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You've already lost my respect for hating on Demon Souls remake. In my opinion bluepoint did a great job with Demon Souls what they did deserves to be applauded I'm hoping they actually at least remaster bloodborne for PS5 that would make me happy. I played the PS3 version of demon souls people need to take off their Nostalgia goggles
Once again, thank you so much for having me. It was a delight to talk about Elden Ring with you and Zio after all the news and excitement of the game awards. Here's hoping those spoilers don't reach a critical mass before February!
I haven't seen anyone talk about this but Stormveil castle the dungeon is distinct from its overworld model. I.e., if you stand at the Church of Elleh and look up, Stormveil appears to be miles up in the cliffs. Likewise, if you stand at the foot of Stormveil and look down, Limgrave is miles below you. But the actual distance covered through the Castleward Tunnel from Limgrave is negligible. It's clear there's an invisible transition which loads an entirely seperate Stormveil map, rather than you actually traveling to Stormveil in the overworld. They hide this transition by making the area closer to Stormveil very misty, so you can't see the discrepancy between the overworld model and the actual map. It's really clever and it shows From are taking a unique approach to open-world level design by recycling tricks from their linear games.
You know now that I think about it I noticed a few times throughout diff- videos/screenshots was that Stormveil looked either bigger or different from separate directions on the map so maybe that’s it. I would definitely like to see a video about this totally agree.
So glad Prynne could feature on the podcast. He’s a wildly underrated voice on YT and Twitch, and a hilarious guy in general. Y’all make sure to follow his links.
These 2 months are gonna be tough. I don't wanna spoil myself but I need to know everything, we've waited so long for this masterpiece. Honestly, can't wait.
The best way to represent Elden Ring is that it's an amalgamation of many elements from ALL the souls games by Fromsoftware (Demon's Souls, Dark Souls Series, Sekiro, Bloodborne) plus an new element which is setting it in an open world, what's not to like!?
The transition from the "Study of the stars" to the "Elden Ring" could be similar to the transition from old world alchemy/mysticism to science. Then again it seems like they studies all the stars and what the erdtree might be from a specific star
people complaining about graphics clearly dont understand that theres more to making a game look good than having technically advanced visuals, a game doesnt look good if theres higher resolution textures and more advanced lighting or reflections, its about the actual design of the things in the game. graphically, the game is amazing, and it does it at a spectacular level without a stupid level of fidelity. i dont understand how you can see the absolute artistic perfection in this game and say it doesnt look good, you've gotta be doing some intense mental gymnastics to believe its an ugly game.
even so, the games graphics from a technical standpoint are still amazing. theres so much detail in the characters and armour everything looked stunning playing through the beta test
Especially loved the Bluepoint segment. People are so aggressive when you try to criticize the remake and call you an old head ahahaha. Even the idea of them remaking Bloodborne sends shivers down my spine and I'm glad there are people explaining the reasons behind that sentiment.
The Shattering of the Elden Ring, the events covered in the Story Trailer, plus the presumed timeline of the game presented by the Network Test, reminds me of the narrative dynamic of Robert's Rebellion in SOIAF. So many characters who have intimate, complex, and sometimes antagonistic relationships with one another, have more or less retreated to their corners as a result of a singular dramatic betrayal. Godrick, Radahn, Melenia the Severed, and yet-revealed characters probably all have alot to say about their perspective on The Shattering. Very GRRM. I suspect you'll have bosses that stick around after you defeat them, to dump more lore via dialogue. We don't have to interact with bosses other than just emptying the world of gods, like Dark Souls.
Just get rid of the backstabs if they’re going to be that bad. There are many videos of backstabs missing even when the opponent is just standing in place casting a spell. At this point in Elden Ring it’s more of a liability than a benefit
They're an ok mechanic in PvE. It's fine that they're kinda bad in pvp imo. Not at the part where they mention that yet if they do I just started the video but backstabs have always been something that trivializes certain play styles or weapons something that benefits you way more than any other play style. Back stop fishing in dark souls 1 and 3 were absurd I'm not sure about 2
I'm used to stuff leaking from Pokemon, but over 2 months early is kind of ridiculous. I'm glad spoiler free was in the title here or else I ptobably wouldn't have clicked. It was very interesting though, thank you!
Love Demon/Dark Souls and Bloodborne games. Started with Demon Souls on PS3 and was frustrated the first time I played and then quit and a few months later came back with a level head and beat them. I just wish I could go back in time and feel the feelings I felt when I was just starting for the first time. Unfortunately that feel has gone away since playing all of them but I still love these games with a passion. I really feel that these games even though not perfect are at the top of my all time favorite games. Not DS2, it was ok but I didn’t like it personally myself but trying to come at it again with an open mind.
Is anyone else as upset about going down to a 4 player max as I am? Not seeing as much commotion about it as I would have thought. It feels like we are going backwards from Dark Souls 2 & 3…. Anyone active in DS3 pvp knows how fun the 3v3 matches could be in pontiffs backyard and the swamp. Really going to miss that
Instead of Taunter's Tongue or even just system settings for solo invasions... I would prefer if it was a covenant. You only need to equip it and you can be only invaded by 1 invader. If you defeat an invader you obviously get a resource only they can get which hopefully you could turn in for good rewards. This would incentivize people to try out PvP more and it wouldnt be an item which you have to use every time you die.
The lore for someone who is invested into a song of ice and fire and soulsbourne feels like this mix of Grr martin and Fromsoftware. And it works perfectly
Fun fact Georg R.R. Martin in a interview said that lore was the vernier that authors use to give the illusion that their have a full world. So Ironically long before he worked on the product he prettily heavily dissed soft in a round about way..
Good podcast although I strongly disagree with the demon souls remake bit. The studio did say they really didn't wanna upset fan and didn't wanna make changes so people complained. I don't think it's that they don't get the game. Ratoskr also failed to acknowledge that bluepoint added 26 ceramic coins to unlock one of the most requested armor sets the fans have wanted. Saying bluepoint doesn't get it because of magic was kinda stupid. They left it the same because that is what fans wanted
Absolutely agree on the points made about the taunter's tongue. Lot's of great points in this podcast, but especially the taunter's tongue bits. I love natural invasions, and would be very sad seeing them go in elden ring
Hey, just a thought. How would you feel about damage reduction when being hit by multiple people? For example lets say 3 players hit you at just about the same time. The first hit will do full damage, the two hits as well as any other hits while in that stunlock will have massive damage drop. Could be interesting.
I might comment multiple times, but if I do I'll mention what I'm specifically talking about in each post. This post specifically is about the "people are sick of DS" segment. I wouldn't say I'm necessarily sick of DS or that I don't want another DS-style game, and I'm definitely very hyped for Elden Ring, but I think the main point of this argument is being missed by Ratatoskr, Zio and Prynne. At least the way I feel about it, DS combat is good but other games have already begun taking the idea of DS combat and evolving it to the next level. Nioh and Nioh 2, for example, play very similarly to DS but they also have much more specialized stamina management, almost enough to be its own mini-game, multi-button combo attacks, different stances, Diablo-esque itemization, Nioh 2 has Yokai skills and Yokai form, etc. It feels very DS in many ways, but it many ways it feels very different from DS but still incredibly fun: I would personally call it something akin to an evolution of DS. Lots of other games are also taking cues from DS combat even if their actual combat doesn't share every aspect that DS combat does. For example, God of War PS4's combat often felt very Soulslike even though it didn't have stamina management or interchangeable weaponry. Many new Metroidvanias also take inspiration from DS combat but pair said combat with a focus on movement and especially airborne combat, such as Hollow Knight, Vigil: The Longest Night or GRIME. When you compare all that to Dark Souls 3, DS3 feels to me like it's getting left behind. To be honest that's understandable since DS3 came out before most of the games I'm talking about: clearly they drew inspiration from DS. However, having played all those other games that were like DS but in some ways more interesting and, I'd personally argue, better, it's hard to go back to DS combat and still be as enthralled as I was before I saw all those other options. As someone who loves to travel I would liken it to enjoying a certain type of ethnic food, going to the country of its origin and having the amazing authentic food there, then returning home and trying your favorite restaurant again. Unless you are very lucky and live somewhere with incredible authentic ethnic food, the food you have when you return will probably be a let-down even though the quality hasn't gone down at all because you've now experienced what you could be having, theoretically speaking anyway. It's not a perfect comparison but I feel like its gets the gist of what I'm saying about DS combat: it was incredible in the past, then I played some games that took the same ideas but improved upon them in some ways, and now the old combat feels a little stale, like it's missing something that I hadn't realized I wanted back when I was so enthralled. Now, with all that in context, let's talk about Sekiro. Sekiro is like the other games evolving DS combat in that its combat feels very similar to DS in many ways, but is also incredibly different in new and exciting ways. Specifically, Sekiro takes the idea of parrying and refines it into the best sword combat game I have ever either played or seen. Combat still nominally plays like DS but there is now a real sense of back and forth in combat and controlling the flow of battle itself is just as important as getting in little hits here and there. The addition of all of Sekiro's movement mechanics, and the enemy attacks they countered, meant that rather than simply waiting for an enemy to do an easily punishable attack you were instead rewarded best for reading your opponent and responding to their attacks with your counters to them. The ninja prosthetics also helped a lot as they often acted like Zelda dungeon items, being specifically useful against certain bosses at certain times, yet they never trivialized a fight and not having them never made a fight unfairly hard. They were another tool in the player's arsenal, ones that only had specific uses but were incredibly helpful in those circumstances. Bringing this all back around to Elden Ring, my impressions from seeing the CNT (sadly I didn't get a key and couldn't play it) were that ER is more of a Smash Bros Ultimate than a DS evolution. It's more of "everyone is here!" and less of a next step forward. Pretty much all the mechanics from the previous DS games and Sekiro have returned in some form or another, but despite this the game doesn't really seem like it has a major gameplay system that differentiates and elevates the combat from previous games. Obviously the open world has a huge impact on the whole game feel, and from what we can tell the RPG mechanics seem to be quite improved, but the actual combat doesn't seem particularly different or evolved from what came before. In other words, it seems like you can play ER's combat more or less the same way you played DS's combat and get by about as well. I think that's a shame. Considering how much of a jump forward I saw Sekiro as, it seems strange to me that ER is more or less standing in place rather than evolving further. Again, I understand that many other aspects of the DS formula are evolving in ER and I could even be convinced (probably) that it would be unreasonable to expect combat to evolve again alongside everything else. Nevertheless I can't help but be a bit disappointed considering that combat is pretty much the standard way we interact with the environment in FromSoft games. The combat definitely looks fun and I'm sure it will be an improvement over DS3, but compared to a Sekiro or a Nioh 2, or even to a good Souls-like Metroidvania like Hollow Knight, I'm not sure the combat in ER will hold up to the high standards that have been set by other genre innovators. Dark Souls is simply an old franchise now, and even though it's still great and I still play the games it is familiar and no longer exciting compared to the competition. Everything I've seen of ER suggests to me that it strays far closer to familiar territory than to the new and groundbreaking, and considering how amazing of a job From did with iterating combat in Sekiro I just think it's a shame that ER does not appear to be continuing the trend. I will admit here that I could be wrong because we've only seen a tiny fraction of the game. Maybe each Great Rune we capture grants us a new power much like beating the Divine Beasts did in Breath of the Wild, and/or maybe the game's combat becomes much more varied and dynamic than what we've seen so far. More than anything else about ER I would love to be wrong about the combat, I just don't think that I am. The game's combat looks like it will be very solid fun, it just seems a shame to me that a game that is breaking ground in so many other ways is mostly sticking to good old standard Dark Souls combat when all the games over the last few years have shown me how much further those general combat concepts can be pushed. EDIT: If Ziostorm is correct and there are a ton of spells that are situational and ask you to play in different ways to take full advantage of them, then THAT would fulfill my expectations of evolving combat in some way, and it would also make me happy since I'm a magic stan. I really hope the leaks are correct about that. Honestly I hope the leaks are correct about pretty much everything I've seen since I haven't seen that much, but what I have seen sounds really really cool. But yeah, if it turns out that situational spells are ER combat's X factor then I, and by extension a lot of people, will have egg on my face. And if that is the case then I will be the happiest person with egg on their face around.
The problem is the DS combat is older then DS, it's effective the exact same thing that Nintendo used in 1998 with Ocarina of Time. It a rather old and well proven combat system, makes sense why soft would just copy it.
@@SpottedHares This is true, and a good point in general, but I feel like it furthers my main point. The core of this combat system has been around for decades now: because of this, any innovation even if it's small feels groundbreaking and incredible (assuming, of course, that said innovation actually works). Elden Ring will almost undoubtedly be a good game whether it innovates or not, but I think it will feel like it has missed and/or untapped potential if the combat more or less stays the same.
@@quintonhoffert6526 I know that making a game this enormous is an endeavor in itself, but I had hoped that FromSoft would have taken some cues from bluepoint and had begin to start redoing their combat animations. The sounds and animations from the demon souls Remake are just SOOOO damn sexy, that it makes the old animations look.... Well... Old. Haha.
One thing you guys didn't mention was how Redahn is called the conqueror of the stars in the trailer. Could be a clue. Also, I'm definitely one of those people who doesn't invade or go out of my way to PVP much, but I like being organically invaded every now and then while I'm playing. To me it's just part of the experience of playing one of these games. I think the big reason they decided to disable it by default is the world bosses. In other Souls games, you couldn't be invaded while fighting a boss, but since there are going to be some (presumably pretty tough) world bosses, it would kinda suck to get invaded and destroyed while fighting a boss because it required your full attention. If they implemented something like maybe temporarily not allowing you to be invaded mid-fight if you're currently engaging a world boss, that could work.
Well, with bluepoint, they said also they wanted to be as much as of a 1 for 1 remake of the original. And they did that. For better and worse. Granted that line of magic being weak at the start just sounds like a straight lie on purpose lol
Let me make a suggestion to invasion issue. Lets keep it at co-op for your first play threw. But one u get to NG+. Then u can invade solo players. My first play threw. I don't really want to get invaded. I just want to focus on the game. Learn the mechanics. Enjoy the story, explore & build my character. I understand people that dont want to be invaded there first play threw. I'm one of them. But I also understand the PVP community. Keeping the game going. Not having to fight 2 or 3 on one and so on. I think this would be a great solution. Ones u hit new game +. Its free game take off the fucking training weels TIME TO GET GOOD. U should have the experience to PVP. You've had the time to explore. You've had the time to learn the mechanics, You have an idea of how u want to play. Mele, magic and so on. I've played and beaten Demons Souls and all 3 Dark Souls. Its frustrating getting evaded your first play threw. But ones your on new game +. U don't worry about it no more. If u win u win if u loose u loose. Your not worried about loosing your souls. Its not that big of a loss. U have experience and an idea of how to play. Its just time to GET GOOD. Getting your ass kicked isn't a bad thing. As long as your learning. Then ones u GET GOOD and u kick some ass yourself. Its ok. Invasion ant a problem no more. Just an idea 💡 and a possible solution to the invasion issue. Trying to look at both sides of the fence. Come to a compromise.
Not a bad idea. But unfortunately, New Game Plus is basically pointless. You are overpowered, and nothing changes. If Elden Ring had a unique newgame+ experience, like Dark Souls 2, Then this would be the perfect solution.
I just had a horrifying realization...what if they pulled the stars from the sky and by accident brought the biggest star down to them(the sun) and to prevent the world from being destroyed had to create a magic tree to stop it. Which is why the Erdtree glows... its holding up the actual sun.
I've heard, I don't know where, that Elden Ring is supposed to be the beginning of a series. If that's true Miyaziki's magnum opus will be a lot more than just this game.
No no no no no. I like your thinking, but you've got to work with what we've got and also go BOLDER. I'm thinking... space ponies. Torrent will jump through worm holes so we can time travel.
Every shot we've seen of Milaenia and Rhodan fighting is on a desolate, reddened battlefield, but nothing on the leaked map looks like this. We know that they were the 2 strongest beings at the time and there was no victor of this fight. Rhodan "conquered the stars," the battlefield appears to be burning hot, and there is a giant impact crater on the leaked map. Milaenia is found at the base of the Yrd Tree, the yrd tree is nowhere to be seen during their battle, and the impact crater is RIGHT next to the yrd tree. We see her blossom into a giant golden flower on rhodans back, we know this battle took place long ago, and the yrd trees sap contains "primordial life." I think rhodan crashed the sky temple into the earth creating the crater, for which rhodans and milaenias forces went to war, and that crater is where their battle took place a long time ago. I think milaenia trapped herself and rhodan to stop him, the last 2 standing, creating the yrd tree in the process, and the "primordial life" in the sap is her life force.
No leaked/datamined content ahead: I think Elden Ring in it's summation is the law of causality. Runes are just parts of it that causality applies to - death, gravity, etc.. Elden Ring is the source of the Erdtree, which shines the rays of Greater Will upon the Lands Between. This Will is exactly what shackled fate, it allows to forge our fate and it makes sense that it happened with the Age of the Erdtree. I assume it wasn't the case before Greater Will and Elden Ring, because even if Will existed what purpose would it have if your choices had no consequences without causality itself? In addition to that I think Melina is the Greater Will/Spirit Avatar of the Erdtree. The whole burned and bodyless, lost purpose give to her by her mother in the Erdtree, Melina being spectral and Erdtree being kinda spectral too.. all of it just seems to point to that direction.
Its related to alchemy bc alchemy is the practice of purifying the soul to achieve ascension aka nirvana aka heaven aka returning to source, or, as its called in ER, Grace of the Greater Will.
1:36:54 dried finger opens up another slot yes but it also removes the invasion timer/cooldown. So invaders will constantly invade you until you either die or log off just like the squirrelman said. At least that's how it works in dks1. Idk about dks3 because dks3 PvP is trash.
With Bloodborne and Bluepoint, I think it may be possible that they are taking on the role that Japan Studios had in BB, as people forget that BB was not just From by themselves. Considering that Japan Studios is now defunct, it may be that Sony is appointing Bluepoint to help From with a BB2. Just a thought 🤷♂️
They thought they had "incriminating evidence" on Lance so when he was "abrasive" they just said fuck him and left it at that.....they then realized it wasnt him at all and just let it go.
"If the datamine leaks are true, those guys are actually..." Stopped. Come on guys, why put 'spoiler free' in the title if you're going to discuss leaked details??
The hyperbole is off the charts in this video. We're all fans here guys. Bluepoint did an incredible job with their MGS collection, Ico/Shadow of the Colossus remaster, SotC Remake, and Demon's Souls Remake. Saying that they just don't get Demon's Souls is wrong. Making games is one of the most difficult things you can do. They couldn't haphazardly recreate something on this level without having done an immense amount of time researching the game and likely communicating with FS to some extent. While unproven with new IPs, I think they are by far the best in the business with regard to remakes. Different artists worked on the assets this time around and they used a new engine with mostly recycled code. Some liberties were definitely taken, but focusing on some the aspects you don't agree with and nitpicking at the changes they made and didn't make completely undermines the hard work that went into recreating a classic for more people to experience and appreciate. Imagine if any other team handled the remake. Perhaps the uproar would be warranted then. The original is always there for people to play if that's your preferred version.
Criticizing bluepoint doesn't undermine their hard work. There is no uproar. I just don't think they understand souls games as much as I'd like them to.
Re-creating the graphics and creating a world isn't the same thing People are happy with Bluepoint graphical rework but that's what they're good at! But they just don't understand the souls world. They didn't created it so if bluepoint really is making bloodborne 2 we can't extect them to make the magnificent world that people loved like in the first bloodborne. It will just be pretty. Just that.
The fact that they had to recycle code 1:1 to recreate the game probably proves they don't understand it. They knew anything they did themselves risked compromising what Demon's Souls is, so in 99.9% of cases they simply didn't bother. In terms of art direction they certainly don't understand Demon's Souls, and if you've looked into the pipeline of the development at all you'd know most of the assets, including sometimes initial designs, were outsourced. It's no wonder the style of the game ended up so inconsistent.
Your opinion but Demon Souls remake is great I love it how dare you talk bad about Demon Souls remake this is somebody who played the original version as well. Please take your Nostalgia goggles off and just play Demon Souls on PS5 it's fun I also have the PS3 version I'm happy they didn't nerve the magic
Lol what do you mean how dare you? People can’t have opinions now? If you make artistic changes to a game you’re remaking people are always gonna have differing opinions, which is fine.
Dont understand the graphics issues....BP was remaking an already finished in terms of design, game...all they had to do was work on graphics and animations...not that it wasn't beautiful...but it just seems like people don't appreciate building everything from the ground up like From is doing
The stars aren’t gone. The urd tree occludes them with its light pollution, thus diminishing the power that can be drawn from them. That’s my theory, anyway.
As far as PvP goes, I do wonder if ultra weapons will really provide the dump truck hyper armor to push through a group all bunched up, but you cant just telegraph it. Hard swaps in PvP are going to be even more important, not just for the fact that you can have the same weapon with different Ashes to mix up opponents expecting what you already used, but for getting hyper armor out of your pocket when a party converges on you. Plus, a long ultra with the lunging stab Ash sounds really nice.
I think the whole "bluepoint interview" thing might more so be a "stuck in the corner view" since everyone sees the remake more so as a entire remake with balance and graphics, when they set out for just the graphics and bit more optimization. So, when people like the community and youtubers with a big number of followers start talking about them like they royally fucked up kinda makes them seem in the wrong. So, they say stupid crap in interviews when it comes to anything regarding gameplay/balance. The goal was graphics and optimization for the ps4. They did that, they get an A.
When you do these podcasts can you please put gameplay in the background even if it does not showcase your talking points?? I’d like to watch some beats being slain while listening. Thanks
I've played FS games for thousands of hours. Saying Elden Ring is "nothing like Dark Souls" kind of perplexes me. I felt a lot of all their games. Definitely a culmination of Souls, Bloodborne, and Sekiro.
@@ratatoskr6324 I certainly appreciate the effort to keep the discussion from 22:30 to 23:18 relatively vague. However, once Zio mentioned some specifics, the discussion jumped into spoiler territory. I'm not sure about any other potential spoilers that did not have warnings. When I saw 'spoiler free discussion' in the title, I thought I would be able to hit play and not need to skip forward to avoid spoilers. Overall, still a fun discussion to listen to!
Enjoyed the chat fellas. I'm getting to the point with elden ring where I don't think I want to know more, but that 'itchy' feeling is making me look for stuff. 😥
Ok this is alarming. How do u level up to high for invasions in a net work test? Was the meta fucking SL 25? That doesn’t set a good precedent for the final game 😂
The only way you could compare Elden Ring to Dark Souls if you were one of the minority that played with heavy Mods, like overhauls and even the JoJo Bizarre mod or the Pokemon mod. Which I would love to try but never got to.
The line that's interesting to me but which nobody is talking about is: "What could the demigods ever hope to win by warring?". Historically wars have been fought for land and resources, are the demigods not interested in that? Getting more Great Runes which can manipulate the way of the world? Is there something that keeps them from taking from each other? Can they not use other's Great Runes? Is there really nothing they could gain?
Have to put this out there. Fromsoftware while obviously have crafted beautiful games in the past, including elden ring, but have reached their peak when it come to graphical fidelity. They need new people to push their games into next gen. bluepoint helping with bloodborne 2 wouldn't be them designing levels, balancing, crafting enemies or anything when it comes to gameplay. They didn't change much when coming to demonsouls because they are smart enough to understand their limits. With bloodborne being a Sony exclusive, there is no doubt that there is alot of pressure for bloodborne 2 to push consoles. It has become a flagship. I would rather someone like bluepoint take charge when it comes to this, than rather have miyazaki's team, spend too much time trying to figure something like èthis out. I feel like asking them to take the graphical fidelity of bloodborne 2 to the next level right after elden ring, with probably a 2-3 year development cycle is too much. I personally would prefer bluepoint to handle the sony games graphically, while the original team continue their work on the xbox and pc titles. Alot of people love demon souls remake (including myself), and I don't see why we can't have both.
I love how their creaming their pants about how unique and new the art direction is when a rip off Laurelin is the back ground photo, you could not have done a worse job setting that up. then they go on to cream their pants about how the elden ring is physic, when Destiny 1 already did that with sub classes. then they cream their pants about a royal family being a rip off the the real world Maya, and several hundred other groups but Maya are my favorite. It goes to show they they effectively have to pretend that everything that is soft made never existed in order to pretend that soft is bring completly original and unique. Then theirs the tree sucking life from bides, A lost world TVfrom 1999 did that and the Naurto story also did that. And seriously what idiot wasn't expecting the other worldly BS from bloodbrone, Im starting to think that people have been hit with the obvious sledge hammer so many times their getting brain damage.
@@fashionsuckman4652 Perfectly phrased. Originality is how you twist and manipulate your inspirations. Nothing is truly an original idea. We all stand on the shoulders of giants.
People who like dses complain about degradation and casualty of mechanics since each souls-like iteration. I am talking about world's global mechanics, not about combat. Covenants have became useless and lost it's importance, all unique world's changing mechanics are gone, cross-world interaction removed, punishment for dieing cost nothing to host. Also, specifically in Elden Ring, I saw that pvp combat mechanics are also degradated in contrast to ds3. No good punishment mechanics for mistakes (removed bs and combo attacks (reworked hyperarmor and poise)), which leads to destroying skill importance and give gankers much easier life. Seems like netcode hasn't been changed as well as no glitches were fixed. But that's my opinion on pvp, we ll see what they ll change in release.
I just wanna fact check you that that backstabs aren't useless and that combos have almost never been in network test builds of FROMsoft games. Dark Souls 3's network test had no combos either.
@@obsolescentmystic2527 Backstabs are indeed useless. There's a number of videos that demonstrate this, with actual empirical evidence. There's G9's test videos, but also Amir's video which actually goes as deep as analysing DS3's data to contrast. One video by saint_riot where he gets a lucky backstab off some guy locked into two different animations doesn't mean anything for their effectiveness as a mechanic.
@@Malik-ig3ml I'm going to point out something here that's obvious to literally anyone else in any competitive environment. MAYBE FROMSOFT DOESN'T WANT YOU USING BACKSTABS IN THE WAY THEY USED TO BE.
@@obsolescentmystic2527 already mentioned, that removing punishment mechanic without introducing something new - reduces skill gap between casuls and pros.
@@markusasennoptchevich2037 Once again, you guys are just upset this isn't DkS3. The punishment already exist. It's instant jumping attacks which you can do MORE on reaction than a backstab.
Invasions should be invader decided. Cracked red eye orbs go after solo host (Needs to be restricted in some way by how many you can get from a vendor at 1 time) while a whole red eye orb can invade host with phantoms. If you use whole red eye orb -> gets you those double covenant item rewards. That or legacy dungeons would be normal invasions, or each covenant has their own legacy dungeon sets that you watchdog of faron into. A unique idea and what I want would be traps! You can set a trap on the ground through out the world (Up to 3 or so) that once triggered, pulls someone into your world to invade you or pulls you into their world to invade them.
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I would like jeenine as a guest on the topic for pvp.
@@apocalypsewaifu2679 same
@1:18:57 We can only hope bro.
One thing we may have to be wary of is factions lying about the opposite faction.
You've already lost my respect for hating on Demon Souls remake. In my opinion bluepoint did a great job with Demon Souls what they did deserves to be applauded I'm hoping they actually at least remaster bloodborne for PS5 that would make me happy. I played the PS3 version of demon souls people need to take off their Nostalgia goggles
This was a great discussion, thanks for having us on!
Once again, thank you so much for having me. It was a delight to talk about Elden Ring with you and Zio after all the news and excitement of the game awards. Here's hoping those spoilers don't reach a critical mass before February!
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I haven't seen anyone talk about this but Stormveil castle the dungeon is distinct from its overworld model. I.e., if you stand at the Church of Elleh and look up, Stormveil appears to be miles up in the cliffs. Likewise, if you stand at the foot of Stormveil and look down, Limgrave is miles below you.
But the actual distance covered through the Castleward Tunnel from Limgrave is negligible. It's clear there's an invisible transition which loads an entirely seperate Stormveil map, rather than you actually traveling to Stormveil in the overworld. They hide this transition by making the area closer to Stormveil very misty, so you can't see the discrepancy between the overworld model and the actual map.
It's really clever and it shows From are taking a unique approach to open-world level design by recycling tricks from their linear games.
You know now that I think about it I noticed a few times throughout diff- videos/screenshots was that Stormveil looked either bigger or different from separate directions on the map so maybe that’s it. I would definitely like to see a video about this totally agree.
reminds me how their were parts of DS3 where dragons peak was not loaded in, and parts of Cainhurst castle where Yahrmne would not load in.
So glad Prynne could feature on the podcast. He’s a wildly underrated voice on YT and Twitch, and a hilarious guy in general. Y’all make sure to follow his links.
These 2 months are gonna be tough. I don't wanna spoil myself but I need to know everything, we've waited so long for this masterpiece. Honestly, can't wait.
1 month now! Stay safe.
The best way to represent Elden Ring is that it's an amalgamation of many elements from ALL the souls games by Fromsoftware (Demon's Souls, Dark Souls Series, Sekiro, Bloodborne) plus an new element which is setting it in an open world, what's not to like!?
The transition from the "Study of the stars" to the "Elden Ring" could be similar to the transition from old world alchemy/mysticism to science. Then again it seems like they studies all the stars and what the erdtree might be from a specific star
only after preordering it do I instantly feel the pain of waiting for this masterpiece.
people complaining about graphics clearly dont understand that theres more to making a game look good than having technically advanced visuals, a game doesnt look good if theres higher resolution textures and more advanced lighting or reflections, its about the actual design of the things in the game. graphically, the game is amazing, and it does it at a spectacular level without a stupid level of fidelity. i dont understand how you can see the absolute artistic perfection in this game and say it doesnt look good, you've gotta be doing some intense mental gymnastics to believe its an ugly game.
even so, the games graphics from a technical standpoint are still amazing. theres so much detail in the characters and armour everything looked stunning playing through the beta test
@@whatthedogisdoing5393 And my lord, the vistas in this game are absolutely gorgeous.
My heart hurts for zio, I can hear the despair in his voice 🤣😭
At the time of recording this, the despair had only just begun…
im so glad u started making soulsborne content
I bless this podcast
Especially loved the Bluepoint segment. People are so aggressive when you try to criticize the remake and call you an old head ahahaha. Even the idea of them remaking Bloodborne sends shivers down my spine and I'm glad there are people explaining the reasons behind that sentiment.
I hate these people who complain about a game that will be released for ps4 not being as beautiful as a ps5 exclusive game. That is so dumb.
Listening in 2024, you guys are really good at putting it all together. Really fun podcast
You touch a lot of things in this video but I'd love more discussion like this
The Shattering of the Elden Ring, the events covered in the Story Trailer, plus the presumed timeline of the game presented by the Network Test, reminds me of the narrative dynamic of Robert's Rebellion in SOIAF. So many characters who have intimate, complex, and sometimes antagonistic relationships with one another, have more or less retreated to their corners as a result of a singular dramatic betrayal. Godrick, Radahn, Melenia the Severed, and yet-revealed characters probably all have alot to say about their perspective on The Shattering. Very GRRM. I suspect you'll have bosses that stick around after you defeat them, to dump more lore via dialogue. We don't have to interact with bosses other than just emptying the world of gods, like Dark Souls.
Still love listening to these even after the game came out
Just get rid of the backstabs if they’re going to be that bad. There are many videos of backstabs missing even when the opponent is just standing in place casting a spell. At this point in Elden Ring it’s more of a liability than a benefit
They're an ok mechanic in PvE. It's fine that they're kinda bad in pvp imo. Not at the part where they mention that yet if they do I just started the video but backstabs have always been something that trivializes certain play styles or weapons something that benefits you way more than any other play style. Back stop fishing in dark souls 1 and 3 were absurd I'm not sure about 2
I'm used to stuff leaking from Pokemon, but over 2 months early is kind of ridiculous. I'm glad spoiler free was in the title here or else I ptobably wouldn't have clicked. It was very interesting though, thank you!
Love Demon/Dark Souls and Bloodborne games. Started with Demon Souls on PS3 and was frustrated the first time I played and then quit and a few months later came back with a level head and beat them. I just wish I could go back in time and feel the feelings I felt when I was just starting for the first time. Unfortunately that feel has gone away since playing all of them but I still love these games with a passion. I really feel that these games even though not perfect are at the top of my all time favorite games. Not DS2, it was ok but I didn’t like it personally myself but trying to come at it again with an open mind.
Is anyone else as upset about going down to a 4 player max as I am? Not seeing as much commotion about it as I would have thought. It feels like we are going backwards from Dark Souls 2 & 3…. Anyone active in DS3 pvp knows how fun the 3v3 matches could be in pontiffs backyard and the swamp. Really going to miss that
Well, that only effects pvp... so not a lot of ppl outside reddit pvp will even notice
@@blazenfate it does affect co-op players too, you can only summon 2 friends now vs the previous cap of 3.
@@bryangosling629 Yeah, I felt like they should have shot for the 6 player limit that we saw in Dark Souls Remake.
Instead of Taunter's Tongue or even just system settings for solo invasions... I would prefer if it was a covenant. You only need to equip it and you can be only invaded by 1 invader. If you defeat an invader you obviously get a resource only they can get which hopefully you could turn in for good rewards. This would incentivize people to try out PvP more and it wouldnt be an item which you have to use every time you die.
OH THANK YOU MAN I LOVE THISSSS HEH
This wait is absolutely brutal..Love the content man. I think ER is gonna be a break out game for you. Keep up the good work 👌
The lore for someone who is invested into a song of ice and fire and soulsbourne feels like this mix of Grr martin and Fromsoftware. And it works perfectly
Literally me the color palette and world looks literally perfect
Now if they would do a show together without Hollyweird being involved.
Fun fact Georg R.R. Martin in a interview said that lore was the vernier that authors use to give the illusion that their have a full world. So Ironically long before he worked on the product he prettily heavily dissed soft in a round about way..
Good podcast although I strongly disagree with the demon souls remake bit. The studio did say they really didn't wanna upset fan and didn't wanna make changes so people complained. I don't think it's that they don't get the game. Ratoskr also failed to acknowledge that bluepoint added 26 ceramic coins to unlock one of the most requested armor sets the fans have wanted. Saying bluepoint doesn't get it because of magic was kinda stupid. They left it the same because that is what fans wanted
I said they didn't get it because the reason they listed in the interview was untrue.
@@ratatoskr6324 I wouldn't trust them with a bloodborne 2 though I agree on that. I feel like they were to scared to change anything honestly
Absolutely agree on the points made about the taunter's tongue. Lot's of great points in this podcast, but especially the taunter's tongue bits. I love natural invasions, and would be very sad seeing them go in elden ring
Hey, just a thought. How would you feel about damage reduction when being hit by multiple people? For example lets say 3 players hit you at just about the same time. The first hit will do full damage, the two hits as well as any other hits while in that stunlock will have massive damage drop. Could be interesting.
Keep doing what you do, I love these podcasts :)
I might comment multiple times, but if I do I'll mention what I'm specifically talking about in each post. This post specifically is about the "people are sick of DS" segment.
I wouldn't say I'm necessarily sick of DS or that I don't want another DS-style game, and I'm definitely very hyped for Elden Ring, but I think the main point of this argument is being missed by Ratatoskr, Zio and Prynne. At least the way I feel about it, DS combat is good but other games have already begun taking the idea of DS combat and evolving it to the next level. Nioh and Nioh 2, for example, play very similarly to DS but they also have much more specialized stamina management, almost enough to be its own mini-game, multi-button combo attacks, different stances, Diablo-esque itemization, Nioh 2 has Yokai skills and Yokai form, etc. It feels very DS in many ways, but it many ways it feels very different from DS but still incredibly fun: I would personally call it something akin to an evolution of DS. Lots of other games are also taking cues from DS combat even if their actual combat doesn't share every aspect that DS combat does. For example, God of War PS4's combat often felt very Soulslike even though it didn't have stamina management or interchangeable weaponry. Many new Metroidvanias also take inspiration from DS combat but pair said combat with a focus on movement and especially airborne combat, such as Hollow Knight, Vigil: The Longest Night or GRIME.
When you compare all that to Dark Souls 3, DS3 feels to me like it's getting left behind. To be honest that's understandable since DS3 came out before most of the games I'm talking about: clearly they drew inspiration from DS. However, having played all those other games that were like DS but in some ways more interesting and, I'd personally argue, better, it's hard to go back to DS combat and still be as enthralled as I was before I saw all those other options. As someone who loves to travel I would liken it to enjoying a certain type of ethnic food, going to the country of its origin and having the amazing authentic food there, then returning home and trying your favorite restaurant again. Unless you are very lucky and live somewhere with incredible authentic ethnic food, the food you have when you return will probably be a let-down even though the quality hasn't gone down at all because you've now experienced what you could be having, theoretically speaking anyway. It's not a perfect comparison but I feel like its gets the gist of what I'm saying about DS combat: it was incredible in the past, then I played some games that took the same ideas but improved upon them in some ways, and now the old combat feels a little stale, like it's missing something that I hadn't realized I wanted back when I was so enthralled.
Now, with all that in context, let's talk about Sekiro. Sekiro is like the other games evolving DS combat in that its combat feels very similar to DS in many ways, but is also incredibly different in new and exciting ways. Specifically, Sekiro takes the idea of parrying and refines it into the best sword combat game I have ever either played or seen. Combat still nominally plays like DS but there is now a real sense of back and forth in combat and controlling the flow of battle itself is just as important as getting in little hits here and there. The addition of all of Sekiro's movement mechanics, and the enemy attacks they countered, meant that rather than simply waiting for an enemy to do an easily punishable attack you were instead rewarded best for reading your opponent and responding to their attacks with your counters to them. The ninja prosthetics also helped a lot as they often acted like Zelda dungeon items, being specifically useful against certain bosses at certain times, yet they never trivialized a fight and not having them never made a fight unfairly hard. They were another tool in the player's arsenal, ones that only had specific uses but were incredibly helpful in those circumstances.
Bringing this all back around to Elden Ring, my impressions from seeing the CNT (sadly I didn't get a key and couldn't play it) were that ER is more of a Smash Bros Ultimate than a DS evolution. It's more of "everyone is here!" and less of a next step forward. Pretty much all the mechanics from the previous DS games and Sekiro have returned in some form or another, but despite this the game doesn't really seem like it has a major gameplay system that differentiates and elevates the combat from previous games. Obviously the open world has a huge impact on the whole game feel, and from what we can tell the RPG mechanics seem to be quite improved, but the actual combat doesn't seem particularly different or evolved from what came before. In other words, it seems like you can play ER's combat more or less the same way you played DS's combat and get by about as well.
I think that's a shame. Considering how much of a jump forward I saw Sekiro as, it seems strange to me that ER is more or less standing in place rather than evolving further. Again, I understand that many other aspects of the DS formula are evolving in ER and I could even be convinced (probably) that it would be unreasonable to expect combat to evolve again alongside everything else. Nevertheless I can't help but be a bit disappointed considering that combat is pretty much the standard way we interact with the environment in FromSoft games. The combat definitely looks fun and I'm sure it will be an improvement over DS3, but compared to a Sekiro or a Nioh 2, or even to a good Souls-like Metroidvania like Hollow Knight, I'm not sure the combat in ER will hold up to the high standards that have been set by other genre innovators. Dark Souls is simply an old franchise now, and even though it's still great and I still play the games it is familiar and no longer exciting compared to the competition. Everything I've seen of ER suggests to me that it strays far closer to familiar territory than to the new and groundbreaking, and considering how amazing of a job From did with iterating combat in Sekiro I just think it's a shame that ER does not appear to be continuing the trend.
I will admit here that I could be wrong because we've only seen a tiny fraction of the game. Maybe each Great Rune we capture grants us a new power much like beating the Divine Beasts did in Breath of the Wild, and/or maybe the game's combat becomes much more varied and dynamic than what we've seen so far. More than anything else about ER I would love to be wrong about the combat, I just don't think that I am. The game's combat looks like it will be very solid fun, it just seems a shame to me that a game that is breaking ground in so many other ways is mostly sticking to good old standard Dark Souls combat when all the games over the last few years have shown me how much further those general combat concepts can be pushed.
EDIT: If Ziostorm is correct and there are a ton of spells that are situational and ask you to play in different ways to take full advantage of them, then THAT would fulfill my expectations of evolving combat in some way, and it would also make me happy since I'm a magic stan. I really hope the leaks are correct about that. Honestly I hope the leaks are correct about pretty much everything I've seen since I haven't seen that much, but what I have seen sounds really really cool. But yeah, if it turns out that situational spells are ER combat's X factor then I, and by extension a lot of people, will have egg on my face. And if that is the case then I will be the happiest person with egg on their face around.
The problem is the DS combat is older then DS, it's effective the exact same thing that Nintendo used in 1998 with Ocarina of Time. It a rather old and well proven combat system, makes sense why soft would just copy it.
@@SpottedHares This is true, and a good point in general, but I feel like it furthers my main point. The core of this combat system has been around for decades now: because of this, any innovation even if it's small feels groundbreaking and incredible (assuming, of course, that said innovation actually works). Elden Ring will almost undoubtedly be a good game whether it innovates or not, but I think it will feel like it has missed and/or untapped potential if the combat more or less stays the same.
@@quintonhoffert6526 I know that making a game this enormous is an endeavor in itself, but I had hoped that FromSoft would have taken some cues from bluepoint and had begin to start redoing their combat animations.
The sounds and animations from the demon souls Remake are just SOOOO damn sexy, that it makes the old animations look.... Well... Old. Haha.
At 1:01:29 they say minor spoiler warning, how far should I skip ahead to avoid this segment? Is it the rest of the “What is the Elden Ring?” Segment?
I that is only referring to how the map looks like. We only talk about it for like 2 minutes.
@@ratatoskr6324 gotcha, great episode :)
"Spoiler-free" ..... "So, in the leaked map, [spoiler]" Please change the title of this video. It isn't spoiler-free.
They just describe in general what it looks like
One thing you guys didn't mention was how Redahn is called the conqueror of the stars in the trailer. Could be a clue.
Also, I'm definitely one of those people who doesn't invade or go out of my way to PVP much, but I like being organically invaded every now and then while I'm playing. To me it's just part of the experience of playing one of these games. I think the big reason they decided to disable it by default is the world bosses. In other Souls games, you couldn't be invaded while fighting a boss, but since there are going to be some (presumably pretty tough) world bosses, it would kinda suck to get invaded and destroyed while fighting a boss because it required your full attention. If they implemented something like maybe temporarily not allowing you to be invaded mid-fight if you're currently engaging a world boss, that could work.
Odin wanted to go to the base of the tree, to learn the secret of the runes, so that he may change his destiny :)
Well, with bluepoint, they said also they wanted to be as much as of a 1 for 1 remake of the original. And they did that. For better and worse. Granted that line of magic being weak at the start just sounds like a straight lie on purpose lol
Let me make a suggestion to invasion issue. Lets keep it at co-op for your first play threw. But one u get to NG+. Then u can invade solo players. My first play threw. I don't really want to get invaded. I just want to focus on the game. Learn the mechanics. Enjoy the story, explore & build my character. I understand people that dont want to be invaded there first play threw. I'm one of them. But I also understand the PVP community. Keeping the game going. Not having to fight 2 or 3 on one and so on. I think this would be a great solution. Ones u hit new game +. Its free game take off the fucking training weels TIME TO GET GOOD. U should have the experience to PVP. You've had the time to explore. You've had the time to learn the mechanics, You have an idea of how u want to play. Mele, magic and so on. I've played and beaten Demons Souls and all 3 Dark Souls. Its frustrating getting evaded your first play threw. But ones your on new game +. U don't worry about it no more. If u win u win if u loose u loose. Your not worried about loosing your souls. Its not that big of a loss. U have experience and an idea of how to play. Its just time to GET GOOD. Getting your ass kicked isn't a bad thing. As long as your learning. Then ones u GET GOOD and u kick some ass yourself. Its ok. Invasion ant a problem no more. Just an idea 💡 and a possible solution to the invasion issue. Trying to look at both sides of the fence. Come to a compromise.
Not a bad idea.
But unfortunately, New Game Plus is basically pointless. You are overpowered, and nothing changes.
If Elden Ring had a unique newgame+ experience, like Dark Souls 2, Then this would be the perfect solution.
The Demon’s Souls Remake slander is ridiculous lol
I just had a horrifying realization...what if they pulled the stars from the sky and by accident brought the biggest star down to them(the sun) and to prevent the world from being destroyed had to create a magic tree to stop it. Which is why the Erdtree glows... its holding up the actual sun.
The sun is actually very small as far as stars go it only appears big because it’s the closest lmao
@@captainuh-oh8355 Different universe, could be the biggest star for all you know.
Oh god Prynne sounds exactly like me it's so embarrassing...
Great discussion guys, has anyone noticed that Godfrey and the lion both have a scar over their same eye as well. Interesting
I've heard, I don't know where, that Elden Ring is supposed to be the beginning of a series. If that's true Miyaziki's magnum opus will be a lot more than just this game.
I guess it depends on how well received the story is.
55:55 , 56:26 imagine getting fairy wings to fly in outer space 😂😂
No no no no no. I like your thinking, but you've got to work with what we've got and also go BOLDER.
I'm thinking... space ponies. Torrent will jump through worm holes so we can time travel.
@@reizak8966 now that's something to hope for!
Demon's Souls does look nicer but, it's also a much smaller game.
Every shot we've seen of Milaenia and Rhodan fighting is on a desolate, reddened battlefield, but nothing on the leaked map looks like this. We know that they were the 2 strongest beings at the time and there was no victor of this fight. Rhodan "conquered the stars," the battlefield appears to be burning hot, and there is a giant impact crater on the leaked map. Milaenia is found at the base of the Yrd Tree, the yrd tree is nowhere to be seen during their battle, and the impact crater is RIGHT next to the yrd tree. We see her blossom into a giant golden flower on rhodans back, we know this battle took place long ago, and the yrd trees sap contains "primordial life." I think rhodan crashed the sky temple into the earth creating the crater, for which rhodans and milaenias forces went to war, and that crater is where their battle took place a long time ago. I think milaenia trapped herself and rhodan to stop him, the last 2 standing, creating the yrd tree in the process, and the "primordial life" in the sap is her life force.
No leaked/datamined content ahead: I think Elden Ring in it's summation is the law of causality. Runes are just parts of it that causality applies to - death, gravity, etc.. Elden Ring is the source of the Erdtree, which shines the rays of Greater Will upon the Lands Between. This Will is exactly what shackled fate, it allows to forge our fate and it makes sense that it happened with the Age of the Erdtree. I assume it wasn't the case before Greater Will and Elden Ring, because even if Will existed what purpose would it have if your choices had no consequences without causality itself?
In addition to that I think Melina is the Greater Will/Spirit Avatar of the Erdtree. The whole burned and bodyless, lost purpose give to her by her mother in the Erdtree, Melina being spectral and Erdtree being kinda spectral too.. all of it just seems to point to that direction.
Its related to alchemy bc alchemy is the practice of purifying the soul to achieve ascension aka nirvana aka heaven aka returning to source, or, as its called in ER, Grace of the Greater Will.
1:36:54 dried finger opens up another slot yes but it also removes the invasion timer/cooldown. So invaders will constantly invade you until you either die or log off just like the squirrelman said. At least that's how it works in dks1. Idk about dks3 because dks3 PvP is trash.
With Bloodborne and Bluepoint, I think it may be possible that they are taking on the role that Japan Studios had in BB, as people forget that BB was not just From by themselves. Considering that Japan Studios is now defunct, it may be that Sony is appointing Bluepoint to help From with a BB2.
Just a thought 🤷♂️
I hope you're right I like that idea
They thought they had "incriminating evidence" on Lance so when he was "abrasive" they just said fuck him and left it at that.....they then realized it wasnt him at all and just let it go.
That makes a lot of sense. Do you know where I might go to read about the full story of what happened there?
Debug Menu Fanclub, you should know.
"If the datamine leaks are true, those guys are actually..."
Stopped. Come on guys, why put 'spoiler free' in the title if you're going to discuss leaked details??
It wasn't a spoiler
Hell yeah. Last ER podcast was super interesting 👊
The hyperbole is off the charts in this video. We're all fans here guys. Bluepoint did an incredible job with their MGS collection, Ico/Shadow of the Colossus remaster, SotC Remake, and Demon's Souls Remake. Saying that they just don't get Demon's Souls is wrong. Making games is one of the most difficult things you can do. They couldn't haphazardly recreate something on this level without having done an immense amount of time researching the game and likely communicating with FS to some extent. While unproven with new IPs, I think they are by far the best in the business with regard to remakes. Different artists worked on the assets this time around and they used a new engine with mostly recycled code. Some liberties were definitely taken, but focusing on some the aspects you don't agree with and nitpicking at the changes they made and didn't make completely undermines the hard work that went into recreating a classic for more people to experience and appreciate. Imagine if any other team handled the remake. Perhaps the uproar would be warranted then. The original is always there for people to play if that's your preferred version.
Criticizing bluepoint doesn't undermine their hard work. There is no uproar. I just don't think they understand souls games as much as I'd like them to.
Re-creating the graphics and creating a world isn't the same thing
People are happy with Bluepoint graphical rework but that's what they're good at!
But they just don't understand the souls world. They didn't created it so if bluepoint really is making bloodborne 2 we can't extect them to make the magnificent world that people loved like in the first bloodborne.
It will just be pretty. Just that.
What's more weird, reacting to a video with my opinion or reacting to a reaction of a video simply to call it weird? You can do better than that
The fact that they had to recycle code 1:1 to recreate the game probably proves they don't understand it. They knew anything they did themselves risked compromising what Demon's Souls is, so in 99.9% of cases they simply didn't bother.
In terms of art direction they certainly don't understand Demon's Souls, and if you've looked into the pipeline of the development at all you'd know most of the assets, including sometimes initial designs, were outsourced. It's no wonder the style of the game ended up so inconsistent.
Your opinion but Demon Souls remake is great I love it how dare you talk bad about Demon Souls remake this is somebody who played the original version as well. Please take your Nostalgia goggles off and just play Demon Souls on PS5 it's fun I also have the PS3 version I'm happy they didn't nerve the magic
Lol what do you mean how dare you? People can’t have opinions now? If you make artistic changes to a game you’re remaking people are always gonna have differing opinions, which is fine.
You could actually see the stars in ER NT if you looked away from the Erdtree at night. Not meny though.
There was that screenshot with Melina where the sky was full of stars too, right?
Dont understand the graphics issues....BP was remaking an already finished in terms of design, game...all they had to do was work on graphics and animations...not that it wasn't beautiful...but it just seems like people don't appreciate building everything from the ground up like From is doing
It was a pretty linear game compared to the open world when it's being compared to
The stars aren’t gone. The urd tree occludes them with its light pollution, thus diminishing the power that can be drawn from them. That’s my theory, anyway.
As far as PvP goes, I do wonder if ultra weapons will really provide the dump truck hyper armor to push through a group all bunched up, but you cant just telegraph it. Hard swaps in PvP are going to be even more important, not just for the fact that you can have the same weapon with different Ashes to mix up opponents expecting what you already used, but for getting hyper armor out of your pocket when a party converges on you.
Plus, a long ultra with the lunging stab Ash sounds really nice.
I think the whole "bluepoint interview" thing might more so be a "stuck in the corner view" since everyone sees the remake more so as a entire remake with balance and graphics, when they set out for just the graphics and bit more optimization. So, when people like the community and youtubers with a big number of followers start talking about them like they royally fucked up kinda makes them seem in the wrong. So, they say stupid crap in interviews when it comes to anything regarding gameplay/balance. The goal was graphics and optimization for the ps4. They did that, they get an A.
The storyteller and Melina have opposite eyes closed. Storytellers' right eye is closed, Melina's left eye is closed
When you do these podcasts can you please put gameplay in the background even if it does not showcase your talking points?? I’d like to watch some beats being slain while listening. Thanks
I've played FS games for thousands of hours. Saying Elden Ring is "nothing like Dark Souls" kind of perplexes me. I felt a lot of all their games. Definitely a culmination of Souls, Bloodborne, and Sekiro.
It's not "nothing" like it. If we said that I'm sure we misspoke. It just feels different.
"Not the same" ≠ "Nothing alike"
This is not a "spoiler free" discussion. First time you alienated me.
What did we spoil? I thought we were careful.
@@ratatoskr6324 I certainly appreciate the effort to keep the discussion from 22:30 to 23:18 relatively vague. However, once Zio mentioned some specifics, the discussion jumped into spoiler territory. I'm not sure about any other potential spoilers that did not have warnings. When I saw 'spoiler free discussion' in the title, I thought I would be able to hit play and not need to skip forward to avoid spoilers. Overall, still a fun discussion to listen to!
@@tarrat1797 wow they said something about a rock. Theres 100s of hours of content
Inb4 2001 Starchild ending
Enjoyed the chat fellas. I'm getting to the point with elden ring where I don't think I want to know more, but that 'itchy' feeling is making me look for stuff. 😥
from what mang about Melina they are talking i wnt read thet to :o
i feel so bad for zio... I don't know why they kept the files in bro, lol...
Ok this is alarming. How do u level up to high for invasions in a net work test? Was the meta fucking SL 25? That doesn’t set a good precedent for the final game 😂
The only way you could compare Elden Ring to Dark Souls if you were one of the minority that played with heavy Mods, like overhauls and even the JoJo Bizarre mod or the Pokemon mod. Which I would love to try but never got to.
Holy shit. So much assumptions on one interview about bluepoint studio. I think if they could pull it off.
Wait, the dude got the entire game spoiled??? Jesus, I can only imagine how upset he must be right now lol
I think the elden ring is the cycle of the world it self and it breaking messed with the demise gods powers
Loving the podcasts, but man the ads on mobile are killing me. There is one like every 3 mins
RUclips puts those automatically. Pinned comment has a link to listen without ads.
@@ratatoskr6324 Damn, youtube is trying to milk your content. Hopefully they are giving you a slice. Thanks for the heads up
@@ratatoskr6324None anymore it seems. At least for me
Maybe there’ll be locations like crucifixion woods where you can be invaded by more than one phantom
It always being made by more than one phantom depending on how many people you summon
The general guy keeps all the stars in his closet. And we're going to free them
The line that's interesting to me but which nobody is talking about is: "What could the demigods ever hope to win by warring?". Historically wars have been fought for land and resources, are the demigods not interested in that? Getting more Great Runes which can manipulate the way of the world? Is there something that keeps them from taking from each other? Can they not use other's Great Runes? Is there really nothing they could gain?
Have to put this out there. Fromsoftware while obviously have crafted beautiful games in the past, including elden ring, but have reached their peak when it come to graphical fidelity. They need new people to push their games into next gen. bluepoint helping with bloodborne 2 wouldn't be them designing levels, balancing, crafting enemies or anything when it comes to gameplay. They didn't change much when coming to demonsouls because they are smart enough to understand their limits. With bloodborne being a Sony exclusive, there is no doubt that there is alot of pressure for bloodborne 2 to push consoles. It has become a flagship. I would rather someone like bluepoint take charge when it comes to this, than rather have miyazaki's team, spend too much time trying to figure something like èthis out. I feel like asking them to take the graphical fidelity of bloodborne 2 to the next level right after elden ring, with probably a 2-3 year development cycle is too much. I personally would prefer bluepoint to handle the sony games graphically, while the original team continue their work on the xbox and pc titles. Alot of people love demon souls remake (including myself), and I don't see why we can't have both.
I love how their creaming their pants about how unique and new the art direction is when a rip off Laurelin is the back ground photo, you could not have done a worse job setting that up. then they go on to cream their pants about how the elden ring is physic, when Destiny 1 already did that with sub classes. then they cream their pants about a royal family being a rip off the the real world Maya, and several hundred other groups but Maya are my favorite.
It goes to show they they effectively have to pretend that everything that is soft made never existed in order to pretend that soft is bring completly original and unique.
Then theirs the tree sucking life from bides, A lost world TVfrom 1999 did that and the Naurto story also did that.
And seriously what idiot wasn't expecting the other worldly BS from bloodbrone, Im starting to think that people have been hit with the obvious sledge hammer so many times their getting brain damage.
Nothing is original no story you ever read is original
@@fashionsuckman4652 Perfectly phrased.
Originality is how you twist and manipulate your inspirations. Nothing is truly an original idea. We all stand on the shoulders of giants.
When monster hunter videous...
When there's something to talk about.
I think it's safe to assume that whatever roles and myths From Soft's NPC's impose upon us are a lattice of lies
No leaks…
People who like dses complain about degradation and casualty of mechanics since each souls-like iteration. I am talking about world's global mechanics, not about combat. Covenants have became useless and lost it's importance, all unique world's changing mechanics are gone, cross-world interaction removed, punishment for dieing cost nothing to host. Also, specifically in Elden Ring, I saw that pvp combat mechanics are also degradated in contrast to ds3.
No good punishment mechanics for mistakes (removed bs and combo attacks (reworked hyperarmor and poise)), which leads to destroying skill importance and give gankers much easier life. Seems like netcode hasn't been changed as well as no glitches were fixed. But that's my opinion on pvp, we ll see what they ll change in release.
I just wanna fact check you that that backstabs aren't useless and that combos have almost never been in network test builds of FROMsoft games. Dark Souls 3's network test had no combos either.
@@obsolescentmystic2527 Backstabs are indeed useless. There's a number of videos that demonstrate this, with actual empirical evidence. There's G9's test videos, but also Amir's video which actually goes as deep as analysing DS3's data to contrast. One video by saint_riot where he gets a lucky backstab off some guy locked into two different animations doesn't mean anything for their effectiveness as a mechanic.
@@Malik-ig3ml I'm going to point out something here that's obvious to literally anyone else in any competitive environment.
MAYBE FROMSOFT DOESN'T WANT YOU USING BACKSTABS IN THE WAY THEY USED TO BE.
@@obsolescentmystic2527 already mentioned, that removing punishment mechanic without introducing something new - reduces skill gap between casuls and pros.
@@markusasennoptchevich2037 Once again, you guys are just upset this isn't DkS3. The punishment already exist. It's instant jumping attacks which you can do MORE on reaction than a backstab.
3 fingers = Rosarias fingers
Invasions should be invader decided. Cracked red eye orbs go after solo host (Needs to be restricted in some way by how many you can get from a vendor at 1 time) while a whole red eye orb can invade host with phantoms. If you use whole red eye orb -> gets you those double covenant item rewards. That or legacy dungeons would be normal invasions, or each covenant has their own legacy dungeon sets that you watchdog of faron into. A unique idea and what I want would be traps! You can set a trap on the ground through out the world (Up to 3 or so) that once triggered, pulls someone into your world to invade you or pulls you into their world to invade them.
Rat covenant from ds2 fully realized would be so cool
If we are being honest about how soft fails at writing stores then any amount of thinking is over thinking.
The game going tobe massive yes it does have few reused assets but, come on folks this game will be over 100 of hours of gameplay and, lore.
Has your opinion changed at all, after playing the game?
Just curious.
Somebody got some cookies in their pocket... lol
The game will be diminished because of the spoilers.
Modders been having a good run at ruining souls games for a while now.......
Bro get over yourself
@@Malik-ig3ml will do