This married woman who Self-identified as a masculine woman… called me a pick-me. I called her a PASS-ME and told her to go bench press her husband 😂😂😂. I’ll be a pick me! It means I’m doing something right if I trigger a masculina
Black women have to make decisions on what they Really want. Is it worth it to become a boss chick just to be tired and unable to get along and work with a Husband. When you said many women are choosing solitude after years of bossing it I was like wow, I know black women like this.
Do you think the majority of educated, professional BW genuinely know what they want and what makes them happy? Or are there more living someone else’s ambitions never having truly uncovered their own true desires?
They want the rights but not the responsibilities that go with them. Which is a form of immaturity. Most women want feminism when it works to their advantage, and tradition when that works for to their advantage.
Bruh it aint for WW either... they talk the talk, but white women will sneakily fall in line under white men for good or bad (other than lesbs). Think about all those white feminists working with that monster Weinstein, talking "girl power" in public but keeping quiet in private for that $$$$.
Feminism is the equality of women in social, intellectual, educational, economical, and political spaces to name a few. We are not obligated to engage in all these spaces simultaneously or for forever, but if I apply to be a manager at Walmart then my pay should be the same as a man’s pay. Women could not buy property or get loans in the past. I would like a committee to really consider my application, education and background to deduce if I’m a good fit for a job instead of immediately dismissing me because of my gender. That being said feminism won’t save us. We still have to make decisions that are actually right for us, our purpose, our relationships, where God is leading us, and our real lifestyle. I’m great at my job and people keep calling to give me a promotion but I turn it down every time. I don’t want my job owning my life. I make a decent pay, I need time to spent with my family and take care of myself. How does it impact relationships 🤷🏽♂️ relationships are more tricky. It’s about making them work not political rights. Feminism created OPPORTUNITIES that did not exist 100 years ago, but I still need to MAKE DECISIONS about what I do and for how long.
That is a good description of second wave feminism and why it was necessary. That is a HIGHLY inaccurate description of fourth wave/intersectional feminism and what its agenda is. As a man I am an enthusiastic supporter of second wave feminism…yet an unapologetic opponent of where the movement is now. The movement as of 2023 has lost its moral compass and its way. Training women to see themselves as eternal victims without agency…and convincing that if they are not being given freedom without risk…and power without responsibility? They are being oppressed. When the reality is that they are simply seeing life as men have lived it for millennia. Iow, actual equality.
@@nnekaonyilofor THIS IS A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT: This is a battlefront, and men must acknowledge it as such. Feminist women are the adversaries. No straddling the fence. You are either or or not. Refusing to impregnate her strips away her power over you. The modern feminist endeavor has failed, leading to a shift in strategy. Presently, proponents are adapting by upholding the ideals central to feminism but avoiding the explicit use of the term. As Western governments gradually dismantle the bureaucratic support systems that enabled women to challenge traditional marital norms, leaders within the feminist movement seem to be strategically employing language to guide young women towards seeking financial stability from a partner without overtly expressing the need for a man. Their discourse often centers on the desire for financial security, avoiding explicit mentions of wanting a contented marriage or acknowledging a need for a man's support.
Talking about it and actually giving up the authority is two different things. They really are saying I would give it up if I still get my way. If not I'll just stay tired.
I'm thinking in general because we as individuals are all negotiating with life in terms of cherry picking the societal mores we like the fantasies we have about our own self worth & aspirations vs what "we" men & women are really worth in practice by the people willing or not to be with us We all espouse this stuff ... feminism, masculinity etc until it's time to pay the bill that comes with the belief then some folk rise to the occasion while others take several seats & never recover.
I think by now, we all know who pioneered the feminist movement in the United States and why. I think we also know that the movement only even considered black women as pawns and to boost numbers. I would agree that black women have been tired for a very long time, having not many choices, if any regarding how to make a living. Would we ask our "brothas" aka the communities of black men if they are included in the patriarchy? Why? And how it affects them and their communities? I think these are all good conversations to have, but people have to keep it real.
Some Black women tried to include themselves. It is still very much a WW movement. Black women related more to Alice Walker and Womanism, which is almost the same thing.
I think the overall definition of true feminism has changed up. I think from day one we were programmed into certain roles. Boys would get army men and toys leaning towards careers like police cars and trucks( mimicking 18 wheelers) and girls would always get the mock kitchen, laundry room and of course the baby doll. Boys dress up clothes were also leaning towards their socially acceptable career like the fireman play outfit/set while us girls only had the “princess” outfit. All of this mentally shaped us into “ traditional thinking” 30 years later Barbie no longer comes with Ken. She’s now being sold with a baby with no father and 1000+ careers.. definitely speaks volumes to where we are in society nowadays
Frfr I honestly felt that most black women, at least elder Millennials never really even thought about feminism. I know we didn't read about it in school, neither did we read bell hooks, unless we chose to on our own as adults. More recently, I've only heard this rhetoric come up as a kind of "gotcha" to black women.
I appreciate you asking. Somehow, BW need to learn to balance being a modern woman with what men (or their man) want. Right now things are skewed toward what we as BW want to do as women.
My 1st time on your channel. Im 38 and have only been hearing about this feminist talk the last 1-2 yrs. I think women would just like the option to work etc. Not necessarily meaning they have to. Some like working an some don't! 2 me being a boss felt like babysitting so i turned that hat in real quick yrs ago. But honestly speaking our generation an younger we didn't fight 4 any of this. We were just born jnto it an don't know much about it. Our parents encouraged us to get educated to be able to care 4 ourselves if need be. We got jobs so we weren't deemed lazy. My inlaws and parents were born in the 40s and they consider a non working woman lazy! Ive never had a female mention anything about feminism in life lol.
Most won't use the term "feminist". They will just say they don't need a man or something to that effect. I second what you said about being a boss aka babysitting! 👶🏽😅💯
Nothing personal but wouldn't it just be easier to go to another country well you don't have to worry about that as much I'll worry about somebody saying that one thing and they're not or pretending to be something that they're not and then go back to it after y'all get together it's not worth the headache
*THIS IS A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT: This is a battlefront, and men must acknowledge it as such. Feminist women are the adversaries. No straddling the fence. You are either or or not. Refusing to impregnate her strips away her power over you. The modern feminist endeavor has failed, leading to a shift in strategy. Presently, proponents are adapting by upholding the ideals central to feminism but avoiding the explicit use of the term. As Western governments gradually dismantle the bureaucratic support systems that enabled women to challenge traditional marital norms, leaders within the feminist movement seem to be strategically employing language to guide young women towards seeking financial stability from a partner without overtly expressing the need for a man. Their discourse often centers on the desire for financial security, avoiding explicit mentions of wanting a contented marriage or acknowledging a need for a man's support.*
It’s discourse- delving deeper into topics to encourage the listener to reconsider thought. Conversations require a twist or two rather than a straight line. 😊
I heard somewhere we all start out as feminists, men and women alike. Then life smacks us in the face and we fall in line to our gendered roles. Checks out, if you ask me *shrug
@@jinxsam8395I’m very critical about some feminist ideas but OP has valid points. These videos aren’t helping anyone if we are not able to have objective and thorough discussions.
@@Lalapizzle These conversations have already been had a million times. There's no convincing people whose sole purpose is the need to be right at everyone's expense and always playing "devil's advocate". They are not interested in any real-time solutions. If she wasn't too busy being combative, she would've seen that Nneka already answered those questions and offered actual solutions in this video and previous ones. No one has time for those juvenial verbal gymnastics. Countless women like OG Shahrazad Ali, Iyanla, Nneka, Crimson Cure, Chez Charde, pink book lessons, Daphne Sutton, Shalakemia, Bella rings, unsolicited security boss, Rivah etc. have all been giving them solutions but they don't listen to anything that isn't literally worshipping the ground they walk on.
@@jinxsam8395 lmao that’s not the answer to the question. My problem with a lot of liberal/feminist and also red pill advice is that they speak on theories amd not the current reality. They are very idealistic with their approach and are hell bent on blaming either gender for any wrong doings in relationships. Imo that doesn’t help anyone and most of these people do make these videos for cash grabs anyway. OP made a valid points actually.
How can a woman say that they are feminist yet still require a man to provide? That’s a contradiction
This married woman who Self-identified as a masculine woman… called me a pick-me. I called her a PASS-ME and told her to go bench press her husband 😂😂😂. I’ll be a pick me! It means I’m doing something right if I trigger a masculina
😂😂Damn!! Okay
I'm not a feminist at all, but I ignore masculine women, I will not argue with them. I don't want to trigger anyone.
Black women have to make decisions on what they Really want. Is it worth it to become a boss chick just to be tired and unable to get along and work with a Husband. When you said many women are choosing solitude after years of bossing it I was like wow, I know black women like this.
Do you think the majority of educated, professional BW genuinely know what they want and what makes them happy? Or are there more living someone else’s ambitions never having truly uncovered their own true desires?
They want the rights but not the responsibilities that go with them. Which is a form of immaturity.
Most women want feminism when it works to their advantage, and tradition when that works for to their advantage.
Right just a bunch of worthless chaotic thinkin and choice of living
I'm here Princess! Y'all don't take too long!
My mom was a big critic of feminism and knew it was only for ww.
Keep in mind she worked in corporate most her life.
Bruh it aint for WW either... they talk the talk, but white women will sneakily fall in line under white men for good or bad (other than lesbs). Think about all those white feminists working with that monster Weinstein, talking "girl power" in public but keeping quiet in private for that $$$$.
Above average definitely an anomaly, salute to moms
I like how you include yourself also, when speaking in generalities. That means you definitely do the rare thing of taking accountability.
Thank you for noticing that!
Happy Thanksgiving to you and your gang. Hope it's a blessed & safe one!! 🦃💐
DON'T PROBE AND ASK WHY SHE'S A FEMINIST, WALK AWAY. 💯
This video reminds me of the song, Where Have All The Cowboys Gone by Paula Cole.
Feminism is the equality of women in social, intellectual, educational, economical, and political spaces to name a few.
We are not obligated to engage in all these spaces simultaneously or for forever, but if I apply to be a manager at Walmart then my pay should be the same as a man’s pay.
Women could not buy property or get loans in the past.
I would like a committee to really consider my application, education and background to deduce if I’m a good fit for a job instead of immediately dismissing me because of my gender.
That being said feminism won’t save us. We still have to make decisions that are actually right for us, our purpose, our relationships, where God is leading us, and our real lifestyle.
I’m great at my job and people keep calling to give me a promotion but I turn it down every time. I don’t want my job owning my life. I make a decent pay, I need time to spent with my family and take care of myself.
How does it impact relationships 🤷🏽♂️ relationships are more tricky. It’s about making them work not political rights.
Feminism created OPPORTUNITIES that did not exist 100 years ago, but I still need to MAKE DECISIONS about what I do and for how long.
Thank you for outlining this. I am grateful for the opportunities created by feminism AND fully aware, as you say, it won’t save us. 💯
Excellent breakdown on feminism for black women, because it’s definitely a difference. 💯👍🏿❤️
That is a good description of second wave feminism and why it was necessary. That is a HIGHLY inaccurate description of fourth wave/intersectional feminism and what its agenda is.
As a man I am an enthusiastic supporter of second wave feminism…yet an unapologetic opponent of where the movement is now. The movement as of 2023 has lost its moral compass and its way. Training women to see themselves as eternal victims without agency…and convincing that if they are not being given freedom without risk…and power without responsibility?
They are being oppressed. When the reality is that they are simply seeing life as men have lived it for millennia. Iow, actual equality.
Beneficial Feminist! Only when it’s to your good. Just how I see it
I think Black women may fall under a third category, one that shares some aspects of both sides as well as neither side.
I like this description.
@@nnekaonyilofor THIS IS A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT: This is a battlefront, and men must acknowledge it as such. Feminist women are the adversaries. No straddling the fence. You are either or or not. Refusing to impregnate her strips away her power over you. The modern feminist endeavor has failed, leading to a shift in strategy. Presently, proponents are adapting by upholding the ideals central to feminism but avoiding the explicit use of the term. As Western governments gradually dismantle the bureaucratic support systems that enabled women to challenge traditional marital norms, leaders within the feminist movement seem to be strategically employing language to guide young women towards seeking financial stability from a partner without overtly expressing the need for a man. Their discourse often centers on the desire for financial security, avoiding explicit mentions of wanting a contented marriage or acknowledging a need for a man's support.
Talking about it and actually giving up the authority is two different things. They really are saying I would give it up if I still get my way. If not I'll just stay tired.
I'm thinking in general because we as individuals are all negotiating with life in terms of cherry picking the societal mores we like the fantasies we have about our own self worth & aspirations vs what "we" men & women are really worth in practice by the people willing or not to be with us
We all espouse this stuff ... feminism, masculinity etc until it's time to pay the bill that comes with the belief then some folk rise to the occasion while others take several seats & never recover.
A man can be a Feminist too
Hell no he cannot no real man is a feminist that's like putting a gun to your own head stupid
True
Yea they're absolutely the worst along with the Soyboys
Happy Thanksgiving sis!
I think by now, we all know who pioneered the feminist movement in the United States and why. I think we also know that the movement only even considered black women as pawns and to boost numbers.
I would agree that black women have been tired for a very long time, having not many choices, if any regarding how to make a living.
Would we ask our "brothas" aka the communities of black men if they are included in the patriarchy? Why? And how it affects them and their communities?
I think these are all good conversations to have, but people have to keep it real.
When women get hurt it leads to being an independent women and from my observation a lot of people claim they will be there for you when they were not
Happy thanksgiving please be safe while being out enjoy
💯
As someone who has never resonated with the movement, I'm curious. Did the "movement" include or factor in Black Women?
Some Black women tried to include themselves. It is still very much a WW movement. Black women related more to Alice Walker and Womanism, which is almost the same thing.
@@nnekaonyilofor interesting🤔
I think the overall definition of true feminism has changed up. I think from day one we were programmed into certain roles. Boys would get army men and toys leaning towards careers like police cars and trucks( mimicking 18 wheelers) and girls would always get the mock kitchen, laundry room and of course the baby doll. Boys dress up clothes were also leaning towards their socially acceptable career like the fireman play outfit/set while us girls only had the “princess” outfit. All of this mentally shaped us into “ traditional thinking” 30 years later Barbie no longer comes with Ken. She’s now being sold with a baby with no father and 1000+ careers.. definitely speaks volumes to where we are in society nowadays
Black women's idea about feminism is based on the books they read about?! 😱 C'mon, ma'am! For real?! Jesus Christ!
She made some debatable points but this video is all over the place
Frfr I honestly felt that most black women, at least elder Millennials never really even thought about feminism. I know we didn't read about it in school, neither did we read bell hooks, unless we chose to on our own as adults.
More recently, I've only heard this rhetoric come up as a kind of "gotcha" to black women.
What’s in the middle? How does that look
I appreciate you asking. Somehow, BW need to learn to balance being a modern woman with what men (or their man) want. Right now things are skewed toward what we as BW want to do as women.
My 1st time on your channel. Im 38 and have only been hearing about this feminist talk the last 1-2 yrs. I think women would just like the option to work etc. Not necessarily meaning they have to. Some like working an some don't! 2 me being a boss felt like babysitting so i turned that hat in real quick yrs ago. But honestly speaking our generation an younger we didn't fight 4 any of this. We were just born jnto it an don't know much about it. Our parents encouraged us to get educated to be able to care 4 ourselves if need be. We got jobs so we weren't deemed lazy. My inlaws and parents were born in the 40s and they consider a non working woman lazy! Ive never had a female mention anything about feminism in life lol.
Most won't use the term "feminist". They will just say they don't need a man or something to that effect. I second what you said about being a boss aka babysitting! 👶🏽😅💯
Interesting...
Nothing personal but wouldn't it just be easier to go to another country well you don't have to worry about that as much I'll worry about somebody saying that one thing and they're not or pretending to be something that they're not and then go back to it after y'all get together it's not worth the headache
*THIS IS A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT: This is a battlefront, and men must acknowledge it as such. Feminist women are the adversaries. No straddling the fence. You are either or or not. Refusing to impregnate her strips away her power over you. The modern feminist endeavor has failed, leading to a shift in strategy. Presently, proponents are adapting by upholding the ideals central to feminism but avoiding the explicit use of the term. As Western governments gradually dismantle the bureaucratic support systems that enabled women to challenge traditional marital norms, leaders within the feminist movement seem to be strategically employing language to guide young women towards seeking financial stability from a partner without overtly expressing the need for a man. Their discourse often centers on the desire for financial security, avoiding explicit mentions of wanting a contented marriage or acknowledging a need for a man's support.*
You nailed it!
@@nnekaonyilofor Thank you my sister. You make me proud. Keep going. We need you.
❤
I listen to your videos, the thing I don’t like is the way you go around the world to get to the point when you could just go straight to the point.
That’s my style. There are other creators who are straight to the point. Thanks for listening to my videos either way.
@@nnekaonyilofor Well those are the ones I watch, thanks for your advice.
It’s discourse- delving deeper into topics to encourage the listener to reconsider thought. Conversations require a twist or two rather than a straight line. 😊
@@nnekaonyiloforNneka, we love your style. Keep it up!
I heard somewhere we all start out as feminists, men and women alike. Then life smacks us in the face and we fall in line to our gendered roles.
Checks out, if you ask me *shrug
Certain roles just have logic attached to them.
Unfortunately men already knew their roles since the beginning of time
@@KevinSmith-xt8xr men are supposed to provide and protect, that’s not the reality in 2023
@@Lalapizzle provide for who, Protect what ? Where's ya dad at ?
@@Lalapizzle who's your leader ? Who's your personal of Authority?
Are you saying you can't be a tired feminist or boss? What's your thesis? What does being world-weary have to do with wanting equality?
Keep being combative strong independent feminist. 😤😤💪🏿💪🏿.... selective feminism until the bills come along 😂😂
Equality does not work. It is against human nature.
@@jinxsam8395I’m very critical about some feminist ideas but OP has valid points. These videos aren’t helping anyone if we are not able to have objective and thorough discussions.
@@Lalapizzle These conversations have already been had a million times. There's no convincing people whose sole purpose is the need to be right at everyone's expense and always playing "devil's advocate". They are not interested in any real-time solutions. If she wasn't too busy being combative, she would've seen that Nneka already answered those questions and offered actual solutions in this video and previous ones. No one has time for those juvenial verbal gymnastics. Countless women like OG Shahrazad Ali, Iyanla, Nneka, Crimson Cure, Chez Charde, pink book lessons, Daphne Sutton, Shalakemia, Bella rings, unsolicited security boss, Rivah etc. have all been giving them solutions but they don't listen to anything that isn't literally worshipping the ground they walk on.
@@jinxsam8395 lmao that’s not the answer to the question. My problem with a lot of liberal/feminist and also red pill advice is that they speak on theories amd not the current reality. They are very idealistic with their approach and are hell bent on blaming either gender for any wrong doings in relationships. Imo that doesn’t help anyone and most of these people do make these videos for cash grabs anyway. OP made a valid points actually.