The thing that bothers me with these videos is also the fact that we rarely see them wearing the same items for different outfits. When I buy a piece of clothing, I try to envision different outfits using the clothes I already own, I am not spending hundreds for a single outfit. Creators should promote that in my opinion.
@@Maxatrillion08 True that, I am always wondering how people can afford so many clothes, but with all the return policies being free and extended, it makes sense
This concept reminds me of the idea of being “chronically online” and how spending so much time in front of a screen gives us a false sense of reality in all other avenues other than fashion as well
@@ThisIsAntwon !!!!!!!! When people say “get a job” or “touch some grass” online, they’re not joking. It actually helps put things into perspective, as obvious as it seems lol.
I am also "chronically online" in a different sense - in IRC, since I despise social media (aside from sometimes youtube in form of podcasts). But IRC is only text, so in addition to what you mentioned, I also feel like I have gone blind.
yea, big part of that influence is the main audience of these platform aka young people or straight up kids (or underdeveloped adults), who have zero connection to reality or understanding what is real worth
As someone who does cosplay, this is so fascinating to me. People dressing up in outfits they wouldn't feel comfy walking around outside in feels kind of like they are cosplaying a version of themselves at home, if that makes sense
good observation. Ive heard another youtuber call it your ‘fantasy self’ edit: the video was about minimalism, she was saying how we should stop stuffing our wardrobe with stuff for our 'fantasy self' that will never get worn I for one am into the character creation that is who people could imagine themselves to be in the right environment without judgement from peers
And it’s seriously addictive. I’m in two separate group chats with family members. They never text people back but send tik toks multiple times throughout the day. It’s crazy.
What really helped me was deleting tik tok cold turkey. My perception of fashion and reality in general was being warped and I’ve actually found myself not trying too hard and stressing less whenever I put an outfit together
Was using pretty heavily for a while and justifying it as using the messenger features; deleted the apps and logged myself out of devices that I could use mindlessly. Now only post with intention and stay off FYP, explore and recommended videos.
I think this is why I like Pinterest when it comes to looking at fashion inspiration for myself. I’m not being distracted/persuaded by music or voiceover. I only use tic tok when I absolutely can’t find info or a review on an item I want.
same! i still follow some creators on youtube (obviously) but tbh youtube is a better space. and now i'm like "i can wear what makes me happy, but i definitely don't need to go god mode just to buy hand soap at target" very freeing, good for us
I have the inverse relationship with this “simulacrum” style of dressing, I used to work at a gas station (petrol station for the mates and lads such as Antwon) while working I saw all walks of life and would often find inspiration through the various construction workers, farmers, and even the homeless. People in the real world who’s garments were indeed worn outside of the digital realm with true intention in mind, and started incorporating it into my outfits. Wether it was a simple carabiner on the waist filled with keys and accessories, or going as far as wearing two pairs of jeans at the same time with basketball shorts underneath (sounds insane because the person I first saw it on was indeed expressing abit of insanity). I would compare it to appreciating the inner workings of Disney land, rather than the facade you see from the outside.
I sometimes catch myself doing this with myself. I wear a lot of scumfuck lookin ass workwear, genuinely just random clothes i got from my dad, bought on craigslist, traded for random stuff, and even some clothing i found at the drinking shed. So, one day, i was wearing a patched up, "well-worn" mackinaw jacket and cargo pants, with steelies ofc, and i thought to myself "Damn this shit goes stupid hard" and so got me some second hand loggers shirts, for regular wear.
I really resonate with your experience… I’ve found the more interesting combinations of things usually come from interesting people . I am constantly inspired by people of all walks of life wear I live . When I lived in Chinatown in San Francisco I was so inspired by the old ladies and the way they put their pieces together
@KC gotta love it! The bathrobe look is indeed wild and sounds a lot like a customer I had, she worked for a septic service business her husband owned. Always wore a Led Zeppelin t-shirt, dirty flannel and a cut off denim shirt overtop, often had on jeans over pajamas with knee high rubber boots. Nice to see I’m not the only one taking inspiration from the real world. Thanks for sharing
A lot of my workwear inspired items comes from the fact that my dad was a construction worker for majority of his life. Carhartt, Dickies, and all the hardware companies that made clothes filled his closet. Now I’m also seeing that his western wear collection is influencing me.
i had a massive (positive) reality check a few days ago. Someone complemented my style and i was actually surprised, since (due to social media) i thought i dressed quite boring and "basic", trendy but nothing special. The way i dress hasn’t changed much for the last 3 years, i personally felt that i was missing out on a lot of the newest fashion trends and that i was way behind on the fashion cycle. In reality, the general style of the "early 20s" were currently in has been quite consistent. I do feel very pretty and comfortable in my current wardrobe and (as someone who is at least, to the best of my financial ability, trying to be fashion forward) it made me happy to hear that my style is still considered fashionable :).
as somebody really interested in both fashion and postmodernism, this is an intersectional video i would have never thought i'd see. i always had a weird irk about tiktok fashion content feeling dystopian- you really explained it
i've since deleted tiktok, but i totally fell into this trap of thinking tiktok fashion = reality, especially over lockdowns. i came out of lockdown afraid to go to the mall, because i'd subconsciously decided i couldn't "compete" with tiktok outfits just trying to go pick up my skincare. i finally went to the mall and... not a single fucking soul was dressed like they had a tiktok closet. everyone was in leggings and hoodies, and not even the ones tiktok deemed to be cool that week. people were just. normal. it blew my fucking mind. it sounds really stupid and obvious, but ESPECIALLY in an era when people were stuck inside with nothing to do, that tiktok mentality really started worming it's way into daily lives and thought processes. it's insane because you're right, it's not even reality. but over the course of those couple years i'd 100% convinced myself someone at the mall would bully me and comment on my mid mall outfit. i'm not even a stupid person, man. it's just the way it is rn.
Reminds me of how folks go to NYC thinking everyone's going to be dressed like it's fashion week 24/7 when in reality most people dress like they have lives.
It’s like i constantly think I’m under dressed and look like shit and then realize that having a full face, curated outfit and freshly flat ironed hair is not appropriate wear for literally just going to the grocery store.
Lol as someone who makes daily grwm tiktoks to go sit in a coffee shop, I'd like to say I do actually immediately go. I've even run into some followers a few times and they said "Oh I just watched you put this outfit on this morning". That being said, if tiktok was my main job - I would probably have a lot of content batched.
I typically upload my outfits days after wearing them when I get around to editing because I did in fact leave the house immediately and go about my business. But agreed, I understand those who choose to make everything in batches when they feel in the mood.
Nice. Personally, I have embraced the idea of "living the movie". I have loved cyberpunk from as early as I can remember. I viewed my dress sense as an expression of that. I discovered techwear in the last 10 years and added it to the basic black or olive cargo pants, a black shirt with a music/band/pop culture reference and boots or styled sneaker/trainers. The jackets were either leather biker, trench coat or military. I remember having an olive German surplus field jacket with hood that was fantastic. I am 51 and still getting around in more or less the same but a little more updated!
They’re standing on our shoulders, bless them. It’s how it’s meant to be. When I hear older ppl complaining about “the state of the youth today” (you and I are old enough to have lived through a few cycles of this bs), I remind them that what they whinge about today exists only because we did what we did in our time of influence. Lol, can’t separate yourself from the generations, that’s a media hoax. We’re all in this together.
In my mid 20s my friend sat me down and said “you don’t have drip” and wanted me to get into street wear. I tried getting into street wear but I never felt comfortable with it. I went back to my old style but actually made an effort to look great and people actually tell me they like my style. I love sling bags tho so that’s the only thing from tech wear that I still use to this day
This is a great video. You're expressing something that has been bugging me for a while. Aesthetics evolved from subcultures, which emerged in real life. Now in the digital cultural conversations, meaningless "cultureless" "aesthetics" can be created from scratch, from the comfort of a laptop and a Pinterest board, maybe they gain culture AFTER the fact, like a subculture in reverse, based on who happens to be attracted to the fabricated aesthetic. With no reference to why it existed in the real world, but perhaps solely existing in a fandom world, such as how dark academia refers to books and podcasts, which reference a culture of an idealized or dramatized past in a memory of college campuses or boarding schools. Even something like "glirchcore" could be vaguely related to the music genres of glitchhop, dubstep, and edm music, mixed with fandom characters of a glitchy, reality based nature, such as Michael/The Spiral from The Magnus archives or Gabriel from the Mandela Catalogue, or the creepy movies such as The Ring/Ringu, Skinamarink, and the genre of analog TV horror. Or even digital horror like Paranormal Activity and Unfriended.
I don't understand why you are so convinced these outfits doesn't exist irl. Like, with absurdist makeup looks, the people usually say that "yes, this is removed after application 99% of the time because it's an artwork, not actually for wearing", but a lot of absurdist fashion is perfectly wearable outside. I lived in a capital for almost my entire life, and we've been wearing these outfits since I was 13 in various renditions. I think some of tiktok people does indeed just make a piece of contemporary art fashion video, but I think you're underestimating how many people who actually wear this. Even if they don't wear it, they inspire. It exists. It's not just online.
i agree! maybe because i'm also from the capital, but throughout my life i've seen so many people in "crazy" or just very "different" outfits irl, mostly on public transport, just living their lives and doing ordinary human things. tbh i've always envied these people and wanted to look like them and be as creative with how i dress. but i'm always cold and i've got no sense of style so idk if i can 🤷♀️
@@pigeondance frieeenn you can do it. Maybe start with some fun shoes or a wacky big warm jacket. It's definitely worth it imo. I don't do it for others, I do it because it makes me immensely happy, its so fun to have something colorful and different and when I look down or in the mirror it feels like a fun video game when you wear crazy clothes.
Maybe I'm in the minority but this channel and Frugal Aesthetic is the only fashion related content I consume, digital or irl. I'm a passive enjoyer/observer of fashion and have never installed TikTok and certainly don't subscribe to any fashion content on Instagram. I do see the influences the content online has on the real world of fashion, even from my very small window look into the fashion world. This is certainly a interesting discussion and would love to see more content like this in the future :)
I think it’s because they have takes on fashion and they make you think about what fashion means to you or as an idea. It’s way more engaging than the thousands of other social media fashion “gurus” telling you to buy things or pushing products and their version of “THIS is how you’re suppose to dress!”
They have a huge overlapping viewerbase and youtube reccomends them together, probably because of the way they're edited compared to other fashion content
when it comes to my personal style, it's important to me how clothes feel and how they make me feel--especially as an autistic person with a sensitivity disorder. I love fun and wacky outfits, and I adore high fashion, but I always am conscious of what I can attain/tolerate in reality. I'm always trying to balance creativity, practicality, and comfort. recently, I've been working on sewing and crocheting my own clothes so that they are tailored exactly to my needs. thinking about clothes this way has really grounded me in reality. I definitely still am inspired by internet fashion content and I love looking at it, but I'm working on being content with just looking--rather than coveting or copying.
Simulacronym …. On a serious note, you’ve hit some really good points in this video. Speaking anecdotally; I used to be into warcore and then realised that looking like I’m going to war as a casual outfit to go out and buy milk and bread doesn’t really work in a setting other than online. I got into actual techwear and realised it wasn’t just a trend that looked cool, but has so much function with regards to my daily lifestyle and commutes. I have carrying capacity and quick access with my quick release sling bag, magnet clasp cargo pockets, water repellant jacket with a sling and so much more. Fashion without a purpose no longer fascinates me and it’s ultimately what got me away from hype east culture and warcore.
I appreciate the thoughtfulness of your channel. You and frugal aesthetic are my favourite fashion channels that are self-aware and not just promoting rampant consumerism.
“Giving a false impression of how they dress offline” that was actually super interesting to me to hear- I actually *do* wear super alt fashion irl (though not any of the styles you showed), as my daily fashion- so I hadn’t thought that people on tiktok only wear these clothes on camera haha On the other hand though I don’t really post to tiktok or watch it so 🤷♀️ if you’re a content creator I guess it’s different. There’s a couple caveats though- I work from home so I don’t need to worry about office wear, and I also don’t fully dress up for like, a quick run to Walgreens generally because I’m not always up to dealing with people’s reactions. I don’t want to get interrogated about what I’m wearing when I’m just trying to buy toilet paper. And I wear loungewear at home too because who doesn’t want to be comfortable? Although it’s probably different from the loungewear most people wear. But yeah, 95% of the time when I’m leaving the house and on weekends I’m fully dressed up in alt fashion. It’s really interesting to think though that some people have an ‘online only’ wardrobe. But yeah I don’t dress the way I do to create content so that’s a big difference from your examples.
you're very cool for that!! i love it when people get creative with their fashion on a daily basis, having someone like that around is like always hanging out near a decorated and brightly-lit Christmas tree, or a beautiful painting. if i saw you irl i would probably remember you and your outfit as "that cool unusual person on the subway" for like several months after. i wish i could be like that too!
I’m in exactly the same boat lol, I also stay inside all week in pyjamas then when I go out at weekends I go big, am also alt and hardly use tiktok. Like when I’m dressed up like that I feel the most like myself and the most confident, I guess it’s just not for everybody when he calls big outfits ‘not wearable’…
This is why Daniel Simmons is my favorite fashion influencer. He wears outfits one can actually bring out the house, doesn't push microtrends, re-uses items all the time (it's pretty much a meme at this point), and doesn't push products or lifestyles on his viewers. Nice video man, I really enjoyed it!
Bro owns some very expensive pieces though honestly. I don't think I would refer to him as practical. The way I improved my sense was by studying color theory, applying it and eventually, mastering it.
Thank you for this video, I am gen Z and I needed this, I did not realise I needed to shake off the feeling that I have to dress like a postapocalyptic gothic fairy mermaid for work to not be boring.
Tiny Jewish Girl is a great content creator on tiktok who genuinely wears the outfits she makes and resides clothing all the time. She also shows photos of her from high school and on discovering her personal styles (which kind of shows us wear she comes from). Also, she shows loungewear and other things as well and talks through the thought process of her outfits and why she chooses a certain item over something else. I appreciate it because it’s just interesting to see what someone thinks about when putting an outfit together. She does live in NYC though so it’s easier to see people dress like her there.
Boom! I am big fan of Baudrillard and think you are spot on with your application of his theory to fashion focussed social media. Hyperreality can be widened out to all social media to explore the impact on political discourse; but that is an absolute minefield!! Great video!
Being born in the 90's and growing up in the 2000's and 2010's put me right in the middle of the development of tech and social media. I got to live life without it, whilst also seeing it "be born", grow and change the world. Because I saw the creation and evolution of apps like Instagram, I knew exactly how tiktok would affect me, so I never downloaded the app, and would discourage others from doing it too. If you look at the evolution of "the makeup community", I'd say it went through the exact same thing that online fashion is doing right now. It reached a peak of oversaturation, with makeup hauls and extreme looks everywhere (think instagram brows and harsh cut creases), which eventually resulted in people cutting down on their makeup spending and reverting back to a cleaner and more natural aesthetic (like the clean girl thing on tiktok). I can only assume that in the near future people will start to focus even more on a combination of personal style, comfort and sustainability, where they buy fewer intentional pieces that they reuse often, in favour of constantly consuming more. I've personally made a conscious choice a few years ago to cut down on shopping in an attempt to be less wasteful, save some money and actually curate a wardrobe of items that mostly go together and specific range of colours, so I can just slap on anything without it looking bad (I'm lazy and suffer from time blindness). Yes, when I see these styling videos I often think "OMG! Maybe I should go for that style, it's so cute.", but sometimes you have to stop yourself and think "Would I ever even wear that?", and oftentimes the answer might be *no!* Realise that these fashion shorts are just for entertainment, and that most people don't dress like that daily. _Not even the people posting the videos._
I appreciate this video, I didn’t realize I was caught up in this fashion whirlwind. It always bothered me when I was on TikTok that I couldn’t easily simulate what I saw. Money or whatever else was stopping me
This is one of those rare instances where I’m incredibly happy to be a “grandma” and not know anything about this incredible waste of time that is watching other people pick out their outfits lol
Tiktok fashion helped me develop my style and actually get into fashion, but after a while it just turned into a shopping problem. It’s a good place to get a sense of what you might like, but I feel much more confident and comfortable in the clothes I wear since I deleted Tiktok.
Imo as someone who hikes, climbs,… I hate to see how much outdoor brands have risen in price just because some dudes buy a goretex jacket to wear it in the shower or urban soho only to go inside when it rains.
Video summary. Online fashion has become a meme: an element of a culture or system of behavior passed from one individual to another by imitation or other nongenetic means. So while the original definition exists, the exposure of these things causes its perception to change
This video struck me in a place where I needed it to and spoke to an inner part of me that needed working on, thank you for this content you worked hard to produce.💯
such a big oxymoron. the whole idea of fashion is to show off your own style, to had your own confidence to an everyday routine, but buying and putting together outfits solely for social media throws the entire essence of fashion out the window. like, if you’re not going to wear something in public, but showcase it online, then you’re falling ever closer to your life being a facade.
I appreciate the fact that you sound like you actually read that book. Unlike soooo many commenters who think the book is about us literally living in a simulation. Like the Matrix.
I also remember the increase of interest in vintage lingerie among the mainstream, so prices went up and a lot of influencers posted themselves wearing them indoors on IG/TT, and it got so normalised that people started wearing them out. It's shocking to someone who is not chronically online or rarely follows trends to see people wearing what is supposed to be underwear as regular clothing. Shein/fashion nova style clothing are also great examples of media prop clothing, they barely hold or cover anything and the quality is so obviously poorly done, they clearly would not stand more than 2-3 wears before they break. Just enough for a tiktok dance, perhaps. But oh well "they're just $2"
Everyone talks about tik tok like it’s not even an option to not use it. Everything in this video is nullified by just not watching short form video. You miss nothing, you lose nothing, if the general consensus is anything to go by, you stand to gain.
I appreciate that this is almost like an open discussion and recognition of things regarding hyper reality, and not a massively negative doom post. It's very well rounded and informative, thanks Antwon.
This is pretty much why I observe trends but do not follow them. Roughly 80% of my wardrobe is made up of classically-inspired menswear articles made out of as many natural materials as possible... And the remaining 20% is because I haven't cleared out the closet yet. My attention span and wallet cannot be bothered to keep up with the "current thing" of the week. Better to just go timeless and let the clothes and attitude speak for themselves.
This is a fascinating topic with great editing and humor. I personally have no interest in fashion, but your video was recommended to me and kept me engaged, even when I missed your specific references to fashion terms and trends. I know I also feel like I'm trapped in the Matrix. Our modern life experiences are mired in layers upon layers of simulacra because we spend so much of our lives online that we try to make the world outside fit the internet's mold. We use new internet-specific terminology to describe age-old phenomena. For example, we call a bait and switch "clickbait," or a celebrity an "influencer," or artwork "content." It feels suffocating, like our veins have turned into wires. Even when we want to unplug, daily necessities like working at our job, completing homework, and paying our bills force us kicking and screaming back into the digital space. It's an underwhelming dystopia. I feel the need to buy a paperback copy of Baudrillard and read it outside on a hammock in the sunshine, just to get myself away from a screen for an hour or two.
Probably one of the most interesting videos I've seen in a long time. This being said - I'm living in Berlin and many people are actually wearing the styles shown in the video here
I don’t even use tik-tok,seeing all of these things born out of the platform feels weird. It’s like another world is bleeding into ours,and a more unhinged one at that.
my flex is that i never even downloaded tik tok, 0 contact i recommend this lifestyle to anyone xD respect bro for creating quality content which is not fucking attention bait / view factory. Just you being you and expressing your interesting thoughts.
Fantastic, I did studies in Sociology and Communication theories - Frankfurt School - Behavioral subjects - Mass Media - Mirror Theorie by James Lacan... bla bla, and you did a 15min masterclass off all that field. Great book recommendation btw.!
I think people forget the idea that everything you see on the internet isn’t real. Or at least ask yourself what are the motives of these people pushing these posts on the internet.
so glad you shouted out fashion elitist. really appreciate the topics both of you have been diving into lately. though it can be said that discussing/criticizing social media and consumerism is becoming the next level in the simulation (just like the final lines of your video said)
I've never used tiktok and it's been surreal trying to guess whats going on in fashion tiktok based on the outfits people wear to run errands. Power to the people in full aesthetic fits, I remember when everyone was peer pressured into shopping from the same 3 stores at the mall. I think people spend the same amount as they used to, it's just that they're buying more disposable pieces. Instead of a $50 'cool kid' tank top made in a sweatshop the kids are buying 10 $5 'cool kid' tank tops that are also made in a sweatshop.
3:18 was genius! Hahahahah About the topic, there's this thing that people don't wanna get dressed to look good. That would be totally okay! People are just using fashion to look not good but superior to others. It's like creating a persona that hides our insecurities and feeds our ego. At the end of the day we're running from ourselves, from being just an avarage human being.
I never knew blokecore existed, I just thought that wearing football shirtsshould be as fashionable as using Basketball shirts. Specially because some have beautiful designs by their own.
When. I first started getting into Techwear I was like what do I own that has some technical functional properties, sweat wicking, fast drying, comfortable stretch? Ah yes my football shirts obviously. Who knew I was a trend setter 🤣🤣🤣
I live in London and there are tons of younger people (most are obviously rich) walking around in public who literally dress and look like they do on social media. Lots of people make the point about "tiktok fashion doesn't translate into real life, it will feel better when you touch grass" but i see shit like this and it feels hellish because people have obviously become so chronically online that their online personas transcend computers. Because obviously many of these fits were designed for social media, with a cookie-cutter styling language. Real street style is much more subtle yet interesting because it comes from real-world experiences, not for the algorithm or out of pressure to draw the most possible eyeballs
Loving these recent videos! This is a really good application of Baudrillard to today's online fashion landscape. A follow up looking at further solutions like Baudrillard's Fatal Strategy, etc could be cool.
Everything in the web is enhanced reality, that's what artists have been doing from years in painting and cinema. Now that most of our lives are in the web everybody gotta be an artist in a way, filters, lighting, color correcting, Photoshop, perfect scenes, perfect models with perfect proportions, and with time what doesn't fit these requirements doesn't have any exposition, that's something you can see very easily in instagram and tiktok, only the best looking people in the best enviroments are gonna be shared, and the normal not enhanced reality gets lost in the ocean of content
I am aware that there are micro trends are whizzing around like trash in a tornado, influencing my taste but mostly I am content to just deal with the very slow amalgamation of these influences and focus on the things I actually care about like sustainability, comfort, repair, and feeling OK in the mirror.
I am not what most people would consider fashionable. I just wear what is comfortable and I like the aesthetic. I do think that one area where TikTok (and the internet generally) has really done a number is alternative fashion. Punk, goth, and grunge specifically. Some influencer spread the idea that it is expensive to dress in these styles, when the whole point (especially of punk and even moreso of grunge) is that it is inexpensive and DIY.
I was so comfortable watching the video and then I realized it’s the quiet ass persona music chillin me out! Never watched your stuff before but great delivery and cool dive into the concept :)
Men this is great content. It is about fashion but gives something to think about. If you like Simulation and Simulacra by Baudrillard I recommend the book Distrust That Particular Flavor by William Gibson.
Its so funny seeing comments on tik tok saying stuff like "rick owens are played out, everybody is wearing it." Like, no lol. I have literally only seen ONE person in real life wear ricks. Just cause your algorithm shows you a lot of something does not mean it is popular.
It was a pleasure watching you making parallels between Baudrillard’s work and TikTok fashion 👏👏👏 Indeed we live in a world of infinite simulations and simulacras reflecting and affecting each other. Looking at life around (and inside) us through this prism of perception is quite thought provoking. Thanks for this awesome video!
I was legit thinking the same thing 😂 I’m like wait “isn’t Antwon contributing to this aswell?” I guess like they say, “ the first step to recovery is acknowledgment “ 😂
I was early into a lot of these brands in the 2000s-2010s and it's so weird to see local shops like SSENSE in memes online and just how insane streetfashion and hypebeast culture has become. If you remember WDYWTD, what did you wear today on the old hypebeast forum people would post fits and flex in a similar way back then just not on a massive scale like Tik Tok is today.
Ok but, I would wear most of these outfits outside? Most of them are too expensive sure, but if someone handed me one of these outfits I would be excited to put it on and strut around. I've struggled a lot with being self conscious but I made it a rule to never let it stop me from expressing myself.
The "people thinking hooligans are going for 'blokecore' reminded me of something that happened to me not too long ago. I'm an attorney (relevant to the story, I swear), and thus limited to wearing at least business casual most of the time. A few years ago I moved to a beach-y, tourist-y town, and realised I could get away with adding a bit of individual style to my outfit by replacing my unicolour dress shirts with Hawaiian and tropical print. So, I did. Turns out, there's a group with some rather bad politics that use Hawaiian shirts as their 'uniform', and I've had a few GenZ people who... not assume I'm a part of this group myself, but assume I'm wearing Hawaiian shirts because I saw people emulating this group's style online. Like, I guess I appreciate that they don't find me despicable enough to be part of this group, but the concept that fashion MUST be influenced by the internet in some way, there are specific niches, and fashion does not overlap to the part where, if I'm not part of the group there still must be a series of links connecting their "uniform" and my fashion choices is fascinating (and a bit horrifying). To those people, natural progressions of fashion or simply liking the way something looks (without being to told to on the internet) is foreign. It's weird.
Like this explanation of fashion/lifestyle-induced consumerism we see lately. Hope we could see more consistent trends and content focusing on durability and functionality, and not just OH SHlT I AM THRIFTIN kind of things
When I see somebody at the coffee shop dressed nice I assume they’re on their way somewhere else. Not that they got dressed up just to go to get coffee. This is sad
Online you see people talking about "-core" styles and aesthetics, but you don't see it in action outside of that at all, except in the rare cases. Except for one trend I did notice, and it was pearl necklaces, which I still don't understand.
If you're ugly, broke, and/or old it's easy to avoid this stuff: it's not being marketed to you. In fact, you're often warned away from it because you're not the "right" kind of person to be engaging with the content/object. Source: my own life lmao
Really enjoying these videos that make my think about fashion and consuming as a whole a bit more. Makes me think more about what I’m wearing/buying more. Makes me want to wear what I enjoy a bit more and dress for me.
it’s interesting how skateboarding interacts with this, being a subculture literally contingent around going outside meaning i legitimately have to see kids in whole tiktok fits polar big boys and fucking awesome t shirts every time i hit a spot or go to the skatepark
Tbh, I have seen a lot of blokecore outfits lately, even seen brand selling "fake" football shirts. There is an Aston Villa goalie top from the 90s I really want because its so mad, though
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The thing that bothers me with these videos is also the fact that we rarely see them wearing the same items for different outfits. When I buy a piece of clothing, I try to envision different outfits using the clothes I already own, I am not spending hundreds for a single outfit.
Creators should promote that in my opinion.
yeah I have multiple plaid vest that can be layer over each other to cycle through depending the days under shirt
They cant promote that, because most likely the clothes are rented, bought and returned. Its just for the likes and the views.
@@senritsujumpsuit6021 Exactly! Wear different arrangements of the same clothes
@@Maxatrillion08 True that, I am always wondering how people can afford so many clothes, but with all the return policies being free and extended, it makes sense
But but but that would mean fewer items to have affiliate links for :|
This concept reminds me of the idea of being “chronically online” and how spending so much time in front of a screen gives us a false sense of reality in all other avenues other than fashion as well
Totally agree, and lots of things seem *very* important online but as soon as you get outside they honestly don't matter at all
@@ThisIsAntwon !!!!!!!! When people say “get a job” or “touch some grass” online, they’re not joking. It actually helps put things into perspective, as obvious as it seems lol.
I am also "chronically online" in a different sense - in IRC, since I despise social media (aside from sometimes youtube in form of podcasts). But IRC is only text, so in addition to what you mentioned, I also feel like I have gone blind.
yea, big part of that influence is the main audience of these platform aka young people or straight up kids (or underdeveloped adults), who have zero connection to reality or understanding what is real worth
As someone who does cosplay, this is so fascinating to me. People dressing up in outfits they wouldn't feel comfy walking around outside in feels kind of like they are cosplaying a version of themselves at home, if that makes sense
good observation. Ive heard another youtuber call it your ‘fantasy self’
edit: the video was about minimalism, she was saying how we should stop stuffing our wardrobe with stuff for our 'fantasy self' that will never get worn
I for one am into the character creation that is who people could imagine themselves to be in the right environment without judgement from peers
It does, because as he was explaining stuff, I was thinking he's just describing cosplay as a form of marketing for content.
Well said
This is exactly it. Fashion is already a kind of cosplay, but now we are basically acting like we were our own Sims if that makes sense
Exactly
As someone who never downloaded tik tok, hearing about everything second-hand really makes it sound more and more insane
Nah just stay on funny, public freakouts and cringe and non straight tiktok and it’s so much better than insta reels
@@indoorplant2392 tiktok either way is brain rot 💀
Deadass
same never used
And it’s seriously addictive. I’m in two separate group chats with family members. They never text people back but send tik toks multiple times throughout the day. It’s crazy.
What really helped me was deleting tik tok cold turkey. My perception of fashion and reality in general was being warped and I’ve actually found myself not trying too hard and stressing less whenever I put an outfit together
That sounds like a healthy attitude, glad it helped!
Was using pretty heavily for a while and justifying it as using the messenger features; deleted the apps and logged myself out of devices that I could use mindlessly. Now only post with intention and stay off FYP, explore and recommended videos.
I think this is why I like Pinterest when it comes to looking at fashion inspiration for myself. I’m not being distracted/persuaded by music or voiceover. I only use tic tok when I absolutely can’t find info or a review on an item I want.
same! i still follow some creators on youtube (obviously) but tbh youtube is a better space.
and now i'm like "i can wear what makes me happy, but i definitely don't need to go god mode just to buy hand soap at target"
very freeing, good for us
I just feel like it’s impossible to evade short form content, I’ve never used TikTok yet I’m still bombarded with everything touched on in this video
I have the inverse relationship with this “simulacrum” style of dressing, I used to work at a gas station (petrol station for the mates and lads such as Antwon) while working I saw all walks of life and would often find inspiration through the various construction workers, farmers, and even the homeless. People in the real world who’s garments were indeed worn outside of the digital realm with true intention in mind, and started incorporating it into my outfits. Wether it was a simple carabiner on the waist filled with keys and accessories, or going as far as wearing two pairs of jeans at the same time with basketball shorts underneath (sounds insane because the person I first saw it on was indeed expressing abit of insanity). I would compare it to appreciating the inner workings of Disney land, rather than the facade you see from the outside.
I sometimes catch myself doing this with myself. I wear a lot of scumfuck lookin ass workwear, genuinely just random clothes i got from my dad, bought on craigslist, traded for random stuff, and even some clothing i found at the drinking shed.
So, one day, i was wearing a patched up, "well-worn" mackinaw jacket and cargo pants, with steelies ofc, and i thought to myself "Damn this shit goes stupid hard" and so got me some second hand loggers shirts, for regular wear.
I really resonate with your experience… I’ve found the more interesting combinations of things usually come from interesting people . I am constantly inspired by people of all walks of life wear I live . When I lived in Chinatown in San Francisco I was so inspired by the old ladies and the way they put their pieces together
@KC gotta love it! The bathrobe look is indeed wild and sounds a lot like a customer I had, she worked for a septic service business her husband owned. Always wore a Led Zeppelin t-shirt, dirty flannel and a cut off denim shirt overtop, often had on jeans over pajamas with knee high rubber boots. Nice to see I’m not the only one taking inspiration from the real world. Thanks for sharing
@@baby.nay. old lady’s always know best, there garments tend to be quality aswell as I imagine they’ve had them forever
A lot of my workwear inspired items comes from the fact that my dad was a construction worker for majority of his life. Carhartt, Dickies, and all the hardware companies that made clothes filled his closet. Now I’m also seeing that his western wear collection is influencing me.
i had a massive (positive) reality check a few days ago. Someone complemented my style and i was actually surprised, since (due to social media) i thought i dressed quite boring and "basic", trendy but nothing special. The way i dress hasn’t changed much for the last 3 years, i personally felt that i was missing out on a lot of the newest fashion trends and that i was way behind on the fashion cycle. In reality, the general style of the "early 20s" were currently in has been quite consistent. I do feel very pretty and comfortable in my current wardrobe and (as someone who is at least, to the best of my financial ability, trying to be fashion forward) it made me happy to hear that my style is still considered fashionable :).
as somebody really interested in both fashion and postmodernism, this is an intersectional video i would have never thought i'd see. i always had a weird irk about tiktok fashion content feeling dystopian- you really explained it
Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed it
do you have any other recommendations, authors, movies about those subjects? this video felt really new to me!
i've since deleted tiktok, but i totally fell into this trap of thinking tiktok fashion = reality, especially over lockdowns.
i came out of lockdown afraid to go to the mall, because i'd subconsciously decided i couldn't "compete" with tiktok outfits just trying to go pick up my skincare.
i finally went to the mall and... not a single fucking soul was dressed like they had a tiktok closet.
everyone was in leggings and hoodies, and not even the ones tiktok deemed to be cool that week.
people were just. normal.
it blew my fucking mind.
it sounds really stupid and obvious, but ESPECIALLY in an era when people were stuck inside with nothing to do, that tiktok mentality really started worming it's way into daily lives and thought processes.
it's insane because you're right, it's not even reality. but over the course of those couple years i'd 100% convinced myself someone at the mall would bully me and comment on my mid mall outfit.
i'm not even a stupid person, man. it's just the way it is rn.
Reminds me of how folks go to NYC thinking everyone's going to be dressed like it's fashion week 24/7 when in reality most people dress like they have lives.
It’s like i constantly think I’m under dressed and look like shit and then realize that having a full face, curated outfit and freshly flat ironed hair is not appropriate wear for literally just going to the grocery store.
@@TenderNoodle lmfao no fr you're doing great!!
Yeah I see what are clearly TikTok inspired outfits a handful of times. No one actually goes out in butterfly tie tops 😭. They are cute though.
@@godiswithyou.5358I be dressing like that most of the time when I’m dressed, lol. I love living in delusion tho.
Lol as someone who makes daily grwm tiktoks to go sit in a coffee shop, I'd like to say I do actually immediately go. I've even run into some followers a few times and they said "Oh I just watched you put this outfit on this morning". That being said, if tiktok was my main job - I would probably have a lot of content batched.
That's some authentic content, you love to see it. Cool that people recognise you too
I typically upload my outfits days after wearing them when I get around to editing because I did in fact leave the house immediately and go about my business. But agreed, I understand those who choose to make everything in batches when they feel in the mood.
Nice. Personally, I have embraced the idea of "living the movie". I have loved cyberpunk from as early as I can remember. I viewed my dress sense as an expression of that. I discovered techwear in the last 10 years and added it to the basic black or olive cargo pants, a black shirt with a music/band/pop culture reference and boots or styled sneaker/trainers. The jackets were either leather biker, trench coat or military. I remember having an olive German surplus field jacket with hood that was fantastic. I am 51 and still getting around in more or less the same but a little more updated!
This guy gets it.
I relate to you on a spiritual level
They’re standing on our shoulders, bless them. It’s how it’s meant to be. When I hear older ppl complaining about “the state of the youth today” (you and I are old enough to have lived through a few cycles of this bs), I remind them that what they whinge about today exists only because we did what we did in our time of influence. Lol, can’t separate yourself from the generations, that’s a media hoax. We’re all in this together.
Lol thanks!
I love this more broad approach to the fashion community that you’ve taken as of recent, keep it up!
Thanks so much!
In my mid 20s my friend sat me down and said “you don’t have drip” and wanted me to get into street wear. I tried getting into street wear but I never felt comfortable with it.
I went back to my old style but actually made an effort to look great and people actually tell me they like my style.
I love sling bags tho so that’s the only thing from tech wear that I still use to this day
This is a great video. You're expressing something that has been bugging me for a while. Aesthetics evolved from subcultures, which emerged in real life. Now in the digital cultural conversations, meaningless "cultureless" "aesthetics" can be created from scratch, from the comfort of a laptop and a Pinterest board, maybe they gain culture AFTER the fact, like a subculture in reverse, based on who happens to be attracted to the fabricated aesthetic. With no reference to why it existed in the real world, but perhaps solely existing in a fandom world, such as how dark academia refers to books and podcasts, which reference a culture of an idealized or dramatized past in a memory of college campuses or boarding schools. Even something like "glirchcore" could be vaguely related to the music genres of glitchhop, dubstep, and edm music, mixed with fandom characters of a glitchy, reality based nature, such as Michael/The Spiral from The Magnus archives or Gabriel from the Mandela Catalogue, or the creepy movies such as The Ring/Ringu, Skinamarink, and the genre of analog TV horror. Or even digital horror like Paranormal Activity and Unfriended.
I don't understand why you are so convinced these outfits doesn't exist irl.
Like, with absurdist makeup looks, the people usually say that "yes, this is removed after application 99% of the time because it's an artwork, not actually for wearing", but a lot of absurdist fashion is perfectly wearable outside. I lived in a capital for almost my entire life, and we've been wearing these outfits since I was 13 in various renditions. I think some of tiktok people does indeed just make a piece of contemporary art fashion video, but I think you're underestimating how many people who actually wear this. Even if they don't wear it, they inspire. It exists. It's not just online.
i agree! maybe because i'm also from the capital, but throughout my life i've seen so many people in "crazy" or just very "different" outfits irl, mostly on public transport, just living their lives and doing ordinary human things.
tbh i've always envied these people and wanted to look like them and be as creative with how i dress. but i'm always cold and i've got no sense of style so idk if i can 🤷♀️
@@pigeondance frieeenn you can do it. Maybe start with some fun shoes or a wacky big warm jacket. It's definitely worth it imo. I don't do it for others, I do it because it makes me immensely happy, its so fun to have something colorful and different and when I look down or in the mirror it feels like a fun video game when you wear crazy clothes.
Maybe I'm in the minority but this channel and Frugal Aesthetic is the only fashion related content I consume, digital or irl. I'm a passive enjoyer/observer of fashion and have never installed TikTok and certainly don't subscribe to any fashion content on Instagram. I do see the influences the content online has on the real world of fashion, even from my very small window look into the fashion world. This is certainly a interesting discussion and would love to see more content like this in the future :)
Bro I'm in the exact same boat
I think it’s because they have takes on fashion and they make you think about what fashion means to you or as an idea. It’s way more engaging than the thousands of other social media fashion “gurus” telling you to buy things or pushing products and their version of “THIS is how you’re suppose to dress!”
If you like this kind of content check out Rian Phin. Not as edited or polished, but the stuff discussed is very interesting and insightful.
They have a huge overlapping viewerbase and youtube reccomends them together, probably because of the way they're edited compared to other fashion content
when it comes to my personal style, it's important to me how clothes feel and how they make me feel--especially as an autistic person with a sensitivity disorder. I love fun and wacky outfits, and I adore high fashion, but I always am conscious of what I can attain/tolerate in reality. I'm always trying to balance creativity, practicality, and comfort.
recently, I've been working on sewing and crocheting my own clothes so that they are tailored exactly to my needs. thinking about clothes this way has really grounded me in reality. I definitely still am inspired by internet fashion content and I love looking at it, but I'm working on being content with just looking--rather than coveting or copying.
Simulacronym …. On a serious note, you’ve hit some really good points in this video. Speaking anecdotally; I used to be into warcore and then realised that looking like I’m going to war as a casual outfit to go out and buy milk and bread doesn’t really work in a setting other than online. I got into actual techwear and realised it wasn’t just a trend that looked cool, but has so much function with regards to my daily lifestyle and commutes. I have carrying capacity and quick access with my quick release sling bag, magnet clasp cargo pockets, water repellant jacket with a sling and so much more.
Fashion without a purpose no longer fascinates me and it’s ultimately what got me away from hype east culture and warcore.
I appreciate the thoughtfulness of your channel. You and frugal aesthetic are my favourite fashion channels that are self-aware and not just promoting rampant consumerism.
Thanks so much!
try FHTV also
“Giving a false impression of how they dress offline” that was actually super interesting to me to hear- I actually *do* wear super alt fashion irl (though not any of the styles you showed), as my daily fashion- so I hadn’t thought that people on tiktok only wear these clothes on camera haha
On the other hand though I don’t really post to tiktok or watch it so 🤷♀️ if you’re a content creator I guess it’s different.
There’s a couple caveats though- I work from home so I don’t need to worry about office wear, and I also don’t fully dress up for like, a quick run to Walgreens generally because I’m not always up to dealing with people’s reactions. I don’t want to get interrogated about what I’m wearing when I’m just trying to buy toilet paper. And I wear loungewear at home too because who doesn’t want to be comfortable? Although it’s probably different from the loungewear most people wear.
But yeah, 95% of the time when I’m leaving the house and on weekends I’m fully dressed up in alt fashion. It’s really interesting to think though that some people have an ‘online only’ wardrobe. But yeah I don’t dress the way I do to create content so that’s a big difference from your examples.
you're very cool for that!! i love it when people get creative with their fashion on a daily basis, having someone like that around is like always hanging out near a decorated and brightly-lit Christmas tree, or a beautiful painting. if i saw you irl i would probably remember you and your outfit as "that cool unusual person on the subway" for like several months after. i wish i could be like that too!
I’m in exactly the same boat lol, I also stay inside all week in pyjamas then when I go out at weekends I go big, am also alt and hardly use tiktok. Like when I’m dressed up like that I feel the most like myself and the most confident, I guess it’s just not for everybody when he calls big outfits ‘not wearable’…
This is why Daniel Simmons is my favorite fashion influencer. He wears outfits one can actually bring out the house, doesn't push microtrends, re-uses items all the time (it's pretty much a meme at this point), and doesn't push products or lifestyles on his viewers. Nice video man, I really enjoyed it!
Thanks! Agreed, his more wearable style is a lot more helpful for people looking for advice on what to *actually* wear
Bro owns some very expensive pieces though honestly. I don't think I would refer to him as practical. The way I improved my sense was by studying color theory, applying it and eventually, mastering it.
Thank you for this video, I am gen Z and I needed this, I did not realise I needed to shake off the feeling that I have to dress like a postapocalyptic gothic fairy mermaid for work to not be boring.
Tiny Jewish Girl is a great content creator on tiktok who genuinely wears the outfits she makes and resides clothing all the time. She also shows photos of her from high school and on discovering her personal styles (which kind of shows us wear she comes from). Also, she shows loungewear and other things as well and talks through the thought process of her outfits and why she chooses a certain item over something else. I appreciate it because it’s just interesting to see what someone thinks about when putting an outfit together. She does live in NYC though so it’s easier to see people dress like her there.
Antwon dipping into postmodernism, love it
Boom! I am big fan of Baudrillard and think you are spot on with your application of his theory to fashion focussed social media. Hyperreality can be widened out to all social media to explore the impact on political discourse; but that is an absolute minefield!! Great video!
Thanks so much!
I've already been thinking about how cheap dropshipped "TechWear" is a simulacrum... Copies of copies all the way down.
Being born in the 90's and growing up in the 2000's and 2010's put me right in the middle of the development of tech and social media. I got to live life without it, whilst also seeing it "be born", grow and change the world.
Because I saw the creation and evolution of apps like Instagram, I knew exactly how tiktok would affect me, so I never downloaded the app, and would discourage others from doing it too.
If you look at the evolution of "the makeup community", I'd say it went through the exact same thing that online fashion is doing right now. It reached a peak of oversaturation, with makeup hauls and extreme looks everywhere (think instagram brows and harsh cut creases), which eventually resulted in people cutting down on their makeup spending and reverting back to a cleaner and more natural aesthetic (like the clean girl thing on tiktok).
I can only assume that in the near future people will start to focus even more on a combination of personal style, comfort and sustainability, where they buy fewer intentional pieces that they reuse often, in favour of constantly consuming more.
I've personally made a conscious choice a few years ago to cut down on shopping in an attempt to be less wasteful, save some money and actually curate a wardrobe of items that mostly go together and specific range of colours, so I can just slap on anything without it looking bad (I'm lazy and suffer from time blindness).
Yes, when I see these styling videos I often think "OMG! Maybe I should go for that style, it's so cute.", but sometimes you have to stop yourself and think "Would I ever even wear that?", and oftentimes the answer might be *no!*
Realise that these fashion shorts are just for entertainment, and that most people don't dress like that daily. _Not even the people posting the videos._
I appreciate this video, I didn’t realize I was caught up in this fashion whirlwind. It always bothered me when I was on TikTok that I couldn’t easily simulate what I saw. Money or whatever else was stopping me
This is one of those rare instances where I’m incredibly happy to be a “grandma” and not know anything about this incredible waste of time that is watching other people pick out their outfits lol
chew my food first and spoon feed it to me type shi
Tiktok fashion helped me develop my style and actually get into fashion, but after a while it just turned into a shopping problem. It’s a good place to get a sense of what you might like, but I feel much more confident and comfortable in the clothes I wear since I deleted Tiktok.
Imo as someone who hikes, climbs,… I hate to see how much outdoor brands have risen in price just because some dudes buy a goretex jacket to wear it in the shower or urban soho only to go inside when it rains.
Video summary. Online fashion has become a meme:
an element of a culture or system of behavior passed from one individual to another by imitation or other nongenetic means. So while the original definition exists, the exposure of these things causes its perception to change
This video struck me in a place where I needed it to and spoke to an inner part of me that needed working on, thank you for this content you worked hard to produce.💯
Thanks! That really means a lot, glad you found it useful
such a big oxymoron. the whole idea of fashion is to show off your own style, to had your own confidence to an everyday routine, but buying and putting together outfits solely for social media throws the entire essence of fashion out the window. like, if you’re not going to wear something in public, but showcase it online, then you’re falling ever closer to your life being a facade.
Honestly
It makes so meta that it becomes distasteful, empty and nauseating. In my opinion
I appreciate the fact that you sound like you actually read that book. Unlike soooo many commenters who think the book is about us literally living in a simulation. Like the Matrix.
sad to see how many pieces are created/bought for the sole purpose of shock value in a video and never to be actually worn in real life..
I also remember the increase of interest in vintage lingerie among the mainstream, so prices went up and a lot of influencers posted themselves wearing them indoors on IG/TT, and it got so normalised that people started wearing them out. It's shocking to someone who is not chronically online or rarely follows trends to see people wearing what is supposed to be underwear as regular clothing. Shein/fashion nova style clothing are also great examples of media prop clothing, they barely hold or cover anything and the quality is so obviously poorly done, they clearly would not stand more than 2-3 wears before they break. Just enough for a tiktok dance, perhaps. But oh well "they're just $2"
The mainstream ruins everything. Everything.
jus sayin, goth kids were wearing slips as regular dresses in the 90s
Everyone talks about tik tok like it’s not even an option to not use it. Everything in this video is nullified by just not watching short form video. You miss nothing, you lose nothing, if the general consensus is anything to go by, you stand to gain.
that persona 5 music in the background , good choice
I appreciate that this is almost like an open discussion and recognition of things regarding hyper reality, and not a massively negative doom post. It's very well rounded and informative, thanks Antwon.
First time seeing fashion content creator so smart. I love the Baudrillard reference
This is pretty much why I observe trends but do not follow them. Roughly 80% of my wardrobe is made up of classically-inspired menswear articles made out of as many natural materials as possible... And the remaining 20% is because I haven't cleared out the closet yet.
My attention span and wallet cannot be bothered to keep up with the "current thing" of the week. Better to just go timeless and let the clothes and attitude speak for themselves.
Damn.. we’re basically just customizing our avatars at this point.
This is a fascinating topic with great editing and humor. I personally have no interest in fashion, but your video was recommended to me and kept me engaged, even when I missed your specific references to fashion terms and trends.
I know I also feel like I'm trapped in the Matrix. Our modern life experiences are mired in layers upon layers of simulacra because we spend so much of our lives online that we try to make the world outside fit the internet's mold. We use new internet-specific terminology to describe age-old phenomena. For example, we call a bait and switch "clickbait," or a celebrity an "influencer," or artwork "content." It feels suffocating, like our veins have turned into wires. Even when we want to unplug, daily necessities like working at our job, completing homework, and paying our bills force us kicking and screaming back into the digital space. It's an underwhelming dystopia. I feel the need to buy a paperback copy of Baudrillard and read it outside on a hammock in the sunshine, just to get myself away from a screen for an hour or two.
Probably one of the most interesting videos I've seen in a long time. This being said - I'm living in Berlin and many people are actually wearing the styles shown in the video here
As an actual skier, I hate this trend on skiwear because it’s made items much harder to find and more expensive
I don’t even use tik-tok,seeing all of these things born out of the platform feels weird. It’s like another world is bleeding into ours,and a more unhinged one at that.
subscribed to laugh at dropshippers merch... stayed for the existential crisis
jokes aside, great video. never heard the tom & jerry example for simulacra and simulation
my flex is that i never even downloaded tik tok, 0 contact i recommend this lifestyle to anyone xD
respect bro for creating quality content which is not fucking attention bait / view factory. Just you being you and expressing your interesting thoughts.
Fantastic, I did studies in Sociology and Communication theories - Frankfurt School - Behavioral subjects - Mass Media - Mirror Theorie by James Lacan... bla bla, and you did a 15min masterclass off all that field. Great book recommendation btw.!
I found this fascinating and I also learned that I am not actually an avid outdoorswoman but am, in fact, just super into gorpcore 😂
I think people forget the idea that everything you see on the internet isn’t real. Or at least ask yourself what are the motives of these people pushing these posts on the internet.
I was sent here by the algorithm, I have zero interest in fashion whatsoever, but this was super interesting to watch! Great content!
so glad you shouted out fashion elitist. really appreciate the topics both of you have been diving into lately. though it can be said that discussing/criticizing social media and consumerism is becoming the next level in the simulation (just like the final lines of your video said)
This video helped me understand why I never actually enjoyed or understood Rick and Morty ....
Dude introduced himself as an Audi RS3, how could I not subscribe as a fellow high performer Audi fan/owner myself.
I've never used tiktok and it's been surreal trying to guess whats going on in fashion tiktok based on the outfits people wear to run errands. Power to the people in full aesthetic fits, I remember when everyone was peer pressured into shopping from the same 3 stores at the mall. I think people spend the same amount as they used to, it's just that they're buying more disposable pieces. Instead of a $50 'cool kid' tank top made in a sweatshop the kids are buying 10 $5 'cool kid' tank tops that are also made in a sweatshop.
love the more theory based discussion! hoping for some more like this in the future 🤞
Jeeez Anton! I thought you're a cool guy reviewing tech clothes, it turns out you're undercover scientist! Thank you for your genuine hard work
Hahaha thanks, much appreciated 🙏
3:18 was genius! Hahahahah
About the topic, there's this thing that people don't wanna get dressed to look good. That would be totally okay! People are just using fashion to look not good but superior to others. It's like creating a persona that hides our insecurities and feeds our ego. At the end of the day we're running from ourselves, from being just an avarage human being.
Better definition of simulacra than my lecturers ever gave
having just started playing lobcorp, the use of its sound effects really caught me off guard
I never knew blokecore existed, I just thought that wearing football shirtsshould be as fashionable as using Basketball shirts. Specially because some have beautiful designs by their own.
When. I first started getting into Techwear I was like what do I own that has some technical functional properties, sweat wicking, fast drying, comfortable stretch? Ah yes my football shirts obviously. Who knew I was a trend setter 🤣🤣🤣
I live in London and there are tons of younger people (most are obviously rich) walking around in public who literally dress and look like they do on social media. Lots of people make the point about "tiktok fashion doesn't translate into real life, it will feel better when you touch grass" but i see shit like this and it feels hellish because people have obviously become so chronically online that their online personas transcend computers. Because obviously many of these fits were designed for social media, with a cookie-cutter styling language. Real street style is much more subtle yet interesting because it comes from real-world experiences, not for the algorithm or out of pressure to draw the most possible eyeballs
What an amazing video! I‘d never thought to find Baudrillard on this channel.
Loving these recent videos! This is a really good application of Baudrillard to today's online fashion landscape. A follow up looking at further solutions like Baudrillard's Fatal Strategy, etc could be cool.
understanding simulacra is also good online literacy practice. Not just in trends but understanding what people really believe vs what they say
I don't understand, could you give an example please?
Brilliant analogies, great concept of the video. We are in a simulated reality. Everything’s fed to us.
I’m a big fan of the 5cyl, keep up the good work Audi RS3
we need a doomaday clock for the fashion landscape
10:18 specially because fashion tiktok ppl go around buying everything and reselling it super expensive like stop😭
I'm so glad this obsession is back. Reminds me of when I would check lookbook and tumblr every night to admire all the loud outfits and get ideas 🥰
This channel has the best thematic growth trajectory I have ever seen on this website
Everything in the web is enhanced reality, that's what artists have been doing from years in painting and cinema. Now that most of our lives are in the web everybody gotta be an artist in a way, filters, lighting, color correcting, Photoshop, perfect scenes, perfect models with perfect proportions, and with time what doesn't fit these requirements doesn't have any exposition, that's something you can see very easily in instagram and tiktok, only the best looking people in the best enviroments are gonna be shared, and the normal not enhanced reality gets lost in the ocean of content
Dude, your editing is really funny
Honestly a really good video, extremely relevant and overall what i've been feeling recently, keep it up you're the best
I am aware that there are micro trends are whizzing around like trash in a tornado, influencing my taste but mostly I am content to just deal with the very slow amalgamation of these influences and focus on the things I actually care about like sustainability, comfort, repair, and feeling OK in the mirror.
I found you because I saw a tiktok about techwear
I am not what most people would consider fashionable. I just wear what is comfortable and I like the aesthetic.
I do think that one area where TikTok (and the internet generally) has really done a number is alternative fashion.
Punk, goth, and grunge specifically. Some influencer spread the idea that it is expensive to dress in these styles, when the whole point (especially of punk and even moreso of grunge) is that it is inexpensive and DIY.
fashion and philosophy two of my favorite things!! your analysis is very good
I was so comfortable watching the video and then I realized it’s the quiet ass persona music chillin me out! Never watched your stuff before but great delivery and cool dive into the concept :)
Men this is great content. It is about fashion but gives something to think about. If you like Simulation and Simulacra by Baudrillard I recommend the book Distrust That Particular Flavor by William Gibson.
Thanks very much! Great suggestion - I am a fan of Gibson's work but haven't read that, so will check it out
Its so funny seeing comments on tik tok saying stuff like "rick owens are played out, everybody is wearing it." Like, no lol. I have literally only seen ONE person in real life wear ricks. Just cause your algorithm shows you a lot of something does not mean it is popular.
It was a pleasure watching you making parallels between Baudrillard’s work and TikTok fashion 👏👏👏 Indeed we live in a world of infinite simulations and simulacras reflecting and affecting each other. Looking at life around (and inside) us through this prism of perception is quite thought provoking. Thanks for this awesome video!
I’d argue this “issue” has existed throughout humanity, and because of that it makes me think how it is just too easy to overthink things
I was legit thinking the same thing 😂 I’m like wait “isn’t Antwon contributing to this aswell?” I guess like they say, “ the first step to recovery is acknowledgment “ 😂
I was early into a lot of these brands in the 2000s-2010s and it's so weird to see local shops like SSENSE in memes online and just how insane streetfashion and hypebeast culture has become. If you remember WDYWTD, what did you wear today on the old hypebeast forum people would post fits and flex in a similar way back then just not on a massive scale like Tik Tok is today.
Every Tiktoker be uploading their fits every 30 minutes while I'm still too much of a coward to submit my 3 only fits to r/techwearclothing
Ok but, I would wear most of these outfits outside? Most of them are too expensive sure, but if someone handed me one of these outfits I would be excited to put it on and strut around. I've struggled a lot with being self conscious but I made it a rule to never let it stop me from expressing myself.
The "people thinking hooligans are going for 'blokecore' reminded me of something that happened to me not too long ago.
I'm an attorney (relevant to the story, I swear), and thus limited to wearing at least business casual most of the time. A few years ago I moved to a beach-y, tourist-y town, and realised I could get away with adding a bit of individual style to my outfit by replacing my unicolour dress shirts with Hawaiian and tropical print. So, I did.
Turns out, there's a group with some rather bad politics that use Hawaiian shirts as their 'uniform', and I've had a few GenZ people who... not assume I'm a part of this group myself, but assume I'm wearing Hawaiian shirts because I saw people emulating this group's style online. Like, I guess I appreciate that they don't find me despicable enough to be part of this group, but the concept that fashion MUST be influenced by the internet in some way, there are specific niches, and fashion does not overlap to the part where, if I'm not part of the group there still must be a series of links connecting their "uniform" and my fashion choices is fascinating (and a bit horrifying).
To those people, natural progressions of fashion or simply liking the way something looks (without being to told to on the internet) is foreign. It's weird.
Like this explanation of fashion/lifestyle-induced consumerism we see lately.
Hope we could see more consistent trends and content focusing on durability and functionality, and not just OH SHlT I AM THRIFTIN kind of things
When I see somebody at the coffee shop dressed nice I assume they’re on their way somewhere else. Not that they got dressed up just to go to get coffee. This is sad
Online you see people talking about "-core" styles and aesthetics, but you don't see it in action outside of that at all, except in the rare cases. Except for one trend I did notice, and it was pearl necklaces, which I still don't understand.
If you're ugly, broke, and/or old it's easy to avoid this stuff: it's not being marketed to you. In fact, you're often warned away from it because you're not the "right" kind of person to be engaging with the content/object. Source: my own life lmao
Well said and DEEPLY anxiety inducing
Really enjoying these videos that make my think about fashion and consuming as a whole a bit more.
Makes me think more about what I’m wearing/buying more.
Makes me want to wear what I enjoy a bit more and dress for me.
This video was not only entertaining but I also felt like I learned something
This was originally a boredom doom scroll video but it turns out this is genuinely incredibly interesting and insightful, thank you, god bless.
it’s interesting how skateboarding interacts with this, being a subculture literally contingent around going outside meaning i legitimately have to see kids in whole tiktok fits polar big boys and fucking awesome t shirts every time i hit a spot or go to the skatepark
Tbh, I have seen a lot of blokecore outfits lately, even seen brand selling "fake" football shirts.
There is an Aston Villa goalie top from the 90s I really want because its so mad, though
Man the persona music always hits so hard just a masterpiece