Why Norway Is Insanely Well Designed
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- Why Norway Is Insanely Well Designed
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norwegian here. the fact that there are so many airports and flight traffic is exactly what doesen't make norway "incredibly well designed", or "sustainable/green" . The train network doesn't even connect together the second and third largest cities, bergen and trondheim, with a direct route, instead taking a detour all the way down to oslo.
also the Nordland Line, being the longest rail line in Norway, isn't even electrified ... still running diesel trains on such a long line is so ... un-Norwegian tbh
This!!! I live in Trondheim, and I know some people that study here that can't afford to go home up north because flight tickets costs more from here to Andenes than it does from here to Rome. I'm obviously biased, but I think the neglect from the government in terms of funds to improve infrastructure up north is laughable. Don't get me started on the roads up there either!!!
@@maqima I guess it would be a flight from Trondheim to Bodø and then over to Andenes ... well, sure it would take quite a bit more time, but I don't know how much more expensive it would be to take the bus from let's say Narvik over to Andenes instead of the plane all the way to Andenes.
Can't really complain about the road network to be honest
Norway also exports massive amounts of oil and gas. Nothing sustainable about this whatsoever.
I think the argument “Norway is incredibly well designed” should have finished with “for a country with such terrible geography”.
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@@rostad89Yeah
im norwegian (actually)
As a norwegain with great interest in infrastructure, Norway has a massive problem on its hands. Railway, the railway between the two biggest cities (bergen-oslo) is PACKED, its so packed that passenger trains are slower today than in 1975. And no money is being allocated to rail (outside of Oslo the capital) even tho the demand is SUPER high and a lot of people want to use train instead of plane. This is a very annoying situations spesially because we pollute so much with our plane activity.
I agree with you. Outside of the Oslo region rail absolutely sucks. I find it fascinating that busy routes in air traffic such as Bergen - Stavanger and Bergen - Trondheim aren't receiving a new railway line in combination with the E39 project given the drastic reduction in total costs compared to if a future government decided to build railway infrastructure.
@@benjamintomassennordahl7911 yes! I wish to see some high speed rail between the big cities and a ban on plane traffic between those points
@@navsnylter9020 I think high speed rail is a bit too optimistic given the potential cost. However, a similar railway system to what exists between Bergen and Oslo would be a clear improvement. I know plenty of people that have to travel along the western coast for work meetings and they hate the burden of having to travel to the airport, check-in, waiting, and all the other hassle. Compared to just getting on a train and being productive/sleeping. However, knowing the government, making future proof investment choices won't be happening anytime soon.
it's not only rail that is underdeveloped, but bus services as well. i live in a relatively large town (+30 000 inhabitants) down southeast and we should have so much better bus routes than we do now. even the small car-centric village in sweden i originally come from have more bus service than we do here, as buses are mainly focused on school kids over here. i would love to take buses more but i can't get to work and it just isn't economically justifiable when owning and driving a car is so much cheaper.
on another note, the absolute best thing about traveling with train in norway is the scenery, hands down the most beautiful country you can travel by train in.
ps. elsker brukernavnet ditt forresten!
@@benjamintomassennordahl7911 Rail is cheaper than roads
The reason why we have 4 of the top 10 busiest domestic air routes in the EU is largely due to the fact our rail network is so heavily neglected. Oslo is well-connected by rail, the rest of the country isn’t. The existing railway lines’ service is so slow (and often more expensive than the flight) that they don’t offer a suitable alternative to flying. If we bothered to invest more in rail we could easily reduce the demand for the Oslo-Bergen/Trondheim/Stavanger flights.
Not quite the reason, the real reason is the fact that Norway is quite big, well more correct very long, having a rail line would not be very efficient, it would take to long to travel. Smaller and more compact nations in the Europe makes rail lines more efficient, but Norway is to vast and big for that, It needs a good air line transportation. And that is not bad, Norway have done good making a lot of airports and having a lot of air line traffic from all across Norway and that is good.
@@SIeipner I think you are misinterpreting my argument. As a Norwegian myself I know well how elongated our country is, hence why I’m only arguing for rail to replace flights in the south where the distances are shorter. It’s close to impossible for rail to rival planes on the 2000km journey from Oslo to Tromsø, but they sure could on the ~500km journeys I referenced in my previous comment.
I also think it's inpart that many Norwegians can afford to fly when they travel.
Also, I have lived in Northern Norway where there is no rail connection, and where many places are entirely reliant on Widerøe's small passenger planes to get anywhere in a reasonable amount of time.
@@SIeipner if you look at the most realistic plans for railways in Norway (between major cities) are in the south of Norway, which is only the size of Switzerland (with only 500.000 less inhabitants) which I would agree is a good blueprint for building up “good railway”
@@erikrathesondb8622 but that’s not what providing the whole country would entail; as yes it wouldn’t be something that people would replace long distance travel with, but instead provide for better connectivity with the various regions of northern and western Norway, as no one would use the train to travel from Tromsø to Oslo but maybe Tromsø to Bodø would be better connected with rail instead of Viderøe flying to every small town to connect the regions
Sounds truly amazing when looked at from the outside and I'm very grateful to be Norwegian, but it's not as magical as you make it sound. As someone else pointed out, flying is so common because the railroad is neglected and expensive. I've travelled lots between Bergen, Oslo and Trondheim. Between Trondheim and Bergen I would never travel by train anyway, because it's via Oslo and takes 16 ish hours, plane takes 50 minutes.
Bergen-Oslo or Oslo-Trondheim I would chose train if it wasn't for constantly risking delays, having to change to a bus for half the route and it being expensive. It's less stress than flying, especially with kids and doesn't take much more time if we factor in travel to and from airport and the other time consuming parts of flying. We usually end up driving instead. Drove Trondheim-Bergen and back this summer, 12 hours each way.
The electricity we produce is mostly sold to other countries and then we have to buy it back at a higher price.. More and more services are being privatized, both lowering quality and raising costs, making it inaccessible to many people. Poverty is on the raise.
Finally a serious and true comment - I completely agree with everything you wrote - For ppl from the outside it might look like Utopia her but there's problems here too
Privatisation and outsourcing are gimmicks of modern day economics and these are always in favour of the authorities and finally against the interests of ordinary citizens.
Hi. American here. Maybe it sounds so great because of the way our infrastructure is here. (This next part is coming from someone who wants to travel via public transport.) I did the math and Oslo to Trondheim is roughly 305 miles. Similarly, If I wanted to go from my town to visit family about 310 miles away using public transport, this is what I am faced with:
Option 1: buy 5 bus tickets. (Not sure how much that's going to be for me.) The next bus leaves tomorrow afternoon. Then it will take about 15 hours to get to my destination.
Option 2: Buy 3 bus tickets and a train ticket and it will take me 17 ½ hours with the first bus leaving tomorrow afternoon. (I have taken this train before and it costs about $42 for the train ticket.) This train is only once a day and leaves at 12:35 AM.
Our infrastructure is so bad that we are forced to use cars if we want to get anywhere. The drive from the two points is 5 hours.
We have no planes that would make this trip any easier.
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@@Bubber_Bear
The US, the land of cars only...
(Almost).
Have you considered moving to Europe ?
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it is a myth that Norway supposedly was so poor before it hit oil. It found oil in 1969. Norway by then had comparable GPD per capital to the UK, Netherlands, Italy, Belgium and Austria. If you go far enough back, everyone was poor.
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Well a lot of our income has come through fishing as well
@@natibot Fishing exports, shipping industry pre ww2 was the biggest in Europe by far. We lost a lot of ships due to german subs and airplanes along with the sailors sadly. Also our coal industry was quite huge, at the turn of the 20th century we had a huge industry for shipping ice blocks to London in particular as refridgerators wasn't a thing yet.
Exactly. I’m so sick of that myth. It takes away from the hard working people of Norway by saying “You’re only rich because you found oil”
GDP does not equate to the lifestyle of the common folk. Norway had a huge lumbering, fishing and maritime industry for hundreds of years before we found oil, which made for a high GDP, but when people say Norway was poor they refer to what the lives of the poor were like, and in this regard Norway was the worst in Europe, not one of the worst, THE worst. From the dangers of the sea that people had to brave in order to get fish, to the crop yields, the awful education that came from being geographically isolated from the nearest schools and so on. It's not coincidence that Norway is the country on Earth that had the most emigration to North America per capita, 2% higher than Ireland who had a literal famine at the time.
As someone who live in Norway along that route. Would be nice if they also built a railroad at the same time that follows the new roads. It would be such a missed oppurtunity to not do it.
I actually responded to another commenter with exactly this. It would be such a great investment given that routes such as Bergen - Stavanger and Bergen - Trondheim, among the various other air routes in western Norway would all basically become uncompettive compared to quick, and environmentally friendly trains.
@@benjamintomassennordahl7911 I live in Ålesund. And closest train station is 2 hours away if I take a bus. Driving a car takes 1 hour 30 minutes. 😅
@@Ram2rol Exactly, while building a new railroad between Bergen and Trondheim would most likely intersect with Ålesund.
@@benjamintomassennordahl7911 it is the way
Spot on. I'm from Trondheim. Going to Stavanger or Bergen with train is a nightmare. The connection on the coast is so shit it ..... Oslo oslo oslo. Everything for Oslo...
Just try to live in north Norway for a month, and then revisit your video.
It cost me more to travel from Kirkenes to Oslo, than from Oslo to New York.
To travel to hospital, because of living on other side of fjord, i need more than 2 hours of driving during sommer,and in winter, roads are often closed.
Well there's a reason most people dont live up north.
infuriating hearing how my brother that lives in the South can fly to Europe on a tiny budget, while I'm like... "oh nice so my flight starts at 4000kr, with basically a mandatory over night lay over in Oslo, then a sleep over at Tromsø before continuing to Senja. it was faster to fly to Guatemala then it was to fly back from Guatemala .
@@parascitzo9455 Nå er det jo slik at vi er ett land og ikke ulike biter hvor noen får alt etter kjøttvekta og andre lite. Det er neppe økonomisk lønnsomt med hurtigtog til Bergen. Det er vel heller ikke økonomisk lønnsomt med tog nord for Bodø. Men må vi som nasjon velge vil jeg si at vi er langt bedre tjent med å gi hele landet togforbindelse enn å kun knytte sammen noen større byer. Varer er jo viktig å få over på transportmidler med grønn energi. Folk kan langt på vei, når de bor i byer, holde seg mer der og ikke farte unødvendig rundt. Vi må også huske på at tog ikke er veldig nyttig om det kun stopper på endestasjonene eller noen få stasjoner mellom. Men du har rett, de fleste bor ikke nord i Norge, men de fleste har relativt gode tilbud og får rett og slett finne seg i å vente på de våte egoistiske drømmene sine.
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@@AEngen06 til Sør Norge? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 pls
"Maybe we should start a separatist movement Free Northern Norway"
Det er ingen fly fra Oslo etter kl 23 så PST kommer ikke før imorgen 😏
Big spin going on here. Airports are needed in part because the road and rail systems outside of Oslo aren't particularly good. By the same logic you could say canada has an insanely good transport system because so many fly latidudinally across the country.
"The Norwegians have mastered the craft..."
"roads in Norway are equally impressive..."
"norway is so well designed and efficient because its peculiarities are integrated into one cohesive and organic system"
"...is done with great attention to sustainability and environment protection"
"Norway is the top producer of electricity per capita in the world"
Really? I'm no scientist, it just...doesn't seem that way.
Norway does produce the most electricity per capita, you can look it up
@@karl.63a1a0 May be, it doesn't seem that way though.
8:00 Woah, they did that all within 1960? That is impressive.
I'm VERY glad you mentioned that Yes we might use 98% renewable energy, But we are huuuge on oil. It's kind of hypocritical of us to expect others to do the same as us, while we make money on other countries inability to go green.
This has bothered me for a few years, because we looove to praise our own country up here. I hate it. But we could do worse at the same time. I'm merely trying to hold my country responsible.
Agree, Norway exports ton of Oil and Gas and Its economy is dependent heavily on Oil and Gas.
@@saurabh_mahurkar: We first got rich on renewable energy though and we are far past being dependent on oil and gas. Our production of oil and gas is far more environmentally friendly too. But to say that Norway is unsustainable because otherwise oil and gas consumers would just buy it from the Middle-East, seems weird to me. It's like blaming the local grocery store for your overeating.
@@jeschinstad I agree Jo, I am not blaming norway for it :)
Keeping supply higher does lower the cost of crude oil, slowing the adaptation of renewable energy. Relatively lower costs of legacy systems take away an incentive to change.
Ironically the high profits made in selling oil also helps pay for the costs of being green.
one of the few countries that could do something similar to norway is australia
both have remarkably similar starting points but boy did australia fuck it up in comparison
Norway's amazing and interconnected infrastructure makes driving through Swedish to get from North to South faster and cheaper than driving through Norwegian roads. On top of this, domestic flights are much more expensive than flying internationally.
Who would have thought that going through Sweden is a better way of getting to a different place in Norway than actually just going through Norway; says a lot about how it’s to travel north to south in Norway
@@oddmahttesara773 Sweden is flat and Norway is covered in fjords and steep rocky mountains.
@@oddmahttesara773 Tunnels through 12321 mountains and a million bomstasjoner
@@oddmahttesara773 Inland route is not too bad actually. E6 route that is. Sweden is still better though. But flatter landscape and easier landscaping due to ground soil makes it less of a challenge though.
@@oddmahttesara773 On top of that, our government wants us to move to those places... With few jobs, dwindling populations and amenities, and no additional incentives, while making it difficult for the inhabitants to travel outside the districts, due to poor roads and expensive transportation. They're delusional if they think it's a tempting proposition.
The scenery doesn't weigh up for all the negatives, for most people.
I'll call it "Insanely Well Designed" when they merge their train and buss stations. Looking at Hønefoss and Gol here with a 10 and 30 minute hike between the stations respectively...
Oh, the pain is real with this one
Having relatives in hønefoss i feel this pain ;(
Sounds rough, I've been to Gol and thought about the same thing. Living in the Sandnes area in Rogaland, most of the bigger cities along the railline have central stations for bus, like Stavanger, Sandnes, Bryne and Egersund, maybe a couple more in between, smaller stations have at least a bus stop next to the train station
I don't think I've ever watched a video about my own country that I've related so little to, lol
Our transportation infrastructure outside of Oslo is bad, and unless you live in a city you'll need a car to get around. Our rail system is expensive, crowded and too small, and yet all our politicians care about is building new roads
I wouldn't say they only care about building roads. It's important to have a good road network, most comparable countries also have pretty good road network between large cities compared to Norway. For example the highway between Oslo and Stavanger has been in the works for around 60(!!) years, but they can never find funds or agree on where the route should go if they were to build it - luckily they now have. Oslo area has received large amounts of funds for infrastructure compared to other places. Look at the recent Follobannen scandal that cost almost 40 billion NOK, when they cant find 16 billion to build Rogfast which is or at least was very recently the most socio-economically profitable project in the country.
Above the polar circle, nothing is really "well-connected", there's even places without road connection, and the roads go in and out of the fjords instead of crossing them.
The railway is nonexistent, and ferries have to stay put because of a slight breeze across the fjord.
Norway is insanely well designed because Slartybartfast is a genius.
He won an award, you know.
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was going to be upset if somebody hadn't posted this.
Rogfast is not even close to Bergen. It starts in Stavanger (technically in Randaberg but it's counted as the same city according to the Norwegian bureau of statistics) and goes across Boknafjorden in Rogaland fylke. The current longest undersea road tunnel is already in Stavanger and is a part of this same project, connecting the area called Ryfylke with Jæren. Also it's not scheduled to open by 2026 anymore, new approximation is 2031. They started to build it in 2018 but after spending a couple of billion NOK they figured it would be too expensive and used almost 4 years to decide if they should continue or not, luckily they decided to go ahead with the project.
Randaberg is Stavanger North, Sandnes is Stavanger South; don't believe them if they tell you otherwise, Randaberg is just like Belgium, it doesn't exist.
I've lived in both Oslo and Bergen, and roads in Norway are far from impressive by nordic standards. You only have to travel across the border to Sweden and the quality of roads noticeably increases (potholes, maintenance, plowing, size of lanes, sidewalks etc.). People where I lived were always very unhappy about the state of roads in their area. I think you need more hands on sources for videos like this and not just look at numbers.
Oslo is overated they get everything
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The Europa-standard roads are mostly ok though. But not all.
Rogfast is being built under Boknafjorden further South. Between Stavanger and Haugesund.
This is what happen when a country is well managed and uses the profit of its natural resources to improve the standard of living for of its population instead of making a few people/company very rich. Wish more countries were like this instead of being so corrupt and dysfunctional.
Cough russia cough
Yes not lack de us de car nation
To be fair their natural resources VS population size (+-5.4 million) is really good for them, it's no wonder they are this wealthy.
@@BernardVisagieThere are a lot of small countries in terms of population size rich in natural resources that are not doing this well. Places in Central Asia, the Middle East and elsewhere in Asia whose wealth from natural resources have not been wisely used nor equally distributed at all. It just sucks that some people are born in those places while others are born in places like Norway due to pure luck.
Stop hyping countries that supports tiny population with all the giant countries that supports 100s of millions of people.
When a country with 5 million people has so much resources which can afford 47 billion for an underwater highway they can plan better. Why don't all these genius countries share their ideas, step up and try solve other poor countries problems instead of bragging
As a Norwegian who lives all the way up north, we pretty much don’t exist to the government at all.
As someone who lives all the way west, at least that means that the taxman isn't coming around as often...
@@HrHaakon LOL true
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The same goes for the south regions. I tried to tell a group of people from the North that i lived close to Oslo, but a couple of hours away. They just said it was Oslo but just a little to the west. Lol. Norway thinks everything is Oslo and not Oslo, or Oslo a little to the left.
Ong, if you don’t live in Oslo you ain’t shit. I remember gaping at the metro system in Oslo. I live all the way on the west
Norway being poor before the oil is a persistent myth.
Then why did so many Norwegians emigrate to the US in that period?
@@Dayvit78
The later migrations were of people who actually had money.
To put it more in perspective, since we didn't have a lot of farmland, a lot of the earlier migrations were poorer people wanting to work their way out of poverty. But there's a reason we were taught that 1850 was the start of modern history when I went to High School in Norway: Industrialization happened there. Due to various reasons (cold war with Sweden, no farmland and people needing work being two), the economic opportunities offered by industrialization were seized with both hands immediately.
So after the 1850s came around, there were still people moving to the US but now there were far fewer poorer, and far more people who wanted to move to a country with more opportunities. These were often skilled craftsmen, hence why Mark Twain famously said that the "Irish and Dutch don't amount to much, but give me a Scandinavian".
In other word, Norway stopped being poor because of industrialization, not because of oil. By the time of the 1960s, we were already a well established industrialized nation with a pretty good GDP, and emigration was no longer because of poverty.
Damn im from norway and I didnt even know XD
@@HrHaakon and now we have the tax emigration
@@HrHaakon people forget per capita. Norway having a relatively low population, poor people leaving the country for fortune, the numbers are very misleading
Short answer: Oil + Money Management.
Well spended oil money and culture i will say as person who lived in Norway for a while
I mean, a lot of (mostly European) countries would be able to manage that money just as well. Most just don't have oil reserves like they do.
@@laiswith2dots thats why i put "+", you need both of these to become as rich as norway
@@laiswith2dots My a greek person who thinks that if Greece had oil reserves probably would be like European version of Venezuela 😂
Yet, Norway and Norwegians don’t benefit from the oil money; as stated in the video, it’s invested in a national sovereign fund, which is used as a piggy bank; so yeah, money management is a part but that’s not why Norway is what it is today
I really enjoyed the video but I think that its very important to make the difference between energy supply and electricity supply clear.Because yes the electricity generation in Norway ist basiclly completly renewable,but the total Energy supply is actually 52 % oil and gas (International Energy Agency-Energy Policy Review 2022).
Error; Norway, Sweden and Denmark were not united in 1814. 1814 was the year when Norway was transferred from the Danish-Norwegian Union to Sweden, to form the Swedish-Norwegian Union.
The three countries were only united in the periods of the 13th and 15th century through the Kalmar Union and a series of personal unions.
Yes! The visual in the video is incredibly misleading.
To put into perspective how long norway is, I am from Arendal, and if i wanted to drove to my relatives in the northern town of hammerfest, it would take longer then for me to drive to rome! Norway is pretty god damn long 😅
The long part is northern Norway, Arendal to Trondheim is comparable to other countries with similar populations (like Switzerland)
Not only is the distance from Lindesnes to Nordkapp the same as from lindesnes to rome, it's actually a 5 hour drive shorter to get to rome! Even considering the Alps and Skagerrak
@@oddmahttesara773 I'm sorry. The area of Switzerland is more comparable to the southern part of norway from Haugesund to Moss
*drive
*Rome
In a sense it means you live more in the "middle" or "centre" of Europe than somebody from, let's say, Brussels, haha.
The secret of the renewable energy lies in the mountainous regions. high altitude water reserves store incredibly much potential energy.
Countries like Nepal, Bhutan or Paraguay do the same with electricity
However, Norway have an advantage over countries by the Himalayas. Since Norwegian mountains are much older, the sedimentary deposits in the water are far less. The same high quality turbines have a far longer life-span in Norway than for instance in Pakistan.
Yet flat Sweden is not far behind in hydroelectric power
As other have pointed out, it's a bit of a spin with the transport infrastructure.
Rail is well-connected in an around the Oslo area, and is also arguably the only city where you can commute by rail from more than one point. In Bergen you can commute from Arna (still in the same municipality). In Trondheim you can technically commute from either Melhus or Hommelvik/Stjørdal, but the trains go max. once per hour, so bus is more viable. Oslo is also the only city with a metro, and the only one with a proper tram network. Bergen recently got its second light rail line, so that's a bit of a contender. The tram in Trondheim is still operating but is still a ghost of its former self.
For intercity transport (between the major cities), rail works if you're going to or from Oslo, but is inconvenient otherwise. Rail from e.g. Bergen to Trondheim will take you 15h (via Oslo), and is often as expensive, if not more, than flying direct, which takes 1h. For the same leg, bus doesn't even seem to be an option anymore. So for any distance that is more than 6-7 hours, flying is likely the best (consumer) option.
Norway does produce an outstanding amount of its electricity greenly, and is one of the countries that have very much adapted EVs, we could still do much better with rail infrastructure as a much greener alternative than flying. And outside the major cities, Norway is heavily car-dependent.
Another note:
In your graphic highlight of Denmark-Norway, Sweden was also included in the marker there, but was not part of the union.
And the government is trying to reduce the number of cars, but makes no distinction between people that have other alternatives and those that don't. So any policy in that area harms people that live outside of major cities a lot.
Yeah no, not really. I live in northern Norway, Lofoten and Leknes specifically and I am bound to take a plane if I really want to travel the country. I am dependent on my car to get around, and even then it is pretty expensive considering gas, and the fare to take the ferry and tolls. There are rarely busses going here, up to max 3-4 a day per destination. Want to get to bodø from Leknes? A 20 minute flight will be about 60-70 dollars for a youth ticket. Trains are also horrible here in the north. The thought of taking a train to for example Oslo has never struck me. It essentially costs the same, or even more, than a standard plane ticket, and takes 18 hours or more by train.
They should have made it a rail line.
@@benjii_boi No we fucking dont. Norway has built almoast no rail lines since the end of the second world war, and the infrastructure that does exist has not been well maintianed. Trains often get canceled and replaced with busses beacuse the rail infrastructure is falling apart. Norway also has no high speed lines unless you count Flytoget, wich according to most definitions is not high speed. Norway needs more rail and it does definatly not need more roads.
@@benjii_boi No no it doesn't, it doesn't even have proper rail infrastructure that is heavily neglected let alone high speed rail, that road infrastructure is not needed, investing back in rail is what is Needs.
bUt It’S tOo ExPeNsIvE tO bUiLd RaIl In NoRwAy
I have lived in both the far north, and the east of Norway as well as some places in between. In the north air travel might get you somewhere in a matter of hours instead of a matter of days, that's how much of a difference travel method can make there. In the east everywhere is well connected by electrified rail to the rail hub of Oslo making travel a breeze. In both locations you might be surprised by the number of electric cars and charging stations you will run across.
But should the north be satisfied with “only” being connected with airlines?
@@oddmahttesara773 There's also roads (with busses going between population centers) and boats. It takes a long time.
As for rail. I would personally be ecstatic if we could get rail up here, although, I am afraid it's not realistic anytime in the near future due to the huge distances and low population.
@@Jo-Heike Not only the low population, but also elevation from the mountains and fjords. Trains are really bad at inclines. Norway is (as our number of dialects prove) not ideal for travel across land. But another big issue is the extreme focus on Oslo, seems everyone lives or works there when it comes to public transport.
@@Jo-Heike realistic? What don’t you think is realistic? The fact that we have low population and long distance is also a problem for busses, put we still have them (even for a loss) because transportation is (like healthcare) a service and not a commercial product; and also trains are first and foremost for freight, having passenger service is just a byproduct of using rails to the fullest
@@Rurix48 do you think Norway is the only country with challenging geography? Look at how Switzerland with their valleys and mountains are connected and how the average sized town of Switzerland (50000-100000) are connected
I live in Ski, the Follo line was cool until it caught on fire...twice...but now its up and running correctly just a few months behind schedule. Very nice addition to the infrastructure saves a lot of time daily
oh wow it did? I lived in ski last year for an internship just before the follo line was opened and I would have loved to have it haha
Norwegian here.
This praise is not deserved. In fact our infrastructure is really bad. Trains are a tragedy the last 30 years, roads take way too long to get built.
The only thing we can truly be proud of is our drilling and tunnel techniques and qualifications, alongside bridge construction -we are undoubtably among the best in the world at that.
Probably not very high at all on human rights either as your gvt. has never followed the Constitution, but rather seems to do whatever they want, viewing the citizens as nothing but peasants. 'Der totale kontroll' seems to live on in that police state. Only made possible by a dumbed-down and sleeping population.
Oh man, roads taking too long to build is such an issue; the damn projects are decades out of date when they are finally built. Not a problem all the time, but you can definitely tell that things should have been made differently even if it's not a huge problem that time.
Just going to comment that, the fact that the flight traffic is so high is because of our train network being so neglected. I lived in Oslo and didn’t think about how good the trains were but after moving to trondheim I can see that it’s seriously lacking with connected train routes in Norway.
Seriously, only real place you can use the trains is within oslo and surrounding areas, and even then it can be a pain if its not a big town.
getting anywhere else requires either driving or flying, why bother with a 6hr incrdibly expensvie train when you can fly form oslo to bergen in 50 minutes for cheap.
Norway has embraced a development model that takes into account 3 types of sustainable development, economic, social, and environmental. The model is known as Campbells triangle and is taught to all planning students. All plans made by the Norwegian administrative system should work through this lense. And Norway has a legal framework to support this.
Yet the case of Fosen is still something that did not go to plan, or did it?
@@oddmahttesara773 Great example that proves my point 😂
7:57 the graph just says 1960 XD
I know right, to achieve all this progress in just one year 👏😮💨
Just clarifying the passage at 8:35 about the shift between Denmark/Norway/Sweden
1814 Norway became independent from Denmark, had her own constitution and was forced into a union with Sweden.
The union between Norway and Sweden was a union between two independent states, each of which had its own national assembly and its own constitution.
The union consisted in the states having a common king and a joint foreign policy; all foreign policy issues were dealt with in Stockholm,
leaving Norway with an uneven position, not having its own consular service with Norwegian consulates abroad.
This was considered by the Norwegians to be a clear indication of the country’s subordinate position in the union.
1905 Norway passed a resolution unilaterally dissolving the union with Sweden. (With a few bumps in the road)
Norwegian here, the railway system in Norway is not very good if you are not around Oslo. If u live in The north (above Bodø) u dont have any railway.
And dont get me started on the healthcare situation up there
One correction at the end: Norway did not have one of Europes lowest GDP per capita before they found oil. They were basically right in the middle of western countries. Not as rich as UK or Sweden, but far wealthier than for example Finland, Spain, Portugal etc.
It is a common myth that Norway supposedly was super poor before they found oil. But it is just a myth.
The ferry crossings between Bergen and Stavanger were among the highlights of my recent road trip to Norway 😢 but I imagine for people who live there they must be quite a pain…
on the contrary, of all my friends and family I know only one person who prefers the tunnel, and he works in the state run road company 🤣
Those tunnels are dreadful to drive in, and the ferry is a much welcomed break from the drive! Fresh air and a nice view. The tunnels are first and foremost driven by commercial transport gain I believe
Norway has half the population of Portugal and should have a good public transport network , and there should be an investigation into why railways were not developed and who profiteers from it not being developed
The Rogfast is not in Bergen, its under Boknafjorden between Stavanger and Haugesund
Which source told you that Norway was amongst the poorest countries in GDP per capita before the discovery of oil? Numbers tell a completely different story, Norway was among one of the richest countries in the 1960s even looking back to the start of 1900 Norway was above average in GDP per capita. Even though oil took Norway to another level, it was one of the biggest shipping industries (3rd biggest already in 1870). Fishing and wood exportation also made sure the country had a decent economy well before the discovery of oil in 1969. We did indeed lay behind a lot of the western nations during this period, but to say it was one of the poorest countries in Europe is quite misleading.
as a norwegian: I don't feel like this is that accurate!
It really isn't, it's pretty much just repeating myths about how amazing Norway is.
I'm swedish but got close my sister is norwegian and i love being in norway so very nice place
While Norway is better designed than a lot of countries, having to rely on car and air infrastructure instead of a good train network is nothing to be proud of.
even in the far north you don't really depend on having a car or having an airport nearby; You can count on a spread-out public transportation network based on buses throughout the countryside as well
We actually have a good rail system where people live. Also to the largest cities which again have their own railway network.
@@lpdude2005 We have a "good" railway system in the east. Along the western coast, where roughly 20% of people and 60% of exports originate from, there is little to no rail infrastructure, except for the rail lines leading to Oslo. Even those are terribly underfunded running slower than they did in the 70's and at max capacity. Rather government's have for decades prioritised the shortening of minutes of people's commutes in Oslo, rather than investing in safe, clean, and efficient infrastructure in the rest of the country.
Why is that nothing to be proud of?
@@SIeipner Because having a solid railway system is much better for the environment and usually for consumer's pockets. Furthermore, when your options of visiting your family five hours away is only car or plane. It quickly becomes a hassle rather than a relaxing trip.
The fact that you started the video with talking about the Rogfast ans then marking it wrongly on the map makes me take everything with a grain of salt that comes out of this channel.
Oslo and Trondheim are remote population centres? Ehh... I mean, yeah, globally speaking, but...
Comparing number of airports to the UK makes no sense - the UK is more compact with a far higher population density. To an American, driving coast to coast east-west or north-south doesn't even take that long.
Driving is far more practical in such a small place that can be reasonable connected.
going from Land's End to Thurso takes 14 hrs to drive 1,300 km; From the southern to northern tip of Norway is takes 30 hrs to drive 2,400 km via Sweden
As a Norwegian i would say to make norway a truly great designed country, we need more railway and People
No. Not more people but definitely railway
As a Norwegian, I had to laugh at your claim. The rail road between Oslo and Bergen was begun building around 1900, and is not finnished. Is is possible to travel all the way, but by utilysing differnt other rails. Now they are deperately trying to finish double rail inside the city limit of Bergen, almost finished 2 km. In the current vote camaign, the prime minister prominister promisted an amount similar to 30 mill euro to help build the railwai towards Oslo that is most prone to stone slides
Norwegian here. This video seems a lot more optimistic than I feel things are going. We are very car dependent, and only the biggest cities has really started doing actions to be less car focused. Train has not been prioriticed. Also we have a lot of eggs in the oil and gas sector basket, eating up heads and hands from other industries.
Things are good here, but we are usually quite self critical with our society. So this super optimistic video feels kind of wierd. Maybe it is a culture thing 🤷♂️
Oh yes thank you fellow citizen of the kingdom! But try to say this a fellow Norwegian and they think you’re crazy for thinking that Norway should be less car centric; what you think that every little town and village just be connected to the rest of the country with reliable frequent collective transportation?!? Are you mad?!? Such a task is not possible with our geography!!! It drives me crazy, thinking that that’s how my fellow Norwegian think
As a Swede, I don’t think the Norwegians watching this video actually take you seriously or even give slight interest in your stance considering what they say in the comment section.
So what does Slartibartfast think of this? I mean he took FOREVER working on all the fiddledebits, in fact I think he even one an award for Norway's original design. You really need to get his take on this project.
They will tunnel under all of his fjord fiddly bits! :D
I think that it's nice that he made the fjords deep enough that if you dump a body into it and weigh it down it will NEVER be found, but it does make infrastructure more expensive than it would be otherwise.
I was looking for a comment mentioning this before even watching the video. I'm so happy i found yours.
@@lvkas9273 I was hoping it was the 42nd comment!😀
Was looking for this reference
thanks for complimenting my country
1:25
The flat areas isn't do much to the south where that green area is as in the east where you marked Oslo and then it goes northwards towards Trondheim for quite some distance as well as eastwards towards Sweden.
You don’t need to use ferrys to travel North. Several roads in Norway. You shoose your favourite Road..
Hello danish man
Interesting video. I’d love to know more about the way they are funding it all. It still baffles me how a country can be considered ‘greener’ just because they sell their fossil fuels abroad. The fuel still gets burnt so I don’t really see how it benefits the world as a whole
Good point
It doesn't. It's all just an image game. Just like Germany isn't nearly as green as they've lead the world to think of them as.
The infrastructure is funded like in many countries, through the tax system. Norway uses mostly hydro and wind to produce electricity so it exports it's fossil fuels. You are right it isn't green to export fossil fuels, but neither is the export profile of any other country in the world at the moment. The real positive this video is driving at I believe is the way the Norwegian administrative system is able to get alot more for the resources it puts in to projects because of smart Design and planning.
Mostly funded by high taxes, we dont use much of the oil profits
@@Impetuss Very true, but no one outside of Norway seems to understand that 👍
Good video, but ive spotted some errors. Trondhelm and Narvil on the road network map. And every year on the GDP graph is 1960
And also the stat`s pension-fund(oil-fund), was founded in 1990 , Not 1960
This would be an interesting video without all the propaganda. Just read all the coments contradicting your points but to be honest all of this types of channels do the same thing. Great editing though even if the analysis is a hot mess
6:00 That is the Eemshaven in The Netherlands.
Yes!! Because Norwegian actually hate wind turbines and would never agree to this kind of thing destroying the view; just look at how ugly these things are!!!
As an norwegian I love videos glorifying what we think of as problems.
They also invented salmon
Do you have a source? Because I have not heard or seen anything of investment into salmon; all of that salmon are just fished up by giant foreign ships, almost nothing is left for the Norwegian who lives by the fish
The train doesn't go up to Northern Norway past Bodø, which means it does not connect to the two northern "fylkene"
Imagine if Qatar had done like Norway instead of burning 200 billion dollars on the FIFA World Cup...
Qatar and the citizens have the atrocious Kafala system for migrant workers so don't expect anything beneficial to be extended other to themselves...
@@leotestoy486
But Qatari citizens are a minority.
2 things, Rogfast doesn't go near Bergen, it's in Boknafjorden, right outside Stavanger,
and it might open in 2031 per SVV, not 2026, but i doubt it.
This video tells very little about Norway's infrastructure design. However, the things mentioned aren't genius or incredibly efficient: underground rail, large number of airports are exactly show of inefficient design.
Yes thank you fellow citizen of the kingdom!! Please preach this message that I’ve tried to say to people for a long time!! I dislike the fact that airports are the main mode of transport for so many people
11 of the 47 airports in Norway are in Finnmark, a 48 618 km² (18 771 square miles) region with a population of 75 863, a wild coastline crammed with fjords and islands and a huge highland plateau inland. There really isn't any other option than planes for fast travelling in such conditions. It's a similar story, although not quite as extreme, along much of the coastline further south.
@@tessjuel Often times solution to a problem simply requires more project planning than governments are willing to care for (or don't think can be justified for the extended time) and the cheapest short term option is agreed upon. In such cases the condition for _efficiency_ still isn't met; the solution chosen might be the a great decision for the time being, but ultimately inefficienct design is unsustinable when the actual time of infrasteucture's usage is considered.
you are clearly missunderstanding the geography we are dealing with here. planes are by FAR the best transportation method up in the unpopulated north. cost much much less, is much much faster, is much much better for the environment. building a giant road noone is using is not eficcient
Norway has invested $47 billion to turn the E39 road into an engineering masterpiece, building the world's longest and deepest underwater road tunnel in the process. Norway's diverse terrain has made it a great challenge to develop a sustainable and efficient transportation system, and it has done so by diversification through four pillars: roads, railways, ferries, and airports. The Norwegians have mastered the craft of exploiting the peculiar terrain of each region, and all of this is done with great attention to sustainability and environmental protection. As a result, Norway is ranked as one of the greenest countries in the world, with almost 98% of its energy coming from renewable sources. In my opinion, Norway's approach to infrastructure development is truly impressive, given the harsh terrain they have to contend with, and their commitment to sustainability is admirable. Their transport system is well designed, and the distribution of railways, roads, ferries, and airports has been done in a genius way that serves the population effectively.
Norway well connected? 💀. Only Oslo, not the rest of the country… And you say the rail mainly connect the South, why? Beacuse they are only in the South… Also Follobanen have been a disaster. While air travel is not anywhere near affordable.
You must lack general logic. The railway in Norway is actually very good and the speed will improve. The people live in the south - therefore. The Folloban has a problem - but it is solved quite quickly. Why are you talking down something that actually works considering all the countries you can compare it to. There are no people living in the north and Norway is as long as Oslo to Gibraltar or three times longer than Germany. It is difficult to build a railway for that stretch, especially because no people live there.
I was an electrician at the part of the new E39 road between Kristiansand and Mandal, the road is nice if you look past the fact that you have to pay tolls to drive on it😅 and you can drive at 110km/h there too
😅 better than Iceland’s 90km/h
3:20 you meant *domestic* airline routes in Europe
But still the point still stands, little Norway has number that can be compared with Spain and Italy (countries with massive populations compared to Norway) and Spains flights are to the islands that can’t be connected by land, compared to Norway which can connect the biggest cities with something else than planes but doesn’t
as a finnish person ive always been a little envious of norway but love it all the same it is the only country that i have been thinking of moveing to if finland keeps stagnateing
also love the way i see pepole from norway shitting on sweden like us in finland always remeber sweden gay
I'd love to see you make a video on Sweden, you always have very high quality! //A neighbouring Swede ;)
I am from Norway , and we are about 0.07% (yes, zero point ZERO seven percent) of the world population as of writing this. And somehow people here believe that if we use electric cars, special shopping bags and eat less meat we will save the planet? ... yeah right! The only way forward is technological development and education in which case only 0.000000013% of the world population (one person) can make a difference.
His channel
makes everything WELL DESIGNED 😂
As long as he gets clicks
It’s hilarious that a sovereign wealth fund derived entirely from oil has divested itself from…OIL
If your economy is at risk of haveing to much exposiure to one single sector of industrie or finance,, the ony thing to do is to diversify. Its common sence.
Because the mindset of Norwegian are: get the most out of it before it comes back to haunt us, like the whole idea is to have something after it’s depleted, so that we don’t need to worry about the day that there’s no more oil
@@oddmahttesara773 ye thats dumb they need to find a way to get money fast oil will become NOTHING when electric cars are really popular
To answer the question: it was the award winner Slartibartfast 😃 and the answer to the most important question is 42
For anyone wanting to visit Norway, you should come to my hometown of Kristiansand for Palmesus (a festival). And get a glimpse of what summer is like in Norway. Then, you can travel upwards to the north and see northern Norway to see that part of it also (which is probably what most people want to see anyway, because their own country cant offer that climate)
I live in Kristransand. You have 60% chance of rain during the festival. Just a FYI.
@@10957558 Yeah that's true🤣
I love how detailed these amazing videos from this Channel are!!!
I think the missing context is also that Norway has a tiny population but huge access to oil and gas resources and thus disproportionate revenues relative to its population size. So in some ways the fact that it’s infrastructure is not even better designed is as much of a story.
Norwegian transportation is expensive and inefficient due to many different payment systems. Travel food is overpriced and mediocre. You need a small miracle every time you use a bus plus a ferry, train or a fast boat. Flying in the north is like flying to another country far away. Lots of things are connected to the capital Oslo because the mountain geography in other places is so dysfunctional. Norway is basically a big mountain range with the weather of California and Alaska. Lots of people hate electric cars because the range goes down every time there is a blizzard. The oil fund feels more and more like theft of social infrastructure on behalf of a failing US empire.
tbh I can't complain about the public transportation network even far up north; It might not be for profit, but still allows some flexibility without being car dependent; Only once I had issues not to be able to take a flight and with the boat not getting to my destination
As someone who doesnt live in the capital, I never really travel through the capital. It happens, but it's rare. Going north is not really an issue. Flight connections are good. I travel extensivily for work. But yes, flying along the coast of Finmark feels like another country, or even another planet. Tells you how diverese the country is. That said, weather will cause you issues when you travel. So best take that into account. Living on the north east coast of the atlantic has i'ts downsides.
@@EnjoyFirefighting you’re quite lucky then
@@aqidon for at jeg skal fra Tromsø til Trondheim så blir det gjennom Oslo eller melkeruten, men helst fortell mer om at været kan noen ganger være problematisk og at tog er ikke en bra løsning for Norge
Norway actually is only country neighbor with Russia 🇷🇺 Canada 🇨🇦 USA 🇺🇸 UK 🇬🇧 Germany 🇩🇪 by water all same distance from trondheim and bergen making it worlds busiest shipping lane after Somali ocean.
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As a Norwegian I have to admit that I don't like the concept of E39 highway. Norway is such a beautiful country, why are we going to ruin it by forcing people to drive several hundred kilometers in a dark tunnel underwater? All the ferries and mountain passes are what makes Norway amazing. If I am going on a road trip, it's to see the country. Not sit in a dark tunnel until I arrive at the next big city..
That’s it, I’m deciding to move to Norway, as this is the kind of development and future thinking that I want from my country
It's a nice country.
But make sure that you know *exactly* what you're getting yourself into first...
It's not all a paradise...
"Shubham Sahamate" moving to Norway lol. Go back to where you came from, Norway belongs to Norwegians
Trust me, don't get carried away with all these videos talking about how much of a paradise it is. I'm very grateful I'm born and raised here, but there are becoming more and more problems here because of lack of competence from our government
"Norway Is Insanely Well Designed"
Norway: Public transport completely stops when it is cloudy, raining, cold and/or snowing
Me, a Norwegian: ..My country is very good..
The UK used that type of money on their Track and Trace app
At least you got an awesome app for it in return 🤣
@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 ikr, that app has been so helpful that people will probably more likely get COVID from using the app! I was pinged once and asked to do the COVID test after seeing someone who had COVID and I did the test and was negative and I hadn't even seen anyone!
@@heidirabenau511 i know. Sarcasm ;)
@@heidirabenau511 They do that because of people like you that actually goes along with it.
Norwegian are: We STILL haven't got railroad that goes further north than Bodø. HALF THE COUNTRY, FFS! Most of the road AND airport infrastructure in many places in Norway and MOST of the places in northern-Norway is the infrastructure the Germans built during WW2.
Well not all accurate, the Folloline was open for one week before getting closed and the trains are always delayed. And we build some horrible ugly buildings
I’m Norwegian and i have to say that you pronounced “Bergen” very good.
Its not that great now, few roads, very little motorways, therefore small and slow speed limits. Great country otherwise
not really few roads, they still connect every place ... of course you won't dig a dozens of miles long tunnel to connect to a village of 100 inhabitants though, but have a more winding mountain road instead
@@EnjoyFirefighting Still there aren't a lot of motorways and railways suck, which for one of the richest countries in the world is not that good. This channel instead presents it as heaven instead, confirming again that they don't know what they're talking about, as addressed by many other similar channels.
@@Hastdupech8509 of course there aren't lots of highways; Most of them somewhere around the capital city, down to the Swedish boarder, down alongside the coastline, up nearby Trondheim and that's it, and that's actually sufficient for the population it serves, it just doesn't require a highway to serve e.g. a town like Narvik up in the north.
Long distance rail might not be great but there's some - way more than you could expect from many countries; Local rail services are quite good to some extend around the larger cities.
Oslo's airport is better connected via rail than Munich airport in Germany is, think about that.
Well an autobahn road is more useful where there are flare spaces and an population to need one
7:58 The year 1960 sure had a lot of GDP variation
Norway also has huge gas and oil reserves so infrastructure investment can be accomplished with few objections.
But the money from oil is not put into the government budget but rather a foreign wealth fund. The money used for infrastructure is generated through taxes, and tolls.
Few objectives?!? What are those??
The myth that Norway was poor before the oil takes away from the hard working people of Norway. It’s not true at all, in fact Norway was one of the richest countries in Europe per capita long before we found the oil.
Even if we subtract the money we make from oil from our GDP today, our GDP per capita is equal to that of Sweden.
I live in the Stavanger area and in my opinion the rail network in this area is superb. Very well kept trains that travel at 100+ km/h, making almost zero sound, very comfortable suspension in the cabins, you barely feel movement when you're sitting down, it's always on time and it's quick, clean. That said, I like to get on a plane and fly to Oslo in 30 minutes lol.
Why are they building roads instead of a railway line?
Population density, topographical and geotechnical issues. Rail lines also require much softer curvatures than roads. Rail isn't always the most sustainable solution if the construction require 10x more pollution and seizing of nature. Especially when the amount of people traveling can be covered by a two lane road. I've taken trains in Norway where I'm the only passenger sitting in the train for the last 20 min of the ride, that is not sustainable at all.
Your first point about the challenges: you do know there are other countries that also have these challenges like Switzerland, and still they have some of the worlds best train services; and with construction of rail being 10x worst than roads, yes, construction is very intense, but the maintenance of rail compared with road is night and day with the maintenance of road being very intense in the long run, and for the seizure of nature: you do know that a two lane road has the same width as a single lane rail; and for people not using rail: have you thought about the fact that people don’t use rail because it in its current state is not very useful for many people
@@oddmahttesara773 Switzerland isn't comparable at all, first of all it has 14 times high population density than Norway and a much milder climate. Mainland Norway has a frost depth of up 3m as well and more challenging geotechnical issues due to former glaciers.
If you were to create a high speed rail between the biggest cities in Norway which is Bergen to Oslo to Trondheim (7000km), you would probably have 5000km+ of it in tunnels. The cost would be astronomical and would only be justifiable if Norway had at least 10x its current population.
As I said, trains aren't ALWAYS the most sustainable solution.
This quality of design in Norway is achieved to a great extent by its devolved administrative system. It turns out the more democracy the better. I am biased though as a Norwegian planning and administration student 😸
Who would have tought lol.
I imagine it is a lot easier to do in a country that's extremely homogenous in almost every way and has a population of a whopping 5 million.
@@chickenfishhybrid44 Not really, it's just policy 😉
@Ad you think it's not easier to do policy in a homogenous country of 5 million vs say one with 200 million and a very diverse population? Lmao, ok.
I mean Norwegian infrastructure is very lack luster. Compared to other European and Asian countries, at least when you go anywhere but to Oslo...
How to get hospitalised watching this video. Drink every time you hear the word "Diverse"