hey my brother really appreciate the love for the interview, and ur being honest when u say I ramble at times😂, but I like ur interpretation of the interview and like I tell many who watch you guys be the judge, I know what I got out of the interview.
i'm glad you brought this up. every time i see Nerdygirl on whatnot, i see lions in the chat bidding with no common sense. i would never buy from her but there's always those guys that hold such a high value of fomo. i've stopped buying from whatnot by a tremendous amount. it's all about money, man. they're all flippers lol. no such thing as "retailer" in this category. her platform is what pays her bills so i wont judge her for doing what she does. people are still gonna buy. a reality check for all of us.
The "protection" for the big sellers is their "Community" that joins their live streams. The Protection helps hype the books and talk up how awesome the seller is in the chat. It would not surprise me to find out that The Protection also bids on the seller's books. I know, I know... it's just for the social, community, and friendship and how much they love the seller. It's all honest and upfront. I get it. I understand.
If you post a book for auction and it doesn't go for what you were hoping, that's not on the buyer. If you find a gem in a dollar bin at a convention/LCS, do you tell the store his dollar bin book is worth $15 or do you add it to your pile? That's no more stealing than getting a book for an amazing price on whatnot. If you have to have a minimum on a book, then it's on you to either build the audience you need or start the price where you need it to be. There's a Buy It Now option even. I've gotten AMAZING deals, and I've paid top dollar both on Whatnot and at the convention/LCS. That's this, and any other, hobby. Don't hate on buyers because you didn't price your books according to your needs or expectations. After all, they bought it at the price you allowed. Just my thoughts.
You 💯 saw through NerdyGirls BS & definitely the interview was awesome but she (NerdyGirl) is on her "Pity Party, I'm not so bad guys but keep buying my books" press tour. It is 💯 her distinguish nature & manipulation on full display
@@jacobbornowsky4013 💯 Henry Cavill back as Superman & James Gunn taking over the wheel for the DCMU, thing are definitely looking up for the movies. In the comics space DC actually seeing & admitting that maybe a "woke" DC comics agenda was a bad idea on focusing everything on that, so now they are actually going to go back to basics which will hopefully improve all DC series all around also a good look💯. Thing are looking brighter everyday in the DC camp👍
As someone who ran quite a few Whatnot streams, you’re definitely right about the smaller streams being the sacrificial lambs. Luckily, I didn’t need the money from my books, I just wanted to clear out the PC and put it towards getting bigger books. Another issue I’ve seen is the price expectation Whatnot gives to newer buyers. They see these $100 books on eBay selling for $40 on Whatnot, and think eBay is ‘overpriced’ even if the book has consistently been selling for $100. Which I see the appeal as a collector, heck I got Hulk 340 in 9.6 signed By Todd for $250 when it was going for around $900. I’ve also paid FMV for a book that looked good one stream and was ‘near mint’ and when I got it, it had multiple defects. I like Whatnot as a concept, but i has its flaws, and I feel like it’s impact has been mostly negative for multiple reasons. Great content bud.
After the fiasco with the acetate book, Gem Mint, ComicTom (was my main man). I let WhatNot go. Plus, I won a book from Skeff and he sent a heavily damaged copy and never owned it. The box it shipped was on point. That’s how I know he shipped me a damaged book. Anyhow, WhatNot is designed to part you from your hard earned dollars. That’s fine if you got it like that. But what I know is that exclusives are valuable at that moment. You are better off with cover A’s and the occasional 1:25, 50, and 100. PS: Not hating on anyone making money. Just that all money isn’t good money. WhatNot is good for the flipper, influencer or whatever letter in the alphabet you want to call it. Plus, as mentioned…good for cleaning up your PC. Just not good for me. In the end. WhatNot leaves a bad taste in my mouth for the future of the hobby.
Number one rule as a Whatnot seller: Never start a book for less than what you are willing to take for it. And she is not sorry....she is just sorry she got caught.
Another great and informative video. Personally, I loathe Nerdy Girl and her ilk. Its all about the "side hustle" to them. It does not benefit the hobby one iota. Its about them and making the fast buck. Its not about the joy of reading and collecting funny books. I am here for the comics not this side hustle that has been a part of this hobby for years and they are the architects. The influencer needs to disappear. Take their over hyped and over blown comics with them. She and her cronies are influencers plain and simple. Sadly and unfortunately people listen to them and follow them. Again, thanks for a great video. Take care and stay well. Best\Steve
She hasn't been "in the game" for twenty years. She has been a re-seller for twenty years, but she has only been selling comics for a relatively short time. She has dabbled in shoes, cards, VHS, video games, etc. Basically, whatever is "Hot" in the moment. And she doesn't own those books in the background. They belong to her millionaire boyfriend/husband, by her own admission. And finally, just to be transparent, I have no negative opinions on her. She had to put in a lot of work to get to where she is, and I respect that. Just to clear the waters. Lol End you just gained a new subscriber. Great video!!
I've seen Whatnot streams where there are only a handful of people, and the person chooses to wait for more folks or just stop the sale. Definitely liked hearing this. I do listen to Keep it THORO.
Someone on a Facebook comic group wrote that her older husband bought many of the key comics from library collections many years ago. They said those key books are his, she never collected them and he does not want to be on camera showing them off so she is in the limelight.
This isn't a comic book community. This is a speculation community. Not one mention of any of the stories in the books. Why? Because they don't care about anything but $$.
Not taking sides in the drama, which I've followed since the C2E2 acetate, but I watched most of the discussion live and think you're misrepresenting some of what was discussed during the stream. First, Nerdy Girl didn't claim she kept a significant portion of 75 UF4 she bought. She said she kept 15 for herself and the rest were for others who weren't attending and who had asked her to buy a copy for them. After a Thoro follow up, NG admitted it was wrong for her to buy copies for people not attending and she said that she isn't doing that anymore. Regarding the back and forth about new sellers on Whatnot and being sacrificial lambs, I'm strictly a buyer/collector and I have bought on Whatnot before, and it's common sense to me that most new sellers more than likely will struggle with lower sales because they will lack the following/customer base. I thought about unloading my raw collection on WN, but I knew the lack of following and social media presence would result in my stuff going for pennies. How new sellers aren't aware that it will take time to build up an audience confounds me. And it's not on the established WN sellers to properly inform and prepare new sellers, it's on WN and on the new sellers to do their due diligence when deciding to use that platform. NG didn't deflect questions on the workings of WN, she was quite clear that WN is just a vessel for her to sell, like eBay or any other platform, and she's not involved or in the know about what goes on with WN internally. She didn't want to talk about Gem Mint and Comic Tom, and rightfully so, because that discussion wasn't about them, it was about her. Dragging them into it and speaking for them would've been wrong to do. And as was mentioned during the stream, they're free to "sit down" with Thoro like NG did and talk about these issues. As for her tone, to me, NG came across as open, pleasant, and thoughtful. I thought she and Thoro had a good discussion. And she wasn't constantly cutting off Thoro. There were times when she did, which is normal particularly in a virtual discussion, but some of the times he was rambling and, unintentionally, not giving her an opportunity to respond, which is the type of thing that results in cutting someone off.
Great video! I was watching the live stream as well. TBH I had heard of her before but never watched her but after a few minutes of watching her I was getting red flags . Each to their own but she’s not the type of person I would want to do business with
How is she SOO successful some ask ? How? The major books she 'has' in the background are printed on a high res color printer and a 3d printer, prints out the CGC cases.... Gives others the impression she is crazy successful... Chinese 50 cent Bots 'bid' and 'chat' to expand those impressions. Just a thought :) 2:16 ....no,NOT TIRED OF THIS ! Keep it coming brother,great content. I am convinced some of her background books are high res prints not OG books,they are there to make you think she has more $$$ and success then in reaility,its easy to fake such things. He didn't ask her all the Qs I wish he had of her,and to me she is a marketing machine for whatnot,which is small not near as big as they say like Netflix and Disney+ refuse to publish real numbers on viewers. whatnot is a faker to a large degree ,says my gut.
People use Right? at the end of a statement when they're trying to convince someone (usually themselves) of what the truth of the matter is. The truth doesn't need convincing. She might deny being an "influencer" but she doesn't get to decide how she is viewed by others. My opinion is, she not only understands this, but uses it to the best of her abilities. She hypes up WhatNot exclusives then sells these overpriced and overhyped books to her fans, while getting them for free for being a part of the WhatNot team. Bueller let that fact slip on his channel.
I used to do what not to support my comic cumminity friends but there losses bothered me a lot same as what happened to you. Whatnot is stealing from true collectors. High shipping cost to us over priced fees to sellers. I had forgotten Whatnot app was on my phone until today now it is officially deleted. Good talk Daniel enjoyed your thoughts
I watched this last night and all I can say is Thoro asked her pretty much all the questions that needed to be asked and she answered them whether all the answers sat right with us or not. If something still seems fishy after that interview, like Thoro said we all have a choice to not associate with her or Whatnot. To me people that buy and sell on there (or anywhere for that matter) should know the risks and sometimes the lesson is learned by taking an L. I sure have taken a number of them it happens. But at the end of the day if you are easily parted with your $ by some sweet talking hype on a streaming app. Better delete that app. Same way I dont buy shoes just because the sales person tells me they look good on me is the same way Im not gonna buy a book solely based on someone telling me its the shiznit.
I didn’t watch the show. I just saw a few minutes of it. My follow up questions would be…how many of those copies did you get stuck with. 20 years she would have been 19 or 20. I personally like Danielle and Thoro and your channel. I don’t really like the drama content, but I have been enjoying everything you’ve been putting up. For sure.
Whatnot serves a purpose and sadly part of its purpose is cheap deals imo. I was approved to sell and simply will not after seeing how beat up the little guy gets by selling there. If eBay allows everyone to go live when they roll their version out, the hobby is in trouble and eBay will take a hit too.
In my opinion there's 2 types of dealers those who act like collectors because they own a big boy book like af 15 and are only holding to sell in the future and will treat new books like gospel and oversell them then there's the good dealers REAL collectors who have used there knowledge to buy and sell comics while maintaining their own collection and those are the dealers I absolutely respect and will spend all of my money on even if a crappy dealer has the same book for cheaper I'll support the REAL collector/dealer instead
I was anticipating that session of Thoro and Nerdy when she offered to join him when he was on TheComicMenu channel. Im a BIG FAN of KeepItTHOROs channel. Hes personable. Throws out a lot of "unknowns" going on in the Comic book culture or society. And I love hearing opinions from all sides of any topic. His NewYorker talk is entertaining to me also. In a good way. Im sure Id sound waaay Wisconsin to him. But to answer the question, YES the whatnot and influencer dynamic is becoming more and more interesting and potentially important to keep at the forefront of discussion. THOROs good people! And you too man! Digging StickyGoose! 👍👍
Not sure if he is “good people”. For me, the jury is out. I did not like the way he interacted with Chris Jerno. Any chance Thoro had of getting me as a subscriber or even a regular viewer flew out the window after that.
It sounds like your a bit disgruntled for the difficulty of selling comics. On Whatnot you don't only have to have good comics but be entertaining as well. I only done a couple of shows myself and had to learn quick on how to keep the room engaged. I'm as small as they get but still found a niche and I think the best thing that would work for you is to find your niche. The community has the right to go to her or anyone else's channel the same way they have the right to come to us. It's up to us to offer a better experience and pull attention from her and other bigger sellers.
Fair point, if you’re entertaining on Whatnot you’ll definitely find a crowd. I used to have around 20-25 people consistently and about half would be the same people just hanging out. Let’s be realistic though, acting like small streamers can pull people away from the massive streamers/RUclipsrs is like saying the local grocery store can compete with Walmart, it’s just not feasible. I don’t think he’s being negative, I think he’s just pointing out the flaw in Whatnot, and their act of pushing those bigger streamers instead of being an unbiased entity. ✌🏼
@@DocLowe I have to disagree, I think the message is coming off as negative. I look at it from this perspective, of someone spent years building a brand on social media then why is it wrong for that person to attract the same following on Whatnot? The same applies on Ebay, if you're a nobody on Ebay you are going to have to take the time to build a reputation and get people comfortable buying.
I don’t think anyone is disparaging them for having a big following they worked to build up. It’s more that Whatnot promotes them over others. They’re going to have plenty of people in their streams bc of that large following, there’s no need for Whatnot to push them over all the other streams. It doesn’t really apply to eBay. You can have people follow you after they have a good interaction with you, sure, which is how it should be. eBay doesn’t outright promote certain sellers though. You can pay to have your things promoted on eBay, but that’s not the same as eBay saying, ‘hey, here’s this person, go check them out!’
I am not into the whole drama side of this hobby but I will say that when it comes to this whole influencer/Whatnot reseller deal I am not understanding all the hate directed towards certain individuals. The last time I checked I was not aware of anyone having a gun to their head to purchase any book so there is a level of personal responsibility that comes with this. It also seems asinine that people are piling on a group of Whatnot resellers for peddling certain exclusive books while missing the most obvious thing. They aren't the only ones making money off them and they weren't the ones that created them. Why isn't everyone complaining about the retailers or the con's that are originating these exclusives or to the publishers themselves who originate some of them and authorize the rest. I think everyone just needs to calm down with all the whining and start accepting some personal responsibility for your own actions. If I had been at that convention I definitely would never have purchased that acetate variant as I think it looked like garbage, but I would never begrudge anyone else from doing it if they feel the price and waiting in line was worth it to them.
Resellers like Nerdygirl and Gemmint, fools who artificially inflate valueless books for their own profit, are leading the industry towards the same crash that happened in the 1990s- unsustainable prices propped up by gimmick art and covers. Then for the app itself to be promoting those types of sellers, it’s bad news for the hobby as a whole. You are correct though that the publishers and Conventions need to be taken to task over their practices in the marketplace…. And for someone who does not like the “drama side” I think you sent in the longest comment yet. Lol.
@@gutcassidyandthesundancech5925 I have to disagree with you on one point you made. Those Whatnot resellers can set any price they want but its the people that are paying them that money for whatever book they are selling that are inflating the price of the books. If no one is buying the book the price will drop like a box of rocks. Its those same individuals that would stand in line for that book that caused the price to go up. This is not exclusive to comic books but for anything in a free market economy. Whenever the demand exceeds the supply the price goes up.
this is a really bad take, its like saying that you can expect to be a big ebay account with no sales. you need to start small and work your way up to bigger stuff if you want to use whatnot.
Has anybody actually hung out and talked with NerdyGirl? I have. She's not an influencer. And how does starting something at $1 and it going to obscene amounts her fault? DO NOT start books at $1 unless you're willing to give them away for $0.50. If you aren't running key books or hot exclusives, just don't do it. Also, nobody mentions the comics that these big sellers sell that go for 50% under FMV (or less!!) y'all just focus on the few comics that go high. At the end of the day, you need inventory, and a lot of it, to be successful on whatnot. (She's not a whatnot employee, there is not protection for bigger sellers.)
I don't feel sorry for any seller brave enough to hold an auction and start bids at a net profit loss. That's the risk you take with auctions, you could be forced to sell a book for what you start the bids at. You sound like a very experienced seller in your other content, and I'm kind of surprised to hear you feeling duped and taken advantage of.
Hey Sticky. I get your frustration of being scammed to be a sacrificial lamb at whatnot, but it didn't really cost you that much to learn that lesson, right? ;) Anyhow, I am willing to bet that every single book you have was purchased from some retailer so ease up a bit maybe. At the core, a seller and a buyer have an adversarial relationship regarding value and it won't change so try to have some fun with it anyway. You come across as a very earnest and honest person and I profoundly respect that. All the best.
Easy having a Batman or Superman first appearance if your constantly taking advantage of the comic community lol doesn’t mean she’s a collector. She clearly says they are all investments if you read more into her. Lol at whatnot not doing it’s homework on you before inviting you to that scheme team. Proof no one cares long as they can profit off you
Yeah I don’t see her run big books at 1 start much and even if they are 80 dollar books as soon as people are getting to good of deals she cuts that off this is honesty how I would do it. The thing is these people are the scalpers of the comic world they are in it for your money nothing else easy pay days. I will say I bought a couple books from her and aside from getting her to pay attention to messages so waiting on a response one of those books I sent back because the seal bag Inside of the slab was broken she did refund me the money for it as well as the shipping so I payed one way shipping and she did as well I’m not going to lie it was a headache of a time but she did do the right thing so I can’t slam her for it.
I watched thoro interview with nerdy girl. You can tell she answered some questions but really didn't feel shame full for her actions. Like she said she a retailer so she still going to the same thing but behind closed doors. Getting the books and making her money. Bottom line I don't trust her or what not. That's my opinion. If it looks shady it probably is.
I disagree there's no difference when people sell on youtube/facebook/whatnot/ebay all these outlets have a following .This market can be manipulated. It's up to the individual to do their homework and educate themselves about comic books. I have no sympathy if someone overpaid for a book. It's pure stupidity on your behalf if you allow someone to influence you to buy something "no gun was placed on their head" do your "homework".
Love your Channel. I think some of the things she said were very suspect. I'll cut and paste what i commented on Thoros comments that REALLY stuck out to me that touches on what you mentioned. 14:40 "Something is worth what someone will pay for it". Under normal market conditions, yes, but she does not sale under normal market conditions. She should have ended it with "...what someone will pay for it FROM ME" Put me, with 450 WN followers and Nerdy Girl with 9.5k followers at the same con, selling the same book, at the same time, at the same starting price and tell me if that same thought process works. 41:26 NG starts to trash eBay, then abruptly stops and defends WN. Then trashes eBay again. eBay is the Godfather selling platform who has (somewhat) mastered the business. From someone who has zero contracts with WN and has zero comps from WN, NG has said ZERO negative things about WN. Very very sketchy in not wanting to bite the hand that feeds you.
She can't control the fact that some people get "star studded" by people just because they are in front of a camera on an app or on social media. If someone is willing to pay more for a book JUST to get it from her, then that is on THEM. PERIOD. She has no control over that.
@@tonyheart9306 Oh I totally agree with this and her dent heads carry a lot of blame, but her concept of a simple market quote is way off. She may as well say the FMV of this book is X, but if you buying it from me your going to add 50% to the price. She cant just ignore this fact and lead on that she's an average seller with no cult following. She an influencer whether she likes that word or not.
@@randomposter5665 Yeah, no. She has a "cult following" because she brings heat. Just like Chuck from Mile High. If you guys don't like people making their own choices to over bid from Whatnot sellers, why not attack a guy that literally TRIPLES his books in price as an asking price and demands people to pay WAY above FMV.... Again, she can't control that western society has a sit way of wanting to feel validated. They think buying something from someone that sits in front of a screen makes them special. That's on THEM, not the seller.
@@tonyheart9306 WE don't like paying 3x the book price or 75% over FMV, so that's why I for one have never bought from Chuck, nor NG. Your definition of "heat" and mine I'm sure are two totally different things.... Acetate facsimiles are not heat. People sit and buy from her due to the idol complex. To receive something from their demigod while she rides the worshiping all the way to the bank. These people ARE dent heads and they can get every book NG offers from someone else a lot cheaper, but they choose not to because once they get that book in the mail, these idiots will never throw away the Gemini with her return address/name on it, they will sit and stare at it, probably even smell it. Everyone knows she uses this to profit max gains on her books and that's acceptable: SHE JUST NEED TO BE HONEST AND ADMIT IT. As well as her fan boys.
@@randomposter5665 lol. You're so holier than thou, aren't you? If people see her as some kind of idol, again, how is she in control of that? She starts her auctions at $1.... You think she sits in her live stream saying, "big this up and spend money on your idol!!!" And if you can get books for a third of the cost elsewhere, then how is she ruining comics for you or any other "true collector?" Because she's not. You are just attracted to the sensationalism and the drama because it validates you, for some odd reason.. Usually because there is something else going on in your personal life...
She probably signed an NDA, she said exactly what the community wanted to hear, she seems very manipulative. If it were the other way around I bet you a ASM 1 that she would be the first one to complain
Good content bro I totally agree. but I fear your gonna burn out trying to understand and fight against the “reseller” sect of the comic book world. Yes they are a detracting obnoxious segment of the hobby, but, as long as the industry keeps rewarding fools like Comictom or the reprehensible Gemmint, it’s up to good creators like you to keep us entertained on the good segments of the hobby and let those fools have their corner of filth.
Gemmint is not a comic lover,just a opportunist,just the way he talks about books,and when he sold ALL his 49 Absolutes,to go down in quality, to books drowning in gutter loss..... wtaf ?! Then buys a huge house in Texas,a 2nd home on top of that,after all his Comictom101 videos. And hinting at the $$$ he made on speculation on comics.
She’s a scammer. Stole money from me and didn’t deliver . She lives in a small Florida shack with million dollar books behind her . Common. Not suspicious? lol but ya I don’t have to tell ya this .
Calling it a STEAL instead of a DEAL feels icky. Your buyers aren't thieves because you set the starting bid with 20 viewers like you're starting with 100. That's totally on you as a seller, start your bids appropriately.
If she has been in the game for 20+ years, she KNOWS that many of the books she is peddling will not hold their value. She also knows that she has influence and is part of the system that is creating artificial demand and hype for these books. It's undeniable. At the same time Whatnot is set up in such a way that it allows or even creates these problems. People like Nerdy Girl are just taking advantage of this exploitative system and thereby, taking advantage of buyers. I understand that it would be harmful to her career to come on and admit to all of that. But then just don't say anything at all. Don't pretend that you're just some small time seller and all of these things are happening around and to you, but you have no role in it. Don't mistake us for fools. I will say though she does essentially say it's on the buyer and things only sell for what people will pay for it. I appreciate that, because it's true. Influencers have responsibility for sure, but buyers must also become savy.
It was your FIRST sale, why did you expect to sell like someone with a TON of experience and sales? That’s pretty silly. Would you expect to be a race car driver if you showed up to a F1 competition? Would you expect to be able to play baseball professionally after watching a game on TV?
What not platform is un-useable. It's awful. And I mean bad at a level where I can't see how anybody is using it. Interface is trash.. layout is a mess.
So many things to say about this video. Why would you start an ASM 316 for $1 on your first stream? If you knew it was worth more than $48 then set your starting bit higher than $48. You losing money is nobody's fault but your own. Come on man. I've seen people that have no social media following, no youtube channels, get over 100 people in their whatnot streams because they bring top dollar key comics every sale. And yes, it takes more than just one sale to build a following.... Maybe you should have actually done a dollar start sale with.... dollar bin books. If someone is paying major money for a garbage book, that's on them. Are you buying them? No? Then move on and buy what you like to buy. You're an influencer because you influenced over 1,100 people that watched this video. You seem like a decent guy that is being influenced by the drama. Don't fall into the trap. But I see you're already learning that piggy backing this drama gets you more views. It's also funny that Thoro trash talked her for days and then decided to bring her on the show and take a different tone. Maybe he likes the more views too. And you end calling Whatnot a bully because you are mad because you set key books at a dollar on your first show and lost money...
@@cardsandcomics lol Okay buddy. The guy making this video is the one sounding angry. Crying because he started keys at a dollar on his first ever live sale. What do I have to be angry about? I find it a bit amusing though, that people so easily blame others for their ignorance.
hey my brother really appreciate the love for the interview, and ur being honest when u say I ramble at times😂, but I like ur interpretation of the interview and like I tell many who watch you guys be the judge, I know what I got out of the interview.
Dude you even sound cool in a written comment… I don’t even know how that’s possible. Thanks for watching and the interview was great.
Interview was a good watch reinforced my opinion with the difference between a real collector/dealer and one in it for the money strictly
Never been on whatnot and will never go on it.
After acetate-gate I never looked at Nerdy Girl the same again.
She's very narcissistic
i'm glad you brought this up. every time i see Nerdygirl on whatnot, i see lions in the chat bidding with no common sense. i would never buy from her but there's always those guys that hold such a high value of fomo. i've stopped buying from whatnot by a tremendous amount. it's all about money, man. they're all flippers lol. no such thing as "retailer" in this category. her platform is what pays her bills so i wont judge her for doing what she does. people are still gonna buy. a reality check for all of us.
The "protection" for the big sellers is their "Community" that joins their live streams. The Protection helps hype the books and talk up how awesome the seller is in the chat. It would not surprise me to find out that The Protection also bids on the seller's books. I know, I know... it's just for the social, community, and friendship and how much they love the seller. It's all honest and upfront. I get it. I understand.
It might be enough if whatnot required proof of shipping to make friendly bidding less of a thing.
We all know her husband is the real collector in that marriage.
If you post a book for auction and it doesn't go for what you were hoping, that's not on the buyer. If you find a gem in a dollar bin at a convention/LCS, do you tell the store his dollar bin book is worth $15 or do you add it to your pile? That's no more stealing than getting a book for an amazing price on whatnot. If you have to have a minimum on a book, then it's on you to either build the audience you need or start the price where you need it to be. There's a Buy It Now option even. I've gotten AMAZING deals, and I've paid top dollar both on Whatnot and at the convention/LCS. That's this, and any other, hobby. Don't hate on buyers because you didn't price your books according to your needs or expectations. After all, they bought it at the price you allowed. Just my thoughts.
You 💯 saw through NerdyGirls BS & definitely the interview was awesome but she (NerdyGirl) is on her "Pity Party, I'm not so bad guys but keep buying my books" press tour. It is 💯 her distinguish nature & manipulation on full display
Was up D_Core 🤙🏽
@@jacobbornowsky4013 👋👋🤙🤙 What's good Jacob
@@dcorzo1981 chillin good day to be DC fan.. some hope maybe?….?
@@jacobbornowsky4013 💯 Henry Cavill back as Superman & James Gunn taking over the wheel for the DCMU, thing are definitely looking up for the movies. In the comics space DC actually seeing & admitting that maybe a "woke" DC comics agenda was a bad idea on focusing everything on that, so now they are actually going to go back to basics which will hopefully improve all DC series all around also a good look💯. Thing are looking brighter everyday in the DC camp👍
@@dcorzo1981 all of what you said plus I’m a huge Constantine fan so yea things are looking hopeful 🤘🏽
As someone who ran quite a few Whatnot streams, you’re definitely right about the smaller streams being the sacrificial lambs. Luckily, I didn’t need the money from my books, I just wanted to clear out the PC and put it towards getting bigger books. Another issue I’ve seen is the price expectation Whatnot gives to newer buyers. They see these $100 books on eBay selling for $40 on Whatnot, and think eBay is ‘overpriced’ even if the book has consistently been selling for $100. Which I see the appeal as a collector, heck I got Hulk 340 in 9.6 signed By Todd for $250 when it was going for around $900. I’ve also paid FMV for a book that looked good one stream and was ‘near mint’ and when I got it, it had multiple defects.
I like Whatnot as a concept, but i has its flaws, and I feel like it’s impact has been mostly negative for multiple reasons.
Great content bud.
After the fiasco with the acetate book, Gem Mint, ComicTom (was my main man). I let WhatNot go. Plus, I won a book from Skeff and he sent a heavily damaged copy and never owned it. The box it shipped was on point. That’s how I know he shipped me a damaged book. Anyhow, WhatNot is designed to part you from your hard earned dollars. That’s fine if you got it like that. But what I know is that exclusives are valuable at that moment. You are better off with cover A’s and the occasional 1:25, 50, and 100. PS: Not hating on anyone making money. Just that all money isn’t good money.
WhatNot is good for the flipper, influencer or whatever letter in the alphabet you want to call it. Plus, as mentioned…good for cleaning up your PC. Just not good for me.
In the end. WhatNot leaves a bad taste in my mouth for the future of the hobby.
StickyGoose…love your unbiased content! I’m steady tuning in!
Number one rule as a Whatnot seller: Never start a book for less than what you are willing to take for it. And she is not sorry....she is just sorry she got caught.
Got caught doing what?
Another great and informative video. Personally, I loathe Nerdy Girl and her ilk. Its all about the "side hustle" to them. It does not benefit the hobby one iota. Its about them and making the fast buck. Its not about the joy of reading and collecting funny books. I am here for the comics not this side hustle that has been a part of this hobby for years and they are the architects. The influencer needs to disappear. Take their over hyped and over blown comics with them. She and her cronies are influencers plain and simple. Sadly and unfortunately people listen to them and follow them. Again, thanks for a great video. Take care and stay well. Best\Steve
Yeah she trash.
She hasn't been "in the game" for twenty years. She has been a re-seller for twenty years, but she has only been selling comics for a relatively short time. She has dabbled in shoes, cards, VHS, video games, etc. Basically, whatever is "Hot" in the moment. And she doesn't own those books in the background. They belong to her millionaire boyfriend/husband, by her own admission. And finally, just to be transparent, I have no negative opinions on her. She had to put in a lot of work to get to where she is, and I respect that. Just to clear the waters. Lol
End you just gained a new subscriber. Great video!!
She's a phony. Just another FOMO influencer
Great stuff here sticky goose 🤘🏽 keep up the great content
Appreciate it
I've seen Whatnot streams where there are only a handful of people, and the person chooses to wait for more folks or just stop the sale. Definitely liked hearing this. I do listen to Keep it THORO.
Good for you . Stick to your guns with Whatnot
Great show again brother.
Someone on a Facebook comic group wrote that her older husband bought many of the key comics from library collections many years ago. They said those key books are his, she never collected them and he does not want to be on camera showing them off so she is in the limelight.
Her whole collection is her husband's. She's probably never read a comic in her life. She all of a sudden came around in 2018-19.
She is a phony.
This isn't a comic book community. This is a speculation community. Not one mention of any of the stories in the books. Why? Because they don't care about anything but $$.
I love that you keep it real. Love your channel and keep it up.
I appreciate that!
Not taking sides in the drama, which I've followed since the C2E2 acetate, but I watched most of the discussion live and think you're misrepresenting some of what was discussed during the stream. First, Nerdy Girl didn't claim she kept a significant portion of 75 UF4 she bought. She said she kept 15 for herself and the rest were for others who weren't attending and who had asked her to buy a copy for them. After a Thoro follow up, NG admitted it was wrong for her to buy copies for people not attending and she said that she isn't doing that anymore. Regarding the back and forth about new sellers on Whatnot and being sacrificial lambs, I'm strictly a buyer/collector and I have bought on Whatnot before, and it's common sense to me that most new sellers more than likely will struggle with lower sales because they will lack the following/customer base. I thought about unloading my raw collection on WN, but I knew the lack of following and social media presence would result in my stuff going for pennies. How new sellers aren't aware that it will take time to build up an audience confounds me. And it's not on the established WN sellers to properly inform and prepare new sellers, it's on WN and on the new sellers to do their due diligence when deciding to use that platform. NG didn't deflect questions on the workings of WN, she was quite clear that WN is just a vessel for her to sell, like eBay or any other platform, and she's not involved or in the know about what goes on with WN internally. She didn't want to talk about Gem Mint and Comic Tom, and rightfully so, because that discussion wasn't about them, it was about her. Dragging them into it and speaking for them would've been wrong to do. And as was mentioned during the stream, they're free to "sit down" with Thoro like NG did and talk about these issues. As for her tone, to me, NG came across as open, pleasant, and thoughtful. I thought she and Thoro had a good discussion. And she wasn't constantly cutting off Thoro. There were times when she did, which is normal particularly in a virtual discussion, but some of the times he was rambling and, unintentionally, not giving her an opportunity to respond, which is the type of thing that results in cutting someone off.
Smooth brain logic. No one is stealing from you. If you need a certain price for a book then start at the price you need.
“Smooth brain logic” I like that!
Great video! I was watching the live stream as well. TBH I had heard of her before but never watched her but after a few minutes of watching her I was getting red flags . Each to their own but she’s not the type of person I would want to do business with
How is she SOO successful some ask ? How? The major books she 'has' in the background are printed on a high res color printer and a 3d printer, prints out the CGC cases.... Gives others the impression she is crazy successful... Chinese 50 cent Bots 'bid' and 'chat' to expand those impressions. Just a thought :)
2:16 ....no,NOT TIRED OF THIS ! Keep it coming brother,great content. I am convinced some of her background books are high res prints not OG books,they are there to make you think she has more $$$ and success then in reaility,its easy to fake such things. He didn't ask her all the Qs I wish he had of her,and to me she is a marketing machine for whatnot,which is small not near as big as they say like Netflix and Disney+ refuse to publish real numbers on viewers. whatnot is a faker to a large degree ,says my gut.
People use Right? at the end of a statement when they're trying to convince someone (usually themselves) of what the truth of the matter is. The truth doesn't need convincing. She might deny being an "influencer" but she doesn't get to decide how she is viewed by others. My opinion is, she not only understands this, but uses it to the best of her abilities. She hypes up WhatNot exclusives then sells these overpriced and overhyped books to her fans, while getting them for free for being a part of the WhatNot team. Bueller let that fact slip on his channel.
he and I had some words on one of my videos
Facts. That's all I can say. You're spitting pure facts. Say it louder so the people in the back an hear you!!
I used to do what not to support my comic cumminity friends but there losses bothered me a lot same as what happened to you. Whatnot is stealing from true collectors. High shipping cost to us over priced fees to sellers. I had forgotten Whatnot app was on my phone until today now it is officially deleted. Good talk Daniel enjoyed your thoughts
I've definitely shopped on whatnot But I always try to support the little shops on there
I watched this last night and all I can say is Thoro asked her pretty much all the questions that needed to be asked and she answered them whether all the answers sat right with us or not. If something still seems fishy after that interview, like Thoro said we all have a choice to not associate with her or Whatnot. To me people that buy and sell on there (or anywhere for that matter) should know the risks and sometimes the lesson is learned by taking an L.
I sure have taken a number of them it happens. But at the end of the day if you are easily parted with your $ by some sweet talking hype on a streaming app. Better delete that app. Same way I dont buy shoes just because the sales person tells me they look good on me is the same way Im not gonna buy a book solely based on someone telling me its the shiznit.
Mostly everyone gets beat on whatnot. If you want killer traffic mostly likely you're going to have to do killer givys.
great review
I didn’t watch the show. I just saw a few minutes of it. My follow up questions would be…how many of those copies did you get stuck with.
20 years she would have been 19 or 20. I personally like Danielle and Thoro and your channel. I don’t really like the drama content, but I have been enjoying everything you’ve been putting up. For sure.
I didnt want to guess her age...
@@Stickygoose she was born in 82 like me.
ComicTom said they do have protection.
You can see alot of buyers have names of comic book stores that are getting these steals
Whatnot serves a purpose and sadly part of its purpose is cheap deals imo. I was approved to sell and simply will not after seeing how beat up the little guy gets by selling there. If eBay allows everyone to go live when they roll their version out, the hobby is in trouble and eBay will take a hit too.
In my opinion there's 2 types of dealers those who act like collectors because they own a big boy book like af 15 and are only holding to sell in the future and will treat new books like gospel and oversell them then there's the good dealers REAL collectors who have used there knowledge to buy and sell comics while maintaining their own collection and those are the dealers I absolutely respect and will spend all of my money on even if a crappy dealer has the same book for cheaper I'll support the REAL collector/dealer instead
I was anticipating that session of Thoro and Nerdy when she offered to join him when he was on TheComicMenu channel. Im a BIG FAN of KeepItTHOROs channel. Hes personable. Throws out a lot of "unknowns" going on in the Comic book culture or society. And I love hearing opinions from all sides of any topic. His NewYorker talk is entertaining to me also. In a good way. Im sure Id sound waaay Wisconsin to him. But to answer the question, YES the whatnot and influencer dynamic is becoming more and more interesting and potentially important to keep at the forefront of discussion. THOROs good people! And you too man! Digging StickyGoose! 👍👍
Thank you for watching
Not sure if he is “good people”. For me, the jury is out. I did not like the way he interacted with Chris Jerno. Any chance Thoro had of getting me as a subscriber or even a regular viewer flew out the window after that.
It sounds like your a bit disgruntled for the difficulty of selling comics. On Whatnot you don't only have to have good comics but be entertaining as well. I only done a couple of shows myself and had to learn quick on how to keep the room engaged. I'm as small as they get but still found a niche and I think the best thing that would work for you is to find your niche. The community has the right to go to her or anyone else's channel the same way they have the right to come to us. It's up to us to offer a better experience and pull attention from her and other bigger sellers.
Fair point, if you’re entertaining on Whatnot you’ll definitely find a crowd. I used to have around 20-25 people consistently and about half would be the same people just hanging out. Let’s be realistic though, acting like small streamers can pull people away from the massive streamers/RUclipsrs is like saying the local grocery store can compete with Walmart, it’s just not feasible.
I don’t think he’s being negative, I think he’s just pointing out the flaw in Whatnot, and their act of pushing those bigger streamers instead of being an unbiased entity. ✌🏼
@@DocLowe I have to disagree, I think the message is coming off as negative. I look at it from this perspective, of someone spent years building a brand on social media then why is it wrong for that person to attract the same following on Whatnot? The same applies on Ebay, if you're a nobody on Ebay you are going to have to take the time to build a reputation and get people comfortable buying.
I don’t think anyone is disparaging them for having a big following they worked to build up. It’s more that Whatnot promotes them over others. They’re going to have plenty of people in their streams bc of that large following, there’s no need for Whatnot to push them over all the other streams.
It doesn’t really apply to eBay. You can have people follow you after they have a good interaction with you, sure, which is how it should be. eBay doesn’t outright promote certain sellers though. You can pay to have your things promoted on eBay, but that’s not the same as eBay saying, ‘hey, here’s this person, go check them out!’
@@comicjourney what’s your handle on WhatNot?
@@uglyewok6715 Its Comic_journey you can clearly see that I'm a small time whatnoter but I'm trying to be logical about everything
Yea I see $10 books going for $40-$50 on their streams meanwhile $50 books are going for $5-$10 for new or smaller followed guys.
bingo
Awesome video. Had a question what do you use as a microphone. Didn’t see one on screen
It’s a yeti black it’s just barely out of frame
This makes no sense. If your floor on a book is $100 and you run it for a $1 what do you thing is gonna happen.
I am not into the whole drama side of this hobby but I will say that when it comes to this whole influencer/Whatnot reseller deal I am not understanding all the hate directed towards certain individuals. The last time I checked I was not aware of anyone having a gun to their head to purchase any book so there is a level of personal responsibility that comes with this. It also seems asinine that people are piling on a group of Whatnot resellers for peddling certain exclusive books while missing the most obvious thing. They aren't the only ones making money off them and they weren't the ones that created them. Why isn't everyone complaining about the retailers or the con's that are originating these exclusives or to the publishers themselves who originate some of them and authorize the rest. I think everyone just needs to calm down with all the whining and start accepting some personal responsibility for your own actions. If I had been at that convention I definitely would never have purchased that acetate variant as I think it looked like garbage, but I would never begrudge anyone else from doing it if they feel the price and waiting in line was worth it to them.
This right here 👏
Resellers like Nerdygirl and Gemmint, fools who artificially inflate valueless books for their own profit, are leading the industry towards the same crash that happened in the 1990s- unsustainable prices propped up by gimmick art and covers. Then for the app itself to be promoting those types of sellers, it’s bad news for the hobby as a whole. You are correct though that the publishers and Conventions need to be taken to task over their practices in the marketplace…. And for someone who does not like the “drama side” I think you sent in the longest comment yet. Lol.
This. Saved me some typing. If you don't like the game then don't play.
@@gutcassidyandthesundancech5925 I have to disagree with you on one point you made. Those Whatnot resellers can set any price they want but its the people that are paying them that money for whatever book they are selling that are inflating the price of the books. If no one is buying the book the price will drop like a box of rocks. Its those same individuals that would stand in line for that book that caused the price to go up. This is not exclusive to comic books but for anything in a free market economy. Whenever the demand exceeds the supply the price goes up.
this is a really bad take, its like saying that you can expect to be a big ebay account with no sales. you need to start small and work your way up to bigger stuff if you want to use whatnot.
Has anybody actually hung out and talked with NerdyGirl? I have. She's not an influencer. And how does starting something at $1 and it going to obscene amounts her fault? DO NOT start books at $1 unless you're willing to give them away for $0.50. If you aren't running key books or hot exclusives, just don't do it. Also, nobody mentions the comics that these big sellers sell that go for 50% under FMV (or less!!) y'all just focus on the few comics that go high. At the end of the day, you need inventory, and a lot of it, to be successful on whatnot. (She's not a whatnot employee, there is not protection for bigger sellers.)
I think she’s married Jimmy
I don't feel sorry for any seller brave enough to hold an auction and start bids at a net profit loss. That's the risk you take with auctions, you could be forced to sell a book for what you start the bids at. You sound like a very experienced seller in your other content, and I'm kind of surprised to hear you feeling duped and taken advantage of.
Hey Sticky. I get your frustration of being scammed to be a sacrificial lamb at whatnot, but it didn't really cost you that much to learn that lesson, right? ;)
Anyhow, I am willing to bet that every single book you have was purchased from some retailer so ease up a bit maybe.
At the core, a seller and a buyer have an adversarial relationship regarding value and it won't change so try to have some fun with it anyway.
You come across as a very earnest and honest person and I profoundly respect that. All the best.
I may not agree with everything you say but I enjoy your content.
Thank you
Easy having a Batman or Superman first appearance if your constantly taking advantage of the comic community lol doesn’t mean she’s a collector. She clearly says they are all investments if you read more into her.
Lol at whatnot not doing it’s homework on you before inviting you to that scheme team. Proof no one cares long as they can profit off you
STICKY GOOSE STRONG
thats like a thing people would put on their facebook profile pictures
Yeah I don’t see her run big books at 1 start much and even if they are 80 dollar books as soon as people are getting to good of deals she cuts that off this is honesty how I would do it. The thing is these people are the scalpers of the comic world they are in it for your money nothing else easy pay days. I will say I bought a couple books from her and aside from getting her to pay attention to messages so waiting on a response one of those books I sent back because the seal bag Inside of the slab was broken she did refund me the money for it as well as the shipping so I payed one way shipping and she did as well I’m not going to lie it was a headache of a time but she did do the right thing so I can’t slam her for it.
I watched thoro interview with nerdy girl. You can tell she answered some questions but really didn't feel shame full for her actions. Like she said she a retailer so she still going to the same thing but behind closed doors. Getting the books and making her money. Bottom line I don't trust her or what not. That's my opinion. If it looks shady it probably is.
I got one of these emails too! 🎃
From Elisha as well?
@@Stickygoose Yep. She’s busy sending those emails. ;-)
I disagree there's no difference when people sell on youtube/facebook/whatnot/ebay all these outlets have a following .This market can be manipulated. It's up to the individual to do their homework and educate themselves about comic books. I have no sympathy if someone overpaid for a book. It's pure stupidity on your behalf if you allow someone to influence you to buy something "no gun was placed on their head" do your "homework".
Grant LaFontaine (founder of WhatNot) is making $$$
Love your Channel.
I think some of the things she said were very suspect. I'll cut and paste what i commented on Thoros comments that REALLY stuck out to me that touches on what you mentioned.
14:40 "Something is worth what someone will pay for it". Under normal market conditions, yes, but she does not sale under normal market conditions. She should have ended it with "...what someone will pay for it FROM ME" Put me, with 450 WN followers and Nerdy Girl with 9.5k followers at the same con, selling the same book, at the same time, at the same starting price and tell me if that same thought process works.
41:26 NG starts to trash eBay, then abruptly stops and defends WN. Then trashes eBay again. eBay is the Godfather selling platform who has (somewhat) mastered the business. From someone who has zero contracts with WN and has zero comps from WN, NG has said ZERO negative things about WN. Very very sketchy in not wanting to bite the hand that feeds you.
She can't control the fact that some people get "star studded" by people just because they are in front of a camera on an app or on social media. If someone is willing to pay more for a book JUST to get it from her, then that is on THEM. PERIOD. She has no control over that.
@@tonyheart9306 Oh I totally agree with this and her dent heads carry a lot of blame, but her concept of a simple market quote is way off. She may as well say the FMV of this book is X, but if you buying it from me your going to add 50% to the price. She cant just ignore this fact and lead on that she's an average seller with no cult following. She an influencer whether she likes that word or not.
@@randomposter5665 Yeah, no. She has a "cult following" because she brings heat. Just like Chuck from Mile High. If you guys don't like people making their own choices to over bid from Whatnot sellers, why not attack a guy that literally TRIPLES his books in price as an asking price and demands people to pay WAY above FMV.... Again, she can't control that western society has a sit way of wanting to feel validated. They think buying something from someone that sits in front of a screen makes them special. That's on THEM, not the seller.
@@tonyheart9306 WE don't like paying 3x the book price or 75% over FMV, so that's why I for one have never bought from Chuck, nor NG.
Your definition of "heat" and mine I'm sure are two totally different things.... Acetate facsimiles are not heat.
People sit and buy from her due to the idol complex. To receive something from their demigod while she rides the worshiping all the way to the bank. These people ARE dent heads and they can get every book NG offers from someone else a lot cheaper, but they choose not to because once they get that book in the mail, these idiots will never throw away the Gemini with her return address/name on it, they will sit and stare at it, probably even smell it.
Everyone knows she uses this to profit max gains on her books and that's acceptable: SHE JUST NEED TO BE HONEST AND ADMIT IT. As well as her fan boys.
@@randomposter5665 lol. You're so holier than thou, aren't you? If people see her as some kind of idol, again, how is she in control of that? She starts her auctions at $1.... You think she sits in her live stream saying, "big this up and spend money on your idol!!!" And if you can get books for a third of the cost elsewhere, then how is she ruining comics for you or any other "true collector?" Because she's not. You are just attracted to the sensationalism and the drama because it validates you, for some odd reason.. Usually because there is something else going on in your personal life...
Anyone that has more graded video games than ungraded video games, is not a gamer and it should never be assumed they are.
She probably signed an NDA, she said exactly what the community wanted to hear, she seems very manipulative. If it were the other way around I bet you a ASM 1 that she would be the first one to complain
Good content bro I totally agree. but I fear your gonna burn out trying to understand and fight against the “reseller” sect of the comic book world. Yes they are a detracting obnoxious segment of the hobby, but, as long as the industry keeps rewarding fools like Comictom or the reprehensible Gemmint, it’s up to good creators like you to keep us entertained on the good segments of the hobby and let those fools have their corner of filth.
Gemmint is not a comic lover,just a opportunist,just the way he talks about books,and when he sold ALL his 49 Absolutes,to go down in quality, to books drowning in gutter loss..... wtaf ?! Then buys a huge house in Texas,a 2nd home on top of that,after all his Comictom101 videos. And hinting at the $$$ he made on speculation on comics.
Influencers and whatnot are scams but why didn’t you have a minimum price start
She’s a scammer. Stole money from me and didn’t deliver . She lives in a small Florida shack with million dollar books behind her . Common. Not suspicious? lol but ya I don’t have to tell ya this .
Bro Daniel is a plant and a business woman 1st and foremost. She doesn't even read comics...it's all about profit and fun for her.
Calling it a STEAL instead of a DEAL feels icky. Your buyers aren't thieves because you set the starting bid with 20 viewers like you're starting with 100. That's totally on you as a seller, start your bids appropriately.
If she has been in the game for 20+ years, she KNOWS that many of the books she is peddling will not hold their value. She also knows that she has influence and is part of the system that is creating artificial demand and hype for these books. It's undeniable. At the same time Whatnot is set up in such a way that it allows or even creates these problems. People like Nerdy Girl are just taking advantage of this exploitative system and thereby, taking advantage of buyers.
I understand that it would be harmful to her career to come on and admit to all of that. But then just don't say anything at all. Don't pretend that you're just some small time seller and all of these things are happening around and to you, but you have no role in it. Don't mistake us for fools. I will say though she does essentially say it's on the buyer and things only sell for what people will pay for it. I appreciate that, because it's true. Influencers have responsibility for sure, but buyers must also become savy.
…more like GREEDY GIRL COMICS
auctions are gambles...why is this controversial?
It was your FIRST sale, why did you expect to sell like someone with a TON of experience and sales? That’s pretty silly. Would you expect to be a race car driver if you showed up to a F1 competition? Would you expect to be able to play baseball professionally after watching a game on TV?
I love sports analogies keep ‘em coming
whatnot has waaay too much money behind them. they will ruin the hobby
What not platform is un-useable. It's awful. And I mean bad at a level where I can't see how anybody is using it. Interface is trash.. layout is a mess.
So many things to say about this video. Why would you start an ASM 316 for $1 on your first stream? If you knew it was worth more than $48 then set your starting bit higher than $48. You losing money is nobody's fault but your own. Come on man. I've seen people that have no social media following, no youtube channels, get over 100 people in their whatnot streams because they bring top dollar key comics every sale. And yes, it takes more than just one sale to build a following.... Maybe you should have actually done a dollar start sale with.... dollar bin books.
If someone is paying major money for a garbage book, that's on them. Are you buying them? No? Then move on and buy what you like to buy.
You're an influencer because you influenced over 1,100 people that watched this video.
You seem like a decent guy that is being influenced by the drama. Don't fall into the trap. But I see you're already learning that piggy backing this drama gets you more views.
It's also funny that Thoro trash talked her for days and then decided to bring her on the show and take a different tone. Maybe he likes the more views too.
And you end calling Whatnot a bully because you are mad because you set key books at a dollar on your first show and lost money...
Thanks for the view
@@Stickygoose Of course. And thanks for proving my point.
@@tonyheart9306 you sound very angry
@@cardsandcomics lol Okay buddy. The guy making this video is the one sounding angry. Crying because he started keys at a dollar on his first ever live sale. What do I have to be angry about? I find it a bit amusing though, that people so easily blame others for their ignorance.
Wow I didnt even know this is going on....I never even been on Whatnot...
Never heard of them...🤣