Which is Better? Elac Navis ARB-51 vs. Focal Shape 65 (Take 2, Ep:10)

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  • Опубликовано: 27 окт 2024

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  • @spellsofyoruba3020
    @spellsofyoruba3020 3 месяца назад

    Thank you for this review its clear simple and informative.

  • @ohnonate
    @ohnonate 3 года назад +2

    Love these Speakers. Best hifi purchase i have ever made.

  • @themastroiannis
    @themastroiannis 4 года назад +3

    cool review...even if they are very different speakers. the focals are really meant for mixing and mastering. i certainly appreciate your insight and so refreshing to see you reviewed critical listening monitors. would be very cool if you could offer other comparisons of critical listening monitors: ATC, Genelec, Neumann KH 310, PMC... fascinating! love your channel. you are one passionate audiophile person!!!

    • @entity279
      @entity279 4 года назад +2

      Would also love a Neumann KH 310 review. Interested how they would fare from a standard hifi point of view

    • @SilverStrings25
      @SilverStrings25 4 года назад +2

      Yes a comparison of studio 3-way monitors for audiophile use would be great. Focal Trio6 Trio11 & SM9, Kali in8, Neumann kh310 and kh 410, genelec "the ones" range...

  • @kofitheakan9328
    @kofitheakan9328 4 года назад +1

    Greath review ...Just got my Focals 936 this weekend waiting on my cables inpatienly...Also love that t-shirt

  • @gabriel_8801
    @gabriel_8801 4 года назад +1

    Nice and clear review, thank you a lot Jay.

  • @jm4957
    @jm4957 3 года назад +4

    Have the Navis and love them. They scale really well and are very transparent to the source. The better your dac/preamp the better they sound. Elac Navis absolutely kills it in the midrange. They blew away the LS50 Wireless in that respect with a much bigger sound when I A/B tested them.

    • @ohnonate
      @ohnonate 3 года назад

      Hi JM, just wondering what Dac you are using? Cheers.

    • @jeremyratter3634
      @jeremyratter3634 3 года назад

      @@ohnonate I'm using an LKS MH-DA004.

    • @saylormdx2
      @saylormdx2 3 года назад +1

      Navis has a 3d soundfield that fills my large listening room with crystal clear natural vocals and instruments. The sweet spot is larger than the couch for critical listening, and the phantom center is glued to the screen from all listening positions. I use DAC in Elac DMS, or DAC in Parasound P5, or Chanel Island DAC2, or for Video the DAC in my Sony xbr900h or the one in my Denon x4700

  • @vangelo2252
    @vangelo2252 2 года назад +1

    Have to begrudgingly agree with Jay.
    I been living with my Navis a couple of months now. They are absolutely brilliant and can throw all the hifi superlatives at them......yet, they bore me with extended listening. This is in a hifi environment, by the way, not studio.
    Watching this review piqued my interest in the Focals. I studied what other reviewers had to say about them. All very positive, and eventually went for the 50's which allegedly had a better mid range than the 65's reviewed here. I was not interested in the decreased bass response as was running with subs.
    Out of the box, the imaging was superb and easily matched the Navis. They felt quite tight and constrained, but started to open up after a couple of hours. Now they have 75 hours, and I can compare with Navis.
    Not sure what it is. When I change back to Navis I think they are superb, but this wears off quickly & long to get back to the Shapes.
    I have noticed on Techno material, the Shapes keep it together better, and I think this has to do with the Passive Radiators vs Open Port. They seem to have more control, whereas the port adds a certain amount of bloat (4' from rear wall) which obstructs the mids giving a slightly veiled presentation to the Navis. This is with max HPF applied to both and subs running.
    I thought the midrange would excel with the Navis, being a separate driver, but the Shapes keep up with no issue. I agree with all the other observations Jay has portrayed and add the 50's match the Navis in Midrange. So if you sum it all up, it appears the Shape 50 could be a serious contender, especially coming in at half the price!
    Note, this is my personal observation, and your mileage may vary.

  • @riefnezsketo3365
    @riefnezsketo3365 4 года назад +5

    one is a studio monitor designed for near field, the other a hi-fi active speaker

    • @soundstagenetwork
      @soundstagenetwork  4 года назад +1

      We encourage you to watch the reviews. Yes, the Focal is designed for nearfield, but in Jay's Shape 65 review he explains how it excels at both nearfield and traditional.

    • @riefnezsketo3365
      @riefnezsketo3365 4 года назад +1

      @@soundstagenetwork I did. It wasn't an attacking comment although I admit it might have sounded like one. I was referring mainly to the more analytical and nearfiled oriented sound of a pro studio monitor as it is expected to highlight and help editing rather than enjoyment. cheers

    • @Tephnos
      @Tephnos 4 года назад +3

      @@riefnezsketo3365 While true, it appears the Shapes still retain the focal 'house sound', which is a fairly smooth one that is pretty nice for casual listening as well.

    • @Leo-yn5fx
      @Leo-yn5fx 3 года назад +1

      @@riefnezsketo3365 Doesn't matter the focal's are one of the few that can be used for casual listening. I own them.

  • @bartvanransbeeck1341
    @bartvanransbeeck1341 4 года назад

    Allways happy to see the reviews, great job dear

  • @johnnyb529
    @johnnyb529 Год назад

    How would I connect the two Focal Shape 65 to a TV that only has optical digital audio out or H/P out, without spending hundreds of dollars?

  • @Leo-yn5fx
    @Leo-yn5fx 3 года назад +2

    Get you a denafrips aries II and a burson soloist amp with these focals and you get a warmer sound which spanks the elac navis into oblivion...omg the coloration on these is beautiful!

    • @danielzmau8015
      @danielzmau8015 3 года назад

      I've got a Denafrips Venus II with the Soloist 3XP and they are simply magic together with Shape 65. Looking at upgrading to Trio 11be in the near future.

    • @Sonic-Boom
      @Sonic-Boom 2 года назад

      I've been using a Benchmark DAC1 HDR (USB to PC) with my Shape 65 monitors. Would be interesting to try some other dacs though.

  • @roll-man
    @roll-man 4 года назад +9

    Wondering how you think the Acoustic Energy AE-1 Active would would fare in this situation?

    • @valkyrieorion7200
      @valkyrieorion7200 3 года назад

      Hoping we see a Take 2 review of the AE-1 now that they have been reviewed

    • @vangelo2252
      @vangelo2252 2 года назад +1

      I have the AE1's, Navis & Shape 50. 50's are clear winner (see my comment). AE1 suffer from bloat.

  • @tradehut2782
    @tradehut2782 3 года назад +2

    So the shape is better in pretty much everything

  • @nemanjaand
    @nemanjaand 2 года назад +1

    You should test Focal Solo 6 Be - the best-kept audiophile secret!

  • @kunsliu
    @kunsliu 2 года назад

    plz, compare the both with the dynaudio lyd series.

  • @donaldghazi2392
    @donaldghazi2392 4 года назад +1

    Can you do Focal Shape 40 and Adam A3X, please?

  • @aaaaaaaaaa657
    @aaaaaaaaaa657 4 года назад

    Could you compare the Shape to the KEF LS50 Wireless, specifically in terms of clarity ? Also Focal Shape Twin is an interesting one, reviews say it has a little less lower end but more clarity than the Shape 65, but measurements show its only worse than Shape 65, I mean its less flat and drops faster in the lower end.

  • @linkeddevices
    @linkeddevices 4 года назад

    the bend in the wood is where it shouldn't be... I really wish they had placed it as a C shape on the sides.

  • @alejandrolever1158
    @alejandrolever1158 2 года назад

    Reviews of jbl 4305p vs reviews of focal shape 65 active speakers

  • @mrtwo6438
    @mrtwo6438 3 года назад

    What about room filling with shape 65?

  • @photorolensoman8101
    @photorolensoman8101 3 года назад

    Please review Elac BS312 speakers!

  • @Unker_Spunkanathan
    @Unker_Spunkanathan 4 года назад

    Just noticed it's a different channel. Doppelganger?

  • @AndrewBell
    @AndrewBell 6 месяцев назад

    Focals are deafeningly bright

  • @ronedwards8239
    @ronedwards8239 Год назад

    I will not buy rear ported speakers, especially as monitors.

  • @r423sdex
    @r423sdex 4 года назад

    Opinions !!!!

  • @scottlowell493
    @scottlowell493 2 года назад

    None of he elac lines I have heard have a great treble. Too polite. Polite to me= soft and inaccurate.,