Origins of Noah's Curse is INSANE
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- Origins of Noah's Curse is INSANE
Join us as we dive into the scandalous secrets behind Noah's drunkenness and the curse of Ham. Could there be more to this tale than meets the eye? We'll explore provocative interpretations and surprising connections to Greek myths like the castration of Ouranos.
Tracing the twisted roots of Noah's vineyard, Lot's incestuous daughters, and Japheth's tents, we'll see how the Bible subtly nods to classical inspiration while artfully adapting details. Could there be an ex eventu perspective at play, with Hellenistic fingerprints across Genesis?
From voyeuristic transgressions to theories of paternal incest, we'll survey the scholarly spectrum on Ham's deed. But Greek parallels may point to an even more shocking possibility. Midrashic sources also intimate a castration motif.
As we map the mythological landscape, a pattern emerges - the Bible creatively remolds narratives from broader lore. Plato's ideals inspire a humanized Adam and Eve. The scandalous Cronos myth morphs into the cryptic Ham incident. Dionysian debauchery lurks behind Noah's wine.
Join us as we follow the clues, traverse tangled genealogies, and reconstruct the precarious precipice between history and myth. How far do the Greek roots of the Bible really go? Let's find out together on this episode of MythVision!
The older Greek myth has Ouranos being castrated by Cronus which stopped his father from reproducing and eating his children. It appears Genesis is a demythologized version of the Greek with. One can clearly see the Mesopotamian mythological antecedents in Genesis, but when those comparisons fail, we need to see the Greek stories and Geneologies for help. Noah and Lot survive world catastrophes, one by water and another by fire which we only see in the Greek world. Also, Noah to be the first to make a vineyard and drink wine, we see the son of Deucalion in the Greek world to be the first to do the same. Both Greek and biblical Geneologies share the same names of characters which has been recognized by several academics in the past. Will they also recognize the prophecy out of Noah's mouth in Genesis 9 as an ex eventu piece of evidence that Japheth, which is the Greeks, are in the tent of Shem, which are the Jews? This happened after Alexander the Great swept the known world.
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Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
1:35 Curse of Ham - family drama
5:05 What did Ham do?
20:53 Comparing Greek and Bible Floods and Genealogies
27:07 Inspired by Greeks
32:14 Wajdenbaum | Thumbprints in the name
35:57 Dionysius The wine God
39:31 The Bible owes Plato - Conclusion
41:47 Debunking Apologetics
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The older Greek myth has Ouranos being castrated by Cronus which stopped his father from reproducing and eating his children. It appears Genesis is a demythologized version of the Greek with. One can clearly see the Mesopotamian mythological antecedents in Genesis, but when those comparisons fail, we need to see the Greek stories and Geneologies for help. Noah and Lot survive world catastrophes, one by water and another by fire which we only see in the Greek world. Also, Noah to be the first to make a vineyard and drink wine, we see the son of Deucalion in the Greek world to be the first to do the same. Both Greek and biblical Geneologies share the same names of characters which has been recognized by several academics in the past. Will they also recognize the prophecy out of Noah's mouth in Genesis 9 as an ex eventu piece of evidence that Japheth, which is the Greeks, are in the tent of Shem, which are the Jews? This happened after Alexander the Great swept the known world.
Also, as my video series continues, you will notice that the demythologizing of Genesis and the euhemerizing of these older myths into the biblical narrative closely resembles how Plato would use the mythologies of his tradition, but rationalize them into something more realistic and scientific as a Philosopher. Are the Biblical authors getting their inspirations from the famed Plato and other Greek minds. I hope to reveal this in my next video and continue this series revealing details most people have never considered.
It’s as if Genesis repurposed really ancient myths but not before stripping them from any an all mythology.
@@MythVisionPodcastYes! this falls in line with the platonism of the day
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Plato (/ˈpleɪtoʊ/ PLAY-toe; Greek: Πλάτων Plátōn; 428/427 or 424/423 - 348 BC. Doesn't even have a clue what is most ancient. He wouldn't know what a 2900 BCE cunieform tablet was if i walked up and gave its scribe, the place it was written or the nature of the great flood that buried, he still would not have a clue.
The quality of these productions is outstanding. You and your team are helping break new ground in accepted scholarship, and I am excited to be invited to be a spectator!
Bro your graphics are NEXT level!!🔥🤩
Thanks bro 🔥 this took days to produce. 😅
Why, if Ham did anything wrong, would he immediately go and tell his brothers? Then his brothers walk in backwards to avoid seeing their father naked. Not to mention the fact that Noah had passed out from drinking too much wine. It allways seemed so stupid and weird to me.
The ingathering took place in the sign of Scorpio aka wine press (Gath). Noah is the Earth which produces crops. Ham is the summer season where the fruits develop and are harvested. The harvesting of the crops left Noah aka Earth naked/barren. Shem/winter covers Earth with a blanket of white snow. Japheth/spring covers the same Earth with green grass (verdure).
The Egyptians had the same story of Osiris getting drunk and entering the same vessel on the same date as Noah. The Argo Navis plays a role in this story.
It's a newly Greek-literate group inspired by Greek stories and myths. That explains much of the odd flavor generally.
It is very weird
Okay so there is a theory that is said that Ham slept with Noah's wife hence the term "'uncovered his father's nakedness" as that is used in Leviticus 20:11 as a son sleeping with their Father's wife (uncovering the fathers nakedness - the wife) thus Canaan would be cursed being inbred. Like you said though why would Ham go run and tell if he was having a relationship with his mother and in the pre context the scriptures state that Noah took his clothes off... 🤔 ?
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Ham is the summer season of July thru October. Shem is the winter season of November thru February. Japheth is the spring season of March thru June. These 12 months are the 12 tribes/apostles/princes.
BIBLES AND SACRED BOOKS.-Lastly, all religions have Bibles, before whose words, nay, even in many cases before whose names, not only the voice but the head and the knee of man are bent, and even this would be a small thing, were it not that intellect and reason, God’s highest gifts to man, which alone raise him above the rest of his animal creation, are bent, crippled, nay, broken, and ordered to be subservient to the foolish diets, words, and ideas, often found in these books called Bibles, and this for no other reason than because there written; thus do nations turn such books into fetishes. It is forgotten or ignored, that though placed there by good and holy, though in our day what would be called ignorant men; who when their spirit was fixed with holy thoughts, wrote-“Thus saith the Lord;” yet we know, for our reason and conscience, if not historians tell us, that the words and dogmas we are told to bow before, have been too often written by conquerors and tyrants and bad men, who thus desired to justify their unjust acts. James R. Forlong, Rivers of Life.
In the scenes with Lot's daughters you can almost hear the"Jerry Jerry" chant in the background
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They always make it sound like one big happy incestuous family while reading the text where it says ' they got him drunk and then he had NO IDEA what was going on '
He probably wondered how his daughters got pregnant.
They thought that God had destroyed the whole world AGAIN only not with water this time.
They thought their father was the last MAN on earth.
A worthy angle to investigate! Keep it up. Also, love the art/visuals and the music.
When i was in highschool i was very interested in mythology and read any mythology from any culture i could find. I sort of came to the same parallels. I get the impression that there lies a more ancient or lost narrative and they are all telling a different version of that. Many mythologies separated by time and geography seem to be telling the same stories. If they couldn't have copied each other because of the separation of time and geography then they must have copied them from someone. It is hard to say just how old a story is based on the oldest version of it that is written down. That can not factor how old the story was orally passed down before someone finally wrote the first textual version of it down. We know that as a story is passed down weather orally or textually changes are made different versions arise and the true origin of the story becomes obscured possibly even completely lost. It hints that either there was once an ancient global culture that predates the fragmented cultures of modern recorded history from which all these stories originate. Or that the fragmented cultures of our early recorded history were not as fragmented as we think they were. And they were interacting and trading ideas much earlier and regularly than we thought.
The Greeks, like Solon, learned from Egypt, who may have learned from Sumer, not even 1% of Egyptian records have been translated, theres also the Tibetan scrolls that arent being worked on.
The same here God bless
Why would they need any inspiration toi write about how their enviroment of tribes and geological structures came about? Humans have always been curious about such questions and the early writing cultures would suffer from an abject lack of any reliable sources for an explanation.
That they result in roughly similar strutures of gods involving themselves with humans and family trees sprouting the mythical ancestors of very real tribes known in the time it was written down isn't any more surprising than that the texts themselves exist.
The desire to find a common source is pure Apophenia.
@@Ugly_German_Truths well I understand that. It is still interesting though. I suppose it's similar to how different cultures on different continents will figure out how to do things the same way without interacting with each other. Sort of how stone arrow heads will have common designs and production methods among unrelated cultures. Or how they will make their bows the same way.
Homo Sapiens all over the world have one thing in common.... the Sapien brains... i.e. something that works in the same way that makes them do and think the same way... with slight variations relative to local conditions and environmental constraints and requirements.
The Earth all over the world shares the same thing... geographical features and water cycle and echo systems... with small variations depending on altitudes and latitudes and longitudes and geological features.
So... similar brains... similar environmental challenges... thus... similar fairy tales.
As a gay man, having once heard the curse of Ham was an example of why homosexuals should be cursed I appreciate the several other options you mentioned on this strange bit of the Bible.
Thank you for the video and it's unique look into this topic. Keep up the good work!
Your opinion offered so ceaselessly here is awareness of the bee’s without seeing the honey, nor the hive.❤❤❤
Leviticus!!
What I saw was a repeat of another story , the one about Tamar. 2 sons in myth, one being favored and the other being cursed. After Ham is cut off, of the 2 sons left, someone has to go.
Please look into the story of Nimrod, the great hunter. He is a hero figure in Hungary and parts of Russia. I think a deeper.story exist.
I remember in the late 90s Harold Bloom proffered the idea that the "tent" itself could have been a metaphor for Noah's wife.
why does it even matter lol. Like imagine wasting time thinking any interpretation of a myth matters.
The women of those days wore the same clothing that Muslim women wear today, and Muslim women look like walking tents. Tent could have been slang for woman back in the day.
I hadn't heard a lot of this before. (I haven't actually read a lot of the Bible)
Regarding the grandson thing, the castration thing repeated with Kronos and Zeus. So maybe that's part of it. Zeus (Ouranos' grandson) is where that story ended.
The "castration" is the harvest of Earth's crops. At this point Earth becomes naked/barren and enters the womb (winter season) often described as a ship or vessel. Earth enters the womb naked and comes out naked.
What I'm about to say. Is not meant to be disrespectful or to offend anyone. If Lot was totally drunk. And couldn't remember anything. Then how is it possible? Wouldn't it be somewhat difficult for Lot to function or respond in the way it would be necessary for his Daughter's to conceive.
Thhe story of Lot impregnating his two daughters seems a lot to me like a story told by the father, who has forced himself on his daughters, and is writing the account to transfer the blame of the incest onto them - it is their decision in the story, but who _wrote_ the story?
And as someone in the comments mentioned: If Lot was that drunk that he didn't know his own daughters, how could he have performed sexually?
@@Paul-hl8yg He was asleep.
@@justice8718 Drunk & asleep? Yet still performed, what a guy!! lol.
Yup! Altogether, it seems pretty improbable.
Thanks man! We have figured these things in Greece too, long time ago but of course the system doesn't allow it to come out, in school they teach us about Noah and not Deukalion... But lots of stuff in our culture seems suspiciously contradicting... Then you start the reading...
Do you know Plutarch's Isis and Osiris? He clearly gives us a hint there... I think it was his way of warning us via mythology, he clearly says that after the Titan wars Typhoon left riding on a donkey the donkey symbolises 1) slow movement in time and 2) the lower human instincts and had as children the Judeus and Hierosolemus. Of course Plutarch was not ..."discriminating" he was indicating in his way where the problem was, where the deceit was happening. We are all victims of the same deceit. Christians, Muslims, Jews... All religions are made up to control not to elevate.
I call those religions... Darius' last laugh...... get it?
@@suelingsusu1339 of course I get it.... 🤣
True my brother.
So the Christian’s were controlling people while being hunted down by pagans and Jews in the first centuries and some places by pagans in later centuries leading up to Christian persecution in places like Nigeria and India? Wow! Obama us right that most Christian’s do what they want. What control! A good chunk of Jews do whatever they please, too. I can’t speak for the Muslims. They are pretty controlling.
first compliments! The Editing is top notch, Research is full and rich and I LOVE the choice of music! I would LOVE to accomplish making such a nice quality of content. Super great =)
now to the critique, and only one I have.
Lot learning of his daughters using him at some point, even if it is the following day doesn't remove his Innocence. That's not how innocence works. Innocence isn't determined by involvement alone on all things. Sometimes knowledge of Involvement is enough to prove guilt, but usually that means they are still aware and lucid at the time of the crime or sin. When someone is unconscious, either by alcohol or by being deceived to the extent of not given the opportunity to witness the crime itself, that how Innocence is found.
This understanding of Innocence is both theologically true, and how the Law is meant to work, most of the time it has but there has also been plenty of exceptions due to corruption. That's what you're hinging the counter point that this is not "Real History" at @14:47 upon? This entire premise isn't based in the logical definition of "Innocence" or how the story of Lot is recorded or interpreted. That is kind of intellectually disingenuous, and a bit logically incongruent. If you care to read this far and haven't dismissed me, is there a possibility of you addressing this ?
Another way to measure if you are using logic congruently is by a simple story. A person is working a cashier position, a coworker comes up to said cashier, and says "Hey we are coworkers, Would you mind wearing this blindfold for a period of time, I have a surprise for you!" to which the Cashier agrees, assuming no malice. The cashier puts the blindfold on, then while blindfolded, the Coworker double-crosses the cashier and silently steals a small amount of money from the cashier. Shortly after, the coworker says "okay remove the blindfold!" the cashier does, and says "where the surprise." and the coworker says, "oh I forgot it sorry" and meanders away nonchalantly, innocently while the cashier is completely none-the-wiser. Later when totaling her register she is short, and appeals to her manager. "I did not steal the money, or let anyone take anything for free, I swear it! Would you please watch the Security Cameras?" The manager obliges, and the truth is revealed. The cashier is innocent, completely absolved of any accusations.
- do you see the parallels I have created in my fictional story based on the Themes of Lot and Noah.
thanks for the content.
PS I have Greek Tattoos all over my arms. I used to consider myself an Athenian Philosopher so much in spirit that I tattooed it to my body. Now I am bnei noach.
Honestly, the episode of the two girls sleeping with their father just sounds like some creepy man's fantasy...
Father/daughter was the one kind of incest NOT forbidden in Leviticus. I guess it was because Daddy "owned" his daughters sexuality.
Your videos are so interesting! ✌🏾
Glad you like them!
@MythVisionPodcast JOKTAN sons in your genealogy are WRONG as they refer to the posterity of CANAAN-Genesis10:15-19
JOKTANS 13 sons are in Genesis 10:26-30; ALMODAH, SHELEPH, HAZARMAVETH; JERAH; HANDORAM; UZAL; DIKLAH; OBAL; ABIMAEL; SHEBA; OPHIR; HAVILLAH; JOBAB clearly there is a problem, why you are trying to PASS OFF the CANAANITES as of JOKTAN when they are CLEARLY NOT Semitic or HEBREW!
Derek,you must be the hardest working utuber out there. Thanks so much .
Wow, thanks! I do try my friend.
Thank you for all of your hard work! Your content has helped me as I have deconstructed for the past few years. Keep it up!
Thank you so much for that superthanks! I'm so glad my work has helped you on your journey.
I don't think Noah was castrated or else he may have bleed to death that my opinion I agree with lots of things he said but castration is out of it.😂😂
@@sylvesterhoyte4184 ... why bleed to death... people have been castrating animals for millennia without bleeding them to death... but in any case... it is a myth... so whatever it was is all in the imagination of the beholder.... for instance he may have been castrated but YHWH did a triage and stopped the bleeding... or sent a medic angel to do it.... see when it is a myth anything can be allowed... no?
Rationalizing fairy tales is not rational.
@@MythVisionPodcast JOKTAN sons in your genealogy are WRONG as they refer to the posterity of CANAAN-Genesis10:15-19
JOKTANS 13 sons are in Genesis 10:26-30; ALMODAH, SHELEPH, HAZARMAVETH; JERAH; HANDORAM; UZAL; DIKLAH; OBAL; ABIMAEL; SHEBA; OPHIR; HAVILLAH; JOBAB clearly there is a problem, why you are trying to PASS OFF the CANAANITES as of JOKTAN when they are CLEARLY NOT Semitic or HEBREW!
@@sylvesterhoyte4184This dude is sour grapes, homie ! “Intellectual snobbery” is the description that comes to mind. “None worthy, no not one”
You make tellin' the truth look easy, Derek. Loved this! Can't WAIT for more Plate- yo! (say it out-loud, it's funnier...)
You cover so much ground so fast, while being super fair, deliberative and diligent to an entirely fraught array of accounts, yet it feels like a day at the beach, AND contradicts the stagnation & tedium of the academic + Judeo-Christian delusional status quo, that is so rarely gotten past, all in the process. (sans loaded language like 'delusion'. i can't help it, tho)
Mormons, last I checked, take that whole racist 'mark' thing back to Cain. The "mark of Cain" they call it. But, as their whole thing is fake, too; differences of narrative are known to manifest. Just wanted to 'mark' this one down, too (.... crickets...)
I was really impressed with the intoxicatingly charming editing, and scripting. Wow! I cried, i laughed, rewound, took notes - all the stuff! No hangover...
still buzzed
Applause & cries of enthusiasm - to you, & yours,
yr pal,
Timaeus
Thank you for this compliment
Lots of interesting information. Some constructive suggestions: You need someone like Dr Josh to go through the pronunciation of the script to avoid pronunciation errors like *Lapetus or *FAMilial before you record and a person to proofread the captions as well. I didn't like the addition of the banging sound effects when the books or other items came down, but that's personal preference.
This is very well done... congratulations!
Thank you very much!
That’s the whole deal , Ham didn’t get curst . His son Canaan did. The entire plot makes no sense . Nor does the punishment.
Agreed, I get into all of that in this video. Thanks for commenting.
It makes sense if you read between the lines, “saw the nakedness of his father” is a euphemism for having sex with your mom “vYou shall not uncover the nakedness of your father, which is the nakedness of your mother; she is your mother, you shall not uncover her nakedness. 8 wYou shall not uncover the nakedness of your father’s wife; it is your father’s nakedness.” Leviticus 18: 7-8
So what happened was when Ham saw his dad in a state of drunkenness he tried to usurp him by rapping his wife aka Ham’s mom, the brothers didn’t go along and covered their mom up, thus Ham’s usurping failed. However in the process Cannan was born as a child of incest which is why the curse fell on him.
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The curse falling on Canaan still makes no sense.
KJV Ezekiel 18:20
20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
By the way Canaan was the youngest of four children.
reading between the lines is a slippery slope to seek thee out sense-made, if unending disagreement weren't one's goal@@greasher926
13:47 there are more examples, this one being the most obvious, but the AI (or some other source) has some difficulty with hands, specifically the number of fingers (extra digit, or what appears to be an extra digit). This image however goes one step further, hand(s) in the middle, looks like two or more merged hands, and the hand on the right with clearly 6 digits. ❤😊 just a small detail that I could not ignore.
great video, im learning and understanding more and more, ty!
Awesome, thank you!
Canaan is the constellation of the scorpion. This sign represents Earth's fertility. Noah (Earth) was fully dressed until the harvest was brought in. At this time he enters the Womb (winter) naked and departs naked. But, Japheth (spring) will cover him with a blanket of green grass.
What AI art app do you use for the thumbnails??
Fascinating , clarifying, great work!!!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
It clearly said in the Bible that the curse of him came from not him seeing his father's nakedness but that he exposed his father's nakedness to his brothers by going to tell them instead of covering Noah up like he should have when he saw that his father was exposed.
How would Noah wake up knowing what Ham "did to him" and is that worthy of cursing your sons son?
@@MythVisionPodcast Reuben slept with his father JACOBS CONCUBINE, and is said to have looked on HIS FATHERS NAKEDNESS....is it possible that HAM cause his WIFE to sleep with his FATHER NOAH and hence the birth of CANAAN who is really NOAHS SON but by his son HAMS WIFE?...since is seems the WIVES of NOAHS sons could have all been DAUGHTERS OF MEN(CAIN who intermingled with ALIEN GENES hence the genetic mutation)-thats why ALL the sons of NOAH who is seen as a son of SETH with his WIFE, but their SONS are or GIVE BIRTH to DIFFERENT RACIAL HUES which could only happen if their WIVES were NOT daughters of SETH as NOAHS WIFE...;JAPHETH=Orientals&South American Asians, YELLOWBONE; HAM=Indo-EUROPEANS(CAINaanites from CAIN+SETH gene pool); SHEM=SEMITIC peoples...
Was this not illustrated in the epic of Gilgamesh? There's a flood story there too
I'm always amazed at "scholars" forget about the offspring-branches nomads telling their genealogies around campfires for generations. Of course, there will be similarities! Each family eventually wrote down their stories, not copied from other writings or books of other cultures. Seasoned Scholars have known this. New scholars think they discovered a secret.
To know his father's nakedness, means Ham saw Noah's wife in a naked condition.. Obviously he ,Noah, was not in a position to perform sex for his wife but Ham certainly was and took the rare opportunity..That's why his bloodline is cursed. We need to know more about Noah's wife, Nayama. Obviously, not Ham's mother. My take After studying for many years what the term, my father's nakedness, Really meant back in the day. Cheers
I think you are 99% correct the 99 is in my head
To lift your skirt is a term for a conscious agreement to have a member of your own tribe I believe it is to perform oral sex , key word conscious agreement . I'm not sure if it was either way or the term uncovered his father's nakedness is a term for Noah being passed out drunk ? To lift someone's skirt means their conscious of the act be it male or female.
Noah's wife was the wife of Adam. She was also an Egyptian Sun Goddess.
Are you just commentating on this or do you actually believe this nonsense?
@@harveywabbit9541OK, I'll bite. Where do you get this claim from and why believe it?
The curse of Ken Ham is worse
is he the wok guy?
The accounts of Noah and Lot both follow the account of Adam and Eve. Remember how nakedness entered in there too?
In the particular case of Noah, we are being reminded how nakedness revealed something about them? As a result of eating the fruit they had an impulse to judge themselves. God did not think that way.
The idea is that the Spirit that had been breathed into them had made every decision for them. When they partook of the fruit the Spirit left them.
For Adam and Eve, the symbolism is of the comparison of that former state to the latter. For the others, it is something, inebriation, which says the same thing. The reason, in other words, can be sexual or other, that doesn't matter. What matters is that nakedness gets brought up. Because without the Spirit they felt they had no wisdom, when they thought this would give that to them. That's the feeling that nakedness, probably in all cases, seeks to explore.
Good and Evil is a con job. What we are really meant to do is use right of way to get along with each other. What you see, in every case, again, is how each character, including Adam and Eve, are roasted upon the spit of taking their somewhat less than wise worldviews and running with them to the furthest extent, way beyond that of reason.
Even if you say that a reasonable life can be lived outside the knowledge of God, I'm a universalist, you gotta admit it's interesting how the structure is common to each of the stories. Makes you think about who wrote Genesis. They had a real grasp on how to layer their stories with the capacity for all kinds of interpretation.
Really good, Derek! Thanks!
Glad you liked it!
18:40 Solon learned from the Priests of Sais, in Egypt they had an oral record passed down of five floods, another angle to investigate :)
The five signs of Scorpio thru Pisces = five floods.
I always wanted to know did Plato's writings used to create the new testament?
Dr. Rabbi Zev Farber who has extracted the complete J and P Noah stories with 5 other PHD's believe Canaan was the 4th son in J story.
But was edited out by scribes when the 2 stories were merged.
"Noah’s Nakedness: How the Canaan-Ham Curse Conundrum Came to Be"
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Canaan is Scorpio and Cush is Leo. They are the head and tail of Israel (summer). See Isaiah 9.14-15.
Scorpio is called Satan/Devil, father of lies. Ham = Jupiter.
There is another birth of Aphrodite story which is the one Botticelli painted. She sprang from the foam (aphros) caused when the genitals of Uranus were cast into the sea by Chronos.
She rises from the sea at the spring equinox/morning. See Rev. 1, where the Christian Savior wears the golden girdle of Aphrodite around his Paps (female breast).
Another way to look at it may be that Ham saw his father and his son Canaan in a compromising position and went and told his brothers. We know this because the text called the perpetrator ‘His youngest son’ Hebrew ‘qatan’ but Ham was not Noah’s youngest son. Japhet was. But that term youngest son qatan (could mean grandson) we for example know that Belshazzar was called Nebuchadnezzar’s son but was actually his grandson possibly the son of Nebuchadnezzar’s successor, Nebuchadnezzar II.
Noah (Earth) is always "naked" after the crops are harvested.
it didn't happen bro, hate to break it to ya
its a story fam. We are critiquing a story, whether its historical or mythical or both. Its what intelligent people do. @@TheInterestedObserver
@@chrisv.noire.6388 that would be fine except millions of people swear by these ‘stories’ and have taken other people’s lives based on them. Judeo-christian crusades are real, gospel driven anti-Semitism is real.. Quran led Jihad is real. Death and persecution via divine sanction is NOT ok for us humans. If some annunaki wants us to murder women children and animals because they have a need with another town we say NO.
They are not ‘just stories’ when people are slaughtered and raped because of them.
I think you're getting closer and closer to the truth. Thank you for sharing with us.
Reuben slept with his father JACOBS CONCUBINE, and is said to have looked on HIS FATHERS NAKEDNESS....is it possible that HAM cause his WIFE to sleep with his FATHER NOAH and hence the birth of CANAAN who is really NOAHS SON but by his son HAMS WIFE?...
@nikinai4374 I heard an explanation that I thought was reasonable. Ham castrated his father and therefore destroyed any possibility of more offspring and so Noah cursed the offspring of Ham.
Your videos are excellent! Thanks for what you do.
Reuben slept with his father JACOBS CONCUBINE, and is said to have looked on HIS FATHERS NAKEDNESS....is it possible that HAM cause his WIFE to sleep with his FATHER NOAH and hence the birth of CANAAN who is really NOAHS SON but by his son HAMS WIFE?...
@@nikinai4374 Did Hamm have a wife? I don't think so.
This was amazing 🤯
That was an interesting video. I don't know how much of it is true and what are other plausible options, but there are some parallels
I hope you are working on a book. You have a unique perspective, having interacted with many top scholars as well as a lot of experience sharing knowledge with the public. This video is mature and rich. It will make a great chapter in your book.
The stories are vague to us now because at the time, the compilers knew that their people understood the symbolic language and things that happened. We can't without knowing the cultures and meanings.
"the compilers knew that their people understood"... the compilers were elites writing for kings... "the people" never read anything because they could not... and never understood anything because they never heard any of it... it was all tall tales fabricated to make kings feel better and get amused and keep giving the priestly class some of the money they wrenched out of the hands of "the people".
So being on a boat for 40 days and nights while the earth floods and everyone dies can cause some sick actions later.
You do an awsome job
A lot of these stories in Genesis are replete with familial degeneracy, whether it be Lot, Noah, Ham, Abraham, Judah, David, Absalom, etc., etc.
Yet, some of these characters are regarded as "righteous." These characters are the reason why the incest argument is forgiven as a necessary degeneracy in order to populate the earth.
This degeneracy is a result of multiple wives and concubines. The reason why God would tell David why his kingdom would experience problems. Though these stories might be myths, throughout history many kingdoms traditionally practice inbreeding as to keep their lineage intact for posterity.
It makes sense if you go back far enough. With the Sumerian mythology which is very plain, Enki wades into Ninhursag and impregnates her. Translated the waters reach into the riverbed and vegitation begins to grow. These dieties humped everything in sight but it makes sence if they are symbols for nature.
It has been said these moral laws about familial relations were not established. Even the traditional family structure was probably not established to break.
@@fool1shmortal Maybe. However, what we know today about incest, a d the results of it, can it be possible that these people, through observation, notice these maladies and deformities throughout the years? Could the science of unusual characteristics be the impetus of these biblical laws?
We can rule out maternal incest since the story doesn't continue with great detail about how the mother was given some absurd, ridiculously harsh punishment for being a woman.
😂😂😂 good one
Solomon was the waifu God was looking to craft and God claps for his naked worshipping, as it presents his glory shamelessly.
28:33 same thing happened to Osiris except he was cut yup in 7 pieces. The genitalia was never found againv
1:36 start
Ham knowing his father's nakedness means that Ham slept with his mother. That is why Canaan was cursed.
Can't wait to watch this!
Thanks Jacob! ❤
Hey Derek, it's Iapetos, not Lapetos! The J in Japheth is a yod in Hebrew, Yapheth, which is more similar to Iapetos than Lapetos.
Thanks for the correction my friend. 😊
IN ALL CULTURES THERE IS A COMMON PATTERN AND THAT IS THE POINT WE SHOULD PAY MORE ATTENTION TO.
THE REST IS NO LONGER IMPORTANT.
Did you know that Earth can fit in Uranus 33 times. 34 if you relax 😂
The flood myths have one thing in common and that is the sea of stars called the southern constellations. This is the sea that Ra (the sun) rides across each night in his barque (crescent moon). At sun down/evening the sun was thought to fall into this sea and at sun rise/morning the sun would rise from this "sea." One example is the Pagan Dagon (fish-sun). This is the "fish" that fathered Joshua/Jesus (Aries).
Sooooo, when did Jesus have a twin?
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Jesus, the winter sun, has a twin...the summer sun.
And there is plenty of 'flood myth' world-wide. Now one common copout is to allege that there was a conspiracy by missionaries to rewrite pagan legends. But I find that rather rich.
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BIBLES AND SACRED BOOKS.-Lastly, all religions have Bibles, before whose words, nay, even in many cases before whose names, not only the voice but the head and the knee of man are bent, and even this would be a small thing, were it not that intellect and reason, God’s highest gifts to man, which alone raise him above the rest of his animal creation, are bent, crippled, nay, broken, and ordered to be subservient to the foolish diets, words, and ideas, often found in these books called Bibles, and this for no other reason than because there written; thus do nations turn such books into fetishes. It is forgotten or ignored, that though placed there by good and holy, though in our day what would be called ignorant men; who when their spirit was fixed with holy thoughts, wrote-“Thus saith the Lord;” yet we know, for our reason and conscience, if not historians tell us, that the words and dogmas we are told to bow before, have been too often written by conquerors and tyrants and bad men, who thus desired to justify their unjust acts. James R. Forlong, Rivers of Life.
@@harveywabbit9541 No, not all religions have bibles. Usually it's rather fragmented texts one is dealing with or even only only oral traditions. Those legends become kind of folklore, stories that people told each other. Well, with regards to the global flood event it's remarkable that one finds them virtually everywhere.
The presentation reminded me of the 'The Greek Myths' and its companion work 'The Hebrew Myths' by Robert Graves (the latter in collaboration with Raphael Patai).
Saying that the writers of biblical texts were "well read" with respect to the classical Greek stories may be a misnomer. Greek epics were commonly recited or performed for the purpose of instruction and entertainment. It may be more accurate to say that they were well listened.
I prefer to say they were 'well high' that is more accurate,
drunken, naked noah in the tent always seemed a bit apologetic in the editing. unspecified sexual shame isn’t a topic for sunday school. thanks for another great video derek and company.
Thank you for this compliment
Very insightful
Glad you think so!
This whole series saddens me beyond belief.
I love it ! It's so refreshing to see the pan - Greec schoolarship rise ! Why ? Because like pan - Babylon it would be ultimately shown that most of it is complete trash. Who from you have seen people 5 years ago saying to you that Noha's flood was exactly like the story of Uthna Pishtim ? Everybody I think.
First Japhet means " to be open " and the slipidy slap to make it fit with Japet is Legendary 😅. So Japet would be change from a son of Noah so Deucalion or Ouranos ? Honestly It doesn't matter the criticisim quitted since long time. And from a Brother of Kronos and grandfather of Deucalion you make him a son of his own son in the Greec version ?? Noah is so the grand son and the father of Japhet ?? How that make any sens ?And also you have to throw 99% percent of the Mith to do that ! Like After Castration Ouranos Kronos become the big boss God then after eat his sons and daughters, and is killed by his own son Zeus. Where IS that in the Biblical account ??? And much more it's just the Big lines here. So it's a mith to awnser nothing because the only link is obscure genealogies and castration so, you have to remake the généalogies to make it fit and you have to throw 99% of the story into a Big trash container. Logical outcome = it's crap . With that I can argue that any mith is equal to an other. Just for fun I'm sure I Can Do the same like Hercule = Samson ? Or Hercule = Guilgamesh . Why not ?
Second point, the link between Noha and Loth IS very thin. In the videos Derek showed you not even 5 point in common ! Not even 5 ! But like there is massive diffémerences, like in one YWH speek face to face with him and Come as a human avatar on earth and thenother no. Loth has 2 daughters noah 3 sons. The wife of Noha survive, the wife of Loth no... So I don't Say that there is no link but all of them are very Common, a divine destruction and a lineage ( which is normal it's the goal of the genealogies ).
So greetings to pan - Greec.
Cool show 😎. Thanks 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
The flood story itself is certainly of Mesopotamian origin, tracing back to the Sumerians, with the Atrahasis and Gilgamesh stories written along the way. Robert M. Best 1999 makes a very good case for this, recommended reading.
This would have already been a very ancient tale when it was adapted by Biblical writers, whenever we think that occurred. I noticed your graphic for the documentary hypothesis. I think it's crazy to think the books of Moses were written over a period of many centuries. That doesn't make sense, and is probably only believed in order to make them as ancient as possible, and make the idea of oral tradition back to Moses more credible. I look forward to more of your series into the Greek connection. What I find most likely is the process of writing down the stories largely took place during and after Babylonian captivity. This already makes them post Homer and Hesiod, so Greek influence can't be ruled out.
Genesis looks like a patchwork. while most of the core flood story must have been taken from the ancient Mesopotamian myth (a written source), the aftermath with Noah and his sons are a later invention or has a different source. And Genesis 4 must be written by someone completely unaware that all descendents of his characters are going to be killed off in the next season. There has to be multiple authors here, but it must have been seen as a living text, under development. I don't see that happening over multiple centuries, and don't think there exists any such examples. I will say though that while I think the Books of Moses are much younger than what is currently thought, the knowledge the writers have of the past is impressive. Their placement in time of past events (real or fictional) based on number of generations is reasonable. Far more so than modern fantasy authors who exaggerate wildly, and will have kingdoms last ten thousand years in a world of constant warfare, with no technological advances.
The world-wide flood myths have one thing in common and that is the Southern constellations. That great sea of stars.
You are talking about the same people. They were writing the stories of their ancestors which gets altered over time
Look into the work of, Alan F. Alford and, you will find (IMO) the most compelling interpretation/hypothesis that I have considered to date...❤
Thanks for sharing!
What is his view in short?
Well, remember that. The Exodus from Egypt, they went to Israel. They were Greek, so, yeah. They did have all that mythology and they put it in a Bible that makes sense.
Would you consider having interview with Paul Wallis?? I think it would be most interesting.
Loved this. It was a fantastic presentation. 👍
The snake doctrine where the serpent had relations with Eve is another similar example of twisting the Scriptures with word play.
The snake goddess who rescued Moses from the waters was the daughter of Pharaoh (the sun).
Great content, thankyou for your work.
I have always wondered why Noah was chosen amongst all the people, as being 'perfect' in his generation, (as in producing perfect offspring?????) and then on the other side of the deluge to not be able to pro create. I had figured that Ham must have had intercourse with his mother and Noah found out after the child was born and then morally unable to have relations with his wife. The whole scenario of Shem and Japheth covering it up to save his father's honour. Sodomy and castration never occurred to me, but it does partially answer my question as to the futility of saving Noah in the first instance, if it was not the pure seed from his own loins to father the new generations as well as his sons. Noah understood what Ham had done in distorting the genetics line for the future. It wasn't a personal curse, it was a revelation.
A generation or world, in biblespeak, never exceeds 12 months (solar).
So Noah was perfect for 12 months ...lol . Where are your sources for this revelation?
The Biblical Noah/flood story makes absolutely no sense if taken literally. It's just mythology borrowed from neighboring peoples, where the transition from polytheism to monotheism makes it make less sense. It's also clear that whoever wrote about the descendents of Cain in Gen 4 was not aware of any such mass extinction event, so there are huge continuity issues. Clearly the flood didn't end evil, in fact it achieved absolutely nothing! How many innocent babies and animals were killed in this "cute" story we tell children?
It's also one of the few stories we can say with 100% certainty did not happen, as it contradicts pretty much every single field of science independently.
How old are the extant Greek narratives? This matters because Greeks could have stolen from Biblical stories.
One of the few things we know for sure, is that ducks didn't give a damn about the "Great Flood".@@stimorolication9480
Epic presentation on these earth shattering revelations. Thank you immensely 🙏🇺🇸
04:40 sounds like N Korea where the family is punished for three generations, which is now a path America is copying with the 'slavery' an reperations angle!
Interesting. Thank you
You're welcome
You do make a GREAT case with the comparisons of Greek myths with biblical stories, even with Ouranus and Noah. One of my previous critiques was that you were going to make a case for Noah being castrated, concerning a comparison with Lot....which I didn't see, outside of a stupid reference of, if you take Ham as having sex with Noah...you then MUST ascribe the castration.......that idea does NOT follow, so, you didn't make the case, nor did the person you were quoting
However, the parallels between Greek myths and biblical myths, that was well presented
Noah = Earth. The castration is a harvest of the crops. Earth becomes naked/barren and along comes Shem with his blanket of white snow, followed by Japheth with his blanket of green verdure. This makes the cows happy.
Thanks for killing the silly Ham's descendants curse. The hilarious part of it all is that how could a regular man of mythology actually "curse" anyone without being a demigod?
This is nuts! Literally!😂
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Esoteric. Water=knoweldge; Fire=Spirit/emotion. You have Noah and Lot. You also have Moses which translated means 'born of water and fire'. It goes on. John the Baptist “I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire."
Moab means "Son of the Father"
Ben-ammi means "Son of the Father"
The writer is calling their neighboring nations "incest-ites". Just a funny thing that never gets mentioned
Moab also went by the name water-father aka Aquarius.
@@harveywabbit9541 where?
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With the winter solstice in Aquarius, Moab represents the winter season when the year is divided into two seasons. Moses symboled winter and Aaron symboled summer.
Table 1: Common Thematic Elements in Biblical Flood and Sodom Narratives[4]
Element Flood (J) Flood (P) Sodom (Abraham) Sodom (Lot)
1. Righteous hero 6:8, 9b* 6:9a, 9c-10 18:1-19 19:1-3
2. Public sin 6:1-4 6:11 18:20 19:4-9
3. God/ angels see/hear situation 6:5-7 6:12 18:21 19:10-11
4. God/ angels warn hero 7:1-4 6:13-21 18:20-21* 19:12-13
5. Hero prepares 7:5, 7-8a 6:22; 7:6, 8b-9 18:23-33 19:14-22
6. Destruction 7:10, 12, 17a, 23a 7:21-22, 24 19:29a 19:24-25
7. Salvation of hero and family 7:16b, 23b 7:11, 13, 16a, 17b-20, 8:1-2a, 4-5, 7, 13a, 14 19:29b 19:23
8. Hero looks at aftermath 8:2b-3, 6, 8-12, 13b 8:15-19** 19:27-28* 19:26
9. Children abuse drunk hero 9:18-29[5] - - 19:30-38
Credit Dr. Baruch Alster
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Getting columns to line up is an issue
4:54 Ok, did anyone else notice he has 6 finger? Well 5 fingers & a thumb on each hand 🤭
Hey man how are you, I am in a bit of a lost boat in regards to the division of the lands among the children of El Elyon, to whom was Southern Africa assigned to? I would really appreciate it if you can enlighten me on that bit and piece. All in all thank you very big bro.
Probably a bit of a stretch, but about your point on Dionysus and the invention of wine, I'd check Laurence McKenna' Food of the Gods.
In his stone ape hypothesis he discusses about a "dominator culture" Linked to alcohol and the chance of paradigm and social values. It is just an hypothesis but I hope it might trigger some interesting thoughts. Thank you for your incredible work and clarity!
As I'm a direct descendant of the royal family and, Constantine I found out that Constantine is a direct descendant of The Levi Tribe through his mom side and Joshua is part Cannite, Hitties, Indian and descendants of Egypt King Mantuhotep I'm currently writing a book on this. There's no records in or outside of my family history that proves Joshua killed the cannites nor was they enslaved by Egypt.
Wow that's a lot of nonsense you just unleashed.
@@ancientflames Just say you don't understand from lack of knowledge or just stay ignorant... I had my whole lineage traced speak on something you know
@@ancientflames haha, I think he's been reading too much of the Old Testament and The Gospels and the talking nonsense is rubbing off on him
Great episode, Derek!
Fascinating because I always wanted to study history and mythology in times of the Old Testament. Last winter our Bible study ended at this story, with the men in the group enjoying themselves.
Amazing content!
Why is Nick Nolte playing Noah?
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I've been learning Mesoamerican mythology and was amazed to learn that they had a myth (before the Europeans arrived) in which the first Mother-Father God (Ometeotl and Omecihuatl) created children gods, placed them in a paradise called Tamoanchan and prohibited them from breaking the branches or taking the flowers from the sacred tree that was in the garden. The goddess Xochiquetzal led the way in giving in to temptation and took from the tree, and as a result the gods were kicked out of Tamoanchan down to the earth to participate the cycle of birth and death between earth and underworld. To me this parallelism with old world myth is incredible and needs explaining. It is also interesting, in light of the point made in this video about Euhemerization, that the new world story still preserved the version in which the transgressing protagonists were still rendered as gods, as opposed to the Five.erized version in which they are turned into legendary humans. The mere fact of such a similar story in the pre-European Americas throws such a strange twist into the attempt to understand the age and origins of these stories. There are many other paralles too--the Tamoanchan story is just one example.
" That was supposed to say "as opposed to the Euhemerized version"
Is it the curse of Ken Ham?
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Absolutely fascinating I thoroughly enjoyed this video thank you..
Why do so many faces in your graphics have horns?
Noah:- well bugger me, this grape juice is strong,im off for a snooze. Ham:- say no more,im on it *zip*!!!
Is likely the flood myth has a common ancestor that during migration from culture to culture changed.
In other words is likely a myth that diversified.
In Leviticus “seeing his father’s nakedness” was seeing Noah’s wife nude. It had nothing to do with Noah being nude. Ham was the father of Canaan. Born from the deed with his mother.
Knowing Plato originated the idea of a soul, the Greeks are responsible,for monotheism, reading Dr. MacDonald’s Homer/Bible comparison, Russel Gmirkin’s interviews and applying rational analysis there seems to be no doubt the writers of the Bible borrowed heavily from the Greeks. Keep the analogies coming though, they are really interesting!
0:56: 🔍 This video explores the curse of Ham and the intimate relationship between Noah and his daughters in biblical myths, uncovering connections to Mesopotamian and Greek myths.
6:21: 🔍 Scholars debate the exact misdeed of Ham, with some suggesting he had a sexual encounter with Noah and others proposing maternal incest.
13:05: 🔑 The video discusses the story of Noah and Lot in the book of Genesis and compares their actions and consequences.
17:29: 🔥 The narrator discusses the impact of fire and floods on different regions and explains why the preserved text is considered ancient.
22:52: 🌍 Both biblical and Greek traditions trace ethnic groups back to a pivotal figure related to a flood narrative, showcasing a pattern of understanding and categorizing their worlds through lineage.
28:26: 🌊 The video discusses the mythological story of Kronos castrating his father and the birth of Aphrodite.
34:29: 📚 The Bible draws inspiration from Greek classical writings, using similar names and reshuffling genealogies.
39:45: 🔍 The video discusses the Hellenistic influences in the Genesis account and suggests that the biblical authors might have been inspired by Greek mythology.
44:58: 📚 The video discusses the future of academia and the need for new ideas in Hellenistic studies.
Recap by Tammy AI