Just got all misty eyed reliving the past when me and a few friends used to go and watch the races I went to Epsom and to Paris, what a great day out that was. The Brits went crazy. I wasn't even a fan but I never forgot Dancing Brave, what a superstar. A great, great horse. So exciting to watch. Near the back and then just blows everyone else away. When I think of sporting heroes from the eighties for me it's Marvin Hagler, Alex Higgins and Dancing Brave.
Alistair i too am 56 and on that day i had £40 on sharastani i felt sorry for dancing brave a better horse by far What was starkey doing should have covered up mid field moved up round tattenham then home sharastani would not have caught him Alistair im too much of a gentlemen to accuse wrongdoing but i am deeply worried by a top jockey riding like that to b honest that ride by starkey stunk
@@indiana146 I backed Dancing Brave every time he ran including ante post at 16/1 for 2000 Guineas. Had double at Epsom with Midway Lady 7/2 winner of Oaks. Pat Eddery wouldn't have lost the Derby but hindsight is a wonderful thing.
@@digeme69 ive watched the race many times i still cant wonder what starkey was doing sat at the back Ive watched races where a horse has been pulled its been easy to spot I would not think a man of starkeys standing would b involved in that But makes you wonder He rode like he didnt want to win Which jockey dropped his hands and more or less stopped riding on El gran senor
@@indiana146 Was the last part a question? It was Pat but I'm not sure he dropped his hands, it was more a case of hitting the front too soon. Anyway its all what ifs and Pat was a great rider(99% of the time). From memory I recall horse like Deep Sensation and Morley St over the jumps. If they hit the front too soon they stopped racing
Greville Starkey, Pat Eddery & Walter Swinburn. 3 great jockeys all involved in the story of the mighty brave & all of them sadly no longer with us. RIP Grev, Pat & Walter & thanks for the memories.
When you take this ride into consideration, you cannot call Starkey a great. It was a great tragedy. Whether it was corruption or incompetence is not important to me. It was absolutely dreadful. Still painful in 2021.
@@kevincheadle5366 same 16, I did back west tip in the grand national and did expect to back the derby winner to! Also had sharood and the French horse Arokar each way, but they didn’t do anything
Every time I watch this race I am in awe of Dancing Brave - ridden like a non-stayer by Starkey (of course at this stage of his career they couldn't be sure he would get the mile and a half) and then having a rough passage the horse still almost won, and the acceleration in those final 2 furlongs still sends shivers down my spine. Sharastani, a good horse in his own right, only ever glimpsed a disappearing backside of Dancing Brave from there onwards in their careers. Frankel was amazing, but for me, in 50 years watching Racing, this horse was the best I ever saw.
The night before the derby Starkey was asked if his horse would stay the trip and said he would stay the ascot gold cup so he could not have ridden the horse like a non stayer
@@DavidChesler-e7o The horse had never won at or even run at 1m4f and so was ridden to get the trip and in another year and with a smaller field he would have won. Dancing Brave won the Craven and 2,000 Guineas prior to the Derby, both at a mile, whereas Shahrastani won the Sandown Classic Trial and the Dante Stakes, both more recognised as a Derby trial at 1m2f and so was ridden up with the pace as if he would get the trip. Shahrastani was also by Nijinsky, a Derby, Irish Derby, King George and even a St Ledger winner. There were 17 runners in this 1986 Derby, meaning when Dancing Brave was held up and ridden to get the trip, he was having to come wide and around the outside of 16 rivals and made his run initially so wide and so far up the camber due to the field size.
My mate had £100 at 33's, £100 at 16's and another £100 at 6's on the day on Shahrastani, I'll never forget the look of anguish on his face during that final furlong... He was lucky that day and history would prove the best horse lost, but Shahrastani was a very good horse on his day, he was very impressive in the Irish Derby and if I remember started favourite when they next met for the rematch in the K.George.
I had been backing Shahrastani for weeks before the race. Not quite as much as that but I was screaming for the winning post all the way down that final furlong.
I was left £5000 in an old aunty's will I helped her every winter she lived in the sticks and I did her shopping every week I didn't exspect nor wanted anything So I got 25/1 very early reference point bloody hell I bought a house with winnings
My favourite racehorse of all time, dancing brave was a absolute machine of a horse, his turn of foot was unbelievable, saw this race millions of times and each time a think dancing brave was going to catch shahrastini, jockey gave him to much to do, greatest ever,,
I honestly don't think he acted around Tattenham,he looked so unbalanced,and also, watch Mashkour,which incidently put up the fasted time in the final furlong,Dancing Brave shot past him like a bullet,but Mashkour was actually catching him in the final furlong,it was a case of Shahrastani acting on the track,and sadly Dancing Brave not.
He was all over the place, coming in to the straight, take nothing away from Shahrastani though, he was a top drawer colt in his own right, but DB is the the best colt I've seen.
The most powerful stretch drive ever scene on a course of all time from Dancing Brave no horse in history had that much power as a 3yo ust imagine if he ran at 4.
Although his closing run failed to catch Shahrastani in the 1986 Derby Stakes, Dancing Brave turned in one of the fastest closing furlongs in the race’s history, having been clocked at 10.3 seconds for the final 220 yards.
Its So Painful to watch...Greville couldn't settle him.. "" oh so much to do "".. What an astounding understatement... Dancing Brave's Greatness will be judged on many things.. But for me, any Horse fast enough to win the 2000 Guineas.. Then Defeat older horses in the Greatest race, the Arc , has to be considered Great.. Not Sea Bird, Frankel, Ribot, The Brigadier, or Mill Reef did that...And to think the Horse would have barely been a 3 Yr old when running in the Derby.. With todays Guineas being run in late May now, Dancing Brave would have won his Guineas as a 2 Yr old.. That's Greatness for me..
Can't believe to this day The bookies still had sharastani favourite in the king George.When pat and the brave swooped past the whole bookies I was in erupted. Everyone had backed him. If I remember shadari came 2nd .
Wow! What a race horse! He made up nearly 28 lengths in the final 3 furlongs. You just don't see that happen. Finest distance specialist ever to set foot on a European race track. Frankel was not as complete a racehorse as was the great Dancing Brave.
Jackie Dyson I never seen in my life a more impressive series of wins than those of Dancing Brave in the Eclipse, King George and the Arc. I am always impressed by the the comment ".. but owe soo much to do.. " when it is clear that Dancing Brave is the Best but does not have the chance to prove this.
A phenomenal performance by DB, it’s odd but this elevated him more in defeat than in victory, can’t say that about many races. Every time I watch it I just keep expecting him to get there but oh so much to do
I backed sharastani here , was gutted when he was only 4th in king george, he wasnt right that day sweated profusely, ran a lot better in the Arc but dancing brave was obviously a superstar tho ......
Won a £10 free straight forecast bet with the Daily Mirror and picked Sharastani to finish 1st and Dancing brave 2nd, won quite a bit of money that day.
the actual fastest finisher in the Derby for the last Furlong is Sir Ivor in 1968. D.B.s run was from 3. and a 1/2 furlongs out. so his finish was more of a sustained run rather than the blinding speed that Sir Ivor showed. Not altogether certain that he was as unlucky as is thought the way the race was run i.e slow pace. winning time was 2.37 over Six seconds above the record. . He was a brilliant horse from then on esp. in the Arc.
It annoys me that so many racing fans tend to forget how great a ride Walter Swinburn gave Sharastani, too busy slagging off poor Greville Starkey who didn't give Dancing Brave as bad a ride as people say, it all came down to one thing - Walter Swinburn's push for home at exactly the right time, if he had left it any later to kick on then DB would have won and Greville would have been hailed a hero for timing his run to perfection, as I've said it all came down to a brilliant ride Swinburn gave the winner, the unfair criticism of Greville probably hurt him more than we'll ever know
@tony McGrath Greville Starkey said that Dancing Brave was "bombproof" over a mile and a half. If this was the case he should NEVER have had the horse so far back. Terrible ride, plain and simple.
Are you serious @tonymcgrath700 ? Wake up and smell the coffee🙈 Dancing Brave was the best horse in the race. As long as the jockey had Dancing Brave in and around the first 3 with 2 furlongs left to race, there was no doubt whatsoever who would win. Swinburn gave his horse a brilliant ride, no one doubts that, but Starkey's performance "on that day", was abysmal!!!
@@KryptonitetoallBSGreville has gone on record saying Dancing Brave didn't handle Tattenham corner, firstly Greville Starkey never had the luxury of knowing whether he would stay 1m 4f, if he had been up with the pace like you say do you believe he would have had the same speed he showed when coming from the back like he did? he may well have been outbattled and outstayed by a underated Derby winner in Sharastani, if the race was half a furlong more then Sharastani still wins the race. When people say DB's finish was so fast then what do they expect when they walked the first mile until quick thinking Walter knew he had to go for home early in the straight to stand any chance of winning, he was never going to get caught after the slow early pace
@@tonymcgrath700 You're in denial mate. You're alone thinking that Dancing Brave wasn't the best horse in the race. Starkey was a professional jockey. Given one of the greatest horses of all time he should have easily won the race as Pat Eddery did in the King George.
The best way to make sure you will not win an Epsom Derby is to be out the back at Tattenham Corner. I'm afraid Greville (RIP) made a complete and utter horlicks of things.
Dancing braves 2 defeats were going left handed. Only Two times he ran on left handed tracks. He didnt handle the turns and undulations at epsom either.
I was there and it was so deflating as Dancing Brave was regarded as the outstanding horse of his Generation. It was felt that Starkey left him too much to do but there were concerns about his stamina of the twelve furlongs of Epsom. Watching it again maybe that's harsh but Starkey was replaced by Pat Eddery for the Arc which he won using similar tactics.
RIP Greville Starkey, but it was his fault Dancing Brave didn't win. Well done Shahrastani and Walter Swinburn ( I was lucky to see them win the Irish Derby the same year and get Walter's autograph afterwards...he was a gentleman, RIP).
Watching this back, as has been noted by others, I think that Dancing Brave did not pick up immediately when Greville Starkey asked him to coming round Tattenham Corner, at the 3 furlong marker. This was probaby due to the course undulations of Epsom. Those critical lost lengths I think cost him the race unfortunately. So I am not so sure it is fair to criticise Greville if the horse did not respond as he was expected to. If you watch closely, it took an age before DB reached top gear and when he finally did, he fairly flew past the others but just just missed out on catching Sharastani. So I would say the tricky Epsom Downs beat him more than anything else the jockey could have done. Still a fanatatic finish to the race even if the best horse lost.
One point that is invariably missed is how DB drifted from a straight line in the last furlong while Sharhrastani kept on straight. If only DB had run striaght from the 1f pole he would have won.
It still hurts to watch! If I remember correctly Dancing Brave was reported slightly injured 5 days before the race and drifted to 11/2 ante post. Had a big bet by my standards and doubled up with Midway Lady in The Oaks. Got my money back in the following months King George. Without doubt my favourite racehorse.
It doesn't matter that he was 2nd,'cause everyone knows it was Starkey's exaggerated waiting tactics that cost DB an easy Derby victory,and history shows that the 1986 Arc was probably one of the hottest races of the century.....Dancing Brave was ridden by Pat Eddery and he ran further than any other horse in the race, yet still came storming home on the out side to win cosily.....setting new record for The Arc in the process.
The irony of GG at 2.40 stating 3FL out dancing brave is in I known territory ! That’s key to why he was held up ive seen harwood say this .had to be held up and and such a slow race and tracked fcked for me starkey not to blame
Greville Starkey said that Dancing Brave wasn't travelling well early on. He only needed to have had him a little nearer the middle of the field turning Tattenham Corner to have won easily.
Dancing Brave losing was the story but looking back, watch Mashkour and Steve Cauthen, troubled passage and flew into third. Not sure what happened to that horse after this.
If starky had bee 2 lenghts nearer at the 3 furlong pole he would have won it easy.A travesty.My favourit horse of all time and ive seen the best.He won over all distances.The ark was brilliant.Its a shame he didnt do that well at stud,though did produce a derby winner so not all bad.
Sorry Sunburst 75 l cant agree with your comments about Greville to my mind Dancing Brave just wasnt suited to Epsom and l it was a miracle he came second with the amount of ground he made up was unbelievable.
After 38 years my opinion still no change if Starkey position Dancing Brave better let alone close to the pace then probably will win the Derby. So Starkey always is the one for taking the responsibility. And glad he got kick off from Prince's horses. Mind you nothing personal.
THE Fastest final furlong recorded by any horse in the Derby was by Dancing Brave and somewhat tragically he still was denied the win because of a terrible terrible ride from Starkey
I am not an avid watcher of great group 1 horses but for me, Dancing Brave is the class horse , only matched by Galileo and Sea The Stars, who were bettered by the best horse in history, Frankel.
I agree . When you think of it k Abdulla has probably had the best horses of all time with frankel and dancing brave Also zafonic was another who should have been greater .
Dancing Brave an awesome horse, Frankel a great miler but.................never forget that Brigadier Gerard only got beat when giving 11 pounds to the '72 Derby Winner Roberto, he then reappeared in the QE2 and won easily smashing the track record and.......he beat two subsequent Arc de Triomphe winners in Mill Reef '71 and Rheingold '73......no other horse EVER managed that !
Having watched the race again it's clear Dancing Brave is struggling from the five furlong pole. This isn't Pat Eddery's debatable ride on El Gran Senor in the 1984 Derby where he may have blown it. Eddery had Dancing Brave the same distance back in the Arc as Starkey did here and nearer to the finish. The truth is that while Dancing Brave picked up quickly in the Arc he didn't pick up quickly here. Probably him not handling Epsom and not all horses do handle it. Dubai Millennium won nine races from ten and his only defeat was a ninth in the Derby.
@@DavidS-zq8tz over a mile it would be close...over 10f and 12f The Brave toys with Frankel...too much finishing kick and Frankel never beat anythng anywhere Dancing Braves quality...
@@DavidS-zq8tz i even thnk Pat Eddery was that nice of a guy that he would even give Tom Queally a nice wave as he sauntered past him with 50yds to go!
hello denis thank you for reply i was big fan of bill o,gorman,s horses brondesbury was my fav horse still is the most exciting horse i ever saw just cannot get any recording,s of this fantastic horse
@@williambeekman5383 have you or any others got any footage of Sublimity winning the Champion Hurdle, every race from the last 30 years in on here, yet type in Sublimity and you cant get anything. He got back from 200/1 to 16's , he was up against the best 3 horses at the time, yet he made them look like donkeys, from 4 furlong out he was never going to lose. I got given him as a tip, me mate had 500ew on at 25/1 , i didnt have that kind of money so had 20ew at 16s and was happy at that.
Dancing Brave had too much to do at Tattengam Corner x but the track didn't suit him x he had his days afterwards x Shahrastani deserved it on the day. x.
DANCEING BRAVE WAS THE BEST HORSE I SEEN IN 30 YEARS GREVILLE STARKEY GOT SLATED FOR THE WAY HE RODE HIM BUT THAT'S THE WAY HE WAS TOLD TO RIDE HIM I BELIEVE. GREVILLE MISJUDGED HIS RUN ON THE GRAVEYARD THE REST IS HISTORY 🏇🏇
Watch this race over and over again,,dancing brave was the much better horse,,really poor place to be,,and not a clear run,,plus I think dancing brave responce was not instant,,,made his move about 3 furlongs out,,,he had so much to do,,but didn’t really get him going until 1 1/2 furlongs out,,but came like a train then,,but to much to do,,,it’s like when asked to quicken,,it’s not instant,,but when he does quicken,,it’s breath taking,,,wrong place,,not clear run,,,to much to do,,,bad jocky ship,,,mid field,,he would have won on bridle,,,but what a horse,,as we seen in the arc,, They don’t come about often,,just a shame this derby was his for the taking,,when we know,he could have won this race by 5L or more,,,,brilliant horse,,,I even bet him that day,,had my money back in the arc though,,r,I,p mighty dancing brave
I think it was the best horse ever. Born winner. Just Greville Starkey cocked up in that race. He never rode the horse again and left it to probably the best jockey of his generation Pat Eddery
It’s got to be the worst ride ever on a derby favourite if desert was on it was a certainty greville starkey Nineveh got to ride it again no wonder Mc cririck could’ve won on it
Actually Greville rode the horse in two more races after the Derby John, the Coral Eclipse and also at Goodwood in his prep race for the Arc. You'd be surprised how many people make the same mistake you just did, memories playing tricks after all these years maybe!
@@StephenSmall-sf5um el Gran senor didn’t run enough times over a mile, I’d say sonic lady was better and Rock of Gibraltar, Zilzal. It was a great guineas, but one great race doesn’t make a great horse. It’s what I’f really, I’f El Gran Senor stuck to mile races and remained injury free notching up several group 1 Mile races he could claim to be an all time great. The same is true with Golden Fleece, impressive in all his pre derby races and the derby itself, but through no fault of his own not being able to run again means he couldn’t prove his greatness.
Greville Starkey was the blame for Dancing Braves defeat he rode a shocking race thus why he never sat on the wonder horse again they put a real jockey on it with Pat Eddery RIP Pat godbless
Starkey rode him in the Eclipse and was injured for the king George. After that race Pat Eddery became the retained Jockey for Khalid Abdullah. So he rode Dancing Brave in the Arc and the breeders Cup. It's true though that Starkey gave him a little too much to do. But on a doubtful stayer, saving his speed for the straight was probably the most obvious gameplan.
@@chivasteele Starkey was quoted as saying that Dancing Brave was "bombproof" over a mile and a half when asked did he think the horse would stay. If that's the case he shouldn't have had the horse so far back. Terrible ride......nothing else.
I cant Stop Watching this Race Dancing Brave Still a Top Class Horse need i say More Just Look where he is Coming from To Lose the Race by a Short Head
Just got all misty eyed reliving the past when me and a few friends used to go and watch the races I went to Epsom and to Paris, what a great day out that was. The Brits went crazy. I wasn't even a fan but I never forgot Dancing Brave, what a superstar. A great, great horse. So exciting to watch. Near the back and then just blows everyone else away. When I think of sporting heroes from the eighties for me it's Marvin Hagler, Alex Higgins and Dancing Brave.
Very well chosen I agree wholeheartedly...
I'm 56 and Dancing Brave is the best I've ever seen.
Dancing Brave.. the best flat horse ever
Desert Orchid... best jumps horse and far best horse flat or jumps
Alistair i too am 56 and on that day i had £40 on sharastani i felt sorry for dancing brave a better horse by far
What was starkey doing should have covered up mid field moved up round tattenham then home sharastani would not have caught him
Alistair im too much of a gentlemen to accuse wrongdoing but i am deeply worried by a top jockey riding like that to b honest that ride by starkey stunk
@@indiana146 I backed Dancing Brave every time he ran including ante post at 16/1 for 2000 Guineas. Had double at Epsom with Midway Lady 7/2 winner of Oaks. Pat Eddery wouldn't have lost the Derby but hindsight is a wonderful thing.
@@digeme69 ive watched the race many times i still cant wonder what starkey was doing sat at the back
Ive watched races where a horse has been pulled its been easy to spot
I would not think a man of starkeys standing would b involved in that
But makes you wonder
He rode like he didnt want to win
Which jockey dropped his hands and more or less stopped riding on
El gran senor
@@indiana146 Was the last part a question? It was Pat but I'm not sure he dropped his hands, it was more a case of hitting the front too soon. Anyway its all what ifs and Pat was a great rider(99% of the time). From memory I recall horse like Deep Sensation and Morley St over the jumps. If they hit the front too soon they stopped racing
Greville Starkey, Pat Eddery & Walter Swinburn. 3 great jockeys all involved in the story of the mighty brave & all of them sadly no longer with us. RIP Grev, Pat & Walter & thanks for the memories.
well said all sadly missed.
When you take this ride into consideration, you cannot call Starkey a great. It was a great tragedy. Whether it was corruption or incompetence is not important to me. It was absolutely dreadful. Still painful in 2021.
RIP all of them.
@@nedlambton6602 All jockeys have their bad days whether it be Starkey,Eddery, Carson, Cauthen or Swinburn the lot.
I’m 86 and Dancing Braves Arc win against about 11 group 1 winners is the best performance of any race I’ve been fortunate to watch
It still hurts me watching this I was only 16 at the time absolutely loved Dancing Brave
@@kevincheadle5366 same 16, I did back west tip in the grand national and did expect to back the derby winner to! Also had sharood and the French horse Arokar each way, but they didn’t do anything
"Hurt" is right, and I feel the same. Am now 70. And it still hurts.
It most certainly did not hurt when one was "on" Sharastani
Great horse, so sad he never won the Derby. He will always be one of my favourites.
Would have won with pat in the saddle!
@@dougreed2257 For sure, Starkey was too confident and held him up too much.
Best horse ever!
He did win the derby. It was his jockey who lost it
Every time I watch this race I am in awe of Dancing Brave - ridden like a non-stayer by Starkey (of course at this stage of his career they couldn't be sure he would get the mile and a half) and then having a rough passage the horse still almost won, and the acceleration in those final 2 furlongs still sends shivers down my spine. Sharastani, a good horse in his own right, only ever glimpsed a disappearing backside of Dancing Brave from there onwards in their careers. Frankel was amazing, but for me, in 50 years watching Racing, this horse was the best I ever saw.
Absolutely spot on, another 10mtrs and he would have won
The night before the derby Starkey was asked if his horse would stay the trip and said he would stay the ascot gold cup so he could not have ridden the horse like a non stayer
Tears 😭 So Brave 🐎GRH Walter A Great Ride 🐎
Dancing Brave Past over 17Horses in the Last 3 Furlong My Goodness What a Horse he Was i Keep looking back at this Race over and over
Thank Starkey. He blew it. Not the brave
@@DavidChesler-e7o The horse had never won at or even run at 1m4f and so was ridden to get the trip and in another year and with a smaller field he would have won.
Dancing Brave won the Craven and 2,000 Guineas prior to the Derby, both at a mile, whereas Shahrastani won the Sandown Classic Trial and the Dante Stakes, both more recognised as a Derby trial at 1m2f and so was ridden up with the pace as if he would get the trip. Shahrastani was also by Nijinsky, a Derby, Irish Derby, King George and even a St Ledger winner.
There were 17 runners in this 1986 Derby, meaning when Dancing Brave was held up and ridden to get the trip, he was having to come wide and around the outside of 16 rivals and made his run initially so wide and so far up the camber due to the field size.
@jcartist835 not as good a turn of foot than trempolino
@@DavidChesler-e7oDB came down the hill like a supermarket trolley. That and the slow early pace meant the front runners didn't quite tire enough.
@@StephenSmall-sf5umHis 2 to 1f split was something like 10.3 seconds, I don't think Trempolino was that quick.
Fantastic commentary from Graham Goode...
"But oh, so much to do!" People forget that commentary isn't scripted and that was just one of those perfect lines that said everything.
Also he said as clever enough to concentrate on dancing brave even when at back of field some still doing look for the favourite
One of GG's greatest commentaries.
R.I.P. Walter Swinburn, such a gifted jockey
My mate had £100 at 33's, £100 at 16's and another £100 at 6's on the day on Shahrastani, I'll never forget the look of anguish on his face during that final furlong... He was lucky that day and history would prove the best horse lost, but Shahrastani was a very good horse on his day, he was very impressive in the Irish Derby and if I remember started favourite when they next met for the rematch in the K.George.
+Matthew Kerr; wow that was a lot of money back then!
I had been backing Shahrastani for weeks before the race. Not quite as much as that but I was screaming for the winning post all the way down that final furlong.
I was left £5000 in an old aunty's will I helped her every winter she lived in the sticks and I did her shopping every week I didn't exspect nor wanted anything
So I got 25/1 very early reference point bloody hell
I bought a house with winnings
I have watched racing for 40 years and have never seen a horse has good as dancing brave
Not in top 5
No horse has ever had more charisma, more star power, more sheer superstar appeal.
I agree with you!!!
Sharastani
Alright! Keep making , great comments!!!
My favourite racehorse of all time, dancing brave was a absolute machine of a horse, his turn of foot was unbelievable, saw this race millions of times and each time a think dancing brave was going to catch shahrastini, jockey gave him to much to do, greatest ever,,
He didn't have the quickest turn of foot
Dancing Brave took forever to get organised and also looked to get unbalanced around Tottenham corner. It wasn’t all Starkeys fault from the footage.
The Best. Even though he was second.
I honestly don't think he acted around Tattenham,he looked so unbalanced,and also, watch Mashkour,which incidently put up the fasted time in the final furlong,Dancing Brave shot past him like a bullet,but Mashkour was actually catching him in the final furlong,it was a case of Shahrastani acting on the track,and sadly Dancing Brave not.
He was all over the place, coming in to the straight, take nothing away from Shahrastani though, he was a top drawer colt in his own right, but DB is the the best colt I've seen.
Absolutely true, machine of a horse, dancing brave was the best ever
Yeah.. nest ho4se on thd day won
Plus swinburn won 3 derbys..starkey as me dad said couldnt ride a clothes horse
The most powerful stretch drive ever scene on a course of all time from Dancing Brave no horse in history had that much power as a 3yo ust imagine if he ran at 4.
RIP Pat.
Although his closing run failed to catch Shahrastani in the 1986 Derby Stakes, Dancing Brave turned in one of the fastest closing furlongs in the race’s history, having been clocked at 10.3 seconds for the final 220 yards.
Dancing Brave ran the final furlong faster than any sprinter did that season.
Thats why he,s easily the greatest!
Dancing Brave nearly doing a Scurlogue Champ on the entire field there.
Nijinsky finished just äs fast, and He won too
best horse best jockey greville
Just imagine him over 5f, Dayjur speed
Its So Painful to watch...Greville couldn't settle him.. "" oh so much to do "".. What an astounding understatement... Dancing Brave's Greatness will be judged on many things.. But for me, any Horse fast enough to win the 2000 Guineas.. Then Defeat older horses in the Greatest race, the Arc , has to be considered Great.. Not Sea Bird, Frankel, Ribot, The Brigadier, or Mill Reef did that...And to think the Horse would have barely been a 3 Yr old when running in the Derby.. With todays Guineas being run in late May now, Dancing Brave would have won his Guineas as a 2 Yr old.. That's Greatness for me..
Even all these years later cant believe the Brave didn't get there.Without doubt the best I have seen.
I'm not sure if the Brave could have beaten Seabird. I wouldn't like to bet on that mythical match up either way.
Can't believe to this day The bookies still had sharastani favourite in the king George.When pat and the brave swooped past the whole bookies I was in erupted. Everyone had backed him. If I remember shadari came 2nd .
Wow! What a race horse! He made up nearly 28 lengths in the final 3 furlongs. You just don't see that happen. Finest distance specialist ever to set foot on a European race track. Frankel was not as complete a racehorse as was the great Dancing Brave.
Jackie Dyson I never seen in my life a more impressive series of wins than those of Dancing Brave in the Eclipse, King George and the Arc. I am always impressed by the the comment ".. but owe soo much to do.. " when it is clear that Dancing Brave is the Best but does not have the chance to prove this.
Gordon stakes at Goodwood after the Derby greville Starkey did ride dancing brave after the Derby
Mill reef was the best Derby winner by a long shot class
The amount of times i`ve watched this,"The Brave" will rollock home to win one time.
A phenomenal performance by DB, it’s odd but this elevated him more in defeat than in victory, can’t say that about many races.
Every time I watch it I just keep expecting him to get there but oh so much to do
I backed sharastani here , was gutted when he was only 4th in king george, he wasnt right that day sweated profusely, ran a lot better in the Arc but dancing brave was obviously a superstar tho ......
Won a £10 free straight forecast bet with the Daily Mirror and picked Sharastani to finish 1st and Dancing brave 2nd, won quite a bit of money that day.
I still think Dancing Brave is going to win!
It would have done if Starkey hadn't had him last around Tattenham Corner!
Will give you a million to one he doesn't
Worse Derby ride ever
Brings a tear
@@alistairhartley2988 always does me as well. He never rode for guy harwood again.
Oh dear Greville - the story is the DB covered the last furlong in almost the same time as the winner of the six furlongs sprint
the actual fastest finisher in the Derby for the last Furlong is Sir Ivor in 1968. D.B.s run was from 3. and a 1/2 furlongs out. so his finish was more of a sustained run rather than the blinding speed that Sir Ivor showed. Not altogether certain that he was as unlucky as is thought the way the race was run i.e slow pace. winning time was 2.37 over Six seconds above the record. . He was a brilliant horse from then on esp. in the Arc.
It annoys me that so many racing fans tend to forget how great a ride Walter Swinburn gave Sharastani, too busy slagging off poor Greville Starkey who didn't give Dancing Brave as bad a ride as people say, it all came down to one thing - Walter Swinburn's push for home at exactly the right time, if he had left it any later to kick on then DB would have won and Greville would have been hailed a hero for timing his run to perfection, as I've said it all came down to a brilliant ride Swinburn gave the winner, the unfair criticism of Greville probably hurt him more than we'll ever know
@tony McGrath Greville Starkey said that Dancing Brave was "bombproof" over a mile and a half. If this was the case he should NEVER have had the horse so far back. Terrible ride, plain and simple.
Are you serious @tonymcgrath700 ? Wake up and smell the coffee🙈 Dancing Brave was the best horse in the race. As long as the jockey had Dancing Brave in and around the first 3 with 2 furlongs left to race, there was no doubt whatsoever who would win. Swinburn gave his horse a brilliant ride, no one doubts that, but Starkey's performance "on that day", was abysmal!!!
@@KryptonitetoallBSGreville has gone on record saying Dancing Brave didn't handle Tattenham corner, firstly Greville Starkey never had the luxury of knowing whether he would stay 1m 4f, if he had been up with the pace like you say do you believe he would have had the same speed he showed when coming from the back like he did? he may well have been outbattled and outstayed by a underated Derby winner in Sharastani, if the race was half a furlong more then Sharastani still wins the race. When people say DB's finish was so fast then what do they expect when they walked the first mile until quick thinking Walter knew he had to go for home early in the straight to stand any chance of winning, he was never going to get caught after the slow early pace
@@tonymcgrath700 You're in denial mate. You're alone thinking that Dancing Brave wasn't the best horse in the race. Starkey was a professional jockey. Given one of the greatest horses of all time he should have easily won the race as Pat Eddery did in the King George.
The best way to make sure you will not win an Epsom Derby is to be out the back at Tattenham Corner. I'm afraid Greville (RIP) made a complete and utter horlicks of things.
Every time I watch this I still think dancing brave is going to catch him. Maybe the best second place ever?
Dancing braves 2 defeats were going left handed. Only Two times he ran on left handed tracks. He didnt handle the turns and undulations at epsom either.
I was there and it was so deflating as Dancing Brave was regarded as the outstanding horse of his Generation. It was felt that Starkey left him too much to do but there were concerns about his stamina of the twelve furlongs of Epsom. Watching it again maybe that's harsh but Starkey was replaced by Pat Eddery for the Arc which he won using similar tactics.
RIP Greville Starkey, but it was his fault Dancing Brave didn't win. Well done Shahrastani and Walter Swinburn ( I was lucky to see them win the Irish Derby the same year and get Walter's autograph afterwards...he was a gentleman, RIP).
Watching this back, as has been noted by others, I think that Dancing Brave did not pick up immediately when Greville Starkey asked him to coming round Tattenham Corner, at the 3 furlong marker. This was probaby due to the course undulations of Epsom. Those critical lost lengths I think cost him the race unfortunately. So I am not so sure it is fair to criticise Greville if the horse did not respond as he was expected to. If you watch closely, it took an age before DB reached top gear and when he finally did, he fairly flew past the others but just just missed out on catching Sharastani. So I would say the tricky Epsom Downs beat him more than anything else the jockey could have done. Still a fanatatic finish to the race even if the best horse lost.
Starkey was hopeless sat at back tattenem corner disgracefull ride
One point that is invariably missed is how DB drifted from a straight line in the last furlong while Sharhrastani kept on straight. If only DB had run striaght from the 1f pole he would have won.
A great horse and a great race as well too.
Superb commentary
It still hurts to watch!
If I remember correctly Dancing Brave was reported slightly injured 5 days before the race and drifted to 11/2 ante post. Had a big bet by my standards and doubled up with Midway Lady in The Oaks.
Got my money back in the following months King George.
Without doubt my favourite racehorse.
Dancing Brave, what a horse
It doesn't matter that he was 2nd,'cause everyone knows it was Starkey's exaggerated waiting tactics that cost DB an easy Derby victory,and history shows that the 1986 Arc was probably one of the hottest races of the century.....Dancing Brave was ridden by Pat Eddery and he ran further than any other horse in the race, yet still came storming home on the out side to win cosily.....setting new record for The Arc in the process.
Oh dear, but what a turn of speed. Ok, we can blame Starkey, DB having some awkwardness with the course perhaps, and give credit to Swinburne
The irony of GG at 2.40 stating 3FL out dancing brave is in I known territory !
That’s key to why he was held up ive seen harwood say this .had to be held up and and such a slow race and tracked fcked for me starkey not to blame
Apparently, I skipped classes then. Does the year authenticate me?
Greville Starkey said that Dancing Brave wasn't travelling well early on. He only needed to have had him a little nearer the middle of the field turning Tattenham Corner to have won easily.
Heartbreaking 😫
Dancing Brave losing was the story but looking back, watch Mashkour and Steve Cauthen, troubled passage and flew into third. Not sure what happened to that horse after this.
If starky had bee 2 lenghts nearer at the 3 furlong pole he would have won it easy.A travesty.My favourit horse of all time and ive seen the best.He won over all distances.The ark was brilliant.Its a shame he didnt do that well at stud,though did produce a derby winner so not all bad.
No matter how many times you watch this it's impossible to see where Dancing Brave comes from. No horse is capable of that.
poor old Grev--worst ride ever on the greatest horse ever
Eddery rode Dancing Brave exactly the same way in that year's Arc and won.
Redemption in the King George. Then magnificent in the Arc
Wonderful Race !
Still can’t believe Dancing Brave did not win!!
Sorry Sunburst 75 l cant agree with your comments about Greville to my mind Dancing Brave just wasnt suited to Epsom and l it was a miracle he came second with the amount of ground he made up was unbelievable.
but he won it duhhh
Best racehorse off all time!
But ooohhh so much to do,what a commenter Grahame Goode was.
After 38 years my opinion still no change if Starkey position Dancing Brave better let alone close to the pace then probably will win the Derby. So Starkey always is the one for taking the responsibility. And glad he got kick off from Prince's horses. Mind you nothing personal.
THE Fastest final furlong recorded by any horse in the Derby was by Dancing Brave and somewhat tragically he still was denied the win because of a terrible terrible ride from Starkey
@WESSERPARAQUAT yeah but he didn't win
@@StephenSmall-sf5um I'm going to buy a racehorse going to call it Dunkel Heap :)))))
@@WESSERPARAQUAT you do that
Oh, Greville.......
The brave is imortal cause no horse will be ever as good x
I am not an avid watcher of great group 1 horses but for me, Dancing Brave is the class horse , only matched by Galileo and Sea The Stars, who were bettered by the best horse in history, Frankel.
Wise up Russell. Have you ever heard of seabird?
I agree . When you think of it k Abdulla has probably had the best horses of all time with frankel and dancing brave Also zafonic was another who should have been greater .
Dancing Brave an awesome horse, Frankel a great miler but.................never forget that Brigadier Gerard only got beat when giving 11 pounds to the '72 Derby Winner Roberto, he then reappeared in the QE2 and won easily smashing the track record and.......he beat two subsequent Arc de Triomphe winners in Mill Reef '71 and Rheingold '73......no other horse EVER managed that !
I absolutely concur...Brigadier Gerard..'The' greatest racehorse I have ever witnessed bar none - outstanding!
Having watched the race again it's clear Dancing Brave is struggling from the five furlong pole. This isn't Pat Eddery's debatable ride on El Gran Senor in the 1984 Derby where he may have blown it. Eddery had Dancing Brave the same distance back in the Arc as Starkey did here and nearer to the finish. The truth is that while Dancing Brave picked up quickly in the Arc he didn't pick up quickly here. Probably him not handling Epsom and not all horses do handle it. Dubai Millennium won nine races from ten and his only defeat was a ninth in the Derby.
Great Post.. I often watch the famous Arc victory and wonder did the brave get Eddery out of trouble and Epsom get Starkey into trouble..
Great Horse tremendous closer how does he rank with Frankel
both very similiar. and both would have been champion sprinters as well.
Over 8 and 10 furlongs Frankel wins and over 12 furlongs Dancing Brave would win
@@DavidS-zq8tz over a mile it would be close...over 10f and 12f The Brave toys with Frankel...too much finishing kick and Frankel never beat anythng anywhere Dancing Braves quality...
@@jasonfox4857 Nope, over 10f Frankel wins all day long
@@DavidS-zq8tz i even thnk Pat Eddery was that nice of a guy that he would even give Tom Queally a nice wave as he sauntered past him with 50yds to go!
The Brave, still my favourite horse ever.
At least Starkey never lost the race on purpose unlike today's cheating gangsters.
Never forgive starkey for that ride dancing brave up there in my top 5 along with franker dawn run dessie and of course red rum
You and me both! Pebbles too, great little mare
Dancing Brave was the greatest horse never to have won The Derby.
hello denis looking for footage of horse called
brondesbury from 1982 won 6 races fastest horse i ever saw please help
I remember Brondesbury, he was a flier alright! Sorry to say I don't have any videos of him in action.
Found this one for you :
ruclips.net/video/cIIKu-W5NvY/видео.html
Sorry William, I see now you've already seen and posted on that link.
hello denis thank you for reply
i was big fan of bill o,gorman,s horses
brondesbury was my fav horse still is
the most exciting horse i ever saw
just cannot get any recording,s of this fantastic horse
@@williambeekman5383 have you or any others got any footage of Sublimity winning the Champion Hurdle, every race from the last 30 years in on here, yet type in Sublimity and you cant get anything. He got back from 200/1 to 16's , he was up against the best 3 horses at the time, yet he made them look like donkeys, from 4 furlong out he was never going to lose. I got given him as a tip, me mate had 500ew on at 25/1 , i didnt have that kind of money so had 20ew at 16s and was happy at that.
Dancing. Brave. Is. The. Greatest. Of all time
Dancing Brave had too much to do at Tattengam Corner x but the track didn't suit him x he had his days afterwards x Shahrastani deserved it on the day. x.
To much to do even for super horse
Dancing brave didn't handle the course, the Jockey was not to blame. He was close enough if good enough
I agree with you, Lincoln.
Hr was close enough? What are you two on about? He was stone last at Tattenham, and at least ten lengths back with 2 furlongs to go!
DANCEING BRAVE WAS THE BEST HORSE I SEEN IN 30 YEARS GREVILLE STARKEY GOT SLATED FOR THE WAY HE RODE HIM BUT THAT'S THE WAY HE WAS TOLD TO RIDE HIM I BELIEVE. GREVILLE MISJUDGED HIS RUN ON THE GRAVEYARD THE REST IS HISTORY 🏇🏇
should have lapped them what was allez mlord doing
the end of grevile and guy harwood what a great combo
Watch this race over and over again,,dancing brave was the much better horse,,really poor place to be,,and not a clear run,,plus I think dancing brave responce was not instant,,,made his move about 3 furlongs out,,,he had so much to do,,but didn’t really get him going until 1 1/2 furlongs out,,but came like a train then,,but to much to do,,,it’s like when asked to quicken,,it’s not instant,,but when he does quicken,,it’s breath taking,,,wrong place,,not clear run,,,to much to do,,,bad jocky ship,,,mid field,,he would have won on bridle,,,but what a horse,,as we seen in the arc,,
They don’t come about often,,just a shame this derby was his for the taking,,when we know,he could have won this race by 5L or more,,,,brilliant horse,,,I even bet him that day,,had my money back in the arc though,,r,I,p mighty dancing brave
Needed Lester on him
Nashwan dancing brave.frankel the greatest
To be fair to Grevelle he was working hard on Dancing Brave over half a mile out
Yes, because HE was a poor poor Jockey and placed the horse at the rear!!!
Dancing brave versus sea the stars would have been a race
And you might even throw the stars daughter into the mix😂
Starkey gave him too much to do and with his experience he should of had him closer at 3 f
then he would of won easily
still cant believe what happened so unlucky grevile
Starkey gave this brilliant horse a badly judged race. Eddery later showed him how to do it.
I think it was the best horse ever. Born winner. Just Greville Starkey cocked up in that race. He never rode the horse again and left it to probably the best jockey of his generation Pat Eddery
Actually Greville rode the horse in two more races after the Derby Jeff, the Coral Eclipse and also at Goodwood in his prep race for the Arc.
It’s got to be the worst ride ever on a derby favourite if desert was on it was a certainty greville starkey Nineveh got to ride it again no wonder Mc cririck could’ve won on it
Actually Greville rode the horse in two more races after the Derby John, the Coral Eclipse and also at Goodwood in his prep race for the Arc. You'd be surprised how many people make the same mistake you just did, memories playing tricks after all these years maybe!
Frankel best miler or maybe brigadier Gerard. Dr Fager, must check this horse out
Wrong el gran senor then zafonic
@@StephenSmall-sf5um el Gran senor didn’t run enough times over a mile, I’d say sonic lady was better and Rock of Gibraltar, Zilzal. It was a great guineas, but one great race doesn’t make a great horse. It’s what I’f really, I’f El Gran Senor stuck to mile races and remained injury free notching up several group 1 Mile races he could claim to be an all time great. The same is true with Golden Fleece, impressive in all his pre derby races and the derby itself, but through no fault of his own not being able to run again means he couldn’t prove his greatness.
still run on a Wednesday
Greville Starkey was the blame for Dancing Braves defeat he rode a shocking race thus why he never sat on the wonder horse again they put a real jockey on it with Pat Eddery
RIP Pat godbless
You know shit about shit.
And then Tony McCoy won the arc on him.
Starkey rode him in the Eclipse and was injured for the king George. After that race Pat Eddery became the retained Jockey for Khalid Abdullah. So he rode Dancing Brave in the Arc and the breeders Cup.
It's true though that Starkey gave him a little too much to do. But on a doubtful stayer, saving his speed for the straight was probably the most obvious gameplan.
@@chivasteele Starkey was quoted as saying that Dancing Brave was "bombproof" over a mile and a half when asked did he think the horse would stay. If that's the case he shouldn't have had the horse so far back. Terrible ride......nothing else.
@@chivasteele There is holding it up for Speed and there is holding it up with no chance of winning. Poor ride especially on a track like Epsom.
Shariat best horse on the date
I cant Stop Watching this Race Dancing Brave Still a Top Class Horse need i say More Just Look where he is Coming from To Lose the Race by a Short Head
"But with oh so much to do"
Needed epsom king on him.L P
Sharistani was 130 plus horse. A calabre of horse Frankel never got close to racing.
Greville Starkey was a very good workmanlike jockey, but not a big race one!!! Pat would have won if he'd ridden dancing brave!
I heard that Ladbrokes paid Greville to lose the race.