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I need to dust off my Prime Bros. They're much better in the current version of the rules.

The My Little Pony Chapter!

Call very good points this is the kind of considered discussion I like to see. I would like one page rules to finally bite the bullet and give unit full melee/ranged/morale/move/defense profiles. Their slavosh adherence to the simplest profile is holding it back

"I was giving them money to use the stuff I already had." Preach! Great video. Well spoken and well reasoned.

I've never backed a kickstarter game as they are all to expensive for something i doesn't know in advance will play well and to my tastes. I think whete possible they need to offer "demo" versions like computer games do - cheep or free-to-print versions with the core game. Then if i love that i may shell out for the full version with dozens of fancy parts.

OK, now I'm happy and sold. I was hoping for a Quest equivalent for Grimdark Future....and it is coming. Excellent!!! Time to finish my WH40k pile of shame for what's to come.

I think I'd like the Synth Wave Marines more if it wasnt "this year." But for now they just look like propaganda marines.

“Good enough now, is perfect,” a common phrase in military procurement

19:30 the puns! The puns are never ending and I love it!

Awesome game! What is the size of the board used??

Great battle rep and OPR with zerg models, even more awesome! FYI, melee morale test ignores the wounds at end of activation clause: "Units that were in melee don’t take morale tests from wounds at the end of an activation, but must compare the number of wounds each unit caused instead. The unit with the lowest total loses, and must take a morale test."

Visible dice! What an amazing change :P. Thank you for the content. :)

Ok the name is "Hot Pink Lover"!!!!

These Zerg models are amazing!

The marine to the left is from the 2nd Edition boxed set, 1993. It is 3 pieces - gun w/ hands, main body, back pack.

Yay! I love firstborn marines. Primaris project is a big scum

Just say down wirh a beer, olives and cheese. Theb this pops up. Thats the next hour sorted 👌

I don't mind the elves. it exactly what i think of elves. as for the fantasy like design i think it create a theme of how high tech they are, like a so high tech it's magic kind feel

Once all the long-ears have fallen down there was There was neither celebration of victory nor mourning for the fallen dwarves.The only thing victorious dwarves new was that the enemies of the Ironbeard Corp will be back sooner or later. Extraction of valuable minerals should begin asap. "It looks like it's safe. Let's rinse our throats with a sip of good liquor.... safe, at least for now so we need to start... Good'nuff lads! Let's strike the earth!" said The Mining Master and then, having rolled up their sleeves, the dwarves got to work. If you draw this entry then sell the kit and donate the money to the needy you don't know.God bless you all!

I'm subscribed to the Ashes Reborn game. A few times a year, they charge me $40 and send me the new expansion and cards. The subscription model is absolutely already a thing!

GW is Cult Tactics Marketing ( a term I just made up ). People get in because they need a community. They stay in and take the abuse of the Cult Leader ( GW ) because they don't want to leave that community. The social instinct is a type of survival instinct and for many that is stronger than the need for self respect.

Another factor to consider is 3-D printing. People are less desperate for purchased miniatures bundles when they can print their own at a fractional price.

One big risk I believe is that people are discovering the sheer difficulty in finding friends/players who will play all these kickstarters. Market is getting saturated with variety. Much harder than video games.

Subscription models won't work with a CMON, the "culture" of that industry relies heavily on being sold for that specific game and offering. You wouldn't sign up to buy something sight unseen. What you're describing sounds more like their stretch pay model, where you break your pledge into several payments in case you don't have the cash right then. Long term sign-ups, people buying a year in advance, are all based on an established product, you may not know what new shows Netflix will make, but you know what it is and 99% of its shows and movies over the next year are already available. STL makers all go monthly, a discrete offering that you either accept or don't accept.

Looks great! Do you have your own printer?

So from the miniatures stand point at least, I have a friend who used to be model designer for a US based miniatures company. There was a significant shift in the company after their first successful Kickstarter. Suddenly their entire business strategy shifted to churning out 1-2 Kickstarters every year. It killed the freedom that the artists originally had, and started to mirror the crunch that a lot of game development world has. They're literally spending their days designing the stretch goal minis with their early sketches getting published and the dragged online. I think crowd funding has shifted from a "I have a cool idea, lets see if other people like it" to a "this is our entire business model" and its why crowd funding games has shifted in how its perceived. I mean, do companies like CMON really NEED to crowdfund? And Kickstarter depends on these successful repeat campaigns to make their money too, so they encourage it.

The reason businesses favour the subscription model is specifically to take advantage of peoples poor spending habit and lack of personal financial responsibility. It is explicitly exploitative and we don't need anymore of it in our hobbies. - A Business Major

Excellent video and analysis! I would love to see the “numbers” from the crowd funding sites rather than a writer’s opinion (sorry media writers, your credibility is still poor) - “peak oil” was real too, until it wasn’t- some bitter writer trying to cast shade on the board game industry usually screams of sour grapes

I would like a subscription service for physical minis because it would be good for budgeting (Assuming they don’t miss out part of the range on purpose to get sales as well).

The volume is a bit low. Great video anyway 😊

Patreon, in particular OPR patreon, exists as sort of a magazine subscription. I'm totes cool with paying for a magazine subscription to a thing I like. Also, linking the article in the description would be welcome. CMON is big enough that they don't need kickstarter, as are many of the other players in the games space. Their products are regularly available and released through online stores and LGS. They use it as a pre-order system and to push the side trinkets that don't sell well as individual buys at an LGS. No store wants to stock a single-game playmat that's going to rot on a shelf, so make them available with the game itself and make them to order at the number you need for people that actually want it at time of release. A poorly designed kickstarter that makes it basically impossible to figure out what you're actually getting (looking at you, Dakka Dakka Store) is infinitely more frustrating to use than a normal storefront. FOMO crap that adds little to no value to the game only fuels scalpers. There are genuine ongoing supply chain issues due to political and weather events that trigger delays, practically nobody keeps decoupled stock, and just-in-time practices remain extremely vulnerable to disruption that can ramifications for years on a given market. I also think there's a general fatigue on this sort of thing. Getting a new game with 300 miniatures and a thousand cards is cool... once or twice. Most everyone I know has been burned by an abandoned or underwhelming crowdfunding project by now.

I don't like subscriptions, and given the collapse of companies like Netflix and Disney, I don't think that particular business model will work long term. That said, if you want subscription based wargaming, GW has a 40k magazine that comes with minis and paints that is more or less what you describe. So many game Kickstarter feel unnecessary. I'm not a mini expert, but a DC licensed game from a company that has been operating for a decade. Don't they have enough capital to start production? Kickstarter used to be for upstarts and more out there ideas that might not be viable.

Kind of a tangent but I have not brought games I would have otherwise simply because its missing a bunch of stuff that was 'kickstarter only'. I get giving early backers things like discounts, alternative sculpts or some fancy promo cards etc... just dont lock exta parts of the game or whole expansions behind a one month kickstarter that most of us will not even be aware of is happening

Great content as always

In the 1970s/80s, my mate and I clubbed together to buy a gaming magazine called Strategy and Tactics. The main part of it was a board game; map, counters, and rules. There were supporting history articles too. That is how we learnt.

I hate monthly subscriptions! I love OPR and have subbed to their patreon (and to other mini modelers) for years! I don't know how to reconcile that lol! Seriously, the CMON Cyberpunk 2077 game was stupid expensive, insane shipping... And I bought it all. Last kickstarter I'm ever going to do! I didn't know better at the time!

Amen you hit it on the head

In my opinion I think after so much perceived sucess previously + over the pandemic period, more companies & individuals saw kickstarter as an easy way to get funding & make money; causing an explosion of offerings at very different quality's and value, in adition to encouraging companies to offer less & less for same price. I feel the sheer number of offerings now has people being more hesitant as well, with too much choice to consider & regular new offerings. Fomo and limited options (smaller no. of wargames kickstarters) created, along with popularity of kickstarter in general historically lead to this over saturation, now encouraging people to better consider their choices along with having less disposable income & time. With the right marketing there are still huge wins but many creators are just still assuming they don't need the marketing or offering very little in real terms, with the more cynical companies using kickstarters as little more than an advert for something they were capable of funding themselves & as a way of taking pre-orders. All this puts me off even considering them now.

I would not subscribe to a company that does not deliver a product every time they get my money. It doesn't need to be a complete product at once, but I want to see some part of what I'm paying for every time I pay. Take OPR - I have a monthly subscription and every month I get some models. I don't get the entire range every month, but I get a part of it, and that makes me feel I'm getting my moneys worth without much risk - if Gaetano suddenly decides to run away with the money I will only have lost one month of subscription, instead of six or potentially even a whole year. TL;DR: I like to get stuff every time I pay for it. On the other hand I love if board games sold components as STLs. and printable PDFs, with the option to buy it in pieces, ie. I'll print my own minis, but will buy the game board professionally printed on a nice, hard cardboard.

Thanks for the video.

The same thing happened with TSR back in the 80s. Part of why they wound up in so much debt was because the business side of TSR made a bunch of business ventures that sounded reasonable but weren't. They invested into the hobby community hoping for overlap with the gaming community and while that certainly exist now that overlap wasn't quite there at the time. You also had the problem of executives not focusing on making sure the game itself was high quality. Dice Wizards and Killing the Dragon go into this in far more detail.

Thanks to you and your channel i tried OPR last week end for the first time with my GF (our first wargame) we both love it So thank you keep it up

So how much consultation do you do with the people who commission work? I can see here what you are doing but I was wondering how much input came from the owner?

The Gem Getters - it doesn't matter where those gems are. We will get them

I disagree about finding a game. Where I live at least, GW is the only game in town. There are no other local places to play anything. I'm not exactly rural either. The next town over has some FLGS and clubs, but last time I was there they were limited in what they played. The question about tables. The local GW has about 3-6 (the place has closed down and re-opened a bunch). But they're basically half-sized tables. 2x2, maybe 3x3 I've not measured, and due to the layout of the building, playing a full board would be wider than it is long. Why clubs work in the UK. I think it's a matter of space. I'm kinda jealous when US RUclipsrs go to their "basement" or "garage" or "man cave" and they have a huge 10x10 space (or more) to do whatever they want with. This combines with the previous point, where a kitchen table or a even a coffee table is the only gaming space available. This is why I was interested in those "tiny 40k" videos that shrink heroic scale to 10-15mm scale. On not using d6s. I had a similar idea of just using d8s with no modifications and see how that goes. I've never got to play vanilla OPR, so it would have to be someone else. But I wondered if the higher hit rate on attacks would be countered by higher saves. I like your d12 idea though. Maybe that could be a future battle report?