MSI MAG Z790 TOMAHAWK D4 : MSI getting lazy (again).
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- Опубликовано: 4 авг 2024
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The Z790 Chipset doesn’t bring much new to the plate, so it is up to MSI to make us WANT their new TOMAHAWK variant.
Despite being an excellent board in every aspect, its differences between its predecessor, the MAG Z690 TOMAHAWK D4, are too minute, the upgrade too incremental to motivate an upgrade.
I would rather advice you buy the cheaper Z690 variant of this motherboard, which will cost you quite a bit less and deliver identical performances and features.
Enjoy!
CHAPTERS
0:00 Intro
1:22 The PCB
1:33 Design
1:47 RGB
2:01 PU Socket
2:16 VRM
4:41 RAM
5:04 M.2 SSD
6:24 SATA
6:45 PCIe Expansion
7:54 Back IO
9:25 Z790 Chipset
10:11 Front Panel Connectors
10:22 Cooling
10:51 Troubleshooting
11:15 Conclusion 
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Fantastic video! Thank you. This goes into detail like buildzoid but easier to follow and not 2 hours long. One of the best mobo reviews I've seen on youtube tbh, keep it up!
I'm very glad that your reviews are back on a regular schedule. Your reviews are knowledgeable, detailed, and very entertaining that they make deciding on a new Mobo upgrade so much more easier. You're definately one of the best Tech channels on You Tube. 👌 👌 👌 !!!
Hey David. This touches me a lot !
Can I pair it with i9 13900k
Am i going to face any heat issue or something else ?
Well done for your videos. Dynamic and interesting at the same time. Small question: between MAG z790 tomahawk (ddr5) and Gigabyte Z690 Aorus pro, which would you choose?
The best motherboard review I have seen on RUclips, Subbed. Only thing about this motherboard which I don't like is the lack of a PCI 5.0 M.2 drive slot for a nvme ssd.
Very informative video! Thanks!
This review sounds honest and professional. Thanks!
Hi, what do you mean by lacking of hybrid fan connectors? I checked the MSI site and they say: "MSI fan headers automatically detect fans running in DC or PWM mode for optimal tuning of fan speeds and silence..."
These couple of months later this board turned out to be a little bit better in price/performance. It dropped almost to the Pro-A price level while still offering a little extra (looking at you CMOS button). I also feel it may get BIOS updates more often since it's (gaming) Tomahawk board over Pro-A model - I had that with ASUS where their gaming boards had more BIOS updates over the course compared to "regular" models. I picked DDR5 version. RAM prices also going down continuously so there is no reason to consider DDR4 anymore. Looked like a nice fit for my 13600k.
I'm doing the same board and CPU. Already have the board and waiting for the 13600k. As long as you get ram on MSI's QVL... it seems like the 13600k with 6000 RAM should clock fine. How's your experience with the pairing been so far mate?
@@mass_stay_tapped_in528 I bought some Kingston memory, 32GB 6400. Worked like a charm with XMP profile.
the cad/cam software I use for work has issues with ddr5
great review and content my man!
You are absolutely brilliant at reviewing :)
Super review, you are very good on reviewing motherboards.
Is there any motherboard on the market (AMD or Intel) that has JDEC 5600 for 128GB) and also has a Gen5 m.2? This board in DDR5 variant only has the memory spec, not the m.2 spec (i see the MSI MPG Z790 CARBON WIFI has those specs...is there any cheaper board that has that??)
Laurent between this motherboard (DDR%) and the z790 Aorus Elite X (DDR5), which one would you pick for an intel i9 13900k?
These are the other components of the pc:
- corsair 1000w gold plus
- rtx 3090 fe
- Corsair Vengeance 64 gb RAM 6400 mhz CL32
Thanks!
Sir please reply which better z790 or z690 edge for i7 13700k
I like that you startet to recommend what tier of processor to pair with each board that is really helpfull :D
hi, Is it necessary to unscrew the screws during installation?
Is ram chip different than on z790-a pro?
in my country Z790 Tomahawk DDR4 using RAA229132 not RAA229131 like yours. and at the back of the board there are eight ISL6617A phase doubler.
does it mean our motherboard version is not 16 direct phase of vcore? and just 8 phase with doubler? thanks
Exactly!!
Best mobo for 13600k? Z790 pro a d4 or this mobo for 70+ euro more?
I already purchased the MSI x670e Ace but enjoy your site so much I watch reviews despite not needing a motherboard.
You are too kind :)
Waiting on the MSI Pro review. First time here!
Will you be reviewing the DDR5 version?
Love the 7 SATA plugs. I have two IcyDock 5.25" bays. One with four 2.5" SSDs, one with two 2.5" and my 3.5" backup drive. All hotswap. Even If I don't have drives in them - in my future computer at least the system drive will be a NVME drive, I still have the possibility to plug drives in that way.
Make sure you plug in your sata devices before you install your graphics card. My 3070 hangs over the sata plugs and the single sata plug by the power supply is a no go. No room to use it because of the power supply
What about the MPG EDGE? What do you think?
Good review! Thanks! Is this motherboard a good choice for running several OS's in a bare metal hypervisor situation, with a Core i9-91300k CPU?
this exactly what I'm going to go with it: run proxmox. the 7sata ports are going to come in handy.
Oh oui, he’s back.
Have a good weekend, Laurent!
Bought mine and loving it, yes it came down in price with ddr5. but i can see this being my future server board as your can run a decent raid with 7 hard drives
Hey will you be reviewing the msi 570S edge max WiFi ?
Hey! MSI did change things. On the newer board the PCIe 4x4 Slot is the bottom one, so this most important slot for example for capture cards stays accessible with big graphics cards. Was not the case before! Also many more controllers for the USB ports. The old design with the x4 slot in the middle was carried over to the PRO Z790-A and it's a pity!
We need a selection of motherboards for current processors from Intel and AMD (price/performance).
Have packet loss with 1226-v ethernet card. I had the issue, fixed it somehow (not sure which drivers I installed or maybe got lucky) And now I had to reformat and the issue is back and I cannot refix. What a bummer. I'm getting packet loss unacceptable!
So with an i7 13th gen what best one to get
best first name
At first glance it makes more sense to bifurcate the pcie5 x16 to one m.2 and a pcie4x16 but consider that the 4090 uses all 16 lanes already and it's easy to extrapolate that future GPU will make use of the added bandwidth for compute.
My big doubt is ... do I get the DDR4 model and use it with a good DDR4 4000CL16 kit with tuned sub timings or do I go for DDR5 6400 CL32 ? For gaming what do you advise?
Is money an issue ?
@@Laurentschoice 32GB of good DDR4 4000 is the same price of DDR5 6400 CL32 where i live. Is that the point of your question?
Ok. Just for sake of future proofing I'd go DDR5 .
Awesome review dude! Just one question I couldn't find addressed in the video, what is the LAN controller on the board? Is it updated to the I226-V or the same I225-V from last gen. I only ask because I've heard a lot of issues with I225-V chipsets and an updated one would ideally be fixed
i225-V
@@Laurentschoice hm ok. thanks for getting back to me
I just installed a Z790 Tomahawk WIFI DDR4 and it shows Intel(R) Ethernet Controller I226-V in Device Manager
@@BradThurber I got the ddr5 version and noticed the same thing. that’s hopefully a good sign for there not being LAN issues
There's at least one article and reddit threads around the I226-V having the same problems as the I225-V. In fact, the i225-V gen 3 (the last one they made) is said to have less problems than the newer I226-V :(
Nobody does a better review than you and I mean Nobody! As usual what a great video
I wonder if the Z790 Tomahawk DDR4 is worth it over the Z690 Tomahawk DDR4. I have 32GB of 4000 CL17 DDR4 that I will be using. I want to get a 13700K, I know I will have to flash the Z690 bios but that's not hard to do.
Looks like you answered this in the conclusion, I'll save some money and get the Z690 version.
This mobo was my choice for i5 13600K upgrade. The main reason is it has 7 SATA connectors so my HDD and SSD drives can migrate fully. I'm glad there is super fast Type C port, I believe PSVR 2 will be using that.
Are you satisfied with z790 Tomahawk? Would you recommend it to others? I also have a 13600k. Thank you in advance.
@@kleptokratija yeah, it's a good board. The only issue I have is once in a month Ethernet adapter is not booting up so I have to restart it via Windows settings.
@@Cheenael Thanks for the feedback! Also doing the same pairing
@@Cheenael get a pci adapter then there are some 10GB lan extension boards out there
Hello, I would like to know if this mobo is a great choice to purchase ?
I want to pair it with I5-14600K
( I heard some nasty things about DOA, but on ddr5,not ddr4 so I'm good ?
Yes your fine. Don't forget to update the bios for ur CPU to work.
@@Laurentschoice Yep, thank you
does it have bluetooth?
Hello Laurent, I have a question. I am looking at this MSI MAG Z790 and Asus ROG STRIX z690-a gaming wifi d4. Which motherboard will you recommend for a high-end gaming build
Hmm.... they are very similar boards. The Strix has a little more premium to it.
Reviewing it today
@@Laurentschoice thank you so much for your response.
Anytime Ryan :)
Best Mobo Reviews to be found on youtube, right here
First, glad you review the new z790 series mobo, Motherboard Profesor 🙇🏼♂️
Dam you were fast!
Can this board handle 2x16 6800 ddr5 or 6400 ddr5 max? I get confused on R1 vs R2
Picked this one up tonight for 130 bucks open box at Micro Center. I love the design of this board and it should be able to overclock my 12900k better than the board I was going to use.
I bought this board because I had the Z490 tomahawk prior. Wouldn't recommend upgrading from the Z780. But if buying one of the two, recommend the Z790
Bro what if I turned off my pc from shutdown and then main powerline without seeing that bios is updating then what the fk will happened ☠️💀
The z690 doesn't allow bios flashing without a CPU does it? If not then telling people to get a z690 isn't helpful for new buyers
It does :) . The z690 tomahawk can flash its bios without CPU :)
Take a look at my review of that board .
I hope this helps
Its still on the 1700 socket though/the meteor lake platform/the 1851 socket, MAY be right around the corner. Most likely the i9-14900ks will be on the 1851 socket,not the 1700 socket.
@@mattmatt2417 it doesn't matter. BIOS updating is what matters here. 14th gen will not be supported on z690 or z790.
Hi Laurent! Woud you recommend this MSI MAG Z90 TOMAHAWK or ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A GAMING WIFI? It's for a i7 12700K, DDR4.
Hi Joel, I would suggest you watch my video i just published today. It is the review of the ROG STRIX Z790-E, but it is so similar to the ROG STRIX Z690-E, it will help you make that informed decision. L.
@@Laurentschoice Thanks for your answer, Laurent! At the moment the ROG STRIX Z690-E cost over $400 and the Z790-E as you said in your video more than $500. That's why I was asking about the ROG STRIX Z690-A vs MSI MAG Z790 TOMAHAWK. Because both have the same price (at least where I have in mind to purchase) and it doesn't exceed the budget I have in mind to spend on it.
What cpu / gpu combo are u going for ?
@@LaurentschoiceGpu 3080ti and cpu probably i7-12700k or 13700k. (Not sure yet about cpu, the gpu I already purchased)
Either ROG strix Z690-F (not E) or the tomahawk z690. I reviewed both :) .
Go fir the cheaper of the two.
Good morning Laurent!, beautiful motherboard🤤🤤🤤
I bought this one for the external clear cmos button, and for some reason one site already put it on daily offer for just £5 more than the Pro-A.
I'm planning to test if Z790 allows better DDR4 overclocking than my Z690, but I'm blocked by ETA on my new case of 25th november (thermaltake core P3 pro),
My current 4k setup is ITX with the asrock DDR4 Z690 and 12600k which will become my 1440p setup after.
Good deal !!!!! Really good one
@@Laurentschoice I know, I had to check the serial to make sure they hadn't switched it with a Z690 lol. Original preorder price was £359, Pro A was £319. Daily offer on Z790 tomahawk £325.
I bought a 4400 DDR4 kit when they went on sale which goes crazy high on gear 2, going to use this board for G1 vs G2 testing since nowhere is doing that (does 3800CL13 G1, 4800CL17 G2 on my current Asrock Z690), 12600k for now, will get a 13900k early next year to hopefully get a better IMC.
Gonna be abusing that external clr cmos button like a son of a ...
Does Z790 have a better memory controller than z690? which I think they do
Yes it does. In DDR5 memory support mainly allowing upto 7200 MHz clocks on this very board DDR5 variant .
The z790 DDR5 base clock is also significantly higher than seen on z690.
But obviously in a gaming context ... still not providing tangible differencr has seen on 5ghz+ DDR4 sticks.
@@Laurentschoice does this means running 6000mt/s memory on Z790 would be more seamless and hassle free than Z690?
For 6000MT/s worth of data transfer I would stick a DDR5 board.
Z690 or Z790 won't make much of noticeable difference at that level. But you have higher chances to go beyond 6000MT/s with a Z790 supported DDR5.
Hope this helps.
That's a very specific question. Doing content creation, 3D rendering ?
This is the best motherboard in MSI without the dragon cartoon on the heatsink
do msi z790 carbon PLZ!!! i just bought it and hope it be good😂
I still want to use my DDR4 RGB RAM so I got this MB at a pretty good discount, new at $189 paired with a 13600k at $280. Works great so far with my 3080TI!
This is supposed to be a budget option.. if you want fancy buy the carbon version
Well I can't speak for the board specifically, MSI has had a really fantastic DDR4 implementation I have a z690 edge, I was able to get 4300 running in gear one 15-15-8-13-28 on it which was pretty cool, mind you I never run anything that fast for actual gaming over DDR4 is still faster than DDR5 because of latency in games that are less textured demanding(esports games and the like), dailying a 13700K 5.4, 4200 c16
Also special shout out to MSI for having a working trcdw timing
Please review msi z790 carbon
I have the DDR5 variant of this and in the manual it does mention Pcie 5 support for the 2nd M.2 slot, the rest are 4
i'm looking at the manual right now ... don't see this ... where??? what page?
Only Pcie 4
Does it have debug leds?
It does :)
Only video i understood more about VRM's in Grave Detail, which in other videos they Beat Around the Bush to Much...
Thanks for that :)))))))
Well.... If on other videos u didn't understand what they were talking about, chances are they didn't either.
I find so many reviewers trying to serve us a word salad trying to hide the fact they don't understand the very basics of what is the motherboard beating heart!
Welcome to the channel :)
@@Laurentschoice : Think the TomaHawk Z690 has the Same as what you explained in timestamp 2:22 just because the Boards are the same exact twins don't mean may have same configurations.. Why I am asking you B4 I decide to Buy Z690 or go for the Z790 Although Z690 an i7-12700K Bundle is much Cheaper in Price...
The best mobo reviewer is back.
way too kind Swizzler :)
This mobo is good for intel i9 13900k and rtx 4080 ?
Far from it. That title goes to Buildzoid from actually hardcore overclocking.
Hmmm, you have problems reading I suppose.
GPU mosfet is a 75A RAA220075, not 90A :)
Probably going to say something very controversial.... doesn't make the board any better :)
@@Laurentschoice Nope, but makes your reporting accurate. I don't care for 90, 105 or 110A myself, because u can not run any SPS with that current anyways, except you use LN2 to cool the phases. So to calculate 90x16 is stupid as well. The peak of such an SPS should be around 30A and 30x16 is plenty for any CPU.
Snagged a refurbished model that works perfect for $120 along with a 12600KF for $140 US. Added a 7800XT, makes for some reasonably priced 1440p builds (finally!)
Unfortunately nobody did what you are proposing. The mobos with pcie-5 m2 have x8 pcie-5 for the graphic card (which would also limit current cards to run at 8x pcie4).
Hi Guido :) thanks for your comments :)
You'll find that x670 powered motherboard does exactly that.
Pcie 4 on the gpu slot and m.2 ssds are the only components supporting pcie 5.0
On this motherboard, the gpu slot enjoy 16 lanes.
I hope this helps
I snagged this board for $229 before Tax at microcenter I am exited
I snag this for $209 Amazon I am excited
It's ridiculous how expensive motherboards are these days. Only 2.5 years ago this board would be 160euro...
we dont even need 5.0 lol, we still are far away from utitilizing the full potential of 4.0. Ive been looking over z790 motherboards around this price point and this is the best. (ddr5)
So agree !!!!!!
I'm (also) looking at the Z690. No real improvement this generation. Just more $$$ (to hide overpricing on B650??). Thanks for the review.
better ddr5 controller, and that's it.
More pcie lanes
Can u review msi z790 mpg carbon please
on the way
Yes! 7 SATA PORTS! i'm buying this! You will hate it :D.
Hi Laurent!
Hey Lemon :) good to see you here !
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I simply love your reviews mate, especially the small dick jokes crack me up every time.
Could you review B650 TUF and/or B650-E Strix? I'm itching to upgrade my good old 8700k which i feel is bottlenecking my 6900XT in some games.
Thanks for the kind words . I am starting the B650 series in a week or so