After investigating the bow there were marks on the riser of the compound. After discussion with Steve I agree this was the cause and to now believe there is nothing wrong with those arrows and the arrow in question did in fact fall off the rest at the time of release causing it. Issue was I got caught up with everyone’s opinions. Lesson learned for next time. Great video steve
Saw this exact thing happen a few months ago at a field archery event. Young cub shooter had a blade rest on his bow and the arrow fell off the blade. I spotted it too late and was trying to tell him to let down as he shot it. Arrow snapped basically in the same place where Steve is indicating. Quite scary to witness!
I destroyed one of my arrow (string slapped it) due to large groove knock on small string. I quickly unravel my serving, added 4 line of dental floss to it and re-wrap the serving. I continue shooting
Morning mate, about 12 months ago my dad had a similar issue with his black Eagle arrows. He had been shooting the Junxing M129 for 12 months shooting the same arrows at around 40 metres. I then purchased the Obsession HB33 for his bday, We set it to the same poundage as his Junxing but obviously it was more responsive and sent more energy through the arrow and on the first shot he Had an arrow brake about 4 inches from the nock. He used whisker biscuit rest so it wasn’t the issue, we then checked all his arrows and they had little nics and scratches down the shafts. So we retired thenm and I gave him a set of my Victory VForce elites. We now check all our gear before the start of each session. You can never be too careful.
I had one explode when i first got back into archery. I believe they had gotten damaged from contact with other arrows while shooting groups, which feel great, but i no longer do that. i do not know how others get away with it, but i do not shoot groups any longer and if i ever shoot carbons i do flex test them now. I will add that I would not have thought about the arrows hitting the riser as they were released. Just like I would not have though about my arrows getting damaged from contact at the target. It is a shame when folks do not listen to others so they/we can learn from people that know and are willing to share. Another interesting video. Thank you for your time to help us.
My friend that started me on archery explained spine and all that but never even bothered to tell me about flex testing arrows before shooting them, thank you for the video.👍
You do an amazing job Steven Han. I have purchased from you for years & always will. When I ask for help or advice, you always are there and put me on the right track for tighter groups. Well-done Steve
I probably always say my best guess - You never really know - most times you are right. But when I went upto 56# my 500 spine arrows were still to stiff and the 600 to weak. It is really hard when people are outside the norm - So if a person has a long draw they will have extra poundage and short draw less energy. which is always good if people let you know what worked.
Always pay attention to your arrows. I had an arrow explode on me because it was damaged. Since then i always flex my arrows and found more the often faulty arrows because of creaking BEFORE i shot them! Once i had an arrow flying wonky after a hard hit on the 3 D course. I put it on a spinetester and it showed 15 lbs weaker then before, but no creaking sounds. I cut it in half alongside the shaft and there was a delamination of the carbon to the inside. From the outside it looked perfectly fine. I also change nocks after hard hits. I had a new bow blew up because the nock broke. It was the third shot this bow made!
I just recently had a lesson where they mentioned that the arrows hitting another arrow on the target, or, if you don't hit the target but might hit the surround( ours are made with wood) that may cause some compression fractures and flexing the arrows after an impact like that is to check that they are still ok to shoot. If you here cracking/splintering when flexing they are done. So not always the bow.
I like compound as well, but I am trying recurve for two main reasons. I want the challenge of learning how to shoot a different style. Also, as I have gotten older I have become much more aware of a potential misfire. I am plenty strong to draw my bow, but I just worry about it so it makes it uncomfortable for me to shoot and not as enjoyable as it once was. You have more control over a recurve and there is no question in my mind that a recurve bow is safer to shoot. Especially if you have a dog who likes to be in the yard with you while you practice !!
7:10 I had a blade rest and an arrow drop off to the left and “luckily” only scraped the back of my hand as it was released. The scar reminds me not to use blade rests lol.
Yeah my spines were 350 at 31" "but", I cut mine down to 27" because my DL is only 26". It works for me. P.S. if i lived in Australia "near" Addellaid, then i would most certainly pay for at least one if not several classes. Thanks Steven ....🏹🤠👍
When I practice my archery, I shoot an end of 5 arrows each at their own separate target dot, never all at the same dot. This minimizes damage to my carbon fiber shafts and makes them safer in my opinion.
Had an arrow explode from my recurve on sunday (cheap aliexpress ones). was a truely terrifying experience & thankfully i (& my bow) were unharmed. So the first thing i did was order some Arrows from your shop; still waiting for them to ship; really hope it's soon as the old arrows are now in the bin; Where they belong.
For what it is worth, as I am not a hunter, I do not need the arrows to fly "very fast". After a lot of research I chose to move from a drop-away to a whisker biscuit. Fewer moving parts, less to go wrong. I have experienced exactly what Steven said with regard to the arrow falling off the drop-away rest blade and being damaged upon release. In the 3 times that happened with my failing to catch the issue before release - all broke about 5" from the nock. Not on the first shot when that happened but soon after. The loss of 3-6 fps from my arrow speed is not worth the potential problems.
Hi Steven. What arrows were they? You said you were going to say but never did. It would be interesting to know. My guess is a Chinese brand. I shoot Skylon and have some 3.2mm from Elong/Nik'a for testing and find them great. I have Radius, Performas and Paragons all from you.
I shoot a 2012 bear leagion with 480 and 400 at 50 lb. 27 draw. My arrows stay good unless i miss target and it goes thru cardboard which hurts shaft. Bloodline arrows
When I was 12-13 I was shooting a 26 ish pound bow and I had some carbon impact arrow and when I released the arrow snapped in half one half went away and one half went right through my arm and I had to get surgery quit archery a couple months after that.
That would hurt. Lucky all the years I have been selling I have only had one person put an arrow through their arm. It was a 70# Oneida the guy wanted wood arrows because they are cheap. I said you will put that through your arm. He said no he knows better. That day he put one through his arm. When he brought the arrows he had mates and his mates said the archery bloke told you and you did not listen. Graphlex had the problem they were so strong even when damaged they looked ok. Im not sure how you get over an arrow through your arm. It scared me when Logans broke, then I was scared offering more arrows. Once you shoot and build the confidence back I guess.
@@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale i have gained the confidence to start shooting again actually i’m a lot older now i’m not afraid of it happening again but i have acquired target panic severely but it’s better then not being able to shoot and everyone said there must’ve been a crack in the arrow they couldn’t work out any other reason but yeah it did hurt i had to get surgery because there was carbon inside my arm and it had to be removed but i try to forget about 99% of the time i forget i even have the scar
over 40 years and i have never prebent an arrow first and i never once broke one either also you never shoot 400 spine arrows out of 20 or 26 lbs you need 50+ lbs for 400 spine arrows
I had an arrow break (big brand) and it was my fault. String serving was too thin, I took apart the serving and added 2 strands of dental floss and re wrap the serving. Arrow nock came off the serving at release and string slap the arrow.
Consumer law mostly favours the consumer in Australia. It’s led to an infuriatingly entitled buying public who are for the most part largely ignorant and unable to see logic, reason or their way to common decency in their dealings with retail workers just trying to get through the day.
I’m betting 99% of arrow’s breaking is because they became DAMAGED. A small fracture in the carbon weakens that structure. When the energy of the bow loads up stress it’s gonna to get weaker at the damaged spot each shot. Or it may break at the first shot after being damaged. ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE PEOPLE !
In your opinion Steve, with a 60lb bow, what spine have you had most success with. I understand factory specifications and I nearly 100% go on the heavy side, but I'm thinking the opposite now??
I don't have the exact model numbers to hand, but both the sight and stabilisers are made by Topoint. I *think* the stabilisers are the "633" model, but don't quote me on that.
The Power transfer is a HUGE problem considering the Powers were already transfered when season 1 ended. Also in another season Adam risks using black power coin
May Allah Bless you and family. You are a very sincere man . Your comments are clearly honest and true . How lucky is Australia to have such a citizen that are able to contribute significantly to Australian Archery and the world should a lot of archery knowledge from this man named Steven Hans….Thank you
Arrows breaking just a few inches in front of the vanes. My guess is faulty nocks or nocks requiring double clicks when inserted. So what happens is the arrow comes off the string prematurely at release, and the string slices thru the arrow from the side of the arrow.
When I started with alloys I would go through a dozen a month. I think if I still shoot alloys I would got through a dozen a week. The strength of carbon is amazing. Carbon so much cheaper.
Ive been shooting for 50 yrs snd never had an arrow explode upon firing. I bang the crap out of them too. I don’t know how Steven shoots so many arrows at the same spot. Id go nock poor if I did that. Carbons are great for durability. But even way back when xx75 and game getters before that the arrows were good. I shot so many aluminum arrows with dents and creases in them its not funny. Never had a problem. I had some pretty bad bows then too. But arrows were never an issue.
Ive broken plenty of carbon arrows, but never from the actual bow itself.. They all hit something hard on the backstop and cracked.. Toss em in the bin and move on.. Carbon arrows take enormous punishment, they would never break under normal shooting.. Always user error..
Like gold tip and warrior tell me- flex it first. I fkex mine. After a knick with another arrow, i flex my shaft. Its easy ans so simple. Even i can do it. I shoot 55ish pounds with 400 spine. 28".
Hey, I love your takes and like the videos. Is there any way you could please please shorten your videos? This is a great topic and valuable info, but I really think of you rewatch it, and organize/script your thoughts, you could say the exact same thing in about 7 to 10 minutes. Thanks, Kyle
I’ve never heard about a “warning” to flex every arrow out of the package, you first said the reason why the arrows were breaking was because of form issues but then you came back and said the arrow was dropping between the rest and then hitting the riser…which one is it? Click bait for views.
It's written on many carbon arrows from major brands. All gold tip arrows say "flex it first" with their dedicated safety logo right on it. Having the arrow drop off of the rest is a form issue.
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After investigating the bow there were marks on the riser of the compound.
After discussion with Steve I agree this was the cause and to now believe there is nothing wrong with those arrows and the arrow in question did in fact fall off the rest at the time of release causing it.
Issue was I got caught up with everyone’s opinions. Lesson learned for next time. Great video steve
That was my best shooting since in 5 months. So really like arrows. lol
Saw this exact thing happen a few months ago at a field archery event. Young cub shooter had a blade rest on his bow and the arrow fell off the blade. I spotted it too late and was trying to tell him to let down as he shot it. Arrow snapped basically in the same place where Steve is indicating. Quite scary to witness!
Warranty on arrows, haha. As if.
I destroyed one of my arrow (string slapped it) due to large groove knock on small string.
I quickly unravel my serving, added 4 line of dental floss to it and re-wrap the serving. I continue shooting
Morning mate, about 12 months ago my dad had a similar issue with his black Eagle arrows. He had been shooting the Junxing M129 for 12 months shooting the same arrows at around 40 metres. I then purchased the Obsession HB33 for his bday, We set it to the same poundage as his Junxing but obviously it was more responsive and sent more energy through the arrow and on the first shot he Had an arrow brake about 4 inches from the nock. He used whisker biscuit rest so it wasn’t the issue, we then checked all his arrows and they had little nics and scratches down the shafts. So we retired thenm and I gave him a set of my Victory VForce elites. We now check all our gear before the start of each session. You can never be too careful.
I had one explode when i first got back into archery. I believe they had gotten damaged from contact with other arrows while shooting groups, which feel great, but i no longer do that. i do not know how others get away with it, but i do not shoot groups any longer and if i ever shoot carbons i do flex test them now.
I will add that I would not have thought about the arrows hitting the riser as they were released. Just like I would not have though about my arrows getting damaged from contact at the target.
It is a shame when folks do not listen to others so they/we can learn from people that know and are willing to share.
Another interesting video. Thank you for your time to help us.
My friend that started me on archery explained spine and all that but never even bothered to tell me about flex testing arrows before shooting them, thank you for the video.👍
A warranty on arrows i wish. THAT GUY WAS CRAZY
huh? everything (except for art and used items) must have a 2-year warranty at least here..
You do an amazing job Steven Han.
I have purchased from you for years & always will. When I ask for help or advice, you always are there and put me on the right track for tighter groups.
Well-done Steve
I probably always say my best guess - You never really know - most times you are right. But when I went upto 56# my 500 spine arrows were still to stiff and the 600 to weak. It is really hard when people are outside the norm - So if a person has a long draw they will have extra poundage and short draw less energy. which is always good if people let you know what worked.
Always pay attention to your arrows. I had an arrow explode on me because it was damaged. Since then i always flex my arrows and found more the often faulty arrows because of creaking BEFORE i shot them! Once i had an arrow flying wonky after a hard hit on the 3 D course. I put it on a spinetester and it showed 15 lbs weaker then before, but no creaking sounds. I cut it in half alongside the shaft and there was a delamination of the carbon to the inside. From the outside it looked perfectly fine. I also change nocks after hard hits. I had a new bow blew up because the nock broke. It was the third shot this bow made!
I always check the nocks, as well as bending the arrows before shooting. Every time. And Especially after a solid contact with a hard surface.
I just recently had a lesson where they mentioned that the arrows hitting another arrow on the target, or, if you don't hit the target but might hit the surround( ours are made with wood) that may cause some compression fractures and flexing the arrows after an impact like that is to check that they are still ok to shoot. If you here cracking/splintering when flexing they are done. So not always the bow.
I like compound as well, but I am trying recurve for two main reasons. I want the challenge of learning how to shoot a different style. Also, as I have gotten older I have become much more aware of a potential misfire. I am plenty strong to draw my bow, but I just worry about it so it makes it uncomfortable for me to shoot and not as enjoyable as it once was. You have more control over a recurve and there is no question in my mind that a recurve bow is safer to shoot. Especially if you have a dog who likes to be in the yard with you while you practice !!
7:10 I had a blade rest and an arrow drop off to the left and “luckily” only scraped the back of my hand as it was released. The scar reminds me not to use blade rests lol.
Yeah my spines were 350 at 31" "but", I cut mine down to 27" because my DL is only 26". It works for me. P.S. if i lived in Australia "near" Addellaid, then i would most certainly pay for at least one if not several classes. Thanks Steven ....🏹🤠👍
I was going to say, 2000 spine on a bow seems quite a bit, idk if its different between recurve and compound tho
When I practice my archery, I shoot an end of 5 arrows each at their own separate target dot, never all at the same dot. This minimizes damage to my carbon fiber shafts and makes them safer in my opinion.
I do the same, I used to do grouping, but after half a dozen Robin Hood, I decided to stop grouping and aim at different dots.
Had an arrow explode from my recurve on sunday (cheap aliexpress ones). was a truely terrifying experience & thankfully i (& my bow) were unharmed.
So the first thing i did was order some Arrows from your shop; still waiting for them to ship; really hope it's soon as the old arrows are now in the bin; Where they belong.
For what it is worth, as I am not a hunter, I do not need the arrows to fly "very fast". After a lot of research I chose to move from a drop-away to a whisker biscuit. Fewer moving parts, less to go wrong. I have experienced exactly what Steven said with regard to the arrow falling off the drop-away rest blade and being damaged upon release. In the 3 times that happened with my failing to catch the issue before release - all broke about 5" from the nock. Not on the first shot when that happened but soon after. The loss of 3-6 fps from my arrow speed is not worth the potential problems.
Good shooting mate! Seems you have alot of warranty issues at your shop.. that's just too bad. Cheers ❤
Nice shooting Steven. Keep on rehabilitating yourself.
Hi Steven. What arrows were they? You said you were going to say but never did. It would be interesting to know. My guess is a Chinese brand. I shoot Skylon and have some 3.2mm from Elong/Nik'a for testing and find them great. I have Radius, Performas and Paragons all from you.
Something I’ve wondered about is if you can’t see where the arrow hits at 18 meters how do you see when the pin is on the target
The never ending story with this guy. That was painful
Like your info you are great can you please tell me what stabilizers you are using on that bow.
Nice shooting Steve.
I shoot a 2012 bear leagion with 480 and 400 at 50 lb. 27 draw. My arrows stay good unless i miss target and it goes thru cardboard which hurts shaft. Bloodline arrows
When I was 12-13 I was shooting a 26 ish pound bow and I had some carbon impact arrow and when I released the arrow snapped in half one half went away and one half went right through my arm and I had to get surgery quit archery a couple months after that.
That would hurt. Lucky all the years I have been selling I have only had one person put an arrow through their arm. It was a 70# Oneida the guy wanted wood arrows because they are cheap. I said you will put that through your arm. He said no he knows better. That day he put one through his arm. When he brought the arrows he had mates and his mates said the archery bloke told you and you did not listen.
Graphlex had the problem they were so strong even when damaged they looked ok.
Im not sure how you get over an arrow through your arm. It scared me when Logans broke, then I was scared offering more arrows. Once you shoot and build the confidence back I guess.
@@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale i have gained the confidence to start shooting again actually i’m a lot older now i’m not afraid of it happening again but i have acquired target panic severely but it’s better then not being able to shoot and everyone said there must’ve been a crack in the arrow they couldn’t work out any other reason but yeah it did hurt i had to get surgery because there was carbon inside my arm and it had to be removed but i try to forget about 99% of the time i forget i even have the scar
I've always argued that arrows are a consumable item. They might last for a couple of months, or years.
over 40 years and i have never prebent an arrow first and i never once broke one either also you never shoot 400 spine arrows out of 20 or 26 lbs you need 50+ lbs for 400 spine arrows
I shoot 350 victory's and they are tough hit rocks and they still survive. Most arrows break because of storage accidents
I had an arrow break (big brand) and it was my fault. String serving was too thin, I took apart the serving and added 2 strands of dental floss and re wrap the serving.
Arrow nock came off the serving at release and string slap the arrow.
Consumer law mostly favours the consumer in Australia. It’s led to an infuriatingly entitled buying public who are for the most part largely ignorant and unable to see logic, reason or their way to common decency in their dealings with retail workers just trying to get through the day.
I’m betting 99% of arrow’s breaking is because they became DAMAGED. A small fracture in the carbon weakens that structure. When the energy of the bow loads up stress it’s gonna to get weaker at the damaged spot each shot. Or it may break at the first shot after being damaged. ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE PEOPLE !
keep up the recovery!
Dose t look like there’s anything wrong with those arrow v good groups
One aluminium arrow of me broke in the bow because it stucked somehow in the finger sling I wore at that time.
In your opinion Steve, with a 60lb bow, what spine have you had most success with.
I understand factory specifications and I nearly 100% go on the heavy side, but I'm thinking the opposite now??
On mine I use400 spine 85 G arrow heads. Works great...
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Nice new arrows .. smash clink crunch .. repeat daily .. I need nice new arrows..
Off topic but what sight and stablelizer are those
I don't have the exact model numbers to hand, but both the sight and stabilisers are made by Topoint. I *think* the stabilisers are the "633" model, but don't quote me on that.
I shot a cheap bamboo arrow through my hand shooting a longbow off the hand. Put me in a bad mood
I always flex them, I shoot single shots now and only one at a time
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I ALWAYS flex before i nock an arrow. I didn't, until i saw someone put a carbon shaft through his tricep.
I didn’t even know they made 1200-2000 spine arrows 😂
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May Allah Bless you and family. You are a very sincere man . Your comments are clearly honest and true . How lucky is Australia to have such a citizen that are able to contribute significantly to Australian Archery and the world should a lot of archery knowledge from this man named Steven Hans….Thank you
Arrows breaking just a few inches in front of the vanes. My guess is faulty nocks or nocks requiring double clicks when inserted. So what happens is the arrow comes off the string prematurely at release, and the string slices thru the arrow from the side of the arrow.
Oh look, just 11minutes into the video and the nock and arrow detaches...
Stevey stevey stevey...sell me that bow...and some 500 spine pandarius arrows
I think young shooters should start with Aluminum Arrows.
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When I started with alloys I would go through a dozen a month. I think if I still shoot alloys I would got through a dozen a week. The strength of carbon is amazing. Carbon so much cheaper.
@@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale I'm talking about new shooters, not experienced Archers.
Ive been shooting for 50 yrs snd never had an arrow explode upon firing. I bang the crap out of them too. I don’t know how Steven shoots so many arrows at the same spot. Id go nock poor if I did that. Carbons are great for durability. But even way back when xx75 and game getters before that the arrows were good. I shot so many aluminum arrows with dents and creases in them its not funny. Never had a problem. I had some pretty bad bows then too. But arrows were never an issue.
i think young archers should start with full containment or drop away rests
If you do one of these and end up going to the hospital, KEEP THE CAMERA ROLLING. Content content content LOL
Ive broken plenty of carbon arrows, but never from the actual bow itself.. They all hit something hard on the backstop and cracked.. Toss em in the bin and move on.. Carbon arrows take enormous punishment, they would never break under normal shooting.. Always user error..
good luck dealing with the general public
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A pin….u mean knock
Like gold tip and warrior tell me- flex it first. I fkex mine. After a knick with another arrow, i flex my shaft. Its easy ans so simple. Even i can do it. I shoot 55ish pounds with 400 spine. 28".
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That bow is sexy! I love the color
Hey,
I love your takes and like the videos. Is there any way you could please please shorten your videos? This is a great topic and valuable info, but I really think of you rewatch it, and organize/script your thoughts, you could say the exact same thing in about 7 to 10 minutes.
Thanks,
Kyle
I’ve never heard about a “warning” to flex every arrow out of the package, you first said the reason why the arrows were breaking was because of form issues but then you came back and said the arrow was dropping between the rest and then hitting the riser…which one is it? Click bait for views.
It's written on many carbon arrows from major brands. All gold tip arrows say "flex it first" with their dedicated safety logo right on it.
Having the arrow drop off of the rest is a form issue.
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