Hey Dave really enjoy watching your programs just wanted to tell you about the hammer 101 grain bullet they are extremely good bullet I use them in my 25-06 and my 275 WBY as well I have even tried them in my 25SAUM and my 25PRC even at high speed 3600 + FPS they do a good job I have taken pronghorn, whitetail, mule deer black bear and 3 bull elk all ended within 50yrds keep up the awesome content God-bless you and your family and God bless America
I like the good old standards - IMR 4350, 4831 and H-4831. It is no trick to hit 3300 with H-4831 with safe manual listed loads. Using the 100 Nos BT in my Rem 700 classic I averaged 3325 with sub one inch 5 shot groups at 100.
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 I have been loading my own for over 40 years now, so do have some experience with both old and new. Take a look at some of the new IMR powders listed on Hodgdon't site in the loading data section (free to use). There are some new powders in there that really make the 25-06 and many other rounds really smoke!
Yes accuracy is important, but out West, speed translates to flatter shooting and energy. The velocity should match the bullet makers tested cartridge results for your choice of and the size of the intended game.
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 my experience is that the velocity data of ammo and bullet makers is exaggerated. So don't be surprised if your loads can't reach those velocity levels or are less than ideally accurate if they do. An extra 150 FPS will not get you meaningful additional range and the game will never know the difference. Good luck during hunting season but you have a nice rig perfectly suited for long range deer hunting so you should have no problem harvesting your buck with whichever load you choose.
I was real interested in the extreme spread with the superformance. I tried it in 30 06 and got the same type of spread. I'm glad to know that it wasn't just me.
Dave, had to go back to this video. I just bought a Weatherby Vanguard in 25-06. I can't wait to get it out and maybe even hunt with it this year. I also have some RL-16 and Superformance in my stock and some 100 grain Partitions on the way (factory seconds).
I love your videos! I especially love the ones with 25-06 because its my favorite caliber! I dont hand load/reload but i might one day. Who knows? Thanks for the videos! You're a great rifleman!
Glad you got to visit our great state. It is unusual to see Elk in the open this time of year. Archery season has been open for a month now and rifle season starting soon too.
Just got my bolt back from Outkast Arms for my Forbes 24B. Replaced the ejector. Going to try RL17 with some old 100gr Solid Base bullets that I've scored at gunshows lately. The precursor to the Ballistic Tip. Dang those coyotes! 😡 Nice win for the Broncos yesterday. Should move them up in the T25. Thanks, Dave!
Broncos lost to Oregon 2 weeks ago by 3 pts. at Oregon. BSU needs to beat scheduled Oregon State and sweep the league, then needs Oregon to win the rest of their games. Hope the new PAC 10 will lure Stanford and Cal. Berkley back to the league.
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 yaaa....not sure if I like all this jockeying around of teams. We now have Big10 teams from the west coast to the east coast. More like the Big20 now. Oh, well, can't do anything about it. 🏀 's same dang thing.
@@luvtahandload7692 At least Ole Notre Dame Football will always remain the last of the Independents. Because they play the equivalent of a BOWL Game every week. HaHa! TV money equals $20 million per home game.
According to what Hornady, bryan litz, and hodgdon have said.... pressure equals velocity. so, when looking at their load data, the max velocity shown in the manual is where max pressure is at, not necessarily the powder charge weight. so you may be using the max listed charge and not getting the max velocity. That's most likely because you're not at maximum pressure. so, in your case, you may be able to just add some powder and get the velocities you want, dont you think? Or no? if you haven't, you should listen to bryan litz's #61 or #62 podcast about the effects of humidity on powder. It's quite interesting and eye-opening. the aforementioned podcast and his other podcast about barrel break-in and life cycle shed some light on the discrepancies we see in bullet velocity.
I have only gone over suggested powder maximum, using the bullet manufactures load data, when other resources have max load discrepancies with specific powders. Case inspection and chronograph precision numbers, as well as point of impact (groups) dictate whether results are satisfactory. I rely almost exclusively on my one rifle at a time, one testing procedure at a time, for my own validations. It may not be as scientific, or empirical evidence as the sources that you mention, but it works for me and I share the results here, ie: good and bad. Environmental conditions are beyond my control, therefore not a primary consideration. Thanks for your well informed information here and for watching.
The 100gn Nosler BTip has been around close on 40 years. Puzzled by the comments of it being around 3-4 years. Have a long history with it and it always shot well and is better than ever. The 100gn Barnes TTSX is likely the premium bullet in demonstrating the cartridges' capabilities.
The 100 grain .25 cal. Nosler BT. has not been available to purchase and in scarce supply for nearly 4 years. Like many other projectiles have been in short supply for the last few years.
Sometimes primer choice is just as important as powder choice. In my 6x47L Varget with a magnum primer is magic, but I use small primer brass. It would be an interesting test.
Great info Dave. My two favorite hunting rifles currently are the 6.5 Grendel in an AR platform and 25-06. I'm a large fan of the 25-06. Not near as popular as it once was.
Great video. 25/06 is an overlooked cartridge. I have 3 of them each for different applications. 2 of them love IMR4350 and the other one loves IMR4831. Ive tried other powders just cant get the precision on paper for the accuracy Im looking for.
25-06 The first son of the GOAT. H100V or Supreme 780 always delivered both speed and accuracy in my experiences with .243,25-06. Supreme 780 not around anymore, but I still have a lb.
RL16 gives good velocity and excellent SD in my 270 Win with the Barnes 130 grain TTSX. 3050 FPS and SD under 10. Going to be my hunting load this year. I will add that my rifle shoots better after I take the Magnetospeed off. Additionally, I never seem to get good SD with any ball powder.
Heavier bullets tend to be more accurate for .25-06. I don't reload, but various 100gr and 117gr rounds all give me near MOA accuracy at 100yards, but 120gr gives me a ragged hole. Speed is nice, but it definitely isn't everything. If you want ideal accuracy with high-speed 100gr bullets, you may need a custom barrel with an odd twist rate.
My 25-06 likes 52.0 RL16 with Barnes 100 ttsx. Gets 3250fps and well under an inch at 100 yards. No pressure signs. You could probably bump up your powder charge a grain
The 25-06 is a fine western caliber, BUT...I'd keep trying diff powders....My 60 year old 6mm Rem Model 700 BDL is a .3-/.5 MOA Muley Whacker with 4831 pushing out a 100gr spire pt. at a fraction over 3200 fps...weighs right around 7.8 lbs. with the 3-9 Redfield I put on it 60 years ago :) And, though at the moment I don't recall ever taking a second shot at anything but paper ;), on a Good day, from the bench, more often than not it will still print a 3 round group that you can cover with a dime at a hundred. AND, I don't need a recoil pad for anything other than stretching my length of pull a bit. Btw, I've ALWAYS reloaded for this rifle. Otoh, I've known friends now passed, who used the 25-06 to take everything up to Bull Elk, but seems to me they were using round nose bullets a lot heavier than 100gr. Has the .25 bullet market leaned out? One last thing, doesn't the weight of your chrono hanging out there on the barrel affect your accuracy? Browning used to produce barrels with an adjustable weight at the end for the exact reason of tuning the harmonics to maximize accuracy. My BDL is bedded to the stock, and I had to work up my reloads to get it where it is now. Having said all that, your last reloader group is certainly nothing to scoff at , you can obviously SHOOT :) Good vid. 👍
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 Dave, sorry I got so wordy, I just hope you and your readers found some value in it. On the other hand, you put up a very good vid. Most shooters just eat what they're force fed by the industry, but, as you point out, there's a whole new world of performance out there that awaits the reloader. Plus, It's damned fun to boot :) btw, I''ve seen a 25-06 lay out a Royal with a single round. Impressed the hell out of me.👍
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 Its gonna be a while. They struk me again and seeing as I did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG...and you know how that goes. Ill be totally gone very soon. Ill be only on Rumble...
Looks like the bolt overrides the cartridge almost every time. A new magazine spring may be needed?? Or you could try to stretch it a bit. That kind of stuff does not fly in any of my hunting rifles. Looks like your rifle shoots pretty good though. That is always a plus!!!
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 we are peers for sure! I'm 66 yrs & have been loading since I was 17 yrs old! Wow we've come a LONG WAY SINCE THE 1970'S!!
I was wondering if a magnum primer might help the ball powder superformance. They tend to be harder to get good ignition on. It might tighten up the sd. It’s a thought. I have used those noslers and they have worked well for me in that cartridge. Happy shooting and good luck.
accuracy first anyday speed is nice and crucial for kinetic energy and bullet performance but is an animal any deader at 3170 compared to 33?? Also a guy needs to remember the numbers a company boasts are never going to be what you achieve ! your chrono may read a bit slower and possibly even faster speeds ! the variants between where they collected their data for their marketing numbers and the elevation, humidity, air density, wind , rifle , brass primer , neck tension so many variables that make it impossible to match advertised marketing numbers . It becomes a fine balance of speed and accuracy a notch or two back from max pressure. I admit I do not know everything ,I have only been reloading 47 years on my own but started helping and watching and learning 50 years ago at age 13 . btw I like your rifle the 25-06 is a sweet round ! good hunting !!
Agree, but it is always a challenge to match or exceed published numbers without excess pressure signs, good precision, proper bullet construction and eventually accuracy. Thanks for your valued comment here.
Also… Dave’s hobby is obviously more than hunting. All those shots would be acceptable to someone who is strictly a Hunter, but to someone who enjoys reloading his own cartridges the tweaking to the exact fps is important too. Thanks for the video Dave!
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Hey Dave really enjoy watching your programs just wanted to tell you about the hammer 101 grain bullet they are extremely good bullet I use them in my 25-06 and my 275 WBY as well I have even tried them in my 25SAUM and my 25PRC even at high speed 3600 + FPS they do a good job I have taken pronghorn, whitetail, mule deer black bear and 3 bull elk all ended within 50yrds keep up the awesome content God-bless you and your family and God bless America
Allot of folks have suggested Hammer bullets. Thanks for your input here and for watching.
I like the good old standards - IMR 4350, 4831 and H-4831. It is no trick to hit 3300 with H-4831 with safe manual listed loads. Using the 100 Nos BT in my Rem 700 classic I averaged 3325 with sub one inch 5 shot groups at 100.
Sounds like you know your powders well. Thanks for watching.
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 I have been loading my own for over 40 years now, so do have some experience with both old and new. Take a look at some of the new IMR powders listed on Hodgdon't site in the loading data section (free to use). There are some new powders in there that really make the 25-06 and many other rounds really smoke!
I'd go with accuracy over speed. An extra 150 FPS will no matter in the field. Thanks for the video and good luck hunting.
Yes accuracy is important, but out West, speed translates to flatter shooting and energy. The velocity should match the bullet makers tested cartridge results for your choice of and the size of the intended game.
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 my experience is that the velocity data of ammo and bullet makers is exaggerated. So don't be surprised if your loads can't reach those velocity levels or are less than ideally accurate if they do. An extra 150 FPS will not get you meaningful additional range and the game will never know the difference. Good luck during hunting season but you have a nice rig perfectly suited for long range deer hunting so you should have no problem harvesting your buck with whichever load you choose.
It sure will if you have to stretch out beyond 400.
@@TODinWY Nobody has any business shooting at game past 400 yards. It is not ethical hunting.
@PassivePortfolios your absolutely right 300yds or less
I was real interested in the extreme spread with the superformance. I tried it in 30 06 and got the same type of spread. I'm glad to know that it wasn't just me.
It is a fun but finicky powder. Thanks for watching.
Dave. Another good and interesting video. As always very nice shooting. Thanks for sharing and take care.
Thanks for the kind words here and for watching.
Excellent choice in that 25-06. Thanks for the video..
Thanks for watching and commenting here.
Dave, had to go back to this video. I just bought a Weatherby Vanguard in 25-06. I can't wait to get it out and maybe even hunt with it this year. I also have some RL-16 and Superformance in my stock and some 100 grain Partitions on the way (factory seconds).
Best wishes for you with your new rifle.
i also just got a vanguard 25-06, cant wait to get it out!
@@nathanielmatzeo5274 Best wishes to you with your new rifle.
I love your videos! I especially love the ones with 25-06 because its my favorite caliber! I dont hand load/reload
but i might one day. Who knows? Thanks for the videos! You're a great rifleman!
Thanks for your kind words here and for watching.
That's a nice group there Dave I love my 25-06 also it is the 6.5 creedmore of the 60s and 70s
That is a good comparison indeed. Thanks for watching
Great video Dave. Thanks….
Thanks for watching and commenting here.
I was in Idaho about a week ago and saw three different herds of Elk. I love going there.
Glad you got to visit our great state. It is unusual to see Elk in the open this time of year. Archery season has been open for a month now and rifle season starting soon too.
Superformance is 39 a pound and the Reloader powders are around 70 a pound locally. I’ve been using Superformance in the 243 and 6.5 Creedmoor
Thanks for your comment here and for watching.
Just got my bolt back from Outkast Arms for my Forbes 24B. Replaced the ejector. Going to try RL17 with some old 100gr Solid Base bullets that I've scored at gunshows lately. The precursor to the Ballistic Tip. Dang those coyotes! 😡
Nice win for the Broncos yesterday. Should move them up in the T25.
Thanks, Dave!
Broncos lost to Oregon 2 weeks ago by 3 pts. at Oregon. BSU needs to beat scheduled Oregon State and sweep the league, then needs Oregon to win the rest of their games. Hope the new PAC 10 will lure Stanford and Cal. Berkley back to the league.
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 yaaa....not sure if I like all this jockeying around of teams. We now have Big10 teams from the west coast to the east coast. More like the Big20 now. Oh, well, can't do anything about it. 🏀 's same dang thing.
@@luvtahandload7692 At least Ole Notre Dame Football will always remain the last of the Independents. Because they play the equivalent of a BOWL Game every week. HaHa! TV money equals $20 million per home game.
According to what Hornady, bryan litz, and hodgdon have said.... pressure equals velocity. so, when looking at their load data, the max velocity shown in the manual is where max pressure is at, not necessarily the powder charge weight. so you may be using the max listed charge and not getting the max velocity. That's most likely because you're not at maximum pressure. so, in your case, you may be able to just add some powder and get the velocities you want, dont you think? Or no?
if you haven't, you should listen to bryan litz's #61 or #62 podcast about the effects of humidity on powder. It's quite interesting and eye-opening. the aforementioned podcast and his other podcast about barrel break-in and life cycle shed some light on the discrepancies we see in bullet velocity.
I have only gone over suggested powder maximum, using the bullet manufactures load data, when other resources have max load discrepancies with specific powders. Case inspection and chronograph precision numbers, as well as point of impact (groups) dictate whether results are satisfactory. I rely almost exclusively on my one rifle at a time, one testing procedure at a time, for my own validations. It may not be as scientific, or empirical evidence as the sources that you mention, but it works for me and I share the results here, ie: good and bad. Environmental conditions are beyond my control, therefore not a primary consideration. Thanks for your well informed information here and for watching.
Nice. That last group with RL16 looked pretty nice!
Thanks Dennis.
The 100gn Nosler BTip has been around close on 40 years. Puzzled by the comments of it being around 3-4 years.
Have a long history with it and it always shot well and is better than ever.
The 100gn Barnes TTSX is likely the premium bullet in demonstrating the cartridges' capabilities.
The 100 grain .25 cal. Nosler BT. has not been available to purchase and in scarce supply for nearly 4 years. Like many other projectiles have been in short supply for the last few years.
Sometimes primer choice is just as important as powder choice. In my 6x47L Varget with a magnum primer is magic, but I use small primer brass. It would be an interesting test.
Thanks for sharing and for watching.
Great info Dave. My two favorite hunting rifles currently are the 6.5 Grendel in an AR platform and 25-06. I'm a large fan of the 25-06. Not near as popular as it once was.
I am guessing the next cartridge development will be a 25 Creedmoor. HaHa.
I looked and magnum,magpro,RL22 & 19 and Retumbo all come up as top speed producers.
Thanks for watching.
I try not to miss your videos. Always full of great honest information. Thanks
Great video. 25/06 is an overlooked cartridge. I have 3 of them each for different applications. 2 of them love IMR4350 and the other one loves IMR4831. Ive tried other powders just cant get the precision on paper for the accuracy Im looking for.
Yes, my rifles prefer magnum powders. Thanks for watching
25-06 The first son of the GOAT. H100V or Supreme 780 always delivered both speed and accuracy in my experiences with .243,25-06.
Supreme 780 not around anymore, but I still have a lb.
Yes the ole. Win 780 was my powder of choice also.
RL16 gives good velocity and excellent SD in my 270 Win with the Barnes 130 grain TTSX. 3050 FPS and SD under 10. Going to be my hunting load this year.
I will add that my rifle shoots better after I take the Magnetospeed off. Additionally, I never seem to get good SD with any ball powder.
Thanks for your comment here and for watching.
The old 25-06, 270, 30-06 still going strong.
Agree. Thanks for watching.
Dave, if you can find some, try IMR-7828. NOT the SSC.
Thanks for the suggestion. Will try.
Heavier bullets tend to be more accurate for .25-06. I don't reload, but various 100gr and 117gr rounds all give me near MOA accuracy at 100yards, but 120gr gives me a ragged hole.
Speed is nice, but it definitely isn't everything.
If you want ideal accuracy with high-speed 100gr bullets, you may need a custom barrel with an odd twist rate.
Thanks for your input here and for watching. This test was for 2 obscure powders only and yet were still relatively accurate for hunting purposes.
My 25-06 likes 52.0 RL16 with Barnes 100 ttsx. Gets 3250fps and well under an inch at 100 yards. No pressure signs. You could probably bump up your powder charge a grain
Yes probably so. But fortunately I have other powders that perform near or better than the bullet makers recommended guidelines. Thanks for watching.
Thank you Sir. Both look decent from here. Nice old rifle. Happy hunting.
Thanks for watching and commenting here.
Be interesting to see how the same loads perform with once fired brass.
Eventually for sure. Thanks for watching.
The 25-06 is a fine western caliber, BUT...I'd keep trying diff powders....My 60 year old 6mm Rem Model 700 BDL is a .3-/.5 MOA Muley Whacker with 4831 pushing out a 100gr spire pt. at a fraction over 3200 fps...weighs right around 7.8 lbs. with the 3-9 Redfield I put on it 60 years ago :) And, though at the moment I don't recall ever taking a second shot at anything but paper ;), on a Good day, from the bench, more often than not it will still print a 3 round group that you can cover with a dime at a hundred. AND, I don't need a recoil pad for anything other than stretching my length of pull a bit. Btw, I've ALWAYS reloaded for this rifle. Otoh, I've known friends now passed, who used the 25-06 to take everything up to Bull Elk, but seems to me they were using round nose bullets a lot heavier than 100gr. Has the .25 bullet market leaned out? One last thing, doesn't the weight of your chrono hanging out there on the barrel affect your accuracy? Browning used to produce barrels with an adjustable weight at the end for the exact reason of tuning the harmonics to maximize accuracy. My BDL is bedded to the stock, and I had to work up my reloads to get it where it is now. Having said all that, your last reloader group is certainly nothing to scoff at , you can obviously SHOOT :)
Good vid. 👍
Thanks for your experiences shared here.
I was going to ask if the chrono changed POI then read your comment. But he didn't respond so I'm still curious.
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@@carfvallrightsreservedwith6649 Me too.
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 Dave, sorry I got so wordy, I just hope you and your readers found some value in it. On the other hand, you put up a very good vid. Most shooters just eat what they're force fed by the industry, but, as you point out, there's a whole new world of performance out there that awaits the reloader. Plus, It's damned fun to boot :) btw, I''ve seen a 25-06 lay out a Royal with a single round. Impressed the hell out of me.👍
I don't know about the 25-06.. I'm sure it is a great cartridge, but I already have 2 @ .270's that are tack drivers ;)
.270 win is a great cartridge. Thanks for watching.
25-06 is ballistically identical to the 270 Winchester
Dave very good with RL16@51 gr. Ill take it. I think you could shoot better with a good bench and rifle rest. Thank You Dennis
The rifle shoots better than me. Thanks for watching.
Good Afternoon Dave!
Hello CW. Look forward to your next videos.
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 Its gonna be a while. They struk me again and seeing as I did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG...and you know how that goes. Ill be totally gone very soon. Ill be only on Rumble...
@@cw2a Sorry to hear this. I'll update my Rumble subscription to see your videos. Let us know when they are up on the community page.
Looks like the bolt overrides the cartridge almost every time. A new magazine spring may be needed?? Or you could try to stretch it a bit. That kind of stuff does not fly in any of my hunting rifles. Looks like your rifle shoots pretty good though. That is always a plus!!!
Thr rifle functions just fine. But thanks for your suggestion for me to pay attention too.
Great video buddy have you ever tried IMR 4064 ?
No I have not. Thanks for watching.
Big fan of yours and I’m a big fan of the 25-06 also 👍
Ive had great results with Re17 & The old H380!! Everything i pointed my 25-06 at EXPIRED!
Sounds good! Thanks for watching.
@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 we are peers for sure! I'm 66 yrs & have been loading since I was 17 yrs old! Wow we've come a LONG WAY SINCE THE 1970'S!!
Looks like the bullets are starting to keyhole a bit.
No, it is just sheet paper that tears against a carboard backing, see the targets when placed against a wall at the end.
257 Weatherby moves a 100gr. Bullet 3600fps. 26 inch barrel.
My Forbes 25-06 likes RL 17 and 100 &101 grain bullets. 3300+ fps and 0.6" groups
Sounds like you found your loads. Thanks for watching.
Again ìmr 4895 nosler 100 g but
I won't give powder amount
Thanks, again I Thanks you for your suggestion and Thanks for watching.
I was wondering if a magnum primer might help the ball powder superformance. They tend to be harder to get good ignition on. It might tighten up the sd. It’s a thought. I have used those noslers and they have worked well for me in that cartridge. Happy shooting and good luck.
Make sure that you lower your powder charge before you use a magnum primer.
I have not tried a Magnum primer in any cartridge whose powder weight is below 59 grains. But maybe I'll try it. Thanks for the suggestion.
@@clintsmith559 good point 👍
@@Off-target-xy6bx Ask me how I know.
accuracy first anyday speed is nice and crucial for kinetic energy and bullet performance but is an animal any deader at 3170 compared to 33??
Also
a guy needs to remember the numbers a company boasts are never going to be what you achieve ! your chrono may read a bit slower and possibly even faster speeds ! the variants between where they collected their data for their marketing numbers and the elevation, humidity, air density, wind , rifle , brass primer , neck tension so many variables that make it impossible to match advertised marketing numbers . It becomes a fine balance of speed and accuracy a notch or two back from max pressure. I admit I do not know everything ,I have only been reloading 47 years on my own but started helping and watching and learning 50 years ago at age 13 .
btw I like your rifle the 25-06 is a sweet round ! good hunting !!
Agree, but it is always a challenge to match or exceed published numbers without excess pressure signs, good precision, proper bullet construction and eventually accuracy. Thanks for your valued comment here.
Also… Dave’s hobby is obviously more than hunting. All those shots would be acceptable to someone who is strictly a Hunter, but to someone who enjoys reloading his own cartridges the tweaking to the exact fps is important too. Thanks for the video Dave!
@@GoodGuysCarry Thanks for the kind words here. Yes your full comment is exactly correct.
I use imr,4350 right around 1/4 inch accuracy. At 100yards
Good choice. Thanks for watching.
I also use IMR4350 with 100gr BT.
Windy
Yes Sir. Always