A few points First of all, obligatory 'first comment' 😂 Second, I'm surprised you decided to go back to the original & not just shop around for some bearings that fit where the plastic rollers are, I did see a video somewhere of someone using PU rollers with bearings inserted, perhaps that would solve the issue Third, hopefully the designer of these sliders sees this video & adjusts his design accordingly so we can easily insert bare bearings in there & not have to use the plastic rings, because that seems to be the only point of failure Fourth, I would also definitely be interested to see these sliders printed with either ABS/ASA or PETG plastic to see how those materials would stand up to the rigors, especially ABS/ASA as it's meant to be a lot more shock resistant Cheers from Australia
Oh, I’m definitely not done with them, I’m just so busy with work I don’t have a lot of time to spend with it and need to ride when I can. It was all I could do to make time to edit this video. Thanks for the comments.
Found your videos today (I have an S22 I'm trying to fix as much as possible before taking it out for actual rides) and ended up watching yours and a few other people's experience with the slider which got me thinking about some materials and companies I used back when I had a job (TLDR I got hurt and nobody needs a technician that can't be a forklift too) that I used to solve some similarly interesting problems. They responded already and I'm looking at what the parts cost using their materials and/or printing services. Igus specializes in "tribological" materials, which is to say, *friction and wear management solutions* and makes 3D printer filaments with their specialty materials as well as tapes of varying width and thickness. Their rep had some ideas and no I'm not an affiliate just an advocate for letting vendors do the work and help you solve problems. I am going through and getting a few quotes from them but I'm not an information or source hoarder and anyone can use them or their products; it's just that most people (like me) are/were surprised to know such things and companies exist and in a few cases were able to create very simple solutions to annoying problems that had been difficult to manage previously. copy/paste (you can delete it if you feel it's too cross promotion-y) Chris Johnson 3:16 PM (4 hours ago) to me Hi Russell, The S22 is an interesting application. It is always interesting to see the enthusiast community comes up with solutions for bad mfg decisions be it a design flaw or a company flat out being cheap. After watching the video and seeing how the suspension works on those sliders, my first thought was to use our 3D print service to essentially make a bearing in a shape that would fit onto or into the sliding mechanism. If you or someone can design a bearing that would fit, we can easily, and cost-effectively print a small batch. Link to 3D print service below. [link deleted because youtube hates links] Chris Johnson Territory Sales Manager Drytech Bearings - Oregon,Southern Idaho & Montana Helpful Igus Resource links: Plastic Bearings Linear Slides Low Cost Robotics
Agreed. I didn't install the protection at first because I wanted to introduce one thing at a time in case I had issues with friction. Honestly, I never rode in mud or anything much more than just dusty conditions.
Yes, I'm not sure any type of material will be better than just a larger diameter bearing. I'm also concerned about the longevity of the inside bit that holds the bearing in place.
Thanks a lot for sharing your experience with these 3d printed sliders. I'm planning to print these for my S22, and I was wondering which material was used to build the rollers, PETG, TPU (or even PLA) ? Maybe that can be a hint on the solution 🤔 Also, are your sliders in HTPLA+, or simple PLA ? Cause they seem to hold up quite well ! Thanks again !
My friend printed it out using the materials and instructions that from the website that shares the files. These can be found in the description of the original video. ruclips.net/video/G8NM6KjRlyI/видео.html
@@DavidRaney sure, I read it entirely and ordered as recommended, but creator gave multiple possiblies for each part, so I wanted to know which one your friend picked, especially for rollers ;) Also, HTPLA+ is a really specific PLA, that's why I wondered if your friend ordered it specifically, or did it with standard PLA
Leaving aside the other fairly obvious inherent design flaws of the S22, isn’t it expecting rather much of the 3D materials utilised for these bearings to stand up to the continuous interactions between rollers and the slider housing? I’m no metallurgist, far less an owner of an S22, but I would’ve thought that the rollers need to be ‘almost’ if not equally as hard as the (alloy?) groove races in which they are expected to perform the ‘magic’ expected of them? Plain metal bearings of a suitable size might indeed work better, on the assumption that they are going to be made of harder material than the alloy groove races, and over time, with the addition of the grit and dirt off the road may eventually become easier and more ‘loose’ than they’d otherwise be when first placed there - thanks, in no small part to one of these aforementioned inherent S22 suspension design flaws?
Thanks for the update. I had a feeling they would be strong, that was minimal usage as well. I'm at 3k km on my s22 those won't last 2 days. I really hope that kingsong does something about this and not release 12 wheels a year like begode. I can say that after I do a maintenance clean on my stock sliders it rides like a dream for about a week then the squeaks start, then I lose travel. I do this around every 800km
Original sliders due to high friction, especially if you like dirty trail rides will just eat metal ftom its aluminium guides. Not the best idea to use them at all.
Looks the Eagle has landed...badly. Stator, charger, sliders, pedals & god knows what else. Worse all we hear from KS is radio silence. 1st their geo locking debacle & now this. V glad I'm on a KS fanboi
Why are people still buying this crappy design wheel, and why no one is bitching to Kingsong about fixing the slide issue?!!? There is absolutely no motivation for kingsong to do anything... But fools keep buying the damn wheel!!! That is no motivation to fix!!!
People are complaining to KingSong. Pretty sure they are aware of their customer dissatisfaction as they announced they will be offering upgrades. They are also aware that people are not happy with how they are handling it and has to be showing up with their sales. As for “fools” buying the wheel, there is not a wheel available that doesn’t have issues and most of them have major issues. Breaking rims, bottoming out crappy air shocks that require more pressure than you can put in it, overheating, outdated before receive it with no available parts, the list is never ending. Someone could probably say the same thing with whatever you ride I suppose.
A few points
First of all, obligatory 'first comment' 😂
Second, I'm surprised you decided to go back to the original & not just shop around for some bearings that fit where the plastic rollers are, I did see a video somewhere of someone using PU rollers with bearings inserted, perhaps that would solve the issue
Third, hopefully the designer of these sliders sees this video & adjusts his design accordingly so we can easily insert bare bearings in there & not have to use the plastic rings, because that seems to be the only point of failure
Fourth, I would also definitely be interested to see these sliders printed with either ABS/ASA or PETG plastic to see how those materials would stand up to the rigors, especially ABS/ASA as it's meant to be a lot more shock resistant
Cheers from Australia
Oh, I’m definitely not done with them, I’m just so busy with work I don’t have a lot of time to spend with it and need to ride when I can. It was all I could do to make time to edit this video. Thanks for the comments.
you just need better print and better material, Mines over 1000km mileage and it still working perfectly.
That is good to know. thanks,
totally agree with your review, I've ordered the CNC ones hope the noise is alot better
Great video, thanks for the info! Looking forward to seeing the new KingSong sliders in the real world.
You and me both!
I'm working on it. I'll have a different design soon.
Awesome
I'll definitely be keeping an eye out.
My suspension is becoming stiffer after only 300 km from new. No mud, just dust.
Keep up the good work :)
Very informative video. Thanks for the follow-up 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Glad it was helpful!
Found your videos today (I have an S22 I'm trying to fix as much as possible before taking it out for actual rides) and ended up watching yours and a few other people's experience with the slider which got me thinking about some materials and companies I used back when I had a job (TLDR I got hurt and nobody needs a technician that can't be a forklift too) that I used to solve some similarly interesting problems.
They responded already and I'm looking at what the parts cost using their materials and/or printing services.
Igus specializes in "tribological" materials, which is to say, *friction and wear management solutions* and makes 3D printer filaments with their specialty materials as well as tapes of varying width and thickness.
Their rep had some ideas and no I'm not an affiliate just an advocate for letting vendors do the work and help you solve problems. I am going through and getting a few quotes from them but I'm not an information or source hoarder and anyone can use them or their products; it's just that most people (like me) are/were surprised to know such things and companies exist and in a few cases were able to create very simple solutions to annoying problems that had been difficult to manage previously.
copy/paste (you can delete it if you feel it's too cross promotion-y)
Chris Johnson
3:16 PM (4 hours ago)
to me
Hi Russell,
The S22 is an interesting application. It is always interesting to see the enthusiast community comes up with solutions for bad mfg decisions be it a design flaw or a company flat out being cheap. After watching the video and seeing how the suspension works on those sliders, my first thought was to use our 3D print service to essentially make a bearing in a shape that would fit onto or into the sliding mechanism. If you or someone can design a bearing that would fit, we can easily, and cost-effectively print a small batch. Link to 3D print service below.
[link deleted because youtube hates links]
Chris Johnson
Territory Sales Manager
Drytech Bearings - Oregon,Southern Idaho & Montana
Helpful Igus Resource links:
Plastic Bearings
Linear Slides
Low Cost Robotics
Kingsong is updating to use what they call a "pulley track". Still waiting on more info.
I wanted to mention something about new offerings from Kingsong in the video but I didn't know enough about what they are doing to comment.
The more movings parts the more stuff to break.
For now I only use dry lub for bicycles on the sliders.
You need to protect them from dirt, either with the scoops from the original design or other 3d printed options like the mini fenders
Agreed. I didn't install the protection at first because I wanted to introduce one thing at a time in case I had issues with friction. Honestly, I never rode in mud or anything much more than just dusty conditions.
Great update👍
I had my doubts. plastic under rolling compression 🤔
I like your idea of just a slightly larger straight bearings in there.
Cheers
Yes, I'm not sure any type of material will be better than just a larger diameter bearing. I'm also concerned about the longevity of the inside bit that holds the bearing in place.
We have 2 V11's with over 3000 miles between the 2 of them and have not had to do any maintenance
Thanks a lot for sharing your experience with these 3d printed sliders. I'm planning to print these for my S22, and I was wondering which material was used to build the rollers, PETG, TPU (or even PLA) ?
Maybe that can be a hint on the solution 🤔
Also, are your sliders in HTPLA+, or simple PLA ? Cause they seem to hold up quite well !
Thanks again !
My friend printed it out using the materials and instructions that from the website that shares the files. These can be found in the description of the original video. ruclips.net/video/G8NM6KjRlyI/видео.html
@@DavidRaney sure, I read it entirely and ordered as recommended, but creator gave multiple possiblies for each part, so I wanted to know which one your friend picked, especially for rollers ;)
Also, HTPLA+ is a really specific PLA, that's why I wondered if your friend ordered it specifically, or did it with standard PLA
I was asked by my good Friend David to print this for him. All parts were printed with DURAMIC 3D PLA Plus (PLA+) at 215 F.
Leaving aside the other fairly obvious inherent design flaws of the S22, isn’t it expecting rather much of the 3D materials utilised for these bearings to stand up to the continuous interactions between rollers and the slider housing? I’m no metallurgist, far less an owner of an S22, but I would’ve thought that the rollers need to be ‘almost’ if not equally as hard as the (alloy?) groove races in which they are expected to perform the ‘magic’ expected of them? Plain metal bearings of a suitable size might indeed work better, on the assumption that they are going to be made of harder material than the alloy groove races, and over time, with the addition of the grit and dirt off the road may eventually become easier and more ‘loose’ than they’d otherwise be when first placed there - thanks, in no small part to one of these aforementioned inherent S22 suspension design flaws?
Instead of using bearings, it might make sense to use PTFE rings.
Igus has 3D printer filament of various tribological and self lubricating materials.
Thanks for the update. I had a feeling they would be strong, that was minimal usage as well. I'm at 3k km on my s22 those won't last 2 days. I really hope that kingsong does something about this and not release 12 wheels a year like begode. I can say that after I do a maintenance clean on my stock sliders it rides like a dream for about a week then the squeaks start, then I lose travel. I do this around every 800km
We have over 400 miles on our sliers. Try larger size or TPU.
Original sliders due to high friction, especially if you like dirty trail rides will just eat metal ftom its aluminium guides. Not the best idea to use them at all.
I’m working on putting more roller sliders in my wheel.
and they want $3k+ for this?!
Looks the Eagle has landed...badly. Stator, charger, sliders, pedals & god knows what else. Worse all we hear from KS is radio silence. 1st their geo locking debacle & now this. V glad I'm on a KS fanboi
There are rollers already on the market, I don't understand why you all are making rollers?!? 23 mm rollers for shower doors...
Why are people still buying this crappy design wheel, and why no one is bitching to Kingsong about fixing the slide issue?!!? There is absolutely no motivation for kingsong to do anything... But fools keep buying the damn wheel!!! That is no motivation to fix!!!
People are complaining to KingSong. Pretty sure they are aware of their customer dissatisfaction as they announced they will be offering upgrades. They are also aware that people are not happy with how they are handling it and has to be showing up with their sales.
As for “fools” buying the wheel, there is not a wheel available that doesn’t have issues and most of them have major issues. Breaking rims, bottoming out crappy air shocks that require more pressure than you can put in it, overheating, outdated before receive it with no available parts, the list is never ending. Someone could probably say the same thing with whatever you ride I suppose.
Whata crap design from Kingsong with that sliders 🤦