Crom & Taranis (Celtic Mythology Documentary)
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- Опубликовано: 22 июл 2022
- Crom Dubh/Cruach is known in folktales relating to Lughnasadh. How does Crom relate to Lughnasadh, and even the thunder god, Taranis? Looking at myth and archaeology the true nature of this god comes to light.
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Crom laughs at your four winds
Woah, if Tom watches this channel, I should too
kek
What is the riddle of FLESH?
At 37:37, you mention the records of the Rus, where may I find these, or reference to them? Please respond.
@@gagishaggi6969 steel isn't strong, flesh is stronger. What is steel compared to the hand that wields it?
What I like most about this is seeing how traditions have come down even if the deity or meaning is altered. It give a constant connection to our ancestors instead of the usual depiction of them and us now. Bravo!
One of the best channels on RUclips. Especially concerning Pagan dieties and the history behind them.
I truly appreciate the indepth analysis of the Pagan dieties of my ancestors. I learn a lot to apply to my pantheon/practice.
Your pronunciations are especially helpful for a Southern man with a heavy accent lol.
#1 why isn't this available as a podcast?
#2 seriously so soothing to listen to.
Excellent video. I liked the emphasis on the connections between Welsh and Irish traditions.
As someone who is both Welsh and Irish, I agree!
I have never prayed to Crom before.
I have no tongue for it.
the information regarding crom is scarce and far inbetween, thank you for putting this together. always look forward to your work and i have since your first few videos.
There's so much similarity among the cosmologies of the Indo-European peoples.
And African and North American Indian cosmologies. I wonder if anyone has written a book compiling the similarities of the three continents?
@Black Lesbian Poet lmao "poetry". ok
@@supernova808 There are connections between the Indo-European peoples. Just accept it.
@Black Lesbian Poet think you need a nother avant garde adjective to not discribe your self.
thanks for adding nothing to the conversation as you peacock through.
@Black Lesbian Poet Cool name.
The Crom Crua stone should be investigated for artifacts. It looks very familiar to me. Possibly a memory from my past life.
It may have Druid artifacts.
Before I was introduced to your videos I thought of Lugh as a knock off apollo hearing more about this God has changed my mind about him and helps me appreciate my Irish ancestry more. So thank you 🙏.
Apollo is a knockoff Rudra.
@@godskingssages4724 who is Rudra, is he another sun god and what makes him better than Apollo. not being a dick just curious do you have any recommended reading on this God.
@@godskingssages4724
That is a very poor reading.
In the Celtic system, Apollo seems to be a secondary, maybe even weaker god in comparison to the others, associated with youth and healing but also reproduction, maybe agriculture (maybe).
You can see him as Belenus.
Rudra, on the other hand, is the older Vedic form of Shiva, a “Lord of Storms”, the destroyer and avenger, who is (very obviously and indisputably) equal in his role to the fury of Lug.
Funny that Crom came up. I just came back from visiting Cross Plains yesterday. The coincidence is pretty funny.
A field of lighting certainly sounds like a place where ships arrive from other dimensions. So fascinating. Thankyou again. I am grateful for your excellent work and voice skills. ❤
I super appreciate all the voices you do, it adds so much
unless you are actually irish... then its all extremely cringeworthy.
The value you are providing.. Thank You!
All this Crom talk is making me want to watch Conan The Barbarian again
лучше почитать книги Роберта Говарда о Конане из Киммерии....хотя фильм 1982 очень хороший в некоторых аспектах
Bro, that was most excellent! Especially liked the links to Greeks and Phoenicians. I think Balor is Ba’al, Lug is don of Ba’al… thus, the pantheon of Irish heros is a mix PIE and phoenicians… who were canaanites from Gobelki Tepe…
By Crom! This should be good.
The Bull was also the top animal to be sacrificed by Iron Age Galicians. Consecrating it to Reue, their highest god.
If you accept a small friendly advice from me, it would be this: when you pronounce certain Irish and Welsh names or placenames it would be helpful to see them written on the screen, to identify them better and even look for more info.
Thanks for your work anyway
It was very fascinating I love hearing the connections to other lore.Thank you for the information .
You should write a book on the Celtic Gods.
I'm working on it
@@FortressofLugh CAN'T WAIT TO READ IT
@@FortressofLugh Done yet?🍻
No rush....just hurry up!
Thank you for answering my question from a few months ago.
Warm greetings to you Kevin. Again a most delightful and mesmerizing occasion to watch your beautiful video. Thank you 🌹🌹🌹
Great videos! the best of them.
14:54 ❤Everything is so GREEN...I wonder what it looks like in winter❤...I can almost smell the air❤ I absolutely love the green luscious vibrant land. It makes me happy.❤ Green is my favorite color😊
i really appreciate your celtic mythological videos, it really helps this pervasive sense of alienation i have.been trying to understand my cultural/genetic lineage since highschool, im from a old circus family and have it traced 9 generations back to Ireland originally but grandparents(both grandfathers from switzerland, 1 grandma from north italy, one grandma from budapest hungary) all from the areas from where the hallstatt culture inhabited.
While tracing back family-trees in very nice for personal use, and closer family relationship, it's a hudge timespan from "Halstatt population" to todays european population. People moved around lot at all moment, and there was lot migrations and exchange since then.
Thank you for this video, it was fascinating!😊
I am happy to hear you cover this. There is a stark lack of knkwledge about the original Crom.
Another excellent video
thank you so much for this!
0:20 what a beautiful sceneries.... Our planet is really blessed with so many pretty places. I just wish to God maybe someday I can visit it.
Oh my, I simply must buy into the Patreon one day in order to fund some French pronunciations! (Good natured tease)
Thanks for the video, wonderful stuff.
Very good story teller I like his voice, great documentary
great content
When you realize that Asterix was more accurate than most History channels documentaries.
Shearer - the pen company , for its centennial made a pen line called Taranis.
Crom laughs at your four winds!
Fortress of Lugh (algorithm food) Thank you for your great content, I sub, like and enthusiastically share with confidence in your product 🤟🍻
It would be nice to see a specific documentary on the Gundestrup cauldron and its iconography.
It's very well done! 💯
Fortress of Lugh; Where can I find more on the "Ritual Mace from Britain" mentioned at 52:28?
I’ve also not heard of this artefact until now.
I too would like to hear more about it.
Love your in depth videos, however would differ on your equation of Lugh with Taranis. I think they fulfill the same function but are different personages. The linguistic analog between Taranis and Tuirean is to strong to be discounted. Given the theme of conflict between Lugh and Tuirean and his sons in Gaelic myth, perhaps Lugh was understood to have superseded and displaced Tuirean from his summer harvest function.
Yeah Lugh seems to fulfill more of a Thor or Tyr type role in Irish mythology, as Taranis seems to be the more of the Brythonic and continental Sky father, more akin to Zeus.
Fortress of Lugh explains in a different video that the etymology of Tuireann, while it initially seemed superficially similar, is actually a deceptive link which in fact demonstrates it in reality comes from a different word.
So, Tuireann does not equal Taranis.
Fortress of Lugh also demonstrates VERY convincingly that Lug really is the Celtic Storm God, you should watch his video on this it makes things much clearer.
As for the Sky Father, it is clear this role is played by the Dagda, with his partner the Morrigan as the Earth Mother, and, as is actually the normal system in PIE belief, the Sky Father is usually not the chief god but the storm god is.
The Sky Father is normally a glutton figure as well (you can see this in Chronos), with the chief god being someone who unleashes and liberates trapped forces (ZEUS).
It’s interesting to see how Thor has retained that glutton characteristic but people seem to think of him as younger than the Odin character these days (who may have himself been influenced by the Celtic Lug).
@@thegreenmage6956it's a false cognate. Sounds similar but has a completely different meaning.
In 1991 I got to run with the bulls in Uzés, France, which is a village that celebrated the grape harvest with a bull sacrifice (unofficially).
It's a favorite memory. The bulls were run singly and in groups down Main Street, dodging cars, fountains, and sidewalk seating cafés after the corral games. The old men lifted me upon their shoulders and dubbed me "Hemingway" after my finding myself grasping a bull by the base of the tail at full sprint... The poop caused my grasp slip down the tail but the tuft gave purchase like the pommel of a sword. It must have hurt, because he began to slow and buck like a rodeo specialist.
Some force must have possessed me. I bounced over his back and grasped each horn. When my feet hit pavement I continued my fall into a roll that twisted the horns and head and flipped the bull. I knelt pinning the head with all of my strength while others jumped in to help pin him. The poor thing. I was on automatic pilot.
The old guys got me good that night, describing how Pastis is drank straight shooting it out of full highball glasses. It took only one. The Toro was fresh that night.
Beautiful prose!
What book did you get this out of ?
@@chriscutty9172 True story. There was video, too. VHS! Long gone, probably.
@@jeremiahshine just jiving with ya. Sounds like something I would have wanted to be apart of. Except for the sacrifice. I'm good on that
@@chriscutty9172 The "sacrifice" was a butcher and a BBQ and a huge stew...with Beaujolais nouveau.
Also explain the three horned bull, i know it shows up in irish mythology but it's symbolism isn't explained. Also the five horned bull.
Does anyone know the name of the song that was playing in the background starting at 3:40?
Стабильно раз в день прослушиваю шедевр Бэйзила Поледуриса "Anvil of Crom"...самое любимое музыкальное произведение из всех лично у меня.
Everyone thinks about the word crom be the God from Conan the barbarian
I've heard you speak Gaeilge before and you were quite good. So, is this the true pronunciation of Lúnasa?
Lúnasa, Lughnasa in older spelling, has the stress on the first syllable. In modern Irish it is the word for the month of August. Beir bua!
I just had a weird thought. Doubt you'll ever read this but what do you consider about the game of darts?
Seeing as how lughs weapon is the dart, or throwing spear, and a dartboard is just a bastardized wheel.
Could be coincidence as I am very stoned right now.
Fuck yea dude.
Mr. Kevin, after listening to this, the whole relationship of Cían and Lugh is, still, quite confusing. Was Cían the OG thunder god of the irish, was it Lugh? Were Cían and Lugh the same god in the past? Or are you planning on making a video about Cían? Still, the video is beautiful.
Lia Fáil, Kerman Kelstach, and Crom Cruach/Dubh gilded oracle stones form right triangle 90° corner at Crom Cruach. Crom is Cromus-Cronus i.e. Saturnus; Saturnus is Black Sun; Black is Dubh; thus Crom Dubh.
Slecht is slaughter and cognate with German Schlecht, interesting! Awesome video.
Lughnasadh is also known as Lammas (Loaf Mass Day) and is normally celebrated on August 1st.
Lammas is my Oath/Recognition Day.
So dear to my ❤.
Now I can properly pronounce Lughnasadh.
Thank you for this wonderful video!
Just in time!
Happy Lughnasadh! ☘🗿🍀
Lammas bread :-)
@@OldNavajoTricks Yah, most have forgotten about that! Lammas bread may have been Tolkien's inspiration for "Lembas bread" in the Lord of the Rings books. Lammas - Lembas - lots of similarities there.
@@random2829 Yeah, I might be showing my age there lol bit I remember as a kid we used to make little loaves/rolls at school and we gave them to neighbours and friends etc, kind of a 'You are important to us' gesture if I recall correctly. 👍
Captivating brilliant elegant 🔥🏁😎❤
That's interesting about the story of child sacrifice to Crom. It sounds very similar to the first-born child sacrifices to Moloch by early Canaanite tribes in the Levant such as the pre-monotheistic Hebrew tribes and tribes like the Moabites, etc. Myths such as Abraham's seemingly ease to sacrificing his son to Yahweh, seems to give some credence that these things did happen in their real life at some point. Great video, thank you.
his pronunciation is actually really good
Interesting that Crom is leaning, and Cronos has a cane/limp
"Valor pleases you, Crom."
So the snakes in the Saint Patrick story. . .
They were actually the Druids correct?
It is more likely related to defeating bad spirits
Yeah
History's Mysteries.... I was told the same, that the snakes 🐍 driven from Ireland were Druids & Celtic paganism as the prevailing religion/mythos became Christianity after St Patrick.
Is the god lugus the same as lugh?
It is tough to say. There are a few inscriptions to Lugus in Iberia, but nothing which tells us how the god was imagined. Some attempted translations of a dedication to Lugus indicate a connection to a first fruits summer festival. Other than that, nothing. What survives mostly are hilltop sites named using Lugus constructions, like Lugdunum (Fortress of Lug), or Luguvallium (Lugus Strength). These sites indicate a royal importance linked to a militaristic identity. Some French archeologist note a connection between finds of the wheel god depictions and sites named using Lugus. The main question is what meaning the name had in these constructions. In Old Irish, Lug is sometimes used as a common noun, meaning champion, warrior, hero.
We also cannot overlooked the possibility of ancestor worship. It could be that because many tribes traced their decent from a king named Lug or Lugaid, that this king takes on the nature of the god. Trying to puzzle out the name is basically a dead end. What instead we should do is look at his overall character in surviving sources and see how they correspond to other evidence. That is what I have been trying to do, but it requires breaking with the orthodox position that he is somehow equivalent to Mercury. I have struggled for years with this and it just doesn't work.
@@FortressofLugh thanks man,I appreciate it
But Conan was from Cimmeria, which is on the east shore of the Black Sea.
Yes, but Conan is... fiction.
Where does the whole giant worm/snake thing come from then?
Could you go into the Holed Stones more? I cant quite grasp what they mean. Seemingly they are sort of like crosses, they are a representation of the "law" god breaking through the unbreakable, or perhaps a more proper term would be "justice" god. Lugh seems to be more justice oriented as opposed to law like nuada, Lugh is flexible while nuada is rigid, this is why lugh has deceptive qualities, to defeat other deceivers. additionally the holed stones show up in the bronze age as serpent eggs, which I figured had a connection to lugh because of their association with legal trials but couldn't find the "bridge". this video actually solved that with the quotation about formorians being serpents because it does the one thing I knew but couldn't prove, provides lugh with a serpent aspect which would help relate to the bronze age serpent eggs. Do you think the omnipresent torc is meant to be a representation of "holed stones" or does it represent the sun, or a artificial serpent manufactured to assist civilization/society, the Gundestrup cauldron clearly links the serpent and torc as parallels.
also what do you think of Abhartagh the "Vampire" and it's influence on Dracula?
I made a video called holy holes on holed stones and associated rituals
Lugh is Odin, performing miracles with one eye closed. One of Odin’s names is Thunder. He was a storm god, who passed the inheritance of that power onto his son, Thor. The question here is this: is Crom actually Thor ( Tiranis ) or is he Odin ( Lugh ), remembering his older aspects? This video definitely points out connections to both gods. Is it possible that the two got blended together over the passing of time?
So Crom is Perhaps Taranis or Lugh?
Love your videos; waiting for one on Dionysus, & theatrical drama & "states"...
ruclips.net/video/FAkLTWQUbG8/видео.html
I sure wish on videos like these, an introduction more conducive to those of us totally unfamiliar with these indigenous European gods, & what date your quotations are from. I realize it may fall into place after an hour, but as a beginner, I need more general information right off the bat, who worships these gods, when, & where; otherwise, I am completely miffed.
Thank you again!
He is strong. If I die I have to go before him, and he will ask me "What is the riddle of steel?"
So lugh and taranis are actually the same entity ?
It looks like it.
When you realize that Conan the Barbarian according to Robert E Howard is actually a Proto-Gael and his people are the ancestors of the Gaels, and that the Movie Conan the Barbarian is a Celtic Pagan Film
So is Crom Lugh?
Being introduced to Germanic mythology/paganism first seems to complicate things when learning about other Indo-European traditions. The fact that the High One Odin is not the thunder god makes Germanic religion the odd one out. I always thought Lugh was comparable to Odin and while he is in many aspects it seems like Thor would normally be comparable to Cú Chulainn or Heracles but has taken some power from the sky god at some point and became the thunderer. I'm left with a few questions after the video. Are Lugh, Taranis, Zeus, Jupiter, Perun, Ukko, and Indra essentially the same figure while Odin appears to have more differences to the rest of them? Why or when did Germanic religion split the chief god from the sky god/the thunderer? Also, unrelated to the rest of the questions, do other Indo-European traditions have something similar to berserkers in the Germanic faith? I am aware of Cú Chulainn/Heracles exhibiting some of those traits but not of any stories of mortals entering a battle frenzy. I know some Roman commanders would wear a bear skin hood/cloak and Heracles had a lion's skin. Are these related to battle frenzy traditions?
Odin ≠ king god. He's a much more complex figure
@@Amfortas Right. Germanic seems different than the others and they don't seem to have a thunderer god king.
Wasn't Thor a thunder God? Also the Irish or Celt God with parallels to Odin would be Dagda... the all father God.
@@jeffreypetro3803 Thor isn't the chief deity/sovereign though like Zeus or Perun.
@@brandonm9378 Thor's father Odin is chief, the All Father, but Thor with hammer is the Thunder God. Just like Apollo is the Sun God, but isn't the chief or highest God, his father is...
Kian is badass...
Thank you. You perhaps already know but in. Case you don't all the stones are shiva lingams. Male members. Representing fertility. Also shiva certainly was the warrior sun god of the most ancient Indo Aryans from about 1000 BC. Tara is...Tara means star being. As in Green Tara of Tibet. Also a goddess of fertility of the land. Tara is certainly connected to a mountain where people arrive from th stars. Beautiful work
What is best in life
"I will not curse him until he opposes me" - said every church leader ever. Just another form of power and control.
Of course he could be 'dark'. The Western hunter gatherers, like Cheddar Man, were dark and blue eyed. It's where the Celtic name 'Duff' comes from.
What god equates ođinn?,is it lugh or cu chulain?
Lugh
Various Gods in the Celtic sphere are equivalent to Odin.
that's a bad way of thinking about it. no gods are cognate, at least not in that sense. like how Odin is very different than Zeus, despite the fact that they're both "father" deities.
@@supernova808 they mean which is analogous. Most do have an indo European link.
Dagda
dude. 7 days and 7 nights is refereed to the moon calendar. not the sun.
In the opening four mins, a mention of the head of the gods surrounded by 12 Gods is simple to me, obviously different runic fonts not recognised would be considered a God to learn, I think they refer to letters & numbers as Gods, so someone who could see the future would be desribing a clock.
Hebrew history tells of stories and meanings for each letter and number. Are you saying something like that or do you mean each rune was an actual God? This is very interesting, thanks.
@@tjj1977tjj each character of a language represents something, in certain cases as in science, the different symbols represent different powers/functions. Many ancient people had a fascination with black glass(obsidian) which I would shows the knowledge of smartphones/tablets.
Could be many things such as the 12 months of the year or a solar wheel.
You never mentioned Arianrhod, or the rape or the war that ensued.
He did mention her though.
Cruach, I believe, is the only God directly attested to the Picts as their chief deity, direct ancestor & sun God & I read somewhere (don't know if it's true, or not) that the last Pictish leaders relocated from Scotland to Ireland, in the end. So, its possible that Crom Cruach isn't even a Celtic god, but a Pictish one. Albeit, while the Picts weren't Celtic, everything I've read points to the fact that they had merged with Brythonic Celts & took on their religion. If they were related to the Basques & the theory that Picts, Basques & Illyrians were all remnants of Stone Age European groups who had become seperated from one another by vast distances & diverged into wildly different cultures, then their considering a sun God to be their most important deity would definitely be a remnant from that original culture, as the Basque religion pays heavy homage to two gods of earth & sun & the Illyrians' chief deity was also a sun God. But, they easily could have just used a pre-existing Celtic sun God, too.
Actually, a lot of this stuff is tracking. They believe the Picts were the descendants of the megalithic builders of places like stonehenge. The Basque goddess & counterpart to the sun God is also described as being related to fire & the priests would meet with those two gods every seven days for regular meetings, one of which was to plan that week's weather. Bulls may have also had something to do with their religious beliefs, but it's hard to know precisely what. Basque mythology talks about a red bull figure & people turning into bulls & the Picts were likely also the descendants of the people in Britain making the stone bull's head shaped burial barrows.
And, the Basques & Illyrians both depict the sun God in the form of a snake, with the Illyrians referring to this depiction as "draconis."
Dua reminds me of Duat
I am having a hard time sorting the truth from the christian lies. Where would you recommend I start?
So Crom is =Lugh=Taranis?
That's also my question but I guess that's the point
@51:25 - do you see what I'm seeing in this monument? Forget the jockey, this little love fest has a GeeGee gettin' jiggy with a dino ho! Bizarre yet true.
See Genesis for details
Проклятье Крома...
Turin? I eonfr if this is where Tolkien fot his Turin from andthe fate of Turin'schildren in the Silmarillion.
Crom.. Grant me revenge!
Couldn't do the mucky accents, sorry.
"Jungian archetypes are defined as images and themes that derive from the collective unconscious, as proposed by Carl Jung. Archetypes have universal meanings across cultures and may show up in dreams, literature, art or religion."...Jung.... check him out....
The archetypical school is not a valid school of thought because it posits that the gods are merely figments of our imagination. Which the ancients viewed them as divine forces of the cosmos, not the aforementioned.
@@egillivaldason7238 ...
Meh...*shrugs shoulders* "To each their own..."
Conan..what is best in life?
Ag lorg áit lena mbuaileann an fharraige leis an spéar atá mé
Ag lorg tobar a tinte óna lastar ár saol atá mé
Ag iarraidh fás agus forbairt a chothú ar an saol atá mé
Agus cúiseanna ceiliúradh a chur chun cinn timpeall orm atá mé
Tóg é go bog é, lig don solas teacht isteach i do sha
В русском языке можно отыскать слово "Кром". Оно относится к чему-то скрытому и таинственному, твердому, крепкому, одиноко стоящему на вершине горы/холма.
Not many people understand what you're doing but I do. There's great power in having your voice emanating from speakers all over the world when you are reciting. You know the Gods you speak of have returned and you are here to assist them. Once you give yourself to one of them, you are theirs forever. Even Aleister Crowley was perplexed when he died.
Returned? Did they go away?
@@kellysouter4381 They were banished to other realms and could no longer access this one but that is no longer the case thanks to some good old particle smashing over at Cern. I would also direct your attention to over 100 Sarcophagus unearthed in Egypt approximately 2 years ago. These were some very important Egyptian nobility and the timing of the discovery is quite astounding to say the least.
The druids are known for being brutal human sacrifice practitioners, but you have excuses fir them in this instance
All Gods of mythology were men from a previous civilization omitted from history! All mythology has a basis of truth.
Krom is noah
Nice, but WTF 's got Stonehenge got to do with this?! This site is proven pre-Celtic and should not be brought into account when adressing Celtic mythology.
That is an anti-Celtic myth and a piece of bad propaganda;
- archaeological evidence PROOVES the Celts were feasting at Stonehenge and they used the site
- the earliest stones were placed by pre-Europeans but the Bronze Age Europeans who were the ancestors of the Celts placed the bigger stones afterwards
- Stonehenge represents a fusion of Neolithic and Bronze Age cultures as the pre-European and Proto-Indo-European comes together, so it is definitely relevant and essential to a reading of ancient Celtic spirituality in Britain.
clonmacnoiise - as it is roman anglisicised = emans the family or lands of the sons of jesus .... the pope visited it and the british dublin governemnt stole the sacred high crosses from there ...
TARANIS , TARA , TAARAPITA , THOR …..
And dubh meaning black and said like dove