I left out a few things because I didn't want to make the video longer since it's already quite lengthy. I hope this helps those who aren't familiar with Yoshi.
To append to DB3,3 counterplay: The mid followup and the low have a 12 frame gap, and it jails, so if you block any of the lows, MASH your i11 WS punish and you will get it as an option select Duck after DF1 every time, DF1,4 isnt a mixup as it jails, and DF1, DF1 can be fuzzied and stepped and interrupted CD2 is punishable CD1 is LAUNCH punishable FCDF4 doesnt give much of a mixup on hit, and another FCDF4 will lose to an i13 mid DB1 is seeable so practice seeing it (very unique animation too) Learn your frames, the Yoshi might know your character better than you do, so be ABSOLUTELY SURE on whats +4 or less, and of options that beat flash, spins, or a well buffered roo kick.
this actually taught me what not to do with yoshi more than how to fight him. I had no clue df1,4 jailed. I do know that fighting against someone who has great matchup knowledge against yoshi levels your game up immensely. makes you learn how to make use of raw stances and single pokes.
@@Niforse the db3,3 string is interruptible by 13f wr moves if you are on point, character like kazuya can launch you and Brian can get a ch launch with hs ws 3
I feel like this was the hardest anti video to follow iv ever watched. Why did you use the same characters? I wasnt sure who was the one and who was the one defending.
@@10FN0N3 yoush actually cant fly back, backflip and turnig 3+4 is road to rip Flying/dashing forward is too dangerous, cause there is truck of frames for each move & only ff4 has a potential
I think learning to duck and punish after df1 and the 3,1 string alone can make it easy to beat many yoshis until gold ranks. Make sure you punish all of his super risky things like fc df4 and even flash. Unfortunately this character has a habit of putting himself into 50/50s more than his opponent since his risk/reward is usually negative. Just don't mash or use guaranteed flashable moves/strings (which you should always learn as it is like 3 per character) and it becomes very hard to actually land flash. For god's sake stop mashing tech roll then complain you got swept when you've made no attempt to avoid it.
Yoshi is incredibly frustrating, but he definitely doesnt have everything. Yoshi isnt a traditional top tier in that he is perfect, the character has weaknesses and can lose, but his strength is that what he does, he does far too well. In a game who's meta revolves around very close range so much, Yoshi has defensive tools that disregard too many situations. Situations the vast majority of the cast have to hold, and wager life or death on one read, Yoshi creates incredible hesitation and skews risk reward to be uniquely favourable, requiring the rewiring of offensive flowcharts simply from the rules he breaks, top 15 bare fucking minimum. But Yoshi with all his damage and insane defense also has a lack of: Power mids Any meaningful lows outside of oki Plethora of plus frames Looping pressure or offense in general Very few actually threatening 50/50s Poor hitboxes that malfunction even more than they did in 7 A jab with a very poor hitbox And flash as a move isnt as spammable as you might think, whiffing in alot of regular situations youd expect it to work on the surface. If you really get into this matchup and learn the most common flowcharts, you will MINCE 90% of Yoshi players (because theyre SEVERELY carried) i believe in you man, shit isnt easy ;-;
Hey thanks for the video man I still feel that Yoshi is a lot to play against, he may not be great on the offense but is really hard to offense against. I feel like he's really good at 0, 1 and 2 range with an option for anything Ill be sleeping myself to this for the next couple weeks so no Yoshi will ever cheese me again and only the real good ones are able to beat me :) Thanks for your dedication
this video is great, but do you know how to deal with flash? feels like such a insane move, I get lauched all the time, sometimes I get plus and then boom parry lauch, so annoying
Don't use big frame moves as I mentioned in this video. Also, when you play against Yoshi, always keep in mind that he has flash. If you pressure him too much, you will get hit by it. This will help you mash less against Yoshi. Additionally, if you expect flash, always pause after plus frames or sidewalk, and be ready to launch Yoshi. Soon, he will change the timing of his flash, and then you will have to adapt as well.
@@devinnoel9066 thank you for your reply, but I’m still having a hard time understanding. So stepping into the foreground is not available. Does this have something to do with some leg animations needing to recover quicker?
@@Type1GoraCoversit’s because after yoshis 1,1 on normal hit in sword stance you are at -4 in crouch state and you can only step in the background from ducking
Like any lab character, but it’s not because yoshi is piss easy. It’s because people are too lazy to lab and let these bad yoshis get away with so much bullshit.
@@etienneduverney yeah I agree but it would be more intriguing to watch some other characters punish yoshi for the majority of viewers are probably new to tekken 8 or they don’t know much about yoshi frame data 📈
I left out a few things because I didn't want to make the video longer since it's already quite lengthy. I hope this helps those who aren't familiar with Yoshi.
very helpful as a yoshi main, this helps with tweaking my own gameplay by showing his weaknesses. great video!
Why are you pretending that any yoshi uses regular moves instead of just gimmicking people without yoshi fighting experience
To append to DB3,3 counterplay:
The mid followup and the low have a 12 frame gap, and it jails, so if you block any of the lows, MASH your i11 WS punish and you will get it as an option select
Duck after DF1 every time, DF1,4 isnt a mixup as it jails, and DF1, DF1 can be fuzzied and stepped and interrupted
CD2 is punishable
CD1 is LAUNCH punishable
FCDF4 doesnt give much of a mixup on hit, and another FCDF4 will lose to an i13 mid
DB1 is seeable so practice seeing it (very unique animation too)
Learn your frames, the Yoshi might know your character better than you do, so be ABSOLUTELY SURE on whats +4 or less, and of options that beat flash, spins, or a well buffered roo kick.
this actually taught me what not to do with yoshi more than how to fight him. I had no clue df1,4 jailed. I do know that fighting against someone who has great matchup knowledge against yoshi levels your game up immensely. makes you learn how to make use of raw stances and single pokes.
@@Niforse the db3,3 string is interruptible by 13f wr moves if you are on point, character like kazuya can launch you and Brian can get a ch launch with hs ws 3
I feel like this was the hardest anti video to follow iv ever watched. Why did you use the same characters? I wasnt sure who was the one and who was the one defending.
that "flash" is the most unfair move in the entire game
Suck it
Zero range, -15F, dont hear?
bruh you literally fly away and fly back 😒
@@10FN0N3 yoush actually cant fly back, backflip and turnig 3+4 is road to rip
Flying/dashing forward is too dangerous, cause there is truck of frames for each move & only ff4 has a potential
forcing yoshi mains to level up their game THATS THE SPIRIT SENPAI-CHAN
If you use Yoshi on both players, it gets confusing what you are trying to explain because you keep switching sides.
I think learning to duck and punish after df1 and the 3,1 string alone can make it easy to beat many yoshis until gold ranks. Make sure you punish all of his super risky things like fc df4 and even flash. Unfortunately this character has a habit of putting himself into 50/50s more than his opponent since his risk/reward is usually negative. Just don't mash or use guaranteed flashable moves/strings (which you should always learn as it is like 3 per character) and it becomes very hard to actually land flash. For god's sake stop mashing tech roll then complain you got swept when you've made no attempt to avoid it.
Also don't mash the 3+4 wakeup as it is flash punishable.
This character litereally yesterday give me psd for the overload of cancer
Yoshi is so dumb. Has everything now and they have the gull to nerf kazuya. They dont know what tf they are doing
Yoshi is incredibly frustrating, but he definitely doesnt have everything.
Yoshi isnt a traditional top tier in that he is perfect, the character has weaknesses and can lose, but his strength is that what he does, he does far too well.
In a game who's meta revolves around very close range so much, Yoshi has defensive tools that disregard too many situations.
Situations the vast majority of the cast have to hold, and wager life or death on one read, Yoshi creates incredible hesitation and skews risk reward to be uniquely favourable, requiring the rewiring of offensive flowcharts simply from the rules he breaks, top 15 bare fucking minimum.
But Yoshi with all his damage and insane defense also has a lack of:
Power mids
Any meaningful lows outside of oki
Plethora of plus frames
Looping pressure or offense in general
Very few actually threatening 50/50s
Poor hitboxes that malfunction even more than they did in 7
A jab with a very poor hitbox
And flash as a move isnt as spammable as you might think, whiffing in alot of regular situations youd expect it to work on the surface.
If you really get into this matchup and learn the most common flowcharts, you will MINCE 90% of Yoshi players (because theyre SEVERELY carried) i believe in you man, shit isnt easy ;-;
Obnoxious character
Hey thanks for the video man I still feel that Yoshi is a lot to play against, he may not be great on the offense but is really hard to offense against. I feel like he's really good at 0, 1 and 2 range with an option for anything
Ill be sleeping myself to this for the next couple weeks so no Yoshi will ever cheese me again and only the real good ones are able to beat me :)
Thanks for your dedication
Basically ssl or side walk left beats most of yoshis stuff.
Betrayel 😢
no xd
This character needs to die. Shut up
I feel like every player I encounter has watched this video for the last 10 years already... :(
this video is great, but do you know how to deal with flash? feels like such a insane move, I get lauched all the time, sometimes I get plus and then boom parry lauch, so annoying
Don't use big frame moves as I mentioned in this video. Also, when you play against Yoshi, always keep in mind that he has flash. If you pressure him too much, you will get hit by it. This will help you mash less against Yoshi. Additionally, if you expect flash, always pause after plus frames or sidewalk, and be ready to launch Yoshi. Soon, he will change the timing of his flash, and then you will have to adapt as well.
After attacking pause he flash you punish
Yoshi notations for the common flowcharts?
oki wall is punished combo? .. en el 7 si era castigo aqui ya no?
wait what? i am pretty sure last time i tested ff4 on block, jab did not hit if you duck out.
Yes you can duck and launch your opponent for jabbing after ff4
you must be doing b~d into ws21 to punish jab?
@@rosesnevercry yes
@@gibbybibby5031 i already showed that in “to evade jabs” section
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Yoshi on Yoshi crime 😢
SSL on DF1 after 1,1 on hit. I cannot pull off the sidestep on P2 side. Am I doing something wrong people?
You can't sidestep into the foreground because you're forced into a crouch state from 1,1
@@devinnoel9066 thank you for your reply, but I’m still having a hard time understanding. So stepping into the foreground is not available. Does this have something to do with some leg animations needing to recover quicker?
@@Type1GoraCoversit’s because after yoshis 1,1 on normal hit in sword stance you are at -4 in crouch state and you can only step in the background from ducking
@@gibbybibby5031 thank you all for the information 💪
yoshimitsu carries players ...
Like any lab character, but it’s not because yoshi is piss easy. It’s because people are too lazy to lab and let these bad yoshis get away with so much bullshit.
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Yo don't see to many anti char videos y u pick my main man man.
yeah no more cheese wins bud lol
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ion like this video man
Good vid F**** yoshi mains with a passion but why u using yoshi to punish yoshi bro bit dumb use another character
he's a yoshi player, just using his main. Any char has the same punish data, use your own punish move
@@etienneduverney yeah I agree but it would be more intriguing to watch some other characters punish yoshi for the majority of viewers are probably new to tekken 8 or they don’t know much about yoshi frame data 📈
@@etienneduverney steve has different punish
@@DonPablo96what is there to see with another character? This is not a punishment guide, but a anti guide
@@gibbybibby5031 welcome to the comment section everyone has a opinion sunshine get with it
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