Dancing Brave 1986 Prix de L Arc de Triomphe Inc Replay Listen to the english fans welcome him back
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- 1st Dancing Brave 2nd Bering 3rd Triptych
5th October 1986 Distance 1m4f Going Firm Course Longchamp
Trainer Guy Harwood Jockey Pat Eddery
Would Dancing Brave have won the Derby with Eddery on him ? I say definitely yes.
100%
Nope would have made difference at that time of his career DB - they thought he wouldn’t stay band had to be held up and the track beat him
He’s remembered more for losing it than if we won, scintillating in defeat. Horse didn’t know he lost
By 20 lengths
Yes
Still gives me goose bumps, in 2024.
Dancing brave machine ❤ greatest horse of all time
I watched this race at least-100 times and it never ever fails to give me goosebumps in the last 2f ….
There’s a reason it’s voted thr best horse race of all time
Only 100 times? XXX
@@moyajanko6642:😂😅 I got passed that number in the 1st 5-6yrs after the Arc. Its just unbelievable the speed he finds & I'm absolutely 100% sure Gary Moore on Bering on the outside must've thought he had it won & did until the Furlong pole then realised he was on to a really bad hiding. Guy Harwood gave a brief interview about 3 hours before the race & said he had Dancing Brave as ready as he could get him & said " He'll win if he's within 2 lengths of the leaders at the 2 furlong pole" but the bookmakers must've missed that brief interview because giving that price I was STUNNED. I thought he'd be closer to Evens maybe 5/4 but because Bering smashed the track record in his previous race the bookies grew balls 😂 BUT the sacks emptied really quickly, the cash sacks.
The masterful Pat Eddery at his brilliant best. One of the best tactical rides ever in a top class race. Kept Dancing Brave out the back, out of trouble and then delivered him to perfection.
But Oaksey commentating said he's to far back but expects Pat to move up gradually but he's tracking Bering so he's still hopeful 😂 Oaksey has been in racing for about 200 YEARS but Pat knew exactly how to ride the race, wide & late using The Braves jaw dropping speed to leave them behind.
@@grav20 : The Wizard Pat Eddery knew how to ride a horse, they all say Pigott was the greatest jockey & why ? Was it because he won so many Derby's or so many classics & G1's ? Pat Eddery came into horseracing way after Pigott who won so many Derby's, Classics & G1's because he was riding all the best horses I.e For Vincent O'brien, Owners Sangster & Magnier. Pat Eddery won 4 Arc's in a row 85 Rainbow Quest, 86 Dancing Brave, 87 Trempelino, 88 Tony Bin 👏👏 Remarkable. R.I.P CHAMP 🙏
A Rolls Royce of a Racehorse and Grevilles Nemesis sadly.
Wow wow absolutely perfect timing
The horse with the best turnof foot i ever saw in my 45years in horseracing.
No that would be golden fleece
@@manuelsammy-lg1vl wrong
Spot on
@@StephenSmall-sf5umpat eddery rode both and said dancing brave was the best he ever rode
@tiffa01 no he stated golden fleece was the best he ever rode
The brilliant dancing brave
Best ever arc ,wonder horse dancing brave
Should've won the Derby but for a shocking ride.
It will always be a shame that the best horse there's ever been, failed to win the Derby.
Best dont be stupid
@@StephenSmall-sf5um He was the best horse I've seen. Frankel was finally rated 2lb better than Dancing Brave by Timeform but didn't win over 1m 4f. For me DB was better. Possibly the likes of Sea Bird, Brigadier Gerard and Sea the Stars are on the same level but even if you don't think DB was the best he was very close to it.
@@davewaldo1218 that's because he wasnt the best
@@StephenSmall-sf5um Only your opinion Stephen! Thousands upon thousands of people disagree. But we are all wrong, and you are right. Learn to concede graciously. You are the same on every post about DB. Go have a lie down and let us worship the brave in our own way! 61 yrs old here, and he is the greatest horse I have ever seen. By a mile Mr Small.......
@@MrMrdonpitbull nope sorry he simply is not
Probably the most star studded field ever in this race.
Pat eddery gave dancing brave the perfect ride a champion jockey 🏇 and masterclass the greatest jockey ever 👏
Was the cameraman on coke
@@stephensmall8601correct
Lester was by far the greatest.
The greatest ever ARC won by the greatest ever horse , he made multiple group 1 and classic winners look like handicapers
Better than Frankel? Dream on
What a fucking horse top class
What a magnificent colt he was.
Best horse Ive ever seen...and Im 62
Frankel was much better
This race featured an all star cast. The winner was undoubtedly the biggest star.
what a horse . if he was within 3 lengths within the last furlong the race was done ,
he was the best thanks for comment
Great horse, great jockey, great race, remember it vividly.
he was the best i have seen
This was the best arc there has ever been and ever will be..English and French Derby winners group 1 winners everywhere..Dancing brave for me was the best mile and halfer there has been.
There were so many 125 plus horses in this.
@michaeldowd5545 There was also a German horse that s cauthen rode called acatenango that had one all 19 races in Germany I know that don't amount to much but at the the time the jockey thought he had a good chance.depth of that race will never be seen again
@darrenbaker6834 would not of beat pentire celebre thee best arc winner after sea bird
Never get bored watching this.
Eddery's a genius.
I hate it when the frame changes when the brave overtakes Bering!
The brave wins going away!
What a freak!
'Eddery's asking for everything"
And Dancing Brave delivers!
Eddery was not a genius in the Epsom when he gave Brave a bad trip.
@@janinelarocco7184 he didnt ride it that day greville starkey rode it!!!
Not sure why someone thought Eddery rode dancing brave in derby .I remember backing sharistani 6/1 I think but lucky greville had a stinker.i could have ridden the beast to victory
Has to be my favourite ever flat race
Still cant believe jow he won the arc in that manner.. hardly any win from were he was positionthat blistering turn of speed over the distance ive never seen before
What a race so many top class horses in this race probably the best arc de triomphe ever
Probably the greatest arc ever
What ahorse and ride
The greatest horse ever no matter what the pundits say the 1986 arc in my opinion the greatest race ever he beat the srongest arc ever look at the horses behind him deby winners past arc winner eddrey had trouble puling hom up i think he would have still one if he was carrying 7lbs extra ehst would of happened to his rattings as for starkey should not had listened to the trainer that day i forgive g starkey
My favourite race ever.
pat was the greatest , rip
Lester
@@jcharles8743Lester was the Greatest Jockey who ever lived no doubt.
Dancing Brave was a mile horse. to start Grenville Starkey rode the perfect race and to what he was told to do Greville Starkey never got over being blamed for the defeat in the Derby
Dont think he was told to box him in on the rails
@@mikedavies9953 never watched the race then??? He was on the outside all the time FFs under orders from harwood to be held up .. he didn’t handle Epsom
@@danielmarshall356 So if he didnt handle epsom how did he end up with the fastest furlong in history , he was cramped for room 3 out thats why he didnt win
@@mikedavies9953 3 furlongs out in the Derby he was on the wide outside. What are you talking about? Watch the race again
@@selfemployedmortgagehub The race i watch see's Starkey give sharastani 20 lengths lead are you telling me Guy Harwood told him to do that? dont talk shite
My all time favourite horse on the flat Greville slept in the Derby, and paid the price but I forgive him he had a bad day, and rode him brilliantly in previous races.
What a turn of foot the brave had
highest rated performance ever
he was the best all class
What a field lots of group 1
Redemption for his BRILLIANT loss in the Epsom.
Simply one of the best!,he suffered a lot of I'll health in retirement and spent his last days in Japan
for me he will be int the top three of all time along with mill reef & Nijinsky
The worst camera work in the greatest ever race
Grenville Starkey was sacked by the owners and trainer, his failure in the Derby personal i think he never got over
That is actually a common misconception as he rode DB twice more . Greville rode DB to victory in his next race the Coral Eclipse but then got injured and Pat took over for the King George. Greville then rode DB again in the select stakes at Goodwood before Pat took the ride in the Arc and the Breeders Cup. Khalid Abdullah wanted Pat for the Arc and it was his decision and Guy Harwood stood up for Greville after the Derby defeat. He continued to be the stable NO 1 jockey for Harwood and rode all the other horses in the yard with Tony Clark as the No 2
I'm still wondering what happened to DB in that Breeders Cup Turf roughly one month later which, I heard, made him mocked and his legacy overlooked by some Americans? Should he simply had never gone there?
The track didn't suite him. I thought it was going to be a mistake. He'd had a hard enough season
Sad day for racing when the lowered Dancing Braves best ever international rating of 141 to 138, just so Frankel could be top, fact is even at 138 he was higher rated than Frankel as a 3 year old 136, Dancing brave never raced as a 4 year old. When you think he was a very late fole he was amazing. Wonder what they will do now Flightline is rated 140...😅 all great horses.
Frankel would not have got within 5 lengths of Dancing Brave over 1.4m
Frankel Not as a 3 yo. Frankel probably as a 4yo.
But the fact is the top 7 or 8 in this are all better than any horse that Frankle raced against.Think about it.
Dancing Brave has always been Timeform 140, always will be. Frankel was 143 as a 3 year old and 147 as a 4 year old.
Dancing Brave might have been capable of better had he raced as a 4 year old, so would plenty of others - but fact is they didn't run at 4. Dancing Brave disappointed final start at 3, so had he raced on may well of run to less than he did at 3. And any horse could be capable of better form than it's actually shown, it's just not in the form book so cannot be rated that way. Dancing Brave beat better horses but not by as far as Frankel.
@@mikedavies9953, and Frankel would have left dancing brave tailed off over a mile and quarter so what's your point?
@@spleeeen4it Haha don't be a tit, Dancing Brave Blitzed Champion Sprinter Green Desert over mile , Frankel never had anywhere near the quality of competition DB had
I was there to witness something astonishing, the finishing speed from Dancing brave was never in any doubt of victory once Pat moved to the outside, I won a whopper that very special day, he should have won the derby easily but the late G. Starkey misjudged the race,
Whenever a jockey decides to ride a horse so far back in the field, he increases the chances of various things happening which might prevent his horse winning. Top jockeys have come a cropper in big races when they were held up at critical points - it happened to the best of them, including Piggott on Nijinsky and Park Top, both in the Arc.
What a disgrace lowering Dancing Braves rating from 141 to 138 just so Frankel can be top rated Dancing Braves would destroy Frankel over 1 and a half mile Dancing Braves. The greatest
6:21
Oaksey "I expect Pat to move up gradually BUT I'm hopeful still" & that's a man who's been in horseracing for about 200 years. Pat Eddery rode him to perfection & rode him to come wide & late. Pat Eddery has been in horseracing for about 10-11 yrs & knows how to ride the horse, he did the same in the King George. Oaksey time to retire, you're BRAINDEAD!!😂
Well done to the cameraman for focusing on dancing brave as he accelerated😂😂😂
What an absolute prat he was! Had a wad on Bering obviously,lol. Still get the shivers watching this awesome horse.
In my opinion the second best flat horse of all time only 1 Better Frankel
The Top Jockey Pat Eddery
even the horses he beat were legends... its so exciting to hear the emotion that this horse evoked, and so sad that these days it hardly ever happens anymore....p.s... great commentators too...
What about sea the stars arc
Still takes the breath away even with lousy camerawork
I would not let this camera man film me on a donkey at Blackpool
He was focussing on bering the French unbeatable horse, 🤔 till Dancing brave left him for dead.
Pat Eddery should of won the Derby on El Gran Senor 2 years earlier rode a bad race which he had admitted to.
Best ever
i agree the best
The fact is Hukum 2023 king George winner might not make the top 10 in this
You're a star for posting this. I had it on VHS for years til my flat got robbed..cleaned out! I had some great races on tape. Warning's comeback race after he got sick, Mtoto lots of his.
My favourite and got friendly with Pat.
Harwood and Starkey combo is the most underrated in horse racing history, two fingers nuff said
Pat was the better jockey
I was 21 and loved The Brave. I knew he was a great horse and was the best I've seen apart from Frankel although he never ran over 1 mile 4. I saw in the local paper the coach company was doing a trip to the arc. I was going to book but didn't get anyone to ho with me so i didn't bother. My biggest regret. Although i did eventually go to see Authorised run. Sadly he didn't win.
Same here!
He was the most unlucky loser of the derby but when you see el gran senor cantering into the last furlong it's impossible to think he'd lose
Starkey is God
i first watched this 6 months ago im in nz, first of all what a race ive never seen a finish spread out like that,as for dancing brave he was flying,hes up there with frankel winx and black cavier etc.hes a champion.
Yes he was a brilliant horse 🐴 😊
for me he was the best i have seen thank you for comment
Our King 👑 Lester Would Have Obliged 👌
thanks for comment
I would have won on it