Thank you for covering this topic. I work in sleep- I see so many kids being misdiagnosed with attention deficit issues but it’s more of a sleep issue. Elementary and high school students are too busy and sleep with cellphones. Or with TV on. Most people could careless about sleep. Most hated quote “ I will get enough sleep when I’m dead”.
PLEASE make a sticker that says "Science the crap out of it!" :D On a more serious note: Thank you for this video--it's a critical topic. I have to believe that my years of sleep deprivation--age 13-24, sleeping 6 hr or fewer per night [including weekends--no time to sleep in when you're a pre-vet, and then vet, student] contributed MAJORLY to all the chronic health issues I now experience. Had to take 2 years of medical leave and I'm trying to come back now, but I'm having to go through the Student Disability Center to get accommodations just to ensure that I can have at least 12 out of 24 hours in a day at home, which *might* allow me to get enough sleep to function...it's insane that graduate and professional students are seen as lazy and have their grades docked if they can't work more than 12 hr a day on campus, and have to get special accommodations just to be able to go home after that length of time and/or sit down for a few minutes every 4 hours. If you choose to go with the lower grades and try to take care of your physical and mental health, well, too bad, you won't get recommendations, won't land internships/residencies/post-docs even if you graduate, and won't get a job that allows you to even think of paying back student loans (OR medical bills). It's abusive.
My parents were firm believers in a routine for their children especially around evening and bed! I have always had a routine (especially at night!) with my kids. The evening were the same - dinner, wind down quiet activities, bath time, rocking chair story or songs, then bed. I never had to “sleep train” my kids ! They loved naps ( still do), never fought bedtime ( 7pm for little guys, 8pm elementary age and 9pm into Jr. high, max 10pm for HS) . Weekends were different and there were times for exceptions, but majority of times they got 8-10 hours of sleep. They got used to routine and as they looked back as older teens/ young adults, they all say they felt comforted by always knowing what was going on. They all grew up with a value put on sleep and rest and incorporate it into their busy lives as much as possible.
On the subject of early start school times... I have a friend who is a VP at an elementary school whose start time is 7 am....elementary kids!! It's ridiculous to start the little people that early let alone jr.h and HS. Hate it..they need to fix it but CCSD never does anything to fix their decades old problems. As for the hospital.... I work at Mt. View on the grave shift and I think it's ludicrous that pts are being woke up just after midnight to have their morning labs drawn because the doctors want results in before doing rounds. It's a joke how they have a sign posted in the corridor telling people to be quiet because it helps with a healing environment yet lab draws are more important than sleep. Pts hate it but I have no choice .....it's batch time and it needs to get drawn or else I'm considered useless cuz graveshift does nothing but sit around all night drinking coffee and watching videos on their phones. I hate the hospital setting...no wonder the pts take weeks upon weeks to recover and go home!!
So many shift workers act like that their sleep is negotiable... IT IS NOT! I say this as an RN while I watch this during the middle of my night shift. I have been working primarily NOC shift for the last 20+ years and you have to put your sleep (and therefore your sanity) first.
100% You forget what day it is, what time, YEAR, even drug yourself is fun.. its like OKAY 5MG OF MELATONIN VS 10 TODAY? My coworker took 100mg of BENADRYL during the lock in for the hurricane in Florida. D;
I have a lifetime of sleep deprivation from insomnia starting in highschool. My go to now, which has been pretty successful, is audio books on my tablet. Stephen Fry's voice is amazingly soothing, lol. Whether reading a story or giving a talk, or even one of several documentaries he's done. His voice is amazingly effective for me. Within 5 minutes of settling and turning on the audio choice Im usually asleep. As opposed to half an hour, 45 minutes or even longer without it. There are others I listen to, as well as soothing sounds like soft rain sounds etc. Surprisingly, I also find the sound of a train passing by to be relaxing, because as a very young child I lived where I could hear several trains each night. And I honestly think my insomnia began when we moved away from there and in to a place where I couldnt hear a train anymore.
Honest question: don't you find it frustrating to fall asleep to a book in that you have to find your place again? I can't do audiobooks at all for this reason. I fall asleep, and it is too annoying to try to find where I was again. Whereas with reading I can much more easily find where I fell asleep. I love love love "screens in bed", because I used to be awakened by being hit in the face by a book. Nowadays my phone just gently glides out of my hand. Another fun reading-sleep thing: Sometimes I fall asleep in the middle of a paragraph and dream the rest of the page or chapter. And if I wake up again, or even the next night, I am really surprised by how the book is actually written vs what my brain filled in while falling asleep.
I question whether the bizarre behaviors are actually a result of the sleep deprivation from stimulant induced insomnia. To further elaborate, if a meth user slept each night rather than staying awake for multiple days at a time, would it behave similarly to our prescribed stimulants?
When I don't get enough sleep, I get migraines. Now I have Menieres disease and it's been hell. Sleep is very important. I take naps whenever I can as a working single mom just to stay sane. Kudos to everyone working overnight shift in Hopsitals
In the 1980s a doctor came in the ICU and asked why the night shift and on call doctor did what they did the night before and my answer was that in the middle of the night, it made sense! We changed a lot of orders that morning.
The high schools here start at 7:20 am. They started at 7:20 25 years ago when I went to high school. I can't believe it hasn't changed. It's because of busses and so kids get out early enough to have an after school job. I hated it and actually failed my 1st period class the last 3 9 weeks of my junior and senior years because I missed so many classes from being late to school.
I was talking to someone about this and they brought up a good point. Isn’t one of the reasons for starting high school earlier so that students have more time in the afternoon for extracurriculars? My highschool was from 7:30 to 2:45, if you push that up to 4:45 wouldn’t extracurricular activities encroach even further into family/homework time and even sleep? Would like to see what the tribe thinks about this.
Do you think we are training our physicians to have no work/life balance ? Personally I think it could be a major contributor in addition to moral injury to burnout and suicide
By the way medical and veterinary medical students are treated, I would say yes. I'm a vet student, and particularly during clinical rotations, we're expected to work 16+ hours/day at the hospital (basically, until everything is done, then sometimes are on call after that and get called back in as soon as we're home to shower). If you take water/food/bathroom breaks any more often than 2-3 times for a couple minutes each during that day, you're seen as lazy and might have your grade docked. You have to get special accommodations through the *disability* office just to be able to have a 10 min break every 4 hours, or for any other needs you have, and clinicians will still IGNORE the legal requirement for the accommodations, treat you like dirt, dock your grade, and obviously not provide any recommendations for you (so then, no chance of getting competitive internships/residencies/etc.). I hear it's the same for med students.
@@rebeccashields9626 from what I have seen there is alot of time wasted at all levels of medical education from Undergrad through residency. But residency in particular there is alot of wasted time involved because residents are cheap compared to full physicians so there is an economic incentive to use them for menial tasks that take time but there really isnt much learning involved
I would argue if we got rid of alot of the wasted time and fat in our education system we could keep the whole thing about same length but train people to have a much better balance as part of their training
For me when I'm having an anxiety thing, I really have to focus and put my brain someplace else. It's the only thing that really helps me, to be left alone to just fix my mind. I do this thing where I put my worries into something as they come up and release them or burn them, depending n my mood. lol But it has really helped.
This is great! You should check out Mama Doctor Jones. She’s an OB/GYN with a YT channel. She has a great shirt that says, you don’t get to be offended by science. Check her out. Possible collab?
Back in high school I only slept 6 hours every night, watched the Tonght Show with Johnny Carson every night, Letterman sometimes. I'm down to 4 hours a day now. Odd...rarley sleep in then and now.
Overactive bladder. I haven't had a quality night's sleep in over 60 years. Up at least 3 times in a night (that's a good night). I have medication, also an implant for it, but nothing works. I'd love to have 7-8 hours without interruption.
Thank you for covering this topic. I work in sleep- I see so many kids being misdiagnosed with attention deficit issues but it’s more of a sleep issue. Elementary and high school students are too busy and sleep with cellphones. Or with TV on. Most people could careless about sleep. Most hated quote “ I will get enough sleep when I’m dead”.
PLEASE make a sticker that says "Science the crap out of it!" :D
On a more serious note: Thank you for this video--it's a critical topic. I have to believe that my years of sleep deprivation--age 13-24, sleeping 6 hr or fewer per night [including weekends--no time to sleep in when you're a pre-vet, and then vet, student] contributed MAJORLY to all the chronic health issues I now experience. Had to take 2 years of medical leave and I'm trying to come back now, but I'm having to go through the Student Disability Center to get accommodations just to ensure that I can have at least 12 out of 24 hours in a day at home, which *might* allow me to get enough sleep to function...it's insane that graduate and professional students are seen as lazy and have their grades docked if they can't work more than 12 hr a day on campus, and have to get special accommodations just to be able to go home after that length of time and/or sit down for a few minutes every 4 hours. If you choose to go with the lower grades and try to take care of your physical and mental health, well, too bad, you won't get recommendations, won't land internships/residencies/post-docs even if you graduate, and won't get a job that allows you to even think of paying back student loans (OR medical bills). It's abusive.
Zdog and Dr. Blair Duddy - thank you so much for bringing this very important information to the public.
My parents were firm believers in a routine for their children especially around evening and bed! I have always had a routine (especially at night!) with my kids. The evening were the same - dinner, wind down quiet activities, bath time, rocking chair story or songs, then bed. I never had to “sleep train” my kids ! They loved naps ( still do), never fought bedtime ( 7pm for little guys, 8pm elementary age and 9pm into Jr. high, max 10pm for HS) . Weekends were different and there were times for exceptions, but majority of times they got 8-10 hours of sleep. They got used to routine and as they looked back as older teens/ young adults, they all say they felt comforted by always knowing what was going on. They all grew up with a value put on sleep and rest and incorporate it into their busy lives as much as possible.
On the subject of early start school times... I have a friend who is a VP at an elementary school whose start time is 7 am....elementary kids!! It's ridiculous to start the little people that early let alone jr.h and HS. Hate it..they need to fix it but CCSD never does anything to fix their decades old problems.
As for the hospital.... I work at Mt. View on the grave shift and I think it's ludicrous that pts are being woke up just after midnight to have their morning labs drawn because the doctors want results in before doing rounds. It's a joke how they have a sign posted in the corridor telling people to be quiet because it helps with a healing environment yet lab draws are more important than sleep. Pts hate it but I have no choice .....it's batch time and it needs to get drawn or else I'm considered useless cuz graveshift does nothing but sit around all night drinking coffee and watching videos on their phones. I hate the hospital setting...no wonder the pts take weeks upon weeks to recover and go home!!
So many shift workers act like that their sleep is negotiable... IT IS NOT! I say this as an RN while I watch this during the middle of my night shift. I have been working primarily NOC shift for the last 20+ years and you have to put your sleep (and therefore your sanity) first.
100% You forget what day it is, what time, YEAR, even drug yourself is fun.. its like OKAY 5MG OF MELATONIN VS 10 TODAY? My coworker took 100mg of BENADRYL during the lock in for the hurricane in Florida. D;
Z, i too wish to die quietly and in my sleep, not yelling and screaming like my passengers...
Thank you for addressing these very important topics
Drowsy driving is more dangerous than driving under the influence of alcohol or other drugs
"We're torturing our patients psychically"
Internal Medicine got hardcore.
*watches this video at 11pm with insomnia as college student with 6 and a half hour classes starting at 7*
I have a lifetime of sleep deprivation from insomnia starting in highschool. My go to now, which has been pretty successful, is audio books on my tablet. Stephen Fry's voice is amazingly soothing, lol. Whether reading a story or giving a talk, or even one of several documentaries he's done. His voice is amazingly effective for me. Within 5 minutes of settling and turning on the audio choice Im usually asleep. As opposed to half an hour, 45 minutes or even longer without it. There are others I listen to, as well as soothing sounds like soft rain sounds etc. Surprisingly, I also find the sound of a train passing by to be relaxing, because as a very young child I lived where I could hear several trains each night. And I honestly think my insomnia began when we moved away from there and in to a place where I couldnt hear a train anymore.
Honest question: don't you find it frustrating to fall asleep to a book in that you have to find your place again?
I can't do audiobooks at all for this reason. I fall asleep, and it is too annoying to try to find where I was again. Whereas with reading I can much more easily find where I fell asleep. I love love love "screens in bed", because I used to be awakened by being hit in the face by a book. Nowadays my phone just gently glides out of my hand.
Another fun reading-sleep thing: Sometimes I fall asleep in the middle of a paragraph and dream the rest of the page or chapter. And if I wake up again, or even the next night, I am really surprised by how the book is actually written vs what my brain filled in while falling asleep.
Lack of sleep may exacerbate the bizarre behaviors displayed by meth users who stay awake for days on end before crashing.
I question whether the bizarre behaviors are actually a result of the sleep deprivation from stimulant induced insomnia. To further elaborate, if a meth user slept each night rather than staying awake for multiple days at a time, would it behave similarly to our prescribed stimulants?
Lol the New England Journal of Duh
When I don't get enough sleep, I get migraines. Now I have Menieres disease and it's been hell. Sleep is very important. I take naps whenever I can as a working single mom just to stay sane. Kudos to everyone working overnight shift in Hopsitals
In the 1980s a doctor came in the ICU and asked why the night shift and on call doctor did what they did the night before and my answer was that in the middle of the night, it made sense! We changed a lot of orders that morning.
The high schools here start at 7:20 am. They started at 7:20 25 years ago when I went to high school. I can't believe it hasn't changed. It's because of busses and so kids get out early enough to have an after school job. I hated it and actually failed my 1st period class the last 3 9 weeks of my junior and senior years because I missed so many classes from being late to school.
I was talking to someone about this and they brought up a good point. Isn’t one of the reasons for starting high school earlier so that students have more time in the afternoon for extracurriculars? My highschool was from 7:30 to 2:45, if you push that up to 4:45 wouldn’t extracurricular activities encroach even further into family/homework time and even sleep? Would like to see what the tribe thinks about this.
The “kids” will sleep when you put them to bed and take the phones away at night.
Do you think we are training our physicians to have no work/life balance ? Personally I think it could be a major contributor in addition to moral injury to burnout and suicide
By the way medical and veterinary medical students are treated, I would say yes. I'm a vet student, and particularly during clinical rotations, we're expected to work 16+ hours/day at the hospital (basically, until everything is done, then sometimes are on call after that and get called back in as soon as we're home to shower). If you take water/food/bathroom breaks any more often than 2-3 times for a couple minutes each during that day, you're seen as lazy and might have your grade docked. You have to get special accommodations through the *disability* office just to be able to have a 10 min break every 4 hours, or for any other needs you have, and clinicians will still IGNORE the legal requirement for the accommodations, treat you like dirt, dock your grade, and obviously not provide any recommendations for you (so then, no chance of getting competitive internships/residencies/etc.). I hear it's the same for med students.
Residency is hard because unless you lengthen the program you have to work insane hours in order to learn everything you need to.
@@rebeccashields9626 from what I have seen there is alot of time wasted at all levels of medical education from Undergrad through residency. But residency in particular there is alot of wasted time involved because residents are cheap compared to full physicians so there is an economic incentive to use them for menial tasks that take time but there really isnt much learning involved
I would argue if we got rid of alot of the wasted time and fat in our education system we could keep the whole thing about same length but train people to have a much better balance as part of their training
I feel this may be an issue more present in America. I live in Canada and we start at 8:45
For me when I'm having an anxiety thing, I really have to focus and put my brain someplace else. It's the only thing that really helps me, to be left alone to just fix my mind. I do this thing where I put my worries into something as they come up and release them or burn them, depending n my mood. lol But it has really helped.
LOL!! Great video Zdogg!!
ZDogg the schools are terrible here. Just warning you.
This is great! You should check out Mama Doctor Jones. She’s an OB/GYN with a YT channel. She has a great shirt that says, you don’t get to be offended by science. Check her out. Possible collab?
Back in high school I only slept 6 hours every night, watched the Tonght Show with Johnny Carson every night, Letterman sometimes. I'm down to 4 hours a day now. Odd...rarley sleep in then and now.
Overactive bladder. I haven't had a quality night's sleep in over 60 years. Up at least 3 times in a night (that's a good night). I have medication, also an implant for it, but nothing works. I'd love to have 7-8 hours without interruption.