Okay, here's my own take. The episode's strengths include beautiful outdoor photography (I'm old enough to have seen the episode in syndication long before either the 1978 Viacom or the later CBS remasters, so inconsistency in the quality from shot to shot is indeed jarring, but at least i can tell you it wasn't always like that), and loving attention paid to Sweet Julie Newmar in her magnificent prime. The episode's weaknesses include the ghastly transition from outdoor shots to stage sets and back again; some truly wretched acting by the guest cast; some really tortured "logic" displayed by the indigenous culture; and some of the same rampant sexism that makes portions of 1967's "Bread and Circuses" so cringeworthy. As for the last sequence, I find that is some pure Gene Coon intervention stuff, and it plays well. Dorothy Fontana was and remains one of Trek's finest writers, but she can't do levity. She just can't. What is less clear is how much was most likely rewritten in the middle of the production night by Roddenberry himself, but it was probably extensive. You know yourself all the stories about Roddenberry constantly slowing down production with his ferocious late night sessions at his manual typewriter. That well-circulated photograph of Shatner and Nimoy in costume and on location during this episode's production, reading the latest issue of MAD Magazine, was probably shot during one of these downtimes caused by Roddenberry's constant last-minute rewrites.
I love all seven (all nine if you include the two Filmation episodes) of the original series' Klingon stories, including Friday's Child. Some people have a problem with the Klingon scout ship in this episode, but ever since I was a kid, it's always seemed perfectly logical to me. It's pointed at the front, like most of the shuttlecraft we've seen, with two nacelles at the back. The strange glow, whilst not an invisibility cloak, could be an early stealth screen technology. It'a good video! Qapla'!
The only problem I have with this episode is the use of the communicators to blow up the rocks. All of a sudden a communicator has a convenient new function, and it feels overpowered. In addition to that I doubt that the sonic beam which effects stone to be smashed doesn't have an effect on humans. At all. And the phrase "The sound beams should produce a sympathetic vibration on the weak area of that slide" sounds silly to me.
Hello TrekkieChannel, I want to give you my honest feedback in the spirit of peace and friendship. You ask if maybe the dubbing is bad or the editing. I can't say for certain, because I don't understand your native language anyway, all I can say is that usually the dialogues, the motivations and the actions are understandable, even when the editing is unsatisfactory. Not everything is spelled out. It is not explained why Maab leaves them in the tent when he just wanted to kill her. "Mob Rules" is a funny word play. Not sure if you're joking or being serious when you see the message "if she doesn't want you to touch her, then slap her" in Bones' attempt to care for her unborn child. It's not the first time that you see a message where there is none, and you always sound serious, so I have to think that you don't understand what is going on in that particular scenes. All of your quick thoughts follow a certain pattern, your impressions seem to be more or less identical in each episode, and they seem to be influenced by the Plinkett Reviews, only that the Plinkett Reviews usually make real good points. Your emphasis is on being ciritical of the technical side, the story itself, the real lessons to be learned, the intricacies of the plots seem to be of minor importance. Sometimes your points feel like nitpicks, like, who cares why Maab has left them in the tent, alive, he has a reason, and this reason is not really important for the story. You don't like that Eleen gets pushed into the fire where she burns her hand, and because of this you don't like Maab, who has also just overthrown the kind and sympathetic high teer, and generally comes off as a dangerous man. Good, that means the villain is well written and well played. But he's also not a black and white villain, he is written as being a part of his tribe and taking over the tribe by force seems integral to the tribe. Furthermore the reasons for his decisions are all mentioned in the dialogues, the tribe follows a strict moral code, and his final act of giving Eleen back her life and giving up his must follow that code. I think that's it for this episode. I hope I wasn't too harsh on you, I like "Quick Thoughts" on Star Trek, and hope you will continue making them.
"Not sure if you're joking or being serious when you see the message "if she doesn't want you to touch her, then slap her"" - jesus, I was hoping that it's absolutely clear that I was joking :) Yes, I'm doing these kind of remarks in many of the videos and until now I was hoping it's clear that they're not meant to be taken seriously. " and they seem to be influenced by the Plinkett Reviews" - really? Well, if yes, that's definitely not intentional. I like redlettermedia, so maybe there is some unintentional inspiration, but definitely not an intentional one. "I hope I wasn't too harsh on you," - absolutely not, I like fair criticism. "I like "Quick Thoughts" on Star Trek, and hope you will continue making them." - thank you very much, yes, that's the plan.
I agree. Ma'ab took over the 12 Tribes in keeping with the cultural honor code. He did so because he believed the Klingon's lies. He wasn't necessarily evil, just deceived. When the true nature of the Klingon deception was revealed to him by Kras's (he was unnamed in the dialogue, but not in the credits) treachery, he realized 3 things: A) if Ele'en had lied to him about killing the baby and the Federation representatives, then the heir of Aka'ar must still be alive, B) if he could be so easily duped by the Klingon representative, he couldn't wisely lead the 12 Tribes, and C) the infant would need a regent to rule in his stead until he was of age. So he sacrificed himself to restore the proper succession, atone for his credulity, and have the child's mother raise it properly. Having a female regent would probably have been a first for that culture, though.
@@JAMESLEVEE My interpretation of the ending was that Maab spared Eleen's life and forfeited his own because she had urged the Capellans to attack the Klingon and he had held back, thus disgracing himself, while she had shown herself to be a true Capellan. But your suggestion is also certainly possible.
A really lackluster episode, even more disappointing since it features Julie Newmar and Dorothy Fontana wrote it. Kirk really has nothing to do to motivate the story. Scotty actually does more with the phony distress call plotline. I'd put it near the bottom of season two.
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I agreed! 7/10. This episode was good!
Okay, here's my own take. The episode's strengths include beautiful outdoor photography (I'm old enough to have seen the episode in syndication long before either the 1978 Viacom or the later CBS remasters, so inconsistency in the quality from shot to shot is indeed jarring, but at least i can tell you it wasn't always like that), and loving attention paid to Sweet Julie Newmar in her magnificent prime.
The episode's weaknesses include the ghastly transition from outdoor shots to stage sets and back again; some truly wretched acting by the guest cast; some really tortured "logic" displayed by the indigenous culture; and some of the same rampant sexism that makes portions of 1967's "Bread and Circuses" so cringeworthy.
As for the last sequence, I find that is some pure Gene Coon intervention stuff, and it plays well. Dorothy Fontana was and remains one of Trek's finest writers, but she can't do levity. She just can't. What is less clear is how much was most likely rewritten in the middle of the production night by Roddenberry himself, but it was probably extensive. You know yourself all the stories about Roddenberry constantly slowing down production with his ferocious late night sessions at his manual typewriter. That well-circulated photograph of Shatner and Nimoy in costume and on location during this episode's production, reading the latest issue of MAD Magazine, was probably shot during one of these downtimes caused by Roddenberry's constant last-minute rewrites.
7 out of 10. I think you're too generous. If this episode were to be lost, I doubt anyone would miss it.
I would. I loved it.
@@jerobriggs6861, especially the funny ending banter!
I love all seven (all nine if you include the two Filmation episodes) of the original series' Klingon stories, including Friday's Child.
Some people have a problem with the Klingon scout ship in this episode, but ever since I was a kid, it's always seemed perfectly logical to me. It's pointed at the front, like most of the shuttlecraft we've seen, with two nacelles at the back. The strange glow, whilst not an invisibility cloak, could be an early stealth screen technology.
It'a good video! Qapla'!
Lucky MacCoy. Who wouldn't want Catwoman allowing only your touch?
ClassicCinemaMC not worth it. She wasn't in heat and made him keep her baby. (Atleast it wasn't a litter)
The only problem I have with this episode is the use of the communicators to blow up the rocks. All of a sudden a communicator has a convenient new function, and it feels overpowered. In addition to that I doubt that the sonic beam which effects stone to be smashed doesn't have an effect on humans. At all. And the phrase "The sound beams should produce a sympathetic vibration on the weak area of that slide" sounds silly to me.
I agree. While I'm not absolutely against removing the rocks using sound, the execution just doesn't work (for me).
Hello TrekkieChannel, I want to give you my honest feedback in the spirit of peace and friendship.
You ask if maybe the dubbing is bad or the editing. I can't say for certain, because I don't understand your native language anyway, all I can say is that usually the dialogues, the motivations and the actions are understandable, even when the editing is unsatisfactory. Not everything is spelled out. It is not explained why Maab leaves them in the tent when he just wanted to kill her.
"Mob Rules" is a funny word play.
Not sure if you're joking or being serious when you see the message "if she doesn't want you to touch her, then slap her" in Bones' attempt to care for her unborn child. It's not the first time that you see a message where there is none, and you always sound serious, so I have to think that you don't understand what is going on in that particular scenes.
All of your quick thoughts follow a certain pattern, your impressions seem to be more or less identical in each episode, and they seem to be influenced by the Plinkett Reviews, only that the Plinkett Reviews usually make real good points. Your emphasis is on being ciritical of the technical side, the story itself, the real lessons to be learned, the intricacies of the plots seem to be of minor importance. Sometimes your points feel like nitpicks, like, who cares why Maab has left them in the tent, alive, he has a reason, and this reason is not really important for the story.
You don't like that Eleen gets pushed into the fire where she burns her hand, and because of this you don't like Maab, who has also just overthrown the kind and sympathetic high teer, and generally comes off as a dangerous man. Good, that means the villain is well written and well played. But he's also not a black and white villain, he is written as being a part of his tribe and taking over the tribe by force seems integral to the tribe. Furthermore the reasons for his decisions are all mentioned in the dialogues, the tribe follows a strict moral code, and his final act of giving Eleen back her life and giving up his must follow that code.
I think that's it for this episode. I hope I wasn't too harsh on you, I like "Quick Thoughts" on Star Trek, and hope you will continue making them.
"Not sure if you're joking or being serious when you see the message "if she doesn't want you to touch her, then slap her"" - jesus, I was hoping that it's absolutely clear that I was joking :) Yes, I'm doing these kind of remarks in many of the videos and until now I was hoping it's clear that they're not meant to be taken seriously.
" and they seem to be influenced by the Plinkett Reviews" - really? Well, if yes, that's definitely not intentional. I like redlettermedia, so maybe there is some unintentional inspiration, but definitely not an intentional one.
"I hope I wasn't too harsh on you," - absolutely not, I like fair criticism.
"I like "Quick Thoughts" on Star Trek, and hope you will continue making them." - thank you very much, yes, that's the plan.
I agree. Ma'ab took over the 12 Tribes in keeping with the cultural honor code. He did so because he believed the Klingon's lies. He wasn't necessarily evil, just deceived. When the true nature of the Klingon deception was revealed to him by Kras's (he was unnamed in the dialogue, but not in the credits) treachery, he realized 3 things: A) if Ele'en had lied to him about killing the baby and the Federation representatives, then the heir of Aka'ar must still be alive, B) if he could be so easily duped by the Klingon representative, he couldn't wisely lead the 12 Tribes, and C) the infant would need a regent to rule in his stead until he was of age. So he sacrificed himself to restore the proper succession, atone for his credulity, and have the child's mother raise it properly. Having a female regent would probably have been a first for that culture, though.
@@JAMESLEVEE My interpretation of the ending was that Maab spared Eleen's life and forfeited his own because she had urged the Capellans to attack the Klingon and he had held back, thus disgracing himself, while she had shown herself to be a true Capellan. But your suggestion is also certainly possible.
A really lackluster episode, even more disappointing since it features Julie Newmar and Dorothy Fontana wrote it. Kirk really has nothing to do to motivate the story. Scotty actually does more with the phony distress call plotline. I'd put it near the bottom of season two.