I've got mixed feelings about Invincible Season 2
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To be fair to Rex surviving. It only hit his brain and he doesn't use that.
To be fair people can survive headsets I personally know someone who was shot in the head with a dang shotgun and is still going granted he's like massively disabled now but it's theoretically possible lol
To be fair, rex’s gambit-like explosion superpower is not his only superpower. He also has mildly enhanced strength, endurance and agility. Canonically, in the comics, he has a kind of super soldier origin and that allows him to take more punishment than a normal human.
There's a lore reason Rex survived the bullet but... his origin story hasn't been elaborated on in the show yet obviously
@@radicalpasta7040 exactly, it’s part of the reason his childhood was fucked up
To be fair, this wasn't funny
I think this season stepped back from deaths cause whew, it’s coming
Yeah, it's only going to pick up from here. Season 2 is setting up the rest of the show
this is always being said about this damn show can it just happen already
@@BlamoStramo mate if you’re too impatient to watch and enjoy the show, nobody’s forcing you to watch it. Hell you’re welcome to read the comics, unlike with The Boys, Invincible’s following the comics almost to a tee, so if you can’t wait and just wanna see what happens, read up
If you skip over or rush this stuff, it's not going to hit as hard when shit hits the fan. Infinity War and Endgame wouldn’t have been as effective as they were without a decade of building the world and the characters. When Thanos snapped it hit really hard because a lot of our favorite characters that we've grown to know and love over the past 10 years were just killed. I feel like the season of Invincible was great for character development and world-building. It didn't reach the same highs as season one but that's because it's obviously building up to something massive. It's laying the groundwork necessary for a massive payoff later
It’s coming In 2029 maybe
I don't think the pint of the battle with Angstrom is that he is a compelling villain or not, but to show to Mark that he is capable of killing and that he needs to decide once and for all to go all in on the superhero role. It was the theme for the whole season, and the last battle was the breaking point.
But I do agree with you about the fake deaths. It fealt dishonest.
Tbh tho I think mark was justified in killing angstrom I feel no sympathy for him or that he could have changes
@@yellowman5942yeah cant really buy the guilt and dillema of killing when the example was a dude that went insane and almost killed his mom and baby bro lol. And also was impossible to imprison since he could teleport anywhere in the multiverse. There really was no other option so😂
I was punching the air when Mark opened a can of whoop ass on that Mojo Jojo bish
That's worse in my opinion to just use the black guy as the punching bag and motivator.
Ep 4 feels like a finale and ep 8 feels like a midseason finale
yes!!
In a way it is cause season 3 is basically gonna be season 2 part 2
Exactly this
Because Revil should have been delt earlier, while his confrontation with Mark was after Nolan return, it worked in the comic because of how sudden it was, compare to the show where they tease him as some important guy, when he himself is nothing more than catalyst for Invincible War.
i agree lol i didn't know it was the last episode and got so confused when nothing came out the next week lmao
No matter how bad the show wants to make Immortal a dramatic character, all I think when I see him is, hey, that guy was Abraham Lincoln. Huh.
"Hey, that's the guy who always gets his a** whooped!" ❤
Fr, the immortal is such a weak character, hes pretty much just there for the fight scenes. And idk what it is about him but when he cries or when hes sad it just comes off as wierd instead of sad
@@spooktyrone9337yeah I wasn’t interested or sympathetic to his “arc” at all. They expect us to believe that Kate was more special to him than anyone in his lifetime spanning hundreds of years when they did literally nothing to show that they were special together? It just felt like strange and forced drama.
@@spooktyrone9337 that's because his voice actor sucks
@@bigoj7917 Pretty sure it was how she was brutally murdered at such a young age that effected him, not so much just their time together. Like, it should be extremely obvious to pick up on the fact that Immortal never dealt with something like this before, despite his age.
the point of anstrom levy to me is that hes a breaking point for invincible and even though hes not the most compelling villain but the affect he leaves on the story is really powerful, also dinosaurus is the best villain
I think a good point is that we're supposed to think this will be an Invincible vs Omniman level fight. That we're expecting Mark to struggle because his opponent outclasses him. But what we discover when the dust settles is that the struggle wasn't beating Angstrom, but in not becoming what he said Mark was: a monster. And in his mind, he lost.
Dinosaurus is definitely the best villian
@@kadegetslaid634
Back, you brute! If it talks, it thinks!
I agree that we needed this season to lead to this low point for Mark, and I especially think that we saw about as much Viltrumite action as we could for this to feel like a season of working things out and building tensions instead of jumping right back into escalating things directly from where S1 ended. How things ended with Levy was pitch perfect. A villain who could show up in Mark's home and threaten his mom, and that he could then lose control on and forget to think about as a vulnerable human being, was an ideal way to make this privately, personally devastating and very literally hit Mark where he lives, while actively evading the power escalation treadmill of the-same-but-bigger that shonen and superhero plots can fall into. At the same time, the show really wanted us to think Levy was a guy with a plan and never gave us any reason to suspect he had the capability or intention of punching Mark to death (regardless of whether that's further subverted by Mark overestimating him.) So there's still a bait and switch happening there that feels more confused than it does like a clever subversion. It wasn't the "bad" kind of anticlimax for me watching it, but looking back I can see how it might have hit that way and why that's a totally valid take.
Dinosaurus is so good, ugh sadly i feel like we wont be gettin that til at least season 7/8 maybe 9? Its been a while since i read the comics but im pretty sure its way later after the viltrumite wars, but honestly i can see the showrunners introducing him earlier like they did with various other characters/arcs
I think a lot of people have made the mistake of comparing invincible to something like The Boys, Watchmen etc. It is not a story of "this is what superheroes would really be like" or a deconstruction of the superhero genre at all. Sure, its a subversion of the genre with the extreme violence and adult themes, but at its core it is a classic superhero story, just very well written and usually with more stakes and plot twists because its not owned by marvel or DC. I knew season 2 was gonna be a bit rough because it adapts by far the most boring section of the comics, since very little happens to move the core plot forward, but honestly they improved upon it a lot and i thought the season was pretty good. If i didn't know where everything was going from here I'd probably be pretty disappointed so definitely get where you're coming from. Shrinking Rae not dying is a really strange choice to be honest and idk why they made that decision. They definitely could've done more with Angstrom too, his story doesn't work nearly as well in a season-based narrative as it does in the shorter 3-5 issue arcs that are more common in comics.
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This is apparent due to the fact of the vast amount of superhuman and supernatural stuff in Invincible. There's no "Compound V" to explain away all the superhuman's, there's not just one guy who has quantum powers, this show has cyborgs, aliens and magic. Nothing about this is remotely realistic, its just that its a bit more adult.
The issue is that... No, it is a deconstruction (and not a good one), considering the comics most "iconic" line is: "Being a hero is BS!".
That was also the point that soured me on invincible as a whole, and basically made everything the story might've tried to be mute. It just turned into a Millar-esque inspired edgelord super hero story, which, frankly, was a tired thing already at its conception. Add to this that most stuff people shared about the comic at that point also were just the increasingly silly getting hyper gore panels, and yeah.
Hope the show doesn't reduce itself to just being a shock piece like the comic.
@@EnerKaizer Because its still trying to been realistic, but not a deconstruction. Its not breaking down the heroic archetype, just showing how their are problems with it, just like Spider-Man.
@@projekttaku1 The issue is, it absolutely isn't realistic. Sometimes stuff just happens for more gore that characters shouldn't survive, then many, many people just get offed for no reason, etc. There is a reason many people have started to see the patterns of Kirkman as a writer, and how bad he can be if a good artist isn't carrieng him.
I feel like it lacked a cohesive 'A' plot. The themes were good, but Angstom could been more involved in the episodes leading up to the finale. There was no build up of tension for Levy. He just appeared then reappeared 6 episodes later, even [Title Card] forgets him.
That's because this is a comic adaptation and that's how it went in the comics
@@stephengrant4841 No it is an adaptation, that means they can make changes.
@@MrMoleHole but good adaptations don't make significant changes, whereas bad ones think they can do better than the original work that got popular enough for an adaptation to be made in the first place. IMO, with any adaptation, the kless changes to the source material there are, the better it will be. Rings of Power shits on LOTR lore, and is dogshit as a result, as an example.
@stephengrant4841 Maybe, but sometimes adaptations can and should make changes when adapting something into another medium.
@stephengrant4841 For example the lord of the rings movies made a lot of changes to the books that improved the story for the films.
Yeah I have no idea why they at least didn't kill off Shrinking Ray, they did in the books so I feel like they had no point to keep her alive, unless they are just doing to drag out her death in season 3. And Rex has good stories afterwards, and Duplicate is just believable that she could survive, but they should have killed Shrinking Ray. But with season 3 people are definitely going to die or they should if they follow the books.
The show doesn't seem to have the rights to a lot of other Image Comics characters, like Brit and Tech Jacket, that appeared prominently in some later arcs of Invincible. I imagine that Rae survived because they'll need her to sub for one of those characters. The show atm has a very limited number of heroes that they've even shown exist.
They could create new characters, surely…
I think that might’ve been to focus the funeral scene on Duplikate and the Immortal. That scene might not have worked as well if that was a shared funeral like the previous Guardians had and the Immortal said “and it’s also sad my other colleague I didn’t bond with is dead too”.
@@borjankosarac3645 Sure, but it's easier to work with someone you've already established. And Rae is basically a blank slate anyway - she's really done nothing major in the show, has no real personality or significant screentime except during the Lizard League fight, and even in the comics he was a bit of a nobody. There's lots of room to grow there.
@@EthanKWaters I agree, they also have the possibility of just retiring as well, personally I think its cause they need all the heroes they can for some of the massive fights that will come, like without tech jacket and some other heroes how will they win those world spanning battles that happen every so often. (don't forget the one race that has time move super fast is probably going to return and want vengeance against omni man who isn't even there)
Donald should start an “I died and got better” support group
Resident Invincible super fan here. You are going to love where the series goes and based on some of how you phrase things, there's plenty that you're not going to see coming. 😊
I was genuinely disappointed when shrinking rae survived, and I know that’s sounds cruel but her death was genuinely shocking and pretty sad on first watch, and the next episode just kinda snatched that impact away from me
I feel like it's also gonna make me be more critical of her character going forward, because I'll always have in the back of my mind that feeling of "what is this character adding to the story that made retroactively ruining such an emotional scene worth it." And I'm worried that she's not gonna be important enough to the story to shake that feeling
@@anyway5692 I dunno, Donald's character arc came out of nowhere yet somehow made him into one of the best and most interesting characters in the show (and that's saying something). I can see them pulling something similar off with Shrinking Rae.
the problem for me is that there is nothing in this show even slightly more interesting than the omni-man twist and dilemma
oh just you wait then...
@@jojo-nr5ir just you wait then is like saying the game gets good after the first 100 hours they should have juts made this season like 12 ep and released it together even if it took more time
@aligmal5031 imagine if you didn't wait till the end credits of episode 1 Season 1. Just wait. It gets bananas.
@@themaverick1898lmao can you not see how obviously different that is? Telling someone to wait until the end of the first episode of a show is not the same as telling someone to wait literal years for a show to get good.
@ryansabin2618 time is relative. Good things come to those who wait. Your loss regardless
I liked this season a lot, personally. The finale mostly got me in how faithful it was to the books. And knowing that, the death thing really shouldn’t be a problem next season. The thing also with Angstrom, is that with this storyline specifically (including in the book), the point kind of is that it’s underwhelming, hence Mark’s “I thought you were stronger”
That’s the problem. This only works if you read the comics, but as an adaptation, it shouldn’t just be for comic readers but for new people, too. Sometimes, faithfulness is not good. Like in the comics, all these parts are filler until we get to the invincible war. It was coming off the heels of S1, and having a mid-season break really ruined this season and all the energy from the first one.
You didn't need to read the comics to understand that, it was almost ham fisted, they very clearly express it and even name the episode "I thought you were stronger"...@hopelesslyoptimistic8231
@@hopelesslyoptimistic8231as someone who didn't read the comics I loved this lol. I don't see anything here as filler. I just wish Angstrom was more of his own character instead of a plot device.
@@cheesydawg371 what actually happened in this season? Nolan gets arrested, Oliver is brought to Earth, and Mark breaks up with Amber. That’s literally the only thing get accomplished. Mark is still worried about being his dad and everyone is trying figure what happens next after Omni-Man. Nothing in this season happens to lead to a satisfying finale. Seasons should be their own story, not just a piece of an overall narrative.
@@hopelesslyoptimistic8231 your criticisms are still valid, I said I like it despite not knowing how it was in the comics. So even though the season wasn't as strong as the first, the show as a whole is still cool.
i was fine with duplicate being alive, and i can ignore that rex survived what he did, but there’s no way shrink ray survived being crushed inside of another person!
apparently she did die in the comics but because amazon doesnt have access to characters that show up later on they may be keeping her around to replace them. I can believe she survived but I don't believe she crawled her way out. her skull would of been getting crushed too
@@xavmanisdabestest who are you referring to that they don't have access to? Did they bring a character from a different comic that Kirkman doesn't own?
@@xavmanisdabestest I only say that cause I could have sworn a few image comics characters showed up
@Listeriner I think Kirkman said that characters like Tek Jacket aren't going to be in the show
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I agree that Angstrom Levy should have been built up more but what his death does for Mark still works for me. It pushed him over the edge to do something like his father. That's exciting.
Angstrum had literally hundreds of memories of Mark killing his loved ones, how much more of a motivation could you possibly want?
Yeah, this is a really good motivation for a villain. Countless memories of countless evil mark's doing awful things to him and others, and on top of that he clearly isn't stable because of his accident.
if you watched the season as released you barely remember who angstrom is.
releasing this season like this was goofy and the show was hurt by it.
also they were airing the weakest episodes of this show at the same time that marvel releases a reboot of one of the strongest cartoons to ever be made.
it was a stupid move by amazon, and the show was made lesser by it.
@@iopohable no. Just no. I'm sick of them treating audiences like we're idiots. We're not, except for maybe the person I'm replying to, the person making the argument that viewers are idiots... ...
why doesn't he kill the evil marks then?
@@mawrak cause it was this mark that disfigured him. In his eyes.
I really like that someone who has duplicate powers did the smartest thing you could do
Nando, I think maybe you should have looked into Invincible #33, cause the pacing of this finale really is how it’s done in the comics. Mark spends 1 panel in most realities. Even the Spider-Man crossover was retroactively published as its own issue, it didn’t actually take a whole issue while the story was coming out.
Yeah this is true. Nando guessed wrong but I agree it was pretty quick paced
just because it worked in the comic doesn't mean it'll work in an episode
@Slavic_Snake i honestly prefered it being shorter, i dont like drawn out multiverseal stuff
There is a reason why comics and tv shows are two different things, you cant blame the show pacing to the comics when they wasted like half of the season on Amber relationship, you need to learn how to adapt the source material to work on another medium, not copy paste.
@Fax1880 it's definitely not copy and paste, they changed and adapted alot, but without the season being paced how it was future seasons won't work
It felt more like a mid-season finale rather than a season finale
Basically is because season 3 is practically season 2 part 2, just follows through on everything built up this season
As much as I liked watching this season, looking back on it in context with the finale, it didn't seem as great as the first season was. Granted, I did like how Mark killing Angstrom was like a callback to the S1 finale.
Also, the way Mark just railed on Angstrom was a certified "I Felt That" moment, but in like a cathartic way. Mark should not feel guilty for what he did, because how else would ANYONE stop a portal-hopping maniac that threatens one's family???
It's not that Mark felt guilty for killing Angstrom; it's the fact that he became like his father when he promised himself not to. I do agree with you though, Angstrom had it coming a mile away.
They actually did the angstrom fight exactly the way it was in the comics
It was
it dragged too much tho
@@aligmal5031nitpicking
@@kntgaf No, it really did. The intent seems to have been to build tension, but the guy is just such a lackluster and uniteresting guy, even with all the cameos he made during the season, there was just nothing there. THe entire time I was like, "I get it, he's insane, can we please get the fight over with, I want to go back to the interesting things..."
Invincible as a comic is interesting because there are impactful permanent deaths, but also a lot of people who get their guts punched out and somehow they survive. I think this just happened to be a part of the story where there's more of the latter. As for Angstrom, I agree he was underwhelming in this iteration, but there is... more to that story. And it's good to have him established when that more shows up.
Thank you for your service in the timestamp trenches 🫡
Yeah, he wanted the gore of the fight without killing people off pertinently cause of their healing factor's, its def my jam
So angstrom dieing is another fake out death but we just dont know it yet?
This season was aftermath, setup and calm before the storm. I do think there's some thematic link with so many characters coming back from literal or symbolic death.
And I think it will be helpful for later seasons to give people hope that characters can survive, so people don't become numb to characters dying. They will cross their fingers and hope it's another fake-out.
these are stories, there's no fun stories about calm. you gotta bring in the thunder.
and no, sorry... this isn't game of thrones in 2015. these are drawings of people, ain't nobody gonna give 2 shits when cartoon people die.
@@iopohable You must not be in a lot of fandoms if you think nobody cares about cartoon deaths.
@@iopohablethe thunder is meaningless without the calm. This part is important too
This is the point in the comic where no one dies but then following story arc everyone dies. When these characters don't die, it becomes glaring when they do. Because how did they survive that but not this.
This is the comment right here
yeah, I just watched a complete Invincible comic book story video, and people do die just later... the length of the series was much longer than I'd thought it'd be
I feel that what the creators were trying to convey here, is that Levy's "plan" wasn't something constructed by a rational man. Because of the accident Levy is emotionally and mentally unstable. He can present a veneer of functionality, but at the end of the day, he's a very sick man pretending to be otherwise. He's a tragedy with the powers of a god.
I really wish Rex's brain injury deeply changed his personality. That would have been a meaningful consequence and could have affected the story in an interesting way. As of now, the whole injury was pointless
I actually think they tried to do that, by mentioning that he "realised he was a dick to women" and "likes interior decorating now" but clearly that wasn't enough.
As someone who owns all 3 of the compendiums and has read them multiple times, the second season was even more true to the books than the first season was. There were a lot of changes too, but they all served the story well. But all of the things you mentioned as things you didn’t like are beats straight from the book, with the exception of Shrinking Rae, since Ray did die there in the books. Everything that happened in this season was all a part of a crucible helping to forge all these characters into something more for the rest of the run. We’re only like 40 issues in to a 144 issue comic story. Everything that happened in this season was very, very important for what’s to come.
YES EXACTLY!!
It might be because I've read the comics so I know what's coming but I definitely enjoyed this season and I really liked the angstrom fight. especially with the addition of sound that the comics obviously dont have, hearing oliver cry and debbie scream really makes it tense. And I think the point is that mark could obviously kill him but he's afraid of hurting his mom or oliver in the process cause he's seen what happens to innocent people nearby when he tries to fight. and although I agree that angstroms plan is bad for someone they're framing as his "arch nemesis", I kinda think that's the point cause mark literally doesnt remember him and he even says I thought you were stronger. and for what it's worth, I thought the vignettes we got from the other angstroms were pretty convincing as motivation. either way I’m sure were all just hoping season 3 is great, and if it's anything like the comics... I dont think anyone will be dissapointed.
also I do find it a little funny you connected the walking dead and invincible via Steven Yeun and not Robert Kirkman
The whole basis for Angstrom's obsession with Mark is all the memories he absorbed of his alternate selves in which a version of Mark murders everyone he ever loved. He cannot separate these memories from his own to the point that in his mind, invincible has done so hundreds of times.
He doesn't even remember that he caused his own injuries trying to protect invincible until Mark reminds him of it. He was a mentally disturbed individual. He basically has a full blown psychotic break when hundreds of memories of Mark butchering innocents override any notion that Mark isn't evil.
He was a good man corrupted by tragedy, kind of like two-face. Mark knew he was once a good man and it makes his subsequent actions hit him that much harder.
I think the biggest thing you're missing about the Angstrom fight is that it completes the thing that Mark's been shouting since the start of the season: "I'm not like my dad." Mark's been trying to do good, and keep peoples' trust and win while everyone is wondering about him and Omni-Man and "what if one day Mark just snapped?". He rejects a lot of Nolan's advice on Thraxxa because he sees Nolan telling him to kill the Viltrumites as trying to make him more like him. Nolan killed, but Mark's a hero, and heroes don't kill.
But then in comes Angstrom Levy, full of all this knowledge and insight about Mark - or, at least, an aggregate of information about the Mark Graysons of the multiverse. Turns out more often than not he joins his dad, takes over Earth, subjugates his friends, kills indiscriminately and pledges himself to the Viltrum Empire. Turns out in most universes he's a villain, one of the worst and most vile to ever live. This, the stress of the fight, trying to protect his family and just getting worn down by all the beatings just makes him snap. Mark beats down on Levy because he said he was upgraded to fight him, because he said he planned to kill him himself so he must be powerful like a Viltrumite. He lets out everything he's been bottling up onto someone he thinks can take it, and when he comes back to himself, he realises that Angstrom wasn't that tough. That he's beaten him to death, Levy's brains are dripping off his hands. That Mark has killed a man, despite how hard he's tried not to be.
"I thought you were stronger."
*I thought you were stronger than this, Mark.*
Maybe I missed something, but does mark know he's evil in other universes?
I thought the season was building to him learning this from Angstrom and would have been a really cool moment so I was a bit underwhelmed when it didn't happen.
@@vighneshraja7231 Y'know, I think he might have done this during the comic, but I guess not in the show. Mark might have been able to glean a lot of it from how Angstrom reacted, all the assertions about how Invincible killed so many people and his talks about different dimensions. But yeah, he never outright tells Mark this.
As someone who read the entire comics series, I do have some issues with season 2.
1. For one, Angstorm was far more developed before that fateful encounter. We actually got to see him develop his plan. I won’t say that his reasoning was more well defined in the comics, but I did like the idea of multiple versions of him merging into one (hence him being an abomination). He’s not supposed to have a sound argument, because he’s insane. His mind is struggling with an influx of various experiences which depict the torture Mark inflicted upon him. That made way more sense than Angstorm flat out saying that in another universe Mark is evil so in this universe he must be evil too.
2. The pacing is very very weird. In truth, things are a lot more chill between Nolan’s initial attack and the Invincible War & Viltrumite war. Mark spends way more time with Amber and his friend, and goes on fun adventures. There’s also a greater focus on Eve and how she’s trying to contribute to Africa with her powers. You actually get to see Mark live his life a little before all goes to hell when he kills Angstorm. This season should’ve been more structured as lowkey life of Invincible proceeding his battle with Nolan. I think fans would’ve appreciated that way more- atleast I would. This was where we get the whole Peter Parker feel with the soap opera and whatnot.
3. Mark and Eve hardly spend any time together this season. Like at all. One encounter at the beginning where Eve tells Mark he’s not his father, another where the whole friend group is hanging at her tree house, then the space mission, and then the very last scene of the season. Four scenes together in eight 50 minute long episodes. And yet in the end we have older Eve telling Mark she always loved him and it’s like… when? In the comic it rings true as you can feel their chemistry, but in the second season it feels so weird and unearned. Eve hardly ever has moments where she expresses or hints at any romantic interest in Mark. And it sucks because Mark and Eve are perhaps one of the best relationships in all of comics. They’re like the Boy Meets World Cory and Topanga of Invincible! I’m really hoping that season 3 actually builds up their relationship more before they call it official.
4. The animation is… lazy? Like in season 1 it was understandable as this was an adaption of a niche indie comic book and likely wasn’t given a Disney budget or anything. But then it became a massive hit and was renewed and funded for TWO more seasons! And then, the season 2 animation is drastically worse than season 1. Like it’s bad with just a few exceptions being the Viltrumite fights in episodes 4 and 7. Invincible is one of the most action packed comics series, and the animation just does such a disservice to it with its stiffness. But what’s worse about this is that we’ve SEEN what this show could be like with great and creative animation with the Atom Eve short! Watching Eve battle with her brothers on that Highway has to be one of the best action sequences in superhero animation, and set a standard for what Invincible season 2 should strive towards… and yet it didn’t happen. None of the fights in season 2 even come CLOSE to the dynamic and flashy animation of the short, and it leaves me so damn confused. Even the teaser trailer of season 2 had superior animation and design; something actually unique that could set it apart from other superhero animation.
I love Invincible. It’s my favorite comic book series ever. While this season did do some interesting things such as Donald’s subplot and Amber’s “redemption” as a great girlfriend, this season mostly disappointed me. The four month break didn’t make it any better either.
Hopefully season 3 is much better
For your first point. That’s the same thing that happened in the show. That’s why whenever Debbie told him he saved invincible he freaked out and started clutching his head and stuff. His memories are still being influenced by the other versions. He just thinks that he experienced all of that himself.
Also the comics have a moment where Angstrom says Mark is evil in most other dimensions, so it’s actually played pretty much the same.
The third point. We got to see moments in the first season where Eve started to show interest towards Mark, along with her overall support/attempting to be close to him this season some.
The reason why they didn’t show that as much is I think they really wanted to extend his relationship with Amber (and not have it and with her just cheating) to show that Mark was really having to choose between having a normal life or one of a super hero.
This choice hits harder than what happened with Mark and Amber in the comics. And this along with his convo with his mom helps push him towards fully embracing the superhero thing. Which is when in then end he finally turns to Eve.
And they’re not dating yet, he just put his hand on hers lol so it’s not like they’re madly in love now with no build up.
I think they didn’t want to overshadow the Amber thing, because it showed some more in depth development with Marks character. So they decided to wait and fully go forward with Eve next season. (Even tho at moments the fans just wanted Amber to be done a lot)
I like this change because it shows the struggle of young adult relationships.
@@joshuacollins9316 I actually appreciate Mark and Amber’s relationship a lot. And changing Anissa threatening Debbie like in the comics to her threatening Amber works wonders as it’s the final straw in this already struggling relationship. It works quite well.
But I still do think that Mark and Eve’s dynamic should’ve been further explored, even if that’s a guaranteed in season 3. If Mark is battling with his life between normalcy and superheroics, why not have Amber embody the former and Eve embody the latter? We could’ve had scenes where the two comfort eachother more. In fact Eve made a major screw up this season in financially harming a community and she went to Mark for help only for him to be out in space. And then it’s never brought up again for the rest of the season.
Even just another mission with just those two so they could talk would’ve been nice.
In season 1, Eve does trust Mark and enjoys spending time with him n such… but its still greatly limited and hardly enough for her to just say she loves him. Again in the comics it makes way more sense as you get plenty of hints towards her liking Mark. Amber even makes the (correct) assumption that the only reason Eve invited them to her tree house in Africa was because she wanted to see him. Mark is also there to comfort Eve when she goes to him crying after Rex cheated on her- unlike the show where she just catches him and Amber making out (which is fine I guess).
I just don’t love the lack of scenes the two share this season. I think if Amber didn’t say she always loved Mark in the show, I would’ve been more okay with it as it shows that they both need to grow more with eachother before developing such feelings.
But my fingers are crossed for more Mark x Eve scenes in the future.
@@codeghost7715 I think those are all great points. But also like the majority of the fanbase, I think you were just ready for them to jump to Eve and start laying more of the framework for that since it’s obvious Amber was not gonna be Marks main girl. lol
You also have to realize with how many seasons they’re doing (which Robert K. Has already said might go past the comics) they might be taking it slow, knowing they have a lot more time to devote to MarkxEve.
I still stand by that if they would have shown more Mark and Eve moneys that anything with Amber would have been even more meaningless and overshadowed. I believe that’s why they did what they did.
In the show Ambers relationship actually has a more significant impact on Mark in that it allows him to see more about himself and the life he wants to live.
In the comics it’s much more just his first gf, and he’s like yeah I should probs date a superhero.
Calling lazy animation with a scene in the show calling out people who say shit like that.
I don't have particularly mixed feelings. I just thought Invincible Season 2 was kinda not worth the wait. It took them three years (and I'm sorry, I cannot locate what effort was put in that required this) for a season that's about setting the table for more interesting future storylines. The season doesn't really build to anything, it's more just a few things that happened.
Instead the most consistent storylines of the season were personal storylines of Mark and Amber's relationship and Debbie moving on with her life that I just didn't care about. They burned the Mark/Amber bridge at the end of the first season and it felt like they were trying to rehabilitate their biggest misfire of Season 1, but I was waiting for them to finally push her aside for real this time. And Debbie being depressed just does not make as much compelling television as they seem to think.
Everything else is just sorta moments instead of a coherent plot. And really, the only ones that stuck were Omni-Man's return episode, the intro of Anissa, and Donald's existential crisis (much better than Debbie's).
This season seemed all over the place yet so short as it they needed 5 more episodes
It's weird that shrinking Ray is alive as they are the one who's supposed to die from the fight in the comic
When Langstrom threw the knife at Marks mom and Mark flew at full speed to catch it, I thought he would pull a bait and switch.
Like instead of opening a portal that sent mark outside, he would reopen a portal directly in front of Marks mom and make him impale her with the knife at full speed...thus killing her, and sending Invincible over the edge. And throw in some quotes about becoming his father just to add a little salt to the wound.
Honestly, this sort of reaction is understandable. Without spoiling what happens in future seasons, I’ll try to say this on what I think the Invincible’s (show’s and comic’s) core focus is:
To me, the whole point of Invincible isn’t that “There are these villains that have a compelling plan on how to achieve their goals and torture Mark”. To me it’s more in the vein of “Here is how Mark’s mindset and beliefs slowly change under the circumstances he is presented to”.
For instance, earlier this season he was sure that he could tell who to help and who to fight. He wouldn’t listen to Cecil, and would just make decisions himself, relying mostly on his own instincts. Now we see that his instincts may not always be correct. He could have neutralized Angstrom without murdering him, but he let his emotions loose. He didn’t stop beating him when he was already down. Because of that, his previous beliefs and ideology will definitely start shifting now.
Same thing with Thraxans. In Season One, Mark refused to understand where his Dad was coming from, when Nolan compared Viltrumites to a human race, that has a lesser lifespan and more compassion. But once Mark meets Thraxans, a race that has an even lesser lifespan and even more compassion than the humans, he starts understanding his Dad’s perspective more. His previous beliefs start shifting.
So, I believe this show is mostly about Mark and how his maximalist views are challenged when he is faced more and more with how complex his world is. Not so much about the villains. Lizard League, Anissa, and many other villains we’ve seen so far (D. A. Sinclair, Titan) are there to challenge Mark’s simplistic view of the world. And even that is just ONE of multiple ways you could interpret the overall story.
P.S. Regarding, the fake-out deaths. I am pretty sure they happened, because these characters still have more to say in the future. And them going through a near-death experience will show them in the new light, like we already saw with Rex changing towards the end of the season.
P.P.S. The whole Angstrom Levy fight from beginning to end DOES occur in just one issue (#33). The Spidey Crossover was just additional comic book that came out separately as a bonus.
What do you mean by he starts to understand Nolan after meeting thraxans? I’m legitimately asking, bc I never saw him going anywhere near considering them pets. Maybe it’s there and I missed it.
My biggest problem with this season ending was basically I never felt like we were given any legitimacy to the claim that Mark is like his father. Levy was a product of Marks across reality, other people like Cecil and Immortal act suspicious of him but are proven wrong for doing so. He never wavered until he does big time at the finale and it felt like it came out of nowhere.
@@popoto29he means in terms of brutality. Mark has made it a point he would rather talk things and if he had to, neutralize his enemy, but he would never kill. Before he was a superhero he was a human and he values every life no matter who it is. That’s what set him and his dad apart and why he’s so scarred from what he did to angstrom.
@@dsweetestkitty1527 I can see, yeah. I'll admit i never noticed this batmanlike side of mark and would be hardpressed to answare if he had'nt already killed someone before. The show was pretty brutal already so this felt like an ethical question that was already established and dealt with. Guess i took this part of the character for granted and was blindsided by the payoff
This season is mainly the lull before the storm cause next few seasons are gonna be crazy, also the best thing about angstrom is the effect he leaves on Mark
In the comic th Angstrom thing was pretty quick too. Like two issues tops. The point of it is the lasting repercussions
You're totally right about all the fake out deaths, pretty overused. Legit no supes died but I FEEL like I watched several die this season.
On another note, one thing that drove me crazy is the level of personal angst Invincible felt at killing Angstrom. Dude literally invaded his home and threated his family and 100% planned to kill Invincible. Yet Invincible just couldn't handle that he had to kill him. WHO WOULDN'T? This was clearly a me or you scenario. No judge on earth would convict, or even blame him for his actions, this is basic law of the jungle type stuff here. In my mind it was naïve for Invincible to think he'd never have to kill anyone going on about as superheros do in that universe.
Angstrom was always going to ultimately be just a stepping stone in mark’s journey so Im not too torn up about it. He was basically just a vessel to facilitate the introduction of the multiverse and Mark’s character growth.
As far as angstrom’s plan being shit, it absolutely was. However he was also blinded by rage after having the trauma of all his alternate selves forced into his consciousness. He had thousands of memories of Mark murdering everyone he knew and loved in horrifyingly brutal ways. His plan was therefore understandably sloppy.
So while he was definitely not ideal he served his purpose in the story very well.
As a book reader (and rereading it... again) True to Invincible, the scenes play about just like they do in the comics... Except for Shrinking Rae, they die, and that's it. Most likely they kept them alive because they don't have the entire Image Comics characters to use from, so they have to use ALL the characters they have now ... Untill they get wittled down. (was surprised to see Knockout and Kid Thor)
Let's just say, a lot of consequences follow from this second season, and het revisited many times throughout the series.
I was so hyped to see kid thor, i wasnt sure if they could use him
I had the same problems for the same reasons, the 3 deaths felt important in the moment and them all surviving being murdered to shit in front of our eyes just deflates a lot of the meaning the scene had
Im gonna get a bit comic book nerdy here, but shrinking rae was the only one that actually died there so it might be more of a comic story problem than a show one but I didnt mind honestly.
Damn that was already the finale......
My exact thought
I completely agree and then some. I'm certain the writers thought they could emotionally captivate the audience and that would surpass good story telling, similar to later season of Bojack Horseman. But where they failed where Bojack may have succeeded was not telling these emotional stories or character archs in an interesting way. I think relied to much on the weight of season 1 to expose the "character" of each character.
To be far, another famous Robert Kirkman character: Carl Grimes, was also shot in the head and lived, and in the comics it was even more unbelievably so (like literally the image depicts like a massive hole through his eye and a chunk of his head gone but i guess he just loses the eye).
I think for a project like the invisible show theres like a limit on how much death you can have before your audience gets tired of it, and i think maybe their saving up that particular curency of faith for the next season or so.
This felt like the middle of a story because it is where as the first season felt fresh
Based on the comments, sounds like it might have been stronger if they shuffled some comic things around give this "season" a bit more finality.
I think / agree, it was going to be really tough to top Season 1, not only was the pacing spot on, but the stakes were huge, with this season I feel it was inevitable to reach some lower points. But I do hope they can elevate them in the future, seeing more of Debbie for example (something not shown as much in the comics) was kinda cool, I wish we got some kind of treatment like that for other aspects of the season, showing more Darkwing I feel could have been a bit fun, given a later event in the story.
As someone who has read the comics, I can vouch positively for what is coming next, but I do think that will hinder Season 2 in the long run.
I think there are slightly less memorable moments, even in some of the normal episodes, but I also think there *ARE* unique character moments that we can kinda only get at this point in the story.
Note the usage of the word "slightly", given I don't mean to say there aren't awesome moments, even in the comics, some of the stuff that happened this season is some of the most iconic panels, from the ending of the show, to Kregg first talking to Mark, Allen's Death, "I think I miss my wife", that freeze frame recreating the panel of Nolan and Mark fighting the Viltrumites on Thraxa, etc.
Buuuut the setup that happened here will certainly impact positively in the future. I know it is not ideal to judge a property on what cooould come next, and if I didn't have the context of the comic I'd feel it significantly more lacking in hindsight, but because I do still know, I kinda can not be sorta biased? heh sorry?
The biggest difference for me between season 1 and 2 is that I found S1 to be infinitely re-watchable where I couldn't re-watch any episodes of S2.
We must have watched a different show because that scene with Levi was the most tense and compelling scene in the entire show so far imo.
Literally
That episode was as good as anything in the first season. The rest of the season.. oh boy.. disappointment
@@icehulk2I wouldn’t say “disappointment” I do agree that none of the sub-plots really topped the Titan episode or the Flaxan episode from last Season, but overall I found it really entertaining, each episode fleshed out the world and story in a satisfying way for me, it does feel like a lot of things are seeds being planted for later season though. I don’t think Season 2 reached the heights of Season 1 but I definitely wasn’t disappointed at any point.
@@jameshn7159 I have to give credit to a lot of things the show does right. The animation, the tone, the action scenes the characters so much great quality I feel bad focusing on the negatives. I think the high quality of the first season hurts the second season. And I know a lot of people bring up how second season is setting up stories, arcs, characters etc. but what made the show special for me was that it has great resolution after great resolution within a bigger arc. The first season felt unique, the second just feels like your average comic book show.
I wasn't satisfied with season 2, but I didn't expect to agree with you. I think Angstrom's motivation was way too shit, when it could have been setup for him to be right that Invincible stopped him and caused the accident. He has perfect working memory of everything except his own memory? Like, why? Just make Invincible shut down or destroy the machine or make the conflict that Invincible is evil in every other reality and the memories of the other Angstrom's overwhelm him with anger at him or something. I also thought it would have been really interesting if Mark encountered any of his or his dad's alternate versions. That seems like a huge waste of potential. I was waiting for any of that to be interesting, but instead they just wanted zombies and random strangers. Imagine making multiverses boring.
Another issue with this season for me was the inconsistency of power scaling. Invincible felt like he went all over the place on whether he was actually strong. When fighting the Mar's parasite, not a single person tries to gun it for the host until they make the EMP. I don't understand why. It should have been fine to just kill the astronaut and get out. I wish he was shown to be a lot stronger against most things that aren't Viltrumites or Eldrich Horrors.
Eve is also all over the place. Her special episode made her able to change the atomic structure of the helmets people were wearing, but she never does this to anyone. Also, when heading towards the Martian ship, rather than protecting the entire ship, she just makes a tiny bubble. Really seems like she would have been able to delete the missiles, make a barrier outside the ship, or reinforce the ship to withstand it better. Sidenote on that scene in general, there's no reason they should have waited until in missile range to cover the plan for Shapesmith to then say why it wouldn't work. Just make him not know if you want it to play out how it did.
This isn't necessarily about power scaling, but why does Robot never use anything more than the normal robot anymore? It also seems reasonable to me that he'd make something like the Iron Man HulkBuster for Monster Girl if he wanted keep her from using her power. Also, wtf was their plan on the Martian mission if they hadn't been caught? Idk if he knew he'd need to EMP, but it didn't feel like they were prepared at all unless they were just hoping for a stealth mission.
It seems like dropping out of college should have been really obvious for Mark. He just doesn't have time, could spend any free time he does have with Amber anyways cause he can fly, and doesn't seem to care at all about academics. Dude was just brainwashed that everyone has to go to college after high school and thought you couldn't study or spend time with someone you're not going to school with.
I'm not a huge fan of Amber, but they mostly dialed her back, which was cool. I think their relationship drama was an easier answer than they thought though, but I can understand wanting to delay that conclusion. Mark is living a very different life than the average young adult, even more so than other superheroes, so I wouldn't imagine a relationship could work with a normal person rn.
After season 1, I read the comics until Fat (if you know, you know). I think it's good that they fleshed out more characters, but it has started to pad a bit more in between interesting Mark moments.
Watching this season reminds me of watching season 2 of Mr. Robot. In the moment, when you have to wait a week for each episode and you know you’re not getting another season for at least a year, the pacing is frustrating. But I feel like I’ll look back on this season more fondly once the series wraps up.
Awesome review, fully agree that Angstrom was a joke of a threat, bro is virtually a god and was scheming on mark for however long that was, unbeknownst to mark, yet his best plan was "zombies" to "wear mark down" like ??? i can count FOUR fake deaths in the show + 2 straight revivals, 3 if you count allen. The fact this rated nearly as high as season 1 on rotten tomatoes audience has me CONFUSED
hey just so you know, i’m pretty sure the angstrom levy stuff only happens over like 2-3 issues. first issue is all the portal stuff, second issue ends with angstrom dying, third issue mark comes back home. most of the dimension hopping stuff is a single panel or page, including the spider man thing
I wonder if the lack of deaths in this season was a conscious choice, since the only definite death(s) for this whole season are dealt by Omni man (the random goons in the past episode and possibly some of the viltrumites on thraxa) and Mark (again the viltumites but most definitely Levy)
Enforcing that similarity of the 2 and putting mark as a danger above that of even real villains?
Not sure it works but I feel like that could be the deal there 🤷♂️
Saw your tweet and hoped you make a video. I’ve become a Nando Stan. Is there an official title? Nan Stan? Nanatic?
I was honestly suprised to see everyone love this season, cause to me it was a huge step down. The completely failed to make angstrum feel like an actual threat, and the viltrumites while being strong just lack the urgency omni man brang in season 1. This season seemed to lack focus and just felt a little all over the place. I dont hate it, its a fine show i was just wanting more 6/10
Also i felt nothing when knockoff antman and duplikate (died) neither of them really had much of a character and the show harped on them too much imo
Rex body was altered to be stronger to handle his powers hence why he survived
Viewers needing to know information from the comics to make sense of what happens in the show is bad writing.
@@andrewshandleWrong superheroes are stronger than normal humans.
@@greatsageequaltoheaven8115 lol, okay champ. The number of heroes that could survive a bullet to the back of the head execution style is very low. Otherwise there are zero stakes.
@andrewshandle Wrong superheroes die its just a normal gun is not going to kill them.
@@greatsageequaltoheaven8115 so why do any heroes bother avoiding gun fire? If bullets can't hurt them, why bother.
I think season 3 will bring back a lot of that season 1 magic. The mid season break for season 2 with the long wait time killed off some of the hype.
the mid season break killled the season tbh.
angstrom shows up in the first and last episodes only.
for anybody who watched the episodes as they released, when angstrom appeared as the final boss they were all like "who?"
and that is a dumb way to have a season finale. doesnt matter how much ppl say its faithful to the comics.
Part two of the season was by far my favorite, I liked seeing him unleash and have to come to terms with what he did
I do agree with the point they ended on wasn’t very satisfying. It’s certainly a watershed moment, but I thought they would have had this in the penultimate episode, and not the finale. There’s a big blowout that happens shortly after this I thought would be the finale, but they are either saving it for early S3 or potentially saving it for a bigger moment later on.
I thinking having Kate be the only to survive could have been interesting. Like her suffering from survivors guilt would really add depth to a character that doesn't really have any yet.
I think the show is too heavy with characters and too little of episodes. They have to cover so much, Immortal, Cecil’s assistant and Will’s boyfriend, the guardians of the globe, Omni man taking over another planet, Atom Eve, Allen the Alien, Amber and Mark’s relationship. It’s just too much, and then on top of all of that we have to care about Angstrom Levy…and there’s only eight episodes? That’s too much to ask for the audience
From season 1 they’ve always had examples of characters having entire arcs that just happen to intersect with the main characters at an extreme point.
Even from the second episode when that guy and his step son dodge the trash bag that Mark threw to Europe.
Or the Egyptian mummy thing that comes back in this episode.
Angstrom was a small part of Mark’s journey but it had a really damaging impact on Angstrom that Mark didn’t even see.
I think the show is trying to point out that everyone has their own story line going at the same time and sometimes they collide in ways that are extreme.
But yeah I agree, fake out deaths suck
All I know is when Anissa showed up, my partner was so worried for Amber, but me I was practically pacing the room worried for Mark. If you know, you know.
"Nobody died this season." Be grateful for that, because this is probably the last time that'll ever happen. Especially next season.
why grateful? these aren't real people, I dont care if they die
@@iopohableno shit that's not the point bruh
Any idea on when s3 is coming? I hope they can keep the momentum
The thing about the impermanent deaths is that Invincible is all about evolution. It's kind of like Dragon Ball Z in that way, people are constantly almost dying and then coming back stronger than before. Over the course of the series there are some fantastic characters that have gone on some seriously well done arcs.
The fight with angstrom is actually very similar to how it plays in the comics and things like spiderman invincible crossover is like a handful of panels in invincible itself and mainly takes place in an issue of marvel team up which was written by robert kirkman
i think for me it feels more akin to a shonen anime than a faithful superhero story. i think the themes of hope after experiencing trauma are very good and the character writing is miles above what marvel did in what if (in my opinion!) I just binged the second half after not caring for some months, and i was genuinely blown away by where they were taking it
Happy to see someone having the same feelings about s2 and especially Angstrom Levy as I do.
I think his death and his effect on Mark is great... in theory. But it's done kindof poorly
This show is actually good. There's no political correctness, no pandering, the Gay characters aren't treated like Monolithic, no long grand standing Speeches about how Racism is bad, no talking about Global warming. Just a story about Mark Grayson's life as a Superhero. It reminded me Of Spiderman. Plus the fact that he doesn't kill people is what's holding him back. Viltrumites don't show mercy, and Mark is gonna have to learn when to kill and why to kill. Mark Grayson doesn't kill because it's fun, but if he doesn't kill certain people then those people will continue to move forward hurting others. Invincible is Good Writing. Can't wait for season 3.
Loved this season tbh, perfect setup for season 3, also the multiverse wasnt drawn out in the comics, it was one panel each mostly
u raise a very valid point. I do like fake out deaths for favourite characters but not all the time like whats happening in the show. Like the nerd guy coulda stayed dead n I woulda been fine with that
In the comic you don't quite get the sense a speed you do in animation, the whole fight in the show you wonder why Mark doesn't just super speed up to Leavy and snap his wrists in half. They should of given one of levy's alternate versions a larger subplot of what it was like living in a post viltrumite invasion. Also in the comic it shows just enough of Spiderman for you to know it's Spiderman but not enough to get sued over, which I think is more fun because the guys he bumped into coulda just been characters from his regular dimension
I think Kirkman wanted to go for Character Studies for this season which would naturally feel like a hard drop from the great mix that is Season 1.
But maaaan, I was so hyped to see the conflict of Dinosaurus remade for this season and he's nowhere at all, would'nt be surprised if he gets skipped overall.
Dinosaurus? This early?
Why would dinosaurs be in the show so early???? Thats like a season 4 thing, hes not even in the first compendium if i remember correctly, i hope they dont bring him in so early
Maybe I recalled the order wrong, considering I read the comics years ago but I was thinking the Invincible War would have been the ending of this season yet even that was'nt here even the opening bumper referenced "him". I get the cartoon is meant to be unexpected for us Comic readers but leaving out the hype stuff out of a whole season is bad idea even it had its moments.
@mechashadow oh dude trust me I reread the comics literally 2 months ago, invincible war is definitely like season 4 at least, definitely should reread the comics worth the time commitment, Ive done it every year for 4 years when j heard the show was getting adapted LOL
That’s way early bro what are u talking about 😭
I think a lot of people had a problem with this season. The whole series rips off so much some other stuff its too unoriginal
what bothered me the most in season 2 is how much time they dedicated to characters just sitting around and talking about their relationship problems. They didn't even make it clear if Mark and Amber commited to ending their relationship or not. I feel like they were going for a very realistic portrayal of a falling out that still paints both characters as sympathetic as possible, but it just feels out of place in a superhero show with such high stakes as invincible. If they wanted Amber out of the picture so they can start to establish a romance between Mark and Eve, I think it would have been more interesting to actually kill her off (and I like Amber as a character a lot). But then again, I havent read very far into the comics. Maybe she still plays a bigger part later on.... Though from what I have read, she seems like an incredibly boring character in the comics compared to the show, so I have my doubts. Either way I just hope they still do *something* with her in the show going forward, else that would be a very big waste of a strong character or atleast an impactful character death.
Angstrom isn’t a great villain this season because he basically has no effect on the story of the season besides the first and last episode. I like this season but my biggest criticism is that it exists to set up the next.
I really enjoy the idea of how so many memories absorb in Levy’s head makes him unable to make the choice for his own because of what other versions of him has suffered, it’s a great set up for the villain’s struggles but that happens in the finale which I just felt whatever cuz he didn’t have much impact throughout the reason
I agree I wish he had more set up but I love the subversion of the final episode. We expect another invincible vs Omni man fight where invincible gets annihilated but invincible ends up in Omni man’s role instead, the parallels are super cool to see
@@captainbotstick2443have you read the comics?
@@raymondsims7042 nope I try and stay away from learning anything that’s gonna happen although I’ve heard a few spoilers, not sure what that has to do with this though
@@captainbotstick2443 again well I won’t say anything then
Yaaassss! Thank you for giving an honest critique. This season was very weak and disjointed compared to the first. In the end, Invincible is just as mopey, insecure, and self loathing as he was at the beginning of the season. He’s not a character that I want to root for at all.
The finale was such a boring disappointment. If Omniman can catch Red Rush, then Mark is fast enough to get Angstrom before he opens a portal. Mark should be able to neutralize Angstrom before he even moves a muscle.
Season had a stronger thru line, the mystery of Omni Man is more interesting than Angstrom Levy but what's interesting about Angstrom is the effect he had on Mark. The episode to episode plots for characters outside of the Graysons were better this season. In season one, I really only cared about the Graysons and Robot. In season two, in addition to them, I care about Eve, Rex, Monster girl, Immortal (though I don't about Kate), Donald, Rick, and Allan. I'll say that we only had like two weak episodes this season (episode 2&3) and the rest of the episodes were very strong. Season one is better as a whole, season two has stronger individual parts. They have different goals. A first season needs to hook you. A second season needs to be a building season, paving the way for what is to come. I hope they have big plans for Rae, otherwise, that a strange deviation
i enjoyed it as it sets a new standard for masks life, he has killed and he is loosing even more control over his life with amber leaving, viltrumites showing up on earth and he has killed now and lost control of his emotions, as well as relationship with his dad confusing him even more. It was very personal for mark and it allows for more freedom of storytelling in season 3 and more for mark to develop with and conquer to better himself as a person
Not killing those 3 guardians was pretty good imo.
1. The replica girl, the first thing that popped up in my head when she got killed is "why doesn't she have a couple of backup clones in a safe spot somewhere"
2. The shrink-o girl, i think she's pretty much done for as a superhero. She broke all her bones tryna pull the "antman Thanos butthole" strat. She actually shrunk smaller inside his mouth to dodge getting chewed but then couldn't get out so tried and failed the expand inside.
3. Rex guy still being alive after the bullet through the head is just plain comical but also not impossible, even in our own world
For me a major plot hole is that astronaut guy being allowed to go back to his apartment instead of being under Cecil's Pentagon place.
I don't know why Cecil not responding to Angstrom shorting out the house bugs and not having Debbie's phone bugged bothers me as much as it does. I did think that Angstrom would have been shot by invisible soldiers before Invincible showed up, what, Omni man left so the house guards got redistributed? That bothers me much more than Ray surviving. I liked this season and slowing the action down could serve a purpose but your points sound valid to me.
I agree 100%. I don't care about the comics. I'm sure all of this makes sense in the comics but TV is different. I don't care about Marks relationship with Amber and they wasted too much time on that. And nearly everyone that dies magically survives (Kates makes sense because it's smart) doesn't mean it works. Next time they kill someone off for real I won't care much if at all. That's a problem. Just because a lot of bad shit happens to Mark doesn't make him an interesting character. I'm honestly over him as a character already. Too vanilla. I'm more interested in Allen and Omniman.
Rex I think they can get away with, since he’s got a lotta weird stuff going on with his powers, Duplikate surviving makes a lotta sense, but I feel like the fake-out should’ve cooked longer, but Shrinking Rae should have absolutely died. Her “death” was too gruesome to not double down on
I agree I don't necessarily think this was the strongest season. But from reading the comics I KNOW that season three is going to be INSANE
This plays out pretty similarly to the comics if I'm remembering them correctly (I haven't read them since 2021). I remember reading them when angstrom was at Mark's house I was like "wait who is he?" so it was something I was hoping would improve in the show, but always expected season 2 to be a lull for a lot of people. Season 3 now... We are all not ready
I think the best thing about invincible is the things that’s holding it back. Animation.
It would benefit from having a longer episode count per season, but that’d be hell trying to animate and have come out on time. In my opinion, Only having 8 episodes a season makes it harder to cram in all the important world building and smaller storylines
I think that's a completely fair read of the season. I've read the comics and felt similarly around a lot of those moments as I was reading. After how incredible season 1 was, this season is more of a break as the story takes a bit of time to breathe and spread out... but yeah it's lacking a little. It's still GOOD but it's an 8 following up a 10.
Looking forward to more seasons, there's so much more to invincible that I can't WAIT to see.
The point of that show down with Levy to me was that mark sees what he could become and sees his future in that fight. It ends with him killing him and being alone on earth just like what his dad said would happen. He’s a superhero and a good person but he can’t escape that that’s his future and even if he wins he’ll be alone in the end and I think the moment with him flying over amber one more time was him kinda realizing he’ll never be that kid he was again because he’s fully Invincible now and his old life is gone forever. He didn’t lose the fight but he lost a piece of himself that he was still trying to hold onto all season
Defo recommend invincible. Something you can read in its entirety over a couple of weeks.
I actually agree with you even though I love the comics and there is a bit more death in them I think it would have been nice to see the sequins event play out differently.
Counter to that however I will say a big part of the comic, and from what I’m seeing the show too, is that whilst these characters might be “invincible” or have larger than life powers their not emotionally invincible and the way their lives are affected is the real story a lot of the time. Like you said duplikate and immortal are no longer superheroes due to the toll. Rex has a big character shift etc.
Completely agree with your takes. Not a compelling enough final villain and not enough stakes throughout.
Finally someone actually bringing up valid criticism of this let down of a season 2. Season 1 was spectacular. Season 2 was not mediocre, it was outright crap. The Anstrom plot line was pointless. They establish him in episode one, then he disappears essentially until the last episode, and he comes back superpowered for "reasons" and it is just another run of the mill fight between two sups. No arch were he realizes maybe this invincible is different, no clever plan to strand him in another dimension that invincible needs to get out of, just sups fighting. Then, and I can't believe no one is talking about this, the whole Guardians of the Globe show up and are like "yea we have a time machine and a inter-dimensional portal so here you go" was soooooo stupid.
I agree completely with everything you said about the death fake outs, completely ruined any idea that there are any consequences in this universe for any even semi important characters.
Also Mark's whole "I want to be a normal college kid" whole arch rings completely hollow. From day one he is called away and anyone with half a brain sees that there is no way he can live both lives. I mean if they are going to make "I want to be a normal college kid" a thing, show some time where it is working, it looks like he might be able to have the best of both worlds, then suddenly it slowly starts to fall apart, giving you know, some meaning to his ultimate decision to not chose to be normal, instead of like "no crap dummy".
Also can someone please explain to me why being conquered by the Viltraimtes is bad? In the show (which needs to stand on its own) it seems that if Earth just gives in, they will come, provide advanced medicine etc., kill dangerous aliens and monsters with ease, and generally make everything better. They killed the Thaxans, but that seems like it was space racism, and that logic doesn't look like is applies to Earth. Quite frankly if I was a normal person in that universe I would gladly vote to be ruled by the Viltramites based on what I have seen so far.
I have other issues, but those are the majors.
The problem with the Viltrumites is they're still conquering you, even if it will be good for you (big maybe on that). We see what happens when they conquer people my guy. It isn't good.
Can't agree more but the comic readers can't see it
My two issues with S2 are Mark is probably the least likable character in the season, and I'm not even sure it's close. I get that he doesn't want to be his dad, but he's also the protagonist of a TV show and spends 8 episodes mopping around.
Related, the writers make Mark so _incredibly_ stupid throughout the entire season just to make the plot happen, and the finale is by far the worst at this. Mark can move at 99% the speed of light, he _easily_ could have removed both he and Levy from the house but instead kept slowly and predictably flying right into portal and portal after portal. Just dreadful writing.
When the show's protagonist constantly plays down to the level of his adversaries there doesn't need to be creativity in the writing.
I have read.Up to the 12th if you issue of invincible and I don't know I can of agree with you.The death losing impact of they just survive.It's still a good show and I'm excited for what happens.I still get that feeling as well
shrink ray not dying i am super curious to see how they go forward casue of the changes from comic to screen. I don't mind most of it, Angstrom felt scary and honestly i enjoyed a lot of the building. THis feels like its definitely a set up season but i like how it shows the results of the first season in such a way where you feel the weight in every episode. It doesn't just reset status quo, Mark has this internal conflict and really plays well into how the finale ends itself. It's haunting to a degree. The rest of the guardians, maybe a lil wonky but overall i loved this season. Def season 1 is better, but this feels strong too for season 2. not as strong, but thats okay. I think its about to pick up harder for season 3.