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Nope. Yall are seeing it backwards.
Nissan swaps the next best motor into cars/trucks all the time. They get influencers/drivers to do it as well. This isn’t new.
No one tripped seeing the VR30 swapped Z.
No one tripped seeing the VK56 swapped Frontier…
But they’re complaining about them putting a VR38 in a new Z?
Smfh. Look at how they operate before just wanting to yap for yapping sake.
Edit: Boost nailed it. It’s just content. Not forsaking a motor.
VR30 is garbage, they all get rod knock, my mechanic works on nothing but nissan/infiniti, and the turbos don't last, idk why nissan keeps using that garbage engine, they shoulda stuck with the VQ37VHR
@@Traceless916 what does all that subjective hate have to do with VR30 and VQ topping out @ the same whp stock motor ? So cringe seeing people say *since I don’t like the vr30 that = it’s bad and that’s law* pls stfu with all the subjective nonsense no cares about but yall sad ass😂
@@toyor8888 you didn't read a single fucking word I wrote
@@toyor8888 kinda sad a non turbo version has the same power and better reliability while being older lmao
@@Traceless916 Yeahhh, nahhhh. VR30 have improved since 2019 and there are minimal issues with the new Nissan Z being reported. If this was 2016-19 I'd agree with you that they need to improve on the 3.0. But the 3.7 is a dinosaur Nissan needed to move on from. If you want a 3.7 go buy a Z, G, or early model Q.
The truth is, Infiniti/Nissan isn’t putting money into a high-end sports car because people aren’t willing to pay for an expensive Infiniti. They’ve been targeting budget-conscious buyers, which has hurt Infiniti’s image. So, people with money are always going to choose brands like BMW or Mercedes over a cheaper Infiniti. Because of that, Infiniti doesn’t attract the big spenders, and without their money, they can’t reinvest, creating a vicious cycle. Nissan has become known as a budget brand, and that has dragged down Infiniti’s reputation too. Turning things around would take cash that Nissan just doesn’t have.
The issue has always been money at the end of the day so I agree trust me I think Nissan/Infiniti would love to make cool shit but like u said the budget is not there anymore the money they were granted a few years back was not for fun it was to save the company
One thing that I don't understand is that they do have capabilities of changing their image. Look at the 2025 qx80 or the new qx60. Also, nissan Z.
They can use the interior of the qx80, qx60 or nissan z. Shoot even grab the 9 speed and put it in q50 or q60?
the new vr35 in the q80 is going to be great too. So i don't get it at all!
@@windblower5 It’s not just about the engine; it’s the whole package. The Z is an okay car, but for a bit more, you can get a Supra, which has a better engine, regularly updated, and better transmission, steering, and stability. The Z just feels outdated. Nissan seems to be all about flashy concepts now, but they’re not really innovating or leading in the market anymore. It’s funny because Hyundai and Genesis have taken the spot Nissan and Infiniti could’ve had if their leadership wasn’t so clueless. Honestly, it’s kind of embarrassing to be seen driving an Infiniti these days which is sad because I owned a g37 and a q50 before moving to bmw and getting a 540i
@@windblower5the q50 are discontinued after this year
the reason why infiniti is "cheap" is because the tried to sell one generation of their car, the q50, for a notoriously long period, they don't update their cars/tech and push out new generation fast enough, and the old model becomes more and more dated and loses any advantages to compete with the competitors on the market, and also depreciate tremendously. They should've come out with the next gen q50 in 2020 with new engine new trans and new design, but they wanted to sell this same model for almost 10 years. Of course they lose the market when other brands are updating their lineup so consistently. Nobody would spend 60k to buy a new Q50RS in 2024 which is literally from 2016 (or 2018 for facelift model)
Be careful with b58 on the 7 series. Thats a gen 3, has a bunch of issues the previous 2 didn't. Kern spoke on it
Nissan races with the VR30 and VR38. I don't think Nissan would use the VR30 in their race cars if they didn't care. I think that's a bit of a reach, I do respect what you say because of your knowledge for sure. I come from a VQ and will always keep one around for sure, but even then, the VQ came nerfed, no turbos, open deck, and companies make so much fucking money off selling turbo kits and cont. to bend over customers for 10k+ to make good power and get close to the VR38 in terms of performance. What I don't like is that Nissan claims to be about "fun to drive" vehicles but only make 2 fun to drive cars in their line up. If I wanted a fuel eco car i'd buy a Nissan Versa or Sentra, whatever. But you mean to tell me you couldn't just make the VR30 more capable and have more potential from the factory? why? To take away from the GTR's legacy? Not a good look. The VQ became a tuner favorite because adding boost make's it close to the VR38, but by the time it's all said and done, you might as well just buy a used GTR....
this was said so well lmao
Agreed, the GT-R is an AWD track monster, the Z is a RWD GT car with an hshift option, two completely different beasts. I really do think it came down to cost as to why they used the VR30 though, making those takumi built GT-R engines couldn't have been cheap, especially as order numbers went down.
That being said they should start using the takumi built VR38 in the NISMO Z (that was big miss on their part), especially with the GT-R ending production, and maybe a short stroke version in the Sport and Performance Z. I'm just glad the Sport model comes with a turbo unlike previous generations where the base model was NA.
All this to say Nissan has an image problem more than anything else and they will only fix that by downsizing and starting to go upscale like Mazda and Cadillac are doing.
Well said. Money is clearly an issue with Nissan, rnd costs and more. Imo if that VR35 was the engine that came out as an upgraded option for the nismo and other cars like the Q50/Q60 and the VR30 standard, now we’re talkin! 500 torque from factory?? Yes please. Im not a drag car speed obsessed american (although i love speed) but Nissan really has a chance to compete in the fun department with the big dogs, just think outside the box!!
i brought up that topic recently bro single turbo vr30 happy to see you talking about it to help the idea grow into a actual thing 🔥🔥🔥there’s just nobody wants to do it because it’s easier to slap z1s , vpf did top mount turbos maybe in 10 years vr30 can be better but right now theirs better cars , VQ has more options than vr when it comes to modifications everything you can do to a vr38 , vg30 , VQ can be done to a VR30 I really hope we see more down the line when these cars reach the third owner most vr30 owners care too much about keeping their warranty
VR30 being a headifold motor makes a single turbo setup pretty much entirely nonsense.
@@RotaryJunkie yeah I understand that , would still be cool to see someone do it fir fun
you should Change the title of this video , nissan does not hate the Vr30 , videos like these do not help or encourage enthusiasts to build vr30's
it's up to us to make them fast , reliable etc ....
Ngl all the big content creators got rid of the VR30 too so that doesn’t help
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As examples I don’t know any content creators besides Zillafullboost and twinzilla that really been up promoting vr30 on these platforms I used/still have a vr30 trying to get rid of it and go on to a better platform the Q60 just loses too much value very fast might hop back into one in 10 years to build one I was inspired by these creators to get my q but once they started getting rid of em I started to see why once you start test driving you don’t wanna go back
You sound like you smoke Crack.
So true, just by them putting it in the Z it shows they do like it, and a lot of issues people have come from abuse or modifications. I wish folks would put in the work to make a decent build instead of just blaming Nissan for not making a boat anchor they could abuse. Also they have been upgrading it over the years, I don't know what he was talking about like it was frozen in time or something. True BMW definitely did their homework with the S/B58, but the VQ/VR series isn't a slouch either when they are treated properly and upgraded responsibly for the type of driving someone wants to do.
yeah brother it upsets me more that boost that supposedly is a Q50 Q60 enthusiast makes videos completely shitting on the platform makes zero sense to me ,My Q60 runs great because i take care of it and will easily make 700+ on z1 turbos stock block/trans , every engine has its pros and cons , the ideal engine does not exist, clear example Ej25's blow up from home to the store yet people love those cars and will continue to build them regardless ....
Vr30 is garbage Nissan is garbage.
I believe the only reason they’re putting the GTR engine in the 400 Z is just for content. If most people wanted the 3.8 L they should just buy a GTR. It’s a better car all around. Both engines are great engines the 3 L and the 3.8 they just need to be maintained properly.
Every car has issues. Since my wife and I moved to Asia, I purchased my wife our first Toyota ever it is a GR. Just to say we’ve had it in for service eight times with problems less than two years. And we only have 7000 km on it. All cars have issues no matter what they are.
GRs are known to have issues. That's y'all fault. All cars do not have issues. Some are bulletproof. All car brands have cars that have issues is accurate. But your statement is false. Let the lab rats buy new cars and you buy the ones that have been on the road for 4 years with little to no repairs being needed besides wear and tear. That's what a wise man does.
I see plenty of vr30s with over 120k and still going, its just like the b58, maintenance goes a long way
I like my vr30, i think i stick with it for a while and stay on top of the maintenance is crucial and the warranty.
Hahaha everyone and their mother knows that the gtr is going to be more powerful then a z. There is a reason why the gtrs can make up to 3000 whp and the vr30 makes 1000. Not hard to pick which one you want in a drag car
3000whp is not even Nissan at this point its billet block
Friend blew motor and turbos in his RS at 44k miles. Was maintained by Infiniti its whole life as well and they didn’t want to replace anything under warranty🤦🏻♂️
Maybe Nissan should look at the auto transmissions used in Zs and GT-Rs and end their CVT issues right there.
You already know I'm an LS/LT guy. The LTs run meth and port fuel (upgraded DI injectors are dumb expensive). Or the Interchiller setups. 100% Meth kits has been in use since the grand national hey days. Mark IV Supras went to single turbo.
Emilia brought tons of eyes to the C8 when it came out. So many that they invite her to the early release of the Z06 and Zr1. She built that early C8 to the point that at times throughout the build it was the most powerful C8 in the world, and was the fastest C8 in the world at multiple points of time. I’m not even a fan of hers but have watched many episodes because of the interesting builds and she actually drag races, can drift, and road races her cars. Nissan wanted as many eyeballs as possible on this car/build. And nobody mentioned the other reason it’s a vr38 swap. It’s gonna be awd! And it’s not gonna be stock power/parts. Gonna be 1500-1800whp if not more.
You're absolutely correct. I had 2018 Q60 red sport with coolant issues and I ordered the car new from the factory..my son same issues luckily I told him to get the extended warranty. He had his motor replaced at 60k miles due to a coolant leak
Let's be real TTVR30 is fun but reality any boosted car isn't really ideal or practical for long term reliability, which is why I went with the VQ37 or vq30. Whether it's vq 30,37 or Vr, they all need good maintenance practice and it's all about what you are buying it for. Still only seen a handful of 400zs driving on the roads but you'll always see a q50 smashing around looking clean.
Boost, I've been here a while and respect your views. As a previous owner of a 350z, G35, 370Z, M3, 335i name a car I've either owned it or have driven it. Nissan/Infiniti has always played the numbers game. My 06 350z was a 3.5l VQ. Call that marketing material. Yes it was less hp than my 06 M3, but 3.2 vs 3.5l of displacement. That was the marketing department at work. While they were cheaper than said M cars, that was the marketing. At one time, I had owned my E46 M3, G35, and Cadillac SRX. Each had their own marketing vices to remove buyers from other brands.
Infiniti has played this game for decades. Their competition now; A
Continued because I'm doing this from my phone.
Their competition now are mostly 3 liter engines. That's why. It's all marketing.
It really kinda closed the deal for me when that one lady is swapped the GTR motor in the 400
To me, it’s hard to see everybody hate on the new because it would be the beginning of something new that could become even better with different engines released and different displacements. I feel like the VR30ddtt is a beautiful engine. I have one of my own and I also have a VQ35de very hardy and beastly engine that is extremely affordable to repair so I can see why everyone loves it. It’s sort of like the Mustang of little Nissan style. I honestly honestly love almost all cars, and I only own Nissans something about them is attractive to me and I’ve always been a Nissan person because of my dad he owned a Datsun 510 with a bluebird paint job from the factory
Really if you don’t like Nissan and you don’t want to support the engines for me you’re just not really into them and maybe you’re more into making power and being affordable and so there’s a lot of Nissans for you and there’s a lot of other cars as well but you don’t love Nissan
I dont think its Nissan/Infinity that dont like the vr30. Its just content, as you've mentioned. Im pretty sure nissan knowns the vr30 is plagued with issues though.
Looking to buy a 14-15 Q50 with the vhr soon. Not a Nissan guy what so ever, but definitely admired that motor throughout the years and love the way the Q50 looks. Thankfully that was an option. Vr30 trans swap, a SC, 650whp and I'm good lol
The QX60 didn’t get the VR30 because that engine has yet to be put in a transverse platform. The VQ35 was developed for transverse platforms from the get go so it was used.
ticking time bomb VR30
Agreed terrible motor, I have a RS400 this car is just awful. And I hit all the maintenance intervals
The motor is not stock it was sent to Cisco performance and built to hold 2000 hp.
I’m just going to slap my VK50 engine into a Z and run 1,000hp on stock internals at 14psi.
The reason they're saying Nissan hates the vr30 is because imagine the publicity of a 1khp vr30 using z1 turbos from a channel as big as her's. Not because we don't think the gtrs engine isn't obviously better and way more capable of more power. With these no expense builds money shouldn't be a factor since she's gonna throw the whole catalog under the hood anyway. I seen that video the day she posted it and immediately x'd out of it when she mentioned the swap. Its like they didn't want anybody who isn't informed to know what this engine is capable of.
There's already a vid on here of an upgraded redsport racing a gtr. It gave the gtr straight up HELL. Made me want a VR.
VG30 is where it's at 😎
Tbf, the money and type of clients that supported the vr38 platform to get to where it is vs the vr30 is night and day. And that's all it comes down to.
You’re definitely carrying the Flag Billy
Your thoughts on burbles on the vr30
Carlos Ghosn was Nissans God sent, they need to pardon that dude and bring him back, many great things happened in Ghosn’s time, i strongly believe that, should he have continued, Nissan would have turned things around by now, they will never get Ghosn’s skills and Nissan has seeded 20 years backward and continuing to get worse!!!
There was a time Nissan was on top of their game. The legends they are known for, going back to the roots of dominating the JGTC, R32, R33, 300zx... We need the Q50 to encompass this or it's replacement. They led the way and set benchmarks for what a performance and drivers car was. . .what happened?
Ehhhh. Emelia Hartford. She was on the Z06 video from GM. She twin turbocharged a C8. Ehhhhhh... Ehhhhhh...
In drag racing there’s no replacement for displacement… VR30 vs VR38….
Why are you calling an SUV/Crossover a truck? Do you call sedans hot hatches too?
Emilia had one of the first Turbo C8 corvettes when they first came out before there was an aftermarket for them or even tuning
Didn't they blow something almost immediately?
@redslate I know they had quite a few issues they had to work around the stock ECU cause it still hadn't been cracked yet so they were running that plus stand alone to make things work but that's one of the negatives of trying to pioneer a new platform lol
SOHO has an A2A kit.... I'm waiting on Sonic Tune to see what his 3.1 VR does with an A2A set up
@@Wiggy321 confused as to why a MASTER INFINITI TECH would think “a2A” would be BETTER for DRAG racing. He was one of the “A2W better” people when the A2A wave first dropped and even when it progressively developed. Is it that sonic may have realize idk, maybe the vr30 can perform well on a intercooler setup… OMG OMG. The same as his daza that has MORE WHP ! How ironic!! OMG OMG maybe even the same as b9s and boosted yotes!! You think he finally realize the vr30 is another regular degular engine that’s capable of that ???
@@toyor8888 whatever the reason, he's running it now. His reason is not my concern, but his results are....
@@Wiggy321 they’ve been there lol but I agree, results are what matter, I digress.
I’m sorry… if you’re crying about the reliability of stick motors… you’re just weak sauce anyway. You don’t need more.
Already had my Turbos replaced 😅
WHAT? didn’t you just get your car I watch your channel haven’t kept up tho
@@SJ-kf5zh I appreciate it and yeah I got my car last Jan and I only have 32,000 miles.
@@2FittedBW damn time flies , I’m selling mine I have Q60 61000 miles now bought it like 3 years ago at 40k miles original, turbos and engine , I still got the g37 tho now I am looking to do a similar build as yours on the G vip build couldn’t see myself committing to the vr30 performance wise
Nobody cares really about the 400z.... They got so much of 370/350 out there
I’ve had my q for almost 3 years and 40k+ miles no issues so far.. knock on wood
Im actually really glad i have a vq in my q50. I wanted the vr30. But recently feel pretty good that i dont have one. Gonna boost my vq... then its vr who????😂
Yes bro me too. VR30 is tragically a shit motor. I just wish us VQ37s had a better transmission.
@whoareyou5722 same. I plan on getting a vr transmission in the near future.i don't plan on monster hp. 500hp is my goal. Soo a vr trans should work just fine for me
i mean what do we expect. god forbid but im driving my q every day scared of my valve body going out. and infiniti has not done anything to even help us as owners
Stupid question did anyone ever swapped the Nissan Titan V8 into a Z?
Yes. Also into a skyline r32
Yeah, because before you choose to put an LS engine on a Nissan or I tried the titan V8 the great sounding duel overhead cam really good engines
Now do a ams performance stage1-3 longblock review 💪
Yall VR30 owners are too butt hurt, putting a higher hp/better engine from the same manufacture in your car has always been a normal thing. de owners upgrading to a VHR, VH45 swaps, gtr turbo/manifolds on a VHR, etc
Yeah they doing something that’s already been done and seen before. This isn’t the least bit interesting tbh. Same as everyone buying a 340 getting a built trans, slapping a single turbo, boom. The copy and paste build.
I’ll say imo, Nissan not the only ones putting vr30s on the back burner. Look at AMS, a funded company that only in 8 years accomplished a fastest of damn near mid 9s on a max effort long block built trans etc. A large role that plays into that is they have no comp, in the eu scene you got 034, apr, ie etc. There’s literally no other sponsored company for the vr30 that can contest them because they literally don’t exist. That in turns make them more lackluster on the $20k Q, and more focused on setting r35,v10,s58 bullsh*t intake manis ( that we should have alr ), slow subi products. I mean the proof in the pudding, they just dropped $1.3k catted ldps frankly a minority of people want let alone will actually buy.
Lastly, unfortunately it was B&C to bring the actual push the VR30 needed. Then the Z boosted it with cams amongst other things. That’s in no way to justify how they went about their business practices. Simply the work they developed, look at Z1 soho sonictuned all using what, A2A. 10.5 on stock turbos on prep, drag pack, A2A, fueling,dumped fdps. Before that happened. A A2W vr30 car needed wayyyyy more to achieve that. It’s simply a sad fact idk why people get hurt over it. Just look at vr30steve modlist
Cant really fault them.
@@day4061 but you can tho that’s my whole thing 😂. They’re sponsored they can afford to money dump for R&D. They doing it with s58 intake manifolds whilst simultaneously putting a blueprint of a upgraded vr30 valve cover on the back burner. Mind you THEIR fastest vr30 valve cover popped..so it’s not like it’s NOT needed lmfao. Genuinely, I can’t comprehend the logic in that.
@toyor8888 Yeah I feel where you're coming from.. It sucks because the vr30 is still fairly new. Our German cars have had years to perfect certain things. More tuners, better support, etc. I could see why these larger companies could give a rats ass about the vr30 bro honestly. Nissan technically killed the z off with that sponsorship. Im not knocking her because i genuinely think she had no idea. When you have cheaper cars, that can make good power dropping into the 15k-23k range with low miles (in my area).. You often seeing TONS of people not willing to spend the extra cash to actually push certain products and other companies to overall give the community cheaper parts. They rather cut corners and make life for everyone miserable. So im glad i jumped ship. I was about to buy a q60 because my q50 is my daily, but I said f*** it. Then went with the 340.
@toyor8888 It's sad, but it is what it is. Once they give you the middle finger it's best to leave. They have the die hard fans in a infinite tsukuyomi. So idk if it'll ever get better.
@@day4061 yeah bro I’m so burnt out of having hope for this platform lmfao. It’s one thing if the motor is utter dogsh*t with HELLA support, it’s another thing when it’s shit whilst minimal support. It also doesn’t help people hop on the hate wave with no genuine real justification and simply say what was said to them as if it = truth. Granted, that’s a hate wave %50 Q owners have to take responsibility for creating, but the other half is genuine just haters hating because they think it’s cool.
I don’t want to get a b58 but it’s the only literal logical motor that makes sense to push P on amongst reliability. Simply because that’s the thing everybody is doing 😂. Like believe me I understand the hype. From the aftermarket support to the potential of it ong I do hell it’s irrefutable.Its just copy and paste builds there’s no uniqueness until you get into miscellaneous details like what size turbo, port or DI, stock/clutch pack/built trans etc. that’s when imo the build starts to get unique but on face value it’s all the same build.
You started to explain AMS partly too unintentionally 😂😂. Granted I will say they don’t have the same if not more amount of Q owners tryna go fast like their lambo r8 or r35 owners. So what do they do ? Cut corners and release half ass port inj solutions knowing likely no other company will produce such a product, overtaxing on not even fully closed deck motors. A gen1/2 b58 stroker kit is (+10k)over half LESS than a stg3 NON Stroked vr30….utterly foolish. Continuously leading on the alpha turbos when likely whole time they’ve BEEN done but yk marketing they gotta drag ts 10+ months. I can go on and on you see my point my man.
Ted talk over, I’m sorry.😞
It seems like the vr30 is a weaker n54 but same initial reliability issues
@@mikec9155 weaker but on that same life can match a stock motor n54 whp?? Sure you not glazing ?? Lmfao
@@toyor8888you can go up to 850whp on a stock n54..you have to keep it below 600wtq and move the power to upper rpm . Its basically same strategy as vr30 ppl are doing.
@@mikec9155 750whp is literally the stock motor safe limit. Literal exact same as a VR30. Both can hit 800-850whp I mean it’s been done but wasn’t not nearly reliable…speaking for both. It’s irrefutable proof out there that at that whp that’s the engine limit for..both dude.
@@toyor8888 the n54 has a forged block, the vr30 doesnt, so my statement that is weaker is true. I did not say it made less power. The n54 is old tech from 2006..vr30 is from 2017. i was expecting more out of the ppl that built the vr38. Nissan shouldve just destroked the vr38 into a vr30 or just did what toyota did and just bought the b58 and zf8hp from bmw
@@mikec9155agreed all they have to do was detune the vr38 directly from the skyline it was already a proven reliable engine with dam near endless potential Infiniti really fumbled the bag imagine q60/q50 with vr38 🤌🏾
The Nismo Z costs too much.
Compared to a C8, nearly every sports car costs too much.
But most people don't have the $$ to do it
Yea, but some people do.
Engine no good
Vq or no Infiniti/z for me. Reliablity issues(coughVR30cough) ruined this platform 😢 now it'll get replaced by an EV
Nissan went down hill
E-mil-ya. Not a stock vr38. It’s a built 2000hp block. Vr35 will probably still be a shi t ass open deck block.
@@elmoz122 if you’re gonna hate Atleast have knowledge about what you’re hating on. Might wanna look up the specs of the vr35 and see some pics bozo
@@toyor8888 Trying to tell me about facts on a motor that has no testing.
@@elmoz122 numnuts you’re proving the very point you just said. Can’t say it’ll “sTiLl bE sHiT” cause it’s not a remnant of a VQ WHEN THERES NO FACTS RIGHT ??
@@toyor8888 lol I can, and my
Opinion is still valid little man. Stick to your burble tunes lmao.
@@elmoz122 I just obliterated lol, look at the cope. Good day.
If they kept the VQ, it would have been the greatest sports car on earth.
Unfortunately, all auto makers are slowly moving away from sports cars and investing into suv's, trucks, and EV's. By 2030 you wont be able to buy most of these sports cars that are available today.
They're going away from cars in general. Sports cars are likely to be the holdout niche in cars.