Is an $1100 coil shock really worth it? High Low Ep 5
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- Is a $1100 EXT Storia V3 coil shock that much better than an air shock?
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Isn't Siskiu 5 rear suspension travel 120mm how did you update with coil suspension
@@BikashThapa-s2u brands make coil shocks 190x45
This is absolutely the series PinkBike SHOULD have done! Great videos man!
But how else could they advertise overpriced components and make people feel inadequate???
i feel like they just did it more for fun but yeah this is a better representation of what people would normally get
Surprised pinkbike downgrades the yari to a 150 dollar china fork but kept the shock
@@eugene44569 the whole thing was a joke. Why not spend the money on getting stuff serviced? Seems like someone in the office wanted to see how bad the cheap parts were and shoehorned it into that series
Truueeee
Key points you neglected to mention: - coil shocks require less maintenance due to fewer seals (coil vs air spring) and ultimately can be cheaper to own; - setup is NOT more difficult as you just select the coil based on weight and riding style, in fact, EXT will do it for you using a survey when you buy new, damper adjustments are the same and most manufactuers will give you suggested settings for the spring rate; - not all frames are well suited to coil shocks;
yes, all correct.
about the frames:
yes clearance is an issue with some frames, some won't fit the coils, some won't fit beefier coils.
It isn't correct. The air spring service is super easy, and you do not even need to do it in a 50-hour service. The most tricky (and leaky) part is the damper. Which is the same. Ok. Not the same but it differs depending on brand and model, but not coil/air.
@@AntonKhomutenko , it is correct. A coil shock simply has fewer seals and parts to service.
The nice thing about air shocks is the damper is less likely to ingest dirt or moisture as it's internal.
@@tcv4 so is the damper in a coil shock.
Worth it and worth it.. What else are you going to do with the money? I mean you could save up, pay for stuff for your kids, college tuition, almost a used car, or some overpriced sofa that your wife tells you that you "need".
Or! You get a bling rear shock (With performance way higher than your riding abilities) to impress your mtb buddies.
The choice is obvious.
Yeah, the rear shock for sure
loving this series, you’re doing a great job with it evan!
Thanks Miata!!
I personally believe that you should have got both air shock or both coil shock to make it a fair test
I second to this. The Fox Float DPX2 would be a great comparison to the Rockshock Monarch+
@@kmmui9671 you can get the dpx2 performance elite for stupid cheap if you look around since it's an oem only shock and there's left overs as brands switch to the new float x. I got mine brand new for £280 which is cheaper then one of these monarchs.
EXT air shock Coming soon...
It is confirmed that he watches Dount Media
Not sure how you climbed 25,000 feet to the top of South Mountain. ;) Great video. These are so much better than the Pink Bike version. It really gives me some insight as to what upgrades really make a difference.
Soon as I heard that I was all wtf?? USA doesn't have anything close to that lol.
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Really great series Evan! Another class video. Giving great insight into value for $ parts! Happy Tuesday ☕️
The correct way to tighten bolts/nuts is to use the torque wrench on the nut. You won't get a true reading by using it on the bolt.
I want to understand what you mean but I have no clue
@@celzolsen8988 When he tightened the shock mounting bolts he put the torque wrench on the bolt. The correct method is to hold the bolt with an allen key & tighten the the nut with a socket mounted on a torque wrench...tighten the nut into the bolt.
@@Tumid1 wat...... isn't the bolt and the nut the same thing if they are stuck to each other 100%?
@@celzolsen8988 No, not really. I understand why you would think that, but there can be differences due to the length of the bolt - it "twists" a bit, like a torsion bar. As a result, the applied torque doesn't "stay".
@@quentinnine9441 to support this more it is also rubbing against the frame so some of the torque applied is turning into friction against the frame rather then into tightening the bolt
The EXT Storia v3 is great shock, I have one. But mine has spherical bearings so the shock can tilt. Less stiction.
I did not find the shock to be hard to set up. Buy i dont know how yours feels. Mine felt great. But I see you defenitly was satesfied with the rough stuff. I have the Ext Era fork too, but there is a v2 version out. Also air shock coming soon.
@@thiosemicarbizidebenzoylal2921 rockshox and fox both have amazing coil shocks out as well 🥴
@@thiosemicarbizidebenzoylal2921 the best dmm coil shock isn't even really comparable to the ext. The dnm has less adjustments, no lockout lever, no way to internally tune it, weights more, and you can't get it tuned to suit your bikes suspension. I personally have a rockshox super deluxe coil and I love it, it is expensive yes but worth it to me.
@@thiosemicarbizidebenzoylal2921 the website only says compression and rebound, it doesn't even show if it's high or low speed for either one. The ext has low speed and high speed rebound/ compression. Plus there isn't even a lockout lever on the dnm which is quite ridiculous. When ordering an ext shock you also get the option to get the damping shaft/shims and the spring built to your specific suspension on your bike, which means you can run a coil on a bike that is not meant to have one. So yes it's really not comparable
@@thiosemicarbizidebenzoylal2921 I respect opinion. I do agree with things being overpriced but I personally like different adjustments so its worth the waste to me
@@bentoth2494 I've not tried those, but I read stuff from ppl who havr they preffered the EXT.
You're doing a really good job with this series. Very realistic of what experienced riders will do either way depending on their wants and budget.
How can iget channel membership, mine doesn't have the join button next to the subscribe button
“Hey so there’s this great new shock I found and I think you gonna like it,”
“Really?? How much does it weigh?”
“Well that’s the thing it’s actually a pound heavier.
I'll say when I first started riding with my EXT I didn't think it was very poppy. However, some adjustments to the compression and it was just as poppy as my air shock. Overall, I'd pay the money for it and not even question it. More-over, it's made me not want to buy a bike that can't run a coil. I'm completely sold.
On one of those hill bikes having that 300$ one would 100% sell your bike quicker ...I mean that 1100$ one just look cheap with that spring and don't think it add any spring action value that much either
Short term suspension isn't a huge issue, but on any sustained course the more forgiving the suspension the less wear on the body and rider. Everything in biking is a trade off. Love the series Evan.
You should definitely install a 12000W hub motor
Big question any one needs to a answer before you swap to coil is wether your frame suspension design is designed to accommodate a coil. Many suspension curves are designed around the progressive nature of an air spring, particularly in shorter travel bikes. This may account for why the EXT worked well in the bumps and traction department with the polygon, but not in the drop test. This is also where the EXT custom tuning really comes to the fore as they use that to deal with the linear draw backs of a coil.
You explained that perfectly. Going to have EXT tune it for the Polygon when I send it off
This is a ridiculous comparison. You have no clue what you are talking about.
I woulda liked to see a Marzoci coil on the low
I would've, but there's not a Marzocchi that fits the D5
@@EvansMTBSaga What's the shock size on the Siskiu D5? 190x51mm aka 7.5x2.0"?
@@redinho1994 Yeah... it's old style imperial. Not many fit, but older coil shocks like DHX2 can. My Firebird is 8.5 x 2.5 and it's real hard to find modern shocks for it. Probably why he had to jump for a Monarch
“OoOOoOOooOhH kashima! :O”
I really gotta make sure that i subscribe to you because i've both stripped out my cranks and have had my bike fall of the car! Both felt terrible and i dont wanna experience that ever again, so subscribe to Evan!!!!
Haha dude that's a bummer! Thanks for the support dude!!
0:34 This is not an extra oil reservoir, it's a gas filled chamber (nitrogen) to were the oil can expand when it's getting hotter. This equals the pressure inside the shock. 1:07 Time to use a Titan spring. This test lacks of reason. You can also buy air-shocks for over 1000$. A compairson between low and high airshock and low and high coilshock would make morte sense. In the end you can use a coilshock even when there's no oil in it. An airshock without air ends in walking home (or you have always a spare shock in your pocket).
I just switched to a coil last week and I don't think that I can ever go back haha
Another solid video. Good coverage of the coil shock. The performance seemed incomparable but yes, the setup looked rough and buying second hand is a wild card. Carbon rims next? Can't wait! Was curious what your day job was. Thanks!
DVO Topaz is the perfect shock to still have an air shock but with that coil feel. Would be cool to have a review on it
the coil is more work at the start but is fit and forget
A coil shock can be a down side if it is not compatible
LOL this reminds me of Hi low on donut media😂
So this is basically a MTB version of Donut Media’s Hi-Low?
Heck yeah man!
I had issues with the same RS Monarch Plus, and I came across a used EXT Storia, the PO had the same bike as mine, so tuned. Yes!!! Worth it! Actually, I bought the whole frame minus the broken rear end, which I'm using since it is a better fit.
As far as set-up, once you have the right spring to achieve the desired sag, it's not much different to set up the compression and rebound. I don't have to faff around with air anymore.
Oh dude no way! Same shocks as this video haha!! I'm sending the EXT off tomorrow for service and tuning, should be back by the end of the series!
@@EvansMTBSaga Have it tuned for the bike as well if you can. Good luck! The Storia has been awesome on my Pole Evolink! My Monarch had what appeared to be a clunk when in the open position, and a full rebuild didn't solve it.
bros copying dounut media
I think most people would agree that an air shock is better for the average mountain biker. If you’re bike came with a nice coil shock and it’s the right Spring Rate for your riding style and weight then consider yourself very lucky. But an air shock will be easier to adjust and get set up properly for the average person.
Great videos Evan still tuned for the series on what’s next keep up the good work
This series is so fun to watch! Great video!
Yeahhhhhh i love the low setup.
100% better than pink bike, nice video man hope you gain more subs so you can buy more parts and upload more
You should make a video of upgrading a polygon Siskui T7??
Hmm that does sound interesting!
@@EvansMTBSaga yeah it would be sick🤙🏻
Its like hi/low from donut but for bikes instead of cars i absolutely love it
Yes, my PUSH Eleven Six is worth every one of the 1,200.00 bucks I spent on it. No question.
I have also ridden both of these shocks on the same frame and you are insane to say the Monarch can even compare to the Storia. Your tests are clearly flawed as this was a shock in need of service, used, and leaking. On top of that selecting the proper coil does 65% of the setup. From there if you dont understand high and low speed compression that is for you to learn not the responsibility of the manufacturer. A high end air shock has all the same adjustments so " More user friendly" would heavily depend on the model of shock.
Chill out dude. I said the coil was better
Well if you only had $300, I'm sure you won't be here saying this lol
I've recently swapped out an x2 for a mint Monarch Plus RC3 Debonair, set it up correctly and it's not far off the x2.... True, the x2 has more adjustments but I've had cavitation and air can leak twice now on it and after the second service it just wasn't as smooth any more after having to use thicker o-rings.
If you give me a used x2 or this Monarch, I'd go for the Monarch any day. More reliable, easier to service, easier to set up, and has the same basic negative spring/volume config as a x2. Don't forget the Monarch+ was the predecessor to the SD.... and even then the SD doesn't have as large of an neg chamber (without Megneg) as the Monarch. SD doesn't feel the same. I love my Monarch. Good on you for loving your EXT, I'd want to have one in the future but I wouldn't be fitting it onto a cheap Siskiu, unlike you... Go figure
TL;DR : Good series Evan... keep going!
@@EvansMTBSaga Ok
chill out senior, lets get you to bed.
ARE PEOPLE GOING INSANE? A Porsche Panamera air suspension shock is 800 Euros. A Porsche coil spring suspension shock is around 300 Euros.
How could a lame ass bike shock cost 1100 $? Are they crazy? And how INSANE is the person paying such amount for a TOY shock???
Unbelievable.......................
This was great! I love the practicality of it. Sure the coil is better but $800 better? You nailed it!
Same rear rockshox I have due for a rebuild funny in the UK I never experienced fade where oil heats up mabey because of the hot desert aid was a factor to
Now you just have to change the frame !
I agree! Stay tuned
Next time you should compare the EXT coil to the Bomber CR so you’re comparing two coil shocks.
Really love the way you did this series. I think I actually prefer the look of the low bike with the fork that matches the frame color lol
@evans MTB saga fade isn't related to air vs coil. This is an incorrect Statement. The reservoir & heat management of the shock are responsible for having (or not having) fade. Not the type of spring the shock uses.
Love what you’re doing. Super stoked to know that you are a fellow nurse. Keep it up.
he acts like all coil shocks are more expensive during the final recap. this is not the case, it seems like he should be comparing either 2 coil shocks or 2 air shocks. I can not tell when he is talking about general benefits of one technology or just how much something costs
before buying a used shock, make sure that servicekits a still available. No Roco or swinger for example...
6:39 made me snort and laugh 😂
I feel so bad using a $8 coil with only preload adjustment on my 90s mtb after seeing the $1100 coil shock
Welcome. Can you send me your email to communicate with you personally and thank you
Im thinking of getting the rockshoxck monarch rc3 plus but I am scared of it failing does anyone have any other shock that perform almost the same?
Buy new WITH instructions and you get what you pay for. If unable to setup then pay someone who does know. It was an unfair comparison imho
Dude, are you A usa citizen? Why you bother used italian junk? Go to avalanche and get a decent custom tuned shock for that price.
"Ooooo Kashima"
The "what's that? How much die you spend?" Gets me every time🤣
That air shock is not $300... in the UK, it's more like £500, making it more like $600.
1:08 ironic people like "Chad" are the biggest weight weenies. 2k+ for carbon wheels seriously
EASY to setup actually, got a PUSH coil for my SC BULLIT, u say u were a NURSE?
Guys,only hardtail))))
You didn't show what the both good for coils are better for downhill technical and air is better for jumping
I didn’t realise this was donut media. You even copied the music. How original.
wait, i have an idea!
may be you should try to make a MAGNETIC shock
Quote of the century:
Ooo kashima!
Would have been more interesting with the original shock thrown in for comparison.
This is donut media inspired they have the same name and even music but donut media have cars insted of bikes but this video is still good
do you watch donut media??? pretty much the same thing but with bikes, cool series
Monarch plus rc3 sucks hard. The shock is laggy and unpredictable
Боже мой, пружинный амморт описался - да и фиг с ним! Масла много и домой Вы все равно доберетесь без проблем. Поменять резинки и норм.
А вот монарх не понятно почему сдох так быстро на каменной секции. Понятно что там масла раза в два меньше.
Вместо видеоряда с заменой бушей лучше бы показали настройки негативки и позитивки воздушного амморта и кривые с диностенда для обоих. А то как бы не понятно что с чем сравнивают. Также возникают вопросы к геометрии рамы, если по умолчанию в ней стоял сантур с не очень большой позитивной камерой, а потом в нее поставили объемный воздушник и линейный пружинник ;)
I love your siskiu D5 videos bro!!!
hi 👋 about the rockshox how much is the travel in m.m please 🙏 😊
Why does it feel like I'm watching a Donut Media high low video lol
but you cant compare a airshock and a coilshock like that but nice video
i just dont get why a bike shock and coil costs more than my SUV's
firt up. Thumbs up for clambing the seatpost and not the toptube!
Anyone else find this intro music so close to High Low from donut media?
With 1100 dollar in my country, i can buy a 125cc bike 😳😳
Wow those two extra springs sure are cool. I'd bet whomever sold them to you is a real shredder.
Haha thanks for sending them so fast! They didn't fit, I was so bummed! That white one would've looked so cool
No talk of leverage ratio progression? Not all bikes will work with a coil shock
Yes. Don't bother watching this video. Just get a coil 👍
25k feet to south mountain. you mean 2500, it's not Everest
Nothing on the face of this planet will compare to the feel of a coil shock.
This video is copied from donut media even the song is the same
I’m going from rock show super deluxe to the ext storia
do u think u can make a video on how u adjusted the spring shock
It's funny that you used donut media's high low music
Bros “cheap bike” is like double my bike budget 😅
“I have thirty thousand dollars in credit card debt”🎵
Slighty simelar to Donut Medias hi/low series xD
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lol, couldn't help but notice the direct ripoff of Donut Media's HiLow / More Expensive = More Better series. Great idea, maybe just introduce more of your own into the series vs blatantly ripping off someone else, because unfortunately it's all I could think about.
Too bad you didn't notice every episode credits Donut Media in the description.
Pls give me your polygon siski t8 I am really poor
why are these things more expensive than a set of struts for a car?
donutmedia but in bikes :DD even the same music. love it
Need to get donut media on this. High Low !
Eylet Bushing Tool…?
Nobody needs that!