Nikola is good naïve loyal kid but this is the point for his manager to wake him up if he wants to have successful carrier Denver Nuggets from this point out are going down. Reality is if he stays with DN he will spend the rest of his carrier to contributing to develop new players so Denver can sell them to championship teams (in other words they will milk Nikola Jokic prime for player development) Nikola give everything to Denver but unlike Spurs or Mavs or Miami or Lakers they didnt support him and he w8sted 3 of 4 years of his prime..So now what after losing KCP this year what real future is there for him on this team..(player development ?)
@@BoskoBanovic people are talking about the loss of KCP like it's some major event, like if they won the championship with him, and can't do it again without him. That's dealing with the fourth or fifth issue by priority and ignoring the most important one, which is that Nuggets need an upgrade of Murray, give Jokic a "Kyrie". Let Murray go.
@@BoskoBanovic sure, and Jokic will milk them for hundreds of millions of dollars. Does he care about the championships that much at all? He seems happy, not chasing basketball legacy but enjoying his other interests more. It's a hard but cushy job for him, a great deal of pressure is taken off from him by not providing him with a fully competent team. Considering that he has the worst no 2 guy, and no all star talent on the roster, he is carrying his team more than anyone else in the league and can do no wrong.
When Denver watched Jokic's video, did they know he would be this kind of player. Denver needs to take a player who knows how to dribble and can make his way to the basket - no matter which position
Holmes looks slightly better. It would be pretty funny though to have Zeke glued to the bench making 9 million, while this new Zeke lookalike comes in and gets all of old Zeke's minutes.
Because they’re nothing alike. Zeke’s not a good basketball player. Holmes is closer to Kelly Olynyk than he is Zeke. Nnaji. We need guys that can dribble, pass, and shoot. Holmes is above average (for a PF/C) in all departments.
On point of the hubris, getting their ass carried to a championship by top-3 all time great and the surrounding pieces (esp Murray and front office), thinking that they are the reason they won...well...
I we get him I hope Denver doesn’t force him into being a stereo typical big let him hoop the way he want that’s best way to let players develop & find out more about them
This is disappointing. Really feels like more homework should have been done prior to this pod. Homles is 236lbs, not 200lbs. Holmes is also a very good basketball player (+dribble, ++pass, ++shoot) that happens to be 6’10”. Comparing him to Zeke Nnaji, who has never been a good basketball player (- -dribble, - -pass, -shoot) is terrible. Anyone looking to this pod for insight on Holmes is walking away with a very skewed perspective. Holmes is the perfect backup center for this team. Like ideal. Better than anyone, outside of Olynyk (the real comp) that I can think of. He’s intelligent enough to facilitate in the Nuggets system (2.6apg), talented enough to go out and get a bucket (20ppg), and versatile enough to slot in next to Jokic when AG sits and Nuggets need a different look, due to his (sneaky) athleticism and high BBIQ. When someone says “this is a terrible draft” I can immediately tell they haven’t looked for themselves and are parroting the national narrative. This I a poor draft for tanking teams (no projectable superstars). This is a great draft for Win now talent. Give me DaRon Holmes II as a backup big, Baylor Scheierman as a secondary ball handler/connective piece, Tristen Newton as a backup guard, Dillon Jones, Ajay Mitchell, and a couple of guys that pulled out of the draft last minute (Trevon Brazille). There’s maybe one guy, due to the cap restraints, that’d be work trading this FRP for and if we were guaranteed Holmes, wouldn’t make that trade. Nick Richards is the only guy we can get that’s young enough and talented enough to send this pick out in, and Holmes is better.
Denver Nuggets should draft Nikola Djurisic with their first / second pick, he is improving fast, maybe he can turn up good, and maybe it will be good for Jokic to have another Serbian guy in team to hang out with.
If the move from the Nuggets is to just restock with more rookies, Calvin Booth is missing the plot. We’ll see what happens. Could the Nuggets get Tyus Jones and Corey Kispert from the Wizards? How about a big swing, how about the Nuggets move on from KCP and make a move at Caruso?
@Sean.Cordes I think reggie stags as he values winning & his role + he's a hometown kid from Denver born & raised. Nobody talks about it but both reggie & jamal were hurt in the playoffs. When healthy, those 2 are my guys. I'm ten toes down with our points guards
They just need to draft Edey.... you would never have to worry about the bench scoring, and the opponent's bench is getting blocked all day. Who cares that he can't shoot 3s... or isn't high endurance... he only needs to play 10 minutes.
Just to give you some numbers, 21-22 AG 11% at C, 22-23 8%, 23-24 10%...so it's all very similar, it's not like 23 he didn't play there at all, and in 24 he played there all the time (21-22 is Murray sitting out year, so it's all weird, AG was only other starter on the roster, on the other hand the had Cousins for the second part of the season)
1st: Basically they (Denver Nuggets) what from Jokic to develop new bunch of players (rookies) so he could win championship in 4 or 5 years :D 2nd: If you lose KCP this year you would be first round exit in playoffs (you will get to playoffs Jokic is good enough to carry you) 3rd : Vogt Jamal and MPJ : Reality after catastrophically injury's ACL and 3BS they will get worse not better next year less explosive less strength more injury prone the older they get.Also its not 2018-9 its 2024 they are what they are developed players. 4th : I really hope that Denver Nuggets explain to Jokic that they are player development organization not championship org like Spurs Mavs Lakers Miami they are more like Rockets Hornets D their organization that sell players to championship team orgs..He Jokic will not be able to win one more championship with them at list till 2027 MPJ contract expired and after he is out of his prime..
Five incredible players? Nuggets have one AllStar who happens to be also all time great. The other four are NBA average or below. If they were more, they would have been in an AllStar or AllNBA selections at some points of their career.
I like AG...he's actually great, great defensively, great synergy with Jokic and overall exactly the piece you need on offense, he's all star caliber player in his role...Murray and MPJ 2 of the 10 worse contracts in the league
Wondering when will they figure it out...only competent player Nuggets have is Jokic. That's why the second center never succeeds, he always plays with 4 bench caliber players, that is if he's lucky and he's not playing with g league players. Murray on any other team, is likely a back up starting point guard, or Jordan Pool type starter
@@ouicertes9764you are exactly on point, we all got conned, it's just Jokic, Jokic makes the best starting 5...no Jokic, it's show us what the players really can do...give Jokic the rookies, they look great, give Jokic whoever, they look great...the back up center has one and only problem..by definition he can't play with Jokic
Burns had a good March Madness run but there’s no chance he even gets drafted. Compare their stats and Holmes is about 20 tiers above DJ, plus he’s a much better defender
Murray 27, MPJ 25,26 years old. Both of them missed 1 or 2 seasons because of injury. I think this 2 players can be lot better and I think they will. Murray is lazy but he has that competitive dog talking shit in him and perfect adition to Jokic. I understand that many are mad because last season but Denver only need to find 2 avrage players for bench with the rookies and they will win again. Jordan as backup center can play if he has guy( pg or sg) who knows how to handle the ball with penatration and pass. Minnesota only stop Denver becuse no one scored form 3s and they could colapse the paint and stop Jok. So 1 shooting handle guy(quality player) and 1 big (can be good rookie with Jordan) that is what Denver needs. Cancar is also back and he can go with Jok in rotation and move AD on center if is needed, do not forget Cancar is good player. I think Denver will win 2 or 3 more with this core if Murray and MPJ improve. Do not forget Jokic is loyal guy, he do not like changes, he will stick for Murray, MPJ and Malone. Good luck convincing Jok to get rid of them....
there is too much interest in holmes right now. heck, there was another podcast discussing him to their team (deus and mo - sac podcast) while this was going on. he probably goes in the high teens.
DNVR Crew: Any chance you see this trade could possibly go through, from both teams and then what you think about it. MPJ, Christian Braun, 2024 1st (draft day) and 2030 1st round (1-10 protected) to the Nets for Mikal Bridges.
Denver Nuggets can’t squander the opportunity of having Jokic. He is not getting younger.
It's done...nobody is eve talking about Murray taking the longest time in modern history to come back from ACL...but it all makes sense now
Nikola is good naïve loyal kid but this is the point for his manager to wake him up if he wants to have successful carrier Denver Nuggets from this point out are going down.
Reality is if he stays with DN he will spend the rest of his carrier to contributing to develop new players so Denver can sell them to championship teams (in other words they will milk Nikola Jokic prime for player development)
Nikola give everything to Denver but unlike Spurs or Mavs or Miami or Lakers they didnt support him and he w8sted 3 of 4 years of his prime..So now what after losing KCP this year what real future is there for him on this team..(player development ?)
@@BoskoBanovic people are talking about the loss of KCP like it's some major event, like if they won the championship with him, and can't do it again without him. That's dealing with the fourth or fifth issue by priority and ignoring the most important one, which is that Nuggets need an upgrade of Murray, give Jokic a "Kyrie". Let Murray go.
@@BoskoBanovic sure, and Jokic will milk them for hundreds of millions of dollars. Does he care about the championships that much at all? He seems happy, not chasing basketball legacy but enjoying his other interests more. It's a hard but cushy job for him, a great deal of pressure is taken off from him by not providing him with a fully competent team. Considering that he has the worst no 2 guy, and no all star talent on the roster, he is carrying his team more than anyone else in the league and can do no wrong.
When Denver watched Jokic's video, did they know he would be this kind of player. Denver needs to take a player who knows how to dribble and can make his way to the basket - no matter which position
Daron holmes is not the answer. We need veterans ffs
Does this disappointing run turn this squad into a bunch of cagey old veterans who just refuse to lose? That's what I'm hoping.
Daron Holmes. 6’9” 235lbs. Zeke Nnaji 6’9” 240lbs. Why draft another Zeke Nnaji?
Holmes looks slightly better. It would be pretty funny though to have Zeke glued to the bench making 9 million, while this new Zeke lookalike comes in and gets all of old Zeke's minutes.
Because they’re nothing alike. Zeke’s not a good basketball player. Holmes is closer to Kelly Olynyk than he is Zeke. Nnaji. We need guys that can dribble, pass, and shoot. Holmes is above average (for a PF/C) in all departments.
Holme has better hands
Damn. I love this show.
On point of the hubris, getting their ass carried to a championship by top-3 all time great and the surrounding pieces (esp Murray and front office), thinking that they are the reason they won...well...
I we get him I hope Denver doesn’t force him into being a stereo typical big let him hoop the way he want that’s best way to let players develop & find out more about them
This is disappointing. Really feels like more homework should have been done prior to this pod.
Homles is 236lbs, not 200lbs. Holmes is also a very good basketball player (+dribble, ++pass, ++shoot) that happens to be 6’10”. Comparing him to Zeke Nnaji, who has never been a good basketball player (- -dribble, - -pass, -shoot) is terrible. Anyone looking to this pod for insight on Holmes is walking away with a very skewed perspective.
Holmes is the perfect backup center for this team. Like ideal. Better than anyone, outside of Olynyk (the real comp) that I can think of. He’s intelligent enough to facilitate in the Nuggets system (2.6apg), talented enough to go out and get a bucket (20ppg), and versatile enough to slot in next to Jokic when AG sits and Nuggets need a different look, due to his (sneaky) athleticism and high BBIQ.
When someone says “this is a terrible draft” I can immediately tell they haven’t looked for themselves and are parroting the national narrative. This I a poor draft for tanking teams (no projectable superstars). This is a great draft for Win now talent.
Give me DaRon Holmes II as a backup big, Baylor Scheierman as a secondary ball handler/connective piece, Tristen Newton as a backup guard, Dillon Jones, Ajay Mitchell, and a couple of guys that pulled out of the draft last minute (Trevon Brazille).
There’s maybe one guy, due to the cap restraints, that’d be work trading this FRP for and if we were guaranteed Holmes, wouldn’t make that trade. Nick Richards is the only guy we can get that’s young enough and talented enough to send this pick out in, and Holmes is better.
Denver Nuggets should draft Nikola Djurisic with their first / second pick, he is improving fast, maybe he can turn up good, and maybe it will be good for Jokic to have another Serbian guy in team to hang out with.
How about a reliable point guard first?
How about someone besides Jokic who can pass the ball for a change? Or drive to the basket? Ah, that is probably a luxury for Denver Nuggets.
If the move from the Nuggets is to just restock with more rookies, Calvin Booth is missing the plot. We’ll see what happens. Could the Nuggets get Tyus Jones and Corey Kispert from the Wizards? How about a big swing, how about the Nuggets move on from KCP and make a move at Caruso?
We need andre Drummond as a backup. He has chemistry with reggie & kcp already
@@cryptozoro8107 I think there's no chance Reggie is on the team next year. The fit just isn't good. His contract can at least help get a trade going.
If they just add another rookie Calvin needs to be fired
@@Sean.CordesThey won't be able to get a quality backup point guard + back up center
@Sean.Cordes I think reggie stags as he values winning & his role + he's a hometown kid from Denver born & raised. Nobody talks about it but both reggie & jamal were hurt in the playoffs. When healthy, those 2 are my guys. I'm ten toes down with our points guards
They just need to draft Edey.... you would never have to worry about the bench scoring, and the opponent's bench is getting blocked all day. Who cares that he can't shoot 3s... or isn't high endurance... he only needs to play 10 minutes.
Yup, if Edey is there, just draft him. Don’t overthink it.
I kinda miss adam and dline together
A vet I that think would be interesting is Larry Nance Jr. Would need to be a trade but he could backup 4/5. Poor man's AG type.
Just to give you some numbers, 21-22 AG 11% at C, 22-23 8%, 23-24 10%...so it's all very similar, it's not like 23 he didn't play there at all, and in 24 he played there all the time (21-22 is Murray sitting out year, so it's all weird, AG was only other starter on the roster, on the other hand the had Cousins for the second part of the season)
1st: Basically they (Denver Nuggets) what from Jokic to develop new bunch of players (rookies) so he could win championship in 4 or 5 years :D
2nd: If you lose KCP this year you would be first round exit in playoffs (you will get to playoffs Jokic is good enough to carry you)
3rd : Vogt Jamal and MPJ : Reality after catastrophically injury's ACL and 3BS they will get worse not better next year less explosive less strength more injury prone the older they get.Also its not 2018-9 its 2024 they are what they are developed players.
4th : I really hope that Denver Nuggets explain to Jokic that they are player development organization not championship org like Spurs Mavs Lakers Miami they are more like Rockets Hornets D their organization that sell players to championship team orgs..He Jokic will not be able to win one more championship with them at list till 2027 MPJ contract expired and after he is out of his prime..
Five incredible players? Nuggets have one AllStar who happens to be also all time great. The other four are NBA average or below. If they were more, they would have been in an AllStar or AllNBA selections at some points of their career.
I like AG...he's actually great, great defensively, great synergy with Jokic and overall exactly the piece you need on offense, he's all star caliber player in his role...Murray and MPJ 2 of the 10 worse contracts in the league
Wondering when will they figure it out...only competent player Nuggets have is Jokic. That's why the second center never succeeds, he always plays with 4 bench caliber players, that is if he's lucky and he's not playing with g league players. Murray on any other team, is likely a back up starting point guard, or Jordan Pool type starter
what happened to "the best starting 5"? Isn't Jokic supposed to make other players better?
@@ouicertes9764you are exactly on point, we all got conned, it's just Jokic, Jokic makes the best starting 5...no Jokic, it's show us what the players really can do...give Jokic the rookies, they look great, give Jokic whoever, they look great...the back up center has one and only problem..by definition he can't play with Jokic
Majority of your top 5 are with lebron superteams 😅
Considering he’s a forward prolly not??
Like him a lot I though he should of been higher in the draft defo a steal
Missed the super chats.
peak offseason form
Zeke Nnaji had a beautiful shot first 2 years. What happened.
No talent.
“Der-on” Holmes III
Who is a better back up Center DJ Burns or DaRon Holmes?
Holmes easily.
Burns had a good March Madness run but there’s no chance he even gets drafted. Compare their stats and Holmes is about 20 tiers above DJ, plus he’s a much better defender
I honestly believe they need to move on from MPJ or get him to restructure his contract. Same with Murray.
can't trade them, can't restructure...they are stuck
For the love of... trade MPJ, it's the only move
who trades for him...?
Spurs time-line had 3 MVPs (Khawi could have won if he played serious in RGS) Nuggets ARE NOT THE SPURS, Nuggets have MVP and not even an all-star
Murray 27, MPJ 25,26 years old. Both of them missed 1 or 2 seasons because of injury. I think this 2 players can be lot better and I think they will. Murray is lazy but he has that competitive dog talking shit in him and perfect adition to Jokic.
I understand that many are mad because last season but Denver only need to find 2 avrage players for bench with the rookies and they will win again. Jordan as backup center can play if he has guy( pg or sg) who knows how to handle the ball with penatration and pass.
Minnesota only stop Denver becuse no one scored form 3s and they could colapse the paint and stop Jok. So 1 shooting handle guy(quality player) and 1 big (can be good rookie with Jordan) that is what Denver needs. Cancar is also back and he can go with Jok in rotation and move AD on center if is needed, do not forget Cancar is good player.
I think Denver will win 2 or 3 more with this core if Murray and MPJ improve.
Do not forget Jokic is loyal guy, he do not like changes, he will stick for Murray, MPJ and Malone. Good luck convincing Jok to get rid of them....
Murray to the Raptors for Imannuel Quickley, Bruce Brown, and their 1st Round Pick? Then, MPJ to the Cavaliers for Donovan Mitchell? Swing for it all.
this might be the contender for the worst post ever.
Terrible man….. terrible never cook again
Why do you weirdos want Bruce Brown so badly?
Why would smdy want Murray or MPJ...untradeable...
there is too much interest in holmes right now. heck, there was another podcast discussing him to their team (deus and mo - sac podcast) while this was going on. he probably goes in the high teens.
DNVR Crew: Any chance you see this trade could possibly go through, from both teams and then what you think about it. MPJ, Christian Braun, 2024 1st (draft day) and 2030 1st round (1-10 protected) to the Nets for Mikal Bridges.
Nice try but he is going to the Lakers
Holmes looks very much like Zeke to me.
Because you didn’t watch him play. 😂