This Guitar Has Something Special
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thanks kaylen for making this video, when i started learning how to apply this system to my guitar builds
i first messaged daniel of oni guitars to ask permission if i could do a take on his idea and he welcomed
me trying to do my take(i didnt ask his measurements out of respect)after 2 yrs prototyping what could work for me
my clients. honestly i expect people to have little doubt about this but lets just remember fanned frets where started in 1989
and people took decades to see and accept its benefits and now its a standard fret system, the best difference for me on a fanned fret vs a curved fret guitar
1. its easier to the extended chords
2. there is less of a learning curve
3. all string are having more equal tension
4. also helps intonation due to the string being more near equal tension
This 4 are from people who have tested a curved fret guitar we have named to name a few like perf de castro and ichika nito
on the concerns i read on other comments
we use stainless frets which are extra tall and honestly wont need a refret for a long time
but if you really need a refret you can send the neck back for a refret
If have question on it you email me at nofguitars at gmail
Dan @ Oni Guitars here. Great video, thanks for the mentions throughout. I wanted to clarify a few things.
First up, I started doing the curved frets early 2012 (I think lol). Kenzo at NOF has been in contact for a couple of years re. using the concept. I've always been happy for others to run with the idea and do their own thing with it so there are a few other luthiers who have built curved fret instruments, and FGN, (their reasoning was to keep the scale lengths identical on each string thus compensating for neck taper)
Re. the manufacturing process, they're absolutely standard frets bent into shape. That part isn't too difficult once you get a feel for it. It's certainly something that could be automated in mass production if the numbers were high enough.
Recrowning after levelling is a much bigger issue. That becomes a more tedious and labour intensive process. Ironically manufacturing budget guitars with curved frets is probably less problematic than mid- to high- quality because those time consuming steps are skipped for the cheaper stuff.
Hmm...there's a bunch of other stuff I could run through but I'd rather just get some old at the gates cranking!
I'm sure a modified plek-type thing could be built.
My Hoxey neck was leveled and crowned on a CNC machine, and aside the fret ends being a bit angular (neck 'rolling' makes that not a big deal. I'll probably do it someday) it's perfect.
Granted, the fretboard is perfectly flat, because it's metal that was made on a CNC machine, but my point is that it could be automated, too.
This video was not very well-researched... Very unusual.
@GretchZ it's definitely possible to CNC mill the bulk of fretwork, it's just commercially unviable at any realistic sales volume. A whole lot of cool things are possible but guitar making is so low profit and guitarists so incredibly conservative and sceptical it becomes almost impossible to move forward. Guitar companies have kind of painted themselves into a corner marketing myths and driving their own value down chasing cheaper manufacturing
no necrophagist riff in the demos??? not a real sixstringtv vid. he has been replaced by the government
Very clearly, I don’t know how the government thinks they can get away with this.
From that first power chord we got the perfect modern metal core djent tone even without mixing/mastering
I’m blown away by this piece. What a great shape and design.
I agree that most companies have a very uncomfortable fan profile, when they attempt multi scale. The only fan set up I actually enjoy is Strandberg. They seem to be the only commercially available guitars with what is to me, the most comfortable fan due to its subtlety. I have to say though that guitar right there is bad ass. Great video. Thanks for sharing.
I have several of both types…fanned and straight. I honestly don’t even really notice it when I play back and forth between the two types. As long as the fan isn’t super extreme, it’s no big deal.
And this really should feel different to a fanned fingerboard.
It will just have more balanced tension and intonation.
How much? Iunno.
Enough to matter? Maybe?
Dude, you need D’Addario XS. You’ll never break a string again. 👍🏻
I’d actually be very curious to try a guitar with these frets. Looks like you’d have to stretch your fingers a bit more in certain spots. I wonder how well they work with other styles of music, as well as various techniques, and chords styles like open and jazz chords. I’m wondering if Dr. Andre Fludd ever tried banana 🍌 frets. He’s very into ergonomics, and I’d be curious to hear his take on these too.
Really cool that you showed us this guitar. I didn’t know anyone else made this style of fret other than the original inventor. Really cool to see guitar builders trying new things. Gotta be dedicated to bend your own fret wire!
only the dead are smiling
Clicked for the frets, subscribed for the ATG
I love this, hope they become cheaper and available soon.
G O L D
Right hand technique on fleek bro!
Never disappointing wit the content K 100!!!!!
Lol that is us in 3:34! A very cool guitar that we had the chance to check out at the guitar summit in Mannheim. Especially the banana frets.
I need a rubber duckie shirt.
Edit: as a millwright, I have to say that it would be neither difficult nor expensive to fabricate an adjustable, hand-cranked, fret wire bender for this application.
funny dudes in minute 3:30... looks like me and my buddy at the guitar summit. 🤟😝❤️
Cold intro bro
I dig this axe.
W video amazing looking guitar
Some At the Gates fuck yeah!!!!!🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘
that's a big fuckin pick
Yessir!
intro riff is so good at the gates is great
what song is it?
@@COhlen Cold
Duuude thank you, I thought it was something from TBDM earlier records.
🍌 I tried a fanned fret expecting to hate it but I adapted almost instantly
It's quite fun!
+10 for the Revocation Riffs
Such an underrated band Dave is so awesome!!
Just to let you know, Ormsby just opened pre-orders for a new run of standard scale guitars! They have a hot pink one...
nice, this is the type of thing that "gets me off" exotic designs, materials, ergonomics. ive seen so many super strats, tele style, and cut away guitars that the weird and innovative is what really moves the needle
Ew…. But I agree. I dig the 60s tulip body’s a ton. Maybe the best.
bro your alternate picking with that metalcore riff in the beggining was just sooooooooooooo sickkkkkkkkkk legit my fave kind of riffing to do
"Metalcore" It's At The Gates 🙄🙄🙄🤣
thanks man!
@sixstringtv1 wouldn't know mate lol never gave em a listen once
Please immediately listen to the entirety of Slaughter of the Soul. I am giving you a pass on thinking it’s metalcore though because that entire genre was 80% At the Gates inspired riffing
@@dpdilla bet my dude !
PLEASE LISTEN TO AT THE GATES‼️‼️
What kind of dinner plate... i mean, pick are you using? Jk, i use 6mm gravity standards 😂
Please do another video on your pedalboard i see a solar chug do some vids on specific pedals that you have and just your whole pedalboard and how you chose it and how you set it upppp
Hmm. "Stick the things in at a different angle". Brillant😂
Nice, Bro!
Now I want to see you try a strandberg true temperament
bruh that pick is huge lol
Kerry King slayer
Is that a banana on your fret board or are you just excited to see me?
its just multiscale with extra steps
Legit clicked on the video expecting there to be some talk of the fret wire being made from a special composite or something that contained bananas.
So how does one go about doing a fret dress job on this if a cnc is not available? Thanks
I do the fret leveling fret dressing(crowning by hand)
by hand
I bet it would take me ages to memorize where the frets are because it’s different than the usual straight ones
I think you would be pleasantly surprised, I found that with fanned frets, your hands still retain that relative positioning ability, after 10 minutes of playing, it feels almost exactly the same to me.
I guitar like this just popped up on Facebook marketplace near me recently. What are the odds?
Playing on with a broken high E-string. I give +1.000.000 for that!
How does it blues bend?
Curved fret doesnt affect the feel for bending :)
I find the lack of "Wonderwall" in this demo quite disturbing
How does this affect pitch when bending? Should countact or exxagerate depending on wher eyou do it.
Both upwards and downwards depending on low or high on the neck
I suppose if you put .7 gauge strings on it and bent up 4 full steps that might become an issue, but realistically who's doing that
@@sixstringtv1 i have tried that test.. didnt notice any problems since you can hear if when you bend if your at that desired note.
It shouldnt be any different,curved frets is made to something that you can use with any gauge of string
what's the name of the very first song he played?
Cold by at the gates
@@tf2exordium thank you my brother in Christ. God bless
What does it sound like played clean?
Like clean guitar
It's washable?
I was just thinking the other day that having curved fanned frets could be beneficial - cool to see it implemented
This is really neat...but what if this guitar ever needed to be Plek'd?
Yeah i think the curved fret i made or other people made as well as fanned and true temperament cant be pleked(might be wrong) but a good luthier can level any guitar
That is a sexy guitar 🥹
Strandberg makes a fanned fret True Temper guitar: the Strandberg Boden metal 7 true temperament ($3900 USD!) . The fanned frets are the answer to a question I've never asked; how can I normalize string tension over 6 or more strings? The thickness differences mean every string feels different to me anyway, having the same tension feels like an engineers wet dream but not this quitarist's!
It's much of a bigger issue on 8 string guitars. 25.5 means using an 80 and still having a floppy 8th string that sounds muddy. 27 means more tension on the higher so a set like 9-80 would be better, but most sets are 10-74 which is too stiff on the high strings. 28 same as 27 but with more tension. 30 means having to use 8-38 on the first 6 strings or they will break when bending. The solution? Fan fret, so you can use a 10-74 set without having a shit tone and stiff upper register. I've been playing 8 strings, both fan fret and 27 straight scale since 2019. I'm now with a 27 inch ibanez with 9-80 in F# standard. Used to use a custom 9-74 set, sounded better, but too floppy. a 28-26.5 inch with a 9-74 set would be the ideal sound-tension compromise for me.
The guitar is very cool but the PICK!!
WHAT THE PICK?!?!?
Clearly you were so traumatised by the shirt you aren't even able to talk about it.
Fujigen guitars have curved frets damn it
Barely.
what if you were to refret the guitar? (unlikely situation but very possible)
That’s what I thought as well. I don’t think any guitar tech would want to deal with that.
Send it back and have the guy who built it so it for you
unless some company starts manufacturing them (hopefully they do)
if they do manufacture the frets i would love to see them on more production line guitars
Probably very tedious but couldn't you just bend and match the slots left in the fingerboard after removing the old ones?
Granted, with SS frets would you ever really have to?
That looks so weird
Well, it looks cool, but thats too dang expensive for any mass guitar builder to adopt. Considering that functionality of this frets is almost identical to regular fanned frets (which are a lot easier to manufacture) these typo frets are pretty much useless
"I didn't watch the video so I'm just gonna comment some bullshit"
@@sixstringtv1 They're even more useful (and potentially far less expensive) than you let on. Better intonation, more balanced tension, more consistent tone across the strings... Look at a grand piano, a harp...
basically all of this, down to custom scale curves, could be automated with modern machinery.
do you get paid to wear the Jammies?
Not paid but I get them for free
Yes, by opticians in exchange for the business they get from him damaging our eyes.
WHERE IS THE MARSHALL VALVESTATE VS100????????
It's an 8100, but it's currently on my workbench disassembled
P I N O Y. P R I D E. 🇵🇭
Frets can be bent to be curved by a machine. Automated benders for other uses exist already.
Curved frets will have more balanced tension to fanned.
They will also most likely intonate better.
My mind is exploding.
This concept is great, but this video was infuriating.
Neat guitar but I have to point out where you are wrong about that 9 string. You said it is only a gimmick at that point but that isn't true. The other reason for Oni coming up with the curved fret system in the first place is it allows for a greater variation in the scale length.
That 9 string which was built by Mark Gutierrez (should have given him credit for his work) features a 24-30 inch scale length difference from the high e to low C#. A 6-inch fan is pretty impressive let alone one that is actually playable. Calling it a gimmick is pretty ignorant and very off-brand for your videos. You normally seem to know your stuff pretty well.
The fact that the frets are *curved* is a gimmick, since it's effectively still a fanned fret.
@@sixstringtv1 I mean I wouldn't call it a gimmick considering it is an objective improvement on fan frets in every way outside of ease of manufacturing.
By that same logic every improvement in the automotive industry since the Model A is just a gimmick.
Isn't the 4/2 headstock design something music man has claimed the rights for? I was just wondering. The stupidest shit gets copyrighted these days. Wouldn't want him to get in legal trouble.
Nope, our headstock are not desame and theirs is more commonly 4x2 while the one on the vid is 2x4
@@nofcustoms4663 If that is sufficient that's very good to hear. I just wouldn't have been surprised if there was a "oh the reverse headstock s also ours" argument coming up.
The tuners distances i use aside from the headstock is not referenced on theirs. Its very unlikely they would ask me on it.. but thanks to your comment i just knew they had something like that
banan
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