I like the extra debris in the remaster shots, and the interior of the beastie looks more hellish in the remaster, but other than that, I think the original is good enough. Great job with the side-by-side!
One thing about "hellish" - there's a lot of machinery in that thing. Seems like it would be rather harder to make it work if it was glowing red- to yellow-hot, and why isn't the shell glowing too?
the original VFX scenes have a certain older lower budget charm to them that i do like, but i think the remastered ones definitely make a lot of scenes a lot more dramatic. the different shot types they use and the more dramatic lighting make them more dynamic and exciting to watch and remind me a lot of TNG's effects, but i do appreciate the original ones for what they could do at the time!!
Even if older vfx don't hold up, I think they should be left alone as a product of their time. Vfx are always evolving. The remaster looks archaic now, just like the original did when they did the remaster. "No art is ever completed, only abandoned," they say. I wish that were the case in this instance.
The damaged starship is improved in the remaster; I totally hate the changes to the doomsday machine (has it changed from several years ago?): - original exterior has a structure that looks like an actual asteroid-like surface - remaster looks triangulated CGI with a camouflage pattern on it. Camouflage in space? - original has structure / mechanism in the opening and that evil electrical hiss - remaster has a flame effect (whoopee!)
The original looks like there's actual machinery in there to move it, control it, generate and store power, generate cutting and tractor beams, and it's consistent with the Star Trek universe effects -- not just a flame effect. A flame effect in space, where there's no air...
Actually the much greater damage they gave to the Constellation in the remastered version really makes it allot harder to believe that the ship could still have had any internal atmosphere. The relatively minimal amount of damage to the Constellation in the original actually makes allot more sense for the reason I just stated. It was enough damage for the ship to still have it's atmosphere but at the same time it was enough to believe the Constellation could be crippled the way it was. Especially because of the damage to the warp nacelles. The smaller amount of external damage in the original fx is also more in line with what Decker stated that they had attacked the Planet Killer from a great distance and not up close the way the Enterprise does in this episode. Which could have meant maybe that they attacked it at maximum phaser range. But oh well that's just my thoughts on that. The rest of the fx are pretty good. But couldn't they have put a neat little tractor beam effect between the Enterprise and the Connie as she was being towed. I am sure that would not have taken that much time or effort to have done that!! But a really great piece of television anyway!
They said the bridge was destroyed. I like that the impulse engines light up and propel the ship without the chug-chug-chug of someone tugging on the model. We also heard of emergency bulkhead doors closing like in _Star Trek VI_ but never saw them. The scene in that movie is out of place: shown after the Excelsior gets hit and not after a torpedo breaches part of the Enterprise. Though someone pointed out the ship design on a background monitor is the Enterprise-A
Viewing the original, I had the impression the Planet Killer was much longer, with the taper providing forced perspective. The remaster doesn't make use of that, so it looks kind of stumpy.
It looks like there's actual machinery in there to move it, control it, generate and store power, generate cutting and tractor beams, instead of just a flame effect. A flame effect, in space, where there's no air...
Yes, the interior "fire" effects look real in the original but the CGI version looks like a cartoon of a camp fire. It's the biggest defect of the CGI version.
I remember the first time I watched TOS, I didn't know I was watching the remastered one, and was like "wow, that's pretty good effects for the 1960s" 😂
It's more like a bad cartoon rendering. The ship in the original was 'real' not a bad facsimile in the remastered one. Watch the original... then go back and watch the remastered one. I hope you will be of the opinion that the un-remastered one was epic for it's time and should never have been touched.
@@dennish300 Nah, I was around for the original version and they did the best they could with what they had, but the remastered version is a definite improvement. You gotta go with the times and take advantage of modern technology whenever you can.
@@dennish300 Well yeah, it is definitely cartoony and bad looking by our standards today. It's just I didn't realize I was looking the remastered version and was just momentarily impressed that *1966* could pull that off.
Doomsday machine has honestly some of the best acting in all of TOS from Commodore Decker. You can totally see it in him, broken man desperate to avenge his crew and his ship, and eventually saw giving his own life to scratch at the machine as the only fitting penance for their deaths.
The funny thing is the actor didn't like being in the episode and decided to over-act and be overly dramatic because he felt it was a silly kids thing. And that decision gave us one of the most powerful performances in the franchise.
He also did a good job in his role as President in the Escape from the Planet of the Apes. He seemed ok with the world becoming the planet of the apes in the future so long as it didn't happen during his administration.
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The music as the doomsday machine is coming up behind the Enterprise has got to be THE MOST incredibly dramatic music EVER!!!!!!!!! Everytime I hear it, it sends chills down my spine!!!!!!!!! All of the music from this episode is SPECTACULAR! This episode is without a doubt my favorite, and it always has been!!!!!!!
Well, it was adapted well into other episodes, but nothing tops "TDM"!!!!!!!! The moment when the doomsday machine comes up behind the Enterprise, and the moment when Decker took command (with music that almost sounded like a Mexican standoff) were AMAZING!!!!!!!! The other moments were when the Enterprise came up on the dead Constellation, and the music was like a funeral dirge, and then when the dead Constellation came back to life. WHEW!!!!!!!!!!! It sends chills up and down my spine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't know. For the 1967 episode was pretty dam epic. The writing. The acting. The music and special effects. People poured their hearts and souls into bringing this Iconic show into our homes.
@@NeocadeX i know but it wasn't until 2004 that every film low or high budget could use full-range CGI, until then only big budge block busters or what ever they are called where able to do that
I think the only shot that doesn't QUITE work in the updated effects is the disabling of the Planet Killer. Not that the effects are bad, but for some reason the thing has suddenly stopped dead in space as it was eating the Constellation instead of still being in motion when it occurs.
One thing I thing was a minus was changing the color from the blue of the original to the gray of the remastered. When the Constellation explodes in the original, it goes from that vibrant blue to the gray, while the remastered doesn’t have much of a change, just something that seemed to go better in the original for my 2 cents.
I was pretty into it until the shuttle bay. It still looks pretty good for 2007, but I think matching some of the scenes more closely could have helped hide some jankyness. Those original FX shots were probably designed entirely around minimizing jank of a different kind.
I disliked that it looked like the shuttle was going to damn near crash into the doors that hadn't opened enough for it to leave. Like damn, maybe don't drift through them, jeez
The original shuttle bay shot caught me off guard, it looked gorgeous! I'm surprised they made such a drastic change from the original composition of the shot and everything.
I am in the camp that original Doomsday machine is a lot better. The score holds the stage here. Excellent to make the moment filled with suspense. Equal to the Jaws score.
Can you imagine this episode without the music? To this day it is has its own gripping suspense and persona. Sure, it has aged ... but man, is it ever classic. There's another video out there that delves into how the various musical themes are attached to certain elements of the plot and screenplay. It really does this musical accompaniment activity as well or better than anything else I can think of off the top of my head. To this day...
The original doomsday machine itself looks better I think. The cgi one looks… cheaper somehow. The Starfleet ships look better as cgi (except for the shots of the full size Enterprise, which looks great). Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
Original doomsday machine has a sense of being unknowable , even the shimmering mouth opening which appears to be without depth compared to remastered CGI. 1701 does look good in CGI model tho. OG doomsday tells the story better visually.
One of those rare moments where I actually prefer the original effect to the redone version. That tinfoil cone (or however they did it) lives on in my childhood mind as utterly terrifying. The CG update is okay but to me something's missing. GREAT episode, though. One of the best. And most of the other updates are a definite improvement.
The remastered version doesn't feel old. The OG version was skinnier with thinner walls that you could see the stars through sometimes nd it was irregularly shaped at the tail end. It looked like it was so ancient that even its indestructible hull was wearing through.
@@lorzon It was supposed to be ancient and the irregular shape was described in the book. The star effects were added later, hence looking see-through at times.
@@Thurgosh_OG Yes, being able to see the stars through the hull is a result of the production methods available at the time. That doesn't stop it from adding to the conception that the Machine is ancient beyond comprehension.
Y'know, the biggest problem I have is with the way the remasterd shuttle leaves to Enterprise. That was some pretty reckless piloting that could have smashed into the sides of the shuttlebay.
They do that for almost all the shuttlecraft remastered scenes. I liked the original takeoff and landing, but someone didn't probably because it was the same two shots reused. Also they didn't get the hangar quite right as the circle and square don't match the floor in live-action.
@@sandal_thong8631 they don’t even bother to match the live action shuttle prop with digital. Piss poor cgi that looked awful and dated immediately in 2006.
A lot of people seem to like the originals, but seeing an AMT plastic model Enterprise kit that's been partially melted with a blowtorch just ruins the illusion for me. Generally speaking I like the updated VFX. Maybe in another 20-30 years they'll update them again.
The main reason I sometimes like the originals better is that the remakes can have outdated, plasticky looking CGI at times. But that's not all of the time. The planets always look better as do most of the new ships.
I don't mind the new VFX, but the way it's implemented with dramatically different color and cinematography just feels mismatched. They should have kept to simpler shots and camera movement that fit the tone and style of the show.
The updated VFX made watching all of TOS much more enjoyable for me personally. I never really minded the bridge set, all the switches and stuff has a retro appeal, but the space shots looked fake and bugged me. I'm honestly not sure I could have made it through all the episodes with the original VFX. (And I grew up seeing reruns of them on TV, so it's not like I absolutely hated TOS or anything.)
I just marathoned TOS last month, and I personally really enjoyed the updated VFX. My only complaint is that some of the models look too smooth, but maybe that's just more about keeping in time with the look of the rest of the show. The updated planets in orbit sequences look 100% better.
The CGI gets more hate than it should, but I really wish they had waited for the 50th to do it. It would look much better. I am glad they put both versions on the blu-ray releases
Well because the cgi is not great and actually looks more dated now than original model shots because models will always look real as.they are real! I have originals on dvd
Nah, the way the CGI was done was a stylistic choice in order to more closely resemble the original. And it objectively looks better, take off your nostalgia glasses.
It may have looked better if they waited fifty years or even sixty, but why wait that long? Computer technology has advanced greatly by the 2000s and this was already forty years after the original show. That's rather great timing to achieve enhance greatness by then. We don't need things looking super updated by sitting off on it for ten or twenty more years. Just updating after a couple decades when such tweaking can be done is fine by me especially for a low budget TV show like this one that doesn't warrant anything overly done in enhancements. I'm shocked they didn't do this in the late 1990s at the thirty-year mark when the Star Wars special editions came out and did rather well visually for the most part and those were big, budgeted films. Star Trek just needed minimum enhancements at best and the technology then was grand enough to pull that off and be accepted for what it's worth regardless if a touched up in mid-2000s, 2010s, or 2020s would have looked better if done then. Let's not get carried away now.
Not really sure about the aesthetic choices for the death machines itself, as well as how some shots go. The OG has a sort of menace that the new version somehow lacks. Something about the movement seems cheap and silly.
Seemed kinda weird that it did the 'keeling over death animation' thing too. Like.. you're in space, with no gravity. Why is it doing that. The original actually made more sense that it just kinda visibly 'died' but was just there
@@FluffyDragon What happened it stopped being powered but being in a vacuum it would still continue to move. It just wouldn't steer on a straight course. That's why it went a little weird and crooked after its engines had been blown
I'm always telling other fans how much this is my favourite episode, especially because of the Remastered Version. It really showcases how much of an improvement it's made, especially with the Constellation damage, the Doomsday Machine itself and the space battles. I love the way the Enterprise manoeuvres and fires. The whole thing feels more like it fits in with the more modern Treks.
That's the exact reason why they did the remastering: when they sent the DS9 gang to "The Trouble With Tribbles" they needed the exterior shots of the Enterprise, the Klingon battlecruiser and K-7 to be consistent with what had come before on TNG, DS9 and Voyager.
Boy there's a lot of people who are so emotionally invested they can't stand change, I think. Who wants people to laugh at bad special effects of an episode you love? Or have it be a future "Mystery Science 3000" episode? One thing I haven't seen mentioned is the rear-view shots with the na-celles framing them is really good!
I generally dislike the remasters but I total understand why people like them. This one out of all I think benefits least from them as the original effects hold up really well.
The hand drawn phaser effect just brings you out of the immersion, absolutely not holding up at all, the editing and camera works made the ship and the doomsday machine look like a 10 year-old filming his model set with paper cutouts.
I just saw the remastered version of this episode for the first time on MeTV tonight. The doomsday machine was much more frightening with the original effects. And the remastered explosion at the end was a joke. I can understand cleaning up the original film to make it look better, but making major changes to the original special effects really ruins the experience.
The only effect I didn't want replaced was the opening credits, as a child, I was enamored by the Enterprise passing the planet from left to right, just the look of the vessel left me with a sense of appreciation that the remaster just didn't quite get.
I appreciate the remasters for trying to keep to the vision and the aesthetic of the original, but I feel like something is lost with them. Every time I see the remastered graphics, I am reminded that it is not the original.
It made things more lively, but didn't change anything important. The models look like they did before, but sharper. The machine itself looks about the same ,but just executed better.
I really don't like the machine falling over after the explosion in the remaster vs. just staying still in the original. It's in space, not near any massive objects, so it wasn't fighting gravity. If the explosion was uneven that would have put it into a spin, not just moved the front down and then stopped.
First watched the original in the 60's while in 4th grade, after reading the then, Foundation Trilogy. The show blew my mind, as the novels open it up. The remastered content brought it all back. Thanks so much!
Woof, those wonky nacelles in the original really stand out. I don't care so much about CGI or not, but on the balance I think the much more dynamic external shots are worth it.
I guess it's not the consensus here, but I greatly prefer the original effects. They say that the original series didn't have much of a budget, but for some reason it had amazing production design, even though according to IMDb it only had a production designer for the first few episodes, a guy named Walter Jeffries (namesake of the "Jeffries tubes"), he's also credited on almost every other episode as an art director so maybe that's the same thing? There's also another frequent art director named Rolland Brooks. Whoever was in charge of that, they did such a good job of constructing that instantly iconic look and feel that it stands out like a sore thumb when some random person comes in and tries to """improve""" it. TNG also had very good production design, and people try to update its effects at times, however these changes are mostly really subtle, it would have been nice if that was the case for TOS also (I see a very wonky effect at 2:00), but I think some people just have a weird bias against model shots and think that literally any CGI effect is better.
For sure, I really like the general look of the planet killer and the mouth especially has a more alien look to it than the comparatively lame glow on the remaster
The effects are generally more dynamic and realistic in the remastered versions, but the old school effects have their own charm and sometimes they actually look better. In this case I think the "flame" effects inside the Planet Killer are more effective in the original. They're not as bright in the remaster, so they look less eerie and dangerous. I wish they'd gone for more of a middle ground with the remasters, so we'd see more improved versions of the original shots instead of all new shots. The shuttle leaving the bay looks "better" in the remaster, for example, but it has a very different feel. I like the shots where it feels like the CGI artists are doing the stuff the show's creators would have done, if they had the tech. I enjoy the remasters and it gives you a fun reason to re-watch the old episodes to see what's changed.
My thoughts exactly. If they had kept to the original look and just enhanced it to a bit more of a "realistic" effect instead of redoing it entirely, I'd likely lean towards the remaster in this case, which more often than not I do.
Definitely more of a fan of the 1960s effects. They could have done a better job in 2006/2007 (there's some fan effect projects from that era that blow CBS's efforts out of the water), but CGI technology still wasn't quite where it needed to be then to really do this justice. It looks too much like CGI and they could have done a better job matching the original aesthetic while still having more dynamic effects. The lighting is very different and some of the shots, like the wobbly Contellation and the quick zooming look cartoony and that doesn't fit the tone of TOS. These are capital ships, best portrayed as a bit lumbering when they're sub-warp. (see Star Trek II)
What I hate with the remastered versions is the launch of the shuttle craft. It's looks like a video game version while as the original had a majestic quality to it. And it felt special when the shuttle craft took off or landed. Now it looks like nothing. They really messed that up. Thanks for the video.
They also got the hangar floor wrong. It doesn't match the episodes where we see it open for people: "Journey to Babel" and "The Immunity Syndrome." "Tell Doctor McCoy he should have wished me luck."
Not super sure that I like the surface texture for the Doomsday Machine itself, and I'm not sure how the remastered shuttlebay scene managed to make it out into the wild.
The original is way better! Wish folks would just stop remastering films like this. Just stick to refreshing the transfer of media, not redo the effects and angles.
I have one of them 90-era generic scent car-smellies that has a model of the Enterprise glued atop a delta base, and its' nacelles are just as wonky as the Constellation's were in the original footage, just cos the soft plastic has sagged over the years mostly... :P
Adding in super-modern graphics to an old series where everything else isn't updated just makes it look disjointed and out of whack. Part of the joy of watching these old series is seeing the old graphics, the models, and how funny some of it looked.
Nope. You could remaster the Mona Lisa, too, but one of the most important aspects of any creation is the time period in which it was created and showing respect to whoever created it. It's a shame to mess with someone else's work. It's like stealing. Or maybe you like the new Star Wars cantina scene when Han shot second?
I really don’t like this “remastered” thing. Sure, modern VX might be “better” that the original but they are a product of their time. The new versions feel like a Frankenstein mix of original footage and “modern” VFX. It’s jarring to watch.
Siendo sincero, me gusta más la versión original. Lo encuentro adecuado a su época, el CGI me distrae del ambiente sesentero del programa y eso que soy alguien joven jaja y prefiero lo antiguo en su estado original.
I was fine with all of those shots until it got to 2:18 with the shot of the shuttle bay. The original shot is deliberately symmetrical and relatively bright while the remastered is from an angle and the shuttle bay is quite dark. I didn't see any particular need to remaster or change that particular shot.
I've been watching Star Trek since I was a child in 1968 and watched all the re runs over the years, and I have the blu ray set.....so my opinion as someone more than 60 years old who has watched the show from the beginning....well I quite like some of the enhanced effects, especially on this episode, the original effects have a certain amount of charm of course, but they are quite crude in so many respects, I think for modern younger audiences some of the original effects just don't hold up, so I personally enjoy watching the episodes with enhanced effects, it adds a little something here and there, just my opinion for what it is worth, I think the show still retains its charm because all other aspects of the shows design are original, the ships corridors and bridge and the very fake planet/studio sets with polystyrene rocks etc
Thanks for the comparison video, I prefer the new effects over the old stuff, by far. In that last part, which I don't believe many may have noticed, was the constellation viered slightly off course as it approached the machine and almost as quickly the Doomsday machine altered it's direction, to ensure, the ship would intercept with it. You would never see that in the old effects. My three favourite episodes are this one, Balance of Terror and The ultimate Computer, for various reasons, not just the conflict involved, as much as the reasons within the story and the psychology behind it them.
The original is better. That remaster is trying too hard, and as such looks cheaper. Why does the machine look like a big piece of astroid poop? Why does the ship wobble? What's up with the unneeded flair for the flybys?
It seemed unnecessary to totally redo these. They're really not bad. Maybe I could have tweaked a few little cheesy things here and there but overall they're really not bad at all.
From what I've read, the original FX for the Constellation were done by buying an off-the-shelf plastic model kit of the Enterprise and melting it in places with a cigarette lighter. It was very obviously not studio-quality, which there are so few close-up shots of the Constellation in the original version. In the few that there are (such as when it's diving into the maw of the doomsday machine) it's very obviously not a proper studio model.
Personally disagree. Maybe there are some things that could be improved in this episode but the remaster was trying to remain true to the original shots. I'd rather have passable CGI than plastic toys on strings.
@@EvanG529 As someone who's never watched the originals particularly so doesn't have any nostalgia for em. Yeah, I thought the CGI was generally an improvement, especially as far as the ships went. As someone else said, I think they coulda done a better job on the big death machine, and I disagree with the weird dying animation at the end.. but otherwise, all looked pretty good to me
Well think about this, The Orignal Effects done back in the 60s was retty good for that time. In fact it was state of the art compared to what the ther Scifis did in that time. Shows like Lost in Space and others are great examples. Star Trek Revolutionised the FX for the day. The Ships design and especially the Bridge and controls. Back in the 60s this was state of the Art.
I like everything about the re-master except the view inside the machine. That fizzling effect in the original version looks like some kind of nuclear reaction going on…which makes sense. The new version just looks very hot inside….it needs fizzle.
sorry....I'll take the original everytime. yes...its a little nostalgia from when I first watched them when all there was was TOS. plus THIS episode was the first one i have any memeries of. its what evetually turned me into the SighPhiGuy. and VERY Jaws like music 7-8 years before Jaws.
When you upgrade special effects from the past, you don't get to appreciate the effort they put into the special effects back then...It's disrespectful.
Nope, nope, nope. As someone who grew up with Star Trek reruns in the 70s, I much prefer the original effects/graphics. If you enjoy the updated effects, you'll get no hate from me but I'll stick with the original look. I wonder if someone will do something similar with TNG 20 years from now. I hope not.
I remember seeing the original wrecked Constellation model on the viewscreen for the very first time as a lad. I thought it looked amazing. Another starship!! But so damaged! What could do that to a starship??? Well, we all found out ;)
original much better than remaster. especislly a key oart, and thus regards the music. in the remaster they remove ir deemphasize three notes that sound after decker dies. it was powerful in iriginal but missing in remake. i admit i saw the series as a kid in 1960's. although colored lights in corridors do look good in remaster, i muss the original look. this episode was the one that broke the camel's back, as it were...
I get that they wanted to update the effects for a newer audience, cause I imagine that younger people would find some of the original footage pretty bad by today's standards. Personally, I prefer the original effects. I grew up with the Star Trek, and while some effects left much to be desired, it was 60's science fiction after all. I'll take it over the newer CGI anyday.
The designs, and especially the damage, of the remasted reversion look better, but the movement looks downright janky. The camera movement when the enterprise does a flyby at the end doesn't really make sense, and the ship inexplicably doesn't fly straight. It's like Newton's first law doesn't apply to the enterprise. It's shakes and swirls like it's in the middle of a turbulent ocean for seemingly no reason instead flying a straight line like you would expect in empty space.
I'll give you an idea. The timeline of the Alien universe fits in nicely with the Star Trek timeline. The Predators weren't seen in either Alien, Aliens, or Alien Resurrection, and the Engineers vanished as well. The Predators killed the Engineers off, and in return the Engineers turned the Doomsday Machine loose. Once it finished destroying the Predators it failed to self-destruct and eventually wandered into what became Federation space.
I heard another galaxy "collided" with ours, that is it passed through ours and gravity broke it up into a stream of stars forming a loop as they come back into our galaxy. A couple episodes have things reportedly "from another galaxy." I suppose it could be from such a galaxy that broke up, rather than taking hundreds of years to cross inter-galactic space.
I like the original Doomsday Machine ship better than the remastered one, but I prefer some of the shots of the remastered Enterprise and Constellation. Also the new phaser effects I like better. Maybe a more subtle use of remastering while preserving more of the original would be better, in my own opinion.
Before seeing this comparison, I thought the original damaged Constellation would look better than CG and the original Machine would be a disaster. It turns out it's the opposite.
I like the remastered version for the most part, but I prefer the original planet killer better. I like the blue colors and the deeper opening. Probably this is because it is how I remembered it back in the day. The damage to the Constellation in the remastered however is very impressive. The original was an AMT plastic model that was damaged using a lighter.
When I was a kid and I saw this episode for the first time I was scared shitless. To this day the original still scares me. The remastered version does not
I prefer the original. Somehow, the remastered effects look even *more* fake than the 60s. Even the planet in the opening credits looks better in the original.
To those who say that people dismissing the new CGI effects are just nostalgic, hear me. I never saw the original broadcast. I was born in 1983; my mother shared with me her liking of the original Trek and I grew up watching a bit of NG so you could easily say I'm 2nd generation trekkie. This is by no means an objective appreciation, but I'd say that mine is less biased. Honestly, I don't think the CGI really adds that much to this episode as some people say it does, even considering the damage/debris as storytelling devices. In fact, it detracts me from appreciating the ingenuity with which they tried to tell a sci-fi story this ambitious within the limitations of their technology and TV budget. I'd even go far as to say that this is vandalizing of a historical cultural artifact and I really lament that there is no choice for which version you can watch in the current streaming platforms.
Prefer the original effects - these were done by masters of their craft vs. a third or fouth rate FX house with high schoolers making the enterprise to barrel rolls.
I like the extra debris in the remaster shots, and the interior of the beastie looks more hellish in the remaster, but other than that, I think the original is good enough.
Great job with the side-by-side!
One thing about "hellish" - there's a lot of machinery in that thing. Seems like it would be rather harder to make it work if it was glowing red- to yellow-hot, and why isn't the shell glowing too?
The original was good in its day and passable even 30 years ago when I bought it on VHS. Although some shots then looked iffy, but now are laughable.
The interior shot from the original looks much better than the cgi fire effect imo.
The post credit seen as the Enterprise is seen being hit by small rocks bouncing off it hull was a nice touch .
But the original looks more alien tech @@scottwillis5434
the original looks more real, the remastered one looks like a video game
Remastered looks way better.
the original VFX scenes have a certain older lower budget charm to them that i do like, but i think the remastered ones definitely make a lot of scenes a lot more dramatic. the different shot types they use and the more dramatic lighting make them more dynamic and exciting to watch and remind me a lot of TNG's effects, but i do appreciate the original ones for what they could do at the time!!
Even if older vfx don't hold up, I think they should be left alone as a product of their time. Vfx are always evolving. The remaster looks archaic now, just like the original did when they did the remaster. "No art is ever completed, only abandoned," they say. I wish that were the case in this instance.
I’m surprised the producers let the vfx team stray so far from the original shots.
The damaged starship is improved in the remaster; I totally hate the changes to the doomsday machine (has it changed from several years ago?):
- original exterior has a structure that looks like an actual asteroid-like surface
- remaster looks triangulated CGI with a camouflage pattern on it. Camouflage in space?
- original has structure / mechanism in the opening and that evil electrical hiss
- remaster has a flame effect (whoopee!)
The original looks like there's actual machinery in there to move it, control it, generate and store power, generate cutting and tractor beams, and it's consistent with the Star Trek universe effects -- not just a flame effect.
A flame effect in space, where there's no air...
Actually the much greater damage they gave to the Constellation in the remastered version really makes it allot harder to believe that the ship could still have had any internal atmosphere. The relatively minimal amount of damage to the Constellation in the original actually makes allot more sense for the reason I just stated. It was enough damage for the ship to still have it's atmosphere but at the same time it was enough to believe the Constellation could be crippled the way it was. Especially because of the damage to the warp nacelles. The smaller amount of external damage in the original fx is also more in line with what Decker stated that they had attacked the Planet Killer from a great distance and not up close the way the Enterprise does in this episode. Which could have meant maybe that they attacked it at maximum phaser range. But oh well that's just my thoughts on that. The rest of the fx are pretty good. But couldn't they have put a neat little tractor beam effect between the Enterprise and the Connie as she was being towed. I am sure that would not have taken that much time or effort to have done that!! But a really great piece of television anyway!
They said the bridge was destroyed. I like that the impulse engines light up and propel the ship without the chug-chug-chug of someone tugging on the model. We also heard of emergency bulkhead doors closing like in _Star Trek VI_ but never saw them. The scene in that movie is out of place: shown after the Excelsior gets hit and not after a torpedo breaches part of the Enterprise. Though someone pointed out the ship design on a background monitor is the Enterprise-A
I wonder if they're going to re-do this episode in Strange New Worlds the same way they did Balance of Terror
The Re-Master one loks a lot like the one used in Star Trek Online.
Viewing the original, I had the impression the Planet Killer was much longer, with the taper providing forced perspective. The remaster doesn't make use of that, so it looks kind of stumpy.
I find the original Machine to be more terrifying when looking into the mouth.
Because it has depth. The CG version feels flat.
@@tobar1p I've been thinking the same sort of thing for years.
It looks like there's actual machinery in there to move it, control it, generate and store power, generate cutting and tractor beams, instead of just a flame effect.
A flame effect, in space, where there's no air...
Yes, the interior "fire" effects look real in the original but the CGI version looks like a cartoon of a camp fire. It's the biggest defect of the CGI version.
@@scottwillis5434 And no one on floating in weightlessness on the ship, if you want to get technical.
I remember the first time I watched TOS, I didn't know I was watching the remastered one, and was like "wow, that's pretty good effects for the 1960s" 😂
It's more like a bad cartoon rendering. The ship in the original was 'real' not a bad facsimile in the remastered one. Watch the original... then go back and watch the remastered one. I hope you will be of the opinion that the un-remastered one was epic for it's time and should never have been touched.
@@dennish300 Nah, I was around for the original version and they did the best they could with what they had, but the remastered version is a definite improvement. You gotta go with the times and take advantage of modern technology whenever you can.
@@dennish300 AMEN BROTHER!!
@@LG123ABC So should the ancient Egyptian pyramids be rebuilt using modern materials/methods? 🤔
@@dennish300 Well yeah, it is definitely cartoony and bad looking by our standards today. It's just I didn't realize I was looking the remastered version and was just momentarily impressed that *1966* could pull that off.
Doomsday machine has honestly some of the best acting in all of TOS from Commodore Decker. You can totally see it in him, broken man desperate to avenge his crew and his ship, and eventually saw giving his own life to scratch at the machine as the only fitting penance for their deaths.
The funny thing is the actor didn't like being in the episode and decided to over-act and be overly dramatic because he felt it was a silly kids thing. And that decision gave us one of the most powerful performances in the franchise.
I disagree. Not "some of the best." THE best!
He also did a good job in his role as President in the Escape from the Planet of the Apes. He seemed ok with the world becoming the planet of the apes in the future so long as it didn't happen during his administration.
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The music as the doomsday machine is coming up behind the Enterprise has got to be THE MOST incredibly dramatic music EVER!!!!!!!!! Everytime I hear it, it sends chills down my spine!!!!!!!!! All of the music from this episode is SPECTACULAR! This episode is without a doubt my favorite, and it always has been!!!!!!!
The choice of instruments is awesome. Must thank Marc Daniel's directions.
Plus, the music was specifically written for this episode, and then reused in later episodes from The Ultimate Computer to The Tholain Web.
Timeless...this music is incredible.
Yes!!! The music was iconic! Even when it was used in other episodes it made me think of the Doomsday Machine.
Well, it was adapted well into other episodes, but nothing tops "TDM"!!!!!!!! The moment when the doomsday machine comes up behind the Enterprise, and the moment when Decker took command (with music that almost sounded like a Mexican standoff) were AMAZING!!!!!!!! The other moments were when the Enterprise came up on the dead Constellation, and the music was like a funeral dirge, and then when the dead Constellation came back to life. WHEW!!!!!!!!!!! It sends chills up and down my spine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This show did in 50 mins what many 2hr full length pictures can't accomplish. Just awesome.
Or multiepisode .modern series
I don't know.
For the 1967 episode was pretty dam epic.
The writing. The acting. The music and special effects.
People poured their hearts and souls into bringing this Iconic show into our homes.
Writers gave a shíț back in those days.
Maybe not "better", but those 60's effects still hold up. They did the best with what they had.
honestly, those 60s effects could still run with the big dogs as of 2004 just before full-range CGI really took off
Is there a way to switch between the 2 awhile watching?
@@likeaboss1104 One way would be to have two computers feeding into one monitor with a KVM switch.
@@David-jt9nt Independence day had better graphics that 2004, in 1996.
@@NeocadeX i know but it wasn't until 2004 that every film low or high budget could use full-range CGI, until then only big budge block busters or what ever they are called where able to do that
I think the only shot that doesn't QUITE work in the updated effects is the disabling of the Planet Killer. Not that the effects are bad, but for some reason the thing has suddenly stopped dead in space as it was eating the Constellation instead of still being in motion when it occurs.
I think they should also have kept the phasers as orange, letting them be as variable as they were in their original form.
i mean, both have the planet killer stationary.
One thing I thing was a minus was changing the color from the blue of the original to the gray of the remastered. When the Constellation explodes in the original, it goes from that vibrant blue to the gray, while the remastered doesn’t have much of a change, just something that seemed to go better in the original for my 2 cents.
@@eliasrobinson3915 the new one dips when it dies, like somehow gravity is pulling it down
Let's face it: the original death of the Planet Killer is better.
I was pretty into it until the shuttle bay. It still looks pretty good for 2007, but I think matching some of the scenes more closely could have helped hide some jankyness. Those original FX shots were probably designed entirely around minimizing jank of a different kind.
I disliked that it looked like the shuttle was going to damn near crash into the doors that hadn't opened enough for it to leave. Like damn, maybe don't drift through them, jeez
The original shuttle bay shot caught me off guard, it looked gorgeous! I'm surprised they made such a drastic change from the original composition of the shot and everything.
@@FluffyDragon It was consistent with the story. I assumed that Commodore Decker took off quickly to prevent the Enterprise from stopping his launch.
Doomsday machine and the Ships in the remastered version are done Very well
@@joeharney135 not as good as original effects though the cgi actually looks more dated now as it's 2006 cgi !
Thats very considerate of you with the flashing light warning that effects some people 2:36 you are a great person
I am in the camp that original Doomsday machine is a lot better.
The score holds the stage here. Excellent to make the moment filled with suspense.
Equal to the Jaws score.
Agree, I love the score in this episode!
Can you imagine this episode without the music? To this day it is has its own gripping suspense and persona. Sure, it has aged ... but man, is it ever classic. There's another video out there that delves into how the various musical themes are attached to certain elements of the plot and screenplay. It really does this musical accompaniment activity as well or better than anything else I can think of off the top of my head. To this day...
IMHO: The "Jaws" score ripped of the score of this episode.
The original doomsday machine itself looks better I think. The cgi one looks… cheaper somehow. The Starfleet ships look better as cgi (except for the shots of the full size Enterprise, which looks great). Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
I just typed almost the same sentence lol!
Original doomsday machine has a sense of being unknowable , even the shimmering mouth opening which appears to be without depth compared to remastered CGI. 1701 does look good in CGI model tho.
OG doomsday tells the story better visually.
@@taiwansivispacemparabellum9546 don't agree original star trek model looks amazing way better than crappy 2006 cgi!
Don't agree about enterprise the model has and always did look amazing wayyyy better than cgi especially 2006 cgi! Looks like a 90s computer game!🙈
@@philfitnesspt6139 the original physical model is a thing of beauty no doubt 👍🏼
One of those rare moments where I actually prefer the original effect to the redone version. That tinfoil cone (or however they did it) lives on in my childhood mind as utterly terrifying. The CG update is okay but to me something's missing. GREAT episode, though. One of the best. And most of the other updates are a definite improvement.
It was an airport wind sock, coated in cement - IF I recall correctly :)
The remastered version doesn't feel old.
The OG version was skinnier with thinner walls that you could see the stars through sometimes nd it was irregularly shaped at the tail end. It looked like it was so ancient that even its indestructible hull was wearing through.
@@lorzon It was supposed to be ancient and the irregular shape was described in the book. The star effects were added later, hence looking see-through at times.
@@Thurgosh_OG Yes, being able to see the stars through the hull is a result of the production methods available at the time. That doesn't stop it from adding to the conception that the Machine is ancient beyond comprehension.
It's more about how the new effects call attention to itself in a distracting way which is the reason I do not like.
Y'know, the biggest problem I have is with the way the remasterd shuttle leaves to Enterprise. That was some pretty reckless piloting that could have smashed into the sides of the shuttlebay.
Maybe a byproduct of Decker's desperation?
It's not like Decker cared about a good takeoff during the moment.
They do that for almost all the shuttlecraft remastered scenes. I liked the original takeoff and landing, but someone didn't probably because it was the same two shots reused. Also they didn't get the hangar quite right as the circle and square don't match the floor in live-action.
Decker wanted to get out of range quickly so that the Enterprise couldn't stop him anymore.
@@sandal_thong8631 they don’t even bother to match the live action shuttle prop with digital. Piss poor cgi that looked awful and dated immediately in 2006.
Sulu turning around looking at the camera is one of my Dad's favorite recycled shots in the show~
A lot of people seem to like the originals, but seeing an AMT plastic model Enterprise kit that's been partially melted with a blowtorch just ruins the illusion for me. Generally speaking I like the updated VFX. Maybe in another 20-30 years they'll update them again.
The main reason I sometimes like the originals better is that the remakes can have outdated, plasticky looking CGI at times.
But that's not all of the time. The planets always look better as do most of the new ships.
They should remake the VFX with the original model that's in the Smithsonian!
I don't mind the new VFX, but the way it's implemented with dramatically different color and cinematography just feels mismatched. They should have kept to simpler shots and camera movement that fit the tone and style of the show.
The updated VFX made watching all of TOS much more enjoyable for me personally. I never really minded the bridge set, all the switches and stuff has a retro appeal, but the space shots looked fake and bugged me. I'm honestly not sure I could have made it through all the episodes with the original VFX. (And I grew up seeing reruns of them on TV, so it's not like I absolutely hated TOS or anything.)
In 20 years we'll have complete deep fake series continuations written and performed by AI.
I just marathoned TOS last month, and I personally really enjoyed the updated VFX. My only complaint is that some of the models look too smooth, but maybe that's just more about keeping in time with the look of the rest of the show. The updated planets in orbit sequences look 100% better.
That, and the CGI at the time they remastered it was still kind of iffy on texturing.
The CGI gets more hate than it should, but I really wish they had waited for the 50th to do it. It would look much better. I am glad they put both versions on the blu-ray releases
Well because the cgi is not great and actually looks more dated now than original model shots because models will always look real as.they are real! I have originals on dvd
na, fuck CGI
Nah, the way the CGI was done was a stylistic choice in order to more closely resemble the original. And it objectively looks better, take off your nostalgia glasses.
@@coloradoing9172 nah, it objectively doesn't look better. In fact in most of the shots, considerably worse.
It may have looked better if they waited fifty years or even sixty, but why wait that long? Computer technology has advanced greatly by the 2000s and this was already forty years after the original show. That's rather great timing to achieve enhance greatness by then. We don't need things looking super updated by sitting off on it for ten or twenty more years. Just updating after a couple decades when such tweaking can be done is fine by me especially for a low budget TV show like this one that doesn't warrant anything overly done in enhancements. I'm shocked they didn't do this in the late 1990s at the thirty-year mark when the Star Wars special editions came out and did rather well visually for the most part and those were big, budgeted films. Star Trek just needed minimum enhancements at best and the technology then was grand enough to pull that off and be accepted for what it's worth regardless if a touched up in mid-2000s, 2010s, or 2020s would have looked better if done then. Let's not get carried away now.
Not really sure about the aesthetic choices for the death machines itself, as well as how some shots go. The OG has a sort of menace that the new version somehow lacks. Something about the movement seems cheap and silly.
Seemed kinda weird that it did the 'keeling over death animation' thing too. Like.. you're in space, with no gravity. Why is it doing that. The original actually made more sense that it just kinda visibly 'died' but was just there
@@FluffyDragon What happened it stopped being powered but being in a vacuum it would still continue to move. It just wouldn't steer on a straight course. That's why it went a little weird and crooked after its engines had been blown
I'm always telling other fans how much this is my favourite episode, especially because of the Remastered Version. It really showcases how much of an improvement it's made, especially with the Constellation damage, the Doomsday Machine itself and the space battles. I love the way the Enterprise manoeuvres and fires. The whole thing feels more like it fits in with the more modern Treks.
That's the exact reason why they did the remastering: when they sent the DS9 gang to "The Trouble With Tribbles" they needed the exterior shots of the Enterprise, the Klingon battlecruiser and K-7 to be consistent with what had come before on TNG, DS9 and Voyager.
Boy there's a lot of people who are so emotionally invested they can't stand change, I think. Who wants people to laugh at bad special effects of an episode you love? Or have it be a future "Mystery Science 3000" episode? One thing I haven't seen mentioned is the rear-view shots with the na-celles framing them is really good!
It's my favorite episode as well and I am happy they did the remastering in a tasteful manner
I like my Star Trek like I like my KFC: Original, please.
I generally dislike the remasters but I total understand why people like them. This one out of all I think benefits least from them as the original effects hold up really well.
Not just that, the original looks more.. ghostly. Like a cosmic horror. You don't know from where or what... but beyond your understanding.
@@DehnusNorder definitely
@@Steven_Andreyechen The CGI already looks super dated. With none of the charm of the practical effects.
The hand drawn phaser effect just brings you out of the immersion, absolutely not holding up at all, the editing and camera works made the ship and the doomsday machine look like a 10 year-old filming his model set with paper cutouts.
@@Dumb-Comment Yeah i dont know what steven is on about, 60s in no way shape or from holds up, to anything except old scooby doo cartoons.
I just saw the remastered version of this episode for the first time on MeTV tonight. The doomsday machine was much more frightening with the original effects. And the remastered explosion at the end was a joke. I can understand cleaning up the original film to make it look better, but making major changes to the original special effects really ruins the experience.
The only effect I didn't want replaced was the opening credits, as a child, I was enamored by the Enterprise passing the planet from left to right, just the look of the vessel left me with a sense of appreciation that the remaster just didn't quite get.
I appreciate the remasters for trying to keep to the vision and the aesthetic of the original, but I feel like something is lost with them. Every time I see the remastered graphics, I am reminded that it is not the original.
I always admired how the remaster mostly remained true to the original shots but updated the visuals.
It made things more lively, but didn't change anything important. The models look like they did before, but sharper. The machine itself looks about the same ,but just executed better.
CBS/Paramount put some rocks in front of the Constellation shipwreck in the remastered version of The Doomsday Machine.
unfortunately it looks so fake, it's almost unbearable to watch. Especially having seen the original like 100 times
@@dennish300 Yup.
I really don't like the machine falling over after the explosion in the remaster vs. just staying still in the original. It's in space, not near any massive objects, so it wasn't fighting gravity. If the explosion was uneven that would have put it into a spin, not just moved the front down and then stopped.
The CGI in the remastered version here looks really bad compared to Enterprise, Voyager, and DS9 and those aired years before this.
First watched the original in the 60's while in 4th grade, after reading the then, Foundation Trilogy. The show blew my mind, as the novels open it up. The remastered content brought it all back. Thanks so much!
I don't know why they changed the design of the Doomsday Machine, the original looked superior.
Woof, those wonky nacelles in the original really stand out.
I don't care so much about CGI or not, but on the balance I think the much more dynamic external shots are worth it.
I prefer the junky, low-budget effects of the original - but I have a copy of both
I guess it's not the consensus here, but I greatly prefer the original effects. They say that the original series didn't have much of a budget, but for some reason it had amazing production design, even though according to IMDb it only had a production designer for the first few episodes, a guy named Walter Jeffries (namesake of the "Jeffries tubes"), he's also credited on almost every other episode as an art director so maybe that's the same thing? There's also another frequent art director named Rolland Brooks. Whoever was in charge of that, they did such a good job of constructing that instantly iconic look and feel that it stands out like a sore thumb when some random person comes in and tries to """improve""" it. TNG also had very good production design, and people try to update its effects at times, however these changes are mostly really subtle, it would have been nice if that was the case for TOS also (I see a very wonky effect at 2:00), but I think some people just have a weird bias against model shots and think that literally any CGI effect is better.
Totally agree with you. Aside from the wonky nacelles, the blue phasers on the cgi version totally ruin it for me as well.
For sure, I really like the general look of the planet killer and the mouth especially has a more alien look to it than the comparatively lame glow on the remaster
For the 60s on television it's fantastic. It's surprising to me this didn't take off in it's original run.
The effects are generally more dynamic and realistic in the remastered versions, but the old school effects have their own charm and sometimes they actually look better. In this case I think the "flame" effects inside the Planet Killer are more effective in the original. They're not as bright in the remaster, so they look less eerie and dangerous. I wish they'd gone for more of a middle ground with the remasters, so we'd see more improved versions of the original shots instead of all new shots. The shuttle leaving the bay looks "better" in the remaster, for example, but it has a very different feel. I like the shots where it feels like the CGI artists are doing the stuff the show's creators would have done, if they had the tech. I enjoy the remasters and it gives you a fun reason to re-watch the old episodes to see what's changed.
Yeah I agree the core of the machine looks much more intimidating with the original effects. I do like the blue Phazors though.
The shuttle bay is smaller in the remaster
My thoughts exactly. If they had kept to the original look and just enhanced it to a bit more of a "realistic" effect instead of redoing it entirely, I'd likely lean towards the remaster in this case, which more often than not I do.
They certainly did a better job than Lucasfilm that’s for sure with the remastered effects lol
Definitely more of a fan of the 1960s effects. They could have done a better job in 2006/2007 (there's some fan effect projects from that era that blow CBS's efforts out of the water), but CGI technology still wasn't quite where it needed to be then to really do this justice. It looks too much like CGI and they could have done a better job matching the original aesthetic while still having more dynamic effects. The lighting is very different and some of the shots, like the wobbly Contellation and the quick zooming look cartoony and that doesn't fit the tone of TOS. These are capital ships, best portrayed as a bit lumbering when they're sub-warp. (see Star Trek II)
Totally agree i don't like cgi maybe today's cgi would look better but 2006 cgi actually looks more dated than original model effects!
What I hate with the remastered versions is the launch of the shuttle craft. It's looks like a video game version while as the original had a majestic quality to it. And it felt special when the shuttle craft took off or landed. Now it looks like nothing. They really messed that up. Thanks for the video.
They also got the hangar floor wrong. It doesn't match the episodes where we see it open for people: "Journey to Babel" and "The Immunity Syndrome."
"Tell Doctor McCoy he should have wished me luck."
They messed everything up...
Not super sure that I like the surface texture for the Doomsday Machine itself, and I'm not sure how the remastered shuttlebay scene managed to make it out into the wild.
Agree with the latter. Plus they got the bay square and circle wrong.
The original is way better! Wish folks would just stop remastering films like this. Just stick to refreshing the transfer of media, not redo the effects and angles.
I have one of them 90-era generic scent car-smellies that has a model of the Enterprise glued atop a delta base, and its' nacelles are just as wonky as the Constellation's were in the original footage, just cos the soft plastic has sagged over the years mostly... :P
When I was a kid, I used to raid the kitchen for the biggest, knobbliest carrot I could find and zoom it around eating "planets" (brussel sprouts)
Adding in super-modern graphics to an old series where everything else isn't updated just makes it look disjointed and out of whack. Part of the joy of watching these old series is seeing the old graphics, the models, and how funny some of it looked.
I'm glad when they did TNG they kept all of the model shots and used new CGI very sparingly.
Nope. You could remaster the Mona Lisa, too, but one of the most important aspects of any creation is the time period in which it was created and showing respect to whoever created it. It's a shame to mess with someone else's work. It's like stealing. Or maybe you like the new Star Wars cantina scene when Han shot second?
I really don’t like this “remastered” thing. Sure, modern VX might be “better” that the original but they are a product of their time. The new versions feel like a Frankenstein mix of original footage and “modern” VFX. It’s jarring to watch.
The updated VFX looks cheap to me, better than the original but still low quality.
Well its 15 years old at this point, and it was done on a minimal budget.
Siendo sincero, me gusta más la versión original. Lo encuentro adecuado a su época, el CGI me distrae del ambiente sesentero del programa y eso que soy alguien joven jaja y prefiero lo antiguo en su estado original.
I was fine with all of those shots until it got to 2:18 with the shot of the shuttle bay. The original shot is deliberately symmetrical and relatively bright while the remastered is from an angle and the shuttle bay is quite dark. I didn't see any particular need to remaster or change that particular shot.
Love that little 'wobble' they gave Deckar's busted ship
I've been watching Star Trek since I was a child in 1968 and watched all the re runs over the years, and I have the blu ray set.....so my opinion as someone more than 60 years old who has watched the show from the beginning....well I quite like some of the enhanced effects, especially on this episode, the original effects have a certain amount of charm of course, but they are quite crude in so many respects, I think for modern younger audiences some of the original effects just don't hold up, so I personally enjoy watching the episodes with enhanced effects, it adds a little something here and there, just my opinion for what it is worth, I think the show still retains its charm because all other aspects of the shows design are original, the ships corridors and bridge and the very fake planet/studio sets with polystyrene rocks etc
The damaged Constellation looks a lot better in the remake, but the original Doomsday Machine is scarier because it looks more "alien".
2007's cgi will be disdained in a few years. What 26 year old approved them?
These remastered effects look so cheap and amateur, I kind of wish they hadn't bothered.
Thanks for the comparison video, I prefer the new effects over the old stuff, by far. In that last part, which I don't believe many may have noticed, was the constellation viered slightly off course as it approached the machine and almost as quickly the Doomsday machine altered it's direction, to ensure, the ship would intercept with it.
You would never see that in the old effects. My three favourite episodes are this one, Balance of Terror and The ultimate Computer, for various reasons, not just the conflict involved, as much as the reasons within the story and the psychology behind it them.
The original is better. That remaster is trying too hard, and as such looks cheaper. Why does the machine look like a big piece of astroid poop? Why does the ship wobble? What's up with the unneeded flair for the flybys?
These redone effects make it look like Enterprise era effects
Well they were done about the same time. Personally they look better than those in Enterprise to me.
It seemed unnecessary to totally redo these. They're really not bad. Maybe I could have tweaked a few little cheesy things here and there but overall they're really not bad at all.
the music is everything for this series, this episode in particular. and Windom absolutely owned this episode.
From what I've read, the original FX for the Constellation were done by buying an off-the-shelf plastic model kit of the Enterprise and melting it in places with a cigarette lighter. It was very obviously not studio-quality, which there are so few close-up shots of the Constellation in the original version. In the few that there are (such as when it's diving into the maw of the doomsday machine) it's very obviously not a proper studio model.
Unfortunately the original is better here in most shots. (The exception being the phaser shots). The remaster looks like video game graphics.
Personally disagree. Maybe there are some things that could be improved in this episode but the remaster was trying to remain true to the original shots. I'd rather have passable CGI than plastic toys on strings.
@@EvanG529 The remasters are just CGI versions of plastic toys on strings. I don't see how that's an improvement.
@@Reggie1408 Well if that's how you see it then I'm sorry for you
@@EvanG529 As someone who's never watched the originals particularly so doesn't have any nostalgia for em. Yeah, I thought the CGI was generally an improvement, especially as far as the ships went. As someone else said, I think they coulda done a better job on the big death machine, and I disagree with the weird dying animation at the end.. but otherwise, all looked pretty good to me
Well think about this, The Orignal Effects done back in the 60s was retty good for that time. In fact it was state of the art compared to what the ther Scifis did in that time. Shows like Lost in Space and others are great examples. Star Trek Revolutionised the FX for the day. The Ships design and especially the Bridge and controls. Back in the 60s this was state of the Art.
Do you think the scene from Independence Day where Russel flew his jet into the alien's ship as it was about to fire was inspired from that scene?
I like everything about the re-master except the view inside the machine. That fizzling effect in the original version looks like some kind of nuclear reaction going on…which makes sense. The new version just looks very hot inside….it needs fizzle.
sorry....I'll take the original everytime.
yes...its a little nostalgia from when I first watched them when all there was was TOS.
plus THIS episode was the first one i have any memeries of.
its what evetually turned me into the SighPhiGuy.
and VERY Jaws like music 7-8 years before Jaws.
When you upgrade special effects from the past, you don't get to appreciate the effort they put into the special effects back then...It's disrespectful.
Nope, nope, nope. As someone who grew up with Star Trek reruns in the 70s, I much prefer the original effects/graphics. If you enjoy the updated effects, you'll get no hate from me but I'll stick with the original look. I wonder if someone will do something similar with TNG 20 years from now. I hope not.
I remember seeing the original wrecked Constellation model on the viewscreen for the very first time as a lad. I thought it looked amazing. Another starship!! But so damaged! What could do that to a starship??? Well, we all found out ;)
Similar feeling.
original much better than remaster. especislly a key oart, and thus regards the music. in the remaster they remove ir deemphasize three notes that sound after decker dies. it was powerful in iriginal but missing in remake. i admit i saw the series as a kid in 1960's. although colored lights in corridors do look good in remaster, i muss the original look. this episode was the one that broke the camel's back, as it were...
Kinda surprised, the original Doomsday model and effects are pretty decent for a 1960's TV show.
Everything else really needed the update, though.
I'm not sure I like these remasters that much. OK but not obviously a big improvement.
I get that they wanted to update the effects for a newer audience, cause I imagine that younger people would find some of the original footage pretty bad by today's standards. Personally, I prefer the original effects. I grew up with the Star Trek, and while some effects left much to be desired, it was 60's science fiction after all. I'll take it over the newer CGI anyday.
The designs, and especially the damage, of the remasted reversion look better, but the movement looks downright janky.
The camera movement when the enterprise does a flyby at the end doesn't really make sense, and the ship inexplicably doesn't fly straight. It's like Newton's first law doesn't apply to the enterprise. It's shakes and swirls like it's in the middle of a turbulent ocean for seemingly no reason instead flying a straight line like you would expect in empty space.
Nope. The original is better. Dont mess with the Killer Parsnip! (Scared the bejebus outta me as a kid, btw.)
Definitely one of the best episodes- wish there was more known about the planet killer.
I'll give you an idea. The timeline of the Alien universe fits in nicely with the Star Trek timeline.
The Predators weren't seen in either Alien, Aliens, or Alien Resurrection, and the Engineers vanished as well. The Predators killed the Engineers off, and in return the Engineers turned the Doomsday Machine loose. Once it finished destroying the Predators it failed to self-destruct and eventually wandered into what became Federation space.
I heard another galaxy "collided" with ours, that is it passed through ours and gravity broke it up into a stream of stars forming a loop as they come back into our galaxy. A couple episodes have things reportedly "from another galaxy." I suppose it could be from such a galaxy that broke up, rather than taking hundreds of years to cross inter-galactic space.
one of the giant novels had it as a doomsday weapon from one of the ancient star trek races to kill the borg worlds.
If you are interested in the "Planet Killer" read Peter David's book "Vendetta". I won't spoil it, but Planet Killer and the Borg are both in it.
The original was better.
Bless the Maker and His water.
Bless the coming and going of... what's that? Oh sorry, wrong sci-fi worm.
Both the _Original_ and the "Remastered" sides are remastered for blu-ray; the "Remastered" side is _Enhanced,_ not "Remastered."
I like the original Doomsday Machine ship better than the remastered one, but I prefer some of the shots of the remastered Enterprise and Constellation. Also the new phaser effects I like better. Maybe a more subtle use of remastering while preserving more of the original would be better, in my own opinion.
I preferi original, remastered is GARBAGE
Kind of like taking a piece of music by Johann Sebastian Bach and having Justin Bieber do an "updated" version of it.
Before seeing this comparison, I thought the original damaged Constellation would look better than CG and the original Machine would be a disaster. It turns out it's the opposite.
I like the remastered version for the most part, but I prefer the original planet killer better. I like the blue colors and the deeper opening. Probably this is because it is how I remembered it back in the day. The damage to the Constellation in the remastered however is very impressive. The original was an AMT plastic model that was damaged using a lighter.
When I was a kid and I saw this episode for the first time I was scared shitless. To this day the original still scares me. The remastered version does not
I prefer the original. Somehow, the remastered effects look even *more* fake than the 60s. Even the planet in the opening credits looks better in the original.
The color on the CGI version was wrong of the Doomsday machine. it's more spectacular in the original
Someday they will remaster the remaster. 🖖
The phaser blasts still looked like hell. Excusable for the late 60s. Not so for 21st century.
The cartoons have dated far more than the original effects. I think the original doomsday machine loos way better than the remake.
100% hate the remastered version of the series. Totally unnecessary and a desecration of the original.
To those who say that people dismissing the new CGI effects are just nostalgic, hear me. I never saw the original broadcast. I was born in 1983; my mother shared with me her liking of the original Trek and I grew up watching a bit of NG so you could easily say I'm 2nd generation trekkie. This is by no means an objective appreciation, but I'd say that mine is less biased.
Honestly, I don't think the CGI really adds that much to this episode as some people say it does, even considering the damage/debris as storytelling devices. In fact, it detracts me from appreciating the ingenuity with which they tried to tell a sci-fi story this ambitious within the limitations of their technology and TV budget. I'd even go far as to say that this is vandalizing of a historical cultural artifact and I really lament that there is no choice for which version you can watch in the current streaming platforms.
Prefer the original effects - these were done by masters of their craft vs. a third or fouth rate FX house with high schoolers making the enterprise to barrel rolls.
I actually like the look of the original Doomsday Machine better than the remastered one.
Original was better
The "remastered" made all the ships look like cartoon characters