CORRECTION: So it looks like my big error on this video is that OPR does indeed have a RUclips channel. I said it didn't because while making the video I went to RUclips, typed "One Page Rules" in the search, and got pages of fan channels. I couldn't actually find it without going through those fan channels. Crazy.
A bit late, but on social media, generally search for "onepagerules" and not "one page rules." although even with that search their channel is halfway down the page because of algorithms. "OPR" also often works, but not as reliably.
No competitive scene is a bonus for OPR in my opinion. When GW started catering exclusively to the competive scene it went down hill quick and I don't see them changing course any time soon, even though they try to pay lip service to "narrative" play.
I learned about OPR from that battle report dave and brett made. Since then ive been watching lots of battle reports from other channels, including yours. Thank you for covering OPR, its great
I went to a game store not in my city but a nearby city and they actually had 3d printers as a service at the store. They had a bunch of STL files available for fantasy stuff mostly for table top rpgs etc but they also allowed you to provide the stl files and pay the print fee as long as the files were supported. More expensive per than having your own printer but still much cheaper per model than most Games Workshop characters / unique models.
"Noobie gets crushed" was the same thing happened to me with Magic the Gathering. I bought a few decks the other player in a club asked what it was. I was truthful, and he pulled out a deck from a dufflebag that was a perfect counter to my deck. While we played he talked about how this card which had an entire different mechanic I know about, and was banned from tournament play. But I didnt think of it until after the game. I played a small tournament that had a draft later on and made a huge upstart knocking out the expected championship, I left on a high note and never played it again.
Really? I looked for one before making the video, and I guess typing "One Page Rules" in the RUclips search wasn't enough. I had to find it going through a fan channel. What's up with that? Thanks for letting me know.
My wife wants to set up a 'sealed deck' style league for OPR at a local store. By 'sealed deck' she means using the random army generator that OPR's Army Forge offers - players generating a 1,000 point army, printing and pinting it, then having at. Every player having a chance to play every other player - no elimination.
@@Good.Nuff.Gaming The 'sealed deck' is kind of a just for funsies thing- and folks can always blame their losses on the ArmyForge app. :P The list it generated for my Eternal Dynasty force was almost entirely ONI suits.
I'm torn on it. I mean, I require anyone who wants to play on the channel to have at least a tabletop standard, and painted armies always look better. It's necessary to get the lazy veteran players to paint stuff, buy I'd want to make some wiggle room for newbies. Before I started filming batreps the rule in the kingdom was "if they aren't fully painted and based you can play them that one time, but you have to have done work on them before you can play them again, not necessary fully done, but more than they were the last time."
One Page Rules is my Way to go after all the Sh*t GW did recently, and even have the courage to spike the prices even they had Black Numbers on the last Payout.
A couple of people already commented on this, but I'm wondering how do you support your local FLAGS while playing OPR? The idea of A FLAG setting up 3d printers is fantastic, but so many others are bound to GW as the base $$$ of miniature games I feel like I'm not supporting them by playing OPR ( even though I prefer OPR as a miniature battle system to Gw's) . For many of us FLAGs are our only source for the wargaming community.
Good question. I still buy paints and hobby supplies, as well as terrain. And while I do 3D printing for OPR, I still buy models for my other armies. They end up a mix of GW, 3D, and other 3rd party. My dwarf army for example has all 3 in it.
Interesting to hear your thoughts. Definitely appreciated your insights, particularly the history and your experience with GW. OPR has a youtube channel, but it's primarily mini previews and a monthly livestream.
Re: narrative, I prefer games where we make up our own narrative while playing, so that no two groups' universes are the same. I feel the whole metaplot thing is a curse on our imagination. It's great to have a starting point (there's an Imperium and crazy murder space soldier, also space elves), but I prefer narratice campaigns to evolve on their own.
I also live in Arizona and a negative experience with a guy working at the GW store in the mall in the early 2000's. I didn't get into the hobby until Kill Team in 2019.
For me, the only problems I'm having with OPR is that: I have more models than I can paint lol The community being small is a real problem though, being also outside of the GW scene makes it difficult for me to get other people in the FLGS to try OPR.
I hear that. Like I sad in the video I AM the OPR community around town (at least as far as I know) I've got about a half dozen people into it, but it's still pretty tenuous.
Really appreciate this series and your thoughtful examination of the many aspects of each topic. OPR has come a long way in a short time of building a base of customers that like thier products, business practices, and want to play thier games not just because they are the only game around or the only one, they can find players for. I hope that the community of players continues to grow and keeps providing an alternative for people looking to actual play wargames that does not require a massive expenditure of time and money just to get to the point where you can play a game at the recommended point value. Everybody should play whatever game they find fun, but I don't think a lot of people who play GW games, have enthusiastically chose it on its merits. Rather I think lots of GW players don't know other options exist or can't get anyone in thier circle to play something else. For many GW players they are operating under the assumption that GW's predatory business model, clunky rules, and high cost of entry/maintenance is just the "fun tax" they have to pay to enjoy thier hobby.
I have seen something interesting at my local FLGS. I started asking for non main games, like Battletech and OPR. Once I started to get traction they changed the facebook group name im in to 'Warhammer 40k' only group. Gotta love when community groups are owned by the FLGS. WOTC is having issues with Magic, so I get the logic. Still feels like shit though.
That's sad. My FLGS has a big Battletech and Historical group, but there's still 40k folks too. They set up a Discord server for the store and a subchannel for every game that people play. If they don't have one, they'll create for you and whoever else wants to play.
Minute 16 happend to my brother in Frankfurt germany. His Astra Militarum with Aegis Def Set against Noisemarines. he was tabled secend round, never touched a GW Product again.
I got almost tables at the top of turn one. The guy was really good, but if I hadn't already had better games and opponents behind me I may have quit. Sorry to hear that happened to your bro.
@@Good.Nuff.Gaming It always happens, i have seen this problem over and over in Italy. When i moved near Turin, we had a MTG store where we wanted to start a 40k community, so we persuaded the store to sell and promote 40k... Some people from a club nearby came along and crushed the youngsters without mercy. They were all competitive players... If i had not introduced OPR, probably all those kids would never play a tabletop wargame again... OPR was so succesfull that after a while the bunch of assholes started complaining and then they returned to their den not showing up again, but also losing some of their more casual friends who were attached to them just because they had no others to play with...
This does remind me that GW are FAR better than they used to be; they've still got a long way to go though, and the improvements they've made don't earn them a total pass for the shinanigans they still inflict on their players. Let's not forget the 3 year release cycle started with 8th, and Warhammer Community soon became the exhausting hype train that never stops.
And let's not forget the absolute insanity of Cursed City. I still don't understand what they were thinking and I am still sore from the whiplash of it's on, it's off, it's back, it's off again. So bizarre.
Opr's Discord is not Patreon only. Everyone could join. There are some areas only for Patreons. But the most part of it is for everyone who wants to join the community.
thanks for the video, a lot of great points. Honestly - don't care about the lore - sure have read a lot of it - but some of it is pretty bad - and honestly - a lot of it is just written to sell more models. I like the fact with OPR - I can play what ever I want - my lore is why I have models from multiple armies - because I want to play with those models. I am not beholden to any specific limits by lore.
I would ad a point that you didn't mention. Some OPR video created by contents creators are sponsored, like the one from Goobertown and Dave. Some GW video created by contents creators are given material in preview via an content creator. Both are advertised content for the companies, both tell the creator what to say and what not, both give some benefits to the creator via direct payment or free products BUT both aren't treated equally on the platforms like social media, blogs or RUclips. One have to say "includes paid promotion" the other one don't. Personally I don't care much because I am somehow able to restrain myself to compulsory buying (except for kill team bundle boxes😅) but it is morally and legally discutable why should one tell it and not the other. Please apologize for my English, if my point is not clear enough I would be pleased to reformulate.
That's a good point. If you get to the point that you're getting tons of free stuff from GW your opinion of their costs will change because you aren't paying them. But as for being told what to say, check out Brett from Goobertown's review of the AoS box set. He completely made fun of it even though GW gave him the box for free. Either there was some backlash that we don't know about, or Brett just didn't care, but he certainly didn't give them much advertising in that video.
@@Good.Nuff.Gaming by saying GW tells what you can or can't say I was more thinking about the NDA things that are bound with the Creator Program. Sure that there is more freedom with the creator program than with an sponsorship but it's still an kind of advertising
And combined with the tendancy of Fomo that GW implement, showing boxes and models in advance, even if the creators opinions aren't the best. The mass of reviews will automatically generated some hype to the viewers
It was Arizona Mills. It had LOTR at the central table because the films were being released so they were pushing it hard. It may have had an aquarium, I can't recall. I moved away in 2004.
@@Good.Nuff.Gaming I went there long after you left then. I was still a child in the single digits I'm pretty sure, the visual of a metal elf with a polearm over his head stuck with me ever since.
Dave and Goober video was what got me to sit up and pay attention to OPR. Other thing I havent found toxic OPR players... yet. Where as Gw.... Kick over a rock and there they are.
We can't blame tournaments for bringing out the competitive nature of people, there are just competitive people out there who play that way tournament or not.
GW wants to be a model and lore company … let them. OPR will win when the customer base embraces 3d printing, alt sculpts, and desires streamlined games. Offering a similar gaming experience, with free rules, in a 3rd of the time cannot be understated.
OPR's if you use a unit then I use a unit is mine favorite part and 3D models by 4k DPI or 8k+ mono are just as good / if not better than GW's injection molding models which are always "out of stock" BUT OPR is anti horde and more of an Elite combat mode I play Imperial Guard ( not Astra Militarum wanker doodle crap-o-la ) I can put up 350 painted Guardsman on the table Most Orc players can do the same with "Green Tide" Nid players can do the same with Hormagaunts swarm An elite Army looses so many "action" phases that if using Secondaries they will lose of not tabled BUT An elite army will crush a horde army at OPR's 1000'pts/ 2000pts limits GW's Astra Militarum Combat Patrol = 1950 points in OPR Agreed it takes a different way of think , but in it's own way OPR is unbalanced by size and Not faction OPR is a big skirmish game that is ok with 3D printed models
Interesting point, since the skirmish versions of the game function on the same rules but at a model level instead of a unit level. I've only ever played one game above 2000pts, and that was just a titanic model FFA. I'll have to try the hordes and see what it's like.
@@Good.Nuff.Gaming we have played Elite army has "x" activation's then horde army has the same x activation's but more units at each activation's It is still skewed but not as bad as elites with infantry clearing weapons thin the horde down quickly
You need some kind of bedrock, at the very least a general setting, otherwise you're right, no lore, no connecting or unifying threads, and then there's no reason to play it because it's too open.
@@Good.Nuff.Gaming The reason to play it is for the fun of the game. I can play my ork kommandos against any other faction from any source. If the goal of the game is to hold and objective or eliminate the opponent then why do you "need" pages of lore?
Perhaps, but if you played 40k back in it's early years there wasn't as much there either. I'm really curious what things will look like 10 years from now.
CORRECTION: So it looks like my big error on this video is that OPR does indeed have a RUclips channel. I said it didn't because while making the video I went to RUclips, typed "One Page Rules" in the search, and got pages of fan channels. I couldn't actually find it without going through those fan channels. Crazy.
Sure, by saying GW tells you what to say or not, I was more thinking about the NDA things that goes with the Creator Program
A bit late, but on social media, generally search for "onepagerules" and not "one page rules." although even with that search their channel is halfway down the page because of algorithms. "OPR" also often works, but not as reliably.
No competitive scene is a bonus for OPR in my opinion. When GW started catering exclusively to the competive scene it went down hill quick and I don't see them changing course any time soon, even though they try to pay lip service to "narrative" play.
Dave and Goober's video on OPR is what definitely brought me here :D
I learned about OPR from that battle report dave and brett made. Since then ive been watching lots of battle reports from other channels, including yours. Thank you for covering OPR, its great
I went to a game store not in my city but a nearby city and they actually had 3d printers as a service at the store. They had a bunch of STL files available for fantasy stuff mostly for table top rpgs etc but they also allowed you to provide the stl files and pay the print fee as long as the files were supported. More expensive per than having your own printer but still much cheaper per model than most Games Workshop characters / unique models.
"Noobie gets crushed" was the same thing happened to me with Magic the Gathering. I bought a few decks the other player in a club asked what it was. I was truthful, and he pulled out a deck from a dufflebag that was a perfect counter to my deck. While we played he talked about how this card which had an entire different mechanic I know about, and was banned from tournament play. But I didnt think of it until after the game. I played a small tournament that had a draft later on and made a huge upstart knocking out the expected championship, I left on a high note and never played it again.
Onepagerules do have an official RUclips channel. They post trailers for the new models each month and also do live Q&As and upcoming news.
Really? I looked for one before making the video, and I guess typing "One Page Rules" in the RUclips search wasn't enough. I had to find it going through a fan channel. What's up with that? Thanks for letting me know.
My wife wants to set up a 'sealed deck' style league for OPR at a local store.
By 'sealed deck' she means using the random army generator that OPR's Army Forge offers - players generating a 1,000 point army, printing and pinting it, then having at. Every player having a chance to play every other player - no elimination.
I've always been tempted to try the random builder, but because I always open the app with a specific build in mind I think, "next time."
@@Good.Nuff.Gaming The 'sealed deck' is kind of a just for funsies thing- and folks can always blame their losses on the ArmyForge app. :P
The list it generated for my Eternal Dynasty force was almost entirely ONI suits.
Good overall points. Except I vehemently agree with the store owner sticking with ‘painted models only rule’. Cheers to patience of a painted army!
I'm torn on it. I mean, I require anyone who wants to play on the channel to have at least a tabletop standard, and painted armies always look better. It's necessary to get the lazy veteran players to paint stuff, buy I'd want to make some wiggle room for newbies. Before I started filming batreps the rule in the kingdom was "if they aren't fully painted and based you can play them that one time, but you have to have done work on them before you can play them again, not necessary fully done, but more than they were the last time."
One Page Rules is my Way to go after all the Sh*t GW did recently, and even have the courage to spike the prices even they had Black Numbers on the last Payout.
OPR DOES have a RUclips channel showing the monthly releases, painting showcases and regular live streams with the founder
As a lore fiend I'm excited for the next OPR writer's jam in December! Such a cool community event!
I actually found your channel and you introduced me to one page rules. Love the content
Awesome. Welcome aboard!
A couple of people already commented on this, but I'm wondering how do you support your local FLAGS while playing OPR?
The idea of A FLAG setting up 3d printers is fantastic, but so many others are bound to GW as the base $$$ of miniature games I feel like I'm not supporting them by playing OPR ( even though I prefer OPR as a miniature battle system to Gw's) . For many of us FLAGs are our only source for the wargaming community.
Good question. I still buy paints and hobby supplies, as well as terrain. And while I do 3D printing for OPR, I still buy models for my other armies. They end up a mix of GW, 3D, and other 3rd party. My dwarf army for example has all 3 in it.
Interesting to hear your thoughts. Definitely appreciated your insights, particularly the history and your experience with GW. OPR has a youtube channel, but it's primarily mini previews and a monthly livestream.
Re: narrative, I prefer games where we make up our own narrative while playing, so that no two groups' universes are the same. I feel the whole metaplot thing is a curse on our imagination. It's great to have a starting point (there's an Imperium and crazy murder space soldier, also space elves), but I prefer narratice campaigns to evolve on their own.
I also live in Arizona and a negative experience with a guy working at the GW store in the mall in the early 2000's. I didn't get into the hobby until Kill Team in 2019.
Interesting...Ever play Warhammer Fantasy back then? I was the only High Elf player that I knew of. Maybe we played a game and didn't even know it.
Thanks for the Video 😊 In germany we got realy small turnements from OPR.
Keep the good work flowing🎉
Bitte shon, und danke fur Ihre nette Worte.
How small are these tourneys?
@@Good.Nuff.Gaming 8-10 players
For me, the only problems I'm having with OPR is that:
I have more models than I can paint lol
The community being small is a real problem though, being also outside of the GW scene makes it difficult for me to get other people in the FLGS to try OPR.
Get some friends on board and do your own thing:)
I hear that. Like I sad in the video I AM the OPR community around town (at least as far as I know) I've got about a half dozen people into it, but it's still pretty tenuous.
A little late, but I found your video after seeing that battle report you mentioned lol
Really appreciate this series and your thoughtful examination of the many aspects of each topic.
OPR has come a long way in a short time of building a base of customers that like thier products, business practices, and want to play thier games not just because they are the only game around or the only one, they can find players for. I hope that the community of players continues to grow and keeps providing an alternative for people looking to actual play wargames that does not require a massive expenditure of time and money just to get to the point where you can play a game at the recommended point value.
Everybody should play whatever game they find fun, but I don't think a lot of people who play GW games, have enthusiastically chose it on its merits. Rather I think lots of GW players don't know other options exist or can't get anyone in thier circle to play something else. For many GW players they are operating under the assumption that GW's predatory business model, clunky rules, and high cost of entry/maintenance is just the "fun tax" they have to pay to enjoy thier hobby.
I have seen something interesting at my local FLGS. I started asking for non main games, like Battletech and OPR. Once I started to get traction they changed the facebook group name im in to 'Warhammer 40k' only group.
Gotta love when community groups are owned by the FLGS. WOTC is having issues with Magic, so I get the logic. Still feels like shit though.
That's sad. My FLGS has a big Battletech and Historical group, but there's still 40k folks too. They set up a Discord server for the store and a subchannel for every game that people play. If they don't have one, they'll create for you and whoever else wants to play.
Minute 16 happend to my brother in Frankfurt germany. His Astra Militarum with Aegis Def Set against Noisemarines. he was tabled secend round, never touched a GW Product again.
I got almost tables at the top of turn one. The guy was really good, but if I hadn't already had better games and opponents behind me I may have quit. Sorry to hear that happened to your bro.
@@Good.Nuff.Gaming It always happens, i have seen this problem over and over in Italy. When i moved near Turin, we had a MTG store where we wanted to start a 40k community, so we persuaded the store to sell and promote 40k... Some people from a club nearby came along and crushed the youngsters without mercy. They were all competitive players... If i had not introduced OPR, probably all those kids would never play a tabletop wargame again... OPR was so succesfull that after a while the bunch of assholes started complaining and then they returned to their den not showing up again, but also losing some of their more casual friends who were attached to them just because they had no others to play with...
This does remind me that GW are FAR better than they used to be; they've still got a long way to go though, and the improvements they've made don't earn them a total pass for the shinanigans they still inflict on their players.
Let's not forget the 3 year release cycle started with 8th, and Warhammer Community soon became the exhausting hype train that never stops.
And let's not forget the absolute insanity of Cursed City. I still don't understand what they were thinking and I am still sore from the whiplash of it's on, it's off, it's back, it's off again. So bizarre.
Opr's Discord is not Patreon only. Everyone could join. There are some areas only for Patreons. But the most part of it is for everyone who wants to join the community.
Cool. Thanks for the clarification.
My main problem with the rumour engine is by the time the model is revealed I've already forgotten what was teased
thanks for the video, a lot of great points.
Honestly - don't care about the lore - sure have read a lot of it - but some of it is pretty bad - and honestly - a lot of it is just written to sell more models. I like the fact with OPR - I can play what ever I want - my lore is why I have models from multiple armies - because I want to play with those models. I am not beholden to any specific limits by lore.
I would ad a point that you didn't mention.
Some OPR video created by contents creators are sponsored, like the one from Goobertown and Dave.
Some GW video created by contents creators are given material in preview via an content creator.
Both are advertised content for the companies, both tell the creator what to say and what not, both give some benefits to the creator via direct payment or free products BUT both aren't treated equally on the platforms like social media, blogs or RUclips. One have to say "includes paid promotion" the other one don't.
Personally I don't care much because I am somehow able to restrain myself to compulsory buying (except for kill team bundle boxes😅) but it is morally and legally discutable why should one tell it and not the other.
Please apologize for my English, if my point is not clear enough I would be pleased to reformulate.
That's a good point. If you get to the point that you're getting tons of free stuff from GW your opinion of their costs will change because you aren't paying them. But as for being told what to say, check out Brett from Goobertown's review of the AoS box set. He completely made fun of it even though GW gave him the box for free. Either there was some backlash that we don't know about, or Brett just didn't care, but he certainly didn't give them much advertising in that video.
@@Good.Nuff.Gaming by saying GW tells what you can or can't say I was more thinking about the NDA things that are bound with the Creator Program.
Sure that there is more freedom with the creator program than with an sponsorship but it's still an kind of advertising
And combined with the tendancy of Fomo that GW implement, showing boxes and models in advance, even if the creators opinions aren't the best. The mass of reviews will automatically generated some hype to the viewers
I was too young to remember much but did the mall store have a lot of LOTR stuff and an aquarium?
It was Arizona Mills. It had LOTR at the central table because the films were being released so they were pushing it hard. It may have had an aquarium, I can't recall. I moved away in 2004.
@@Good.Nuff.Gaming I went there long after you left then. I was still a child in the single digits I'm pretty sure, the visual of a metal elf with a polearm over his head stuck with me ever since.
Dave and Goober video was what got me to sit up and pay attention to OPR. Other thing I havent found toxic OPR players... yet. Where as Gw.... Kick over a rock and there they are.
Nice, that video was a huge boost for OPR.
We can't blame tournaments for bringing out the competitive nature of people, there are just competitive people out there who play that way tournament or not.
True, competitiveness is innate, though the tournaments can act as a lightning rod.
GW wants to be a model and lore company … let them.
OPR will win when the customer base embraces 3d printing, alt sculpts, and desires streamlined games.
Offering a similar gaming experience, with free rules, in a 3rd of the time cannot be understated.
OPR's if you use a unit then I use a unit is mine favorite part
and 3D models by 4k DPI or 8k+ mono are just as good / if not better than GW's injection molding models which are always "out of stock"
BUT
OPR is anti horde and more of an Elite combat mode
I play Imperial Guard ( not Astra Militarum wanker doodle crap-o-la )
I can put up 350 painted Guardsman on the table
Most Orc players can do the same with "Green Tide"
Nid players can do the same with Hormagaunts swarm
An elite Army looses so many "action" phases that if using Secondaries they will lose of not tabled
BUT
An elite army will crush a horde army at OPR's 1000'pts/ 2000pts limits
GW's Astra Militarum Combat Patrol = 1950 points in OPR
Agreed it takes a different way of think , but in it's own way OPR is unbalanced by size and Not faction
OPR is a big skirmish game that is ok with 3D printed models
Interesting point, since the skirmish versions of the game function on the same rules but at a model level instead of a unit level. I've only ever played one game above 2000pts, and that was just a titanic model FFA. I'll have to try the hordes and see what it's like.
@@Good.Nuff.Gaming we have played Elite army has "x" activation's then horde army has the same x activation's but more units at each activation's
It is still skewed but not as bad as elites with infantry clearing weapons thin the horde down quickly
OPR is model agnostic, so seeing you could play with their minis or "army men" or Lego figures isn't the lack of lore largely irrelevant?
You need some kind of bedrock, at the very least a general setting, otherwise you're right, no lore, no connecting or unifying threads, and then there's no reason to play it because it's too open.
@@Good.Nuff.Gaming The reason to play it is for the fun of the game. I can play my ork kommandos against any other faction from any source. If the goal of the game is to hold and objective or eliminate the opponent then why do you "need" pages of lore?
I tried to get back into X-wing and played against a guys sweaty tournament list. I'm not going back to X-Wing now.
Sorry to hear that. It sucks when someone tries to get into the hobby and gets stiff-armed like that.
Idk why i would play OPR when there is so much more in 40k
Perhaps, but if you played 40k back in it's early years there wasn't as much there either. I'm really curious what things will look like 10 years from now.
Opr is just better in every way but lore. BUT you don't need lore to enjoy the game.
Lets face it OPR only exists because GW suck.