You are so much more helpful than the salesperson in my local Brompton junction, who tried to shut me down when I asked him for tips on locking the bike when I have to do it.
Insurance + approved lock + a picture every time you lock your bike to make claiming easier is my way to go. Or the budget-friendly way of leaving a note asking thives to leave the broken Kryptonite on the scene so you can get Kryptonite to reimburse you.
Someone tried to steal mine a few years ago in the centre of Dudley,unfortunately he got a bit of a punch in the mouth and was still unconscious when I rode away (shame)
I think in the last year I have locked my Brompton outside my destination once (Uni campus dentist, next to their CCTV). I have a shoulder-bag for the buses, bars and restaurants who don't like to see a folding bike.
This channel is a real gift. Useful, thoughtful (and often ingenious) info, well produced and presented enthusiastically. Thanks for making these excellent videos.
I received my 2020 Brompton electric a few weeks ago and also had a question about locking outside. It appears keeping the bike with me at all times is the way to go, but thank you for the very informative video. Thanks, Chris
Recent sub, love your channel. I use Pitlock (German company) for my wheel skewer locks, seatpost binder and also Hexlox on all my allen key bolts (saddle rails, stem, oury slip on grips, folding mirror, etc). Your second example of lock through frame & wheel would be better imo with a second u-lock connecting both wheels. I always use two u-locks and bikes survived SF/Oakland, LA, NYC and Montreal from theft. My bike is just a really pain in the ass to steal anything. I have the same saddle -- people would def cut the cable just to pinch it.
It’s good that you provide very basic instructions. Viewers might be new to riding a Brompton, or to cycling, even. And starting with the basics is brilliant. 😀
I would recommend Litelock - have a look at the RUclips videos of people trying to saw through it. Takes the longest of the bunch. I use this in conjunction with the Litelock silver ‘O’ lock around the front wheel and frame, d lock securing back wheel and frame. I don’t have a brompton, just trust issues.
Good job man, really enjoy your content. Just bought my first Brompton which is a M6L Raw Lacquer -- arriving tomorrow so trying to get up to speed how to use the bike, tips and tricks. You do a fab job explaining everything I'm thinking about for my first couple of months. Thanks! From London.
When I have been forced to lock my Brompton I have used the second method you demonstrated. There's been a few places where I have not been allowed to bring it in: a few department stores, some movie theaters, and when I go swimming to my local sporting club and I cannot attend to the bike, I leave it in the parking lot. Fortunately, there's a guard there, and besides locking it, I ask him kindly to keep an eye on it.
Haha, that is really the problem. Might be safer in the first configuration. Another idea is to add a second lock, just to make it a little more difficult for a would-be thief.
One thing you could do is put a tracker in the bike, put it under the saddle or somewhere very well hidden, that way is if the bike is stolen you can track it and get it back with the police. The apple trackers are really cheap and excellent for this.
Thank you for this video! I sometimes avoid riding my Brompton because I'm not sure where to lock it, in the case where some establishments won't let me bring it in. The tips and techniques are valuable!
Try taking it in with you, that is the major point of the Brampton i cant think of any establishment that would refuse to let you bring it in, you can even put it in its carry cover and they wont even know you have a cycle in it.
Seeing the Brampton locked up out side is enough to make fans just burst into tears And if the Brampton appreciation society found out they put together a rescue squad it would become a major news story in your area it is very rare to see a Brampton locked up outside. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.. (Laugh)
Thankyou yes l fold the bike when l lock my Brompton. Only when l visit a public toilet. People laugh at me, because l do have a disability key, so where possible l wheel the bike into the cubicle. I’ve noticed in some places, that people are monitoring my bike. (Two people were discussing its value and possibly were hoping to steal it, as they hung around the public toilet area and decided to move away when l took the bike inside the cubicle. ) Best wishes to you and all the viewers. ☺️🌈👌
What I used to do on my racing bike was detach the front wheel and take it with me in the shop, it’s amazing how doing that totally prevents bike theft…
True. The good Brompton dealers all tell you this during the instructional demo. Never leave outside, don’t leave in bad weather, always clean if gets wet.
@@StimParavane would u mind if i ask what lock do use for your brompton . Im really scared locking it outside but i usually go shopping (morrisons) near work . When i had my cheaper bike i always locked it outside that shop and no problem at all. But now with my brompton im kinda hesitant. Im planning to take off the brompton sticker just to not call the attention of people that “hey im brompton!!” Although the colour is really screaming that it’s a brompton😂😂 i got the b75 and im from uk as well . Thank you
Hanging the lock on the handlebar makes sense. An easy way to stop it swinging and knocking is to just tie the lower end to the steering upright - use any piece of string or a lace from a discarded pair of shoes.
Good tips. A friend of mine had his electric Brompton stolen (he had locked it using the most expensive kryptonite u lock) it was gone within the hour. Unless I was going inside somewhere for less than 5 mins or my bike was constantly in view I would never risk locking it outside.
I feel sorry for him! Unfortunately bike theft is very common, specially in countries with a lot of biking infrastructure. Nothing can stop a bike thief with an electric angle grinder.
Everyday Cycling I agree. I’m in London UK. This Brompton theft was videoed in broad daylight outside a school I sometimes work at. Shocking. ruclips.net/video/iLQFjXR_ggc/видео.html Ps seems much more civilised where you are 😀
I lock my brompton entirely folded with the lock going through both wheels and frame and then the bike post too with the extra long New York kryptonite M18.
I know this video is over a year old but here's a couple of lesser known top tips that might be useful: 1)Leave your bike in a high gear. It makes it more difficult to pedal away quickly. 2)Spin your seat post around backwards. Again it makes riding it off quickly more difficult. 3)Use several different types of locks. A thief is unlikely to carry a bunch of different tools, an angle grinder for example is good for cutting shackle locks but not so good for cables. 4)Try to secure your bike in an awkward, high up position. Tools like bolt cutters are much more difficult to use above your head because you can't use your body weight as leverage. 👍
Ya it's absolutely mandatory that your lock is well above the height where a guy can use the leverage of the ground with a bolt cutter. Most criminals are carrying bolt cutters because they are silent and super fast if you give them the right angle to work with. The 2nd thing you gotta make sure of is you do as much as you can to fill up the inside of the U Lock so they can't use a long metal pole or rebar to pop off the lock. Lastly, for any bike of high value like a Brompton, you have to buy an angle grinder resistant lock. These kryptonite locks are still currently worthless against angle grinders.
I use a good quality D lock too when I have to leave the bike outside. If riding without a bag, then I lay it on the rear rack, as the locking bar part of the lock fits in the 'niche' at the front of the rack. It can then be held in place using the 2 elastic straps, thereby saving the need to have a lock swinging abut when riding! Cheers.
Things like anti-theft skewers or even putting a little magnet in the seatpost bolt to make it hard to get a wrench in there also help. I've also taken to putting an ugly saddle cover over my saddles to make the bike look cheaper. Never had a single noticeable theft attempt. Of course locking a bike in a very visible and high traffic area also helps.
Magnet in seatpost bolt doesn’t work. If they have the hex to remove the screw, it takes the magnet out. As if it wasn’t there. I just tried since it seemed a good idea and unfortunately if they don’t have the hex key the are not after your saddle but perhaps your entire bike.
When it comes to bike locking, it doesn't have to be perfect, just obviously harder than the lock the other guy is using. If there's a place you park often, try leaving a good locking system there. When I was doing a lot of research at a university library, I had a very thick chain and sturdy lock in their under-cover bike storage area. Leaving it there made sense. It was far too heavy to carry about with me. The advantage of a chain is that you can quickly loop it through all the major elements of your bike.
I have the same lock - we call then D locks in the UK! I have the extending seat post and tend to take my seat and short extension with me on the very rare times I leave my bike.
This might be minor but would render the bike uselss if stolen. Remove the 2 hinge screw bolts and keep it with you. in case someone cuts the lock., they would have to carry it. they can't unfold and keep the shape... they will probably just dump it once they realize it is useless....
Cablelocks can easily be cut with simple pliers. I can also recommend OnGuard-locks, ABUS may be secure, but they don't allow women in leading positions for religious reasons, keep that in mind.
Very informative and handy tips i have just purchased a foldable bike, so am just getting myself all up to speed with tips and the best ways to lock my bike. I will be subscribing to your channel. Happy riding ❤
Good video. I’ve been doing exactly ‘Method 2 ‘ for the last 2 years on my M3L at various places in London. I use a Kryptonite New Yorker and a coiled cable lock for the seat post. I never leave the Brompton locked outside for more than 2-3 hours though. An obviously in a place where there’s lots of footfall if possible
@@allanb2906 Yeap I do, mostly Central London in places with high footfall. Again, never for than 2-3 hours. My Brompton is quite old now. If I had a newer or Electric one I'd consider buying a Litelok X1 which is resistant to angle grinders
@Najeebster Thanks. Yes I've been watching a few review videos of the X1/X3 and they look like that's the way to go if you need to leave unattended for the shortest of times. Thanks again for your reply.
I dangle my U-lock on the handlebars, and there have been enough times where it would jump up and out of place, so now I use a garden wire (wire wrapped in silicone or some kind of rubber) that I wrapped around my front basket (would be head tube, in your case), and the other end I secure around the shaft of the lock.
@@mattbalajadia I'm so curious about the B75. To my understanding it's just the geometry that is a bit older, but it has all the same features as the more expensive ones. You're gonna love it!
Matt Balajadia please let me know what you think of your B75 when you get it,I have been thinking of getting one myself but still saving the pennies at the moment 😉
And a Brompton Electric is $3500. I would bring it in with me even if I was explicitly told I couldn't. If confronted, I'd just tell them how much the bike is worth, and I'd expect they'd understand.
My first Brompton was stolen in central London. I used a Kryptonite New York D lock just like yours to secure it in a bike rack under a CCTV camera. This bike D lock was as good as cheese. Luckily my house insurance paid quickly for a replacement Brompton which I now do not let out of my sight when riding it away from home. I now also use Abus Granite D-locks instead. I wouldn't touch Kryptonite locks with a barge pole, certainly not lock up any of my bike(s) with them because Kryptonite locks are rubbish.
I use a mixture of both Abus and Kryptonite. Much bigger Kryptonite that what he used here. The extra weight doesn't bother me as electric. A Dutch woman told me to triple lock any bike as a deterrent. With a Brompton, I'd say put as many locks on it as possible! I haven't locked it outside yet but I have locked it indoors. Yes that's right bikes get stolen from work places that you think are secure but aren't really.
Bonjour, toujours content de voir tes vidéos l ami, toujours des bon trucs et bon conseil 🙂Mon brompton,je ne l attacherai jamais,car les Brompton sont trop convoité par les voleurs......
Best strategy. I learned this to my cost. The first and only time I had to leave it outside, locked up with a Kryptonite New York D lock out side London University in Malet Street, central London, it was stolen. Underneath a CCTV camera as well. Kryptonite D locks are CRAP!!!!
Excellent stuff, thank you. I have a Pitlock on the front wheel (with a Schmitt SON generator), so I folded the rear wheel and passed an Abus folding lock through the rear wheel and the rack/object it was tied to; it is too tight to remove the wheel and walk away with the frame & the rest of the bike. The saddle (Brookls B17Special) is unaccounted for, of course; so, after a few times, I decided never to lock it outside. (Brompton M6R Ti 2012)
Hi Victor, thanks for this super helpful video! I'm in the market for a Brompton, and after watching this video I was wondering if you could tell me some examples of those times you absolutely had to lock up the bike outside? Thanks!!
Absolutely! Places that have asked me to leave the bike outside are a bank, a movie theater, a health centers and a museum. I've taken it into banks, movie theaters and health centers before though, so it's not a hard rule. Really depends on the security personnel.
Another brilliant video! I very rarely lock my B in town but I have two LiteLok Silver Secure locks which can be used singly or together to form a very long loop or two interlocking loops. I use them in rural areas to lock to trees or solid gate posts. Not as secure as the NY U-lock but has more opportunities for use.
I get why people think the 3rd configuration is too eye catching but honestly it's the best way. With 2 U Locks you can lock both wheels to a smaller security bar like this and onto itself. You could just throw a simple bike cover on it too and 99/100 people won't even notice it. My city is full of crappy worthless bi-fold bikes so if someone did notice a covered folded bike they would likely just assume it's one of those.
One of the Brompton's greatest features is the fact that you can fold it up and bring it with you, while simultaneously raising your middle finger to bike thieves. No way l'm locking it up. It goes with me, or I go home with it.
But there are places that you just cannot take it with you. For examples, most American campus, most Chinese subways, some American parks, and the gyms I go to which have bike rooms but before security check in so everybody could go in to grab it.😅
I'd never leave my Brompton outside - far too valuable. I'd cycle back home. I only use ABUS locks. Brooks saddles are valuable and a thief would definitely go to the trouble of stealing one.
@@prw56 I find it pretty annoying to have to unfold and wheel the Brompton around clothes shops, especially in a shopping centre etc. I normally just use another bike if planning to do this, but I sometimes feel it's worth me getting insurance for the Brompton for peace of mind.
Just got my Brompton today in the nyc store. Peter, who does demonstration videos for Brompton I believe he is the media manager assisted me! I had the cute smart guy from RUclips! Everyone is great there. I love your videos and I told everyone about your channel. the technician was impressed. I had to get a seat cover gel or foam Not a fan of the seat comfort. Other than that I was zipping along. I did have intermittent battery issues. We’ll see .the button wasn’t responsive. Getting used to folding. Tricky but I’ll get it. Come to nyc!
Yeah I'll look up or call ahead to see if i can bring in my brompton in with me if im not sure cause i would never want to leave it lock outside. Their are new ways to break the locks and with many people around thiefs will still go for it.
For my travel, Lightweight Brompton, I have bought some different wire cables to bring. Just entering a store, I hopefully won't need that much, but I have also a double loop, thick wire, for a little more heavy jobs, both locking wheels, frame and a nearby pole! But don't leave it outside, as it is double the price of an ordinary bike.
Great stuff. One other thing... get some *insurance*... the two bikes I had stolen... one was from my closet in my bedroom, and the other was from my cubicle at work... so... Also, try not to get so attached to your bikes... this can be hard, but unless you're going to keep it with you at all times, there's no guarantees... Bromptons rule! ;-)
At home my renters insurance covers personal belongings, and at work I keep it locked under my desk (not with a u-lock haha, just a simple cable lock and padlock). Sorry to hear you got two bikes stolen!
I have bike insurance... Because London. High possibility that someone actually mugs me while I'm riding her. Hard to get into my flat/apartment/home. Three secure doors and window locks on the first floor. Been here 5 years no break ins. The other thing is I don't have a set routine so it's hard to identify when I will be home. As for work... Brontë(yes that's her name) gets triple locked with Abus and Kryptonite at my workplace inside! If my locker was bigger, I would put her in there too!
Hi again Victor, I wondered if you had heard anything from GoRack about the availability of their M2? I joined the list to be informed of availability and William Ho of GoRack emailed that the estimate was early November. I've heard nothing - now 2 months later and wondered if you'd heard anything? Best wishes, Robert ps I had the local Brompton bike shop do your modification to a Titanium kick stand and yep, it has increased stability and works well - thanks for the tip video! Note you need the right drill bit for Ti. Also unscrewing the hex screw exposed what appeared to be a tiny metal spring that may have acted to help keep the screw tight since it seemed to follow the threads and was way too flimsy to act as any kind of sprng. Anyway, they added a washer on the outside to help stabilize it all after this little spring got bashed up during removal.
Some notes about U-locks: The one advantage of Kryptonite is their Theft Protection Plan. For just $35 for 5 years they will reimburse you if your bike is stolen for the base price (not accessories or upgrades) of the bike if you supply a police report and a picture of the broken lock. No other lock maker offers this AFIAK. u-locks up to 14mm can be defeated by bolt cutters and all locks (with the caveated possible exception of the lifelok) can be cut by angle grinders in a minute or less. this includes 16mm locks like the Kryptonite New York and 18mm Foggetaboutit.
I have a great system for locking my brompton outside; remembering that thieves carry angle grinders and brompton's are No 1 on their shopping list, it's something that never happens.
Im here again because I when I'm out and about I always struggle to go and use public toilets. Folding it and bringing it with me just to use the urinal for 2mins tops is just too much hassle.
Another idea (I didn't test because i own a brompton since only one week) : Removing the screw of the frame will make impossible for anyone to ride the bike... The only solution is to hold it while walking, and it can gives time to identify the theft...
It'd have been so cool if you had actually mentioned how you did lock yours the times you said you had to leave it outside. You mentioned you don't advice locking it totally folded, so how was your way?
my best tip : never leave your bike unattended , a cordless grinder can go through these locks in under a minute, GUARANTEED YOU WILL LOSE YOUR BIKE it’s just a matter of time , forget even owning a lock keep your bike with you at all times
The attraction of a Brompton to thieves might be lessened by creating a plastic tube that snaps over the "Brompton" label on the frame, replacing it with a name that sounds like a cheap Chinese/Walmart ripoff. It wouldn't work with the more bike savvy thieves but it might help with the stupider ones.
Thank you! Absolutely, for this video I used a Canon G7x for all shots and audio is captured with a lavalier microphone attached to a Zoom H1n recorder. Sometimes I connect it to my phone and results are also good. I sync everything later in post!
I'm glad I could be of help! I must specify that the G7x that I use is the Mark II. The newer Mark III is more expensive and people are having many autofocus problems, so stay away from that one. If I were to buy a camera today, I'd go with the Sony ZV-1 for this "vlogging/travel" type of camera. Cheers!
after locking it up like the way you showed, wrap the entire bike with a regular black garbage bag and most people probably wouldn't even realize there's a bike
I looked it up and it seems like a good option. However, I want to be able to quickly adjust the saddle height, position, etc. Using a Hexlox limits my ability to do that without a tool, if I understood the concept correctly.
This is my main concern for buying a Brompton. I don't need it to commute to work but I would love to have a bike that's easy to take on the train and then ride to go visit castles and nature parks that are usually only accessible by car. However I can't take the bike with me into historical buildings so I would have to lock it outside. Considering how expensive they are, it would be just aweful if it got stolen. I'm not sure I if the convenience if offers outways the financial risk.
Can you tell me what kind of shirt you are wearing in this clip. I too am a Brompton user. Love your videos. btw, what do you study and where in the US are you?
Given the scarcity and value of Bromptons at the moment, I would not take the risk of leaving that bike unattended, ever. This is a bike a thief would work very hard to steal.
Hi Victor. A great video. Like all of us I'm really enjoying your channel. I just have a simple question for you. What camera/phone/selfie stick set up do you use for filming when cycling on the Brompton? Thanks very much. Gus.
Thanks for the seat locking tip. Honestly, after all the videos of theft I've seen, I'm carrying 2 U-locks, 1 being angle grinder resistant too. I'm not even using a real Brompton that you can find for 350 Euros in China which is practically worthless for a thief who thinks he is stealing something worth 1700+ Euros. But thanks to EU courts blocking Brompnots from being directly sold in the EU we all have to suffer with our bikes being targeted despite the Brompton patent expiring 🙄 🙄 🙄 Excellent logic!
Absolutely, the dimpa bag is an awesome option for many occasions when the bike would not be allowed otherwise. I'll make sure to mention it a next video!
Oh, yes, my friend. It is different in the US. When your stuff is stolen, the victim is often blamed because he wasn’t careful enough to protect his belongings from theft. You can get jacked before you know it.
@@gregnixon1296 I do lock it up with a large ABUS chain that my insurance company recommended. I assume bike thieves know which locks are too much trouble.
Hey Anil, I bought it in the Netherlands, because at the time I didn't live here. I'm not aware of any Brompton dealers in GA. I know REI sells basic Bromptons, but it's online. The closest dealer that should actually have a bunch of different models for you to test ride is in Nashville.
Unless you are living in a Brompton hub like London or Barcelona, where Bromptons are easy to sell, you are most likely overdoing it. In most cities Bromptons will just go unnoticed by thieves. Anyway, great tips!
I Uninstall pedal and saddle in parking lot before I leave it alone. I've setup camcorder in background and I see the one just looking but don't want to remove it. If they try everyone know that is stolen one because no pedal and saddle, right
You are so much more helpful than the salesperson in my local Brompton junction, who tried to shut me down when I asked him for tips on locking the bike when I have to do it.
Honesty these guys are braindead in thinking we can just waltz into any place with a bike and I don't want to carry a 13kg anchor everywhere I go.
Insurance + approved lock + a picture every time you lock your bike to make claiming easier is my way to go. Or the budget-friendly way of leaving a note asking thives to leave the broken Kryptonite on the scene so you can get Kryptonite to reimburse you.
Someone tried to steal mine a few years ago in the centre of Dudley,unfortunately he got a bit of a punch in the mouth and was still unconscious when I rode away (shame)
What a shame, hope your hand wasn’t scratched by his teeth.
I think in the last year I have locked my Brompton outside my destination once (Uni campus dentist, next to their CCTV).
I have a shoulder-bag for the buses, bars and restaurants who don't like to see a folding bike.
This channel is a real gift. Useful, thoughtful (and often ingenious) info, well produced and presented enthusiastically. Thanks for making these excellent videos.
I received my 2020 Brompton electric a few weeks ago and also had a question about locking outside. It appears keeping the bike with me at all times is the way to go, but thank you for the very informative video. Thanks, Chris
Absolutely, keep it with you whenever possible!
That's why you get a folding bike
Recent sub, love your channel. I use Pitlock (German company) for my wheel skewer locks, seatpost binder and also Hexlox on all my allen key bolts (saddle rails, stem, oury slip on grips, folding mirror, etc). Your second example of lock through frame & wheel would be better imo with a second u-lock connecting both wheels. I always use two u-locks and bikes survived SF/Oakland, LA, NYC and Montreal from theft. My bike is just a really pain in the ass to steal anything. I have the same saddle -- people would def cut the cable just to pinch it.
NEVER leave you beloved Brommie locked outside. There's also vandals to consider as well as thieves.
you deserve more subsribers. great video, content, audio and tips! cheers
Thank you Reimon, it really means a lot!
It’s good that you provide very basic instructions. Viewers might be new to riding a Brompton, or to cycling, even. And starting with the basics is brilliant. 😀
I would recommend Litelock - have a look at the RUclips videos of people trying to saw through it. Takes the longest of the bunch.
I use this in conjunction with the Litelock silver ‘O’ lock around the front wheel and frame, d lock securing back wheel and frame. I don’t have a brompton, just trust issues.
Good job man, really enjoy your content. Just bought my first Brompton which is a M6L Raw Lacquer -- arriving tomorrow so trying to get up to speed how to use the bike, tips and tricks. You do a fab job explaining everything I'm thinking about for my first couple of months. Thanks! From London.
Welcome aboard! It must have arrived by now. What are your initial impressions? I'm sure you'll love it!
When I have been forced to lock my Brompton I have used the second method you demonstrated. There's been a few places where I have not been allowed to bring it in: a few department stores, some movie theaters, and when I go swimming to my local sporting club and I cannot attend to the bike, I leave it in the parking lot. Fortunately, there's a guard there, and besides locking it, I ask him kindly to keep an eye on it.
Many thanks from Germany/Sweden for your great Brompton Tips and Tricks!
But the last configuration is: Look at me, I'm Brompton - I'm very expensive.
Absolutely. Haha it's good to see that it's doable, but as I say in the video, I wouldn't recommend doing this on the streets.
Yeah better to get a dahon instead.
Haha, that is really the problem. Might be safer in the first configuration. Another idea is to add a second lock, just to make it a little more difficult for a would-be thief.
Never feel peaceful to leave it outside whatrver the method.... 😅
One thing you could do is put a tracker in the bike, put it under the saddle or somewhere very well hidden, that way is if the bike is stolen you can track it and get it back with the police.
The apple trackers are really cheap and excellent for this.
Thank you for this video! I sometimes avoid riding my Brompton because I'm not sure where to lock it, in the case where some establishments won't let me bring it in. The tips and techniques are valuable!
Glad it helped!
Try taking it in with you, that is the major point of the Brampton i cant think of any establishment that would refuse to let you bring it in, you can even put it in its carry cover and they wont even know you have a cycle in it.
@@yell50 where do you reside? In my country I couldn't even take my Brompton into a nursing home filled with wheelchairs the same size as my bike.
Seeing the Brampton locked up out side is enough to make fans just burst into tears
And if the Brampton appreciation society found out they put together a rescue squad
it would become a major news story in your area
it is very rare to see a Brampton locked up outside. Thanks for sharing your thoughts..
(Laugh)
Thankyou yes l fold the bike when l lock my Brompton. Only when l visit a public toilet. People laugh at me, because l do have a disability key, so where possible l wheel the bike into the cubicle. I’ve noticed in some places, that people are monitoring my bike. (Two people were discussing its value and possibly were hoping to steal it, as they hung around the public toilet area and decided to move away when l took the bike inside the cubicle. ) Best wishes to you and all the viewers. ☺️🌈👌
What I used to do on my racing bike was detach the front wheel and take it with me in the shop, it’s amazing how doing that totally prevents bike theft…
Very sensible approach - and what I took away is use the locks and cables to create extra deterrent and if you can, keep the bike with you.
Tips on locking your Brompton outside:
1. You don't lock it outside
True. The good Brompton dealers all tell you this during the instructional demo. Never leave outside, don’t leave in bad weather, always clean if gets wet.
Noo don't do it !!!
After getting the brompton cover, I’ve been able to avoid the situation in places that gave me a hard time about my brompton which is rare.
I've locked my Brompton outside in the UK for about 15 years with no problems. Is it different in the US?
@@StimParavane would u mind if i ask what lock do use for your brompton . Im really scared locking it outside but i usually go shopping (morrisons) near work . When i had my cheaper bike i always locked it outside that shop and no problem at all. But now with my brompton im kinda hesitant. Im planning to take off the brompton sticker just to not call the attention of people that “hey im brompton!!” Although the colour is really screaming that it’s a brompton😂😂 i got the b75 and im from uk as well . Thank you
Hanging the lock on the handlebar makes sense. An easy way to stop it swinging and knocking is to just tie the lower end to the steering upright - use any piece of string or a lace from a discarded pair of shoes.
Good tips. A friend of mine had his electric Brompton stolen (he had locked it using the most expensive kryptonite u lock) it was gone within the hour. Unless I was going inside somewhere for less than 5 mins or my bike was constantly in view I would never risk locking it outside.
I feel sorry for him! Unfortunately bike theft is very common, specially in countries with a lot of biking infrastructure. Nothing can stop a bike thief with an electric angle grinder.
Everyday Cycling I agree. I’m in London UK. This Brompton theft was videoed in broad daylight outside a school I sometimes work at. Shocking.
ruclips.net/video/iLQFjXR_ggc/видео.html
Ps seems much more civilised where you are 😀
@@jacc88888 a lot of people here in Atlanta don't even know folding bikes exist... Seriously.
Everyday Cycling maybe that’s a good thing!
Did he have it insured with kryptonite's protection? Was he refunded?
I lock my brompton entirely folded with the lock going through both wheels and frame and then the bike post too with the extra long New York kryptonite M18.
I know this video is over a year old but here's a couple of lesser known top tips that might be useful:
1)Leave your bike in a high gear. It makes it more difficult to pedal away quickly.
2)Spin your seat post around backwards. Again it makes riding it off quickly more difficult.
3)Use several different types of locks. A thief is unlikely to carry a bunch of different tools, an angle grinder for example is good for cutting shackle locks but not so good for cables.
4)Try to secure your bike in an awkward, high up position. Tools like bolt cutters are much more difficult to use above your head because you can't use your body weight as leverage.
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It would be comically hilarious to use a tree to lock your bike
Ya it's absolutely mandatory that your lock is well above the height where a guy can use the leverage of the ground with a bolt cutter. Most criminals are carrying bolt cutters because they are silent and super fast if you give them the right angle to work with. The 2nd thing you gotta make sure of is you do as much as you can to fill up the inside of the U Lock so they can't use a long metal pole or rebar to pop off the lock. Lastly, for any bike of high value like a Brompton, you have to buy an angle grinder resistant lock. These kryptonite locks are still currently worthless against angle grinders.
I use a good quality D lock too when I have to leave the bike outside. If riding without a bag, then I lay it on the rear rack, as the locking bar part of the lock fits in the 'niche' at the front of the rack. It can then be held in place using the 2 elastic straps, thereby saving the need to have a lock swinging abut when riding! Cheers.
Things like anti-theft skewers or even putting a little magnet in the seatpost bolt to make it hard to get a wrench in there also help. I've also taken to putting an ugly saddle cover over my saddles to make the bike look cheaper. Never had a single noticeable theft attempt.
Of course locking a bike in a very visible and high traffic area also helps.
I like the magnet idea! How do you put one in the seatpost?
Magnet in seatpost bolt doesn’t work. If they have the hex to remove the screw, it takes the magnet out. As if it wasn’t there. I just tried since it seemed a good idea and unfortunately if they don’t have the hex key the are not after your saddle but perhaps your entire bike.
When it comes to bike locking, it doesn't have to be perfect, just obviously harder than the lock the other guy is using. If there's a place you park often, try leaving a good locking system there. When I was doing a lot of research at a university library, I had a very thick chain and sturdy lock in their under-cover bike storage area. Leaving it there made sense. It was far too heavy to carry about with me. The advantage of a chain is that you can quickly loop it through all the major elements of your bike.
Dutch lady told me to triple lock it. Chain and D lock with two different brands. But still haven't locked mine outside yet.
I have the same lock - we call then D locks in the UK! I have the extending seat post and tend to take my seat and short extension with me on the very rare times I leave my bike.
This might be minor but would render the bike uselss if stolen. Remove the 2 hinge screw bolts and keep it with you. in case someone cuts the lock., they would have to carry it. they can't unfold and keep the shape... they will probably just dump it once they realize it is useless....
Great video. Please have a look at the Abus Bordo 6000 Alarm. It's very versatile, secure and convenient!
I only did it twice and I never saw anyone locking their Brompton outside here 🙂 Thanks for the tips though. 👍🏼
I suggest if you lock it folded, would help to cover it with some kind of covering. Just to add another layer of prevention.
That's great advice! When I locked it folded is usually indoors somewhere. On the streets I wouldn't do it...
I bought the poncho that goes over it. Hangs off the back of the seat
Thieves be like "I wonder what's in there".
Cablelocks can easily be cut with simple pliers. I can also recommend OnGuard-locks, ABUS may be secure, but they don't allow women in leading positions for religious reasons, keep that in mind.
Very informative and handy tips i have just purchased a foldable bike, so am just getting myself all up to speed with tips and the best ways to lock my bike. I will be subscribing to your channel. Happy riding ❤
Good video. I’ve been doing exactly ‘Method 2 ‘ for the last 2 years on my M3L at various places in London. I use a Kryptonite New Yorker and a coiled cable lock for the seat post. I never leave the Brompton locked outside for more than 2-3 hours though. An obviously in a place where there’s lots of footfall if possible
Thanks for sharing your experience! I lock the same way most of the times, and don't leave it for more than 2h either.
Looking to buy a Brompton here in the UK and wondering if you still leave it locked occasionally in London?
@@allanb2906 Yeap I do, mostly Central London in places with high footfall. Again, never for than 2-3 hours. My Brompton is quite old now. If I had a newer or Electric one I'd consider buying a Litelok X1 which is resistant to angle grinders
@Najeebster Thanks. Yes I've been watching a few review videos of the X1/X3 and they look like that's the way to go if you need to leave unattended for the shortest of times. Thanks again for your reply.
I dangle my U-lock on the handlebars, and there have been enough times where it would jump up and out of place, so now I use a garden wire (wire wrapped in silicone or some kind of rubber) that I wrapped around my front basket (would be head tube, in your case), and the other end I secure around the shaft of the lock.
My Brompton will be arriving on the 21st! Thank you so much for this informative video.
Heeey, I'm excited to hear that!! Which model did you go for, colors, everything? Let me know!
@@EverydayCycling It's the B75. Very basic, though I've included some upgrades like the rack set, folding pedal, and mudguards. I'm really excited🙂
@@mattbalajadia I'm so curious about the B75. To my understanding it's just the geometry that is a bit older, but it has all the same features as the more expensive ones. You're gonna love it!
Matt Balajadia congratulations!
Matt Balajadia please let me know what you think of your B75 when you get it,I have been thinking of getting one myself but still saving the pennies at the moment 😉
A Brompton is a $1500+ investment. I would find a way to sneak it in or just go to another place (cafe, store, restaurant) that's Brompton-friendly.
Absolutely, that's one way to approach it!
And a Brompton Electric is $3500.
I would bring it in with me even if I was explicitly told I couldn't. If confronted, I'd just tell them how much the bike is worth, and I'd expect they'd understand.
My first Brompton was stolen in central London. I used a Kryptonite New York D lock just like yours to secure it in a bike rack under a CCTV camera. This bike D lock was as good as cheese. Luckily my house insurance paid quickly for a replacement Brompton which I now do not let out of my sight when riding it away from home. I now also use Abus Granite D-locks instead. I wouldn't touch Kryptonite locks with a barge pole, certainly not lock up any of my bike(s) with them because Kryptonite locks are rubbish.
I may agree with you. Thanks for posting. I had an incident also.
I use a mixture of both Abus and Kryptonite. Much bigger Kryptonite that what he used here. The extra weight doesn't bother me as electric. A Dutch woman told me to triple lock any bike as a deterrent. With a Brompton, I'd say put as many locks on it as possible! I haven't locked it outside yet but I have locked it indoors. Yes that's right bikes get stolen from work places that you think are secure but aren't really.
Bonjour, toujours content de voir tes vidéos l ami, toujours des bon trucs et bon conseil 🙂Mon brompton,je ne l attacherai jamais,car les Brompton sont trop convoité par les voleurs......
Good post but I would never leave my Bromie. If it is not allowed I I don't go in. Regards
Thanks Paul, I agree with your attitude, and I sometimes do the same thing. But I have to admit I have locked it up outside a few times...
Yeah places that don’t let you are usually craphole anyways so no big deal.
Best strategy. I learned this to my cost. The first and only time I had to leave it outside, locked up with a Kryptonite New York D lock out side London University in Malet Street, central London, it was stolen. Underneath a CCTV camera as well. Kryptonite D locks are CRAP!!!!
I've locked my Brompton outside in the UK for about 15 years with no problems. Is it different in the US?
@@EverydayCycling Why did you lock the Bromie?
Good product and appears well made. Easy to use.
Love how there are two KLR650s locked to those racks... Seriously a good moto commuter!
Excellent stuff, thank you. I have a Pitlock on the front wheel (with a Schmitt SON generator), so I folded the rear wheel and passed an Abus folding lock through the rear wheel and the rack/object it was tied to; it is too tight to remove the wheel and walk away with the frame & the rest of the bike. The saddle (Brookls B17Special) is unaccounted for, of course; so, after a few times, I decided never to lock it outside. (Brompton M6R Ti 2012)
Hi Victor, thanks for this super helpful video! I'm in the market for a Brompton, and after watching this video I was wondering if you could tell me some examples of those times you absolutely had to lock up the bike outside? Thanks!!
Absolutely! Places that have asked me to leave the bike outside are a bank, a movie theater, a health centers and a museum. I've taken it into banks, movie theaters and health centers before though, so it's not a hard rule. Really depends on the security personnel.
ramenguy never go to places that insist you leave the bicycle outside. In the UK ive never been turned away with a folded Brompton
@@bsms254 What do you do in places like clothes shops or smaller shops?
Another brilliant video! I very rarely lock my B in town but I have two LiteLok Silver Secure locks which can be used singly or together to form a very long loop or two interlocking loops. I use them in rural areas to lock to trees or solid gate posts. Not as secure as the NY U-lock but has more opportunities for use.
That is true! U-locks can be quite limited in the amount of options to lock them to!
I get why people think the 3rd configuration is too eye catching but honestly it's the best way. With 2 U Locks you can lock both wheels to a smaller security bar like this and onto itself. You could just throw a simple bike cover on it too and 99/100 people won't even notice it. My city is full of crappy worthless bi-fold bikes so if someone did notice a covered folded bike they would likely just assume it's one of those.
One of the Brompton's greatest features is the fact that you can fold it up and bring it with you, while simultaneously raising your middle finger to bike thieves. No way l'm locking it up. It goes with me, or I go home with it.
Good thinking.
But there are places that you just cannot take it with you. For examples, most American campus, most Chinese subways, some American parks, and the gyms I go to which have bike rooms but before security check in so everybody could go in to grab it.😅
@@YT-ob8wzno worriers in China because bike thief is low as Japan, so u can lock it outside in China.
I'd never leave my Brompton outside - far too valuable. I'd cycle back home. I only use ABUS locks. Brooks saddles are valuable and a thief would definitely go to the trouble of stealing one.
I wanna know what situation he would be unable to bring it with him.
IDaniel I use an ABUS lock too, it was included when I bought my bike. Seems to be very solid to me.
Check 'Lockpicking Lawyer' and his RUclips videos on Kryptonite and ABUS locks .... they're not safe.
Abus Bordo 6000 Alarm ❤️
@@prw56 I find it pretty annoying to have to unfold and wheel the Brompton around clothes shops, especially in a shopping centre etc. I normally just use another bike if planning to do this, but I sometimes feel it's worth me getting insurance for the Brompton for peace of mind.
Just got my Brompton today in the nyc store. Peter, who does demonstration videos for Brompton I believe he is the media manager assisted me! I had the cute smart guy from RUclips! Everyone is great there. I love your videos and I told everyone about your channel. the technician was impressed. I had to get a seat cover gel or foam Not a fan of the seat comfort. Other than that I was zipping along. I did have intermittent battery issues. We’ll see .the button wasn’t responsive. Getting used to folding. Tricky but I’ll get it. Come to nyc!
Peter is a Brompton legend!
@@EverydayCycling Indeed !
Yeah I'll look up or call ahead to see if i can bring in my brompton in with me if im not sure cause i would never want to leave it lock outside. Their are new ways to break the locks and with many people around thiefs will still go for it.
That's a good strategy! Do they typically know what a Brompton is?
The title should be "tips on locking your Brompton outside" 1. DON'T! 2. DON'T 3. Always take it with you.
For my travel, Lightweight Brompton, I have bought some different wire cables to bring. Just entering a store, I hopefully won't need that much, but I have also a double loop, thick wire, for a little more heavy jobs, both locking wheels, frame and a nearby pole! But don't leave it outside, as it is double the price of an ordinary bike.
In my country Indonesia, the bike price is $10.000 right now for brompton explorer series
Great video Victor. Thanks
Great video! Big help. I like your helmet, what make and model is that?
Thanks so much for all the tips you show. Question: what is the size of the Kryptonite U that you use in this video?
Great stuff. One other thing... get some *insurance*... the two bikes I had stolen... one was from my closet in
my bedroom, and the other was from my cubicle at work... so... Also, try not to get so attached to your bikes... this can be hard, but unless you're going to keep it with you at all times, there's no guarantees... Bromptons rule! ;-)
At home my renters insurance covers personal belongings, and at work I keep it locked under my desk (not with a u-lock haha, just a simple cable lock and padlock). Sorry to hear you got two bikes stolen!
I have bike insurance... Because London. High possibility that someone actually mugs me while I'm riding her. Hard to get into my flat/apartment/home. Three secure doors and window locks on the first floor. Been here 5 years no break ins. The other thing is I don't have a set routine so it's hard to identify when I will be home. As for work... Brontë(yes that's her name) gets triple locked with Abus and Kryptonite at my workplace inside! If my locker was bigger, I would put her in there too!
Hi again Victor, I wondered if you had heard anything from GoRack about the availability of their M2? I joined the list to be informed of availability and William Ho of GoRack emailed that the estimate was early November. I've heard nothing - now 2 months later and wondered if you'd heard anything? Best wishes, Robert
ps I had the local Brompton bike shop do your modification to a Titanium kick stand and yep, it has increased stability and works well - thanks for the tip video! Note you need the right drill bit for Ti. Also unscrewing the hex screw exposed what appeared to be a tiny metal spring that may have acted to help keep the screw tight since it seemed to follow the threads and was way too flimsy to act as any kind of sprng. Anyway, they added a washer on the outside to help stabilize it all after this little spring got bashed up during removal.
TAKE THE SEAT WITH YOU!
Some notes about U-locks:
The one advantage of Kryptonite is their Theft Protection Plan. For just $35 for 5 years they will reimburse you if your bike is stolen for the base price (not accessories or upgrades) of the bike if you supply a police report and a picture of the broken lock. No other lock maker offers this AFIAK.
u-locks up to 14mm can be defeated by bolt cutters and all locks (with the caveated possible exception of the lifelok) can be cut by angle grinders in a minute or less. this includes 16mm locks like the Kryptonite New York and 18mm Foggetaboutit.
I have a great system for locking my brompton outside; remembering that thieves carry angle grinders and brompton's are No 1 on their shopping list, it's something that never happens.
First Rule of Locking your Brompton Outside: You don't do it. *Brad Pitt voice*
What saddle is that? Super nice 👍🏾
Im here again because I when I'm out and about I always struggle to go and use public toilets. Folding it and bringing it with me just to use the urinal for 2mins tops is just too much hassle.
Fabulous videos! I like the leather-looking cover on the top tube; is it a Brompton product?
Good and concise tips sire cheers
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you!
Thanks so much - gotta have a back up!
Another idea
(I didn't test because i own a brompton since only one week) :
Removing the screw of the frame will make impossible for anyone to ride the bike... The only solution is to hold it while walking, and it can gives time to identify the theft...
which bottle bag you are using? thanks for the great video
It'd have been so cool if you had actually mentioned how you did lock yours the times you said you had to leave it outside. You mentioned you don't advice locking it totally folded, so how was your way?
If you put the u lock in your backpack you won't notice the weight at all as its on your back. Surprised you didn't know this?
Good work on the videos.... very useful and well made
I love your videos! Really helpful info. Thank you!
my best tip : never leave your bike unattended , a cordless grinder can go through these locks in under a minute, GUARANTEED YOU WILL LOSE YOUR BIKE it’s just a matter of time , forget even owning a lock keep your bike with you at all times
The attraction of a Brompton to thieves might be lessened by creating a plastic tube that snaps over the "Brompton" label on the frame, replacing it with a name that sounds like a cheap Chinese/Walmart ripoff. It wouldn't work with the more bike savvy thieves but it might help with the stupider ones.
“stupider ones” - Love it.
Or alternatively replacing it with the same or same-ish-looking name, like a real ripoff would
@@888SpinR I wouldn't mind a "Prompton" sticker myself.
I only lock my bike inside the office or at home that way it isn't super easy to roll off with if there's an uninvited guest
tips on locking your Brompton outside... DON'T!
Where can I find that leather around the bar? It's nice!
Hi, could you write what equipment you record your movies with? You take shots and sound very well. It promises to be an interesting channel.
Thank you! Absolutely, for this video I used a Canon G7x for all shots and audio is captured with a lavalier microphone attached to a Zoom H1n recorder. Sometimes I connect it to my phone and results are also good. I sync everything later in post!
@@EverydayCycling Thank you for the detailed information. You really make movies very good.
I'm glad I could be of help! I must specify that the G7x that I use is the Mark II. The newer Mark III is more expensive and people are having many autofocus problems, so stay away from that one. If I were to buy a camera today, I'd go with the Sony ZV-1 for this "vlogging/travel" type of camera. Cheers!
after locking it up like the way you showed, wrap the entire bike with a regular black garbage bag and most people probably wouldn't even realize there's a bike
yeah good advice. Mine is 'DON'T!'
Curious what city you're locking your bike in? In NYC/NJ you can count on having your seat stolen w/ the cables.
Hexlox are good for saddles to,prevent theft..they do them for other parts ie wheels etc
I looked it up and it seems like a good option. However, I want to be able to quickly adjust the saddle height, position, etc. Using a Hexlox limits my ability to do that without a tool, if I understood the concept correctly.
This is my main concern for buying a Brompton. I don't need it to commute to work but I would love to have a bike that's easy to take on the train and then ride to go visit castles and nature parks that are usually only accessible by car. However I can't take the bike with me into historical buildings so I would have to lock it outside. Considering how expensive they are, it would be just aweful if it got stolen. I'm not sure I if the convenience if offers outways the financial risk.
Believe you me they WILL definitely cut a cable to steal a saddle ESPECIALLY if it's a Brooks , best to just take the seat post with you.
Can you tell me what kind of shirt you are wearing in this clip. I too am a Brompton user. Love your videos. btw, what do you study and where in the US are you?
Given the scarcity and value of Bromptons at the moment, I would not take the risk of leaving that bike unattended, ever. This is a bike a thief would work very hard to steal.
Hi Victor. A great video. Like all of us I'm really enjoying your channel. I just have a simple question for you. What camera/phone/selfie stick set up do you use for filming when cycling on the Brompton? Thanks very much. Gus.
Thanks Gus! I use a Canon G7x Mark II and a Manfrotto PIXI Mini Tripod to record myself while cycling. It has superb image stabilization.
Thanks for the seat locking tip. Honestly, after all the videos of theft I've seen, I'm carrying 2 U-locks, 1 being angle grinder resistant too. I'm not even using a real Brompton that you can find for 350 Euros in China which is practically worthless for a thief who thinks he is stealing something worth 1700+ Euros. But thanks to EU courts blocking Brompnots from being directly sold in the EU we all have to suffer with our bikes being targeted despite the Brompton patent expiring 🙄 🙄 🙄 Excellent logic!
11 years ownership. Never once locked outside. Fits under any table. No need to ever leave it outside!
Why not carry a Ikea dimpa bag and place inside there and take inside?
Absolutely, the dimpa bag is an awesome option for many occasions when the bike would not be allowed otherwise. I'll make sure to mention it a next video!
Can you put the link to your u-lock?
I've locked my Brompton outside in the UK for about 15 years with no problems. Is it different in the US?
Oh, yes, my friend. It is different in the US. When your stuff is stolen, the victim is often blamed because he wasn’t careful enough to protect his belongings from theft. You can get jacked before you know it.
@@gregnixon1296 I do lock it up with a large ABUS chain that my insurance company recommended. I assume bike thieves know which locks are too much trouble.
There ought to be an ear pearcing lock siren
I can't risking leaving my 4K $$ bike unattended without that. I think is the best theft deterrent
Hi from Atlanta. Did you buy your Brompton ITP? I’m looking to try out one
Hey Anil, I bought it in the Netherlands, because at the time I didn't live here. I'm not aware of any Brompton dealers in GA. I know REI sells basic Bromptons, but it's online. The closest dealer that should actually have a bunch of different models for you to test ride is in Nashville.
Unless you are living in a Brompton hub like London or Barcelona, where Bromptons are easy to sell, you are most likely overdoing it. In most cities Bromptons will just go unnoticed by thieves. Anyway, great tips!
I Uninstall pedal and saddle in parking lot before I leave it alone. I've setup camcorder in background and I see the one just looking but don't want to remove it. If they try everyone know that is stolen one because no pedal and saddle, right
Ive noticed they come in various sizes!
What size is your U lock?