When I first had an ev charging was free! It's still cheaper to own an ev even if long road trips are more expensive than diesel (which is ridiculous) because home charging is much cheaper than the road trip, diesel always costs the same.
Here is my math from the Southern United States where gas prices are currently around $3.10 per (US) Gallon. Just for comparison sake, your 76.83 GBP is 101.52 USD at today's exchange rate. You put in 187 Kwh on your trip. I've seen folks say that Supercharging in the USA averages anywhere from .32 to .35 cents per Kwh. So your trip in the USA would have been between $59.84 and $65.45 USD or roughly 45 GBP Comparing a 600 Mile trip in the Southeastern USA to other popular cars I got these numbers. 2025 Toyota Camry Hybrid $40.03 USD/30.30 GBP --- EPA Hwy Mileage of 48 MPG 2024 Toyota RAV4 (non-hybird) $51.64 USD/39.08 GBP --EPA Hwy Mileage of 36 MPG 2024 Mazda CX-5 $62.00 USD/46.92 GBP ---EPA Hwy mileage of 30 MPG 2024 Ford F-150 V-8 Pickup Truck $77.50 USD /58.65 GBP -- EPA Hwy mileage of 24 MPG (I will believe it when I see it). It is really crazy that driving a F-150 V8 in the USA is cheaper on a road trip than driving a Tesla in the UK. Even is the F-150 only actually got 20 Mpg for 600 Miles it would still be less than the $101.52 that you paid for this trip. That must really suck for the folks in the UK who need a pickup truck for work. This tell me three things: 1. Both Gas and Supercharging prices in the UK suck when compared to the southeastern USA. Out on the West Coast of the USA the price of Gas and supercharging is higher but I don't think it is as nears as high as the UK prices. 2. Currently, the Price (in the Southeastern USA) of supercharging a Model Y is about the same as buying gas for a car that gets 30 Mpg. 3. To really get a benefit from owning a Tesla you must charge at home. For instance. where I live residential electricity is 10 cents per Kwh (one of the lowest rates in the USA). That 187 Kwh you used would have costed me $18.70 USD/14.15 GBP if I used those 187 Kwh in local driving. With a Tesla (or other EV) I could drive 1000 Miles a month (locally) for around $30 USD/22 GBP of electricity. Then on road trips the price of a Model Y is basically the equivalent of an ICE car that gets 30 Mpg. Just a couple of other notes: In the USA most diesel vehicles are Trucks that are designed to haul or tow heavy loads. You will find very few diesel sedans or small SUV's in the USA. In the USA the price of diesel is higher than gasoline by a pretty good bit. If Gas is $3.00 a gallon then Diesel will be $3.70 or more.
I just completed a 2500 mile trip western USA, in my Tesla that cost $266 in SC fees. Using a per g of $3.50, In my 15mpg car it would have cost me $583 at a minimum. In my 28mpg car it would be $312. I went west and gas prices were greater than $3.50. Additionally traveling solo allowed me to camp in the car, so lodging fees were at most, $40 per night. I stayed at tent sites, not RV sites, so never charged overnight. I used FSD, I didn’t need an oil change when I got home. But like another commenter said, I bought the car for the tech, the fun, the adventure.
Are you including tax in your US calculations? I know you guys tend not to when comparing prices as it varies by state, but we always include tax when discussing UK prices.
@@bluenova1000 yes, that includes taxes. I saw gas for $2.74 a gallon at Walmart this morning. That is for the least expensive gas. Brand name stations like BP, Chevron, and Texaco tend to be around 20 cents more per gallon. I stay away from those if possible. I also live in an area with very inexpensive gas. I went to another state last week and it was around 3.50 per gallon.
@@bluenova1000 US pump price includes all sales taxes and road taxes. There are signs allowing you to back-calculate the actual fuel cost, but Americans tend to be to lazy to do the math, incapable of doing the math or just don't care. 😁
I drove from Cork in Ireland to Cornwall in a model 3 rwd just two stops which were about refueling us as well as the car and it was finished filling up before we were. Prices varied from 55p down to just over 30p . There was no drama and it was my first experiences doing a long journey on Superchargers. It was so very easy!
Ian after watching your channel I took delivery of a MY performance 4 weeks ago. I can give a realistic comparison as i did my normal 715 mile journey from Manchester to Whitstable in Kent via Heathrow. The total cost for the trip was £64.08. This comprised of charging to 100% at home on Octopus, a stop at Rugby services superchargers the on to Whitstable where I used the on street charger overnight before doing the return journey via Heathrow back via Rugby superchargers. Previously I had a VW Touareg which averaged about 37mpg and have done this journey plenty of times. It was always a tank and a half of diesel and the journey normally cost me about £130 so the Tesla is comfortably 50% cheaper. I think the above is more realistic as most people will start their journey with 100% charge from home so can benefit from the low cost for the first charge. I also know my Touareg with thirsty and people will say their diesel Polo will do 74mpg but you need to compare something like a model Y performance to a higher end car than this, it’s more like a fast Audi/BMW/Mercedes so the 35 to 40mpg is good for comparison
He did say this was a return trip, so we have to assume that the ev, phev and the diesel would be empty/ish so would have to refuel before leaving. You weren't specific (iirc) about having to do that in both ice cars. That would make the total cost a bit higher. Also the 5p a litre increase is very generous. I recently did a trip to Edinburgh and the services price for petrol versus the supermarkets was at least 20p higher when I stopped at Abington.
Most long road trips would start with home charging, dramatically reducing the Tesla costs compared to petrol/diesel. Your trip was a Tesla worst-case scenario, and still slightly cheaper than diesel.
That's exactly what I also noticed. Beside that who drives such long distance for majority of the year. More realistic scenario would be driving from home to work and around the town while charging off-peak (overnight) at £0.14p.
This is one trip and for most trips I would be withing the range of my EV and would charge at home. So long trips cost about the same as any other fuel version, but then for most trips it is massively cheaper. Great to know!!!
Thank you for this comparison - I like the fact you were unbiased, and to the point of a realistic usage of an electric vehicle. Very clear to understand :)
I don't get how people think this is the main thing that matters about EV's, most driving isn't done on road trips and most charging is done at home. You can check the app and see how much you charge where and calculate that in, average price per km of the Tesla should easily be over 33,33% cheaper then what you get on average on a single trip using superchargers only. Price of 50p/kWh, vs 15p/kWh at home (depending on getting the right plan, with solar you can go lower) is a huge difference. I don't mind people making these videos, because others claim you can't go on long trips or that is more expensive, but people never seem to explicitly state you can do the first full charge to start and the last charge at home, you don't have to come home with a full battery. I wish more time was spent on price per km, over lifetime of he car and not comparing the most expensive prices with fossils fuels prices (mostly not even on the highway prices, where things get more expensive).
So true. It’s the main reason I bought a PHEV. I can travel locally for next to nothing. The longer journeys use petrol, but this is cheaper than an EV being charged at motorway service station ridiculously high prices.
Thanks Iain. I’m Toronto and just north of Toronto, I had to do some supercharging due to sidewalk replacement. It cost me 50¢ CDN per kWh (about £0.28 GBP) in evenings. A better comparison is done in the Tesla phone app. Over the past year with our usual mostly home charging on low cost evenings and weekend/holidays, we’ve consumed 2372 kWh that cost about $350 CDN and the gas equivalent is estimated at $1522 CDN. Our Model Y saved us $1172 CDN (£660 GBP). 😎
Well I “just got my Tesla” early last month. Model y performance after watching your videos. From Cleethorpes have been to London twice, The Cairngorms for a hol and many other long trips. It’s unbelievable how cheap it is to run. I never realised until I sat down and worked it out. Keep up the good videos Ian you definitely helped convince me!
I think what destroyed your calculation was the charge stop at 55p. If the price there had been at 40p, you would've been around GBP 18 instead of 28. It's not that the Volvo was surprisingly cheap it was that your Tesla trip was surprisingly expensive.
I am about to get my first ev in October and found this video very interesting, I will mainly travelling locally so will be charging at home topping up off peak electricity, the cost of some of theses charges are quite expensive 69p per kW, I see the tesla super chargers are more reasonable although not getting a tesla although can other makes of car use them at the same price , am very new to ev so any advice would be great as am hoping to travel to Cornwall from Liverpool at some point
I find public charging EV is about the same price as Petrol / Diesel, so if you can charge at home, on a cheap off-peak tariff, then it is only the long journeys that will be "same as ICE", the rest will be cheaper. And no filling up at smelly forecourts. Tesla Superchargers (for non-Tesla cars) is only as cheap as Tesla owners if you get a subscription. And you will only want to pay subscription if you have to use public charging a lot. But non-subscription Tesla is still typically cheaper than competitors.
Define "long trips". I did a very long trip (much longer than most people's "long trip" tolerance) and used the most extreme anti-EV way to cost this as I could. And it was still cheaper. Factor in the vast savings for most people on almost every trip they do, and EVs offer significant savings. Not that you FUDers care...
@@deplorablechump8758 Why does it matter if it costs slightly more to do a long journey in an EV than a petrol/diesel? Although it never has for me. The rest of most people's EV driving is at such an embarrassingly low cost that the overall cost of "fuel" is no more than half of an equivalent ICE and more likely 15% - 20%. In fact the total electricity bill for my house, including charging two EVs and all our heating, plus the public charging when on long journeys, is significantly less than it would cost to run my previous 1.5TSi Skoda Karoq for my typical 23k miles per year; and that's ignoring the contribution from solar PV.
Last long trip I took in the United States. Ohio to South Carolina and back in May 2024. What's hard to price in is AP/FSD which handled 95% of the driving: Total trip distance: 1,247 miles Total SuC charging cost: $112.38 Total kWh added at SuC: 290 kWh Avg SuC cost per kWH: $0.39 Home charging before departure: $3.21 Total: $115.59 Cost per mile (cents): $.0927 Gas comparison: Prices seen on trip ranged from $3.16 to $3.69. Eight prices noted averaged $3.38/gallon Gas Car averaging: 42/mpg @ $3.38/gallon = $100.43 32/mpg @ $3.38/gallon = $131.71 25/mpg @ $3.38/gallon = $168.59
595 miles for me in my S3 using V-Power is £142.80 and includes my CEL showing on the dashboard at the moment 😂 Thx for the video and information whilst with family. Taking time to film is appreciated 👍🏻
@@SWR112 just done 815 miles at a total average 31.6mpg for the whole 9 days we’ve been touring. Various roads and enough 20 and 30mph and shocking country lanes often down to one lane. So no it’s not poor at all.
Great comparison. This clearly spells out the difference in long trips. I guess the real kicker is the mix of regular commuting and long range trips. In Australia it’s estimated 90% of your driving is regular commuting. So this would mean you should be able to charge at much lower costs at home for around 90% of your driving. The PHEV and diesel however remain much the same in cost regardless of the trip length. Also presumably, when you add in maintenance costs the gap becomes even bigger, making the argument on cost even more compelling for the Tesla.I don’t own a Tesla …….yet, but you are making a pretty compelling point …. Just get a Tesla!😊
We have driven to the alps to ski for decades. Its about 12 hours, door-to-door. With ICE we did one long run, a driver swap every 2 - 3 hours, a stop for lunch - probably a bit less than an hour. We were young then, and arrived knackered! Now we are old! and we do it in EV. We stop for an hour to have a NICE lunch! (and charge 10% - 100%) and make 3 additional 20 minute charging stops. We stretch our legs, have a coffee ... it takes us an hour longer, and we arrive in much better shape than when we were young!! / driving ICE. We always knew we should stop with ICE but we could never persuade ourselves to do it. Now with EV we have no choice ... and get the benefit. Also, we start from home, so leave with 100% so don't need to charge for the first 3 hours. If we overnight to break our journey we charge there, and that saves an hour of charging too ... at which point there is very little difference in journey time.
The real benefit of an EV is when you can fill it up at home, starting with a trip with full battery of really cheap electricity and when doing your normal community entirely on really xheap electricity. I have a Model Y that I, during the spring, summer and fall, charge in the weekends and during the winter need to add a little extra during the week.
I'm retired, charge at home when electrical rates are lowest. By running my dishwasher during that same period, my electric bill didn't go up at all, actually goes down if I also run the clothes dryer right before going to bed.
I must say, a well rounded explanation of costs and stops.Pretty honest to be fare. Although I did think the diesel was a little low on average MPG. I do a lot of long distance driving (and my 2013 Astra estate) easily does between 58 - 64 MPG (even when loaded up) I suppose everyone’s and everything’s different.
I have a small 12v fridge & camping stove in the boot. On long trips (usually to go camping), while charging, I make a cuppa & healthy sandwich..If another EVer stops for a chat, I pour them a cuppa too. I have to be quick though because it doesn’t take long to charge.
Very interesting video. I am considering an EV for my next car. However I currently have a Renault Arkana self charging hybrid which can do 600 miles plus on a full tank of fuel so effectively that makes it possible to do the the trip you just did on under £65 of fuel based on the cost of my last fill up. Driving that distance we would have had to have stopped about the same amount of time as you did for leg stretches and dog walking etc so time wise we would be on a par but cost wise I win. 👍🏼. Still thinking of an EV next though. Don’t know if it will be a Tesla though as I like the Mustang Mach E for looks better.
The way I look at it, assuming you have off road parking / home charging and a good off-peak tariff (and maybe Solar PV too), then all home-charged miles are cheap, and any long distance miles are "similar to Petrol /Diesel" which, overall for me, means EV miles are cheaper. I've done circa 200K EV miles since 2015 ... and I much prefer driving EV to ICE, so there is that too. Quieter, less tiring than ICE on longer journeys, and so on.
Don't buy EV if you are going to travel 250 miles for more than 60 days in a year. If you are driving around the city and to shops than the EV is perfect choice.
@@mk-77 Not sure why that would make a difference? On days when I am out-of-range I charge to 100% before departure so the first X-Miles are at my Off Peak rate, and then remainder are at Public rates. My real-world range is more than 250 miles, but let's assume I fill up at 250 miles to have some contingency; I just need enough public charging to "get home". So I am only paying premium for those excess miles.
Interesting, thank you. When looking at overall cost of EV v ICE, 2 things: normal use of a car with home charging reduces cost by over a half for EV and non Tesla EV increases cost by up to double en route!
Public charging is getting better - an awful lot of chargers going in. But it’s still a bit of a lottery about which ones are working and what the price is. I just charged up overnight at a hotel - 25p a kWh which is great!
What would be a good would be to see how much those recharges would have been for non Tesla EV's using the more expensive charge stations so you can show the added advantage of owning the Tesla and their supercharger network, I know some are open to all now but still not as cheap as a Tesla owner and just for fun how much the petrol & diesel costs would have been if filling up at the service stations astronomical prices.
If you would kept the wheel cover caps you would saved at least 6-7£. I made this month a 800 mile trip with Tesla model Y, drove at night and avoided peak charging costs and it costed me 82€ (69.5£).
I have a Peugeot partner van which I get 80% =. 150 miles 50 kw battery and tells me to recharge at 60 miles =20%. The lowest I’ve let it get is 28 miles and it tells me to charge immediately. Fill takes 30 to 40mins on 150kw charger and the cost per kw hr is 76p to 80p So Teslas are still the best but any other ev is useless and impossible to carry out your journey Interesting video thanks thought you might find helpful.I wish Tesla made a van it would be a lifesaver cheers
Vans really do expose the issues. Paid not much more than the cost of 10 of these trips to buy a MWB diesel outright and it will do 50mpg+ extra urban. Ironically decimating the power generation system for the green cause has set back EV adoption with the electricity pricing for way from home charging and over time home charging is going to be nowhere near as cheap if more homes are forced down the heat pump route.
Interesting comparison video. We never stop at services, always plan our stops at country parks where walk our dog and visit tea room. So we don't want to plan our trip around fast chargers. Admittedly we're not in a hurry. So ev not for me.
Nice video. My Toyota Prius PHEV does 9p/mile, so this journey would cost me £54. From this video, it is safe for me to conclude that, if your journey is more than the range of the EV, it is cheaper to go with an efficient hybrid/PHEV than an EV including Telsa.
No. You can normally charge at home (mine is 1.7p per mile), and the maintenance costs of a PHEV are way higher. I reckon 95% of my miles are home-charger miles
Yes, if you can charge at home, using EV within the city makes most sense. Maintenance of PHEV is not alot. My annual service is £150 @ halford. I charge my PHEV to at home and for free at tesco pod point. If you compare the overall cost of ownership (insurance, depreciation, unscheduled maintenance, tires), hybrids/PHEVs cost less to own than Evs even if the electricity is free for the EVs.
Interesting. I went down to Heathrow yesterday and diesel was about 145.9 and in the midlands it's about the same or a bit less so depending where you fill up it would be close. I go up to Gairloch area for holiday but any EV I can afford is too small for the families needs and wouldn't have the range to do what we want.
Interesting, but I'm not sure you got your sums right. You are adding the cost of charging at Dartford which was essentially adding the cost of whatever you did before you charged there. To get the cost of the trip you should ignore that £16.50 and add whatever you needed to get it back to 100% at home. £60.27 + 130 miles and charging at home - which should be between £2.30 and £7.80 depending on your tariffs - £62.50 to £68 at most.
No, I fill up with electricity before I set off and consume that. Why would I not count that? I am burning supercharger power at supercharger prices, not electricity added at home after I get back. And I have an NCM battery, so I don’t charge to 100% at home
@@justgetatesla you would 'count' it but unless you begin with 100% and then recharge to 100% at the destination you don't accurately know the consumption (or cost) of your trip as you are measuring/paying for the trip before the one you are looking at!
Ian, the electricity you add at home is to top-up that which has already been consumed , so is not relevant to your forthcoming trip. During your trip, the first top-up will be to replace the energy you have used from leaving home so the cost incurred is for that energy you have consumed from leaving home to tour first charge thereafter. Similarly at the end of your trip, topping-up at your home is replenishing the energy that you have used since the last top-up at the last charger....the cost of this energy is therefore at your home energy rate.
We own 2 EVs here in New Zealand. We pay an extra per km tax (Road User Charge - RUC) for driving on the roads. This is to make up for the fact that we do not pay duty/tax taken at the petrol pump. Diesel has been like this since the 70s, and now both EVs and Diesel pay the same RUC. If the UK had the same system as us and the same cost, then you would have needed to add an extra £34.56 to your costs making the trip in the Tesla £111.39. Due to a mistake by our government, PHEVs pay half the RUC of EVs. Hybrids don't pay any RUC and are taxed per litre of fuel in the same way as normal petrol vehicles. If you're hybrid does 4L/100km, then that is 60% less duty/tax than an EV or Diesel. EV owners here a really hoping the government move everyone over to RUC sooner rather than later. Looks like your public charging costs are the same as us here, so the 158kWh would cost the equivalent of £75.
@@Chris-be1fo At each annual WoF/MoT. If the odometer reading is higher than the end reading on the Road User Charge label then you need to buy more. If the police randomly stop you and happen to check ,then it's a fine.
Octopus energy is giving me electricity at 3p/Kwh tonight. I get at least 4 miles/Kwh. So less than 1p per mile for fuel. My wife's Merc costs about 18p per mile at the moment 😮
My travels in southwest USA have an anecdotal cost of $0.42/kwh. Gas in the same area is about $3.50/gallon. No way i am ever going back to gas. BEVs make road trips much more fun.
Hi, in Quebec Canada we have Diesel at the same price as petrol. By the way, we are going to be in London the first two weeks of September. If you are in the neighbor don't be a stranger.
If you charged Tesla at home overnight before the journey it would be £7 less which is £70 in total. For regular day trips to work and shops for the same number of kW/h charging at home off-peak it would cost only £26.32 (which is £55 cheaper than diesel). For most people and most situations charging at home would be more meaningful comparison.
If you regularly drive 600 miles, then you perhaps need to consider looking at subscriptions to various charging networks. These can reduce charging costs by up to 30%.....
On my very occasional forays away from home my LEAF works out at 18 pence per mile using Gridserve at 79p/Kwh. At home it works out at 1.80pence per mile. The petrol car it replaced cost 13 pence per mile . Make of that what you will. However since around 90% of my useage is at 1.8ppm the savings are worthwhile. Last year I only managed 22633 miles, whilst this year it is 15339 miles so far. I make that an average cost per mile of 3.2pence overall. (£1230.3 over 37972 miles) My ICE car would have cost £4936.36p over the same mileage(approx)
I think an additional test would be to buy each of those cars at the same time and to then sell each after 3 years to the know what the real cost of motoring in them was. Servicing, road tax, average fuel costs over similar distances, tyres and depreciation. eg. 2021 Model 3 Long Range was about 50k new and now sells used for 20k after 3 years.
Yeah good point. If you bought it new that 25k loss is a big hit. However that is often the case when you buy any new car. But that’s I opted for a second hand model 3. The savings then make it a non brainer.
@@ar6904 I think that because the EV market is finally developing at a very fast rate, that buying new at any time, is going to cost dearly. 30k loss over 3 years, on a 50k car, is too much of a loss and if that is left unmanaged as pure profit for producers, it will eventually fall on governments to support the market and that will require enormous taxation. Basically taxpayers will be funding private car makers.
@@LysanderLH That's true, early adopters paid dearly. I feel the cost is going to drop significantly over the next few years making evs comparable to ice cars. As in a rough comparison of what type and size of vehicle. I remember the day I bought my first computer. It was an ultra fast Pentium computer and cost me $4500. Can you imagine the computer I would get for that amount of money now? You do raise a good point and for early adopters, it would have worked out more expensive. It's those people however, that would have helped everyone else, to own a similar car at a way cheaper price. I can see myself buying my first Ev within the next few years. I understand that EVs don't suit everyone's needs but for me, living in my own home with a large solar system, it would be a sensible move.
With prices of new EV falling then will make the second hand even cheaper as well. As the manufactuting curve improves and in theory the cost of EV comes down then going to make depreciation worse. However unless people would rather keep the EV prices higher which going to lose the benefit of the lower EV price long term, then people will have to suck up the depreciation.
Prices change. I bought the Volvo pre-registered from the dealership. Reduced from £50k to £33k. I then sold it a few years later for just under £17k. Massive massive depreciation which does not prove that diesels depreciate badly. It’s just how the market was at the time. And the Outlander? I doubled the mileage and sold it for only £500 less than I bought it for. No depreciation at all which does not prove that petrol hybrids depreciate very slowly. It’s just how the market was at the time. So I genuinely giggle at the “EVs depreciating fast” FUD.
Just did Chicago to Orlando. Cost just over 245$ ROUND trip. My premium gas Q7 would have been near 700$ so to me Tesla and ev charging for trips vs $500 a seat plane tickets or a premium gas car winner is EV..
@@alltechthings9506 I disagree the curb weight for a MY is about 4400lbs and Q7 is only 600lbs more. So I feel they are comparable also what’s comparable is what you have in your garage. Other people’s experiences might vary and that’s fine. This would have been my experience. As well in the US we do t have a huge diesel market for people buying cars new and the used market is drying up for those cars quickly also. Also the 500$ a seat plane cost is not gonna ever go down only up here in US.
Interesting comparison. Neither of your previous cars was that frugal largely due to weight. The outlander is carrying a heavy battery and the volvo is a big car. Nice car. Rather like the s90/V90. My petrol golf estate can easily do 53mpg on a long trip. Whereas i suspect something like a Passat diesel might do 60mpg. That would make the comparison closer. However for short trips with home charging the Tesla will be a lot cheaper to run. How often do you do a long trip. If buying new it's convincing. When it comes to replacing my used car I'm also factoring in monthly costs and insurance. That tesla supercharger network and very competitive pricing makes it much nicer than most other brands. Gridserve will charge much more.
The other two cars are great examples because it’s real - those were my last two cars, and they were in a similar size category to the Tesla. I had a BMW 5-series diesel in 2011 and that did 47mpg so I know the average fuel consumption for the Volvo isn’t ridiculous
That's true. Similar driving style/conditions. Very good economy for that sized car. I think the main thing that comes out of this is that Tesla supercharger is very good value compared to most other motorway charging points. It's a big advantage if you do a lot of long trips.
I would agree although am about to get a car through mobility and the cost of a full electric to petrol is minimal, I be doing mainly local miles so hope charging on off peak electric is a seller for me as at the moment putting £80 ish a month in my diesel fiesta , think its about £6 charge and they claim 360 miles but even if I get 300 I be happy. I would agree electric cars even if they are coming down in price are too expensive for the general public
Hi Ian, love the channel and you are one of the reasons I bought my first Tesla 4 weeks ago, a new SR Model 3 and loving it. Thank you. During your long journeys do you pre-heat the battery prior to charging using trip planner or not? Just wondered how much of a difference it would make and how much energy it uses to pre-heat the battery? I've only charged from home so far so I'm yet to use the supercharger network. Keep up the good work!
Good question! I do set departure times sometimes which will heat the battery and warm / cool the car. Not sure it makes a big difference to efficiency
Ian, apologies, I think you misunderstood my question slightly. I meant do you use the Trip Planner so the car preconditions the battery just prior to the supercharger sites you stopped at so that it charges at the fastest rate?
Golf diesel will cover over 650+ miles on a tank. So it would beat the Tesla on price for this trip but you did not factor the cost of servicing in. The Tesla would have very little servicing costs, no oil changes for the engine and gearbox. So the Tesla takes some beating overall.
" we have got all of these ABB units as well, I have no idea what speed these get " says while passing the sign on the side of the charger up to 180kw 🤣
Glad you were looking! Of course then the quest is what speed can the car take? A lot of EVs are absurdly slow with the onboard charger. And don’t get me started on charging as an “option” to get viable charging speeds.
THE....one thing, that's stopping me getting an EV...is the initial cost of purchasing the vehicle. I'm retired, so leasing etc doesn't interest me. As morbid as it sounds, our next car will most probably be our last, so to pay 40, 50 or 60K for one is not on. If we DID go for leasing....the 3-500pm would wipe out our monthly pensions, so it's got to be, dipping into our savings to fund our next car....
Or buy used. I bought a 6 month old ev to replace my 2021 ev and it cost me less than my new car did in 2021. And was less than the £40k you mentioned there.
Just got my pensioners bus pass last month here in Manchester, UK so I'm with you re the cost of purchase, however I decided to put £5,750 down as deposit plus 2K for my 14 year old car and the balance on a two year PCP at at £157pm on a used 2021 Tesla 3 with 11800 miles on the clock (has the manufactures warranty as standard plus 12 months p&l warranty through Teslas. I'm hoping to save 50% on my fuel cost, £410pa on road tax (however that may change in 2025 i.e. will then be £190 pa). That said my insurance will increase by £300 and a wall charger is £600 both of these negate the fuel savings in the first year at least, so why am I buying it? Simply to experience a Tesla and if it turns out that the hype and the ride aren't great then I'll trade her in and go back to Petrol. One last thing. I considered a used Nissan Qashqai (Tekna with all the toys inc heads up display) but it would cost the same as the Tesla 3 with twice the milage and cost as much to insure and tax. We shall see how it all turns out! NB if your going to buy, its wise to consider GAP insurance eg back to invoice in case of disaster...
@@mrpauly01 if the tesla doesn't pan out then there are other EVs, you don't need to go back to petrol. My tesla experience was very poor but I'm delighted with the ev I replaced it with. There is no way I'd go back to petrol.
I'm retired too, but I wanted to at least have the experience of owning an EV. If you don't like it you can always return back to an ice car and continue to deliberately poison people from the carcenogenic toxins that spews out on every journey. A brand new Teska model Y, the best selling car globally can currently be had for £299 a month direct from Tesla...a no brainer imo. Or, as others have said, buy a good pre-used one with low miles and a lengthy warranty. Rather sit on the fence....or make a rash decision, why not test drive one? Test driving a tesla is easy, you take it on your own without any tedious wittering in your ear from a salesman, no sitting at the table drinking coffee when you return listening to the hard sell from the sales man...hand in the key and go home to consider your next move. It really is that easy.
The aspect that you also have to figure in is maintenance and road tax across the three cars, with the Tesla still coming out as the cheapest running costs by a significant margin.
Good points! The Outlander and Volvo both paid “luxury car tax”. So £460 (I think) a year in tax vs £0 for the Tesla. And maintenance? Hundreds per service on both of those, no service for Tesla
@@justgetatesla Car tax for EVs is going to be the same as for ICE cars as from April 2025 (including the "luxury car tax" for new ones bought after that date). Insurance seems to be a bit of a stinger, too...
Teslas I'm informed will need new brakes annualy (is that true?) and other small replacements eg filters, combined that cost as much as an annual ICE service, then the fact that it burns through tyres at a much quicker rate which cost more to replace which somewhat negates the argument that EVs are cheaper to maintain.....
@@mrpauly01 Tesla brakes last *years* (because they are rarely used - so much so that Tesla even had to incorporate a "brake burnishing" routine in the onboard service menus that you can use if the discs get too scabby). The routine servicing on these cars consists of stripping and cleaning/lubing the brake calipers every couple of years, cabin air filter replacement at the same intervals and brake fluid replacement about every four years. And that's about it until you get to very high mileages (100k-ish) when the transmission gearbox oil is supposed to be renewed. Short tyre life is almost entirely a function of the driver's right foot (the astonishing acceleration can be habit-forming...) but there are plenty of folks out there who easily get 40k+ out of their tyres simply by not hoofing it everywhere. Everyone I know who owns one (including me) says the running costs are lower than pretty much any car they've ever owned. It's the Standing costs (ie depreciation and insurance) that are the elephant in the room.
@@mrpauly01nope, Teslas have one-pedal driving. Thr regerative braking of the motors bring the car to a stop (unless it is an emergency) My last Tedla model 3 had covered just under 60k miles when I traded it for my model Y. The brake pads or disks had never been replaced. It had 1 set of tyres in my ownership, getting to the lower end of their limit when traded, but still had probable 3 months wear left. And no servicing at all to do, not even to maintain warranty as here us no service schedule implemented by tesla.
Even if electricity became more expensive than fossils , I’d keep my Tesla because my lungs would thank me for not polluting the air. My ears would thank me for not making much noise. My eyes would thank me for not making them strain to see through smog. My hands would thank me for not making them clean around fiddly shaped dashboard controls.
China consumed over 4 billion tonnes of coal in 2023, with over 50 million tonnes shipped from Australia.......with OIL. Have you stopped to consider the lungs and eyes of well over a billion Chinese citizens, helping enable this transition, or is that not any of your concern, being so far away?
@@BROOMEngineeringTMIET The cities are clearing because the Chinese are switching to EVs. But your point on burning coal to generate electricity is a good one.
@@Chris-be1fo you do understand that a considerable proportion of that coal burning is because other countries have off-shored their manufacturing, and dumped their emissions in China, including making many of they 'green' products? China was also responsible for around 95% of the world's new coal power construction activity last year. But as long as your lungs and eyes okay.........
New to Tesla (2021 model 3 RWD standard +).. how on earth does one manage the duel heating controls? I don't seem to be able to turn off or control the passenger side when there is someone like my Mrs is riding shotgun who hates the cold. Surly a £40k has duel climate control...... cheers.
To compare length of time charging, what is the kWh of those superchargers. Here in the USA, there are V2s of 150kWh, and V3s of 250kWh. The V2's share power every 2 stalls, and they have a silver ring where the handle meets the cable (a quick way to distinguish them). Is that the same in the UK? Charging prices are the same for V2s and V3s. Here in the NorthEast superchargers are about 39-42 cents/kWh. On a cross-country trip they seem to be 35-38 cents/kWh. Gas prices have been between $3.30-$3.50/gallon(USA). Charging my Tesla Y/LR home charging is about 1/3 the price of gas per mile driven, and only a tiny bit less cost on a long road trip supercharging vs. my Honda CRV (33mpg on highway).
Great question. All these tombstones are V3 250kW. In the UK you can spot a V2 (120 or 130 kW shared) because they have 2 cables - one CCS, one old style Tesla Type 2. We don’t have the US connector at all
I didn't buy my EV because I thought it would save me vast amounts of money, I bought it because it's modern, fast, efficient, clean, quiet, and helps put us all on a path towards zero carbon, which no fossil fuelled vehicle will ever be able to do
@@CJMVector321190 I know battery manufacturing creates a lot of emissions, as does shipping, but that misses my point, if we stick with petrol or diesel, there is simply no way to become zero carbon because the vehicles themselves create emissions, electric and battery powered transport moves the emissions to manufacturing which can eventually become zero carbon itself, that's the real reason why EVs are considered greener, because they the best path forward to a zero carbon future that we have
I bought an EV because my 14yo ICE had kicked the bucket. Everything in the £5-10k secondhand market reminded me of the car I just scrapped - old, high mileage, potential MOT problems. I could have found a decent ICE for that money if I wasn’t insistent on an auto this time. A 3.5yo LEAF jumped out at me. Had no idea what I was buying in to. No possibility of home charging. But 3yo auto and no combustion engine MOT issue - got to be worth the punt. So far zero regrets.
@@karlwest437 Zero carbon is impossible. The whole of the UK is gonna get slammed by ‘crisis’ rubbish when the largest places on earth won’t give a damn. Also, the only saving on an EV now is charging vs fuel costs. No government incentive to own one; pay VED from next year; far more expensive than petrol cars; charging network absolutely disgusting in UK so the only one I want is a Tesla with no way to home charge, so here we are back to, far more expensive than petrol. So no incentive whatsoever to swap to one. The UK is only playing at having EV’s.
@@karlwest437 EVs are a global scam by virtue signalling governments. In the real world they have no total eco credentials superior to ICE, indeed it can be shown that they can produce more overall emissions during their lifetime. You will do more to save the planet ( ignoring the fantasy of net zero) by buying a less expensive hybrid and putting the money saved over a high priced EV into such as solar panels. Legacy car makers don’t want to make them, dealers don’t want to sell them and, on the whole, customers don’t want them either. There are a herd of elephants in the room when it comes to the downsides of buying and/or using one. Remember Betamax, mini discs and sandwich toasters, get ready for EVs to be on that list within 5 years or so!
Have you factored in your time? If it takes you 30 mins to charge a tesla and 2 minutes to fill a diesel car, have you factored in your hourly rate. My hourly rate in 59.87, so that 5 quid gets tucked up and overshadowed very quickly.
I charge when I would need a break anyway. BTW why is the FUD challenge always something absurd like “2 minutes to fill a diesel”. Really? You can leave the road, pull into the filling station, switch the car off, get out, get your card authenticated, pump fuel, get your receipt, get back in and drive off in 2 minutes? No, you can’t
So what’s the issue? If I’m driving far enough to need to charge, I would need to stop whether I still had a diesel. Motorway services car parks full of mechanical vehicles all stopped because the humans need to stop. It’s always the same nonsensical argument about charging taking ages. I’ve videos shot on trip after trip after trip where the car is ready to go before I am.
Most of my long trips are work. Practically nobody does 5 hour legs, so your usage isn’t exactly normal. And btw I spent 20 years on the road travelling for work, so it’s hardly like I don’t know what I’m talking about. None of my employers would have been at all happy with 5 hour legs, and now I work for myself (as it sounds like you do) I wouldn’t do that now either.
Not really - a PHEV has only a very small battery (the Outlander gives an electric-only range of about 30 miles), so even if you charged it to Full before setting off, after 30 miles of electric running it becomes just a regular hybrid, using the battery to eke out the maximum efficiency of the ICE. The difference to range/economy by fully charging before a 600 mile trip is insignificant.
@@Manu-P8 Even on a long journey where the only fuel used is petrol/diesel, there's still some significant benefit from the electric motor and battery, just as there is with a "mild" hybrid like the original Prius. Firstly there's some regenerative braking, allowing kinetic energy to be recovered for re-use, but it also allows the ICE to be used in the most economical way (eg no great slug of fuel needed whenever you accelerate or climb a short hill).
I did intermittent fasting. Only ate between 1PM and 7PM-ish. Zero calories outside that (no milk in tea even). I felt a bit peckish mid afternoon, so I wound up having 3 meals a day, same as before, but only within that window. Weight fell off slowly, but steadily (I lost about 15kg). And once I was done I had a ready-made maintenance diet, so no yo-yo dieting. Now, if I put a few pounds on, I just cut out anything outside 1PM -7PM for a bit and it sorts itself out, and that habit is now well established, for me. Also, enabled me to live a normal social life eating lunch / supper with friends and not being a pain "I can only eat lettuce leaves this week"!
This really is a worst case for the Tesla. It's usually possible to start a trip with a full battery from a slow overnight charge and arrive with a low state of charge. You didn't do either on this trip which could have been a 40 or 50% reduction in supercharging. It's good to know it's better or comparable to ICE, even when the above is not possible.
@@justgetatesla On the contrary, you do need to add the cost percentage on a single trip, this gets complicated as only some of the costs can be easily allocated on a per mile basis.
The cost of Diesel and Petrol is highly scrutinised and it’s advertised large at the petrol Station and there’s a lot of competition from Supermarkets Electricity isn’t You end up at the charger that your Satnav sends you to and you never know how much it will be
In addition to Tesla SuperCharger pricing in the app, US DC FastCharger stations are starting to not just display the current price per KWH, they show the upcoming changes, like 7PM $0.22 10 PM $0.11, 6AM $0.33 etc so you can decide to stop and have dinner or whatever before charging to get the lower rate.
Not true...you DO have a choice of chargers. You can opt for using the more expensive ones at £0.79 per kWh, or select one that costs £0.30p kWh....or £0.07p per kWh charging at home, or even less if you have solar system installed. Actually I get my car charging for FREE from Octopus energy due to having their intelligent and export tariffs....it costs £0.07p to import electricity...however they pay me £0.15p for my exported energy.
Price is completely irrelevant on sporadic journeys. When I need to fill up or charge I pull into the first service station. Food choice is far more important to me 😂
You haven't taken into account the cost of depreciation or insurance. I bought my 2003 Yaris in 2009 for £3,000. It costs about £200 a year for maintenance and £300 for insurance. Depreciation must be less than £200 per year even if the car is now worth nothing. It has a range of 500 miles and does 60mpg on a long trip. If anyone can show an example of owning an EV which is as cheap to run as this I would be happy to consider buying one.
The other big cost these EVangelists don't seem to take into account is the cost of battery degradation. A $20K battery that lasts 10 years or 100K miles has a cost of $2K/yr or in mileage terms $0.20/mile. That adds 120 pounds to a 600 mile trip, so the Tesla's true cost of driving 600 miles is closer to 80+120=200 lbs, which pays for a lot of oil changes and petrol.
Good morning Timmy! The thing you FUDers don’t seem to take into account is that you are absolute wazzocks posting absolute guff. The battery does what? What happens to the battery on 100k miles? It stops working and has a value of zero? Who fed you this shit? You may as well be posting on here about how the Earth is flat! Do you know how absolute unhinged you sound?
@@justgetatesla It wasn't intended to be a like for like comparison. All I am saying is that if you are after low cost motoring, a second hand petrol car is the better bet. Also why is it that when anyone comes up with a point which goes against your way of thinking, you find it necessary to insult your opponent? Is this the best alternative to a polite argument you EVangelists can come up with?
Hi Philip, you’re watching MacMaster. And me. Your example is nonsensical. Park EVs completely and let’s have another example. This is Just Get an SQ7. Your response to costs is that your 20 year old A2 is cheaper. So? Not remotely the same vehicle.
WHY I'M BUYING A Tesla. Just got my pensioners bus pass last month here in Manchester, UK (age 66 and I'm retired) so I'm with you re the concerns over cost of purchase, however I decided to put £5,750 down as deposit plus 2K for my 14 year old Infinity 3lt V6 Disal car and the balance on a two year PCP at £157pm on a used 2021 Tesla 3 with 11800 miles on the clock (has the manufactures warranty as standard plus and additional 12 months p&l warranty through Teslas that starts when the manufacturers warranty ends). I'm hoping to save 50% on my fuel cost because of home charging for driving approx. 8000 miles pa (I get between 24 city driving and 28 motorway driving - average 34mpg) and £410pa on road tax (however that may change in 2025 i.e. EVs will then be £190 pa). That said my insurance will increase by £300 and a wall charger is £600 both of these negate the fuel savings in the first year at least, so why am I buying it? Simply to experience a Tesla and if it turns out that the hype and the ride aren't great then I'll trade her in and go back to Petrol. One last thing. I considered a used Nissan Qashqai (Tekna with all the toys inc heads up display) but it would cost the same as the Tesla 3 with twice the milage and cost as much to insure and tax. From a comparison running cost perspective long distance driving is no cheeper in an EV, the stopping time is longer and you don't get wet in a forecourt unlike windy wet charging stations at a service station (something to be seriously considered but is not often mentioned), so, shortish runs via home charger, then the Tesla / other EV are less expensive especially if you opt for eg an MG EV at 50% the cost of a Tesla... I shall see how it all pans out! NB if your going to buy, its wise to consider GAP insurance eg back to invoice in case of disaster.. Buy from the heart and not just the head, you only live once.
You do indeed! And on the buy from the heart comment, absolutely. The best cars I have owned have been want/need. The worst? The compromise cars bought to satisfy a financial “good deal” or “that would be really practical”
@@Eduardoramundo 1.49 last time I looked. 12 gallons is about £80 and if I do a long run at speed limit I would get c60mpg. Around town this drops to mid 40’s. Fill ups are infrequent but 650 to 750 plus miles., depending on how I am driving.
So, about 11 pence per mile fir your diesel....my Tesla equates to 1.4p per mile, that's around £10.50 for those 750 miles...plus....zero servicing costs...plus I didn't deliberately poison anyone with the carcenogenic toxins spewing out on any of my trips.
My Toyota Hybrid does nearly 60mpg and cost 15k less than the Tesla. It will easily travel 500 miles on a tank. Once everyone has switched to EVs I’m predicting that in the future electricity prices will go up (supply and demand) and petrol prices will plummet, as it did during covid. Then will ICE car sales go up again?
Personally I think that as ice vehicles fall, fuel consumption will diminish so oil companies will be increasing fuel prices in a desperate bid to maintain their profits.
@@justgetatesla but the guy isn't wasting time hanging around charging during those 500 miles or wasting effort planning where to stop or finding a charging station broken or busy is he? So, actually, range does matter. Ask all the people who clearly don't see the EV as a mass market product, just a niche one. The data is out there if you could just give it a go and read it.
Just done 859 miles in my petrol Glasgow to Duxford via a few places and back Left with car full, top up at Penrith, refill more or less Dux and top up again Penrith to comfortably get home and refilled 1mile from home. Got around 54mpg Car computer said 58mpg. Total cost £120 miles but it was on V power. I recon I could do this in a Tesla with 28 minutes charging on the way down and up from full each end. Be interesting to know what the difference would be. Your costs a bit disappointing truth be told. Is there a tesla cost road map ?
However the diesel car and the petrol car always cost that much - if not more - for driving around town when at home, whereas the Tesla can cost as little as 2p per mile, or even 0p per mile if you are able to charge it at home on Solar. So these comparisons, whilst informative, do not show the full advantages of owning an EV - assuming you can charge at home
Yes, the key to EV ownership (in the UK at least) is access to cheap rate electricity from a home charger. At peak time supercharger rates, and even more so if using non-Tesla public fast chargers, the "fuel" costs are very similar to petrol/diesel. But for many (again, in UK) owners of solar panel setups, using solar to charge an EV at home makes no financial sense, as every kWh that you put into your car is one fewer kWh that you can export to the grid. Since typical export tariffs pay up to 15p per kWh and overnight EV charging can be done for 7-8p per kWh, using that "free" solar to charge your car ends up costing you twice as much as charging from the grid... I recently did a little calculation after watching another YT video about the cost of doing longish journeys in a Tesla Model 3 LR, using their real-world energy usage figures on a 309 mile trip. It turned out that doing that trip using only expensive non-Tesla public fast chargers would cost about £45 - the same as an ICE car achieving around 46mpg. Doing it using Superchargers at an average of around 40p per kWh would cost £25 - the same as an ICE car doing 80+ mpg. If the trip could be done entirely on cheap overnight home charging, it would cost well under £5 - the same as an ICE car getting 450+ mpg...
assuming you can charge at home is very bad cuase a lot of people live in a apartment and then you have to factor in the cost of investment for installing solar pannels on your house which is often more than 40 000€
Thanks for sharing your experience. EV owners are enjoying government honeymoon subsidies at every level at this stage. Unfortunately, it won’t last for long and people will realize increased cost very quickly.
@@justgetatesla in Australia, some states are offering $6000 subsidy on purchase price, reduced yearly registration fee, plus no roads infrastructure levy. Gasoline cars owners pay 40 cents per liter roads infrastructure levy at petrol stations. Plus if you lease, 100% payment will be deducted from your gross salary, again massive tax gain. This is kind of very unfair treatment. So basically tax payers are funding EVs owners to enjoy their rides. I’m not sure for how long this will be sustainable.
Well done on another great posting and another compelling argument why I should just get a Tesla. But the one question I’d like to see you address is, how can I justify spending a significant portion of my income to support Elon Musk and his politics?
@@justgetatesla But his existence as CEO does, big time! He has made so many unfulfilled promises about Tesla EVs over the years that it is now being investigated in the US as potential fraudulent manipulation of share price. Tesla is also paying him a frankly jaw dropping bonus that he has demanded. This despite Tesla profits taking a serious nosedive recently. For the sake of Tesla owners (and nothing else) I hope the company keeps going but I think it is going to be touch and go in the medium to long term.
Part of the problem with fossil fuels is that the government taxes them to death, just wait till the government starts taxing EVs, but hopefully the air will be cleaner for our grand children cos this pollution ain't gonna go away for decades, gotta start somewhere which is good 😌
Bear in mind thats the costs for a rare very long trip. Now theres teh rest of the year cost when charging at home and mostly doing under 250 mile or less round trips. Then the tesla price becoems perhaps £5. Diesle cost stays teh same and stopping time becomes 5-10 mins once a week compared to not at all.THough really this shouldnt be the consideration, its that you arent spewing toxic fumes out the back of your car we all have to breathe in.
24kg weight loss is some serious discipline. Congratulations on a legendary achievement!
When I first had an ev charging was free! It's still cheaper to own an ev even if long road trips are more expensive than diesel (which is ridiculous) because home charging is much cheaper than the road trip, diesel always costs the same.
Here is my math from the Southern United States where gas prices are currently around $3.10 per (US) Gallon. Just for comparison sake, your 76.83 GBP is 101.52 USD at today's exchange rate.
You put in 187 Kwh on your trip. I've seen folks say that Supercharging in the USA averages anywhere from .32 to .35 cents per Kwh. So your trip in the USA would have been between $59.84 and $65.45 USD or roughly 45 GBP
Comparing a 600 Mile trip in the Southeastern USA to other popular cars I got these numbers.
2025 Toyota Camry Hybrid $40.03 USD/30.30 GBP --- EPA Hwy Mileage of 48 MPG
2024 Toyota RAV4 (non-hybird) $51.64 USD/39.08 GBP --EPA Hwy Mileage of 36 MPG
2024 Mazda CX-5 $62.00 USD/46.92 GBP ---EPA Hwy mileage of 30 MPG
2024 Ford F-150 V-8 Pickup Truck $77.50 USD /58.65 GBP -- EPA Hwy mileage of 24 MPG (I will believe it when I see it).
It is really crazy that driving a F-150 V8 in the USA is cheaper on a road trip than driving a Tesla in the UK. Even is the F-150 only actually got 20 Mpg for 600 Miles it would still be less than the $101.52 that you paid for this trip. That must really suck for the folks in the UK who need a pickup truck for work.
This tell me three things:
1. Both Gas and Supercharging prices in the UK suck when compared to the southeastern USA. Out on the West Coast of the USA the price of Gas and supercharging is higher but I don't think it is as nears as high as the UK prices.
2. Currently, the Price (in the Southeastern USA) of supercharging a Model Y is about the same as buying gas for a car that gets 30 Mpg.
3. To really get a benefit from owning a Tesla you must charge at home. For instance. where I live residential electricity is 10 cents per Kwh (one of the lowest rates in the USA). That 187 Kwh you used would have costed me $18.70 USD/14.15 GBP if I used those 187 Kwh in local driving. With a Tesla (or other EV) I could drive 1000 Miles a month (locally) for around $30 USD/22 GBP of electricity. Then on road trips the price of a Model Y is basically the equivalent of an ICE car that gets 30 Mpg.
Just a couple of other notes: In the USA most diesel vehicles are Trucks that are designed to haul or tow heavy loads. You will find very few diesel sedans or small SUV's in the USA. In the USA the price of diesel is higher than gasoline by a pretty good bit. If Gas is $3.00 a gallon then Diesel will be $3.70 or more.
I just completed a 2500 mile trip western USA, in my Tesla that cost $266 in SC fees. Using a per g of $3.50, In my 15mpg car it would have cost me $583 at a minimum. In my 28mpg car it would be $312. I went west and gas prices were greater than $3.50. Additionally traveling solo allowed me to camp in the car, so lodging fees were at most, $40 per night. I stayed at tent sites, not RV sites, so never charged overnight. I used FSD, I didn’t need an oil change when I got home. But like another commenter said, I bought the car for the tech, the fun, the adventure.
Are you including tax in your US calculations? I know you guys tend not to when comparing prices as it varies by state, but we always include tax when discussing UK prices.
@@bluenova1000 yes, that includes taxes. I saw gas for $2.74 a gallon at Walmart this morning. That is for the least expensive gas. Brand name stations like BP, Chevron, and Texaco tend to be around 20 cents more per gallon. I stay away from those if possible. I also live in an area with very inexpensive gas. I went to another state last week and it was around 3.50 per gallon.
Thanks for that!
@@bluenova1000 US pump price includes all sales taxes and road taxes. There are signs allowing you to back-calculate the actual fuel cost, but Americans tend to be to lazy to do the math, incapable of doing the math or just don't care. 😁
I drove from Cork in Ireland to Cornwall in a model 3 rwd just two stops which were about refueling us as well as the car and it was finished filling up before we were. Prices varied from 55p down to just over 30p . There was no drama and it was my first experiences doing a long journey on Superchargers. It was so very easy!
Ian after watching your channel I took delivery of a MY performance 4 weeks ago. I can give a realistic comparison as i did my normal 715 mile journey from Manchester to Whitstable in Kent via Heathrow. The total cost for the trip was £64.08. This comprised of charging to 100% at home on Octopus, a stop at Rugby services superchargers the on to Whitstable where I used the on street charger overnight before doing the return journey via Heathrow back via Rugby superchargers.
Previously I had a VW Touareg which averaged about 37mpg and have done this journey plenty of times. It was always a tank and a half of diesel and the journey normally cost me about £130 so the Tesla is comfortably 50% cheaper.
I think the above is more realistic as most people will start their journey with 100% charge from home so can benefit from the low cost for the first charge.
I also know my Touareg with thirsty and people will say their diesel Polo will do 74mpg but you need to compare something like a model Y performance to a higher end car than this, it’s more like a fast Audi/BMW/Mercedes so the 35 to 40mpg is good for comparison
Glad it’s saving you so much money! Remember that you should only charge to 100% occasionally when off on a long trip
@@justgetatesla unless it is a standard range which have lfp battery. 100% charge at any time.
Yes, thanks for adding that. My car not to 100%. Other cars may be fine
He did say this was a return trip, so we have to assume that the ev, phev and the diesel would be empty/ish so would have to refuel before leaving. You weren't specific (iirc) about having to do that in both ice cars. That would make the total cost a bit higher. Also the 5p a litre increase is very generous. I recently did a trip to Edinburgh and the services price for petrol versus the supermarkets was at least 20p higher when I stopped at Abington.
Great video, thanks Ian. Congrats with the weight loss.
Most long road trips would start with home charging, dramatically reducing the Tesla costs compared to petrol/diesel. Your trip was a Tesla worst-case scenario, and still slightly cheaper than diesel.
That's exactly what I also noticed. Beside that who drives such long distance for majority of the year. More realistic scenario would be driving from home to work and around the town while charging off-peak (overnight) at £0.14p.
This is one trip and for most trips I would be withing the range of my EV and would charge at home. So long trips cost about the same as any other fuel version, but then for most trips it is massively cheaper. Great to know!!!
Thank you for this comparison - I like the fact you were unbiased, and to the point of a realistic usage of an electric vehicle. Very clear to understand :)
I don't get how people think this is the main thing that matters about EV's, most driving isn't done on road trips and most charging is done at home.
You can check the app and see how much you charge where and calculate that in, average price per km of the Tesla should easily be over 33,33% cheaper then what you get on average on a single trip using superchargers only.
Price of 50p/kWh, vs 15p/kWh at home (depending on getting the right plan, with solar you can go lower) is a huge difference.
I don't mind people making these videos, because others claim you can't go on long trips or that is more expensive, but people never seem to explicitly state you can do the first full charge to start and the last charge at home, you don't have to come home with a full battery.
I wish more time was spent on price per km, over lifetime of he car and not comparing the most expensive prices with fossils fuels prices (mostly not even on the highway prices, where things get more expensive).
Absolutely!!!
So true. It’s the main reason I bought a PHEV. I can travel locally for next to nothing. The longer journeys use petrol, but this is cheaper than an EV being charged at motorway service station ridiculously high prices.
Thanks Iain. I’m Toronto and just north of Toronto, I had to do some supercharging due to sidewalk replacement. It cost me 50¢ CDN per kWh (about £0.28 GBP) in evenings. A better comparison is done in the Tesla phone app. Over the past year with our usual mostly home charging on low cost evenings and weekend/holidays, we’ve consumed 2372 kWh that cost about $350 CDN and the gas equivalent is estimated at $1522 CDN. Our Model Y saved us $1172 CDN (£660 GBP). 😎
Well I “just got my Tesla” early last month. Model y performance after watching your videos. From Cleethorpes have been to London twice, The Cairngorms for a hol and many other long trips. It’s unbelievable how cheap it is to run. I never realised until I sat down and worked it out. Keep up the good videos Ian you definitely helped convince me!
I will! And your Performance wagon will be a serious weapon with all that power!!!
I think what destroyed your calculation was the charge stop at 55p. If the price there had been at 40p, you would've been around GBP 18 instead of 28.
It's not that the Volvo was surprisingly cheap it was that your Tesla trip was surprisingly expensive.
I am about to get my first ev in October and found this video very interesting, I will mainly travelling locally so will be charging at home topping up off peak electricity, the cost of some of theses charges are quite expensive 69p per kW, I see the tesla super chargers are more reasonable although not getting a tesla although can other makes of car use them at the same price , am very new to ev so any advice would be great as am hoping to travel to Cornwall from Liverpool at some point
I find public charging EV is about the same price as Petrol / Diesel, so if you can charge at home, on a cheap off-peak tariff, then it is only the long journeys that will be "same as ICE", the rest will be cheaper. And no filling up at smelly forecourts. Tesla Superchargers (for non-Tesla cars) is only as cheap as Tesla owners if you get a subscription. And you will only want to pay subscription if you have to use public charging a lot. But non-subscription Tesla is still typically cheaper than competitors.
For long trips, there’s little to no cost savings when driving an EV.
Or looking at it another way, for 90% of driving there is a considerable cost saving.
Define "long trips". I did a very long trip (much longer than most people's "long trip" tolerance) and used the most extreme anti-EV way to cost this as I could. And it was still cheaper.
Factor in the vast savings for most people on almost every trip they do, and EVs offer significant savings.
Not that you FUDers care...
@@justgetatesla 120 miles or more because you can’t make it home in one full charge.
Some FUDers do own EVs and don’t gaslight other people.
@@garysmith5025 If you drive a round trip within the car’s real range such as 250 miles for LR, you save. More than that you don’t.
@@deplorablechump8758 Why does it matter if it costs slightly more to do a long journey in an EV than a petrol/diesel? Although it never has for me. The rest of most people's EV driving is at such an embarrassingly low cost that the overall cost of "fuel" is no more than half of an equivalent ICE and more likely 15% - 20%. In fact the total electricity bill for my house, including charging two EVs and all our heating, plus the public charging when on long journeys, is significantly less than it would cost to run my previous 1.5TSi Skoda Karoq for my typical 23k miles per year; and that's ignoring the contribution from solar PV.
I have a 3.5 year average of 5 m/kWh , 21Lr ,I have got just about 400 miles returning from Scotland , amazing car .
What is preventing the cost of charging from eclipsing equivalent fossil fuel prices?
Last long trip I took in the United States. Ohio to South Carolina and back in May 2024. What's hard to price in is AP/FSD which handled 95% of the driving:
Total trip distance: 1,247 miles
Total SuC charging cost: $112.38
Total kWh added at SuC: 290 kWh
Avg SuC cost per kWH: $0.39
Home charging before departure: $3.21
Total: $115.59
Cost per mile (cents): $.0927
Gas comparison: Prices seen on trip ranged from $3.16 to $3.69. Eight prices noted
averaged $3.38/gallon
Gas Car averaging:
42/mpg @ $3.38/gallon = $100.43
32/mpg @ $3.38/gallon = $131.71
25/mpg @ $3.38/gallon = $168.59
595 miles for me in my S3 using V-Power is £142.80 and includes my CEL showing on the dashboard at the moment 😂 Thx for the video and information whilst with family. Taking time to film is appreciated 👍🏻
really it’s that poor on fuel?
@@SWR112 just done 815 miles at a total average 31.6mpg for the whole 9 days we’ve been touring. Various roads and enough 20 and 30mph and shocking country lanes often down to one lane. So no it’s not poor at all.
@@SWR112 it is a very pretty sporty car
Another great video, thanks Ian 👍
Great comparison. This clearly spells out the difference in long trips. I guess the real kicker is the mix of regular commuting and long range trips. In Australia it’s estimated 90% of your driving is regular commuting. So this would mean you should be able to charge at much lower costs at home for around 90% of your driving. The PHEV and diesel however remain much the same in cost regardless of the trip length. Also presumably, when you add in maintenance costs the gap becomes even bigger, making the argument on cost even more compelling for the Tesla.I don’t own a Tesla …….yet, but you are making a pretty compelling point …. Just get a Tesla!😊
Thanks! I’m doing my best 😏
We have driven to the alps to ski for decades. Its about 12 hours, door-to-door. With ICE we did one long run, a driver swap every 2 - 3 hours, a stop for lunch - probably a bit less than an hour. We were young then, and arrived knackered!
Now we are old! and we do it in EV. We stop for an hour to have a NICE lunch! (and charge 10% - 100%) and make 3 additional 20 minute charging stops. We stretch our legs, have a coffee ... it takes us an hour longer, and we arrive in much better shape than when we were young!! / driving ICE.
We always knew we should stop with ICE but we could never persuade ourselves to do it. Now with EV we have no choice ... and get the benefit.
Also, we start from home, so leave with 100% so don't need to charge for the first 3 hours. If we overnight to break our journey we charge there, and that saves an hour of charging too ... at which point there is very little difference in journey time.
Coffee shops love EVs!
The real benefit of an EV is when you can fill it up at home, starting with a trip with full battery of really cheap electricity and when doing your normal community entirely on really xheap electricity.
I have a Model Y that I, during the spring, summer and fall, charge in the weekends and during the winter need to add a little extra during the week.
This! My last 12 months shows 70% charging at home.
Absolutely this
I'm retired, charge at home when electrical rates are lowest. By running my dishwasher during that same period, my electric bill didn't go up at all, actually goes down if I also run the clothes dryer right before going to bed.
@@genelane2243 Why use a clothes drier if you can use sunshine much of the time?
@@solentbum It rains a lot in the british isles.
I must say, a well rounded explanation of costs and stops.Pretty honest to be fare. Although I did think the diesel was a little low on average MPG. I do a lot of long distance driving (and my 2013 Astra estate) easily does between 58 - 64 MPG (even when loaded up)
I suppose everyone’s and everything’s different.
The Volvo was big and heavy. And had a 2 litre 4 cylinder diesel engine. Hence the relatively poor economy
I have a small 12v fridge & camping stove in the boot. On long trips (usually to go camping), while charging, I make a cuppa & healthy sandwich..If another EVer stops for a chat, I pour them a cuppa too. I have to be quick though because it doesn’t take long to charge.
Very interesting video. I am considering an EV for my next car. However I currently have a Renault Arkana self charging hybrid which can do 600 miles plus on a full tank of fuel so effectively that makes it possible to do the the trip you just did on under £65 of fuel based on the cost of my last fill up. Driving that distance we would have had to have stopped about the same amount of time as you did for leg stretches and dog walking etc so time wise we would be on a par but cost wise I win. 👍🏼. Still thinking of an EV next though. Don’t know if it will be a Tesla though as I like the Mustang Mach E for looks better.
The way I look at it, assuming you have off road parking / home charging and a good off-peak tariff (and maybe Solar PV too), then all home-charged miles are cheap, and any long distance miles are "similar to Petrol /Diesel" which, overall for me, means EV miles are cheaper. I've done circa 200K EV miles since 2015 ... and I much prefer driving EV to ICE, so there is that too. Quieter, less tiring than ICE on longer journeys, and so on.
Don't buy EV if you are going to travel 250 miles for more than 60 days in a year. If you are driving around the city and to shops than the EV is perfect choice.
@@mk-77 Not sure why that would make a difference? On days when I am out-of-range I charge to 100% before departure so the first X-Miles are at my Off Peak rate, and then remainder are at Public rates. My real-world range is more than 250 miles, but let's assume I fill up at 250 miles to have some contingency; I just need enough public charging to "get home". So I am only paying premium for those excess miles.
Interesting, thank you. When looking at overall cost of EV v ICE, 2 things: normal use of a car with home charging reduces cost by over a half for EV and non Tesla EV increases cost by up to double en route!
Public charging is getting better - an awful lot of chargers going in. But it’s still a bit of a lottery about which ones are working and what the price is.
I just charged up overnight at a hotel - 25p a kWh which is great!
24kg weight loss! Congrats! How about a vid on how you did it?
What would be a good would be to see how much those recharges would have been for non Tesla EV's using the more expensive charge stations so you can show the added advantage of owning the Tesla and their supercharger network, I know some are open to all now but still not as cheap as a Tesla owner and just for fun how much the petrol & diesel costs would have been if filling up at the service stations astronomical prices.
If you would kept the wheel cover caps you would saved at least 6-7£.
I made this month a 800 mile trip with Tesla model Y, drove at night and avoided peak charging costs and it costed me 82€ (69.5£).
I have a Peugeot partner van which I get 80% =. 150 miles 50 kw battery and tells me to recharge at 60 miles =20%. The lowest I’ve let it get is 28 miles and it tells me to charge immediately. Fill takes 30 to 40mins on 150kw charger and the cost per kw hr is 76p to 80p
So Teslas are still the best but any other ev is useless and impossible to carry out your journey
Interesting video thanks thought you might find helpful.I wish Tesla made a van it would be a lifesaver cheers
Vans really do expose the issues. Paid not much more than the cost of 10 of these trips to buy a MWB diesel outright and it will do 50mpg+ extra urban. Ironically decimating the power generation system for the green cause has set back EV adoption with the electricity pricing for way from home charging and over time home charging is going to be nowhere near as cheap if more homes are forced down the heat pump route.
Interesting comparison video. We never stop at services, always plan our stops at country parks where walk our dog and visit tea room. So we don't want to plan our trip around fast chargers. Admittedly we're not in a hurry. So ev not for me.
Nice video. My Toyota Prius PHEV does 9p/mile, so this journey would cost me £54. From this video, it is safe for me to conclude that, if your journey is more than the range of the EV, it is cheaper to go with an efficient hybrid/PHEV than an EV including Telsa.
No. You can normally charge at home (mine is 1.7p per mile), and the maintenance costs of a PHEV are way higher. I reckon 95% of my miles are home-charger miles
Yes, if you can charge at home, using EV within the city makes most sense. Maintenance of PHEV is not alot. My annual service is £150 @ halford. I charge my PHEV to at home and for free at tesco pod point. If you compare the overall cost of ownership (insurance, depreciation, unscheduled maintenance, tires), hybrids/PHEVs cost less to own than Evs even if the electricity is free for the EVs.
Interesting. I went down to Heathrow yesterday and diesel was about 145.9 and in the midlands it's about the same or a bit less so depending where you fill up it would be close. I go up to Gairloch area for holiday but any EV I can afford is too small for the families needs and wouldn't have the range to do what we want.
Great video and well done on the weight loss - how have you done it?
Cut out snacks and heavily processed food. Thought about what I was eating and avoided carbs and sugars as much as possible
Interesting, but I'm not sure you got your sums right.
You are adding the cost of charging at Dartford which was essentially adding the cost of whatever you did before you charged there. To get the cost of the trip you should ignore that £16.50 and add whatever you needed to get it back to 100% at home. £60.27 + 130 miles and charging at home - which should be between £2.30 and £7.80 depending on your tariffs - £62.50 to £68 at most.
No, I fill up with electricity before I set off and consume that. Why would I not count that? I am burning supercharger power at supercharger prices, not electricity added at home after I get back.
And I have an NCM battery, so I don’t charge to 100% at home
@@justgetatesla you would 'count' it but unless you begin with 100% and then recharge to 100% at the destination you don't accurately know the consumption (or cost) of your trip as you are measuring/paying for the trip before the one you are looking at!
I know precisely how much energy I have used - it’s right there on the screen.
Ian, the electricity you add at home is to top-up that which has already been consumed , so is not relevant to your forthcoming trip.
During your trip, the first top-up will be to replace the energy you have used from leaving home so the cost incurred is for that energy you have consumed from leaving home to tour first charge thereafter.
Similarly at the end of your trip, topping-up at your home is replenishing the energy that you have used since the last top-up at the last charger....the cost of this energy is therefore at your home energy rate.
That's why we got one. 10 year old Model S, original battery and motor but FREE Fuel !!
V4 supercharger now open to all at Caledonia Park Gretna, just successfully charged my Mach e...
I had to charge at Dartford as 3.00am - only me there - scary place 😱
Put into question about kwh prices. Newbury Berkshire it's £0.75 kwh. Can't see service stations being cheaper
We own 2 EVs here in New Zealand. We pay an extra per km tax (Road User Charge - RUC) for driving on the roads. This is to make up for the fact that we do not pay duty/tax taken at the petrol pump. Diesel has been like this since the 70s, and now both EVs and Diesel pay the same RUC. If the UK had the same system as us and the same cost, then you would have needed to add an extra £34.56 to your costs making the trip in the Tesla £111.39. Due to a mistake by our government, PHEVs pay half the RUC of EVs. Hybrids don't pay any RUC and are taxed per litre of fuel in the same way as normal petrol vehicles. If you're hybrid does 4L/100km, then that is 60% less duty/tax than an EV or Diesel. EV owners here a really hoping the government move everyone over to RUC sooner rather than later. Looks like your public charging costs are the same as us here, so the 158kWh would cost the equivalent of £75.
@@paulaschofield how do they track the number of kilometres? You’re doing?
@@Chris-be1fo At each annual WoF/MoT. If the odometer reading is higher than the end reading on the Road User Charge label then you need to buy more. If the police randomly stop you and happen to check ,then it's a fine.
Octopus energy is giving me electricity at 3p/Kwh tonight. I get at least 4 miles/Kwh. So less than 1p per mile for fuel. My wife's Merc costs about 18p per mile at the moment 😮
Eon Next 7p per kWh from 12-7am fixed price. I get 4 mi/kWh, so 1.7p per mile
What would the EV charging cost have been using the average UK public charging rate noting this would be more realistic for most non-Tesla owners?
the supercharger cost depends on what time of day you charge as well, as its cheaper at certain times
And it shows you on the screen what the times and costs are
My travels in southwest USA have an anecdotal cost of $0.42/kwh. Gas in the same area is about $3.50/gallon. No way i am ever going back to gas. BEVs make road trips much more fun.
Did 4176 miles last week around Europe and it cost £311. Model 3 long range rear wheel drive.
Hi, in Quebec Canada we have Diesel at the same price as petrol. By the way, we are going to be in London the first two weeks of September. If you are in the neighbor don't be a stranger.
Great video.
Diesel maintenance is very expensive and a oil change is 200 because a quart of oil in Ireland is 15 euro
Need a video on how you lost 24kg! 🎉
If you charged Tesla at home overnight before the journey it would be £7 less which is £70 in total. For regular day trips to work and shops for the same number of kW/h charging at home off-peak it would cost only £26.32 (which is £55 cheaper than diesel). For most people and most situations charging at home would be more meaningful comparison.
If you regularly drive 600 miles, then you perhaps need to consider looking at subscriptions to various charging networks. These can reduce charging costs by up to 30%.....
Not with Tesla! Already cheaper than the subscription prices on other networks
Have you worked out how much electricity you saved by not carrying the 24 kg on the trip? 😊
Lol
On my very occasional forays away from home my LEAF works out at 18 pence per mile using Gridserve at 79p/Kwh. At home it works out at 1.80pence per mile. The petrol car it replaced cost 13 pence per mile . Make of that what you will. However since around 90% of my useage is at 1.8ppm the savings are worthwhile. Last year I only managed 22633 miles, whilst this year it is 15339 miles so far. I make that an average cost per mile of 3.2pence overall. (£1230.3 over 37972 miles)
My ICE car would have cost £4936.36p over the same mileage(approx)
It’s a massive difference
I think an additional test would be to buy each of those cars at the same time and to then sell each after 3 years to the know what the real cost of motoring in them was. Servicing, road tax, average fuel costs over similar distances, tyres and depreciation.
eg. 2021 Model 3 Long Range was about 50k new and now sells used for 20k after 3 years.
Yeah good point. If you bought it new that 25k loss is a big hit. However that is often the case when you buy any new car. But that’s I opted for a second hand model 3. The savings then make it a non brainer.
@@ar6904 I think that because the EV market is finally developing at a very fast rate, that buying new at any time, is going to cost dearly. 30k loss over 3 years, on a 50k car, is too much of a loss and if that is left unmanaged as pure profit for producers, it will eventually fall on governments to support the market and that will require enormous taxation. Basically taxpayers will be funding private car makers.
@@LysanderLH That's true, early adopters paid dearly. I feel the cost is going to drop significantly over the next few years making evs comparable to ice cars. As in a rough comparison of what type and size of vehicle. I remember the day I bought my first computer. It was an ultra fast Pentium computer and cost me $4500. Can you imagine the computer I would get for that amount of money now? You do raise a good point and for early adopters, it would have worked out more expensive. It's those people however, that would have helped everyone else, to own a similar car at a way cheaper price. I can see myself buying my first Ev within the next few years.
I understand that EVs don't suit everyone's needs but for me, living in my own home with a large solar system, it would be a sensible move.
With prices of new EV falling then will make the second hand even cheaper as well. As the manufactuting curve improves and in theory the cost of EV comes down then going to make depreciation worse. However unless people would rather keep the EV prices higher which going to lose the benefit of the lower EV price long term, then people will have to suck up the depreciation.
Prices change. I bought the Volvo pre-registered from the dealership. Reduced from £50k to £33k. I then sold it a few years later for just under £17k. Massive massive depreciation which does not prove that diesels depreciate badly. It’s just how the market was at the time.
And the Outlander? I doubled the mileage and sold it for only £500 less than I bought it for. No depreciation at all which does not prove that petrol hybrids depreciate very slowly. It’s just how the market was at the time.
So I genuinely giggle at the “EVs depreciating fast” FUD.
Just did Chicago to Orlando. Cost just over 245$ ROUND trip. My premium gas Q7 would have been near 700$ so to me Tesla and ev charging for trips vs $500 a seat plane tickets or a premium gas car winner is EV..
but you are compapring a much bigger car, with premium fuel to a smaller car, compare something diesel and similar size and the costs even out
@@alltechthings9506 I disagree the curb weight for a MY is about 4400lbs and Q7 is only 600lbs more. So I feel they are comparable also what’s comparable is what you have in your garage. Other people’s experiences might vary and that’s fine. This would have been my experience. As well in the US we do t have a huge diesel market for people buying cars new and the used market is drying up for those cars quickly also. Also the 500$ a seat plane cost is not gonna ever go down only up here in US.
@@Ughthisagain the weight doesn't matter, the size does, the q7 is probably as big as a tesla model x
Interesting comparison. Neither of your previous cars was that frugal largely due to weight. The outlander is carrying a heavy battery and the volvo is a big car. Nice car. Rather like the s90/V90. My petrol golf estate can easily do 53mpg on a long trip. Whereas i suspect something like a Passat diesel might do 60mpg. That would make the comparison closer. However for short trips with home charging the Tesla will be a lot cheaper to run. How often do you do a long trip. If buying new it's convincing. When it comes to replacing my used car I'm also factoring in monthly costs and insurance. That tesla supercharger network and very competitive pricing makes it much nicer than most other brands. Gridserve will charge much more.
The other two cars are great examples because it’s real - those were my last two cars, and they were in a similar size category to the Tesla. I had a BMW 5-series diesel in 2011 and that did 47mpg so I know the average fuel consumption for the Volvo isn’t ridiculous
That's true. Similar driving style/conditions. Very good economy for that sized car. I think the main thing that comes out of this is that Tesla supercharger is very good value compared to most other motorway charging points. It's a big advantage if you do a lot of long trips.
I think that PHEV MPG shoud have been calculated as PHEV and not with depleted battery as pure petrol car.
Why? Where would I have charged it? And how much of a difference do you think 22 miles of electric driving would have made on a 600 mile trip?
Spending 20, 30 or 40K buying ANY car to save money on fuel doesn't seem right to me somehow ? Just saying 🙄
I agree - the cheapest car is the one you own. But as cost is something that gets raised endlessly it’s worth exploring
I would agree although am about to get a car through mobility and the cost of a full electric to petrol is minimal, I be doing mainly local miles so hope charging on off peak electric is a seller for me as at the moment putting £80 ish a month in my diesel fiesta , think its about £6 charge and they claim 360 miles but even if I get 300 I be happy. I would agree electric cars even if they are coming down in price are too expensive for the general public
Next time if you stop at the new Tesla changers at Caledonian Park Gretna it will save you £6.24 peak rate is 43p.
Hi Ian, love the channel and you are one of the reasons I bought my first Tesla 4 weeks ago, a new SR Model 3 and loving it. Thank you. During your long journeys do you pre-heat the battery prior to charging using trip planner or not? Just wondered how much of a difference it would make and how much energy it uses to pre-heat the battery? I've only charged from home so far so I'm yet to use the supercharger network. Keep up the good work!
Good question! I do set departure times sometimes which will heat the battery and warm / cool the car. Not sure it makes a big difference to efficiency
Ian, apologies, I think you misunderstood my question slightly. I meant do you use the Trip Planner so the car preconditions the battery just prior to the supercharger sites you stopped at so that it charges at the fastest rate?
Yes, I always navigate so the battery is preconditioned before supercharger stops
Golf diesel will cover over 650+ miles on a tank. So it would beat the Tesla on price for this trip but you did not factor the cost of servicing in. The Tesla would have very little servicing costs, no oil changes for the engine and gearbox. So the Tesla takes some beating overall.
Golf isn’t the same size of car. Or same power. A small car burns less fuel than a big car. Regardless of fuel…
What about the lack of brake wear and no service requirement
There is now a requirement every 12500 miles to lubricate brake callipers “where roads are salted”. So it’s not 100% service free.
It’s not a “requirement”. There is no impact in warranty in not doing so
you still need service inspections, brake pads, coolants and filters and many other repairs because of recalls and quality issues
Good vido keep them coming
In Australia, my Polestar costs me $1.60 to drive 100km. Let's see a 400hp ICE car do THAT!!
" we have got all of these ABB units as well, I have no idea what speed these get " says while passing the sign on the side of the charger up to 180kw 🤣
Glad you were looking! Of course then the quest is what speed can the car take? A lot of EVs are absurdly slow with the onboard charger. And don’t get me started on charging as an “option” to get viable charging speeds.
@@justgetatesla and it depends what state charge you have , the lower your battery charge is the faster the charge will go in
THE....one thing, that's stopping me getting an EV...is the initial cost of purchasing the vehicle. I'm retired, so leasing etc doesn't interest me.
As morbid as it sounds, our next car will most probably be our last, so to pay 40, 50 or 60K for one is not on. If we DID go for leasing....the 3-500pm would wipe out our monthly pensions, so it's got to be, dipping into our savings to fund our next car....
Or buy used. I bought a 6 month old ev to replace my 2021 ev and it cost me less than my new car did in 2021. And was less than the £40k you mentioned there.
Just got my pensioners bus pass last month here in Manchester, UK so I'm with you re the cost of purchase, however I decided to put £5,750 down as deposit plus 2K for my 14 year old car and the balance on a two year PCP at at £157pm on a used 2021 Tesla 3 with 11800 miles on the clock (has the manufactures warranty as standard plus 12 months p&l warranty through Teslas. I'm hoping to save 50% on my fuel cost, £410pa on road tax (however that may change in 2025 i.e. will then be £190 pa). That said my insurance will increase by £300 and a wall charger is £600 both of these negate the fuel savings in the first year at least, so why am I buying it? Simply to experience a Tesla and if it turns out that the hype and the ride aren't great then I'll trade her in and go back to Petrol. One last thing. I considered a used Nissan Qashqai (Tekna with all the toys inc heads up display) but it would cost the same as the Tesla 3 with twice the milage and cost as much to insure and tax. We shall see how it all turns out! NB if your going to buy, its wise to consider GAP insurance eg back to invoice in case of disaster...
@@mrpauly01 if the tesla doesn't pan out then there are other EVs, you don't need to go back to petrol. My tesla experience was very poor but I'm delighted with the ev I replaced it with. There is no way I'd go back to petrol.
I'm retired too, but I wanted to at least have the experience of owning an EV. If you don't like it you can always return back to an ice car and continue to deliberately poison people from the carcenogenic toxins that spews out on every journey.
A brand new Teska model Y, the best selling car globally can currently be had for £299 a month direct from Tesla...a no brainer imo.
Or, as others have said, buy a good pre-used one with low miles and a lengthy warranty.
Rather sit on the fence....or make a rash decision, why not test drive one?
Test driving a tesla is easy, you take it on your own without any tedious wittering in your ear from a salesman, no sitting at the table drinking coffee when you return listening to the hard sell from the sales man...hand in the key and go home to consider your next move.
It really is that easy.
@@enyaq_gorm why was your tesla experience poor?
I'm living in Paraguay, and can drive ca. 200 miles with 3.00 U$ charging.
If I take my little EV, I can do 100 mile with 1.00 U$.
The aspect that you also have to figure in is maintenance and road tax across the three cars, with the Tesla still coming out as the cheapest running costs by a significant margin.
Good points! The Outlander and Volvo both paid “luxury car tax”. So £460 (I think) a year in tax vs £0 for the Tesla. And maintenance? Hundreds per service on both of those, no service for Tesla
@@justgetatesla Car tax for EVs is going to be the same as for ICE cars as from April 2025 (including the "luxury car tax" for new ones bought after that date). Insurance seems to be a bit of a stinger, too...
Teslas I'm informed will need new brakes annualy (is that true?) and other small replacements eg filters, combined that cost as much as an annual ICE service, then the fact that it burns through tyres at a much quicker rate which cost more to replace which somewhat negates the argument that EVs are cheaper to maintain.....
@@mrpauly01 Tesla brakes last *years* (because they are rarely used - so much so that Tesla even had to incorporate a "brake burnishing" routine in the onboard service menus that you can use if the discs get too scabby).
The routine servicing on these cars consists of stripping and cleaning/lubing the brake calipers every couple of years, cabin air filter replacement at the same intervals and brake fluid replacement about every four years. And that's about it until you get to very high mileages (100k-ish) when the transmission gearbox oil is supposed to be renewed.
Short tyre life is almost entirely a function of the driver's right foot (the astonishing acceleration can be habit-forming...) but there are plenty of folks out there who easily get 40k+ out of their tyres simply by not hoofing it everywhere.
Everyone I know who owns one (including me) says the running costs are lower than pretty much any car they've ever owned. It's the Standing costs (ie depreciation and insurance) that are the elephant in the room.
@@mrpauly01nope, Teslas have one-pedal driving. Thr regerative braking of the motors bring the car to a stop (unless it is an emergency)
My last Tedla model 3 had covered just under 60k miles when I traded it for my model Y. The brake pads or disks had never been replaced.
It had 1 set of tyres in my ownership, getting to the lower end of their limit when traded, but still had probable 3 months wear left.
And no servicing at all to do, not even to maintain warranty as here us no service schedule implemented by tesla.
Diesel where I live in Michigan is about $3.25 or 330 per gallon, American gallon. But it still stinks!!
Even if electricity became more expensive than fossils , I’d keep my Tesla because my lungs would thank me for not polluting the air. My ears would thank me for not making much noise. My eyes would thank me for not making them strain to see through smog. My hands would thank me for not making them clean around fiddly shaped dashboard controls.
China consumed over 4 billion tonnes of coal in 2023, with over 50 million tonnes shipped from Australia.......with OIL.
Have you stopped to consider the lungs and eyes of well over a billion Chinese citizens, helping enable this transition, or is that not any of your concern, being so far away?
@@BROOMEngineeringTMIET I've worked in Beijing when the smog as been so thick you couldn't see outside the hotel windows,
@@watto7728The cities are clearing because the Chinese are switching to EVs.
@@BROOMEngineeringTMIET The cities are clearing because the Chinese are switching to EVs. But your point on burning coal to generate electricity is a good one.
@@Chris-be1fo you do understand that a considerable proportion of that coal burning is because other countries have off-shored their manufacturing, and dumped their emissions in China, including making many of they 'green' products?
China was also responsible for around 95% of the world's new coal power construction activity last year.
But as long as your lungs and eyes okay.........
New to Tesla (2021 model 3 RWD standard +).. how on earth does one manage the duel heating controls? I don't seem to be able to turn off or control the passenger side when there is someone like my Mrs is riding shotgun who hates the cold. Surly a £40k has duel climate control...... cheers.
To compare length of time charging, what is the kWh of those superchargers. Here in the USA, there are V2s of 150kWh, and V3s of 250kWh. The V2's share power every 2 stalls, and they have a silver ring where the handle meets the cable (a quick way to distinguish them). Is that the same in the UK? Charging prices are the same for V2s and V3s. Here in the NorthEast superchargers are about 39-42 cents/kWh. On a cross-country trip they seem to be 35-38 cents/kWh. Gas prices have been between $3.30-$3.50/gallon(USA). Charging my Tesla Y/LR home charging is about 1/3 the price of gas per mile driven, and only a tiny bit less cost on a long road trip supercharging vs. my Honda CRV (33mpg on highway).
Great question. All these tombstones are V3 250kW. In the UK you can spot a V2 (120 or 130 kW shared) because they have 2 cables - one CCS, one old style Tesla Type 2. We don’t have the US connector at all
I didn't buy my EV because I thought it would save me vast amounts of money, I bought it because it's modern, fast, efficient, clean, quiet, and helps put us all on a path towards zero carbon, which no fossil fuelled vehicle will ever be able to do
@@karlwest437 apart from oil and gas to build it and ship it.
I do agree they drive nicer but there are still things to iron out.
@@CJMVector321190 I know battery manufacturing creates a lot of emissions, as does shipping, but that misses my point, if we stick with petrol or diesel, there is simply no way to become zero carbon because the vehicles themselves create emissions, electric and battery powered transport moves the emissions to manufacturing which can eventually become zero carbon itself, that's the real reason why EVs are considered greener, because they the best path forward to a zero carbon future that we have
I bought an EV because my 14yo ICE had kicked the bucket. Everything in the £5-10k secondhand market reminded me of the car I just scrapped - old, high mileage, potential MOT problems. I could have found a decent ICE for that money if I wasn’t insistent on an auto this time.
A 3.5yo LEAF jumped out at me. Had no idea what I was buying in to. No possibility of home charging. But 3yo auto and no combustion engine MOT issue - got to be worth the punt.
So far zero regrets.
@@karlwest437 Zero carbon is impossible. The whole of the UK is gonna get slammed by ‘crisis’ rubbish when the largest places on earth won’t give a damn. Also, the only saving on an EV now is charging vs fuel costs. No government incentive to own one; pay VED from next year; far more expensive than petrol cars; charging network absolutely disgusting in UK so the only one I want is a Tesla with no way to home charge, so here we are back to, far more expensive than petrol. So no incentive whatsoever to swap to one. The UK is only playing at having EV’s.
@@karlwest437 EVs are a global scam by virtue signalling governments. In the real world they have no total eco credentials superior to ICE, indeed it can be shown that they can produce more overall emissions during their lifetime. You will do more to save the planet ( ignoring the fantasy of net zero) by buying a less expensive hybrid and putting the money saved over a high priced EV into such as solar panels. Legacy car makers don’t want to make them, dealers don’t want to sell them and, on the whole, customers don’t want them either. There are a herd of elephants in the room when it comes to the downsides of buying and/or using one. Remember Betamax, mini discs and sandwich toasters, get ready for EVs to be on that list within 5 years or so!
They sat up to 180kW right on the charger.😁
Have you factored in your time? If it takes you 30 mins to charge a tesla and 2 minutes to fill a diesel car, have you factored in your hourly rate. My hourly rate in 59.87, so that 5 quid gets tucked up and overshadowed very quickly.
I charge when I would need a break anyway. BTW why is the FUD challenge always something absurd like “2 minutes to fill a diesel”. Really? You can leave the road, pull into the filling station, switch the car off, get out, get your card authenticated, pump fuel, get your receipt, get back in and drive off in 2 minutes?
No, you can’t
@justgetatesla OK 4 minutes, but this is still a factor. Time is money. FYI I'm getting the new model y juniper next year.
So what’s the issue? If I’m driving far enough to need to charge, I would need to stop whether I still had a diesel. Motorway services car parks full of mechanical vehicles all stopped because the humans need to stop.
It’s always the same nonsensical argument about charging taking ages. I’ve videos shot on trip after trip after trip where the car is ready to go before I am.
@justgetatesla I drive mostly for work, not recreation, and I don't stop unless the drive is over 5 hours.
Most of my long trips are work. Practically nobody does 5 hour legs, so your usage isn’t exactly normal. And btw I spent 20 years on the road travelling for work, so it’s hardly like I don’t know what I’m talking about. None of my employers would have been at all happy with 5 hour legs, and now I work for myself (as it sounds like you do) I wouldn’t do that now either.
Why adding 5p/litre to the diesel car as it doesn't have to fill up at expensive motorway service. Let's just r the results.
Do this in winter with your family
I have done! What about it
Most charge points on the motorway cost 79p/kwh. That would be £148
If I had a different brand of EV. Which I don’t.
I am not familiar with PHEVs . Could you charge it and use electricity more if you want to and would that make it any more economical.
Not really - a PHEV has only a very small battery (the Outlander gives an electric-only range of about 30 miles), so even if you charged it to Full before setting off, after 30 miles of electric running it becomes just a regular hybrid, using the battery to eke out the maximum efficiency of the ICE. The difference to range/economy by fully charging before a 600 mile trip is insignificant.
@@TheRoybeasleyOr it could even have negative impact on such long journeys, due to extra weight of the battery that the car need to carry.
@@Manu-P8 Even on a long journey where the only fuel used is petrol/diesel, there's still some significant benefit from the electric motor and battery, just as there is with a "mild" hybrid like the original Prius. Firstly there's some regenerative braking, allowing kinetic energy to be recovered for re-use, but it also allows the ICE to be used in the most economical way (eg no great slug of fuel needed whenever you accelerate or climb a short hill).
24 kilograms! Blimey, welll done Ian. What's your secret, because I could do with losing about 10kg myself 😀
Honestly don’t know. I went to war on carbs, sugars and processed food
I did intermittent fasting. Only ate between 1PM and 7PM-ish. Zero calories outside that (no milk in tea even). I felt a bit peckish mid afternoon, so I wound up having 3 meals a day, same as before, but only within that window. Weight fell off slowly, but steadily (I lost about 15kg). And once I was done I had a ready-made maintenance diet, so no yo-yo dieting. Now, if I put a few pounds on, I just cut out anything outside 1PM -7PM for a bit and it sorts itself out, and that habit is now well established, for me. Also, enabled me to live a normal social life eating lunch / supper with friends and not being a pain "I can only eat lettuce leaves this week"!
This really is a worst case for the Tesla. It's usually possible to start a trip with a full battery from a slow overnight charge and arrive with a low state of charge. You didn't do either on this trip which could have been a 40 or 50% reduction in supercharging. It's good to know it's better or comparable to ICE, even when the above is not possible.
Yep, worst case scenario as you say. A good test to show the FUD brigade that it’s still cheaper…!
not everyone has a house and a charger installed
@@alltechthings9506 true. Not being able to charge at home or work does reduce the benefits of EV ownership both financially and in convenience.
You need to add additional service costs to ICE
Not on a single trip
@@justgetatesla On the contrary, you do need to add the cost percentage on a single trip, this gets complicated as only some of the costs can be easily allocated on a per mile basis.
Don't be silly
Need to add depreciation per mile for EV...
The cost of Diesel and Petrol is highly scrutinised and it’s advertised large at the petrol Station and there’s a lot of competition from Supermarkets
Electricity isn’t
You end up at the charger that your Satnav sends you to and you never know how much it will be
That’s true for public charging! Not Tesla superchargers though - the cost is displayed on screen if you click on it
In addition to Tesla SuperCharger pricing in the app, US DC FastCharger stations are starting to not just display the current price per KWH, they show the upcoming changes, like 7PM $0.22 10 PM $0.11, 6AM $0.33 etc so you can decide to stop and have dinner or whatever before charging to get the lower rate.
Not true...you DO have a choice of chargers. You can opt for using the more expensive ones at £0.79 per kWh, or select one that costs £0.30p kWh....or £0.07p per kWh charging at home, or even less if you have solar system installed.
Actually I get my car charging for FREE from Octopus energy due to having their intelligent and export tariffs....it costs £0.07p to import electricity...however they pay me £0.15p for my exported energy.
Price is completely irrelevant on sporadic journeys. When I need to fill up or charge I pull into the first service station.
Food choice is far more important to me 😂
You haven't taken into account the cost of depreciation or insurance. I bought my 2003 Yaris in 2009 for £3,000. It costs about £200 a year for maintenance and £300 for insurance. Depreciation must be less than £200 per year even if the car is now worth nothing. It has a range of 500 miles and does 60mpg on a long trip. If anyone can show an example of owning an EV which is as cheap to run as this I would be happy to consider buying one.
The other big cost these EVangelists don't seem to take into account is the cost of battery degradation. A $20K battery that lasts 10 years or 100K miles has a cost of $2K/yr or in mileage terms $0.20/mile. That adds 120 pounds to a 600 mile trip, so the Tesla's true cost of driving 600 miles is closer to 80+120=200 lbs, which pays for a lot of oil changes and petrol.
Good morning Philip! So your like for like comparison is a 2022 Tesla Model Y vs a 2003 Toyota Yaris? 😂
Good morning Timmy! The thing you FUDers don’t seem to take into account is that you are absolute wazzocks posting absolute guff. The battery does what? What happens to the battery on 100k miles? It stops working and has a value of zero?
Who fed you this shit? You may as well be posting on here about how the Earth is flat! Do you know how absolute unhinged you sound?
@@justgetatesla It wasn't intended to be a like for like comparison. All I am saying is that if you are after low cost motoring, a second hand petrol car is the better bet. Also why is it that when anyone comes up with a point which goes against your way of thinking, you find it necessary to insult your opponent? Is this the best alternative to a polite argument you EVangelists can come up with?
Hi Philip, you’re watching MacMaster. And me. Your example is nonsensical. Park EVs completely and let’s have another example. This is Just Get an SQ7. Your response to costs is that your 20 year old A2 is cheaper. So? Not remotely the same vehicle.
I can't drive more than about 2 hours with my back, and at 61 I also need to pee, so regular stops to top up isn't a concern for me lol.
Model Y coming next week !
WHY I'M BUYING A Tesla. Just got my pensioners bus pass last month here in Manchester, UK (age 66 and I'm retired) so I'm with you re the concerns over cost of purchase, however I decided to put £5,750 down as deposit plus 2K for my 14 year old Infinity 3lt V6 Disal car and the balance on a two year PCP at £157pm on a used 2021 Tesla 3 with 11800 miles on the clock (has the manufactures warranty as standard plus and additional 12 months p&l warranty through Teslas that starts when the manufacturers warranty ends). I'm hoping to save 50% on my fuel cost because of home charging for driving approx. 8000 miles pa (I get between 24 city driving and 28 motorway driving - average 34mpg) and £410pa on road tax (however that may change in 2025 i.e. EVs will then be £190 pa). That said my insurance will increase by £300 and a wall charger is £600 both of these negate the fuel savings in the first year at least, so why am I buying it? Simply to experience a Tesla and if it turns out that the hype and the ride aren't great then I'll trade her in and go back to Petrol. One last thing. I considered a used Nissan Qashqai (Tekna with all the toys inc heads up display) but it would cost the same as the Tesla 3 with twice the milage and cost as much to insure and tax. From a comparison running cost perspective long distance driving is no cheeper in an EV, the stopping time is longer and you don't get wet in a forecourt unlike windy wet charging stations at a service station (something to be seriously considered but is not often mentioned), so, shortish runs via home charger, then the Tesla / other EV are less expensive especially if you opt for eg an MG EV at 50% the cost of a Tesla... I shall see how it all pans out! NB if your going to buy, its wise to consider GAP insurance eg back to invoice in case of disaster.. Buy from the heart and not just the head, you only live once.
You do indeed! And on the buy from the heart comment, absolutely. The best cars I have owned have been want/need. The worst? The compromise cars bought to satisfy a financial “good deal” or “that would be really practical”
I drive a 530d and £80 would give me about 750 miles between fill ups. (Average 50 mpg) However, I can see the benefit of an EV in some cases.
Where are you getting diesel for £1.18?
@@Eduardoramundo 1.49 last time I looked. 12 gallons is about £80 and if I do a long run at speed limit I would get c60mpg. Around town this drops to mid 40’s. Fill ups are infrequent but 650 to 750 plus miles., depending on how I am driving.
So, about 11 pence per mile fir your diesel....my Tesla equates to 1.4p per mile, that's around £10.50 for those 750 miles...plus....zero servicing costs...plus I didn't deliberately poison anyone with the carcenogenic toxins spewing out on any of my trips.
@@David-bl1bt where are you getting electricity that cheap?
My Toyota Hybrid does nearly 60mpg and cost 15k less than the Tesla. It will easily travel 500 miles on a tank.
Once everyone has switched to EVs I’m predicting that in the future electricity prices will go up (supply and demand) and petrol prices will plummet, as it did during covid. Then will ICE car sales go up again?
500 miles - even at a steady 70 mph - is 7 hours of travel. Nobody drives 7 hours without a stop. So the extra range doesn’t matter in reality
Personally I think that as ice vehicles fall, fuel consumption will diminish so oil companies will be increasing fuel prices in a desperate bid to maintain their profits.
@@justgetatesla but the guy isn't wasting time hanging around charging during those 500 miles or wasting effort planning where to stop or finding a charging station broken or busy is he? So, actually, range does matter. Ask all the people who clearly don't see the EV as a mass market product, just a niche one. The data is out there if you could just give it a go and read it.
Just done 859 miles in my petrol Glasgow to Duxford via a few places and back Left with car full, top up at Penrith, refill more or less Dux and top up again Penrith to comfortably get home and refilled 1mile from home.
Got around 54mpg Car computer said 58mpg. Total cost £120 miles but it was on V power. I recon I could do this in a Tesla with 28 minutes charging on the way down and up from full each end. Be interesting to know what the difference would be. Your costs a bit disappointing truth be told.
Is there a tesla cost road map ?
However the diesel car and the petrol car always cost that much - if not more - for driving around town when at home, whereas the Tesla can cost as little as 2p per mile, or even 0p per mile if you are able to charge it at home on Solar. So these comparisons, whilst informative, do not show the full advantages of owning an EV - assuming you can charge at home
Yes, the key to EV ownership (in the UK at least) is access to cheap rate electricity from a home charger. At peak time supercharger rates, and even more so if using non-Tesla public fast chargers, the "fuel" costs are very similar to petrol/diesel.
But for many (again, in UK) owners of solar panel setups, using solar to charge an EV at home makes no financial sense, as every kWh that you put into your car is one fewer kWh that you can export to the grid. Since typical export tariffs pay up to 15p per kWh and overnight EV charging can be done for 7-8p per kWh, using that "free" solar to charge your car ends up costing you twice as much as charging from the grid...
I recently did a little calculation after watching another YT video about the cost of doing longish journeys in a Tesla Model 3 LR, using their real-world energy usage figures on a 309 mile trip. It turned out that doing that trip using only expensive non-Tesla public fast chargers would cost about £45 - the same as an ICE car achieving around 46mpg. Doing it using Superchargers at an average of around 40p per kWh would cost £25 - the same as an ICE car doing 80+ mpg. If the trip could be done entirely on cheap overnight home charging, it would cost well under £5 - the same as an ICE car getting 450+ mpg...
These costs are specifically for this trip. That’s the example. Not day to day running costs for a different trip or trips…
We should also take into consideration the cost of servicing the two ICE cars. So at the end of the day, it is not just a straightforward easy answer.
assuming you can charge at home is very bad cuase a lot of people live in a apartment and then you have to factor in the cost of investment for installing solar pannels on your house which is often more than 40 000€
@@alltechthings9506 that’s one hell of a solar array !!
Truth be told “Tesla haters” want 100% assurances on EVERYTHING. Those people find fault w anything regardless.
...except they never consider their own faults or the consequences of driving their ICE age relics.
Thanks for sharing your experience.
EV owners are enjoying government honeymoon subsidies at every level at this stage. Unfortunately, it won’t last for long and people will realize increased cost very quickly.
Well we don’t get any subsidy to buy them or any subsidy for electricity. In the UK.
@@justgetatesla in Australia, some states are offering $6000 subsidy on purchase price, reduced yearly registration fee, plus no roads infrastructure levy.
Gasoline cars owners pay 40 cents per liter roads infrastructure levy at petrol stations. Plus if you lease, 100% payment will be deducted from your gross salary, again massive tax gain.
This is kind of very unfair treatment. So basically tax payers are funding EVs owners to enjoy their rides.
I’m not sure for how long this will be sustainable.
Great! But as I’m not in Australia and neither are most people on here, your blanket statement about govern subsidy isn’t applicable.
But my SKODA OCTAVIA 2012 cost 4 grand ,does av 62 mpg so WHY would i buy an EV ?
You wouldn’t! If you’re happy in a 12 year old car then your question isn’t why would you buy an EV it’s why would you buy a new car
charging is not exceptionally expensive , Insurance is very expensive !!
Lol don’t I know it! Insurance and costs videos coming next week
Well done on another great posting and another compelling argument why I should just get a Tesla. But the one question I’d like to see you address is, how can I justify spending a significant portion of my income to support Elon Musk and his politics?
What about supporting the thousands of people working at Tesla to help transition to sustainable energy? The mission is bigger than Elon.
Elon is a knob. But his political leanings are nothing to do with Tesla.
@@justgetatesla But his existence as CEO does, big time! He has made so many unfulfilled promises about Tesla EVs over the years that it is now being investigated in the US as potential fraudulent manipulation of share price. Tesla is also paying him a frankly jaw dropping bonus that he has demanded. This despite Tesla profits taking a serious nosedive recently. For the sake of Tesla owners (and nothing else) I hope the company keeps going but I think it is going to be touch and go in the medium to long term.
Part of the problem with fossil fuels is that the government taxes them to death, just wait till the government starts taxing EVs, but hopefully the air will be cleaner for our grand children cos this pollution ain't gonna go away for decades, gotta start somewhere which is good 😌
Bear in mind thats the costs for a rare very long trip. Now theres teh rest of the year cost when charging at home and mostly doing under 250 mile or less round trips. Then the tesla price becoems perhaps £5. Diesle cost stays teh same and stopping time becomes 5-10 mins once a week compared to not at all.THough really this shouldnt be the consideration, its that you arent spewing toxic fumes out the back of your car we all have to breathe in.
Cost me a couple of quid to charge the motor last night. I reckon 4.50 a week to charge the M3 RWD unless on long trips, which are not very often.
LOL hotel literally 2 seconds walk. Feel more lies coming our way
lol - you've never heard of comedic exaggeration?
Who was in charge of the vehicle when you were editing your video or were you Charing the vehicle at the time ??
I don’t understand the question…