Is Homeopathy a Placebo? | Richard Dawkins Questions Homeopath
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- Опубликовано: 17 сен 2024
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I shall be spending the whole of September, and the first week of October, in North America, speaking in ten different cities from Dallas to Vancouver. I am 83 years old, and travel is more irksome than it was. The maxim, “Quit while you’re ahead” has recently received a welcome boost, and I anticipate that this will be my last American tour. My swansong. My final bow.
There’ll be a Q & A at every event. And I’ll be signing any or all of my 19 books, including The Genetic Book of the Dead, which will be just published. This will probably be your last opportunity to tell me how profoundly you disagree with everything I’ve written and said. Or the reverse if that is the case. Either way, I look forward to seeing you.
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In this episode, Richard Dawkins has a conversation with Dr. Peter Fisher, who is a physician and homeopath. They discuss the efficacy of Homeopath, controversy regarding funding homeopathy, and the scientific (or non scientific) nature of the field.
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Apologists for homeopathy really annoy me. I can only take them in small doses.
My step-mother, who ran a health food store, was an apologist. Since she professed to know a bit of anatomy and physiology, I challenged her to posit a mechanism by which homeopathy works, and of course she could not.
But, she also couldn’t explain the mechanism for souls, or anything about her religion, but she wasn’t stopped believing nonsense there, either.
Very good. I see what you did there.😅
Funny that his first and only example of evidence was acupuncture, not homeopathy (by the 7 minute mark). Why would water retain the memory of the molecule on further dilution, but impurities and toxins somehow don't?
I find them rather ineffective.
This particular comment makes me feel unwell.
I purchased a bottle of homeopathy sleeping aid at a drug store in Long Beach CA, about 10 years ago to make a point. I consumed the entire thing at a lunch, in front of a dozen coworkers. Those who lost their bet with me never payed.
Did it work or not?
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@@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095 I would have sued if it had. There isn't supposed to be any active ingredient in homeopathic remedies.
My mum was very much into homeopathy and therefore I strongly believed in it as a kid. But still I had no benefit and no placebo effect when my asthma was treaded with homeopathy. I was quite happy when I found out that there is actual medicine that actually helps.
Twain is credited with "history doesn't repeat but it often rhymes"
Dawkins presents under the "Poetry of reality". NOTHING is as poetic as him getting his ass seriously destroyed: ruclips.net/video/xIHMnD2FDeY/видео.html
2 Nobel laureates & Craig Venter ALL SAY TO HIS FACE;"It is impossible that humans will ever know life's origin"
HE SAYS NOTHING! His entire CV, sine qua non and he sits mute/deaf/sub-moronic--TF??
This dribble is impossible to listen to. If homeopathic "drugs" would cost what they are worth in terms of ingredients I wouldn't have a problem with them, but as it is they are a cash grab. Even worse when there is public money involved!
I agree. It's the pricing that bothers me.
@@pardalote Pure water is very expensive!
There’s a term for alternative medicine that actually works. Medicine.
It’s not quite that simple. Some alternate medicines are “alternative” because the pharma industry is making too much money on their cures (or non-cures) and don’t want the competition.
im sure Tim would agree with you
Brilliant, I’m going to repeat this to a friend of my SO whom has bought into all the nonsense.
One doctor put it this way: There's no such thing as alternative medicine; there's only medicine. If something is effective, it's used.
I love Richard. Learnt a lot from him over the years. Hope he's doing well. Homeopathy is nonsense obviously. Peace.✌️
Dr Fisher is great example of - 'could sell snow to an eskimo in winter'‼ Has the manner of a sharp, fast talking sales man with a well practiced pitch for a dodgey product ... & looks to be just that❗- or a sharp, fast talking lawyer arguing a dodgey case ... & so on ... or any other in the list of better known charlatans.
If I lived near that hospital I'd open a homeopathic coffee shop. I wouldn't have to spend a penny on ingredients or training baristas. I'd make a fortune!
Why stop there? I'd bid on the cafeteria contract and propose opening a homeopathic weight loss clinic in the hospital. And according to the head of the hospital, I wouldn't need a license to treat patients.
Homeopathic weight loss methods are proven to work: you eat calories, just in veeeeeery small quantities...
As an indian who has taken Homeopathy. It is. Atleast in my opinion. Because it has never worked for me. I am pessimistic and skeptical by nature. But it did work for my dad. And my mom. And my grand father, and my uncle and... you get the point. I don't think its ineffective, because placebos work. I just think its a placebo.
what is amazing about real drugs is that they work no matter if you believe they will or not!
I agree with them. But the nocebo effect experiments with opiates are also interesting.
@@DeconvertedMan hard to say without any control experiments.
@@catkin-z8g the effect of placebo is known, the problem of homeopathy is all the nonsense attached to it.
Quick answer: No, it should not exist, its a total con.
In my most recent visit to see my doctor, I asked if he could prescribe an extra-strong placebo! He laughed of course, and then he told me he's not allowed to [in Canada].
If he burst into song, you might have gone to the office of Plácebo Domingo, as his studio adjoins your doctor's room.
He would have understood if you had asked for the pfizer jab.
Sweet lords of Kobol does this camera person love close ups of faces and swivelling around, it's very uncomfortable, makes me feel way closer than I'm comfortable to
Talk about an intimate interview! I've seen less invasive dental X-rays. If the camera got any closer, it'd need to buy the doc dinner first.
Plot twist: Dr. Peter Fisher is fully aware that homeopathy is placebo and keeps being serious so he doesn't ruin that and keep the placebo running for his patients 😀
Love to Professor Dawkins. Thank you for this channel and everything
I think it is not safe to claim that homeopathy is safe. Not only in cases where patients should have received regular treatment. I can’t image that any substance that produces changes in the body limits itself to beneficial changes only. And how do you know if a particular patient doesn’t react in a different way?
What would be the substance that produces changes here? I don't think there seems to be any, which should make it "safe", like water. It's just useless(because there's no active ingredients), but they can claim it's safe.
I can't watch your interviews, only listen because I get sea sick very easily.
There's a placebo for that...
I know what you mean. Whoever the director of these particular series of interviews was needs to go back to film school. A very distracting and ungainly approach.
He keeps referring to scientific evidence but fails to specify any. Effects related to the medicine? There is no medicine in it!
There is evidence that the placebo does have an effect.
@@ZER0-- Please point me to a scientific study that does so. I would love to read one providing it is truly a proper study. So far, I've never found anyone who could. Beyond the placebo effect, which is basically the individual's personal experience, the claims of homeopathy being a real medicine is a quite strange considering there is no medicine in it.
@@ZER0-- Yes and dumbos feather actually had an effect.
@@cowboyfrankspersonalvideos8869 I'm not sure what your objection is here. The placebo effect really does have real, quantifiable results that can instigate actual healing healing, not just the perception of healing. The brain has a great deal of power over the body. But it will always wear off after a few treatments at most.
Before I knew it was bs, I was sold baby teething homeopathic "medicine" my kid was in pain all night until I could get proper teething gel in the morning 😡
The second the doctor says it believes it is placebo, he's out of a job. He must deny until retirement.
For a placebo, this fraud-pills are too expensive. And sometimes it may cost one a Life =(
Your rationale is exemplary, sir. It is good for a 72 y/o such as I, once exceptionally rational, to readjust my own.
Retired from the UK to Jamaica, sadly I will not be able to see you on tour, but I will be following with a not inconsiderable awe.
Thank you for you.
When I was in the Army, I injured my ankle during a run. For some reason, they sent me to the acupuncturist. It didn't help and I still don't know why they sent me!
Please, for the future, don't use your zoom to the max. Show a little more of the people from a little more distance. Nobody likes to be in a conversation with no personal distance. And that is like it feels watching this.
Maybe in this case you should just listen and not watch. I very rarely watch, I do other things and just listen.
@@VeryLikeLeigh Yes, that's what I thought. But then, if they anyhow produce a video, then why not make it better?
This is very old I think.
I stayed in an unmanned mountain hut a couple nights ago. The first aid kit had a label "This kit contains homeopathic medicine. Keep mobile phones away!" Do you think it would have cured the golf ball size swelling and bruise on my shin?
Thanks for the video. This homeopathic expert is very realistic as compared to the other ones who are constantly producing videos claiming strange things. I hope if there is any theoretical and experimental Ideas support in favour of homeopathy, please make it public.
For those talking about camera, this interview is about 20 years ago, that's how Dawkins film man used to do it
They do acupuncture too! Proof it’s all BS, but BS that makes some people feel better.
Not to be confused with dry needling used by physiotherapists, in which the needle physically enters nerves.
@@vandammesque I understand why those who provide dry needling want to distance themselves from acupuncture, but like acupuncture and homeopathy, it might make you feel better for awhile.
@@OptimisticHominid With allopathy a lot of people don't just feel worse but they don't feel at all.
Thank you richard dawkins 🙏😊 you opened my eyes 💡
placebo, the power of the mind is still not understood
He mentioned that homeopathy is unregulated. I wonder if people who seek treatment and see a "homeopathy doctor" ad are actually aware of this. With real doctors, you can at least have overwhelming confidence that they've graduated from medical school.
Some of them are even ex-doctors, who’ve realised how much more money they can make peddling this snake oil.
My mother was a victim of a homeopath who was previously a medically qualified General Practitioner in the UK, now a homeopath in her retirement. And my mother thought this gave them extra credibility.
This homeopath was telling my mother to stop taking the cancer treatment drugs she had been prescribed. So those who claim homeopaths are harmless… think again.
That's probably actually a selling point. In their minds, being unregulated means you're not a corporate shill for the medical industrial complex who wants to keep people sick so they will keep paying for more conventional medicine.
The woman in the waiting room who was given a cup of tea and a biscuit said it was the best treatment she ever had.
Tea! That's what she thought, and the Shroom crackers were out of this world.
Thank you Prof. Dawkins for a spectacular lifetime
I always thought in addition to the placebo effect, the way homeopathy "works" is also by spending quality time with the patient. That can make a huge difference, feeling heard and feeling cared about. And that psychological difference can obviously have a big physiological difference. Furthermore, the fact that you might not get some of the more harmful medication, and therefore not their side effects and subsequent damage either, can make another big difference.
Dude did NOT WANT to make eye contact with Dawkins because HE KNEW he was SUPER WRONG!
This is very badly filmed. The person with the camera should have taken some lessons and learnt what they were meant to be doing. It is very distracting.
In Germany, homeopathy can be covered as a service by health insurance companies 🤦♂️.
Yes, it's a shame.
Good god, they're actually giving away people's tax dollars to con men. That's one thing that I hate about many governments, they think tax dollars are just a theoretical abstraction they can toss away at will.
Placebo can be given to help feel better even by a simple touch to the forehead with genuine kindness , and if the patient happens to be a faithful believer then recite a vesper quietly and gently blow it over patient’s face and the body. My parents used to do that whenever I fell ill and it worked, even it was for a short while. The placebo effect is more psychological than it is physiological and its patient’s own state of mind that helps the system to repair itself with natural or modern medical treatments .
It would be great if Richard interviewed Professor Angus Dalgleish when he returns from the US. Professor Dalgliesh describes the effects of catastrophic or difficult life events on his patients, and the issues of immune response and inflammation on cancer.
What is sad is a perfectly good doctor's skills being underutilised!
When he says “I always allow patients to talk to the television people because they’re supportive” is one of the many confirmation biases.
As Charlie Battenberg is a great supporter , it must be good, just like his views on on architecture , "God " and marital fidelity. Defender of the faiths,, give us strength and roll on the 2nd English republic. Good rational discussion and intelligent questioning by Dawkins
I remember reading about an experiment where people were given a placebo, and were actually told it was a placebo, and they still experienced a beneficial placebo effect.
I liked Dr Peter Fisher. Sadly he died 6 years ago. I remember, in the old days, him and Andrea from the path lab mounting a campaign to save RLHH from people like me. Their slogan was "No carve up at the homoeopathic" which was opposed to my support for David Owen's (the then health minister's) 'Island site' plan for the National Hospital, Great Ormond Street and RLHH to form a special health authority by sharing their resources and premises. I saw it as a way of saving RLHH from Camden & Islington AHA(T) and he saw it as giving our resources away. Dr Owen became foreign secretary and the plan went away. And RLHH died.
Despite having never believed in homeopathy, I have on 3 occasions experienced extraordinary benefits when, after much hesitancy, (not to mention great skepticism) I agreed to partake of homeopathic remedies. So, although I remain unconvinced of any definitive connection between those treatments and my otherwise seemingly inexplicable improvements, I am nonetheless viewed by some friends and family as a kind of reluctant poster boy for homeopathy
Although you may never have ‘believed’ in the efficacy of homeopathy, you clearly are someone who is susceptible to ‘belief’. And it’s ‘belief’ that’s the ‘key’ here.
@@williamtaylor9966 Don't see how disbelief made me susceptible to a belief I did not - nor do now - hold...
(...unless you are suggesting I am susceptible to other's beliefs)
The other question is whether the placebo effect is even real. Some very questionable research underpins its acceptance as an effect
Of course it's real. It's real in the sense that it can have a beneficial effect. It is mentioned in this video.
In allopathy they calculate the dose based on the placebo effect. That is how they end up not being effective. placebo - poison = 0 + harmful.
I honestly love you with all my heart! Wish you healthy and happy life for many years to come! ❤️
One interesting thing about the placebo effect is that it can work even if the patient knows it is a placebo.
Yes, but _knowing_ does reduce the effect. Studies on "prayer" healing, for example, have repeatedly shown this over many, many years of study.
@@garyt123
Dan Barker made a beautiful song. Nothing fails like prayer.
@@VaughanMcCue Cool. I think I heard it from Neil DeGrasse Tyson, prayer healing (assuming the sick person doesn't know they are being prayed for) is equal to the placebo. If the person _knows_ they are being prayed for then it somehow _reduces,_ so prayer actually can reduce to instances of getting better.
@@garyt123
I was in the hospital once in a life-threatening situation and still alive after nurses, doctors, and other staff did their job.
Was It a miracle?
Perhaps it was because they paid attention to their teachers.
There's no need for prayer.
That research was paid for by a religious marketing group that promotes superstition, and you are right.
Some suggest the study wasn't monitored well enough or similar excuses to promote nonsense,
There can never be evidence that prayer works because there are too many variables to consider, and it is easy to conflate correlation with causation.
If you look at the graph of lemons imported into the US from Mexico and road fatalities, there was a significant correlation. As lemons increase, the number of car crashes decreases. Importing lemons saves lives.
Thanks for your interest and contribution.
Do you notice that the word “culture” came up - and it contains the word”cult” in it? Just saying…..
Was this the first time the person holding the camera had ever encountered the technology? Or were they drunk? Very distracting and very irritating work.
I have just set up my new homeopathy shop… and a small room in the back for quantum therapy. I intend to draw a good money from them.
My mother-in-law was seriously into homeopathy. If one of my kids fell over and hurt their knee or something she would chase them around trying to give them "rescue remedy ". They just needed a hug and perhaps a bandaid. They were reassured so much faster with a bit of love, reassurance, and some simple first aid.
The act of ‘chasing them around’, was perhaps the remedy?
@@williamtaylor9966 not when they were crying and needing comfort.
Love, the most powerful medicine there is, pharmacists hate the fact it can't be commercialized.
@@williamtaylor9966
Tried to exorcise them.
Funny is that homeopathy is more effective than medicines because you’re not taking any of them 😂
Cheaper as while!
not more effeftive but less harmful so the overall result is medicinal.
@@catkin-z8g A. Oh Yeah? And if you use homeopathy for curing cancer? - B. 50 to 80% of all cancers can be treated well by modern medicine. Homeopathy: Zero!
I'm so disgusted that I can't listen any further. For my mental health, lol.
There's a placebo you can take for that.
Swallow an entire box of Kalms or SleepEaze....then say how well homeopathy works.
My crystals are vibrating at a mHz of photon particle colours flavour so intense I had to put out the incense. Oh Dawkins... I will pray for you at my New Catholic All Woke church this Sunday. May the bounty of Flat Earth river wash away your evil.
You sound like you need a placebo.
**Triggered**
Sir, love from Bangladesh.
Define "reality" I suppose.
Really?
Homeopathy seems to have made them younger
Dude: "I know all this is a fraud, but all this is not a fraud"
Are he and Ms Garrison still together?
Homeopath: How to lie to yourself, others, etc, utter nonsense. Acupuncture puncture LOL!! HAHAHAAHHAah no it does nothing.
My 93 year old mother is a strong advocate for homeopathy, and she's doing great with it. But so am I, with my average strong health, not needing any pills, not even aspirin.
So.. Maybe it's the genes. Not the pills.
He never blinks in the intro. Is he a robot?
Which one?
Homeopathy in the NHS?
Surely not?
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Why did you hire a child to be your cameraman?
Perhaps he OD'd on homey.
no.
Sorry, I can't watch this. Bloody awful camera work. Makes me slightly queasy.
What has RD to do with poetry ....very unscientific .
It seems there is at least some interest in what Dawkins is going to be wrong about next.
Uh, what's Dawkins gotten wrong?
@@fretbuzz59 Go to his talk, I'm sure he'll tell you at length.
same as KAMALA.
Trump?… is that you old man?
@19:45 Brilliant! F'in brilliant!!!!!!! : " There is not a scrap of evidence homeopathy can prevent any disease." F'in brilliant. At least he is a honest con man :)
Another Dawkins interview filmed by a 1st grade student in movie making 😀
I appreciate the content; however, is there a homeopathic remedy to alleviate the nausea induced by watching this video? 🤢
What 😂 cabbages
The story of Jacques Benveniste and the memory of water woukd be very enlightening.
This guy talks too much, talks too fast and is boring
I am a psychologist and I can help you with all your problems in your life. The helpful truth is atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is the religious idea of the creator of the creation to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. Did you understand the atheist logical fallacy? Atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is "sky daddy" to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. The atheist logical fallacy is easy to understand being honest and impossible lying to oneself. Atheists misreason "sky daddy doesn't exist therefore god doesn’t exist". I was religious and atheist and I escaped out of the cults immune to arguments being honest. Spinoza was right and nobody listened. An exercise to improve your life is to read Spinoza. God exists because from nothing can not be created something. If you don't know reality is eternal is because atheists and religious people are hiding truthful information from you. Something always existed, God always existed. God is literally everything that exist, past present and future. To end the war the discovery that atheism is a logical fallacy has to be news. I said it. Humanity censor knowledge that saves their own children's lives. Emergency! Thank you.
Well that was quite the word salad.
And with a healthy dose of Straw Man logical fallacy (repeated over and over), which is highly ironic given the number of times you mention the phrase “logical fallacy” yourself.
@@happyspaceinvader508
The poor fellow made a spelling error in his opening description.
It should have said.
I am psychotic and need help with my problems because the person in the next cell also thinks he is Jesus. This clinic cannot function with two of us perfect beings.
Before you know it, they will let another one in, and we will have a Trinity.
Homeopathy at least in my experience works - zero doubt, emphatically not placebo. Granted there are DNA differences in people which may mean that it doesn’t work for everyone, and equally not all treatments necessarily work, but for me, Thuja removed my “cauliflower” verrucas within 4 months, no pain, no scars, no apparent side effects. And how do I know it’s not placebo? I wasn’t taking it to sort the wart - I was taking it to treat my acne (which it did absolutely nothing for I should note). I had tried multiple other treatments both through the nhs and from Boots etc over 7+ years and had no real improvement, in fact they were steadily grown and had spread in-between 2 toes. I had given up all hope of getting rid of them. So no, not placebo.
How lovely for you, but completely irrelevant to everyone else. You’ve just given us an anecdote. Your subjective experience is not scientific data.
Proper medicine requires scientific data from multiple double-blind trials, to prove beyond all doubt there’s no placebo at play.
@@happyspaceinvader508 just because we don’t understand how it works, does not mean it doesn’t! Science 101!
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Furthermore, verrucas often spontaneously disappear.
@@happyspaceinvader508 double blind trials don't test no placebo is at play. they know one is at play and work out how many mgs they can sell before the patient complains about the side effects.
For someone so "clever" you're awfully closed minded about A LOT of things... and a TRULY intelligent person knows, or should know, this is doesn't serve one AT all. I was amazed to hear how you speak about Dr. Deepak Chopra, and I can promise you your arrogance and snobbery is completely misguided because you CLEARLY cannot understand what Dr. Chopra is saying.
A lot of people won't agree, especially given how mr. Chopra has made a lot of verifiably false claims, aside from the nonsensical ones.
There is no way to "understand" someone that's using the wrong words for what they mean, other than to interpret their stories to mean something else than what was said
@@Vancha112 You can only get Deepak if you vibrate on a deeper level and those who don't are missing SO much and that's unfortunate but Richard is arrogant, self-righteous and just rude. I was once a fan but the more I hear him speak the more I just think he's an arsehole. Ironically Deepak has helped LOADS more people than Richard. While one focuses on how to improve lives and spread joy, the other insults and accuses without any empirical knowledge. Which is exactly the problem. Sam Harris has embraced spirituality and that makes him a MUCH more competent, informed and well rounded "atheist."
Dawkins is yet again trying to draw people away from the fact he cannot explain evolution or abiogenesis. So now instead of religion, or gender, he's having a go at homeopathy, he really is pathetic, why is he squandering the last few years of his life? You'd think he'd actually attempt to do some type of real scientific study, in order to prove evolution is not just a theory and make an actual contribution to science. Because as of yet, apart from one appalling paper in his early years, all Dawkins has done is write books that parrot other people's hard work, he knows nothing about the complexities of the cell, as can be seen by the way he avoids any questions on the subject, it's a wonder he's considered a scientist at all, he's more of a journalist.
Dawkins simplistic view of how an eye could form from a flap of transparent skin is ludicrous and shows Dawkins ignorance.
He ignores the fact that without a retina to catch the light passing through the flap, a nerve to transmit that light to the creature's early brain and then the cognitive ability to be able to recognise the light and understand what it was etc, the flap of skin would be useless and so would not be selected in further generations.
Dawkins will be remembered as a poor scientist, who contributed nothing to evolution, a curmudgeonly, bitter old atheist who squandered his life attacking religion.