Creating Effective Comic Relief
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Comic relief is hard to execute properly, but it is an important part of continuing the flow and rhythm of a film.
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you're right. I've always believed for the most part, that humour is only as funny as the character themselves is real. A realistic character doing something comedic and realistic = funny, a realistic/unrealistic character doing something out of character/out of place just for humorous effect is awkward and uncomfortable and most importantly, falls flat almost 0 if not EVERY time
The moment I saw the oliphant, I knew what joke was coming. Subscribed.
it's a great moment!
@@TylerMowery I think the movies handle the relationship between Legolas and Gimli way better than the books.
i think this is where a lot of horror movies fail, where they'll use a jump scare to get a cheap reaction, but the result, some would argue, is it takes away all the suspenseful tension you've been building up. to me, i have to wonder if a little levity will relieve a little anxiety while still keeping the tension high.
for me, the best comedy and comic relief comes from the characterization, not the jokes. that's just my preference, of course, but something to mull over, eh? character-based humor adds to the character on a deeper, more satisfying level, imo, whereas almost any character can deliver a one-liner.
some movies are in such desperate need of just a hint of humor that anything a character says slightly off-beat is grounds for hilarity. even in straight up dramas, writers can forget that there's funny/humorous shit in real life.
+ryan barker really good thoughts. Yea you're right humor should come naturally from the characters as much as possible. I think one liners can sometimes pull the audience out of the story depending on the character. And yea. Horror movies like The Shining are on another level because they don't constantly go for cheap jump scares
A good to the point video.
I think using humor in a movie (and book) is a dangerous thing to do. That is when it is done with the intention of being funny. Not everyone has the same humor after all.
Comic relieves I personally rarely find funny, not even in my personal favorite movies.
If you want to add humor, create a safety net. And with that I mean make the joke only funny if it is catched up by the viewer, and make it just a line in the movie if the viewer doesn't find it funny. That way it simply can't fail.
What if you are writing a comedy?
@@thumper8684 In my opinion, comedy shouldn’t be a main genre anymore, but more of a classification.
The best comedies I’ve seen can be classified in another bigger genre, like Shaun of the Dead being horror, Guardians of the Galaxy being superhero and Kingsman being action. Some of the funniest movies I’ve seen aren’t even comedies, like Back to the Future. All those movies have a strong enough story to catch the jokes that fall flat, and they’re only comedies because of the high density of humor.
Movies that rely on the humor, aka comedies, usually don’t have that “safety net”, so when the jokes fall flat, it’s noticeable and comes off as cringey. I know a lot of comedies that have a good story, but they usually take a break from all the humor, to leave some space for the emotional moments, like Click, but most comedies don’t do that, so they don’t provide a satisfying experience, instead makes us feel like we watched a feature length RUclips skit
Back to the future has great jokes.
I'd argue gimli is probably one of the greatest comic reliefs of all time, if not the greatest.
Misconcecption. A comic relief is a scenic devise, not a character (or so it should be). Thus, Gimli might deliver one (or several) of the greatest comic reliefs, but he cannot be one himself. That would make a bad character, like Jar Jar.
"Toss me."
"What?"
"Toss me. Don't tell the Elf."
He was researching Beyonce, having just heard of her.
I don't think that makes it any better of a joke
@@TylerMowery If its makes a better joke I dont know, but disables your point of not making sense he hearing Beyonce
But you explained you idea very well, you just pick a bad example
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They also have internet in that place. They aren't completly out of touch with the modern world.
@@Ninjaananas It is almost as if they aren't savages.
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Yes, like the Black guy said.
Dr. Strange was about ancient sorcery and magic in an intercultural modern secret society that has enclaves all over the Earth, with both ubiquitous teleportation and internet access. And even the ancient sorcery and magic is shown as needing to change to meet the times, with "moving on with your life" and "letting go of the past" being major recurring themes in the story.
And it takes place in the broader MCU, where you have pop culture references from the 70s on out the ass from characters like Star Lord, Spider-Man, Iron Man, Falcon, Ant-Man, and Jane Foster's research assistant, as well as a running gag of Captain America having to bone up on modern pop culture, because that's the society the movies take place in.
The time period that the movies take place in is really, really, REALLY central to not just the humor of the films, but the stories themselves. It'd be weird for Legolas to Rick Roll someone, but a brilliant American surgeon who memorizes Billboard Charts referencing a modern-era singer who he says is popular and a modern-era, multi-lingual magical researcher/librarian, who also happens to be a monk in an ancient order, looking up and enjoying said singer on the wifi they explicitly have is a pretty great way to showcase the difference between appearance and reality (see also: the scene where Strange meets the Ancient One).
Personally, I'm hoping that the next Avengers movie has an opportunity for both Strange and Stark to say "No shit, Sherlock" to one another, possibly at the same time.
+lnsflare1 very good rebuttal. I see your point. I think the biggest thing is whether or not a joke brings the audience out of a film. I would say that since the film was mediocre overall, jokes like that continued to pull me out of the film and eye roll. This may not have been the case for the general audience and that's fine. Thank you for the well thought out reply!
+lnsflare1 that would probably make the movie unwatchable for me
+Tyler Mowery
If a five second throwaway meta-gag like that could ruin an entire film for you, I can only hope you never watch Deadpool because you are likely to have some sort of stroke within the first fifteen minutes.
Somewhat OT, but I just remembered that the Beyonce bit was a subjoke whose punchline was a preamble to the sight gag of Strange grabbing books through portals behind Wong's back; the actual setup in that scene was that Wong wasn't reacting to any of his quips, with a further setup scene being when Strange complained to Wong and Mordu that the warnings should have been at the front of magical spells rather than the end later on, and the actual punchline being Wong cracking up when Strange damned the guys who had previously killed him to eternally suffer the wrath of the cosmic horror that had empowered them and commented that the warnings on the spell they used should have really been at the beginning of the spell.
Which is in itself entwined with another joke where the setup was that the second scene was caused because Wong and Mordu very seriously explained to him that the time magic that he was doing could have had cosmically disastrous consequences, and the punchline being that Wong encouraging him to keep screwing around with time in the end sequence when Strange was expecting to be chided for violating the natural order again, which cycled back to drama when that willingness to violate the natural order was what caused Mordu to defect from them at the end.
Jokeception.
great Explanation why the joke, in fact, fits and perhaps also why it landed with the broader audience.
Another great video essay :) congrats on hitting 1k subs dude! No idea when that happened but you deserve them, consistently good content every time 👌
+billygoatideas thank you! Yea I hit that just a couple days ago. I was super pumped. Thanks for watching this channel for so long!
My thoughts exactly
that was a really good video, congrats
+Erick Graziani thank you!
the Dr Strange one works because Marvel films are comic book films. Tongue is in cheek the entire time. Audience has agreed to suspend disbelief in a big way. Comic books are campy.
Subbed cause I like how this channel is evolving. Your narration has improved a lot, I think the only thing that's missing is graphics (like text and stuff). Without them, I think you're missing a level of emphasis on what you're talking about, and it makes it more difficult to follow your train of thought throughout. Still, great work on this and your other vids. Keep it up!
thank you! that is helpful input
Love your videos
Tyler. I've watched every video but I notice no videos really cover the low point, all is lost, dark night of the soul moment in story. If you could make a video on the low point it would greatly be appreciated
Iron Man part 1 has the best comic relief when he is testing his suit.
In defense of jar jar he was being clumsy to hide he's true identify, at least thats what lucas was going for before fans started to complain.
Great video again, comedy relief can ruin a movie for me its also one of the reasons I cant watch super hero movies except for deadpool. lol
I really wish Lucas would have pulled the trigger on that.
What was his true identity?
I don't know, maybe Dr. Strange should have said "Bring it on Pagemaster." The movie is one of Disney's live action movies and the Pagemaster is SPOILERS the librarian the movie. Eh...comedy should come from character and not pop culture, this moment will be dated surely. Even better, comedy should be situational and come from character. Jokes aside, the movie was okay.
+Jest Munsta yea the movie was okay. Not better, not worse. Just okay.
Tyler Mowery the movie was awesome... if you think this movie was just okay then I don't know what movie is better for you?
I like to think Wong looked up Beyoncé and became a fan
I've never been more upset by muted B-roll. Just let me hear the jokes!!!
Great video, Tyler. I wonder if this has helped you to try and include jokes successfully in your future scripts.
I haven't seen Doctor Strange, but even I could tell that joke didn't really fit the character/setting. As far as relevance goes in films, I think a filmmaker has to decide if he's reaching for relevance in the present or timelessness. I don't think one is necessarily better than the other (although I personally lean more towards timelessness). I often think about this decision when a film has a lot of technology involved. I don't like when a movie shows someone's phone constantly or when characters make references to shows and celebrities. It's going to date the film tremendously and it won't have the same effect 20 years from now. But isn't that okay? I still watch Saved by the Bell and I am not really that hindered by their brick antenna phones. I think both can coexist together and I can enjoy both of them.
Yet your point is still a good one. Jokes that are completely contained within the film are of better quality (in my opinion). Yet, even they may not last a long time. Culture often changes and the things that we used to laugh at in the 1920s are not quite as humorous to us now.
Looking forward to your new video.
+N.T. Jordan thank you for your thoughts
N.T. Jordan If you haven't seen Doctor Strange, then you have no point of reference to make such a statement.
this is a good video and rises good points but i wish more examples were included (both good and bad), it would help us understand better
+Bradipo Panzuto yea I should have made it longer
What about Bronn of the Blackwater
you never explain HOW to do something , you always just show one bad example and one good example, and thats not enough information to take away to actually apply any of this
If you have to explain a joke...
Comedy is probably the hardest thing to get right. The best Tyler can offer is how not to do it badly. The good example given was still tacked on. Check out the last line in Some Like it Hot for real genius.
Taika Waitit should see this video before doing Thor 4.
No he doesn't have to.
Too late
Well done. Still haven't seen Doctor Strange, but dude you were right.
+causbury honestly Doctor Strange wasn't really worth the watch in my opinion. Great special effects and set design. But the story felt caged and controlled the whole time.
I really liked the characters, and the idea of the Ancient One not being completely good. The effects are the best in any movie ever, and the acting is good and consistent. I mean, compared to Suicide Squad and Batman v Superman and dumb comic book movies in general, it's pretty good.
That Beyoncé line wasn't just a setup, it in itself was a punchline to the setup of other single name singers, which are references completely in character for Strange as established in the very first scene of the film. The follow-up punchline was funny thanks to it's juxtapositioning. Had it taken longer for the payoff, the joke would have fallen flat. That you didn't find it funny doesn't mean it's a bad joke.
What was Gimli's punch line? I sort of caught "I still don't... " something.
Later: I caught it elsewhere: "That still only counts as one."
Woah just because someone is a scholar and a magician doesnt mean they cant have a different taste in music? What do you Wong to listen? Mystical playlists on youtube and Bach? Get outta here, its a pretty good scene to bring Wong closer to the general audience and the joke is that he doesnt know Beyonce, the joke is that he is checking her out.
Still not really that funny and the joke will be outdated sooner or later.
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Not at all.