Another fun fact about 1-1 is that alternative murderer victim pair was Yasuhiro and Hifumi, two characters who were least liked by devs personality-wise. So either way, devs just wanted to throw their least favorite characters out of window ASAP and that is kind of great.
For the 17th case, you forgot that Hiyoko's death wasn't actually explained nor really investigated, we don't even know which weapon she was killed with !
Frisk D34 True, while it felt like Ibuki was killed off just to get her out of the story, Hiyoko felt so shoehorned in that it doesn’t feel like they cared about her at all. Especially when you consider that originally Fuyuhiko was meant to be dead and taped to the pillar instead of Hiyoko.
@jack0392 jack0392 It's a quote from the game and I guess kind of a joke in the Fandom because when Mukuro is mentioned she is mentioned as "the 16th student"
I found a way to make 3-3 better. Kiyo pretends to join the school council, and tells angie to do the ritual to summon atua and the case goes on like normal. Now dosent that make so much more sence tell is i got any holes tho i dont want to look egotistical
Ok I'm gonna say something about DR2 chapter 5 trial. Nagito's motive wasn't to kill the traitor. He found out that the rest of them are Ultimate Despair BESIDES the traitor and wanted to make an impossible murder so that they would get it wrong and only the traitor would live, effectively ridding of the despair. That is why he hated them so much in Chapter 4 because he found out their real identities
but because of that, it would've allowed Junko to take over All of them. So even his intentions were betrayed by his luck. (i like to think Mokoto's luck also helped with the ending of defeating Junko)
You forgot that Dr2’s 3rd trial also given foreshadowing for the twist that the Dr2 casts was the remnants of despair, thanks to Mikan being under the despair disease
I'm gonna defend Mikans motive for her trial. Common misconception was "She got a disease that changed the way she acts." That is not what happened. Monokuma specifically says, that she caught a "Remembrance Disease", making her act like she did before she forgot her memories. Implying she was always psychotic. Which works, seeing how the cast of DR2 were all remnants of despair. Which makes that twist make more sense given the context of Mikan getting the Remembrance Disease. Is it explained well? No, not at all. But it isn't this thing that was unplanned and "Hey we just need a murderer". It does have context in the greater plot of Danganronpa 2 Edit: Uh, two months later, but I still check this thread every now and then, but 1.4k likes? Uh, you're all insane
While this is true, (DR3 spoiler I think?) Mikan's psychotic personality was a result of brainwashing, which is still a heck of a lot less interesting than her snapping due to mistreatment. It's true that we'd lose a bit of foreshadowing if Mikan's motive changed with no other changes to the story, but maybe another character with less potential to waste could catch the remembering disease, or maybe the person with the disease doesn't actually kill anyone or even becomes a victim? IDK, just some quick ideas.
@@MechaWyvern707 I think Mikan was the best choice if they were going to go with the remembering idea. Her being overtly psychotic and planning a precise murder is kind of in line with what the despair disease does. It's just that the problems are all either in the execution or the fundamental concept of altering a character's personality itself. It feels pretty cheap to have her pretty much perfectly disguise the fact that she got sick (besides trying to smother Hajime a couple of times), but it'd also be too obvious if she showed too many symptoms (similar to Celeste overacting and guiding the investigation in 1-3). I think it would work if she found a some sort of temporary solution, but was still suffering some side effects. The disease would only give her a vision of Junko, providing her with the courage to plan a murder or kill Hiyoko. As the trial goes on, she remembers more as her despair personality takes over. You'd still have everyone trying to distance themselves, but you'd make the despair disease seem less like a contrived plot device to be disposed of when it's not needed anymore. It could even have an element of tragedy, as you see the Mikan you love slowly die in front of you. Monokuma would use this to prove it only takes a bad day to drive even the most meek person to murder, and eventually plunge them into complete despair.
@@MechaWyvern707 that's what I believe to be (one of many) problem(s) of the Despair arc. With how it's implied in DR2, it's as if Junko was so intriguing as a person, she willingly got the rest of the remnants to willingly go to despair. Bar Kamakura (been a while since I've watched it, so I might be wrong) she controlled the rest of the cast with that mind control. Which I think is stupid, and a waste of potential. Like, Nagito was so set on making sure Despair wouldn't win in DR2, and seeing him fall into Despair could've and should've been great. But nope, they all got mind controlled. This is one of the many reasons I refuse to believe End Of Hopes Peak is canon.
Alright within the span of a month I’ve played every game in the series, and I’m pretty sure that I’ve figured out the pattern of each case. Chapter 1 tries to be unexpected Chapter 2 wants to be really emotional Chapter 3 has two victims Chapter 4 the big character dies+a different concept Chapter 5 an insane character makes the case very interesting Chapter 6 cluster-fuck+endgame
I'm not quite sure what the point of this is, but: Trigger Happy Havoc Chapter 2 Toko is revealed as a serial killer Goodbye Despair Chapter 2 Peko is fake revealed as a serial killer Killing Harmony Chapter 2 Maki is revealed as an assassin
chapter 2 more has a murder commited out of a feeling of obligation or duty (and fails) Mondo: keeping the secret to keep the gang together Peko: Protecting her Master Kirumi: serving her country
@@gstellar96 I think the Ultimate Despair is kind of an acquired title after she caused the tragedy. Her real title is the ultimate analyst according to the light novels, the abilities of which she also used to become the ultimate fashionista, and to pull off the insane things she does later on. Also, her incredible gift for analysis and logic based prediction is heavily implied to be the reason she feels incredible boredom at all times. Still dumb, for sure, but it has some semblance of explanation behind it
Eh, I'll give Hifumi using Celeste's real name a pass since that blow to the head undid Junko's memory erasure. It's not hard to believe that before losing her memory, Celeste was close enough to everyone that she'd let them know her real name. What the end of that trial was missing though was Celeste pointing out to the others that she didn't remember telling Hifumi her real name, creating the mystery of how he came to know it.
Celeste directly tells everyone right at the end of the trial. She used it as the final piece of collateral to get Hifumi to help her, making him think that if something went wrong for him, he could use it as proof that it was all her idea and not his.
The funniest/saddest part of V3's 4th case is that they wouldn't have had to do the trial at all if Himiko didn't assume everyone used the same dominant hand
The trial would have still happened, it just would have been shorter. Gonta would have still been conned into murdering Miu, he would just remember it.
“The murder weapon was toilet paper” Gonta was just worried for miu cause he thought she had the coronavirus so he used toilet paper to wipe the coronavirus away from Miu and failed...... *Badly*
tbh i actually like mikans case, only because it gave more insentive for the player to think about howcome mikan is like this due to "remembering" who she used to be, so ofcourse any player would start thinking about the possibility that everyone else is just like mikan in the past.
I dont get why people say that v3 shames you for liking it, its shaming the fictional people, who in their fiction, enjoy something where actual people die.
I can't blame people for feeling that way thanks to the way it was written, it comes off as the game shaming you for being a fan of the series. Think it was too meta for it's own good.
Because people have to offended by everything. The message was never that and it's crazy that years after release people still don't understand something so simple. And also, even if it was, so what? Do people have such thin skin that they can't handle a game poking fun at them? Yeesh. It's sad.
Dude about #5 you're mistaken. Tsumugi DID NOT plan the Fifth trial in V3 at *ALL.* Kokichi had stolen her spotlight by claiming to be the mastermind forcing her to take action (creating the Flashback Lights that implicated Kokichi as the new Leader of Ultimate Despair which was entirely false as he knew nothing about the group). Remember, after Kokichi revealed the "Truth of the Outside World", NOBODY wanted to participate in the killing game anymore, as they felt it was meaningless. This is exactly what Kokichi wanted as he despised killing, and his actions were detrimental to the mastermind's plan as they wanted to continue the Killing Game for as long as possible, which is why Tsumugi created the Flashback Light, by causing the survivors to believe they were students of Hope's Peak Academy, she galvanized them into action by making them think that they had a responsibility to stop Kokichi no matter the cost... which worked in her favor as Maki nearly became the blackened and her actions forced Kaito to cooperate with Kokichi, effectively CONTINUING the Killing Game which is exactly what the mastermind wanted. Tsumugi's statement of planning everything to a T actually makes her a WORSE mastermind when you really think about it, because she gave the students their talents and personality right? Including, Korekiyo a serial killer who *exclusively murders girls* (In Chapter 3 he mentions that only Maki and Miu didn't fit his criteria *Tsumugi was not among those who were beneath his standard* ) and Kokichi is far and beyond more intelligent than Tsumugi staying one step ahead and all times and, if his motive video is to be believed, leads a group that *ACTIVELY DESPISED KILLING* oh and in the second trial it's revealed that being exposed to your motive video has the same effect as a Flashback Light (implanting false memories) which means if Kokichi didn't have that mind set at the start of the Killing Game he had one after seeing the video. Do you see where I'm going with this? That trial was obviously a result of Kokichi's meddling, after all not even MONOKUMA knew who the culprit OR victim was until after the trial and if he didn't know what makes you think Tsumugi does? So no Tsumugi planning "everything" about the Killing Game doesn't decrease the impact of any trial in V3 that statement doesn't even make SENSE in context.
Yeah, when Tsumugi said she planned it all out, I think it was because that was a last ditch effort to make the others fall into despair and give up (only to trust in hope).
@@zdyner3896 I don't think she was completely bluffing when she said she had planned everything. Remember, she knew of Kaede's plan to take out the mastermind and when the shot put ball failed to kill Rantaro, she had to kill him herself
@@WolfRider2002 I don't believe Tsumugi had a script written for everything. With Kaede, the cameras obviously recorded her actions. But Kokichi used electro bomb to disable them and that's why even Monokuma didn't know anything. And why would Monokuma and Tsumugi not share knowledge?
20:08 NO THAT'S WRONG! Hifumi, on the edge of death, remembers everything that happened before the whole "tragedy" thing, and before that, the 78th class were all friends, so ofcourse Celeste would've revealed her real name to everyone.
@@genericyoutubecommentchann7418 Hifumi addresses his classmates with their last name. When he said "Yaushiro" it couldnt have been Hagakure since that was his first name. Therefore, he said someone else's last name.
Mikan's motive wasn't that she got a disease that changed her personality she got a disease that made her remember everything. You know? The final twits of the game. Kokichi's plan wasn't part of Tsumigi's. As he learns what is really going on and intends to end it himself. Everything else was her plan but this wasn't.
Squirtle is life ... I don‘t get what you want to say? if you mean tsumugi, she reacted like everyone else. why? because she was always playing a role. but on the other hand, during the trial, she reacted super shocked, when Shuichi even brought the possibility of kaito being the one who lived on the table...
I feel as if not enough people give Hiyoko as a character much credit. She is a person who is brutally honest and is ridiculously bad at lying (as showcased in the second class trial). She is a character that starts off in despair trusting absolutely everybody and treating them like shit until she starts hanging out with Mahiru, who gives her a glimmer of hope as her newfound friend, who she deeply cared about. This had finally gotten her to start climbing out of that despair and into happiness. Until all of a sudden Mahiru, her only friend is killed, and she, pinned as the murderer. She regresses back into a crumpled ball. After this however, she finally gets another glimmer of hope in Fuyuhiko trying to get her to forgive him, seeing his dedication to his path of atonement almost works until the Despair disease is introduced, causing her to completely shut everybody off and regress once more. This time, however all she has is her memory of her best friend Mahiru, and the kimono tying lessons she was taught. But even that doesn’t last for her. She risks taking a bath, which caused her to lose the only part of Mahiru that is left in her world. She doesn’t remember how to tie her kimono, the last speck of Mahiru gone and all happiness in her situation, is eviscerated. This event results in the breakdown that Sonia witnesses in chapter 3. And in midst of that awful emptiness, despair, mourning, and grief, she walks in on Mikan killing Ibuki, resulting in her death in the midst of terrible despair. I know Hiyoko gets a lot of flack as a character for being overly hostile (which I am not trying to say is OK), with even some people laughing at her death, I think Hiyoko is one of the best most subtly written characters in the series and one that I personally relate to quite a lot. TLDR: Hiyoko is cute I guess
Sunlit Absol This is exactly why I feel she should’ve survived! She was supposed to in place of Fuyuhiko. It would’ve been awesome to see her arc continued through the rest of the game. And I know they switched them out cause Peko’s death would’ve been meaningless, but let’s be real Fuyuhiko had a great arc too. So in place of Hiyoko could’ve easily been Sonia o more likely Akane.
Case three should've been a normal murder or it should've been Sonia or kazuichi. Love the guys, but hiyoko needed to live more (I mean I imagine if the one person that she considered the weakest kills two people and goes insane)
Fun Facts: Hiyoko was supposed to be a survivor but everyone hated her so they decided to kill her off Edit: this is wrong they didn’t kill her because everyone hated her.
@@urumiaramaki wrong, originally fuyuhiko was going to die instead of hyoko, but that would've made trial 2's aftermath and chapter in general pointless. There are things such as arc redemptions, and that is what hyoko was going through
just one thing I wanna mention, Tsumugi never planned out kokichi's plot, nor korikiyo's, the reasons why is because they wern't affected by the flashback lights. Since the Flashback lights were the main motives (not counting kaede) they were completly un scripted. Kaede's was expected, korikiyo was crazy before hand, so who ever would have been the killer in ch3 didn't kill since they weren't affected, Maki tried to kill kokichi after she was affected, and kokichi and kaito were never affected, so once maki's plot failed, kokichi thought the plot up on his own, so tsumugi was caught off guard by those events, that's all I really have an issue with, since I can understand both sides on the V3 ending debate, but I thought I should mention that.
@@thefearshark there's a line or maybe lines (IDR exactly) in the 6th trial where she states she planned it out, though the fact that kiyo killed for himself, and not because of the flashback lights and her being unable to know what the hell kokichi was planning in ch5 wasn't caused by the flashback lights. which did catch her off guard, and she did seem to be a bit of an actor with how she's able to portray the past cast members exactly with no issue. (sorry if I explained it a bit weirdly)
While I agree with what you said about Kokichi, I have to disagree with Kork’s case. [SPOILERS] If anything... Kork was the most telegraphed out of everyone in the game. Unlike everyone else...he was given a motive (his abusive sister) from the very BEGINNING of the game. He was not only given a motive to murder, but also a motive on WHO to murder (all the girls except for Miu and Maki) and by that method, Tsumugi was able to manipulate Kork’s actions. I theorize Maki was a similar case, with the whole ‘False Ultimate’ thing, but it wasn’t to as much of an extreme, and was thwarted by Kaito being Kaito
It's really funny to me that 3-3 implies that the double murder could've been committed by two people and it was just Kiyo while 1-3 ACTUALLY has two murderers and one of them just happened to be killed.
Kaitos execution was one of my favorite because it was a huge middle finger to Monokuma. Kaito died before the execution killed him and he died seeing his dreams of going to space be fulfilled which prevented Monokuma getting satisfaction of Kaito being executed which makes it my favorite.
V3's first case absolutely blew my mind and not talking about the connection to the 6th trial is just wrong in my opinion. Also while I agree that V3's 6th trial was too long and Tsumugi talks too much, it's not true, that there is no mystery in it. For example the whole stuff about Rantaro and figuring everything out about him to understand the killing games rules was damn interesting. I'm not saying it's the best case ever or anything it has it's flaws but I think both trials are too low on that list. Worst thing in case 1 is the victim, Rantaro is such a cool character.
Honestly, while I really enjoy V3 first case because of that Rube Goldberg machine setup and like the connection in case 6, case 6 is like my least favorite case in the franchise due to the really obnoxious cosplay roulette thing which wears out its welcome real quick especially with Tsumugi changing characters every other sentence, and that whole segment where you do nothing being so boring. I really enjoyed the twist of V3 and the investigation part of case 6 was awesome but the trial part was so god awful that it killed any good will I had for V3 ending.
Even then, it's not as fun to deduct whodunnit as the others due to how few characters thers are. Especially since tsumugi ironically sticks out like a sore thumb.
31:11 The danganronpa team said it’s okay for people to haves mixed emotions about this last trial but you don’t have to just straight up say they are making fun of their fanbase
I'm sure Kaede - the "protagonist" - being the murderer was foreshadowed by Nagito in the Dangan 2. If I remember right, Nagito tells Hajime about a book he read where the protagonist was the murderer but the book didn't reveal the killer's plan until the end.
Actually in Danganronpa 3 towards the end it's hinted that Tsumugi aka The Mastermind was the one who murdered Rantaro at the start of the game meaning Kaede was actually innocent and therefore unfairly executed. And I've came up with the theory that Kaede was aware that she was innocent but as the 1st trial went on she realized that The Mastermind rigged the first trial to ensure either her or Shuichi would be unfairly executed, and gave Shuichi a non-verbal signal to present the evidence that would have her be framed as the killer, because she realized that if one of them had to be unfairly executed it should be her as Shuichi due to being The Ultimate Detective had a much better chance of uncovering The Mastermind's identity, and bringing The Mastermind to justice.
"I was legit angry when I first heard it ... I really hate 'none of this is real' twists. Unless it's for a joke, I don't like being reminded that the work of fiction I'm experiencing isn't actually real. Kinda defeats the purpose." The entire point of the final trial was a rebuttal of exactly that idea, though. The idea that something being fictional makes it less impactful somehow is addressed directly. That's the whole point Shuichi makes about their experiences and emotions being real. That's the whole point of Kokichi in his entirety. It's the culmination of his and Shuichi's clash of truth vs lies. It's the climax of every previous trial in V3 revealing some sort of horrible truth that makes the characters question if maybe they were better off ignorant, living the lie they were beforehand. I mean, it's still possible to dislike that direction. I don't like claiming that everyone who disagrees "Just didn't get it". But to be frank, considering you don't even address that at all and get numerous other things wrong about just the plain facts of cases (like Kokichi's actions being entirely part of Tsumugi's plan), I feel like you really kinda didn't get it tbh.
This whole mindset "you people didn't like the ending just because you didn't get it" is so stupid. Everyone gets it. Everyone heard Shuichi's speech. The finale is still poorly written. When the game goes out of it's way to defend it's lack of a proper story with some dramatic speech - that's a sign of a problem.
@@bld9826 The overarching story was shot down by the revilation about the Flashback lights (which many people saw coming since they were created by Monokuma) so that just leaves the trials and conflicts between characters: Chapters 2 & 3 were stand-alones since their conflicts started and ended over the course of each chapter. Ch. 4 & 5 are connected by Kokichi's plan that fails thanks to Shuichi revealing said plan to Monokuma - so the plan doesn't go anywhere as well. That leaves Ch. 1 & 6. Tsumugi essentialy lays down the clues for the rest of them to pick up so that they find out the big twist. Then she drops the bomb about everything being fake effectively putting all previous events into question. It doesn't matter if she's lying or not because *now* there's no way to know anything for sure. So when Shuichi gives his speech about feelings being real it just sounds like excuses from the writers. After all, they decided to compromise the whole game in exchange for a shocking plot twist, that doesn't even twist anything since it's the end of the game. How did we go from a murder mystery game to complete fourth-wall-breaking and existential crisis in one chapter which is the last one? It's not as clever as it sounds.
I'm so glad Gundham's case reached the number 2 spot- As someone who absolutely adores Gundham as a character (alongside Chiaki and Mahiru), his case, motive and overall execution made me sob. When we were tasked on figuring out who the other person in the Deluxe Room was, I let out a literal audible gasp. I immediately felt tears welling up in my eyes as I selected Gundham. Then followed the futile attempts that Sonia took to save Gundham, followed up by Gundham only rebelling due to Sonia's constant pleading to fight back and disprove the claims. It's heart-wrenching to see a similar situation to Peko and Fuyuhiko, but with two likable characters since the very beginning. Both of which have tried their hardest to appeal to the group and try, try their absolute best in trials. Two characters who.. were unique and one wanted to protect the other. I'm not a huge fan of Sonia but after Gundham's case, I couldn't help but immediately fall in love with her character and bump her up on my favorite characters list. Just the raw emotions of one individual pleading for the other to be innocent- absolutely desperately trying to convince the group, and even Gundham himself, that Gundham was in no way capable of committing the crime- and then Gundham, putting on an act and a show.. putting on his villainous persona to keep up his way of living. He didn't give up on life. Sonia reminded him not to give up. Then, he was found the killer. In the most emotional motive ever, he killed to save everyone and teach a valuable lesson. Mechamaru also wanted to teach this lesson as he fought to the death with Gundham and didn't turn back. Gundham reminded them that they needed to live.. Gundham Tanaka, the Ultimate Breeder. He wasn't a bad guy. He just wanted to get along with everyone, he even let you shake his hand.
i felt this SO hard. his execution literally left me crying for weeks. his protection spell was for his four dark devas.. :( he genuinely felt like he should've belonged in hell, only to be carried up to heaven by animals. everything about that trial and especially execution was just...so emotional.
If memory serves, Hajime actually says that it took him ten minutes between finding Ibuki and finding Hiyoko. Mikan is definitely still speedy, but not superhuman
After Chiaki was revealed as the “traitor” I felt like dying the same way Nagito did. She was literally the best character, and it seemed that for once my favourite character would have a chance to survive. Chiaki was sweet, caring, adorable, funny at times and serious when she needed to be. She had so many amazing character traits. She deserved to survive until the very end. The entirety of the 5th trial in Danganronpa 2 made me feel the despair Junko was so obsessed with.
the thing about the first game's third trial you mentioned, where hifumi refers to celeste as "yasuhiro": when he was dying, he implied that he gained some memories back from their school life at hopes peak. so during their time as students, celeste at some point told everyone her real name, and hifumi got used to calling her that so when he was dying and probably unable to realize the other students didn't know celeste's real name, he naturally referred to her as "yasuhiro" for the second motive, Junko probably had everyone voluntarily tell her their secrets during their time as students, too. she seemed to be friends with all of them in dr3, and while she could have probably dug up ppls secrets without them voluntarily telling her, hifumi's knowledge of celeste's real name along with other things (Chihiro wearing boy's clothes in the photo found in chapter 3, genocider openly gushing over Byakuya in a class photo, etc) suggests that everyone's "deepest secrets" were probably all revealed to the rest of the class before they got their memories erased. which makes it even sadder, since that means the 78th class would have all been really close and they ended up killing each other
Trial 5 of DanganRonpa 2 will always be my favorite of ANY of the games because of how insane Komaeda's plan was to expose the traitor, and the reveal of who the traitor was. It was so brilliant and I wish the game didn't have a contrived final trial. Great list though, my dude!
@@trots4940 that makes no sense, Kokichi's plan was to trick Monokuma, someone has to know his plan in order to work, otherwise it wouldn't have made sense, too bad everything was already prepared by Kokichi so...Kaito was just a puppet controlled by him even after his death, so stop being full of shit
20:08 I thought the reason Hifumi knew that was because the blow to his head erased the brain washing and he remembered everything (he even says so in his dying words). Hence, to me, that implies that before the world went to shot, Celeste told Hifumi/Hifumi and the class her real name.
While I agree on some of your placements in the countdown and disagree with others, I found this to be a really well made countdown list! It's very interesting to see other people's takes.
I really want to pick up the games now, even though everything is spoiled for me. Eh, same thing happened for Spec Ops: The Line and I still loved it. (Update: Playing 2. Enjoying 2.)
Boogiemywoogie disagreed, they‘re still super interesting if you keep your eyes open for all of the details they have... tho I still hate that I knew every victim and killer before playing it myself...
@@V1G4M1 It was more of a situation then anything else, I didn’t have a job or a private console to play it on. (Still in High School) Now I have a Vita and am playing DR2. Which I am enjoying. Just like Spec Ops: The Line
I agree with almost everything you said about the bottom spot trial. Another issue I had with it was that it seemed to use the 3rd case from the second game (which was my least favorite in that game) as a template, because it shares a lot of the same plot points. -They’re both a double homocide where: 1.The first victim is the eccentric short girl that the writers seem to want the audience to hate (or only like ironically), and 2. The second victim is the girl who makes weird, goofy expressions and has implications of being homosexual. -In both the first victim is only killed because they accidentally walked in on the killer doing something suspicious. -In both, the two victims both died from neck injuries. -The second victim is thought to have committed suicide at some point in both trials. -Both cases involve a locked room mystery. -Both culprits claim that their motive for committing the crime was out of love for a deceased person and they are somewhat happy to go to them in the afterlife. There were probably more that I can’t think of right now, but those things did distract me. (Cases 4 and 5 of V3 also seemed to copy their respective cases from DR2 as well.) I also thought it was super obvious that it was Korekiyo since there were only 4 people in the room that could’ve killed Tenko and process of elimination made him the most suspicious. Also, one more complaint: Korekiyo’s actions make no sense. If he wanted to kill someone the entire time, then why didn’t he use the First Blood Perk during the first chapter? He could’ve escaped with no consequences. He mentions his sister during the first chapter, so he obviously remembers her. It honestly feels like they just wanted to use him as a joke rather than make a consistent plot point.
I thought I’d talk about the other trials too, so here they are: #17 from the list: Yeah, this one was also pretty bad imo, and the video covered most of the reasons. I was particularly annoyed that no one brought up the possibility that someone could have told Ibuki to kill herself since she was infected with a gullible disease, as that person would’ve been guilty based on the logic of the previous trial. I was also annoyed that they never said what Hiyoko’s murder weapon was. I do disagree with your statement on Mikan’s motive though; another comment went into that further. Also, I liked Chiaki’s belief without doubt monologue. #16: I liked the first half of this trial, as it was kind of a murder mystery that re-examined the first trial, and I give it points for creativity, but I hated the rest of it for the same reasons as mentioned in the video. I also thought they repeated the words “fictional,” “hope,” and “despair” too often which got *very* annoying. Also Tsumugi is my least favorite character and this trial solidified that. #15: I liked this case, but I get why people don’t have strong feelings towards it. That’s all I have to say really. #14: Similarly, I enjoyed Junko and where the plot went, but was disappointed that there was no murder mystery. Also another plot hole: They said that the students handed their friends and family over to Junko so she could perform experiments on them. When did that happen? Junko was supposed to be sealed inside Hope’s Peak with the first game’s cast during that time. #13: I enjoyed this first case. My only real complaint is how they didn’t really flesh out Leon’s character or motive. I know they kind of did later on, but I still think he should’ve explained his feelings himself. Also, I thought Sayaka’s plan was flawed since 2 people witnessed her go to the kitchen to get the knife. #12: This is my favorite final trial too, and for the same reasons. This is the only time where I think the Hope vs. Despair theme worked honestly. But they spent way too much time elaborating how Mukuro was disguised in my opinion. #11 I may be in the minority, but I actually figured out Kaede’s plan. They showed two pictures of Rantaro, and since the second game’s first trial also used pictures to reveal an important clue, I inspected them carefully, noticed the flash, and then I was able to piece everything together. (Not every detail, but most of it.) And that’s kind of where my problem lies. The whole trial relies on the player not noticing something until a character brings it up later rather than introducing new information as it goes on. Other than that it was fine. I also preferred Kaede over Shuichi honestly. #10: I liked this trial for the same reasons mentioned in the video, but also because it feels like everyone contributes. Often times, some characters sit on the sidelines while others do most of the work, but it felt like everyone was active at some point in this trial. #9: I can’t really explain why, but I wasn’t that interested in this one. I don’t hate it, but I was just kind of bored during it. If I had to guess, it might be because I thought Ryoma was kind of forgettable, and I wasn’t a fan of Kaito’s argument that everyone should believe in Maki despite her suspicion when she really didn’t do anything to make me want to believe in her up until this point. It also went against the second game’s message too. The entire trial really doesn’t connect to anything, and it just feels like they threw it in to get rid of filler characters. #8: I didn’t like this one. I thought the culprit was way too obvious. They foreshadowed her working with Hifumi in the previous chapter, and the entire time she acts completely opposite of what she was normally like. Also, she constantly insists that Yasuhiro is the culprit during the trial when literally the first thing they established was that Yasuhiro couldn’t have done it. The plan was complex, yes, but once I suspected her, the entire thing just fell apart. #7: I thought this was a very solid case, but I thought the motive was dumb. The delivery of it in the video game was excellent, but Mahiru didn’t even have any involvement in the actual murder of Fuyuhiko’s sister and Sato was already dead, so I thought his need to kill Mahiru for being an “accomplice” was unnecessary. This translates into Peko’s plan as well, which was also flawed. The entire murder was caught on camera, so her “tool” argument was invalid. So she just ended up killing Mahiru over nothing. Likewise, if the class had voted for Hiyoko, then Fuyuhiko would’ve been executed thus negating her goal. I honestly didn’t have any sympathy for Fuyuhiko or Peko when she died. I know that’s an unpopular opinion, but that’s me. #6: This one was short, but I like it a lot.The only two things that I have to say are that Sakura’s smile made me suspect her, and I have a hard time believing that Sakura would be able to get hit over the head twice when both assailants would have to run to the shelf giving her enough time to react. #5: I agree with mostly everything. The only thing I hate is that Shuichi solves the mystery when Kaito *literally* says that if Monokuma doesn’t know the culprit, then the game can’t continue. There were some other moments in the trial like that too. #4: This one was also great. I agree with mostly everything. #3: This is also my favorite from V3. I thought the virtual world’s secret was a little too obvious, and just a lesser version of the Funhouse though. (Both involved a two-sectioned area being separated but one person knows of a secret connection.) Also, Miu’s plan was dumb. She had electro hammers and a device that could control exisals, and yet she *still* wanted to kill someone to escape. Also, she was not subtle with taking out the bridge, made the mistake of walking in front of the window, and tried to make Kokichi her target by rendezvousing with him. That was probably the worst way to go about it. #2: Literally nothing else new to say. #1: Great choice. It might be my number 1 too. (Although they may have spent just a bit too long on the fire grenade twist, and I thought it was pretty obvious that the Future Foundation wasn’t bad since Usami/Monomi was so docile.)
There's not really a point in saying this, but I loved V3 chapter 4 even more just because of how painful it was emotionally, but that's just me being a sap.
@@genericyoutubecommentchann7418 about the first blood perk thing, IIRC kyio says that he didnt kill before because he was still observing and choosing the appropriate girls to send to his sister. in his trial he also says he would never send miu and i think maki, so thats why he didnt use the blood perk, he wanted to make sure to kill the right person.
I think that the problem with the third trials is that, while having two victims instead of one sounds good in paper, it is a terrible idea if you don't know how to handle it. All of the third chapters are horribly written. I mean really, the first game is the only one where it actually makes sense to have a second victim, even if Celeste pulled off one of most stupid and obvious murder plans in the series. (I can let Leon not noticing the 11037 message slide because he was most likely in panic during the whole thing, but the other things in the third trial are just outright idiotic). Also, they murdered Celeste's character in this trial with the terrible writing. In the second game the second murder feels WAY too forced. It's really way too much of a coincidence to make Hiyoko walk in just in time to see Mikan staging Ibuki's murder. They also never talk about what murder weapon even killed her and mostly ignore her during the trial , and the trial itself feels like (and IS) a rushed mess. Just look at all the goddamn plotholes it has, not to mention that the Dispear Disease is just a lazy excuse to make someone who is unlikely to kill someone commit a murder. And the third game... ugh, dear lord... Taka was part of a murder plan and Hiyoko walked in at the wrong time, okay, but WHAT REAL REASON HAD TENKO TO DIE?! Not to mention, that they murdered Korekyo's intelligence in this trial: Angie's murder is the perfect crime, why waste so much time and efford in having a second victim just so her death can leave even more evidence behind? And don't even get me started on the ruines possibilities this chapter had: If only the first victim's death counts, it would be a cool cocnept to see the cast having to live with someone who got away with murder, but no, it is all thrown out the window. Also, was it really necesary to have an incest subplot? (Also, V3 has *two* other incest subplots) Also, the first two games killed Taka and Hiyoko way too early, a.k.a. in the middle of their character development. I'm asking myself why give them ay character development if they were going to axe them the very next chapter? Not to mention, people act like they never even existed after the trial. At least V3 did it better with Himiko, who actually survives
I think the game implied that Korekiyo was a serial killer. Korekiyo wanted to kill people to make more friends for his sister, a hundred to be exact. By making more friends, he means killing them so their spirits can meet his dead sister. He definitely had a reason to kill two people, but I agree that it was not really well developed and would be more interesting if there were two killers.
@@sera_venus I know that, but wouldn't It be more practical to get away with murder so he could continue with his schemes outside the academy? (of course, there really is no point in leaving but still) He did say that all the girls there (except Miu and Maki) were suitable candidates, so finding girls who can fit his "requierements" shouldn't be that hard either.
I think taka would’ve died either way cause, remember, he hasn’t eaten (You know because of the whole, *Mondo Butter* thing) Though then the game would have two suicide deaths and idk if that’s a good thing. For the second game, I honestly really wish they swapped chapter 3 and 4. You can still have it be a double murder, except instead of Nekomaru only dying, Sonia would be included as well. And V3, idk how to make it better, it legit just sucks.
Assuming you trust Tsumugi's speech at the end they actually could make it happen, just find a person who looks similar and use the Flashback Light on them
@@nine2605 That would be so cool! Though I wonder if the replacement would have the memories of their "death" and get super confused when they realize they are alive, or not remember and get super confused when everyone else freaks out when they first show up?
@@caramelapple5562 I think Tsumugi predicted that they would revive Kaede, as Kaede's twin sister was mentioned in the Gofer project. Kaede probably had a stunt double waiting for her Angie was going to resurrect Rantaro though, what if she actually accomplished it?
The 2-4 Trial was absolute genius. Everything from the murder, to the motive, to even the reasoning itself. Gundham became my favorite character because of his this trial, and instantly gain my respect. P.S. One of my favorite parts about Gundham is how serious he believes his own motive. He doesn't give up on life, and therefore continues to fight and defend himself(even though he was wrong and possibly knew that he would be found out).
1-3 is my worst case. Since you solve the case instantly by knowing that the robojustice suit is so stiff it could never take Hifumi away. Thus Celeste lied about the photo so she's the culprit. You then talk about this stiffness in like the first 10 minutes of the case, so the trial should end in 10 minutes, but it doesn't.
Actually the reason how Hifumi knew Celeste's real name is because when he was hit in the head, he (somehow) remembered his school memories. This also hints that Celeste most likely opened up to her classmates by telling them her real name, strengthening the point that they were all reallg close. Which makes the case more sad 😭
the first trial of danganronpa v3 is one of my favorites and one of the best written because if you rewatch it RIGHT after beating v3, you’ll realize how close they actually were to figuring out the true culrpit of it and its so heartbreaking that if kaede had known she didnt kill rantaro, everyone else’s deaths starting from ryoma coulda been prevented.
20:12 I think it's because right before he died he remembered everything he forgot which made him remember a time where someone called Celeste by her given name. Or something like that. Or maybe Celeste told him to call her that so if he decided to tell he would say Yasuhiro pushing the suspicion onto Hiro.
i swear, Chiaki's "family" of sorts (Her, Chihiro, Alter Ego and Usagi) are all complete Cinnamon buns too pure for this world and when i saw the deaths of all of them i cried more than i did about every others death, not to mention they are one of the main reasons why the player win's the first 2 games (in their own way)
The reason why V3's ending was so long was because when the devs decided to put in the other characters they only really expected half of the voice actors to agree if they were lucky. But to their surprise everyone agreed, that's why the "it's fantasy" took so long. They needed to spread out all of the characters.
The real Chiaki Nanami's execution shown in Danganronpa 3: The End of Hope's Peak, might be one of the saddest moment in the entire series Edit: Spoilers for sad moments V3: Also Kaede’s execution and how Saihara takes up the lead, Ryoma’s death, definitely the entire 2nd half of the 4th trial, the aftermath of the fifth trial, and the ending as well. Basically the entirety of V3.
The thing that I love about the 2nd trial in the first game is when Kirigiri said that Mondo refers to chihiro as kid instead of chick. So it's fun to look back and see that it really did change.
I personally like both the second and third game’s final trials quite a bit more than you but I definitely understand why they aren’t as high. For me V3-4 is a great trial in terms of Kokichi and Gonta’s VAs but the case itself was relatively simple and seems to be very obvious to most people, myself included. 2-4 and 2-5 are definitely my two favorite cases in the series, with 1-4 being not far behind just in terms of characters. V3-5 has great parts but it just can’t live up to the expectations I had going into it.
Caramel Apple That was probably the most upset I felt in any trial in the series, but I just wish the case wasn’t such a watered down version of the previous 4th case. It’s still a memorable trial but I feel it gets carried by the voice acting of Gonta and Kokichi, because as a case it’s just okay
my only problem with danganronpa 2's fourth case "A device that transports things to different floors, i feel like I've seen something like that before" what a mystery...
The reason Hiyoko Saionji's death was so EH-, was because the developers didn't originally plan on killing her, but instead they planned on killing Fuyuhiko. The reason they were swapped out was because of Peko. If Fuyuhiko died, it would have been throwing away Peko's life as well. It would have just been a waste of development for Fuyuhiko AND Peko, if he died without growth from that. That's more than likely why the murder weapon for Hiyoko remains unknown. If you did in fact read this whole thing, thank you for your time.
I hate the fact that they might have originally killed Fuyuhiko instead of Hiyoko. Fuyuhiko is my favorite character in the series and Hiyoko is my most hated character in the series. I fucking despise Hiyoko
just a few minutes in and already hard agreeing with you. the necronomicon could have been such a cool idea. 3-3 is a freaking avalanche of great ideas that never actually go anywhere.
11:41 if it’s makes you feel better, thanks to most of the ultimate despairs follow suit after Junko dies, the Dr2 cast are known as the Remnants of Despair, which sounds instantly cooler (by the way, iyo, what sounds stupider, ultimate despair or super high school level despair)
"There are 3 games." *mentions monaca really early* Danganronpa Another Episode:Ultra Despair Girls: *Am i a joke to you?* [I love DRAE, so i wanted to my case on Danganronpa Ultra Despair GIrls.]
Fun fact: 26:40 in the original JP dub, Kokichi actually said "How could a game that youre forced to kill be fun?" But the subtitles changed "kill" to "play." Idk why, i think its to make him seen more complex(?), since the whole idea was for him to be unpredictable. The best word to describe Kokichi would be benevolent i think.
I think the first game’s chapter 2 trial is by far the best. It has some of the best plot twists I’ve ever seen, and it really says a lot about Mondo’s character and makes him my all-time favorite.
I got the first and second game a few days ago and I love it so much. These are being ranked from the Trigger Happy Havoc game. My least favorite trial is the final one. My favorite one is the fourth one. Glad to see another fan still records videos on the game.
If you don’t like Mikan, that’s fine, if you think the trial was boring, that’s also fine, but geez, that trial gets so much crap it does not deserve. First of all, two of the problems, the logistics, and the motive, are flat-out incorrect. The motive is not that Mikan is acting the opposite of how she should be, it’s that she remembered her life before the killing game. Recall that she’s an ultimate Despair, and it becomes what I would have to say is probably the best motive in the series. Second, Hajime literally states IN THE TRIAL, that he was away from the music venue for AT LEAST 10 MINUTES. If it was 2-5 minutes, I could see this being impossible, but 10 is more than enough if you’re prepared. Also, I personally believe that Mikan probably has some experience killing people considering she was an ultimate Despair, so she could most likely cut corners and trim around the edges to save time. The fact Ibuki has to die for no apparent reason was stupid, and Hiyoko’s death was definitely not delved into enough. I don’t think the trial is one of the best, heck, it’s still around only halfway for me, but it is nowhere near as bad as people say, and most reasons people give are completely and utterly wrong.
I agree, and plus of all the third chapter trials involving double murder this one does it best. Why? Because Mikan actually had a legit reason to kill the second victim: Hyoko saw her hanging Ibuki. She had to kill Hyoko. All the others double murders were dumb and had no fucking reason to happen besides "i wanted to".
Scantier well, I dunno about the double murder in the first game being pointless. It was actually a part of Celeste’s plan to have a double murder, and technically, she only killed one of them, and it did its job properly, too. It confused them well and wasn’t completely pointless, and it wasn’t a huge cause of her downfall, either. However, I do agree with that in regards to the the third game.
Well, my sequence of events may be off, so I'm sorry in advance. But, (I'm going to assume the whole Nekomaru thing happened before the whole despair disease) Just like the reasoning for Hiyoko instead of Fuyuhiko for the 3rd case, if Akane died, Nekomaru's sacrifice would have just been a waste of time, and the developers probably wanted Akane to grow from that experience. That's what I believe at least.
Me: **starts video** „Danganronpa V3 is the worst game“ Me: „n...nani?!“ (Now before y‘all start bashing me for loving v3 my opinion may be different but I still respect and honor yours✌🏻😌)
Juan Olarte yeah I get that tbh, I personally really liked the ending specifically because it tried to not be liked and the characters basically chose the worst ending for the audience lol
The very first entry and I'm already 100% on board with you. My biggest complaint is that V3 introduced so much that could have been incredible ways to shake up the formula, and yet V3 continually regressed back to the traditions of 1/2 and ignored all the fun new potential ideas they introduced. Well made first couple of entries with awesome complaints, and I look forward to watching the rest of it haha!
This. So many interesting things it could've done, and instead it just rehashed so much of the first two games. Like, instead of "take the obvious rip-off of the first two main protags even with the talent of a supporting protag, kill him off which makes sense for the mastermind to learn from Junko's mistake and get rid of the detective early and have the actual main protag with a more unique talent that has possibilities to apply in trials (think of Ibuki's great hearing being shared by Kaede so she can have some minigame where she notices from the tone of voice someone's lying)" to "we introduce a fresh, different new protag but kill them off immediately in a stupid way to make way for Makoto expy number 2". Not to mention that afyer taking so much from the first two games, they then felt they had to go meta and insult the audience by doing the meta shit so badly they had to backtrack in an interview. The third game was such a letdown after the first two stellar games.
V3’s whole shtick (and problem) is “Oh, we’re gonna introduce something new and exciting? Fuck it, let’s regress to the old ways!” That’s why I prefer fangames
No matter what you say, the 2nd trials will always be my favorites. Idk if it’s the beautifully written style, the interesting plot twists, or the disturbing executions, they’ll always be my favorite
Haa, another good list, and... to be honest, I kinda want to particularly throw in a happy nod for you liking Korekiyo's whole... deal as a part of the case! Like, I understand why a lot of people find it... extra off-putting, just on principle, but... ha, that kind of thing aside, /man/, did it... put the case and his character into basically campy horror/pitch, *pitch* black comedy territory for me - and... well, 'ey. 8,)b It's not like Dangan Ronpa has ever shied away from doing bugfuck crazy or depraved things with its characters and/or their motivations. ...The Mikan portion actually also reminds me, though. 8,|a For one, hey... I guess at least Mikan's motive can be taken as a foreshadowing, though I agree it would have been way more interesting if she had just snapped, while I also wish Ibuki had... stayed longer, come to think of it, I feel like her death would have also made sense in a double murder between her and Mikan if Mikan's motive *had* just been... snapping. Like, it still would have made more sense if Mikan had killed Hiyoko *first*... but considering how Ibuki got... leery over Mikan embarrassing herself, like, what if Mikan, still out-of-sorts in the mindset of having killed her biggest bully on the island (man, especially considering what her strain of the disease was, and that she, Mahiru, Hiyoko, and Ibuki were all pals once upon a time), decided she'd storm over to the sick-and-vulnerable Ibuki's room due to seeing her as also part of the problem?
There was a plot hole in case 5 of v3 that had me looking in the wrong direction. In the murder video there is no blood smear on the floor which had me believing that the body was moved after the press went down. Another issue was that in the final argument the electro bomb was triggered after maki attacked the control panel so the alarm should have triggered. I could be wrong with these and they don't really bother me but I thought I should say them anyway.
You are right, the blood trail on the floor was not visible in the video. Also the press suddenly slams down after the pause when it should have just continued lowering at the same speed as before since the characters made a big deal about it only going at one speed from what I remember.
GenericRUclipsComment Channel The reason it slams down is because Kaito breaks the press so that it falls and crushes Kokichi - remember, the press would stop if it sensed a person under it. So, in order to make it crush Kokichi, he had to break it, making it fall quickly. The difference in speed is how they figured that part of the murder out.
Will O No, that’s wrong. The electrobomb that Kokichi used is what jammed the sensor. And that was already in effect when the Kaito was in the press. The reason the press “stopped” in the video was because either Kokichi or Kaito failed to hit the stop/start and pause/play buttons at the exact same time, (most likely Kaito since he only had one chance) so the video was recording while the press wasn’t active for a split second. But even then, the press should’ve still continued to lower slowly at the same speed. They specifically compare the victim being crushed to when Keebo was in the press earlier in the chapter, and with that, the press just lowers slowly the entire time. That’s what should’ve happened here. If I had to guess, they probably did it this way so the trial would’ve been harder to figure out, but they still created an inconsistency in doing so. Also, breaking a sensor wouldn’t suddenly make the press gain a new speed. That doesn’t make sense. Watch the trial again. It’s around the 2 hour mark where they go into the “pause.”
Nagito made 2-1 so good like it’s about characters that are not really liked by the fandom but it twists into actually being all about someone so many people love. it was pretty smart to make those twists about nagito and not having it be known from the start since now when someone thinks of 2-1 they think of nagitos reveal and go like “oh yeah that’s cool” and not think much about the actual trial
@@genericyoutubecommentchann7418 the "new" comes from the idea of a killing game that had nothing to do with the rest of the series. It was a new timeline
18. Am I the only one who loves this trial? This could be because of my love for the culprit in this case. I do feel that Tenko and Angie were the weakest chars of the cast so I was glad to see them go honest. I'll give those two some credit, both had good intentions at one point, but their means of going about things I did find annoying at times. Give this case a little credit though, at least after this case Himiko became more motivated to help out. Also, Kiyo's execution is one of my favs. 17. Yeah I'll admit this one was confusing at times, but I still liked it. I know 3rd cases tend to be the weak links according to fans, but I enjoyed all of the 3rd cases because they became tricky to figure out. But yeah the logistics was a problem. How in the heck did Mikan have time to do the film, set up the crime scene, let the crime scene all within what probably took a minute for Hajime to tell the others? That's pretty bad. 16. I will admit, while I really do love V3, I do think it has the weakest final case. It started out very strong for me by retreading the first case, but it got so meta it left my brain numb by the time it was over. I think Kodaka was trying to top himself by asking, "Okay what can I do that no one will expect?" And this was his answer. So yeah I can understand the mixed feelings. 15. If I am being honest, this is the worst case for me because it would be torturous to watch Makoto eventually frame himself and Kyoko is my fav DR char . . . . so yeah . . . . This is actually the main reason I haven't bought the first game because I am scared to play this trial. 14. Am I the only one who doesn't mind exposition dumps? I LOVE this trial! It's not my fav Final trial, but I still love it, especially when you do get the biggest twist in the game on who the true mastermind is. And I don't know which game you played Dafawful, but in the Let's Play I watched, they were called Remnants of Despair. Still corny but I like it. 13. I'll be honest, when I first saw the original anime (I saw it before seeing a fanmade Let's play of it back in 2013), I wasn't surprised that Sayaka was the first to die. 12. This is my fav Final case too and man did I love it. I actually loved Junko here and I can see one person because the case of something big. After all she did say Despair was contagious. Then again I am one of those people that believes anything is possible too. 11. Mmmm, I felt you left out details that also made this case stand out too. Besides making Kaede to be the killer here, the victim itself was also shocking because Rantaro was the char with the mystery talent and in the past 2 games, those types chars were survivors (Kyoko and Hajime). Not to mention this trial left out 2 major details that would lead to the true killer, Tsumugi- the closing hidden door and Rantaro's bloody hand with the missing Monopad. I will admit, after I saw NicoB complete that first trial, I always felt something was missing. 10. This was the trial that you either loved Nakito after this or hated him. I honestly don't know how I feel about Nagito, but I do think he's a brilliant char and very original. You can tell his VA Bryce had a lot fun with him lol. 9. The victim in this case was shocking but yeah this was a very cool case. I need to rewatch it again because it was hard to remember all of the details. I just remember really loving lol. 8. Yeah it was only by one little slip up from Celeste that led to her downfall. Man was she an interesting char though. She even lied to herself in this game. 7. 2nd trials traditionally did pull the heart strings and this one really hit hard. I do feel it really dragged on for too long at times and like things had to be spoon fed to the others when watching NicoB play this game. 6. Oh yeah this one was a shocker. I actually am not a huge fan of the case on a subjective level because of the constant figure pointing and as a result, I felt it dragged on for too long. 5. I . . . . just don't like this case. Other then DR2's case 5, I felt this was bad for subjective reasons. True, Kokichi's plan was brilliant, but the emotional rollercoaster that led up to this point was too much, and it's why I haven't gotten V3 either. 4. Love love love this trial and after the final trial, this is my fav from the game. It heartbreaking, but at least I could handle it. 3. I love this trial, but the only thing that mars it is Kaito's behavior during the later part of the trial. It just had me lower my opinion of him for some reason. I commend him for being loyal, but I don't know, I just don't like how he treated Shuichi there towards the end, even with all the evidence. 2. OMG YES I love this case (and we now know what #1 is lol). I think out of ALL of the motives, this was one was the cruelest because Monokuma used a "Need" as the motive. I knew this would end in tragedy when I heard Hunger was the motive. I love Gundam, he's my fav DR Male char, and this trial is why he is my fav male char, because it really showed just how noble he was, despite him being a killer and his dark persona. And I'll admit it, I am a Sonia and Gundam shipper lol. 1. I never felt that the 'traitor' was a bad person by the time this game rolled around. But yeah, this case was screwed up, but definitely interesting. Yeah, Nagito's motive for killing the rest of the chars definitely explained why he suddenly changed his demeanor. Cool list!
I like Korekiyo, but I think his motive still falls in the lazy category. I don't mind a depraved motive, I enjoyed 1-3 enough. But Korekiyo's motive is basically a rehash of Mikan's motive without the clever foreshadowing to the twist. "I killed some random people because... love." Not only that, but it makes him look like a complete tool when he only got caught because he wanted to try out his goddamn seesaw. (But I'd still say that the ending scene where Kiyo talks about death is criminally overlooked.) I actually think Tsumugi lying is less interesting overall. Her planning everything out is pretty dumb (besides some inciting things, like giving Kaito the virus, but not planing every single character interaction and murder), I mean why even use real people if you're just gonna puppet them? But I think a world where people are obsessed with the killing game and want to join in is amazing. Unfortunately, it's not looking that way judging from the prologue and the fake scene. It seems like Team DR just kidnaps random people, and everything Tsumugi said is a lie. Imagine if everything Junko said was a lie. We wouldn't have DR2, we wouldn't have UDG, we wouldn't have DR3. Junko lied about several things like the DR1 cast not surviving on their own and the whole of 1-5, but having the big reveal be mostly fake closes so many possibilities.
Some people might get mad at me for this but I like v3s cast the best haha. I think their lines were funnier and more entertaining to watch. I just really like miu and kokichis interactions. I think they’re great. Himiko and Angie can jump of a bridge, though. I don’t know, that made the game for me. I found myself laughing a lot. This isn’t really a good reason to have it be my favorite out of the three, but I guess it just is. I do like 11037 and on the meat bone jokes more though.
I honestly think V3 is the best in the series. Each character is more memorable than those in the other games, the graphics are amazing, the story's progression was interesting too. They even have a game at the end where all the characters from the series talk to each other and it was so sweet! Especially the scene where all the protagonists were in on location 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂 The only downer for V3 is the ending trial and the story's conclusion. It just makes all the other games in the series feel no longer of importance to fans by breaking the link and saying that it's all fiction, and the amazing trials and executions in V3 that was experienced felt like a waste. The part I did like at the end is the V3 meaning 53 and how there has been many killings, and how real ordinary people are being used.
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Fun fact: Sayaka and Leon died first because they were the base character models for everyone causing the devs to hate them
Damn just damn.
The amount of salt.
I already knew that and my sibling was like, WHAT?!
Another fun fact about 1-1 is that alternative murderer victim pair was Yasuhiro and Hifumi, two characters who were least liked by devs personality-wise. So either way, devs just wanted to throw their least favorite characters out of window ASAP and that is kind of great.
Heroman3003 yet they let Hiro live T~T
@@fanofstuff1607 It was unexpected so that made things more interesting
For the 17th case, you forgot that Hiyoko's death wasn't actually explained nor really investigated, we don't even know which weapon she was killed with !
Frisk D34 True, while it felt like Ibuki was killed off just to get her out of the story, Hiyoko felt so shoehorned in that it doesn’t feel like they cared about her at all. Especially when you consider that originally Fuyuhiko was meant to be dead and taped to the pillar instead of Hiyoko.
@@kitwitk9 However, there is nothing to prove your claims that Fuyuhiko was originally going to die, ergo, half your statement is voided.
@@EnotekLyhtemid Why did you make this comment? Why try to prove someone wrong when you have nothing to gain from it?
@@EnotekLyhtemid actually, I believe it was said by Kodaka during an interview, I believe weeby news also spoke about this in her dr analysis videos
I agree. I can kinda see why he hates the trial. :P
Mukuro Ikusaba the 16th student, hiding somewhere in the Academy. The one they call Ultimate Despair. Watch out for her.
@jack0392 jack0392 It's a quote from the game and I guess kind of a joke in the Fandom because when Mukuro is mentioned she is mentioned as "the 16th student"
@@Solanin0803 they just quoted Makoto from when all your waifus are dead lol
@@Solanin0803 r/woooosh
@jack0392 jack0392 well I guess you don’t have to watch out for her anymore cuz she’s kinda dead
What about 11037?
I unironically love 3-3 because seesaw effect
YOU PLAY DANGANROPA?
Im wondering what shuckmeister's favorite danganronpa game is.
I found a way to make 3-3 better. Kiyo pretends to join the school council, and tells angie to do the ritual to summon atua and the case goes on like normal. Now dosent that make so much more sence tell is i got any holes tho i dont want to look egotistical
@@elecmetala7220 yup, some of his art is in a simailer style to it
I love it cause Angie died
Ok I'm gonna say something about DR2 chapter 5 trial. Nagito's motive wasn't to kill the traitor. He found out that the rest of them are Ultimate Despair BESIDES the traitor and wanted to make an impossible murder so that they would get it wrong and only the traitor would live, effectively ridding of the despair. That is why he hated them so much in Chapter 4 because he found out their real identities
but because of that, it would've allowed Junko to take over All of them. So even his intentions were betrayed by his luck. (i like to think Mokoto's luck also helped with the ending of defeating Junko)
I’m pretty sure he said that in the video, it was just 1 or 2 lines, but he mentioned it
ya he said that
pretty sure thats mentioned here and in the game
@denisucuuu He does have luck, but it's more realistic and only shows up to save him from bad situations. Remember the paper he slipped on in dr3?
You forgot that Dr2’s 3rd trial also given foreshadowing for the twist that the Dr2 casts was the remnants of despair, thanks to Mikan being under the despair disease
Not really
potato chip i meant that he forgot to add fact
@@TheVTable I'm saying it didn't forshadow it
potato chip huh? 🤨
@@TheVTable ok so In what way did this forshadow the twist?
I'm gonna defend Mikans motive for her trial. Common misconception was "She got a disease that changed the way she acts." That is not what happened. Monokuma specifically says, that she caught a "Remembrance Disease", making her act like she did before she forgot her memories. Implying she was always psychotic. Which works, seeing how the cast of DR2 were all remnants of despair. Which makes that twist make more sense given the context of Mikan getting the Remembrance Disease. Is it explained well? No, not at all. But it isn't this thing that was unplanned and "Hey we just need a murderer". It does have context in the greater plot of Danganronpa 2
Edit: Uh, two months later, but I still check this thread every now and then, but 1.4k likes? Uh, you're all insane
While this is true, (DR3 spoiler I think?) Mikan's psychotic personality was a result of brainwashing, which is still a heck of a lot less interesting than her snapping due to mistreatment. It's true that we'd lose a bit of foreshadowing if Mikan's motive changed with no other changes to the story, but maybe another character with less potential to waste could catch the remembering disease, or maybe the person with the disease doesn't actually kill anyone or even becomes a victim? IDK, just some quick ideas.
@@MechaWyvern707 I think Mikan was the best choice if they were going to go with the remembering idea. Her being overtly psychotic and planning a precise murder is kind of in line with what the despair disease does. It's just that the problems are all either in the execution or the fundamental concept of altering a character's personality itself. It feels pretty cheap to have her pretty much perfectly disguise the fact that she got sick (besides trying to smother Hajime a couple of times), but it'd also be too obvious if she showed too many symptoms (similar to Celeste overacting and guiding the investigation in 1-3). I think it would work if she found a some sort of temporary solution, but was still suffering some side effects. The disease would only give her a vision of Junko, providing her with the courage to plan a murder or kill Hiyoko. As the trial goes on, she remembers more as her despair personality takes over. You'd still have everyone trying to distance themselves, but you'd make the despair disease seem less like a contrived plot device to be disposed of when it's not needed anymore. It could even have an element of tragedy, as you see the Mikan you love slowly die in front of you. Monokuma would use this to prove it only takes a bad day to drive even the most meek person to murder, and eventually plunge them into complete despair.
@@zeeteepippi275 That could work.
@@MechaWyvern707 that's what I believe to be (one of many) problem(s) of the Despair arc. With how it's implied in DR2, it's as if Junko was so intriguing as a person, she willingly got the rest of the remnants to willingly go to despair. Bar Kamakura (been a while since I've watched it, so I might be wrong) she controlled the rest of the cast with that mind control. Which I think is stupid, and a waste of potential. Like, Nagito was so set on making sure Despair wouldn't win in DR2, and seeing him fall into Despair could've and should've been great. But nope, they all got mind controlled. This is one of the many reasons I refuse to believe End Of Hopes Peak is canon.
still makes no sense as to why ibuki was killed or solve the other problems with the chapter but yeah the motive itself is adequate
Alright within the span of a month I’ve played every game in the series, and I’m pretty sure that I’ve figured out the pattern of each case.
Chapter 1 tries to be unexpected
Chapter 2 wants to be really emotional
Chapter 3 has two victims
Chapter 4 the big character dies+a different concept
Chapter 5 an insane character makes the case very interesting
Chapter 6 cluster-fuck+endgame
I'm not quite sure what the point of this is, but:
Trigger Happy Havoc Chapter 2 Toko is revealed as a serial killer
Goodbye Despair Chapter 2 Peko is fake revealed as a serial killer
Killing Harmony Chapter 2 Maki is revealed as an assassin
chapter 2 more has a murder commited out of a feeling of obligation or duty (and fails)
Mondo: keeping the secret to keep the gang together
Peko: Protecting her Master
Kirumi: serving her country
@@V1G4M1 yeah that makes more sense haha
V1G4M1 I think it’s both
Also in chapter 5 the support character is the blackened, well in the dr1 bad end.
Is no one gonna tell him that Junko's title is the True Ultimate Despair, not just the Ultimate Despair?
Because that makes it less stupid
@@gstellar96 I feel like there's a lot of stupid things in Danganronpa.
close enough
That and also the characters were also called “The Remnants of Despair”
@@gstellar96 I think the Ultimate Despair is kind of an acquired title after she caused the tragedy. Her real title is the ultimate analyst according to the light novels, the abilities of which she also used to become the ultimate fashionista, and to pull off the insane things she does later on. Also, her incredible gift for analysis and logic based prediction is heavily implied to be the reason she feels incredible boredom at all times. Still dumb, for sure, but it has some semblance of explanation behind it
Eh, I'll give Hifumi using Celeste's real name a pass since that blow to the head undid Junko's memory erasure. It's not hard to believe that before losing her memory, Celeste was close enough to everyone that she'd let them know her real name. What the end of that trial was missing though was Celeste pointing out to the others that she didn't remember telling Hifumi her real name, creating the mystery of how he came to know it.
I now wanna know how Hifumi found out her real name.
Celeste directly tells everyone right at the end of the trial. She used it as the final piece of collateral to get Hifumi to help her, making him think that if something went wrong for him, he could use it as proof that it was all her idea and not his.
Yea. During Hifumi's last words, he says that he remembers their school life that was erased by Junko. Then he gives the name of his killer.
Now
How in the absolute fuck did getting bop in the head undo the memory erasing?
@@chorizord6974 Brain injuries do strange things.
The funniest/saddest part of V3's 4th case is that they wouldn't have had to do the trial at all if Himiko didn't assume everyone used the same dominant hand
Lol, true
The trial would have still happened, it just would have been shorter. Gonta would have still been conned into murdering Miu, he would just remember it.
Meaning the trial will be a lot shorter. Because Gonta isn't good at lying.
@@iouyp4463 and he would have likely admitted it. or maybe not as hemay plan to mercy kill all of his friends if he remembered
@@iouyp4463
also he wouldnt lie. he’d straight up admit it before the invesigation even started
My favorite part of the first v3 case was that during the first body discovery announcement, you can see the victim has a bloody hand.
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Soul Bound He is talking about Rantaro’s survival monopad from chapter 6
Also the blood on the wall doesn't match up with where the ball dropped from.
Also the blood is on the back of his head, not the top
@@caramelapple5562 Well that is because... some thing during the sixth class trial...
“The best part is Kokichi”
Complete mood.
YES
wow its flowey
basically undertales monokuma
@@CovensAgainstTheThrone
Woah, its Ibuki Mioda
Basically Danganronpa’s Mettaton
@@fandomfollower5247 I-
"Mettaton, the Ultimate Musician"
"Ibuki Mioda, The Ultimate TV Star-"
If Dangantale doesnt exist, it needs to.
“The murder weapon was toilet paper” Gonta was just worried for miu cause he thought she had the coronavirus so he used toilet paper to wipe the coronavirus away from Miu and failed...... *Badly*
KIET LUONG LMAO
😂😂
Gonta want protect Miu from corona virus
There must have been a ton of bad bacteria around her neck
Lol
Video isn’t even 30 secs in
Me; SEESAW SEESAW SEESAW SEESAW SEESAW SEESAW SEESAW SEESAW. SEEEEESAAAAAW
the seesaw was rediculous... but it was a clever idea
SEESAW
my new religion is seesaw effec
tbh i actually like mikans case, only because it gave more insentive for the player to think about howcome mikan is like this due to "remembering" who she used to be, so ofcourse any player would start thinking about the possibility that everyone else is just like mikan in the past.
Me too, really.
H K isn't that the point of all the motives that Monokuma gives.
@@sceptile6375 true
It sets up the remnants of despair reveal well tbh
Fax it's a great use of foreshadowing, but the trial was not as strong sadly
Honestly I kinda liked v3 trial 3, kiyo had a creative way of killing tenko
S E W S A W E F F E C T
It was also obvious. She died in a ritual he set up and suggested
MagicSoph 2407 yeah
S E E S A W
I seriously doubt it would actually work that way in real life.
Unless Tenko is made of jelly or something.
I dont get why people say that v3 shames you for liking it, its shaming the fictional people, who in their fiction, enjoy something where actual people die.
I agree, people really misunderstand the trial's point and then blame the game for it.
I can't blame people for feeling that way thanks to the way it was written, it comes off as the game shaming you for being a fan of the series. Think it was too meta for it's own good.
The game's message is nothing like that, but the way it's conveyed it is pretty bad, so it's understandable that people take that message.
Because people have to offended by everything. The message was never that and it's crazy that years after release people still don't understand something so simple. And also, even if it was, so what? Do people have such thin skin that they can't handle a game poking fun at them? Yeesh. It's sad.
@@sarkaztik3228 ur just a dick my guy
Dude about #5 you're mistaken. Tsumugi DID NOT plan the Fifth trial in V3 at *ALL.* Kokichi had stolen her spotlight by claiming to be the mastermind forcing her to take action (creating the Flashback Lights that implicated Kokichi as the new Leader of Ultimate Despair which was entirely false as he knew nothing about the group). Remember, after Kokichi revealed the "Truth of the Outside World", NOBODY wanted to participate in the killing game anymore, as they felt it was meaningless. This is exactly what Kokichi wanted as he despised killing, and his actions were detrimental to the mastermind's plan as they wanted to continue the Killing Game for as long as possible, which is why Tsumugi created the Flashback Light, by causing the survivors to believe they were students of Hope's Peak Academy, she galvanized them into action by making them think that they had a responsibility to stop Kokichi no matter the cost... which worked in her favor as Maki nearly became the blackened and her actions forced Kaito to cooperate with Kokichi, effectively CONTINUING the Killing Game which is exactly what the mastermind wanted. Tsumugi's statement of planning everything to a T actually makes her a WORSE mastermind when you really think about it, because she gave the students their talents and personality right? Including, Korekiyo a serial killer who *exclusively murders girls* (In Chapter 3 he mentions that only Maki and Miu didn't fit his criteria *Tsumugi was not among those who were beneath his standard* ) and Kokichi is far and beyond more intelligent than Tsumugi staying one step ahead and all times and, if his motive video is to be believed, leads a group that *ACTIVELY DESPISED KILLING* oh and in the second trial it's revealed that being exposed to your motive video has the same effect as a Flashback Light (implanting false memories) which means if Kokichi didn't have that mind set at the start of the Killing Game he had one after seeing the video. Do you see where I'm going with this? That trial was obviously a result of Kokichi's meddling, after all not even MONOKUMA knew who the culprit OR victim was until after the trial and if he didn't know what makes you think Tsumugi does? So no Tsumugi planning "everything" about the Killing Game doesn't decrease the impact of any trial in V3 that statement doesn't even make SENSE in context.
Yeah, when Tsumugi said she planned it all out, I think it was because that was a last ditch effort to make the others fall into despair and give up (only to trust in hope).
yeah he misses so many plot points in this video
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@@zdyner3896 I don't think she was completely bluffing when she said she had planned everything. Remember, she knew of Kaede's plan to take out the mastermind and when the shot put ball failed to kill Rantaro, she had to kill him herself
@@WolfRider2002 I don't believe Tsumugi had a script written for everything. With Kaede, the cameras obviously recorded her actions. But Kokichi used electro bomb to disable them and that's why even Monokuma didn't know anything. And why would Monokuma and Tsumugi not share knowledge?
20:08 NO THAT'S WRONG! Hifumi, on the edge of death, remembers everything that happened before the whole "tragedy" thing, and before that, the 78th class were all friends, so ofcourse Celeste would've revealed her real name to everyone.
How do you know this? Was there any evidence that he remembered anything? (I haven't seen that scene in a while)
@@MechaWyvern707 In that scene, he said "Before I met you all, I met you all".
@@genericyoutubecommentchann7418 Well, he's on the verge of death, so he wouldn't think clearly.
GenericRUclipsComment Channel Reverse Chapter 2 Logic. Character fails to use the “new” proper way to refer to someone
@@genericyoutubecommentchann7418 Hifumi addresses his classmates with their last name. When he said "Yaushiro" it couldnt have been Hagakure since that was his first name. Therefore, he said someone else's last name.
Mikan's motive wasn't that she got a disease that changed her personality she got a disease that made her remember everything. You know? The final twits of the game.
Kokichi's plan wasn't part of Tsumigi's. As he learns what is really going on and intends to end it himself. Everything else was her plan but this wasn't.
right? I feel like he‘s cutting tsumugi too much slack. pretty sure trial 5 was getting out of her control...
I really doubt she didn't plan it out. I mean, have you seen the body discovery announcement, she clearly doesn't give a crap
Squirtle is life what do you mean?
@@V1G4M1 she didn't even react to the body discovery announcement. She clearly had everything planned out
Squirtle is life ... I don‘t get what you want to say? if you mean tsumugi, she reacted like everyone else. why? because she was always playing a role. but on the other hand, during the trial, she reacted super shocked, when Shuichi even brought the possibility of kaito being the one who lived on the table...
“In a sequel that probably won’t happen”
This is why we have fangames-
Are there fan games out there?
Yeah, the fangames go even crazier than the games and are stupidly cool
Laura Quispe Diaz no way? Where do I get them?
There’s the Danganronpa: another series
But that is a Korean fangame
I refuse to play a virus infected game
Hearing Dafawfulizer say “Let’s give it everything we got! Iiiiit’s COUNTDOWN TIIIIIIME!” is all I ever needed.
I feel as if not enough people give Hiyoko as a character much credit. She is a person who is brutally honest and is ridiculously bad at lying (as showcased in the second class trial). She is a character that starts off in despair trusting absolutely everybody and treating them like shit until she starts hanging out with Mahiru, who gives her a glimmer of hope as her newfound friend, who she deeply cared about. This had finally gotten her to start climbing out of that despair and into happiness. Until all of a sudden Mahiru, her only friend is killed, and she, pinned as the murderer. She regresses back into a crumpled ball. After this however, she finally gets another glimmer of hope in Fuyuhiko trying to get her to forgive him, seeing his dedication to his path of atonement almost works until the Despair disease is introduced, causing her to completely shut everybody off and regress once more. This time, however all she has is her memory of her best friend Mahiru, and the kimono tying lessons she was taught. But even that doesn’t last for her. She risks taking a bath, which caused her to lose the only part of Mahiru that is left in her world. She doesn’t remember how to tie her kimono, the last speck of Mahiru gone and all happiness in her situation, is eviscerated. This event results in the breakdown that Sonia witnesses in chapter 3. And in midst of that awful emptiness, despair, mourning, and grief, she walks in on Mikan killing Ibuki, resulting in her death in the midst of terrible despair. I know Hiyoko gets a lot of flack as a character for being overly hostile (which I am not trying to say is OK), with even some people laughing at her death, I think Hiyoko is one of the best most subtly written characters in the series and one that I personally relate to quite a lot. TLDR: Hiyoko is cute I guess
Sunlit Absol This is exactly why I feel she should’ve survived! She was supposed to in place of Fuyuhiko. It would’ve been awesome to see her arc continued through the rest of the game. And I know they switched them out cause Peko’s death would’ve been meaningless, but let’s be real Fuyuhiko had a great arc too. So in place of Hiyoko could’ve easily been Sonia o more likely Akane.
Case three should've been a normal murder or it should've been Sonia or kazuichi. Love the guys, but hiyoko needed to live more (I mean I imagine if the one person that she considered the weakest kills two people and goes insane)
Fun Facts: Hiyoko was supposed to be a survivor but everyone hated her so they decided to kill her off
Edit: this is wrong they didn’t kill her because everyone hated her.
@@urumiaramaki wrong, originally fuyuhiko was going to die instead of hyoko, but that would've made trial 2's aftermath and chapter in general pointless. There are things such as arc redemptions, and that is what hyoko was going through
Squirtle is life sorry! That’s what I heard
just one thing I wanna mention, Tsumugi never planned out kokichi's plot, nor korikiyo's, the reasons why is because they wern't affected by the flashback lights. Since the Flashback lights were the main motives (not counting kaede) they were completly un scripted. Kaede's was expected, korikiyo was crazy before hand, so who ever would have been the killer in ch3 didn't kill since they weren't affected, Maki tried to kill kokichi after she was affected, and kokichi and kaito were never affected, so once maki's plot failed, kokichi thought the plot up on his own, so tsumugi was caught off guard by those events, that's all I really have an issue with, since I can understand both sides on the V3 ending debate, but I thought I should mention that.
I think Korekiyo would have been given the creepy personality as part of his character as well as the serial killer backstory
You do know that both Kork and tsumugi are into
(Spoiler)
Incest right? Is it coincidence tho? I dunno
@@thefearshark there's a line or maybe lines (IDR exactly) in the 6th trial where she states she planned it out, though the fact that kiyo killed for himself, and not because of the flashback lights and her being unable to know what the hell kokichi was planning in ch5 wasn't caused by the flashback lights. which did catch her off guard, and she did seem to be a bit of an actor with how she's able to portray the past cast members exactly with no issue. (sorry if I explained it a bit weirdly)
While I agree with what you said about Kokichi, I have to disagree with Kork’s case.
[SPOILERS]
If anything... Kork was the most telegraphed out of everyone in the game. Unlike everyone else...he was given a motive (his abusive sister) from the very BEGINNING of the game. He was not only given a motive to murder, but also a motive on WHO to murder (all the girls except for Miu and Maki) and by that method, Tsumugi was able to manipulate Kork’s actions.
I theorize Maki was a similar case, with the whole ‘False Ultimate’ thing, but it wasn’t to as much of an extreme, and was thwarted by Kaito being Kaito
It's really funny to me that 3-3 implies that the double murder could've been committed by two people and it was just Kiyo while 1-3 ACTUALLY has two murderers and one of them just happened to be killed.
Kaitos execution was one of my favorite because it was a huge middle finger to Monokuma. Kaito died before the execution killed him and he died seeing his dreams of going to space be fulfilled which prevented Monokuma getting satisfaction of Kaito being executed which makes it my favorite.
A countdown of the trials where 2-3 isn't the worst trial. That's a brave opinion to have.
That's a funny way to spell "wrong"
Incorrect.
@@squirtleislife1312 Or *Wong* in Nagito’s case.
V3's first case absolutely blew my mind and not talking about the connection to the 6th trial is just wrong in my opinion.
Also while I agree that V3's 6th trial was too long and Tsumugi talks too much, it's not true, that there is no mystery in it. For example the whole stuff about Rantaro and figuring everything out about him to understand the killing games rules was damn interesting. I'm not saying it's the best case ever or anything it has it's flaws but I think both trials are too low on that list.
Worst thing in case 1 is the victim, Rantaro is such a cool character.
To be fair he only had the bottom 3 as bad in his mind so I feel like a lot of them could have been changed around a lot.
@@luminaree7 Yeah, I agree.
By the way they are going to announce something new about Danganronpa April 18th.
Honestly, while I really enjoy V3 first case because of that Rube Goldberg machine setup and like the connection in case 6, case 6 is like my least favorite case in the franchise due to the really obnoxious cosplay roulette thing which wears out its welcome real quick especially with Tsumugi changing characters every other sentence, and that whole segment where you do nothing being so boring. I really enjoyed the twist of V3 and the investigation part of case 6 was awesome but the trial part was so god awful that it killed any good will I had for V3 ending.
I dont think so. The trial is not so funny as the other final trials...
Even then, it's not as fun to deduct whodunnit as the others due to how few characters thers are. Especially since tsumugi ironically sticks out like a sore thumb.
31:11
The danganronpa team said it’s okay for people to haves mixed emotions about this last trial but you don’t have to just straight up say they are making fun of their fanbase
Yeah it was seriously confusing af
I swear to god, hearing all the death scenes make me not want to go to sleep. Especially hearing Nagito's death music.
All of the death music is similar what's the difference with nagito music
@@DanielB212 I think he meant the investigation music
I'm sure Kaede - the "protagonist" - being the murderer was foreshadowed by Nagito in the Dangan 2.
If I remember right, Nagito tells Hajime about a book he read where the protagonist was the murderer but the book didn't reveal the killer's plan until the end.
Nagito’s luck strikes again.
Even when he isn’t even in the game.
Actually in Danganronpa 3 towards the end it's hinted that Tsumugi aka The Mastermind was the one who murdered Rantaro at the start of the game meaning Kaede was actually innocent and therefore unfairly executed. And I've came up with the theory that Kaede was aware that she was innocent but as the 1st trial went on she realized that The Mastermind rigged the first trial to ensure either her or Shuichi would be unfairly executed, and gave Shuichi a non-verbal signal to present the evidence that would have her be framed as the killer, because she realized that if one of them had to be unfairly executed it should be her as Shuichi due to being The Ultimate Detective had a much better chance of uncovering The Mastermind's identity, and bringing The Mastermind to justice.
Not sure if that’s intentional or not but I’ll now hold onto this idea
"I was legit angry when I first heard it ... I really hate 'none of this is real' twists. Unless it's for a joke, I don't like being reminded that the work of fiction I'm experiencing isn't actually real.
Kinda defeats the purpose."
The entire point of the final trial was a rebuttal of exactly that idea, though. The idea that something being fictional makes it less impactful somehow is addressed directly. That's the whole point Shuichi makes about their experiences and emotions being real. That's the whole point of Kokichi in his entirety. It's the culmination of his and Shuichi's clash of truth vs lies. It's the climax of every previous trial in V3 revealing some sort of horrible truth that makes the characters question if maybe they were better off ignorant, living the lie they were beforehand.
I mean, it's still possible to dislike that direction. I don't like claiming that everyone who disagrees "Just didn't get it". But to be frank, considering you don't even address that at all and get numerous other things wrong about just the plain facts of cases (like Kokichi's actions being entirely part of Tsumugi's plan), I feel like you really kinda didn't get it tbh.
I get it completely but it sucked completely
I get it and I still didn’t like it.
This whole mindset "you people didn't like the ending just because you didn't get it" is so stupid. Everyone gets it. Everyone heard Shuichi's speech. The finale is still poorly written.
When the game goes out of it's way to defend it's lack of a proper story with some dramatic speech - that's a sign of a problem.
@@signsenough6621 And how do you reckon the game "lacks a proper story"?
@@bld9826 The overarching story was shot down by the revilation about the Flashback lights (which many people saw coming since they were created by Monokuma) so that just leaves the trials and conflicts between characters:
Chapters 2 & 3 were stand-alones since their conflicts started and ended over the course of each chapter.
Ch. 4 & 5 are connected by Kokichi's plan that fails thanks to Shuichi revealing said plan to Monokuma - so the plan doesn't go anywhere as well.
That leaves Ch. 1 & 6. Tsumugi essentialy lays down the clues for the rest of them to pick up so that they find out the big twist. Then she drops the bomb about everything being fake effectively putting all previous events into question.
It doesn't matter if she's lying or not because *now* there's no way to know anything for sure.
So when Shuichi gives his speech about feelings being real it just sounds like excuses from the writers. After all, they decided to compromise the whole game in exchange for a shocking plot twist, that doesn't even twist anything since it's the end of the game.
How did we go from a murder mystery game to complete fourth-wall-breaking and existential crisis in one chapter which is the last one? It's not as clever as it sounds.
I'm so glad Gundham's case reached the number 2 spot-
As someone who absolutely adores Gundham as a character (alongside Chiaki and Mahiru), his case, motive and overall execution made me sob. When we were tasked on figuring out who the other person in the Deluxe Room was, I let out a literal audible gasp. I immediately felt tears welling up in my eyes as I selected Gundham. Then followed the futile attempts that Sonia took to save Gundham, followed up by Gundham only rebelling due to Sonia's constant pleading to fight back and disprove the claims. It's heart-wrenching to see a similar situation to Peko and Fuyuhiko, but with two likable characters since the very beginning. Both of which have tried their hardest to appeal to the group and try, try their absolute best in trials. Two characters who.. were unique and one wanted to protect the other. I'm not a huge fan of Sonia but after Gundham's case, I couldn't help but immediately fall in love with her character and bump her up on my favorite characters list. Just the raw emotions of one individual pleading for the other to be innocent- absolutely desperately trying to convince the group, and even Gundham himself, that Gundham was in no way capable of committing the crime- and then Gundham, putting on an act and a show.. putting on his villainous persona to keep up his way of living. He didn't give up on life. Sonia reminded him not to give up. Then, he was found the killer. In the most emotional motive ever, he killed to save everyone and teach a valuable lesson. Mechamaru also wanted to teach this lesson as he fought to the death with Gundham and didn't turn back. Gundham reminded them that they needed to live..
Gundham Tanaka, the Ultimate Breeder. He wasn't a bad guy. He just wanted to get along with everyone, he even let you shake his hand.
i felt this SO hard. his execution literally left me crying for weeks. his protection spell was for his four dark devas.. :( he genuinely felt like he should've belonged in hell, only to be carried up to heaven by animals. everything about that trial and especially execution was just...so emotional.
Same. The fourth trial of dr2 is the best trial and no one can change my mind.
It's so sad, I swear :(
Teruteru has my favorite way of going Batsh*t Insane during these.
I f*cking lost it when he just yelled "Avrile Lavigne"
“Ah told you to wait a sec ain’t I!?”
His accent change and the "AVRIL LAVGI NE" killed me
If memory serves, Hajime actually says that it took him ten minutes between finding Ibuki and finding Hiyoko. Mikan is definitely still speedy, but not superhuman
V3’s first case is amazing and should be ranked way higher.
Glad that you gave props to V3's 4th and 5th cases.
Those cases really throw you for a loop and a half.
After Chiaki was revealed as the “traitor” I felt like dying the same way Nagito did. She was literally the best character, and it seemed that for once my favourite character would have a chance to survive. Chiaki was sweet, caring, adorable, funny at times and serious when she needed to be. She had so many amazing character traits. She deserved to survive until the very end. The entirety of the 5th trial in Danganronpa 2 made me feel the despair Junko was so obsessed with.
Stop getting filled with despair please. Nagito doesn’t approve.
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Wait no-
I can’t displease one of my favourite characters-
No matter what you say, Gonta is not coming back.
Oh god ow, my heart
Aghhh why would you remind everyone of that ;^;
@@thischannelremindsmeofmycr2471 idk
fuck you ;---; gonta was best boy
@@michaellatner975 rude
the thing about the first game's third trial you mentioned, where hifumi refers to celeste as "yasuhiro": when he was dying, he implied that he gained some memories back from their school life at hopes peak. so during their time as students, celeste at some point told everyone her real name, and hifumi got used to calling her that so when he was dying and probably unable to realize the other students didn't know celeste's real name, he naturally referred to her as "yasuhiro"
for the second motive, Junko probably had everyone voluntarily tell her their secrets during their time as students, too. she seemed to be friends with all of them in dr3, and while she could have probably dug up ppls secrets without them voluntarily telling her, hifumi's knowledge of celeste's real name along with other things (Chihiro wearing boy's clothes in the photo found in chapter 3, genocider openly gushing over Byakuya in a class photo, etc) suggests that everyone's "deepest secrets" were probably all revealed to the rest of the class before they got their memories erased.
which makes it even sadder, since that means the 78th class would have all been really close and they ended up killing each other
Oh my god! This is exciting!
Dafawfulizer is actually the reason I got into Danganronpa so I'm excited that he made another video about it!
Same!
$ame
Same breh
Same here
same here lol
Trial 5 of DanganRonpa 2 will always be my favorite of ANY of the games because of how insane Komaeda's plan was to expose the traitor, and the reveal of who the traitor was. It was so brilliant and I wish the game didn't have a contrived final trial.
Great list though, my dude!
Thanks man
Same can be said about Kokichi's
@@etam8099 He needeed kaito's help. Nagito has done all by himself.
Nagito >>>
@@trots4940 that makes no sense, Kokichi's plan was to trick Monokuma, someone has to know his plan in order to work, otherwise it wouldn't have made sense, too bad everything was already prepared by Kokichi so...Kaito was just a puppet controlled by him even after his death, so stop being full of shit
@@etam8099 It was a joke dude
20:08 I thought the reason Hifumi knew that was because the blow to his head erased the brain washing and he remembered everything (he even says so in his dying words). Hence, to me, that implies that before the world went to shot, Celeste told Hifumi/Hifumi and the class her real name.
While I agree on some of your placements in the countdown and disagree with others, I found this to be a really well made countdown list! It's very interesting to see other people's takes.
I really want to pick up the games now, even though everything is spoiled for me.
Eh, same thing happened for Spec Ops: The Line and I still loved it.
(Update: Playing 2. Enjoying 2.)
These games aren’t as interesting if you’re spoiled tbh
Boogiemywoogie disagreed, they‘re still super interesting if you keep your eyes open for all of the details they have... tho I still hate that I knew every victim and killer before playing it myself...
V1G4M1 I didn’t say they weren’t interesting at all, just that they’re more interesting if you have that element of mystery in it
Boogiemywoogie whoops, sorry, I somehow skipped the „as“ in your comment ^^‘
@@V1G4M1 It was more of a situation then anything else, I didn’t have a job or a private console to play it on. (Still in High School) Now I have a Vita and am playing DR2. Which I am enjoying. Just like Spec Ops: The Line
I agree with almost everything you said about the bottom spot trial. Another issue I had with it was that it seemed to use the 3rd case from the second game (which was my least favorite in that game) as a template, because it shares a lot of the same plot points.
-They’re both a double homocide where:
1.The first victim is the eccentric short girl that the writers seem to want the audience to hate (or only like ironically), and
2. The second victim is the girl who makes weird, goofy expressions and has implications of being homosexual.
-In both the first victim is only killed because they accidentally walked in on the killer doing something suspicious.
-In both, the two victims both died from neck injuries.
-The second victim is thought to have committed suicide at some point in both trials.
-Both cases involve a locked room mystery.
-Both culprits claim that their motive for committing the crime was out of love for a deceased person and they are somewhat happy to go to them in the afterlife.
There were probably more that I can’t think of right now, but those things did distract me. (Cases 4 and 5 of V3 also seemed to copy their respective cases from DR2 as well.)
I also thought it was super obvious that it was Korekiyo since there were only 4 people in the room that could’ve killed Tenko and process of elimination made him the most suspicious.
Also, one more complaint: Korekiyo’s actions make no sense. If he wanted to kill someone the entire time, then why didn’t he use the First Blood Perk during the first chapter? He could’ve escaped with no consequences. He mentions his sister during the first chapter, so he obviously remembers her. It honestly feels like they just wanted to use him as a joke rather than make a consistent plot point.
GenericRUclipsComment Channel this comment brings up so many points I never even thought of
I thought I’d talk about the other trials too, so here they are:
#17 from the list: Yeah, this one was also pretty bad imo, and the video covered most of the reasons. I was particularly annoyed that no one brought up the possibility that someone could have told Ibuki to kill herself since she was infected with a gullible disease, as that person would’ve been guilty based on the logic of the previous trial. I was also annoyed that they never said what Hiyoko’s murder weapon was. I do disagree with your statement on Mikan’s motive though; another comment went into that further. Also, I liked Chiaki’s belief without doubt monologue.
#16: I liked the first half of this trial, as it was kind of a murder mystery that re-examined the first trial, and I give it points for creativity, but I hated the rest of it for the same reasons as mentioned in the video. I also thought they repeated the words “fictional,” “hope,” and “despair” too often which got *very* annoying. Also Tsumugi is my least favorite character and this trial solidified that.
#15: I liked this case, but I get why people don’t have strong feelings towards it. That’s all I have to say really.
#14: Similarly, I enjoyed Junko and where the plot went, but was disappointed that there was no murder mystery. Also another plot hole: They said that the students handed their friends and family over to Junko so she could perform experiments on them. When did that happen? Junko was supposed to be sealed inside Hope’s Peak with the first game’s cast during that time.
#13: I enjoyed this first case. My only real complaint is how they didn’t really flesh out Leon’s character or motive. I know they kind of did later on, but I still think he should’ve explained his feelings himself. Also, I thought Sayaka’s plan was flawed since 2 people witnessed her go to the kitchen to get the knife.
#12: This is my favorite final trial too, and for the same reasons. This is the only time where I think the Hope vs. Despair theme worked honestly. But they spent way too much time elaborating how Mukuro was disguised in my opinion.
#11 I may be in the minority, but I actually figured out Kaede’s plan. They showed two pictures of Rantaro, and since the second game’s first trial also used pictures to reveal an important clue, I inspected them carefully, noticed the flash, and then I was able to piece everything together. (Not every detail, but most of it.) And that’s kind of where my problem lies. The whole trial relies on the player not noticing something until a character brings it up later rather than introducing new information as it goes on. Other than that it was fine. I also preferred Kaede over Shuichi honestly.
#10: I liked this trial for the same reasons mentioned in the video, but also because it feels like everyone contributes. Often times, some characters sit on the sidelines while others do most of the work, but it felt like everyone was active at some point in this trial.
#9: I can’t really explain why, but I wasn’t that interested in this one. I don’t hate it, but I was just kind of bored during it. If I had to guess, it might be because I thought Ryoma was kind of forgettable, and I wasn’t a fan of Kaito’s argument that everyone should believe in Maki despite her suspicion when she really didn’t do anything to make me want to believe in her up until this point. It also went against the second game’s message too. The entire trial really doesn’t connect to anything, and it just feels like they threw it in to get rid of filler characters.
#8: I didn’t like this one. I thought the culprit was way too obvious. They foreshadowed her working with Hifumi in the previous chapter, and the entire time she acts completely opposite of what she was normally like. Also, she constantly insists that Yasuhiro is the culprit during the trial when literally the first thing they established was that Yasuhiro couldn’t have done it. The plan was complex, yes, but once I suspected her, the entire thing just fell apart.
#7: I thought this was a very solid case, but I thought the motive was dumb. The delivery of it in the video game was excellent, but Mahiru didn’t even have any involvement in the actual murder of Fuyuhiko’s sister and Sato was already dead, so I thought his need to kill Mahiru for being an “accomplice” was unnecessary. This translates into Peko’s plan as well, which was also flawed. The entire murder was caught on camera, so her “tool” argument was invalid. So she just ended up killing Mahiru over nothing. Likewise, if the class had voted for Hiyoko, then Fuyuhiko would’ve been executed thus negating her goal. I honestly didn’t have any sympathy for Fuyuhiko or Peko when she died. I know that’s an unpopular opinion, but that’s me.
#6: This one was short, but I like it a lot.The only two things that I have to say are that Sakura’s smile made me suspect her, and I have a hard time believing that Sakura would be able to get hit over the head twice when both assailants would have to run to the shelf giving her enough time to react.
#5: I agree with mostly everything. The only thing I hate is that Shuichi solves the mystery when Kaito *literally* says that if Monokuma doesn’t know the culprit, then the game can’t continue. There were some other moments in the trial like that too.
#4: This one was also great. I agree with mostly everything.
#3: This is also my favorite from V3. I thought the virtual world’s secret was a little too obvious, and just a lesser version of the Funhouse though. (Both involved a two-sectioned area being separated but one person knows of a secret connection.) Also, Miu’s plan was dumb. She had electro hammers and a device that could control exisals, and yet she *still* wanted to kill someone to escape. Also, she was not subtle with taking out the bridge, made the mistake of walking in front of the window, and tried to make Kokichi her target by rendezvousing with him. That was probably the worst way to go about it.
#2: Literally nothing else new to say.
#1: Great choice. It might be my number 1 too. (Although they may have spent just a bit too long on the fire grenade twist, and I thought it was pretty obvious that the Future Foundation wasn’t bad since Usami/Monomi was so docile.)
There's not really a point in saying this, but I loved V3 chapter 4 even more just because of how painful it was emotionally, but that's just me being a sap.
Caramel Apple I can respect that. The emotional nature of it is one of the reasons that it’s my favorite from that game.
@@genericyoutubecommentchann7418 about the first blood perk thing, IIRC kyio says that he didnt kill before because he was still observing and choosing the appropriate girls to send to his sister. in his trial he also says he would never send miu and i think maki, so thats why he didnt use the blood perk, he wanted to make sure to kill the right person.
I think that the problem with the third trials is that, while having two victims instead of one sounds good in paper, it is a terrible idea if you don't know how to handle it. All of the third chapters are horribly written.
I mean really, the first game is the only one where it actually makes sense to have a second victim, even if Celeste pulled off one of most stupid and obvious murder plans in the series. (I can let Leon not noticing the 11037 message slide because he was most likely in panic during the whole thing, but the other things in the third trial are just outright idiotic). Also, they murdered Celeste's character in this trial with the terrible writing.
In the second game the second murder feels WAY too forced. It's really way too much of a coincidence to make Hiyoko walk in just in time to see Mikan staging Ibuki's murder. They also never talk about what murder weapon even killed her and mostly ignore her during the trial , and the trial itself feels like (and IS) a rushed mess. Just look at all the goddamn plotholes it has, not to mention that the Dispear Disease is just a lazy excuse to make someone who is unlikely to kill someone commit a murder.
And the third game... ugh, dear lord...
Taka was part of a murder plan and Hiyoko walked in at the wrong time, okay, but WHAT REAL REASON HAD TENKO TO DIE?!
Not to mention, that they murdered Korekyo's intelligence in this trial: Angie's murder is the perfect crime, why waste so much time and efford in having a second victim just so her death can leave even more evidence behind? And don't even get me started on the ruines possibilities this chapter had: If only the first victim's death counts, it would be a cool cocnept to see the cast having to live with someone who got away with murder, but no, it is all thrown out the window. Also, was it really necesary to have an incest subplot? (Also, V3 has *two* other incest subplots)
Also, the first two games killed Taka and Hiyoko way too early, a.k.a. in the middle of their character development. I'm asking myself why give them ay character development if they were going to axe them the very next chapter? Not to mention, people act like they never even existed after the trial. At least V3 did it better with Himiko, who actually survives
I think the game implied that Korekiyo was a serial killer. Korekiyo wanted to kill people to make more friends for his sister, a hundred to be exact. By making more friends, he means killing them so their spirits can meet his dead sister. He definitely had a reason to kill two people, but I agree that it was not really well developed and would be more interesting if there were two killers.
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I know that, but wouldn't It be more practical to get away with murder so he could continue with his schemes outside the academy? (of course, there really is no point in leaving but still)
He did say that all the girls there (except Miu and Maki) were suitable candidates, so finding girls who can fit his "requierements" shouldn't be that hard either.
Bassi-Kun 99 Yeah u have a point. It would definitely be better if he escaped. There really wasn’t a reason to kill two people
I think taka would’ve died either way cause, remember, he hasn’t eaten (You know because of the whole, *Mondo Butter* thing) Though then the game would have two suicide deaths and idk if that’s a good thing. For the second game, I honestly really wish they swapped chapter 3 and 4. You can still have it be a double murder, except instead of Nekomaru only dying, Sonia would be included as well. And V3, idk how to make it better, it legit just sucks.
I 1000% agree with them butchering Celeste. Because she's a skilled liar and manipulator, they had to write her murder badly to kill her off
Personality I think I'd be cool if someone got revived
Assuming you trust Tsumugi's speech at the end they actually could make it happen, just find a person who looks similar and use the Flashback Light on them
@@nine2605 That would be so cool! Though I wonder if the replacement would have the memories of their "death" and get super confused when they realize they are alive, or not remember and get super confused when everyone else freaks out when they first show up?
@@caramelapple5562 I think Tsumugi predicted that they would revive Kaede, as Kaede's twin sister was mentioned in the Gofer project. Kaede probably had a stunt double waiting for her
Angie was going to resurrect Rantaro though, what if she actually accomplished it?
That would be great
@@caramelapple5562 I think ryoma would work for remembering the death bc he wanted it so he would probably have an arc to want to live after
Fuyuhiko's little sister looks A LOT like Kaede. She was even killed in a room with a piano.
The 2-4 Trial was absolute genius. Everything from the murder, to the motive, to even the reasoning itself. Gundham became my favorite character because of his this trial, and instantly gain my respect.
P.S. One of my favorite parts about Gundham is how serious he believes his own motive. He doesn't give up on life, and therefore continues to fight and defend himself(even though he was wrong and possibly knew that he would be found out).
Haven't seen Danganronpa in a while. Thanks for bringing me back to the fandom
damn v3 is my favorite, interesting to see the other end lol
Im just going to ignore that “i hated tenko” thing you said sweetie
But it’s true.
she’s precious and deserves the world
sushiwithjams nah she’s just a feminazi and so gullible.
@@grimxdisstracks3178 Bro have you ever done her Free Time Events?
Dartrevas Blazing yeah and Tenko said that she hates men cause of her master
Who is also male.
1-3 is my worst case. Since you solve the case instantly by knowing that the robojustice suit is so stiff it could never take Hifumi away. Thus Celeste lied about the photo so she's the culprit. You then talk about this stiffness in like the first 10 minutes of the case, so the trial should end in 10 minutes, but it doesn't.
Now I’m just waiting for his least to most favorite executions
Actually the reason how Hifumi knew Celeste's real name is because when he was hit in the head, he (somehow) remembered his school memories. This also hints that Celeste most likely opened up to her classmates by telling them her real name, strengthening the point that they were all reallg close. Which makes the case more sad 😭
the first trial of danganronpa v3 is one of my favorites and one of the best written because if you rewatch it RIGHT after beating v3, you’ll realize how close they actually were to figuring out the true culrpit of it and its so heartbreaking that if kaede had known she didnt kill rantaro, everyone else’s deaths starting from ryoma coulda been prevented.
20:12
I think it's because right before he died he remembered everything he forgot which made him remember a time where someone called Celeste by her given name. Or something like that. Or maybe Celeste told him to call her that so if he decided to tell he would say Yasuhiro pushing the suspicion onto Hiro.
*types in "Pootis Of The Caribbean" and sees this*
Wow. F-ing wow.
It’s just perfect
Welcome to Danganronpa, buddy.
i swear, Chiaki's "family" of sorts (Her, Chihiro, Alter Ego and Usagi) are all complete Cinnamon buns too pure for this world and when i saw the deaths of all of them i cried more than i did about every others death, not to mention they are one of the main reasons why the player win's the first 2 games (in their own way)
The reason why V3's ending was so long was because when the devs decided to put in the other characters they only really expected half of the voice actors to agree if they were lucky. But to their surprise everyone agreed, that's why the "it's fantasy" took so long. They needed to spread out all of the characters.
This is a very solid list, I agree with almost all of the points
Stats:
DR1 Avg: 9.67
DR2 Avg: 8.5
DRV3 Avg: 10.33
Case 1 Avg: 11.33
Case 2 Avg: 6.67
Case 3 Avg: 14.33
Case 4 Avg: 3.67
Case 5 Avg: 7
Case 6 Avg: 14
The real Chiaki Nanami's execution shown in Danganronpa 3: The End of Hope's Peak, might be one of the saddest moment in the entire series
Edit: Spoilers for sad moments V3:
Also Kaede’s execution and how Saihara takes up the lead, Ryoma’s death, definitely the entire 2nd half of the 4th trial, the aftermath of the fifth trial, and the ending as well. Basically the entirety of V3.
The thing that I love about the 2nd trial in the first game is when Kirigiri said that Mondo refers to chihiro as kid instead of chick. So it's fun to look back and see that it really did change.
I really disagree with you on V3. I loved the cast and story 😔
For me I didn't start to like the cast until they were either dead or past case 4. Still like the game though
I only liked kirumi, gonta, miu, and space man. Everyone else (especially kokichi) was and is dry
@@Kirumiiiii777 How was Kokichi dry?
@@candybird for me.the serious can die in a hole
Edit: just so you know it’s a joke based off a few of the in-game deaths
4 and 5 made the entire series my favourite I think
When he said he hated Angie, I felt that. 😔
😔
So did autua
Don't understand how people hate her. She did nothing wrong
@@KuroAcedia Does the student council ring a bell?
*sad nuc noises in the distance*
Your top pick is also mine. When I found out about the poison grenade I felt my stomach drop. That was an impossible scenario
I personally like both the second and third game’s final trials quite a bit more than you but I definitely understand why they aren’t as high. For me V3-4 is a great trial in terms of Kokichi and Gonta’s VAs but the case itself was relatively simple and seems to be very obvious to most people, myself included.
2-4 and 2-5 are definitely my two favorite cases in the series, with 1-4 being not far behind just in terms of characters. V3-5 has great parts but it just can’t live up to the expectations I had going into it.
I personally loved V3-4 because it was just so painful for me emotionally, but that's just me being a sap.
Caramel Apple That was probably the most upset I felt in any trial in the series, but I just wish the case wasn’t such a watered down version of the previous 4th case. It’s still a memorable trial but I feel it gets carried by the voice acting of Gonta and Kokichi, because as a case it’s just okay
my only problem with danganronpa 2's fourth case
"A device that transports things to different floors, i feel like I've seen something like that before"
what a mystery...
How could you forget to mention the beauty that was Celeste Fire Truck Execution?
The reason Hiyoko Saionji's death was so EH-, was because the developers didn't originally plan on killing her, but instead they planned on killing Fuyuhiko. The reason they were swapped out was because of Peko. If Fuyuhiko died, it would have been throwing away Peko's life as well. It would have just been a waste of development for Fuyuhiko AND Peko, if he died without growth from that. That's more than likely why the murder weapon for Hiyoko remains unknown. If you did in fact read this whole thing, thank you for your time.
this is apparently misinformation and was a fanon that just got accepted as canon at some point
@@V1G4M1 Good to know
@@V1G4M1 no, there's interviews with Kodaka that confirm it
Cross link me that interview then, I‘ve heard that so many times, bot got no source
I hate the fact that they might have originally killed Fuyuhiko instead of Hiyoko. Fuyuhiko is my favorite character in the series and Hiyoko is my most hated character in the series. I fucking despise Hiyoko
just a few minutes in and already hard agreeing with you. the necronomicon could have been such a cool idea. 3-3 is a freaking avalanche of great ideas that never actually go anywhere.
11:41 if it’s makes you feel better, thanks to most of the ultimate despairs follow suit after Junko dies, the Dr2 cast are known as the Remnants of Despair, which sounds instantly cooler (by the way, iyo, what sounds stupider, ultimate despair or super high school level despair)
"There are 3 games."
*mentions monaca really early*
Danganronpa Another Episode:Ultra Despair Girls:
*Am i a joke to you?*
[I love DRAE, so i wanted to my case on Danganronpa Ultra Despair GIrls.]
Fun fact: 26:40 in the original JP dub, Kokichi actually said "How could a game that youre forced to kill be fun?" But the subtitles changed "kill" to "play." Idk why, i think its to make him seen more complex(?), since the whole idea was for him to be unpredictable. The best word to describe Kokichi would be benevolent i think.
Okay I just found your channel and I've been watching them for a while, so ima ask...how the hell are you not big? Like
I think the first game’s chapter 2 trial is by far the best. It has some of the best plot twists I’ve ever seen, and it really says a lot about Mondo’s character and makes him my all-time favorite.
I got the first and second game a few days ago and I love it so much.
These are being ranked from the Trigger Happy Havoc game.
My least favorite trial is the final one.
My favorite one is the fourth one.
Glad to see another fan still records videos on the game.
17:18 "you know the real highlight of this case"
me: MEAT ON THE BONE!
"nagito"
me: ...oh
Yes yes yes I've been waiting for a Danganronpa trial ranking video!
If you don’t like Mikan, that’s fine, if you think the trial was boring, that’s also fine, but geez, that trial gets so much crap it does not deserve. First of all, two of the problems, the logistics, and the motive, are flat-out incorrect. The motive is not that Mikan is acting the opposite of how she should be, it’s that she remembered her life before the killing game. Recall that she’s an ultimate Despair, and it becomes what I would have to say is probably the best motive in the series. Second, Hajime literally states IN THE TRIAL, that he was away from the music venue for AT LEAST 10 MINUTES. If it was 2-5 minutes, I could see this being impossible, but 10 is more than enough if you’re prepared. Also, I personally believe that Mikan probably has some experience killing people considering she was an ultimate Despair, so she could most likely cut corners and trim around the edges to save time. The fact Ibuki has to die for no apparent reason was stupid, and Hiyoko’s death was definitely not delved into enough. I don’t think the trial is one of the best, heck, it’s still around only halfway for me, but it is nowhere near as bad as people say, and most reasons people give are completely and utterly wrong.
I agree, and plus of all the third chapter trials involving double murder this one does it best. Why? Because Mikan actually had a legit reason to kill the second victim: Hyoko saw her hanging Ibuki. She had to kill Hyoko. All the others double murders were dumb and had no fucking reason to happen besides "i wanted to".
Scantier well, I dunno about the double murder in the first game being pointless. It was actually a part of Celeste’s plan to have a double murder, and technically, she only killed one of them, and it did its job properly, too. It confused them well and wasn’t completely pointless, and it wasn’t a huge cause of her downfall, either. However, I do agree with that in regards to the the third game.
@@M3G4T3RR4 sure she wanted a double murder but there was no reason to.
Edlegard von hresvelg is the mastermind
Also akane should have died instead of ibuki
Yeah the survivors were not that good tbh
Well, my sequence of events may be off, so I'm sorry in advance. But, (I'm going to assume the whole Nekomaru thing happened before the whole despair disease) Just like the reasoning for Hiyoko instead of Fuyuhiko for the 3rd case, if Akane died, Nekomaru's sacrifice would have just been a waste of time, and the developers probably wanted Akane to grow from that experience. That's what I believe at least.
@@lotus4129 have nekomaru's sacrifice be for ibuki
@@liammcallister726 that wouldnt of made sense as akane and nekomaru had the special connection, not with mahiru.
@@isaacmahoney5947 but remember the despair disease thing was *BEFORE* the sacrifice
Me: **starts video**
„Danganronpa V3 is the worst game“
Me: „n...nani?!“
(Now before y‘all start bashing me for loving v3 my opinion may be different but I still respect and honor yours✌🏻😌)
It would have been better without that ending. From chapt 1 to 5 It was really good
Juan Olarte yeah I get that tbh, I personally really liked the ending specifically because it tried to not be liked and the characters basically chose the worst ending for the audience lol
@@juanolarte2332the ending was the best part
The very first entry and I'm already 100% on board with you. My biggest complaint is that V3 introduced so much that could have been incredible ways to shake up the formula, and yet V3 continually regressed back to the traditions of 1/2 and ignored all the fun new potential ideas they introduced. Well made first couple of entries with awesome complaints, and I look forward to watching the rest of it haha!
This. So many interesting things it could've done, and instead it just rehashed so much of the first two games. Like, instead of "take the obvious rip-off of the first two main protags even with the talent of a supporting protag, kill him off which makes sense for the mastermind to learn from Junko's mistake and get rid of the detective early and have the actual main protag with a more unique talent that has possibilities to apply in trials (think of Ibuki's great hearing being shared by Kaede so she can have some minigame where she notices from the tone of voice someone's lying)" to "we introduce a fresh, different new protag but kill them off immediately in a stupid way to make way for Makoto expy number 2". Not to mention that afyer taking so much from the first two games, they then felt they had to go meta and insult the audience by doing the meta shit so badly they had to backtrack in an interview. The third game was such a letdown after the first two stellar games.
V3’s whole shtick (and problem) is “Oh, we’re gonna introduce something new and exciting? Fuck it, let’s regress to the old ways!”
That’s why I prefer fangames
No matter what you say, the 2nd trials will always be my favorites. Idk if it’s the beautifully written style, the interesting plot twists, or the disturbing executions, they’ll always be my favorite
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Haa, another good list, and... to be honest, I kinda want to particularly throw in a happy nod for you liking Korekiyo's whole... deal as a part of the case! Like, I understand why a lot of people find it... extra off-putting, just on principle, but... ha, that kind of thing aside, /man/, did it... put the case and his character into basically campy horror/pitch, *pitch* black comedy territory for me - and... well, 'ey. 8,)b It's not like Dangan Ronpa has ever shied away from doing bugfuck crazy or depraved things with its characters and/or their motivations.
...The Mikan portion actually also reminds me, though. 8,|a For one, hey... I guess at least Mikan's motive can be taken as a foreshadowing, though I agree it would have been way more interesting if she had just snapped, while I also wish Ibuki had... stayed longer, come to think of it, I feel like her death would have also made sense in a double murder between her and Mikan if Mikan's motive *had* just been... snapping. Like, it still would have made more sense if Mikan had killed Hiyoko *first*... but considering how Ibuki got... leery over Mikan embarrassing herself, like, what if Mikan, still out-of-sorts in the mindset of having killed her biggest bully on the island (man, especially considering what her strain of the disease was, and that she, Mahiru, Hiyoko, and Ibuki were all pals once upon a time), decided she'd storm over to the sick-and-vulnerable Ibuki's room due to seeing her as also part of the problem?
I ironically like 3-3. Sure it ruined one of my favorite characters (the culprit) but the rest of it was a meme fest.
at least the subreddit is fun, if a little dead by now.
Daisysmartheart lowkey my favorite subreddit lol.
@@AttP907 good taste, I lurk it and would love to revive it eventually (haha necromancy pun)
@@daisysmartheart1947 what's the subreddit?
@@caramelapple5562 r/SeesawEffect, expected, but not a bad meme sub if that's what you want
There was a plot hole in case 5 of v3 that had me looking in the wrong direction. In the murder video there is no blood smear on the floor which had me believing that the body was moved after the press went down. Another issue was that in the final argument the electro bomb was triggered after maki attacked the control panel so the alarm should have triggered. I could be wrong with these and they don't really bother me but I thought I should say them anyway.
You are right, the blood trail on the floor was not visible in the video. Also the press suddenly slams down after the pause when it should have just continued lowering at the same speed as before since the characters made a big deal about it only going at one speed from what I remember.
GenericRUclipsComment Channel The reason it slams down is because Kaito breaks the press so that it falls and crushes Kokichi - remember, the press would stop if it sensed a person under it. So, in order to make it crush Kokichi, he had to break it, making it fall quickly. The difference in speed is how they figured that part of the murder out.
Will O No, that’s wrong. The electrobomb that Kokichi used is what jammed the sensor. And that was already in effect when the Kaito was in the press. The reason the press “stopped” in the video was because either Kokichi or Kaito failed to hit the stop/start and pause/play buttons at the exact same time, (most likely Kaito since he only had one chance) so the video was recording while the press wasn’t active for a split second.
But even then, the press should’ve still continued to lower slowly at the same speed. They specifically compare the victim being crushed to when Keebo was in the press earlier in the chapter, and with that, the press just lowers slowly the entire time. That’s what should’ve happened here. If I had to guess, they probably did it this way so the trial would’ve been harder to figure out, but they still created an inconsistency in doing so.
Also, breaking a sensor wouldn’t suddenly make the press gain a new speed. That doesn’t make sense. Watch the trial again. It’s around the 2 hour mark where they go into the “pause.”
@@genericyoutubecommentchann7418 Dam you're right. I thought that Kaito breaking the power cable was why it fell, but yeah it doesn't check out.
Nagito made 2-1 so good like it’s about characters that are not really liked by the fandom but it twists into actually being all about someone so many people love.
it was pretty smart to make those twists about nagito and not having it be known from the start since now when someone thinks of 2-1 they think of nagitos reveal and go like “oh yeah that’s cool” and not think much about the actual trial
1:10 that’s kinda the point of the story though.
Just let it be. It's no use to try to explain
The Japanese title is “New Danganronpa V3”, so I can see why avoiding new and interesting ideas can be upsetting.
@@genericyoutubecommentchann7418 the "new" comes from the idea of a killing game that had nothing to do with the rest of the series. It was a new timeline
I love a good case/trial analysis! Whilst I don’t agree with all your rankings this is still a great video :)
3:31 the way this was cut got me laughing way harder than it should have
Byakuya tampering with the evidence : I’m about to do what’s called a pro gamer move
18. Am I the only one who loves this trial? This could be because of my love for the culprit in this case. I do feel that Tenko and Angie were the weakest chars of the cast so I was glad to see them go honest. I'll give those two some credit, both had good intentions at one point, but their means of going about things I did find annoying at times. Give this case a little credit though, at least after this case Himiko became more motivated to help out. Also, Kiyo's execution is one of my favs.
17. Yeah I'll admit this one was confusing at times, but I still liked it. I know 3rd cases tend to be the weak links according to fans, but I enjoyed all of the 3rd cases because they became tricky to figure out. But yeah the logistics was a problem. How in the heck did Mikan have time to do the film, set up the crime scene, let the crime scene all within what probably took a minute for Hajime to tell the others? That's pretty bad.
16. I will admit, while I really do love V3, I do think it has the weakest final case. It started out very strong for me by retreading the first case, but it got so meta it left my brain numb by the time it was over. I think Kodaka was trying to top himself by asking, "Okay what can I do that no one will expect?" And this was his answer. So yeah I can understand the mixed feelings.
15. If I am being honest, this is the worst case for me because it would be torturous to watch Makoto eventually frame himself and Kyoko is my fav DR char . . . . so yeah . . . . This is actually the main reason I haven't bought the first game because I am scared to play this trial.
14. Am I the only one who doesn't mind exposition dumps? I LOVE this trial! It's not my fav Final trial, but I still love it, especially when you do get the biggest twist in the game on who the true mastermind is. And I don't know which game you played Dafawful, but in the Let's Play I watched, they were called Remnants of Despair. Still corny but I like it.
13. I'll be honest, when I first saw the original anime (I saw it before seeing a fanmade Let's play of it back in 2013), I wasn't surprised that Sayaka was the first to die.
12. This is my fav Final case too and man did I love it. I actually loved Junko here and I can see one person because the case of something big. After all she did say Despair was contagious. Then again I am one of those people that believes anything is possible too.
11. Mmmm, I felt you left out details that also made this case stand out too. Besides making Kaede to be the killer here, the victim itself was also shocking because Rantaro was the char with the mystery talent and in the past 2 games, those types chars were survivors (Kyoko and Hajime). Not to mention this trial left out 2 major details that would lead to the true killer, Tsumugi- the closing hidden door and Rantaro's bloody hand with the missing Monopad. I will admit, after I saw NicoB complete that first trial, I always felt something was missing.
10. This was the trial that you either loved Nakito after this or hated him. I honestly don't know how I feel about Nagito, but I do think he's a brilliant char and very original. You can tell his VA Bryce had a lot fun with him lol.
9. The victim in this case was shocking but yeah this was a very cool case. I need to rewatch it again because it was hard to remember all of the details. I just remember really loving lol.
8. Yeah it was only by one little slip up from Celeste that led to her downfall. Man was she an interesting char though. She even lied to herself in this game.
7. 2nd trials traditionally did pull the heart strings and this one really hit hard. I do feel it really dragged on for too long at times and like things had to be spoon fed to the others when watching NicoB play this game.
6. Oh yeah this one was a shocker. I actually am not a huge fan of the case on a subjective level because of the constant figure pointing and as a result, I felt it dragged on for too long.
5. I . . . . just don't like this case. Other then DR2's case 5, I felt this was bad for subjective reasons. True, Kokichi's plan was brilliant, but the emotional rollercoaster that led up to this point was too much, and it's why I haven't gotten V3 either.
4. Love love love this trial and after the final trial, this is my fav from the game. It heartbreaking, but at least I could handle it.
3. I love this trial, but the only thing that mars it is Kaito's behavior during the later part of the trial. It just had me lower my opinion of him for some reason. I commend him for being loyal, but I don't know, I just don't like how he treated Shuichi there towards the end, even with all the evidence.
2. OMG YES I love this case (and we now know what #1 is lol). I think out of ALL of the motives, this was one was the cruelest because Monokuma used a "Need" as the motive. I knew this would end in tragedy when I heard Hunger was the motive. I love Gundam, he's my fav DR Male char, and this trial is why he is my fav male char, because it really showed just how noble he was, despite him being a killer and his dark persona. And I'll admit it, I am a Sonia and Gundam shipper lol.
1. I never felt that the 'traitor' was a bad person by the time this game rolled around. But yeah, this case was screwed up, but definitely interesting. Yeah, Nagito's motive for killing the rest of the chars definitely explained why he suddenly changed his demeanor.
Cool list!
18 is honestly not my favorite, but still better that Fucking game 2 case 3
Zodia195 don’t worry this list is actually trash
Not yours I mean the video
@@thundrr1929 Hey it's all subjective in the end. I love countdown videos like this because if we all thought the same, life would be pretty boring.
I like Korekiyo, but I think his motive still falls in the lazy category. I don't mind a depraved motive, I enjoyed 1-3 enough. But Korekiyo's motive is basically a rehash of Mikan's motive without the clever foreshadowing to the twist. "I killed some random people because... love." Not only that, but it makes him look like a complete tool when he only got caught because he wanted to try out his goddamn seesaw. (But I'd still say that the ending scene where Kiyo talks about death is criminally overlooked.)
I actually think Tsumugi lying is less interesting overall. Her planning everything out is pretty dumb (besides some inciting things, like giving Kaito the virus, but not planing every single character interaction and murder), I mean why even use real people if you're just gonna puppet them? But I think a world where people are obsessed with the killing game and want to join in is amazing. Unfortunately, it's not looking that way judging from the prologue and the fake scene. It seems like Team DR just kidnaps random people, and everything Tsumugi said is a lie. Imagine if everything Junko said was a lie. We wouldn't have DR2, we wouldn't have UDG, we wouldn't have DR3. Junko lied about several things like the DR1 cast not surviving on their own and the whole of 1-5, but having the big reveal be mostly fake closes so many possibilities.
Great video this was a fantastic video and very entertaining keep up the incredible job I love your RUclips channel
Some people might get mad at me for this but I like v3s cast the best haha. I think their lines were funnier and more entertaining to watch. I just really like miu and kokichis interactions. I think they’re great. Himiko and Angie can jump of a bridge, though. I don’t know, that made the game for me. I found myself laughing a lot.
This isn’t really a good reason to have it be my favorite out of the three, but I guess it just is.
I do like 11037 and on the meat bone jokes more though.
I honestly think V3 is the best in the series. Each character is more memorable than those in the other games, the graphics are amazing, the story's progression was interesting too. They even have a game at the end where all the characters from the series talk to each other and it was so sweet! Especially the scene where all the protagonists were in on location 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂
The only downer for V3 is the ending trial and the story's conclusion. It just makes all the other games in the series feel no longer of importance to fans by breaking the link and saying that it's all fiction, and the amazing trials and executions in V3 that was experienced felt like a waste.
The part I did like at the end is the V3 meaning 53 and how there has been many killings, and how real ordinary people are being used.