[after playing this piece at a freshman piano major audition at a major conservatory] "Very nice. And what else did you bring in to play for us, today?"
I like the original rolls, because almost all performances on MIDI, or MIDI fed back into a player piano, kinda screw up the first two clusters at 0:36, which are supposed to be arpeggiated (check the original score if you can). This was originally written for player piano in 1994 by Hamelin.
I noticed a few rhythmic differences when following along with the score, for example at about 2:16 (12 bars before "The Balancing Act, or Human Pyramid"), the score does not have a brief rest before the chord, but the piano roll (as played here) seems to have one. Are these discrepancies due to physical limitations of a real-world piano with real hammering action?
Hamelin's music is not always something you can understand, but you can't stop smiling listening to it 😊 What is the tempo of this roll ? Quite physical to play ?
This is very advanced classical music and he uses several techniques in composing it from fugue to twelve-tone atonal serialism (and probably beyond). If you search RUclips for the manuscript of this and do a musical analysis you will see how he wrote everything out very precisely in order for the arrangement to be made. It might even make a little more sense as a manuscript because you can see which notes are flatted vs sharped and thus analyze the harmony a little better. But you need in addition to complete tonal harmony training, advanced training in post-tonal music theory from a major music university in order to be able to analyze a lot of this, because it is both tonal and non-tonal. I would not call the vast majority of it “random” however, although the non-tonal parts are confusing to people not accustomed to non tonal music (which is often more about the MATH behind the music than the resulting music itself); most of it is deliberate. However there are numerous musical jokes sprinkled in here and there, with the ending being the most obvious joke.
@PiotrBarcz Actually, the piano is comletely insufficient for reproducing this piece. The sound is mushy and indistinct, and makes hash out of the harmony and counterpoint in the work. It sounds worse than every other recording of the piece I've heard on disc or on RUclips.
Most old pneumatic player piano actions, when well-restored and well-regulated, can repeat the same note as fast as 10 times per second, which is faster than most people can repeat a single note, even using both hands (or multiple fingers on one hand, as classically-trained pianists do), and so is suitable to play nearly all music, including this very complicated music. This is true of both single-valve and double-valve actions. Most average player actions such as this Story and Clark (which is most likely single valve; I’ve never heard of a double valve Story and Clark player action), can repeat about this well when in good regulation, but some actions such as Schulz, and such as the Ampico B stack with its ball bleed valves, are considered slightly superior in repetition capabilities by restorers, due to their design. Both the named types are also praised for their ability to repeat well at very soft dynamic levels as well, since good repetition becomes harder when less suction is available, for most player actions. The piano part of this Story & Clark needs some attention however IMO, particularly in the voicing of the hammers which are typically hard and tinny (probably hard and grooved) as tends to happen over time. If the piano itself were as well tended to as the player action here, this could definitely be a nice sounding piano.
Wonderful! I've been trying to find this roll for such a long time and I haven't found it still for my player piano. Could you please tell me where you bought it. Thank you, I really want to have this roll in my collection!!!
Impressive, but was it period-typical to have player-piano songs that were unplayable by a human? I'm seeing/hearing some three-octave notes that a single left hand cannot play...
Yes, it was indeed. Though some recordings were recorded exactly as they were performed, many others were arranged specifically for player piano. This one, however, takes it to the extreme.
Many rolls were modified by roll editors adding so many notes no human could play. The Gershwin plays Gershwin project I was peripherally involved in in some cases Gershwin AND Gershwin two passes on the same reproducing piano. Hi Kyle! I didn't know you were into mechanical pianos too. [It's what I when not playing with 12-bit machines]
In a well-restored traditional suction-operated player piano, you *should* be able to pump with it in 'play' mode and no roll on the tracker bar, and get all 88 notes to play at once. However of course that's a huge suction drain on the system so it has to be in top shape. However, I know of no roll (even this one) asking the piano to play all 88 notes at once (it would tear!). So, that's more like a stress test, as mentioned, like 'if it can play that, then it can play anything'. Of course, how much it can hold at once is one thing, but REPETITION is another one (how fast and reliably it can repeat notes). I will say this Story & Clark is doing very well compared to a lot of other player pianos I've heard, but of course could use a little more work. For help with the Story & Clark action, there's a page for it on John Tuttle's Player-Care website (I think he also has a reprint of the manual for sale): www.player-care.com/system14.html Also, help is available on the "Player Piano Talk" and "Player Piano Enthusiast" groups on Facebook.
The piano in the video is from the late 1910s or early 1920s (when the majority of 88-note player pianos were made in the USA), so age doesn’t have much to do with it, but how well restored and maintained it is, does.
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HOLY CRAP, this guy plays on piano by the power of thought, I think he will get headaches at night...
his brain power is dead
It is a ghost. That guy is just sitting there.
@@vshah1010 he's controlling the ghost. That's why his head is moving.
btw we all know that this is a joke
Player piano you dolt
he is using force
finally, the first black midi
That piece is from the 90's, so no, not even close
Look up some of the works by Conlon Nancarrow, that is true black midi startings…
i want this to be played as my coffin is lowered into the ground
Amadee meraux
@@fishoutofwater7743 yes it is.
[after playing this piece at a freshman piano major audition at a major conservatory]
"Very nice. And what else did you bring in to play for us, today?"
I don’t think they were unimpressed; it’s more like; they want to make sure you can play more than one tune!
"I can play the same piece at twice the speed if you like?"
I like the original rolls, because almost all performances on MIDI, or MIDI fed back into a player piano, kinda screw up the first two clusters at 0:36, which are supposed to be arpeggiated (check the original score if you can). This was originally written for player piano in 1994 by Hamelin.
But a much better sounding one than this one.
Hands are so fast that I can't even see them!
And this is what happens when the ghost of Liszt is bored and plays your piano
And one of his douze grandes etudes by the way
Yeah
I keep listening to this over and over again. Those parts just get NUTS and I love it.
Recently tuned, and then shortly after re-tuned.
To say this was originally written for two pianos that one has done a remarkably good job of it!
I noticed a few rhythmic differences when following along with the score, for example at about 2:16 (12 bars before "The Balancing Act, or Human Pyramid"), the score does not have a brief rest before the chord, but the piano roll (as played here) seems to have one. Are these discrepancies due to physical limitations of a real-world piano with real hammering action?
Hamelin’s manuscript actually does have a breath mark (looks like an apostrophe) marked before the chord
Hamelin's music is not always something you can understand, but you can't stop smiling listening to it 😊 What is the tempo of this roll ? Quite physical to play ?
This isn't music to me, it's just very complicated noise... but at least this shows the condition of the Story & Clark to be amazing
This is very advanced classical music and he uses several techniques in composing it from fugue to twelve-tone atonal serialism (and probably beyond). If you search RUclips for the manuscript of this and do a musical analysis you will see how he wrote everything out very precisely in order for the arrangement to be made. It might even make a little more sense as a manuscript because you can see which notes are flatted vs sharped and thus analyze the harmony a little better. But you need in addition to complete tonal harmony training, advanced training in post-tonal music theory from a major music university in order to be able to analyze a lot of this, because it is both tonal and non-tonal. I would not call the vast majority of it “random” however, although the non-tonal parts are confusing to people not accustomed to non tonal music (which is often more about the MATH behind the music than the resulting music itself); most of it is deliberate. However there are numerous musical jokes sprinkled in here and there, with the ending being the most obvious joke.
Quarter equals 180
if bach pieces are complex mathematical equations this is general relativity
@PiotrBarcz Actually, the piano is comletely insufficient for reproducing this piece. The sound is mushy and indistinct, and makes hash out of the harmony and counterpoint in the work.
It sounds worse than every other recording of the piece I've heard on disc or on RUclips.
Nice! This piano doesn't have too bad latency!
Latency? of course it doesn't, it's a physical piece of equipment
Most old pneumatic player piano actions, when well-restored and well-regulated, can repeat the same note as fast as 10 times per second, which is faster than most people can repeat a single note, even using both hands (or multiple fingers on one hand, as classically-trained pianists do), and so is suitable to play nearly all music, including this very complicated music.
This is true of both single-valve and double-valve actions.
Most average player actions such as this Story and Clark (which is most likely single valve; I’ve never heard of a double valve Story and Clark player action), can repeat about this well when in good regulation, but some actions such as Schulz, and such as the Ampico B stack with its ball bleed valves, are considered slightly superior in repetition capabilities by restorers, due to their design.
Both the named types are also praised for their ability to repeat well at very soft dynamic levels as well, since good repetition becomes harder when less suction is available, for most player actions.
The piano part of this Story & Clark needs some attention however IMO, particularly in the voicing of the hammers which are typically hard and tinny (probably hard and grooved) as tends to happen over time. If the piano itself were as well tended to as the player action here, this could definitely be a nice sounding piano.
This is the old synthesia!
Wonderful! I've been trying to find this roll for such a long time and I haven't found it still for my player piano. Could you please tell me where you bought it. Thank you, I really want to have this roll in my collection!!!
Me too ! And nothing at QRS...
It's available from Heisigrollen in Germany. Just search to find their website.
Wasn't this song composed specifically for stress-testing player pianos?
It's not a "song", but yes it was indeed composed as a stress test.
Sounds really wacky, i love it xD
Never seen a man playing piano without his hands.
- Is it possible to learn this power?
- Not from a jedi.
Es un piano automático
Coud'nt make it to the end;forgot to breath 😂
Sometimes, less isn't more.
Impressive, but was it period-typical to have player-piano songs that were unplayable by a human? I'm seeing/hearing some three-octave notes that a single left hand cannot play...
Yes, it was indeed. Though some recordings were recorded exactly as they were performed, many others were arranged specifically for player piano. This one, however, takes it to the extreme.
Many rolls were modified by roll editors adding so many notes no human could play. The Gershwin plays Gershwin project I was peripherally involved in in some cases Gershwin AND Gershwin two passes on the same reproducing piano.
Hi Kyle! I didn't know you were into mechanical pianos too. [It's what I when not playing with 12-bit machines]
It's somewhat playable with two people at the piano. Except for the ending of course. lol
So the original version of black MIDI?
this song was composed as a stress test for Midi controlled player pianos.
He’s using the Force.
Vivacissimo!
From 4:14 kinda sounds like gottschalk on acid XD
When your piano forgets its adderall.
큐빅님보고 오신분 손!
저
손
저요
저요
저욤
most human like performance.
Is this Black Midi? :v
Just the way Martha Arggerich would play it if she had 8 hands.
Andrew Rudin
yes xD btw today is her birthday
Advanced dictation class?
Cool
i wonder about this song, why don't they play it by their hands?
Hamelín Is a engineer?
I want this roll... but 90 us dollars plus 50 in shipping is WAY too much for a roll.
Needs more notes!
What would Emperor Joseph II say about Circus Galop?
Too many notes.
nice meme
bienvenidos aaaa (?
jajajaaja
That piano looks massive. How tall is it?
Really really quite tall
Rodney Wayne the guy is sitting down so it looks taller but I’d say 6’ maybe?
I'm guessing it's probably around 56" which is a standard height.
@@andrewbarrett1537 your 56"
I’m actually about 71”, or nearly as tall as a Seeburg G.
I could play that with the toe next to the little toe from my left foot while lying on the stomach, and I would add a little "con fuoco" to the mix.
real life black midi
That piano is not handling that roll very well!
Missed notes EVERYWHERE.
Given the original was for two player pianos it didn't do badly!
@@mrrandomperson3106 Right !
It’s designed to be a stress test for this piano.
In a well-restored traditional suction-operated player piano, you *should* be able to pump with it in 'play' mode and no roll on the tracker bar, and get all 88 notes to play at once.
However of course that's a huge suction drain on the system so it has to be in top shape.
However, I know of no roll (even this one) asking the piano to play all 88 notes at once (it would tear!). So, that's more like a stress test, as mentioned, like 'if it can play that, then it can play anything'.
Of course, how much it can hold at once is one thing, but REPETITION is another one (how fast and reliably it can repeat notes). I will say this Story & Clark is doing very well compared to a lot of other player pianos I've heard, but of course could use a little more work.
For help with the Story & Clark action, there's a page for it on John Tuttle's Player-Care website (I think he also has a reprint of the manual for sale): www.player-care.com/system14.html
Also, help is available on the "Player Piano Talk" and "Player Piano Enthusiast" groups on Facebook.
@@veldkampmotorsports2k205 No, it's not!
Ummm, Bb5 broke its center string.
Cocoptero estuvo aquí
Yo where did you buy the piano roll
Some are available from Heisigrollen in Germany (they've got a website, if I remember correctly)
The beginning is the best part, rest is just keysmash
may the frogs be with you
The original black midi.
Класно
Trying playing this yourself with your own hands that would be impossible all the way through completely I think .
"Look - no hands"
I CAN DO IT
ME TOO
You guys are crazy
@@피자도우-b2k ha
I see the circles
my dads friend has a piano like this but it would break if it played this cause its 50 years old
This piano is most likely even older.
yeah
true i wonder how it is able to play that song when its so old it must be in good condition
Many player pianos or organs are anywhere from 120 to 100 years old, so I'd say with a bit of a tune-up, it'd be just fine.
The piano in the video is from the late 1910s or early 1920s (when the majority of 88-note player pianos were made in the USA), so age doesn’t have much to do with it, but how well restored and maintained it is, does.
LoliloL
Por cierto, está wea suena como música de algún videojuego xD
It delays
Bro must be pedaling pretty hard😂
o my god kkk
Mechanical synthesia. Lol😂😂😂
Well technically Synthesia is an electronic player piano.
Bit frantic even for circus music.
Panickattackemusik
Oh your poor piano. Though, it did a respectable job, as most players wouldn't be able to handle this roll.
Soundtrack to modern populist politics: horror clowns everywhere.
I don't see the musicality in this...
Awful performance.
The ugliest, most unmusical, annoying, piano killing roll of all time
It is actually quite musical, just not for the general audience, only for advanced musicians.
@@octopuszombie8744 I guess I don't appreciate atonal music