yeah when you first start making videos, and don't plan it very well, you make mistakes. You will see our new content soon, we do much more descriptive non interrupted explinations.
Heat differentiation seems to be the fluid dynamics in play here. Just like electricity moving from positive to negative or high pressure to low pressure. The heat or steam moves toward the cold. In a vacuum what can slow it down? The turbine is placed between the two tanks; one hot and the other cold. The turbine takes in the heat and turns it into motive force like a hurricane or tornado, the more heat it takes in the faster it spins. The faster it spins the colder the air becomes. In a perfect vacuum (no leaks) all the heat would be extracted eventually until the system stops working or equalizes to the same temperature as the cold side. Just add heat to start it up again or maintain a constant heat differentiation and keep it going as long as you like. Brilliant!
Actually Tesla, in his writings, talks about applying his turbine to the thermodynamics created in a cryophorus system: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryophorus Interestingly the first steam engines work on an implosion (cooling steam) principle en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newcomen_atmospheric_engine en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watt_steam_engine
Incredible.. you guys rock. I'm turbotaj I'm in SLC UT. The new concept of a tesla turbine and high-speed gas/mechanical viscous fluid coupling .. vs the classic turbocharger that's an air-forcer.. it's beyond mind-blowing that it's so simple AND brilliant AND information that has always been out there, even though we've been taught there's nothing developed around old tesla patents and or conspiracy that anyone trying to develop gets killed/silenced.. No, the key is truth and honesty and full disclosure for the betterment of humanity. Bravo, my brothers! Can't wait to hear more / want to change the world!
Not quite a perfect vacuum but in Nikola Tesla's vacuum pump patent, he explains how it's possible to achieve 29 inches mercury at extremely high volumes. In the future we want to show how we can get rid of the condenser and replace it with this device. I believe snow will come out the exhaust! Any water source becomes a power source, even ice could provide some power.
@@iEnergySupply Have you ever looked at a vacuum table? 29in is not high in the world of vacuum. That is still 3% atmosphere. High vacuum starts around 29.999 and that is the most difficult part. That Vacuum pump you have gets right below the high vacuum threshold with fresh oil. Where the tesla pump becomes interesting is when you use it as a vacuum pump. Your system will not produce much energy in the grand scheme of things. 1000W means nothing without a unit of time. Go learn the science before trying to invent something.
@@excitedbox5705 29" is a lot when you consider the enormous volumes it is capable of. The pump on the turbine is for removing vapor pressure so that the water doesn't have restrictions to boiling. With a powerful enough pump you can even use cold water to make the action take place. I've learned more about thermodynamics doing what I've been doing then some learn in a lifetime.
@@excitedbox5705 pretty sure with the right application it achieves some excellent power density at scale...while reducing equivalent mechanical mass. look into the current materials set and realize the potential. the only thing i question here is dynamic load oscillation vs c/force. if that is managed you could see serious electron movement.
This project appears to have many similarities with Viktor Schauberger’s approach, at least generally-the 4C temperature, vacuum, combination of centripetal and centrifugal, extracting ambient temperature differences. The supersonic nitrogen burning version of this Tesla setup makes me think of his home power generator that runs on air (or was it air + water?). Viktor also had ideas for harvesting energy from temperature differences in sea water strata, which also seems akin harvesting energy from air pressure differentials. All this helps me understand Schauberger and Tesla more. Anyway, there really seems to be something here, I congratulate you and Paul and everyone for your hard work. Let me know if you have a use for Schauberger wavy plates.
Thank you! I really need to do some more research on Victor Shauberger's work but I have done some research and both Tesla and Shauberger used the vacuum. It's all about the vacuum. I would be curious to see what would happen if we put his wavy plates inside the Tesla Turbine casein, if that's something you would like to see, we could defiantly use them for that experiment, unless you have any other ideas for them.
@@nikola.tesla.r.and.d.centre very good read. It reminds me of those huge cloud makers. To me I think they are already using this but have hidden it. If you combine HARP and the cloud makers you see this article playing out. It's quite interesting to think that upon looking up you see an operating energy system so vast, so great, yet do simple that we could have already defined the natural ability of survival and low maintenance living. A life where you own your parcel of land and your labor dictates your wealth but not limited to your social status. Basically you are wealthy without struggle. You now have the ability to enjoy the spoils of life. But human labor will always remain a pivotal function of or species we just won't have to toil to the bone. Take creatures of the sea, they spend their life enjoying the freedoms of the wide open range where they hunt for food and build their dwellings but seem to live a life without constant sorrows. What really is the objective of humanity? We have gotten so far of course that unity is now only achieved off suffrage of others. What I'm saying is we refuse to unify unless we are put into a scenario of disaster. Humans have become so distracted by fantasy that we don't even realize reality. They say imagination is what drives us to achieve greatness while this is somewhat true we cannot base reality on fictional works least they become overburdened with superpowers that serve no purpose. Superman is one man, imagine everyone in that roll? Where could we go and what could we achieve.
I think the point here is that you can use energy from a solar hot water system to heat large amounts of water on sunny days and store the energy there instead of using lead acid batteries to store electrical energy, then converting the stored energy from hot water through the turbine to electrical energy.
Precisely! Regardless of how you heat it, the water battery stores heat, which is converted into motive force by the turbine, which turns a generator producing electricity, which powers whatever you want. The genius is boiling the water at lower atmospheric pressure producing cold steam to run the turbine engine for longer periods of time without having to charge it up again by heating it so many times. This, I can see, can have some very practical applications for anyone who knows how to boil water, at any atmospheric pressure, and therefore make power from it. Now let's see it run with a generator hooked up and what kind of torque and watts can be produced. Good job guys!
agreed!ive seen some interesting examples given with chillers using btu batteries and peltier heat exchangers changing heat from your btu batteries to voltage.each unit is quite low wattage so they need to be ganged and it seems you would want to reclaim the waste heat/lack of heat through some type of crossed over isolation circuit going back to your other battery.depending on load, i guess.
That is true, but would be a limited use (of just heating the water with solar), although agreeable a big use case. One can use the system exactly in the way it is shown, with a small, but steady supply of heat. The whole idea about removing the high pressure part of the system when running a turbine is actually amazingly beneficial and creates totally new field for applications. Of course, the power you get out of it will be limited too, and that is to be understood, but if one needs more power, one can just connect several of the generators, these turbines will rotate, in parallel.
Congrats guys! That is a good work! Two points, tough. First you may want to increase the efficiency of your turbine and for such you will need to make your runner ( the disks ) out of metal, the acrylic you are using for the disks just have different electrical properties and the water vapor behaves differently on it. Second, in the way Don Schmidtke has done, loop the output back in the (bottom) thermal storage, in this way you are truly closing the cycle and the only input to the system will be the initial vacuum creation and the heat source.
Thank you, and I agree. We also want to add Tesla valves to the cold steam, it works almost perfect in a vacuum. Also we want to switch to a single disk moving many times the speed of sound to create an electrical conversion of energy, the balancing done with Nikola Tesla's balancing patent. We should be able to convert that high voltage low amperage into low voltage high amperage/usable electricity. I believe with the right grade of tapered aluminum disk it would be easy to balance it to hundreds of thousands of revolutions per minute delivering a super small super powerful turbine that converts electrostatic energy to usable power.
@@iEnergySupply A Tesla valve will be an interesting application here. Would you point to his "balancing patent"?. And a point here, I think, was maybe not well expressed in my comment. When mentioned metal disks and their electrical properties, I had in mind, that water vapor has inherited charge ( all water molecules have ) and these charges will interact (may be "cling to") with metal plates, in addition the metal, as we know, is an excellent heat conductor. These properties are in contrast to the ones acrylic has. So, when the plates are made with metal, the thermodynamics will change, and likely considerably, in addition the electric interaction between the water molecules and the disks will change too. In my understanding the complexity of the dynamics of the fluid between the plates is extremely high and in my opinion it is totally not understood.
@@EfficientEnergyTransformations I forgot to add link to balancing patent, here it is teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/patents/british-patent-186799-process-and-apparatus-balancing-rotating-machine-parts
@@iEnergySupply i would venture your centrifugal force would become a serious issue at those rates, but i think you might be able to achieve a stepped series...perhaps even superconductive with the right mixture.
Cannot belive what im seeing, just don't have words to describe what im feeling. I been looking for people on internet who makes goods experiments, you are one. I really like Nikola Tesla Inventions and his History, you are one of them who are taking those inventions from past to future, amazing work, i hope they reclute you!..
The processes in the Tesla Turbine are a condensed turbine version of the closed cycle stream engine for ships going back to the late 1820'sand early 1930' for ships
I'm just adding a suggestion here. It looks like you have a huge amount of condensate which is a normal reaction of steam cooling. A condensate pump is an option, which I wouldn't recommend for the sake of maintaining a vacuum. Is it possible to have the inlet in the top, and the exhaust on the bottom so you could have a cold water return and exhaust all in one pipe? All your condensed water would go right out to your cold tank with your exhaust.
Sorry. Just an over educated plumber. Confucius say "if you do what you love, you will not work a day in your life." I love what you've done so far. Great job. One more bit of speaking out loud, not advice. Spherical or globular objects have a lot more strength than cubical. Say maybe a spherical center with conical inlet and outlet. I'm just talking to myself. www.tntenterprizesllc.com I'm not advertising. If you ever want to get ahold of me, that's my company email. Again, love it. Keep up the great work!
Thank you for the question. I sucked out the atmosphere, lowered the pressure in the cambers. I'll explain more in the future, but for now i'll say, it's all about the vacuum.
Old school way to make a vacuum make supper heated steam fill a robust vessel capable of withstanding about 1000 pounds of external pressure and then cool it off. Encasing a propane tank in thick enough concrete should do the trick for structure and vacuum integrity.
If you had a tower or big tree/s or cliff 40 feet of height you could use two tanks one at the top one at the bottom some valves and degassed water with gravity to get 30 inches of mercury vacuum in the top tank.
@@blainevans4782 So how much do they cost to buy and operate and what does it take to maintain them? I can in a 3rd world nation get my version done with scrap and keep it running forever with a pocket lint budget can you say the same for a screw pump?
If you had a tower or big tree/s or cliff 40 feet of height you could use two tanks one at the top one at the bottom some valves and degassed Cold water with gravity to get 30 inches of mercury vacuum in the top tank.
You know I"ve thought about that, but I believe there isn't any better cooler then Nikola Tesla's high vacuua patent. It creates extremely high vacuum at extremely high volumes. I believe the vacuum can evacuate the heat with the assistance of water better then anything else. We can totally get rid of the condenser and replace it with a Tesla pump/high vacuua.
OK, that's pretty damn neat. How much usable work are you able to extract from the turbine, though? As I understand it, you're running with no load, so all you're running against is the rotating friction of the turbine itself.
We have a generator on our new turbine and will be doing watt tests, I discovered it's all about the inlet size and right now it's to small to produce a reasonable amount of power at 175 degrees f. Right now we are testing with a minute amount of compressed air and steam with great results. Publishing soon.
absolutely, see our newest video. Remember thought, our latest video has a boiler that is much too small for a practical situation. Ill be adding more details soon.
BRAVO! and what if you position it horizontally to Earth's surface, with the exhausts downward, you shall get the corriolis vortex forse ti add inlimitlly to your favorite? May be overunity?
once you put a load on the turbine things will change drastically. I was thinking about this when i saw one of you earlier videos; you'd have to cycle the vaccuum pump every so often to maintain the system. How long does the turbine run, on load, while venting "steam" into the turbine chamber with no exhaust? it would be simpler to have a second chamber under vaccuum to evacuate the turbine chamber pressure at a set amount. then, pump the second chamber empty again. Then calculate how much power is used to maintain chamber 2 under vaccuum compared to how much is generated overall. Very Good Experiment!!! I'm curious how there is 0 pressure at the steam source. i'm sure if the gauge was mounted to the tank it would give you more information.
It's actually about 14.7 psi when that particular meter reads 0 psi. This is the same condition as a air compressor reading 0 psi. zero psi reading on air compressor is actually atmospheric pressure. You need gauges that read negative pressure to see what the pressure is when it's below atmospheric. My main point was just to show that it's at or below atmospheric pressure to show how safe it can be when perfected, 0 chance of boiler explosion.
Absolutely, instead of throwing out all that heat, you could put it to work adding power to you're engine. We usually throw out 80% of our power in the form of heat out the radiator. Good thought!
@@cleisonarmandomanriqueagui9176 depends on what type of meter you use. there are gauges that measure vacuum compared to atmospheric pressure, however you want to look at it it's negative compared to atmospheric.
@@cleisonarmandomanriqueagui9176 It appears that way because we're used to a certain atmospheric pressure and think of it as neutral, but it's actually just less pressure.
I can't wait to tell investors "ladies and gentlemen, this motor pushes my sailboat, lights up my home, cools it in the summer and heats it in the winter, makes the cleanest drinking water already ice cold, it chops, slices, dices, grinds my coffee, hoists my sails, trims my sheets and even walks my dog folks...all on the power of the sun and the sea!"
Yes it's the two stage turbine but I don't know if two stages are needed in this setup the way I have it. It should be inline with the first stage, just to make construction more practical.
This is nice. So your exploring the implications of waters triple point under vacuum. Now the tesla turbine works on the principle of the boundary layer. So then, this must be at the core of the process, establishing the optimum boundary layer environment for this under vacuum is a science principal as yet unexplored. Optimising the boundary layer outcomes for this device is very important. It is necessary that the fluid dynamics achieve laminar flow within the turbine so RPM's in excess of 50000 are still necessary but may be lower. None the less this is precisely where the tesla turbine can shine, but bare in mind that the boundary layer is at the heart of the tesla turbine. Regardless of the atmospheric environment within which the turbine functions it must achieve maximal boundary layer effects to achieve optimal torque. The torque of the turbine must be the purpose of this.
Yeah, high speed low torque, is kind of like high voltage low amps. I only need about 15 amps at 700v to be happy, but I think ill get more like 4 amps at 700v 150000 rpm with low pressure cold steam. I'm not sure how it will behave at such high speeds in the vacuum chamber system, but we will see.
I hope these guys crack a few text books since this. Their science is way way off. The vacuum is making the water BOIL inside the tank and that causes gas and steam to expand. When gas expands it gets colder. So yes it is working on vacuum and heat difference, but no more than a regular steam engine. You might get slightly more efficiency due to lower resistance in the system but you are most likely loosing more than this in pumping down the vacuum. A gravity based vacuum pump using the height difference of the water would be better. A long tube with a plunger weighted down by 14lb of water above the plunger can pull a vacuum as the plunger is pushed down. You just need a big enough and long enough tube.
you don't loose vacuum if you don't have leaks. And the system will run continuous as long as you pump the water from the cold side to be re-warmed after it's use, this can be done without loosing the vacuum.
I'm not familiar with any of this but the turbine. Let me see if I understand whats going on: The hot tank is at atmospheric pressure The cold tank is essentially a vacuum Does the cold tank feed back into the hot tank, and how does it with less pressure?
@@iEnergySupply maybe you can reverse it when the cold tank gets full, although I guess they'd come to equilibrium, so you'd still need to pump it back
@@fryncyaryorvjink2140 Absolutely, and that could store the energy, if you fed compressed air from the pump into two tanks one would become ice and one would be very hot. The energy would be easy to extract afterward so it would be like a huge battery.
i'd try one of these. www.amazon.com/Flowmeter-LZQ-7-1-10LPM-Control-Oxygen/dp/B07DNW6JHX/ref=asc_df_B07DNW6JHX/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=477524825707&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=9446884538344218964&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9061143&hvtargid=pla-893390717888&psc=1
What if you build a new larger box and place the original version inside of it and fill the void between the two with water? Even if it leaks a bit you can gravity feed the space between the two with more water to slow down any leakage. Thanks for sharing this with us. How can you capture the energy produced by the turbine efficiently?
Well the good news is it won't leak with a proper enclosure. At the moment we are building the enclosure into the turbine. The turbine casein will be the enclosure. We will be adding a couple Newman generators one to each side of the turbine, and it will be sealed up. We also want to build a metal turbine to reach supersonic speeds, we must dynamically balance the turbine perfectly for this to be efficient. We hope to use Nikola Tesla's balancing patent. We also have a way to efficiently transform the torque from high to low with an electrical transformation.
@@iEnergySupply well either way good work. We need to chat privately as I too am working on a project and would love to share a small portion of it with you. Can't share all or publicly because it's under wraps but you might be able to answer some questions that have perplexed me for some time now. Let me know if you are interested and have the time.
@@jvon3885 Yes I'm interested! I have so many people to contact and chat with though I don't really have the time to get to them all, but if you were to join our patreon, I get to all of the comments and private messages, we could discuss further there.
what if you used pex lines buried in a well to act as the condenser? use the earth as a heat sink during the day, and a heater to drive the turbine at night
@@iEnergySupply im working on building a model to see what kind of head pressure an enclosed thermosiphon loop can produce, as I was going to use gravity driven pelton wheels, but cold steam tesla turbines are really drawing me in. i love these little things
That is how the combustion version will work, the output of the pump will compress fuel that will be ignited and sent through the turbine. Like a jet engine but way simpler and way more powerful and efficient. In this case you would still want another pump on your turbine out though.
Ok, so if you need a vacuum pump for your system to be practical, what about low pressure environments, specifically very high altitude and/or extraterrestrial environments, like Mars? To live on Mars, you are going to need to vent gasses, so you might as well get 'paid' to do it.
In the Ideal situation it should freeze, the temperature depends on the efficiency of your turbine and you're nozzle. The more efficient they are and the lower the pressure in the exhaust space the colder the temperature of your're exhaust will be.
I believe so, technically it should make snow, although I am not sure if it will be cold water or snow from warm water. Once we replace the condenser tank with a Tesla pump moving at sufficient velocities.
@@nikola.tesla.r.and.d.centre its funny, but this could be a totally closed loop steam punk air conditioner...the hotter outside the better it would work. using a thermal/STEG type roof radiator would make it highly efficient. just got to deal with that pesky cold water return
Hello, just an everyday guy here. So is this basically and empty tank that has been vacuumed then heated on the input and the output goes out to another vacuumed tank that sits in the cold. just curious. thanks
I suspect that the tesla turbine may function better under this regime, as I suspect that the boundary layer can be achieved at a lower rpm but I also suspect that the the tolerances between the plates needs to be reduced under a reduced pressure. You guys seem quite intelligent but bare in mind that relativistic analysis must be maintained.
Í´m very excited about ur work - congrats and good luck for the future. There is one thing I don´t understand - because it all works with vacuum - there can only be a pressure-difference of 1 bar max .... in this point it is comparable with the very first steam engine - the Newcomen steam engine or the very popular model-building "flame-licker-engine" .... but they have all a miserable efficancy due to the lack of higher pressure ... When u wanna build a kW Tesla-turbine in vacuum/ cold steam ... it must be a very, veerry large one ... or where should the energy come frome?? I´m confused 🥴
It's all about speed, and vacuum Tesla got his turbines to move over 751 mph. 1 bar at 751 MPH is extremely powerful. Imagine a 14.5 lb weight moving at 751 mph, that's a ton of force. The speed makes the turbine more powerful for it's size. Also it can extract a much higher range of heat from the steam. Usually the latent heat/energy can't be extracted with conventional turbines and regular piston engines. So even if your pressure is low, you can extract much more energy as long as your speed is high enough and you have a generator capable of generating electricity efficiently at those speeds, and that our generator does perfectly.
Natural gas combined cycle power plants are allegedly 60% efficient. If your turbine can beat that you could have a business angle and possible large investment avenues.
1:10 I dont want to be rude, but I get an impression of that you are a little misleaded by the different pressure scales. In reality, there is no thing such as negative pressure, it is only regarded to a relative pressure. In most cases relative to the atmospheric pressure we are living in. Say, if you buy a regular compressor, the barometer shows 0 bar if the compressor is empty. But that is only 0 bar relative to our natural pressure. Some scales is used to describe negative pressure in vacuum gauges, but that is only like a habit or term. Like the question: how many people are there.. Should you count with your self, or just the other people. In reality, there is only one kind of zero pressure. And that is zero pressure. Just nothing. No molecules and no charge. No energy at all. This is absolute zero. And from here, you can use whatever scale you want to describe what to come. But without a relative pressure, nothing is going to happen. So if we "lived in absolute nothing" and started to say, release molecules in to a controlled area, we would build up a pressure in the bottom. When we reached 1 atmosphere, it would be like where we live in the nature, on the bottom of a floating ocean of air. And when your compressor reaches its normal 8 bar auto-stop swich, in reality it is more like 9 bar inside it. If we measure pounds pr sq. inch or kilogram pr sq. meter we are only calkulating the potential of the weight of something on a field compared to nothing. If pressure was a building, it would be like a endless scyscraper, with one main floor, and up one stair you would get to the first floor. Lets say the main floor is flooded and under water. Then it would be like how we relate to pressure. So a normal 8 bar compressor running a turbine at sea level is like a waterfall from the 9th floor down to the 1th floor, and when you "pump out the air" from your system, its like you pump out the water from the main floor, and opens a door to outside the building to run your turbine, from the relative pressure of the flood high as the main floor outside. Maximum 1 bar to "nothing". And the boiling point is the amount of energy needed to get watermolecules from a liquid state to a gaseous state, and that is dependent on the number of molecules present, in other words pressure. And the amount of energy is also seen as the temperature. So when the pressure is decreased, there are less molecules at play, and so is the amount of energy. In other words, even though I like your experiments, I think you are kind of going in the wrong way. Like a weightlifter who is searching for the smallest weights to lift. I dont want you to take this wrong, because then I would just waste my time, and that was really not the intention. I think this is really the best way to learn. Both practise and the theory. Btw. another fucked up logic to keep in mind is how color is used to describe temperature in general. Red is Cold and Blue is Hot in both temperature, pressure and energy levels. So this is another stupid factor that fucks up peoples perception regarding how the underlying physics works.
No you are absolutely correct, I just wanted to emphasize A regular gauge reads 0 because it doesn't take the atmospheric pressure into account. Even outer space has pressure. Thank you for your explanation. Ill be more clear in my future videos on the subject, I don't want people to get a inaccurate idea of what is going on.
I'd be interested in hearing what you have to say. This turbine was an old turbine, proof of concept. I needed to test the cryopherous and it was the only turbine at the time for me to test with it. I have the improved turbine that has a generator attached and is sitting on my desk right now. The most important thing right now is to get more funding by selling model turbines to further R&D. I am going to test it with compressed air first as customers will have many different fluids that they wish to test. Then it will be completely sealed to test in the cryopherous.
iEnergySupply Thanks for your answer, I was referring to that, perhaps the vacuum would also serve to extract the hydrogen easier and perhaps the electrolysis is also easier in the vacuum, although there are more efficient methods such as resonance. Great video 👍🏼👋🏼
@@Aaron.A22 I've always wondered the same thing. Although we plan to use high voltage discharges to try and burn the water inside the vacuum. Should be really interesting, hopefully the high voltage plasma follows the boundary layer effect.
@@iEnergySupply while i like the thought process...youre talking about generating cold plasma and that might get tricky...but...HHO gas could be generated this way and then combustive..
Not zero pressure, it's the vapor pressure of water in the hot tank that is powering the system, low overall system effeciency due to energy loss at the condenser
So you know, before we put the turbine in a vacuum chamber, the turbine would take 30 seconds to go from 20000 rpm to 0 rpm, in the vacuum it would spin for over 20 minutes before coming to a stop. That experiment proves the nearly friction-less environment the turbine is in. So as far as efficiency goes, you can subtract air friction from the equation and low friction = high efficiency.
@@nikola.tesla.r.and.d.centre Haven't reached low enough pressure for water to move to it's triple state. If we didn't choke the turbine down, it would have continued to accelerate. At speeds above 20000 rpm the efficiency goes up fast, we need to move to aluminum disks, but we noticed when the speed went up the water started to cool down, which proves it was extracting the energy. The cold tank stayed cold, but some heat did pass the turbine, with a couple minor modifications the heat can't reach the cold tank, just cold or frozen water.
So if you boil water via vacuum, one way valve etc you have self sustaining system via pressure switches to control vacume pump sat on top of tank. Turbine spins generator etc more out than put in!!??
theirs no free energy device...this is not that. but it is super efficient...with other forms you can get way more out of your energy exchange, no unicorn dust here, just thermodynamics
If there is a pressure vacuum.Why wouldn't you run the exhaust directly back to the hot tank. Why have a cooling tank? You want the heat trapped right.
Just posted the video to Facebook.com/perpetualmotor Awesome work. Let me see if I understand. Steam is being created by lowering the boiling point of water by creating a vacuum. The big idea is that the energy needed to create the evacuated environment is much less than is needed to maintain boiling water at standard atmospheric pressure. Does that sound right?
How fast would a tesla turbine run in space should be your title. The problem here is you can't maintain that infinite vacuum that God has so inconveniently placed out of reach. But maybe one day we'll have a space elevator powered by a tesla turbine vented to space. I'm actually confident we will one day. You're a bit a head of your time.
I like how you guys decide to talk when the machinery is going
yeah when you first start making videos, and don't plan it very well, you make mistakes. You will see our new content soon, we do much more descriptive non interrupted explinations.
@@iEnergySupply I think you guys are awesome, I just want to hear you. I look forward to your next video. Please don't stop.
@@jaredhouston4223 wow we have come a long ways from that video hhaha!
Heat differentiation seems to be the fluid dynamics in play here. Just like electricity moving from positive to negative or high pressure to low pressure. The heat or steam moves toward the cold. In a vacuum what can slow it down? The turbine is placed between the two tanks; one hot and the other cold. The turbine takes in the heat and turns it into motive force like a hurricane or tornado, the more heat it takes in the faster it spins. The faster it spins the colder the air becomes. In a perfect vacuum (no leaks) all the heat would be extracted eventually until the system stops working or equalizes to the same temperature as the cold side. Just add heat to start it up again or maintain a constant heat differentiation and keep it going as long as you like. Brilliant!
Actually Tesla, in his writings, talks about applying his turbine to the thermodynamics created in a cryophorus system: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryophorus
Interestingly the first steam engines work on an implosion (cooling steam) principle en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newcomen_atmospheric_engine en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watt_steam_engine
Blown away!!! Amazing
really exciting now.. can't wait!
sucked away pal
Incredible.. you guys rock. I'm turbotaj I'm in SLC UT. The new concept of a tesla turbine and high-speed gas/mechanical viscous fluid coupling .. vs the classic turbocharger that's an air-forcer.. it's beyond mind-blowing that it's so simple AND brilliant AND information that has always been out there, even though we've been taught there's nothing developed around old tesla patents and or conspiracy that anyone trying to develop gets killed/silenced.. No, the key is truth and honesty and full disclosure for the betterment of humanity. Bravo, my brothers! Can't wait to hear more / want to change the world!
It's comments like this that keep me going! Thank you!
Keep it up, this has been a fun experience watching your progression!
Thank you for following all this time! Propulsion next!
@@nikola.tesla.r.and.d.centre I agree. I have a design that will run with a full toroidal vortex that will suck the craft through the air!
the best video of youtube ever !
Thanks :)
i didnt know it was possible to get a perfect vacuum on those little pumps youre a genus
Not quite a perfect vacuum but in Nikola Tesla's vacuum pump patent, he explains how it's possible to achieve 29 inches mercury at extremely high volumes. In the future we want to show how we can get rid of the condenser and replace it with this device. I believe snow will come out the exhaust! Any water source becomes a power source, even ice could provide some power.
@@iEnergySupply Have you ever looked at a vacuum table? 29in is not high in the world of vacuum. That is still 3% atmosphere. High vacuum starts around 29.999 and that is the most difficult part. That Vacuum pump you have gets right below the high vacuum threshold with fresh oil. Where the tesla pump becomes interesting is when you use it as a vacuum pump.
Your system will not produce much energy in the grand scheme of things. 1000W means nothing without a unit of time. Go learn the science before trying to invent something.
@@excitedbox5705 29" is a lot when you consider the enormous volumes it is capable of. The pump on the turbine is for removing vapor pressure so that the water doesn't have restrictions to boiling. With a powerful enough pump you can even use cold water to make the action take place. I've learned more about thermodynamics doing what I've been doing then some learn in a lifetime.
@@excitedbox5705 pretty sure with the right application it achieves some excellent power density at scale...while reducing equivalent mechanical mass. look into the current materials set and realize the potential. the only thing i question here is dynamic load oscillation vs c/force. if that is managed you could see serious electron movement.
This project appears to have many similarities with Viktor Schauberger’s approach, at least generally-the 4C temperature, vacuum, combination of centripetal and centrifugal, extracting ambient temperature differences. The supersonic nitrogen burning version of this Tesla setup makes me think of his home power generator that runs on air (or was it air + water?). Viktor also had ideas for harvesting energy from temperature differences in sea water strata, which also seems akin harvesting energy from air pressure differentials. All this helps me understand Schauberger and Tesla more. Anyway, there really seems to be something here, I congratulate you and Paul and everyone for your hard work. Let me know if you have a use for Schauberger wavy plates.
Thank you!
I really need to do some more research on Victor Shauberger's work but I have done some research and both Tesla and Shauberger used the vacuum. It's all about the vacuum. I would be curious to see what would happen if we put his wavy plates inside the Tesla Turbine casein, if that's something you would like to see, we could defiantly use them for that experiment, unless you have any other ideas for them.
@@nikola.tesla.r.and.d.centre OMG Im three paragraphs in and totally mind blown.
@@nikola.tesla.r.and.d.centre very good read. It reminds me of those huge cloud makers. To me I think they are already using this but have hidden it. If you combine HARP and the cloud makers you see this article playing out. It's quite interesting to think that upon looking up you see an operating energy system so vast, so great, yet do simple that we could have already defined the natural ability of survival and low maintenance living. A life where you own your parcel of land and your labor dictates your wealth but not limited to your social status. Basically you are wealthy without struggle. You now have the ability to enjoy the spoils of life. But human labor will always remain a pivotal function of or species we just won't have to toil to the bone. Take creatures of the sea, they spend their life enjoying the freedoms of the wide open range where they hunt for food and build their dwellings but seem to live a life without constant sorrows. What really is the objective of humanity? We have gotten so far of course that unity is now only achieved off suffrage of others. What I'm saying is we refuse to unify unless we are put into a scenario of disaster. Humans have become so distracted by fantasy that we don't even realize reality. They say imagination is what drives us to achieve greatness while this is somewhat true we cannot base reality on fictional works least they become overburdened with superpowers that serve no purpose. Superman is one man, imagine everyone in that roll? Where could we go and what could we achieve.
Specific link of the video from Viktor?
I think its the steam cooling and condensating on the glass thats "maintaining a vacuum".
the glass and the water.
Best of luck! Awesome job
Thank you!
I think the point here is that you can use energy from a solar hot water system to heat large amounts of water on sunny days and store the energy there instead of using lead acid batteries to store electrical energy, then converting the stored energy from hot water through the turbine to electrical energy.
Precisely! Regardless of how you heat it, the water battery stores heat, which is converted into motive force by the turbine, which turns a generator producing electricity, which powers whatever you want. The genius is boiling the water at lower atmospheric pressure producing cold steam to run the turbine engine for longer periods of time without having to charge it up again by heating it so many times. This, I can see, can have some very practical applications for anyone who knows how to boil water, at any atmospheric pressure, and therefore make power from it. Now let's see it run with a generator hooked up and what kind of torque and watts can be produced. Good job guys!
agreed!ive seen some interesting examples given with chillers using btu batteries and peltier heat exchangers changing heat from your btu batteries to voltage.each unit is quite low wattage so they need to be ganged and it seems you would want to reclaim the waste heat/lack of heat through some type of crossed over isolation circuit going back to your other battery.depending on load, i guess.
That is true, but would be a limited use (of just heating the water with solar), although agreeable a big use case. One can use the system exactly in the way it is shown, with a small, but steady supply of heat. The whole idea about removing the high pressure part of the system when running a turbine is actually amazingly beneficial and creates totally new field for applications. Of course, the power you get out of it will be limited too, and that is to be understood, but if one needs more power, one can just connect several of the generators, these turbines will rotate, in parallel.
Congrats guys! That is a good work! Two points, tough. First you may want to increase the efficiency of your turbine and for such you will need to make your runner ( the disks ) out of metal, the acrylic you are using for the disks just have different electrical properties and the water vapor behaves differently on it. Second, in the way Don Schmidtke has done, loop the output back in the (bottom) thermal storage, in this way you are truly closing the cycle and the only input to the system will be the initial vacuum creation and the heat source.
Thank you, and I agree. We also want to add Tesla valves to the cold steam, it works almost perfect in a vacuum. Also we want to switch to a single disk moving many times the speed of sound to create an electrical conversion of energy, the balancing done with Nikola Tesla's balancing patent. We should be able to convert that high voltage low amperage into low voltage high amperage/usable electricity. I believe with the right grade of tapered aluminum disk it would be easy to balance it to hundreds of thousands of revolutions per minute delivering a super small super powerful turbine that converts electrostatic energy to usable power.
@@iEnergySupply A Tesla valve will be an interesting application here. Would you point to his "balancing patent"?. And a point here, I think, was maybe not well expressed in my comment. When mentioned metal disks and their electrical properties, I had in mind, that water vapor has inherited charge ( all water molecules have ) and these charges will interact (may be "cling to") with metal plates, in addition the metal, as we know, is an excellent heat conductor. These properties are in contrast to the ones acrylic has. So, when the plates are made with metal, the thermodynamics will change, and likely considerably, in addition the electric interaction between the water molecules and the disks will change too. In my understanding the complexity of the dynamics of the fluid between the plates is extremely high and in my opinion it is totally not understood.
@@EfficientEnergyTransformations You got it!
@@EfficientEnergyTransformations I forgot to add link to balancing patent, here it is teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/patents/british-patent-186799-process-and-apparatus-balancing-rotating-machine-parts
@@iEnergySupply i would venture your centrifugal force would become a serious issue at those rates, but i think you might be able to achieve a stepped series...perhaps even superconductive with the right mixture.
I just came across your channel (I subscribed), this is very cool. Keep it up, I can't wait to see updates!
Thank you! Will do!
Cannot belive what im seeing, just don't have words to describe what im feeling. I been looking for people on internet who makes goods experiments, you are one.
I really like Nikola Tesla Inventions and his History, you are one of them who are taking those inventions from past to future, amazing work, i hope they reclute you!..
Thank you!
Nice work. Cheers!
Have a close look at a thermodynamics textbook. Might spark some ideas, as well as help you avoid some dead ends.
Have fun, and good luck!
No dead ends yet. This prototype was at the bottom of the efficiency list compared to what we have coming up soon!
The processes in the Tesla Turbine are a condensed turbine version of the closed cycle stream engine for ships going back to the late 1820'sand early 1930' for ships
Yep it's about time we used it on a commercial scale for the homeowner
set up a hall sensor for readings inside the chamber
We must do that!
This thing can power stuff in outer space
Yes I believe so, in a closed system for sure!
@@iEnergySupply lol space steampunk
Nice
Thanks!
I'm just adding a suggestion here. It looks like you have a huge amount of condensate which is a normal reaction of steam cooling. A condensate pump is an option, which I wouldn't recommend for the sake of maintaining a vacuum. Is it possible to have the inlet in the top, and the exhaust on the bottom so you could have a cold water return and exhaust all in one pipe? All your condensed water would go right out to your cold tank with your exhaust.
Yes that is needed. Thanks for pointing it out. No pump there required though, just the exhaust in the proper location.
Sorry. Just an over educated plumber. Confucius say "if you do what you love, you will not work a day in your life." I love what you've done so far. Great job. One more bit of speaking out loud, not advice. Spherical or globular objects have a lot more strength than cubical. Say maybe a spherical center with conical inlet and outlet. I'm just talking to myself. www.tntenterprizesllc.com I'm not advertising. If you ever want to get ahold of me, that's my company email. Again, love it. Keep up the great work!
What diffrences have you made to the tesla turbine to make it go so fast?
Thank you for the question. I sucked out the atmosphere, lowered the pressure in the cambers. I'll explain more in the future, but for now i'll say, it's all about the vacuum.
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Old school way to make a vacuum make supper heated steam fill a robust vessel capable of withstanding about 1000 pounds of external pressure and then cool it off. Encasing a propane tank in thick enough concrete should do the trick for structure and vacuum integrity.
We have done similar, but 1000 PSI of force is not structurally needed.
@@iEnergySupply Yeah but I tend to want the margins for errors to be bloody big moats it is a bad habit.
IMAGINE ONE PSI!
If you had a tower or big tree/s or cliff 40 feet of height you could use two tanks one at the top one at the bottom some valves and degassed water with gravity to get 30 inches of mercury vacuum in the top tank.
@@Barskor1 you could get the same effect from a mechanical screw vacuum pump
@@blainevans4782 So how much do they cost to buy and operate and what does it take to maintain them? I can in a 3rd world nation get my version done with scrap and keep it running forever with a pocket lint budget can you say the same for a screw pump?
@@blainevans4782 the only problem would be the volume of flow would be very low I would think.
@@iEnergySupply the intent would ultimately be to keep vacuum
How long can you store the heat, say from a solar hot water system? Would you need every day to keep adding heat as it leaks out of the tank?
The length of time you can store the heat, and the efficiency depends on the thickness and r value of the insulation around you're warm tank.
If you had a tower or big tree/s or cliff 40 feet of height you could use two tanks one at the top one at the bottom some valves and degassed Cold water with gravity to get 30 inches of mercury vacuum in the top tank.
You are correct, that would make a great vacuum. In-fact we are going to be trying this soon. The siphon, precisely.
could a Peltier cooler set up on the inside powered by the spin help?
You know I"ve thought about that, but I believe there isn't any better cooler then Nikola Tesla's high vacuua patent. It creates extremely high vacuum at extremely high volumes. I believe the vacuum can evacuate the heat with the assistance of water better then anything else. We can totally get rid of the condenser and replace it with a Tesla pump/high vacuua.
@@iEnergySupply if you placed the hot and cold tanks adjacent to one another...power gen would be a nice add
It looks like the needle is on the other side of the pin on the pressure gage at 0 and is actually maxed out to like 90 plus pressure.
it's not though
The new trend of cold steampunk is gonna happen!
Here we go!
OK, that's pretty damn neat. How much usable work are you able to extract from the turbine, though? As I understand it, you're running with no load, so all you're running against is the rotating friction of the turbine itself.
We have a generator on our new turbine and will be doing watt tests, I discovered it's all about the inlet size and right now it's to small to produce a reasonable amount of power at 175 degrees f. Right now we are testing with a minute amount of compressed air and steam with great results. Publishing soon.
Is it possible to acquire a set up like this where I provide my own boiler tanks and plumbing?
absolutely, see our newest video. Remember thought, our latest video has a boiler that is much too small for a practical situation. Ill be adding more details soon.
I guess lack of pressure isn't really an issue. I was just wondering how small and light weight can this system be condensed to...
i see what you did there!neat!how is it running?inertia?
Wow, cooler than I thought!swidt?
@@nikola.tesla.r.and.d.centre too bad we didn't live on Jupiter the atmospheric pressure is a lot better there...
BRAVO! and what if you position it horizontally to Earth's surface, with the exhausts downward, you shall get the corriolis vortex forse ti add inlimitlly to your favorite? May be overunity?
Time will tell.
once you put a load on the turbine things will change drastically. I was thinking about this when i saw one of you earlier videos; you'd have to cycle the vaccuum pump every so often to maintain the system. How long does the turbine run, on load, while venting "steam" into the turbine chamber with no exhaust? it would be simpler to have a second chamber under vaccuum to evacuate the turbine chamber pressure at a set amount. then, pump the second chamber empty again. Then calculate how much power is used to maintain chamber 2 under vaccuum compared to how much is generated overall. Very Good Experiment!!!
I'm curious how there is 0 pressure at the steam source. i'm sure if the gauge was mounted to the tank it would give you more information.
It's actually about 14.7 psi when that particular meter reads 0 psi. This is the same condition as a air compressor reading 0 psi. zero psi reading on air compressor is actually atmospheric pressure. You need gauges that read negative pressure to see what the pressure is when it's below atmospheric. My main point was just to show that it's at or below atmospheric pressure to show how safe it can be when perfected, 0 chance of boiler explosion.
Got it. Good idea.
Have you thought of using the Tesla Turbine as a radiator in a hybrid car? The power take off would charge the batteries.
Absolutely, instead of throwing out all that heat, you could put it to work adding power to you're engine. We usually throw out 80% of our power in the form of heat out the radiator. Good thought!
There's no thing as negative pressure.
You're dealing with atmospheric pressure minus the remaining pressure on the 'sucking' side.
You are correct!
but suction is not equal to negative pressure ?
@@cleisonarmandomanriqueagui9176 depends on what type of meter you use. there are gauges that measure vacuum compared to atmospheric pressure, however you want to look at it it's negative compared to atmospheric.
@@cleisonarmandomanriqueagui9176 It appears that way because we're used to a certain atmospheric pressure and think of it as neutral, but it's actually just less pressure.
I can't wait to tell investors "ladies and gentlemen, this motor pushes my sailboat, lights up my home, cools it in the summer and heats it in the winter, makes the cleanest drinking water already ice cold, it chops, slices, dices, grinds my coffee, hoists my sails, trims my sheets and even walks my dog folks...all on the power of the sun and the sea!"
That's my dream! Ill never stop!
Is this the two stage Tesla turbine?
Yes it's the two stage turbine but I don't know if two stages are needed in this setup the way I have it. It should be inline with the first stage, just to make construction more practical.
This is nice. So your exploring the implications of waters triple point under vacuum. Now the tesla turbine works on the principle of the boundary layer. So then, this must be at the core of the process, establishing the optimum boundary layer environment for this under vacuum is a science principal as yet unexplored. Optimising the boundary layer outcomes for this device is very important. It is necessary that the fluid dynamics achieve laminar flow within the turbine so RPM's in excess of 50000 are still necessary but may be lower. None the less this is precisely where the tesla turbine can shine, but bare in mind that the boundary layer is at the heart of the tesla turbine. Regardless of the atmospheric environment within which the turbine functions it must achieve maximal boundary layer effects to achieve optimal torque. The torque of the turbine must be the purpose of this.
Yeah, high speed low torque, is kind of like high voltage low amps. I only need about 15 amps at 700v to be happy, but I think ill get more like 4 amps at 700v 150000 rpm with low pressure cold steam. I'm not sure how it will behave at such high speeds in the vacuum chamber system, but we will see.
I hope these guys crack a few text books since this. Their science is way way off. The vacuum is making the water BOIL inside the tank and that causes gas and steam to expand. When gas expands it gets colder. So yes it is working on vacuum and heat difference, but no more than a regular steam engine. You might get slightly more efficiency due to lower resistance in the system but you are most likely loosing more than this in pumping down the vacuum. A gravity based vacuum pump using the height difference of the water would be better.
A long tube with a plunger weighted down by 14lb of water above the plunger can pull a vacuum as the plunger is pushed down. You just need a big enough and long enough tube.
you don't loose vacuum if you don't have leaks. And the system will run continuous as long as you pump the water from the cold side to be re-warmed after it's use, this can be done without loosing the vacuum.
I'm not familiar with any of this but the turbine. Let me see if I understand whats going on:
The hot tank is at atmospheric pressure
The cold tank is essentially a vacuum
Does the cold tank feed back into the hot tank, and how does it with less pressure?
Cold tank doesn't feed back into warm tank yet, but in the future it might.
@@iEnergySupply maybe you can reverse it when the cold tank gets full, although I guess they'd come to equilibrium, so you'd still need to pump it back
Makes me think of vortex tubes, blow 90 psi in, and you get 200 C air out of one side and -50 C out of the other
@@fryncyaryorvjink2140 Absolutely, and that could store the energy, if you fed compressed air from the pump into two tanks one would become ice and one would be very hot. The energy would be easy to extract afterward so it would be like a huge battery.
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Why don't you have a flowmeter in the system? Curious what the flow rate is.
I found one for 400 dollars they seem to be really expensive. Ill get one in the future sometime when I have some extra funds, it's a must for r&d.
i'd try one of these. www.amazon.com/Flowmeter-LZQ-7-1-10LPM-Control-Oxygen/dp/B07DNW6JHX/ref=asc_df_B07DNW6JHX/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=477524825707&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=9446884538344218964&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9061143&hvtargid=pla-893390717888&psc=1
Can you show us the condensor AKA?
soon we will have the new system set up.
What if you build a new larger box and place the original version inside of it and fill the void between the two with water? Even if it leaks a bit you can gravity feed the space between the two with more water to slow down any leakage.
Thanks for sharing this with us. How can you capture the energy produced by the turbine efficiently?
Well the good news is it won't leak with a proper enclosure. At the moment we are building the enclosure into the turbine. The turbine casein will be the enclosure.
We will be adding a couple Newman generators one to each side of the turbine, and it will be sealed up. We also want to build a metal turbine to reach supersonic speeds, we must dynamically balance the turbine perfectly for this to be efficient. We hope to use Nikola Tesla's balancing patent.
We also have a way to efficiently transform the torque from high to low with an electrical transformation.
Something you might look into doing is doing voiceovers on your videos. You can always cut to video audio anytime.
Yeah, my latest videos have voice overs. This is my primitive work lol.
@@iEnergySupply well either way good work. We need to chat privately as I too am working on a project and would love to share a small portion of it with you. Can't share all or publicly because it's under wraps but you might be able to answer some questions that have perplexed me for some time now. Let me know if you are interested and have the time.
@@jvon3885 Yes I'm interested! I have so many people to contact and chat with though I don't really have the time to get to them all, but if you were to join our patreon, I get to all of the comments and private messages, we could discuss further there.
@@iEnergySupply indeed. I understand completely.
What is the value of tortque at
Zero psi and how much cost
This turbine ?🌻🌻🌻🌻🌻🌷🌷🌷🌷💞good effort at your end. Congrulation your team
Thanks! Not for sale yet, we are very close to the production model.
"so with the heat of the sun" oh are you also thinking about how to turn a thermosiphon into electricity?
what if you used pex lines buried in a well to act as the condenser? use the earth as a heat sink during the day, and a heater to drive the turbine at night
absolutely, that's exactly what I'm doing.
@@iEnergySupply im working on building a model to see what kind of head pressure an enclosed thermosiphon loop can produce, as I was going to use gravity driven pelton wheels, but cold steam tesla turbines are really drawing me in. i love these little things
What happens if you switch the disks so that the vacuum pump runs first and then outputs to the turbines?
That is how the combustion version will work, the output of the pump will compress fuel that will be ignited and sent through the turbine. Like a jet engine but way simpler and way more powerful and efficient. In this case you would still want another pump on your turbine out though.
Wondering how well this would upscale. Imagine drawing heat out of say nuclear power cooling towers
Tesla said the performance augments with size.
What is the thermal efficiency of the cycle?
We will soon show this with our analytical equipment.
@@iEnergySupply but this is the key part of the cycle.
Ok, so if you need a vacuum pump for your system to be practical, what about low pressure environments, specifically very high altitude and/or extraterrestrial environments, like Mars?
To live on Mars, you are going to need to vent gasses, so you might as well get 'paid' to do it.
Does the water end up frozen in the tank outside? I'm trying to understand whether you could keep it going? Nice work guys :)
In the Ideal situation it should freeze, the temperature depends on the efficiency of your turbine and you're nozzle. The more efficient they are and the lower the pressure in the exhaust space the colder the temperature of your're exhaust will be.
Can this device function as an air conditioner ?
I believe so, technically it should make snow, although I am not sure if it will be cold water or snow from warm water. Once we replace the condenser tank with a Tesla pump moving at sufficient velocities.
@@nikola.tesla.r.and.d.centre its funny, but this could be a totally closed loop steam punk air conditioner...the hotter outside the better it would work. using a thermal/STEG type roof radiator would make it highly efficient. just got to deal with that pesky cold water return
Hello, just an everyday guy here. So is this basically and empty tank that has been vacuumed then heated on the input and the output goes out to another vacuumed tank that sits in the cold. just curious. thanks
I suspect that the tesla turbine may function better under this regime, as I suspect that the boundary layer can be achieved at a lower rpm but I also suspect that the the tolerances between the plates needs to be reduced under a reduced pressure. You guys seem quite intelligent but bare in mind that relativistic analysis must be maintained.
We are waiting on the analytical equipment, it's nearly finished.
WATER STRATIFIES- SO MORE ACCURATE TEMP OF HOT WATER IS NER TOP OF TANK.👍👍👍👍
Have you measured the temperature of the exhaust yet?
I have but its pretty high compared to what it will be with our new testing.
Í´m very excited about ur work - congrats and good luck for the future.
There is one thing I don´t understand - because it all works with vacuum - there can only be a pressure-difference of 1 bar max .... in this point it is comparable with the very first steam engine - the Newcomen steam engine or the very popular model-building "flame-licker-engine" .... but they have all a miserable efficancy due to the lack of higher pressure ...
When u wanna build a kW Tesla-turbine in vacuum/ cold steam ... it must be a very, veerry large one ... or where should the energy come frome?? I´m confused 🥴
It's all about speed, and vacuum Tesla got his turbines to move over 751 mph. 1 bar at 751 MPH is extremely powerful. Imagine a 14.5 lb weight moving at 751 mph, that's a ton of force. The speed makes the turbine more powerful for it's size. Also it can extract a much higher range of heat from the steam. Usually the latent heat/energy can't be extracted with conventional turbines and regular piston engines. So even if your pressure is low, you can extract much more energy as long as your speed is high enough and you have a generator capable of generating electricity efficiently at those speeds, and that our generator does perfectly.
@@iEnergySupply thx for your time and explanation 😀
Natural gas combined cycle power plants are allegedly 60% efficient. If your turbine can beat that you could have a business angle and possible large investment avenues.
What’s the output temperature?
analytical equipment on the way, all the questions will be answered.
1:10 I dont want to be rude, but I get an impression of that you are a little misleaded by the different pressure scales.
In reality, there is no thing such as negative pressure, it is only regarded to a relative pressure.
In most cases relative to the atmospheric pressure we are living in.
Say, if you buy a regular compressor, the barometer shows 0 bar if the compressor is empty. But that is only 0 bar relative to our natural pressure.
Some scales is used to describe negative pressure in vacuum gauges, but that is only like a habit or term.
Like the question: how many people are there.. Should you count with your self, or just the other people.
In reality, there is only one kind of zero pressure. And that is zero pressure. Just nothing. No molecules and no charge. No energy at all. This is absolute zero.
And from here, you can use whatever scale you want to describe what to come. But without a relative pressure, nothing is going to happen.
So if we "lived in absolute nothing" and started to say, release molecules in to a controlled area, we would build up a pressure in the bottom. When we reached 1 atmosphere, it would be like where we live in the nature, on the bottom of a floating ocean of air.
And when your compressor reaches its normal 8 bar auto-stop swich, in reality it is more like 9 bar inside it.
If we measure pounds pr sq. inch or kilogram pr sq. meter we are only calkulating the potential of the weight of something on a field compared to nothing.
If pressure was a building, it would be like a endless scyscraper, with one main floor, and up one stair you would get to the first floor. Lets say the main floor is flooded and under water. Then it would be like how we relate to pressure.
So a normal 8 bar compressor running a turbine at sea level is like a waterfall from the 9th floor down to the 1th floor, and when you "pump out the air" from your system, its like you pump out the water from the main floor, and opens a door to outside the building to run your turbine, from the relative pressure of the flood high as the main floor outside. Maximum 1 bar to "nothing".
And the boiling point is the amount of energy needed to get watermolecules from a liquid state to a gaseous state, and that is dependent on the number of molecules present, in other words pressure. And the amount of energy is also seen as the temperature. So when the pressure is decreased, there are less molecules at play, and so is the amount of energy.
In other words, even though I like your experiments, I think you are kind of going in the wrong way. Like a weightlifter who is searching for the smallest weights to lift.
I dont want you to take this wrong, because then I would just waste my time, and that was really not the intention.
I think this is really the best way to learn. Both practise and the theory.
Btw. another fucked up logic to keep in mind is how color is used to describe temperature in general.
Red is Cold and Blue is Hot in both temperature, pressure and energy levels. So this is another stupid factor that fucks up peoples perception regarding how the underlying physics works.
No you are absolutely correct, I just wanted to emphasize A regular gauge reads 0 because it doesn't take the atmospheric pressure into account. Even outer space has pressure. Thank you for your explanation. Ill be more clear in my future videos on the subject, I don't want people to get a inaccurate idea of what is going on.
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I can help improve this :) I plan on making some other things first but guess what ur noisemaker is pretty important.
I'd be interested in hearing what you have to say.
This turbine was an old turbine, proof of concept. I needed to test the cryopherous and it was the only turbine at the time for me to test with it. I have the improved turbine that has a generator attached and is sitting on my desk right now. The most important thing right now is to get more funding by selling model turbines to further R&D. I am going to test it with compressed air first as customers will have many different fluids that they wish to test. Then it will be completely sealed to test in the cryopherous.
I have a question: what happens to hydrogen if water evaporates? 👋
The hydrogen in the water? Attached to the oxygen?
iEnergySupply
Thanks for your answer, I was referring to that, perhaps the vacuum would also serve to extract the hydrogen easier
and perhaps the electrolysis is also easier in the vacuum,
although there are more efficient methods such as resonance.
Great video 👍🏼👋🏼
@@Aaron.A22 I've always wondered the same thing. Although we plan to use high voltage discharges to try and burn the water inside the vacuum. Should be really interesting, hopefully the high voltage plasma follows the boundary layer effect.
@@iEnergySupply while i like the thought process...youre talking about generating cold plasma and that might get tricky...but...HHO gas could be generated this way and then combustive..
Could you get record low temperatures with this? Like absolute zero?
with the correct gasses yes but there would be some mechanical failures prior to achieving that
I believe so. Well have to see.
agreed.
woot
Thanks for the enthusiasm, will be over an hour video edited down to a good 9 min :)
Not zero pressure, it's the vapor pressure of water in the hot tank that is powering the system, low overall system effeciency due to energy loss at the condenser
So you know, before we put the turbine in a vacuum chamber, the turbine would take 30 seconds to go from 20000 rpm to 0 rpm, in the vacuum it would spin for over 20 minutes before coming to a stop. That experiment proves the nearly friction-less environment the turbine is in. So as far as efficiency goes, you can subtract air friction from the equation and low friction = high efficiency.
0 pressure in that a gauge at atmospheric pressure will read 0. That's what our gauge read, in reality it was 22 inches of mercury.
@@nikola.tesla.r.and.d.centre Haven't reached low enough pressure for water to move to it's triple state. If we didn't choke the turbine down, it would have continued to accelerate. At speeds above 20000 rpm the efficiency goes up fast, we need to move to aluminum disks, but we noticed when the speed went up the water started to cool down, which proves it was extracting the energy. The cold tank stayed cold, but some heat did pass the turbine, with a couple minor modifications the heat can't reach the cold tank, just cold or frozen water.
So if you boil water via vacuum, one way valve etc you have self sustaining system via pressure switches to control vacume pump sat on top of tank. Turbine spins generator etc more out than put in!!??
theirs no free energy device...this is not that. but it is super efficient...with other forms you can get way more out of your energy exchange, no unicorn dust here, just thermodynamics
@@blainevans4782 well said blain
How long does this system run for?
P.s the sound is amazing!!
If there is a pressure vacuum.Why wouldn't you run the exhaust directly back to the hot tank. Why have a cooling tank? You want the heat trapped right.
What if u didn't use water how about a gas?
All liquids become a gas when they boil. I've been looking for something with a boiling point of about 100f
@@iEnergySupply In a vacuum stuff boils at different temperatures like an ac unit on an air-conditioning unit
That's what I was thinking
You think about a oil?
@@jasond4801 yeah I thought so, if you know of a good one, that is non corrosive, please let me know.
Adding captions or a voice over to your videos would make it easier to understand you
Absolutely, I have been so busy though, I didn't have the time to do it.
you've heard of heat pump
now get ready for
heat turbine
Yep! Ill be showing soon!
make it run for a year strait see if the bearings can take it .
They won't, but we have found the solution.
Primer!
Try distilled water :)
What is the significance of distilled water?
Just posted the video to Facebook.com/perpetualmotor
Awesome work. Let me see if I understand. Steam is being created by lowering the boiling point of water by creating a vacuum. The big idea is that the energy needed to create the evacuated environment is much less than is needed to maintain boiling water at standard atmospheric pressure. Does that sound right?
This is possible I believe, we will soon see.
get a thermocoupling
How fast would a tesla turbine run in space should be your title. The problem here is you can't maintain that infinite vacuum that God has so inconveniently placed out of reach. But maybe one day we'll have a space elevator powered by a tesla turbine vented to space. I'm actually confident we will one day. You're a bit a head of your time.
We need someone who speaks English to do the subtitles.
Yeah sorry about that.