Why 3D Printing Batteries Matters
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- Опубликовано: 15 июл 2024
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Lithium mining has a devastating impact on the climate as well. we need alternatives
That 3D Printed Car
from the Movie "Minority Report", [Tom Cruise Starring for those who may not have seen it]
Isn't so far away now is it,
Elon Musk & Co are def gona buy into it.
What a pity 3D printed houses and goods are typically so goddamned ugly.
This video starts at 6:50 unless you are a noob.
Another great one. I do believe solid state batteries are going to be mainstream in cars, phones and laptops, but I don't believe 3d printing will be used to manufacture them at scale. I think it will move to conveyorbelt-like setup with spray and heat stages - so horizontal spread of 3D printing manufacturing. This will allow much less moving parts in the assembly line and more reliable production. So for prototyping, 3D printing is enabling aspects unthinkable without it. But for mass manufacturing, I don't think so.
At about the 10:00 mark, the graphics for Blackstone appeared to be more of a production line than individual 3D printers. As you said, at scale, it would be most efficient to have the print heads move on one axis and the conveyor step forward on each pass.
I do wonder about the speed at which they can print them. As Jerry pointed out, it does appear that they're building a production line looking model. Really interested to keep my eye on this as their pilot projects progress.
@@UndecidedMF This was the big thing that jumped out at me as well. How do they scale and increase production output per printer. Even if they were 100x faster than typical 3D printers, you'd need a lot of printers! Perhaps there's a big change in the manufacturing format between this and scale! Thinking about Elon mentioning that you can't actually see the production line moving at Kato Rd, eg it's a blur.
@@JerryB507 like a pharmaceutical company with lots of parallel organic chemistry setups, all making the same drug in small well controlled batches that are not able to be volume scaled into large reaction vessels for thermal control tightly & other issues // like Prusa does with their printfarms, you setup thousands of 3D printers in rows of stacked shelves, in a massive building, think like a big library filled with 3d printers all operating at the same time, making all the parts in parallel. This, like an SMR array approach to nuclear energy, enables dynamic scaling, such that if more demand generated for a product, adding more printers increases output volume of the product - demand following by massively parallel 3D printing farms //
@@steveseeger that's the beauty of 3D printers, though. You build one 3D printer to print printers specifically to print your prints. 3D printing is 100% the future.
We can always add/remove specific functions to 3D printing to for example, 3D print the parts it can, then add a liquid through another process, and finish it off in another 3D printer, etc.
And as per scaling, it's really simple; Add more printers. It really is that simple. It's not like using any other system doesn't require the exact same thing.
I would love to see a “diy” version of these 3D printed batteries, or at least someone who would be willing to make one-off battery sizes for off-grid use.
Can you 3D print a battery into the structure of a 3D printed object? If you can build the batteries into the structure, that would be pretty cool.
Matt already made a video about massless batteries, which you may be interested in - unles you have already seen it, that is. I don´t remember it being about 3D printing, but I do like your idea.
Yeah, proprietary batteries, stuff this planet needs.
yeah like if they just house 2 or 3 nozzles together, 1 for each material. they're coming up with some really cool tech
Would be pretty good up until the battery needs replaced :/
3D printing has already revolutionized manufacturing, and it's getting better every year. There's widespread adaptation and the industry is going from using them to prototype parts to actually printing the functional part. Material specialization is growing leaps and bounds, and honestly I love being a part of that. We're truly living in that "if you can dream it, you can build it" era.
Great episode. Very exciting developments in this space. I was surprised just how dense they’ve managed to make their batteries in such a short time
I'd like to know more about charge systems, rates and lifecycles for solid state batteries before jumping to conclusions. However, the ideas of less spacial constraints and more environmentally friendly materials and production is definitely a plus in my book. As with all tech, it morph's and additive is just a step on the path...we'll see eventually. Thanks especially for the history lesson on the pioneers and the decades this has been around. Happy, Safe Holidays Matt!!
For more than 10 years now, 3D printing has been seen as the next step in the production process. In my experience however, for many mass production items, 3D-printing does not offer any advantage compared to low-cost, fast production processes. 3D printing definitely has its merits in prototyping and unique or low quantity production parts.
it also have some use in reducing parts count by combining multi parts into single part, reducing screw holes and assembly time (more valuable if you include the cost saving from assembly and less waste). Technically injection molding can do that as well for way cheaper cost and speed. Although If you stretch the definition of 3D printer a bit, technically injection molding is a type of 3D printing with very specialized printing head (the mold is essentially a negative injection head basically) with a more restricted material flow direction. That's kind of a stretch but I think it's more of a spectrum from extremely specialize tool that does one thing really well and cheaply to a really generic tool that can do anything but more expensively. Going that route, I guess electro-plating is just 3D printing on the microscopic scale. You should theoretically change the electric field shape and control where the metal ion gets deposited and 3D print on a microscopic scale.
I think the issue people try to use additive manufacturing as replacement for reductive or traditional manufacturing, which is never going to work in the short term. Given how many head start year these legacy method have and these legacy processes will continue evolving. It should do its own thing where it's good at or complement existing manufacturing process.
I could see 3D printer as a good method to extend the life span of a injection mold, as each time an injection is made, a small amount of the mold get tear off, which eventually lead to tolerance error high enough to needing to discard or replace the mold. You could have a metal powder 3D printer with a position measuring head that check the mold's dimension periodically and correct the dimension error via printing on top of existing mold. So it can extend the life span of a injection of casting mold dramatically, since these molds typically extremely expensive to make and require very high volume production to amortize the cost down. Which bring out the second use, using 3D printer to build a less durable but cheaper mold. So you can combine the advantage of low operation cost of injection mold and the benefit of cheaper initial mold construction, which lower the production run needed before the mold investment is recoup. Injection molding/casting is still the king of high volume and low cost manufacturing I think for the foreseeable future.
Another use of 3D printer would be in conjunction with reductive million and drilling, you can fix the million and drilling mistake by print the material back on. Thus you can use lower precision equipment for the milling part, which lowers the initial cost of investment. Kind of how you sculpture a clay model via adding and removing, it doesn't have to be a homogeneous process. It can be a heterogeneous process that bring the strength of both process together and compensate for each other's weakness. So in case something went wrong during the milling process, you don't need to throw out the entire batch, you can repair them via 3D printing while you debug and fix the source of the initial milling error. Making the entire process more error tolerant instead of have to watch it like a hawk and make sure the milling process goes 100% right the first time. Therefore making on boarding an additional line in the factory require less attention and less stressful. People who work in cnc shop know how much a pain bring a new line up is, you not only have to measure the critical dimensions, you also need to measuring every other dimensions periodically through out the process. Otherwise a bad batch will slip through and costing you a ton.
I guess if we doing a power plant analogy, traditional manufacturing will be like the base load power, and 3D printing or additive manufacturing will be like the dynamic load that handle high variation and not constant manufacturing need. Both have a place for existing and complement each other.
I completely agree. I have yet to see a manufacturing process where 3d printing actually makes sense. If you can 3d print it, you can probably injection mold it in under a second. Waste is also less of an issue in manufacturing as the waste is usually recycled back into raw materials. I still prefer cnc milling over 3d printing as the material properties tend to be more consistent.
@@keenheat3335 hmm, i’m not a fan of stretching the definition of 3d printing in that way. The example of expanding lifetime of a mould by restoring it, is indeed a great use for 3d printing (although it still will need some post-processing). The example of restoring parts also confirms the fact that 3d-printing is less suited for mass production, but all the more for specific, unique manufacturing.
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The machine tool manufacturer Deckel Maho has a 5 axis combined 3D printer machining center. Only the 3D printer is a CNC controlled MIG welder.
I love looking at the far horizon for the work being done to develop ideas for future technologies that will drive our ability to achieve goals such as better, smaller, more powerful, cheaper, and just better for the environment! Keep up the great work Matt!
Hello Matt, excellent video.. and it is great to see all the positive comments about this particular subject and for all your work in general.
I can't imagine 3D printing not becoming integral to Future Society I think the only thing that would make a massive difference is the speed if they can make it faster much more people will adopt it
Good point. Speed is one of the limiting factors for the process.
Just add Bluetooth and blockchain to 3D printing)
Makes me think of the replicators in Star Trek. Initially I’d imagine a 3d printer in everyone’s home and instead of going to the toy store or Target, you just buy and upload the design you want from online, like through Mattel or Cuisinart or Sony, and viola!
Stores would be a thing of the past.
@@devl547 how would Bluetooth help? Genuinely curious
3D printing in the decentralisation of manufacturing
Right out the gate with false equivalence suggesting battery manufacture = reductive process.
Foils are rolled from ingots, powders crushed and liquids blended.
Rolls are used because it is the fastest way to achieve massive surface area in a compact form factor. (think electrolytic capacitor or a bolt of cloth)
No one is carving a cell (NOT battery!) from a tree, a stone or a billet of metal.
There is near zero scrap, plus scraps are fed right back into the chain.
Additive manufacturing _today_ is great for prototype work and certain geometry's that can't be achieved by more conventional processes.
But it is not only slow, it uses a lot more energy to achieve the same product.
If this process is what it appears it is more like ink jet printing than anything I think of as manufacturing.
Thanks Matt. Happy Holidays to you and yours. 🎄
Great video! Constructive critique: it would be more comprehensive if it covered recycling.
Thanks for the tip!
Very informative!
The geek in me is very excited about the solid state batteries, i was actually talking with a friend of mine in Stuttgart, Germany about this tech the other day.
Good Video! Really hope they are about to get to volume production which always seems to be the issue with solid state batteries
Very engaging video! I am interested if 3d printing could help produce more intricate solid electrolyte topologies, as this has been seen to help create a better interface between ceramic electrolytes and the electrodes (this interface is the biggest challenge for solid state batteries in my opinion). Also, I would be interested to know more about how much waste is saved using 3d printing, as batteries are not made like other components using CNC machines (which is where 3d printing as a replacement really shines). I have always used 3d printing as a prototype method and seen it more for bespoke or low volume products, so I will be looking out for it's application in mass manufacturing!
The base structure of these 3D printed shoes I got online that enhances forward motion when walking, jogging & running // flexible filament with a special structure, like the purple mattress, its a functional work of art & very comfortable & unique to wear called 4D // not everyones cup of tea, kinda flossy in terms of price, but the flare of that kind of tech sic //
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Finally someone gets it. I've been talking to my friends about this shit since 3d printing got on the market That if there was a metal 3-D printer you could literally 3-D print batteries in bulk
Fantastic video Matt! hope you're well and have a good holiday :)
Good work Matt!!!...I appreciate your videos!!👍👍😎
Great video 👍. Hope I get them in my car or home storage soon.
Great report, thanks.
i am following different channels that review new battery technologies, you are indefinitely the top 1 of all of them.
not just the content that you seem to cover super fast, but also your presentation is more relax for the eyes and ears.
and the level of the video editing is also of the higher quality, i love th animations and the transistions...
what i am wondering is, maybe it would nice to make one video more about yourself, where you are from and where you obtain your interest in battery tech and damn where do you get all these information? :) super loving your work!!
Great videos like always! Keep it up 👍🏼
Do another video on manufactured housing and Smart Homes I know it may not be crazy exciting for everybody but I find that shtuff so interesting
It's on the agenda! Been working on a smart home video concept and will be going deeper into manufactured homes this year (I'm building one).
Another great video! Using one complex technology to create another complex technology. Brilliant
Excellent job!
Looking forward to more.
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Thanks great informative and interesting.
Request a video on different battery technologies given that there are new technologies that are going through a sea of changes. For people residing in appartments this can be very useful. Specially in my part of the world where sunlight is not a problem. Great video!
Hi Matt, this is probably my first comment on your channel. I don’t see I disadvantage for this tech and if it works it might a primary source of battery production. If possible please give us a part two of this episode when the battery is tried and tested. Thank you.
Good information! I saw a tech article that said by adding a binder that lithium batteries could recharge forever! Can not find it after the fact!
this sounds game changing. even for current battery tech like li ion wow
8:07 "Double the energy in the same volume" Bold claim right there
I am glad there is competition in that market. They have to always one-up eachother, so people want to buy that specific companies batteries
Great video. Glad I discovered you !! We are working on rechargeable zinc air batteries rZAB.
Safer - cheaper - lighter etc than Li- ion.
Problem has been with electrolyte and dendrites. Solid state 3D - additive manufacturing will overcome this. We are inspired by Volta and his stack and his study of the electric eel. This baby can throw out 600 bolts ~ Biomimicry meets 3D in Australia - thank you
This looks really promising! I think I'm going to start dabbling with 3D printing myself, I didn't realize just how many potential solutions present themselves with this ability for the DIY'er. Thank you for this video.
Have fun! Glad you liked the video.
Great video, I think this will be the way of the future for batteries
Fascinating! Just another example of the cool things 3D printing can do.
Merry Xmas Matt !
❤❤ I think that before anything is approved for consumer use, it should be determined how to ether dispose of or recycle that product. 👍👍
Batteries are excellent especially whenever you can 3D print a solid state battery but you also have to be able to charge it so you going to have to also include power generation if you can 3D print solar cells with a higher efficiency and all wavelengths of light you got a hell of a generator then you got to have something to store it in and there's where the battery is come in what would be even better if you can 3D print the solar cell onto the battery and store it and generate it all in one
Solider state batteries will still be used for "basics" purposes but 3D's could be used as custom made.
Space explorations , deep dive explorations, exoskeletons(military and physical disabilities), etc.
Great news. As always, great content. 👍
In Space applications (currently) batteries must last the lifetime of the satellite (4-15 years) with huge temperature swings, radiation, etc. In Lower orbits they are charged/dicharged every 90-120 min or so = 23,000+ cycles (low orbit, 4 yrs.) In higher orbits they are exposed to high levels of radiation, but are not cycled nearly as often. These factors make it very hard for spacecraft to directly use batteries made for terrestrial applications (a cel phone gets topped off once a day for maybe a 4 year obsolecense life and can be replaced if you want to hang onto the phone = ~1460 partial cycles) ==> So a satellite battery needs to support 15x the cycles in a hostile environment. Bottom line, solid state and 3D printed batteries are a promising thrust, but the devil is in the details regarding performance for the space environment. Test, Test, and Test some more. . .
great video
I always wondered if it would make sense to release solid state batteries first in relatively small devices first like smartphones and smartwatches.
Are there plans for that too or are they all going straight for the car battery
Very good news, very well presented.
Whatever gets more energy density is a great start/product. Bring it on.
Great video. Love keeping up on tech. Thank-you for not turning this into something about global warming/climate change
Grow layer by layer. Oh Matt…you never fail to deliver with the bad puns. Keep piling them on. We appreciate it. 😂
Great content as always. Keep up the good work!
Hopefully I didn't go too overboard with the puns on this one. Some are more punny than others.
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Honestly, 3D printing is going to play a major role in manufacturing going forward. It already has influenced how we develop and design, but it's going to eek it's way to every sector soon. Housing, Automotive, Aerospace, Electronics, batteries, you name it. The end goal being nearly everything has dropped traditional manufacturing processes in favor of simply printing it in similar times, if not faster, for cheaper.
As for solid state batteries, assuming we can get them stable, efficient, and cheap, they will also play a massive role in how we store and use energy going forward. Not just for vehicles and handheld electronics, but grid storage, too.
Wouldn't it be great to have a standard battery space in phones and cars which companies could compete to fill with ever more efficient batteries?
Okay...
Battery performance is ultimately controlled by ion migration.
This technology is particularly good at creating repeating patterns of fine structures. Fine structures produce more active surface area per unit volume. Increasing active surface area within a volume means you reduce the overall distance an ion must travel. Your volume can be much smaller, allowing additional layers to be added that increase amperage.
Technology in its infancy...
Print layers of circuitry while you are at it...
Deposit layers of bent graphene and use them to absorb spikes.
This is how you get products to approach the cost of their raw materials.
Okay but were the Bosch 12v home edition drill background sounds necessary on EVERY clip of industrial production?😭😂
I think one of the most exciting things about this idea is that if it takes off, then we may be able to make our own batteries at home. 3D printing as a whole went from an expensive industrial thing to something anyone can do at home for a relatively small amount of money, and metal 3D printing is becoming more inexpensive as time passes… I think the same might happen with this tech. But imagine being able to download the design for a device battery and making your own replacements instead of having to hope someone still makes that battery, especially for odd size, shape, or capacity things
What about Dendrite growth? Will this be a problem? Great video nonetheless. Love your work.
Keep it up, nice video clip, thank you for sharing it :)
awesome as usual.
3D printing with a conventional style printer is way to slow. it should be on a printing line like the news paper are printed. So every separte layer at a diverent print station at the line.
Looks very promising because the advantage of solid state was the reduced fire risk. If this can be done at speed it could compete with current methods. It would be interesting to see what is required to do this.
Sounds like a great new tech if any of them can get down to that 1 battery/second rate, Even if not, the extra cost might be worth it for applications where high mass density is critical, like aircraft,
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Well presented.
What if circular (rings) battery which can use 1 ring layer at a time or all rings for higher current.
Beautiful, and seems to be right around the corner...
Super exciting stuff!
9:14 2.5 MWh - enough for 62 Nissan Leafs/year . Amazing!
Great vid!
Solid state sounds good if they can pull it off. Love your channel.
one potential of 3D SS batteries are that they can be built into the structure of an object. Imagine the skin or chassis of your car also being the battery. This could also make electric planes more feasible as it would drastically reduce the overall weight of the plane..
With 3d printing batteries and houses you can print the batteries into the house structure. This would allow for more energy storage and help us in the process of moving to green energy. The only issue is how does it deal with punctures and damage
Hi Matt... Great video! I have one question, what about recyclability, and disposal? Thanks, just wondering, Ron...
It will be the same issue we have now.
It looks good until you realize that it is not.
Hypercar company Koenigsegg uses 3d printing to make turbos and exhaust manifolds. pretty cool tech
I find it more interesting that people can use 3d printing to manufacture tooling which can be used to mass produce stuff
I will buy stock in one of these companies if they ever do an IPO.
Yes, I agree, another great example of technology.
Matt Ferrell . ... great job ....i really enjoy watching your videos
This is really cool stuff.
3d printing is awesome, its just something about cad-ing a part and then holding it in your hand an hour or two later that makes you feel like tony stark, even if its just a shelf bracket :D
I didn't expect them to try and go to market as soon as 2022 with these batteries, that super awesome! there's a ton more developments to be made in the 3d printed battery area for sure.
I think there will definitely be some products that will be 3d printed even at scale, i mean you can argue that microchips created with ultraviolet lithography are 3d printed in a sense.. for a certain type of tiny, stacked very complicated shapes, it's very useful
This is very promising. Good energy density, lightweight, resilient, competitive cost (at scale). What's the downside? Power density? Time to Scale? Something else??
Based on your video, sounds like companies to invest in
The first thing I did when I got my 3d printer was print parts for it; then I used it to print a printer lol. I still have it on my shelf haha.
Great video, really random question though, what is the song playing at 1:24? I imagine it’s from epidemic sounds but it’s tough to find since they have such a large song library
Yep, all Epidemic Sound music. That's Blue Lantern - Yi Nantiro.
Ha! The 3D printed boat clip is from my work! Ingersoll machine tools. We have a huge printer called the master print.
I'd be curious to know what countries we'd be dependent on for the chemicals used in the production of Solid State batteries.
That's a great question!
Think if they can eventually get this up to the level that ev’s can use hopefully with a better effective life. Batteries can be integrated into the parts of the car ! Potentially doubling the range for an equal weight if batteries . The car might still end up lighter from integrating them into parts . Although how it’s charged as well as wiring would change! Even if you had to have an additional charge port on the car say for a duel battery packs like duel gas tanks on trucks . The thought of getting 600 plus miles a charge and being able to quick charge 2 batteries at the same time for a little more range could easily get you where you could drive for 12 hours straight then recharge overnight at a hotel. Assuming that equal capacity of current batteries so anything better like quicker charging or larger capacity per weight of battery would be added bonus!
True but how much better "effective" life do they need to get? Teslas batteries are already seeing better than 1500 charge cycles. At 400 miles per charge cycle that's 600,000 miles and that's just until the capacity is down to perhaps 70% of the original capacity. The energy density is where I'm hoping to see big improvements. If the energy density of these 3D printed SSB's are increased to 400 kWh/kg or better then (for any given capacity), they will be at least 40% lighter than the present technology. Even with Tesla's new 4680 batteries you're looking at close to 500 miles range in a Model "S" Long Range for a 100kWh pack. I'm pretty sure we'll see 600 miles per charge (probably with a 150 kWh pack), within two years. With such range a sub 15 minute charge time won't be necessary since even an hour won't bother someone that's been on the road for 12 straight hours.
Subtractive manufacturing (stamping, machining) really doesn't produce waste. The processes produce high value scrap materials with very high recovery rates. Plus the different materials are segregated to a large degree. Scrap steel from stamping operations typically will get run thru a compactor to reduce volume resulting denser scrap that gets sold on to steel plants. Steel is still one of the largest recycled items worldwide
my 2 favorite things in one video!
I think when each order is individualised printing will make sense to switch to. Also if things were built to last a life time, production speed won't be very important and you would have one machine making multiple things to order as opposed to mass pre-order.
As always, the best, intellectually stimulating content. If only I could invest in companies like Sakuu as a retail investor 😅
2:35 I am not sure if these are added sounds, if so it annoy me. Great content though :)
3D printing can mean a lot of things. The example of a 3D printed house, wold be different from custom shapes and parts. As for solid state batteries, it would have be defect free. It would have to be a very high standard. As for mass manufacturing, I can't see it for mass market EV's. But the energy density of these batteries maybe suitable for some speciality applications, e.g. eVTOL's?
Awesome video
Love the content
Super curious if solid-state batteries are more or less temperature tolerant than LiPo? My dash cam's battery died the first year because Nebraska gets both too hot AND too cold for traditional batteries.
Battery technologies typically score well on one out of three characteristics: lifetime, loading speed and capacity. It us easy to be good and cheap on one of them. Does this one perform adequate on lifetime and loading speed?
Can you do a video on 'Graphene Aluminum Ion' batteries. I think the companies name is GMG Batteries in Australia.
Would be great if they could print straight onto a PCB - longer battery life of phones or other equipment. Prismatic lithium batteries are lagging behind the cylindrical ones. Not good if the battery fails and needs replacement though!
OMG finely! I have been SAYING this since 3d printers first got on the market!!!!
If you are going to build a million of something, it is most likely better to have a specialized machine for it than a to have a universal assembler (3d printer) do it. 3d-printers are good for prototyping and low number productions (and as von Neumann-probe to colonize the galaxy).
This is an awsum choice of battery storage this should be used and improve cheaper electric supply and store energy from solar and wind is always good
Investing in this should be a must for investors and governments
Glass GPUs... powered by LCD light, therefore never overheats, but... said to be ultra-expensive for some unknown reason.
I'm a firm believer that additive manufacturing is the future of manufacturing. It may not be as good for mass production as something like injection molding is for plastic, but as we research it we get more uses for it like what you show here. I feel like there's a lot more we will do with additive manufacturing going forwards and the more common it becomes the cheaper it will be
Isn't injection molding additive manufacturing?