As a twin, it’s so frustrating that so many false teachers try to use this concept as a dating service. It’s also frustrating that people think it’s a Disney movie. Price charming won’t show up to rescue you from yourself.
Jeff is a narcissist. They had a coach try to scam me of $10,000 telling me if I didn’t do this, I would never come into twin flame union. I called this coach out and she called me a bully and blocked me. THANK GOD! I trusted my intuition and 2 years later, God showed me that I was right in trusting myself. I watched both the Amazon and Netflix versions. It’s so disturbing. I find him to be a jokester and the way Shelia always cringe in his presence bothered me. So so so happy I trusted my intuition. Thank you both for touching on this matter. Yes you are so right on about the darkness and light. We need contrast to know that is fear and what is love. Thank you for taking a stand for the genuine Twin Flames 🔥❤️🔥
I'm so glad you guys are addressing this! This documentary was brought to attention by my close friend recently, and I had a lot of concerns for the ripple affect of negativity it could have on many. There will be people who will be looking for some good honest support, and you guys are a great resource for that. I am familiar with who Jeff and Shaleia are, but I am thankful I never resonated with them at all and, I personally didn't feel they were being authentic. Just as with any group, or organization etc. where someone is in a position of "power" or "authority" there can a dynamic where their ego can be overactive,and imbalances, and misuse of that authority can occur. That can be a dangerous type situation. People who are in vulnerable emotional states can potentially get caught up in something like that more easily, and that is where the abuse of "power" takes place. The Twin Flame template is all about balancing your own internal emotions and energies so you don't take actions from a place of pain,trauma,distortion,programming etc. Someone who acts from a distorted place,and has a God complex, and takes advantage of others for personal gain is someone who is completely DISempowered inside and trying to fill that hole from the inside out. Like a child that gets bullied and in turn they bully others. That is not what being on a true path of growth and spiritual evolution is at all nor does it have anything to do with love. It's an over inflated false sense of self, and misuse of some self appointed authority and false control. There's nothing powerful about using people who are not in their strongest state of being and manipulating them! In fact I can't think of more cowardly behavior! I see it as an inverted vortex that tries to suck things into it so I (affectionately) call it the "Succubus" energy! My heart goes out to those who are negatively affected, and I hope the ripple of this is minimal. Sorry this is long lol! Thank you Rob and Angie!
Also want to add that I too had the same message of "it's always darkest before the dawn" a few weeks ago so it's also good to hear you echo that! My heart goes out to all in the community whether directly affected or affected by the ripple of this throughout the collective. I feel very much the beautiful sacredness of all soul connections and I have deep reverence for that. Sending a huge energetic hug to all
No wayyyy when my life fell apart right before meeting my twin “it’s always darkest before the dawn” kept coming to me! So thankful for you to confirm that message again. I believe in faith, hope, and miracles. Love is real. ❤
Thank you for making this video and for not quitting making more 🙏🏻❤️ I love them so much and your sharings have helped me a lot on my journey. Big TF-community-group hug also from me! 🥰❤️❤️❤️
Thank you! So glad our videos have been helpful to your journey!! We'll all in this together and now's the time for us to stand strong and united. Many blessings to you as you continue on the journey!! 💜
Thank you so much for not leaving and for commenting on this. It’s been hard for me to still associate with the word but when it’s about spirituality, love, and truth and you can separate the scandals from your personal experience of growth within yourself first and foremost (not even thinking about the other person) it’s easy to see that the journey is much deeper and older than this one cult that took advantage of it. Have loved your channel and I appreciate seeing a channel of people in union that WASNT TFU bc usually it’s all TFU people. Single videos are great too and have helped me learn this isn’t about union, but hearing two twins speak together is cool. Bless you both. ❤
Yes, so understand not wanting to associate with the words twin flames. The good news is the words are just a label and no matter what we all call it, the soul connection is what is important and what's real. No one can take that away. Thank you for your kind words. Sending you much love!! 💚
Thank you for staying with us and continuing to be a part of the twin flame community while working through the feelings and reactions from the twin flame universe scandal. I feel the same way about the videos and how people should watch if they can and work through it. These people's stories deserve to be told. Thank you for your empathetic and compassionate discussion.
True twin flames will understand that they don’t know what they’re talking about because we’re advanced beings and not vulnerable to brain control. The unfortunate part is that we’re left even more alone and misunderstood by everyone else who doesn’t understand the connection.
You can be completely hijacked by a narcissist. I was raised to go against my inner guidance system. A skilled predator can control you and you wouldn't know it until it's too late. I have a profound soul connection. Twin flame (I don't use this label. Finger pointing at the moon is not the moon).
Thank you for making this video. From the title of the documentary, I just assumed that essentially the whole twin flame concept was a hoax but in my heart of course there are things that I can't deny nor can I help. That of course was confusing. I am glad you clarify that it was more specifically that 1 person. Love how you both break down topics and give information for people so that they won't fall pray to such things.
Ya, it's unfortunate that the title of the Netflix documentary is just Escaping Twin Flames and not Escaping Twin Flames Universe as it's misleading, but luckily it's very much about TFU and not TFs in general.
Thank you for addressing this. What boggles my mind is these people actually treated the TF phenomenon like a MLM where they thought they could actually push out TFs like some packaged product out of a factory!!
One slight difference in opinion: Shaleia isn't that innoccent. In earlier video's she was the dominating one and talked often incredibly rude to him. So I have a very hard time believing she is his first victim. They are both toxic and at some point Jeff took over from being the more dominant one and Shaleia became more of a sheep, because she doesn't want to loose the life style. But they are indeed 100% NOT twin flames and thanks for recognizing as well that he is a total narcassist ❤
@@TwinFinity1111 I believe in the Prime doc it was said that she brought the twin flame idea to Jeff and he, having run out of get rich quick ideas, ran with it. PS: NXIVM and Scientology were/are full of well meaning people who just want to do good in the world.
Thanks for sharing, I hadn't heard of them. The scary part is that they are still operating and have 67 thousand members. I hope those members have the knowledge and strength to break ties with them. It is a terrible abuse of vulnerable people all for the sake of money.
You may or may not know this, but I've been waiting for this moment for some time. Ever since I commented on TFU's death of a twin flame video and told them that what they were saying was in no way my experience. Basically they were claiming that if your true twin dies, you will as well. Obviously this is extremely wrong and can cause a lot of stress and anxiety to those WHO ARE ALREADY DEEPLY IN GRIEF. I all caps this because I can't underline enough on how much DAMAGE that one single video has had on the community of twin flames in spirit. Oh and Shaelea had replied to my comment telling me that if I was still living then my deceased twin flame couldn't possibly have been my TF at all. Which you know this to be false. My beloved has been with me my whole life and more so after he passed on. edit: Yes this is damaging to the perception of twin flames in general as a concept, however it is very much needed to be seen fully. Those who are truly on the journey won't be swayed because we feel it too deeply. And these are the people that need to be louder. So continue on. I have deleted all my past videos personally and am getting ready to return as a Magical channel and will start uploading again. Not sure how or when I will broach the twin flame subject but I know I won't use that label.
WOW!! Cindy we had no idea about that part of their content. How damaging for sure to tell someone who's just lost their twin that they will die too. OMG!! They just make stuff up as they go along it seems and none of it is congruent. Disturbing!! Good luck with your new YT channel.
Angie and Rob, Last night I sat up very late...feeling restless. Just as I was telling myself I needed to go to bed, your video came up. I was SO HAPPY! I watched it before going to bed, but wanted to sleep on it before commenting. (other than the comment I wrote to say thank you for posting.) I woke up this morning feeling happy and rejuvenated. I must have been sleepier than I thought, because I didn't remember right away that you had done the video. I had slept with a crystal in my pillow case that I got from my DM, and I thought my feeling was from that. I felt guided to go to You Tube right away, which is unusual. That's when I remembered your video. I think my mind had almost blocked it because this whole thing has been very upsetting and triggering for me...and I haven't even watched the documentaries or been associated with Jeff and Shaleia other than very early on I was friends with her for a short time, and then I began pulling away. ▪️▪️▪️▪️▪️▪️▪️ The reason I have been restless is from one particular incident that happened subsequently to the airing of this documentary. I am in a group in which the admin wanted to do just what the two of you are advising against...and that is to not discuss it at all. I have followed this person for many years. I have had private discussions and sessions with them and have had a great deal of admiration for them. This issue however (which I consider a crisis) is bringing out a side of this person that is triggering me very much. I tried to respectfully ask them why they are shutting the group down from discussing it and to spare you of any further details, it just spiralad downward from there. So, although I have a great deal of compassion for anyone who got taken by TFU, and pray they heal, there are other Twin Flame coaches doing this too. Some more subtly than others. I have empathy for anyone who is taken advantage of by anyone in the spiritual community in any way. Not only money; but energy too. This is why I try to emphasize (and I know you say this, too Angie) the importance of protecting, clearing and maintaining your energy. There are many energy vampires lurking in the Twin Flame and Spiritual communities, and many of them hide in sheep's clothing. I am so deeply grateful for the two of you, who genuinely love the community and do your videos to answer all our questions. I know you put a lot of hard work and thought into recording them and publishing them, and I am grateful and have such deep love and gratitude for you. When this controversy arose, I stepped back and listened to what people were saying. When you didn't put out a video on 11/11, I felt like you were probably doing the same thing, and that deepened my admiration for you even more. But then...I started worrying that you were stepping back all together and I prayed that wasn't the case, for the exact reason you said...that we need more Light to offset the darkness. (Contrast). I know this final point I am going to make goes against the grain from how many other Twins feel, and while I do understand and respect other people's stance on this, I am expressing mine because I'm learning to value and respect my experience and connection as much as other people's. I DO believe we can discern other Twins. We shouldn't necessarily tell people who their Twin is, but we as genuine Twins are given the gift of discernment as a tool to navigate ourselves through this journey. I have this gift, just as all true twins do. I am so grateful for it, because the Light between true twins is so beautiful, and gives me a sense of warmth and safety and promise of eternity. The Light the two of you share has always given me these feelings, and right now more than ever. So, thank you from the bottom of my heart for braving this storm with us and sharing your views on this sensitive topic and very unfortunate situation. God bless you both. Much Love and Gratitude And God Speed all the Twins 💝🙏🌷🕊️🔥🔥‼️‼️
Thank you for your beautiful message Crystal. Yes, it's important that we all stand together in our light more than ever right now. Thank you for continuing on the journey and sharing your light and love as well!! 💓💜
Anyone can get their natural compass and discernment brutally hijacked by narcissists. I was groomed as a child to go against my inner guidance system. I also have a profound soul connection.
Hi you two, thanks for the vid and helping bring clarity to what the truth is. I’m a twin and when I first started watching others journeys on the path, I remember seeing their vids and feeling something was off. I felt the complete opposite when it came to you, I’m so thankful for you. You’re like my twin flame fairy god parents;) Love you guys!!
Awww you're soooo sweet. Love your term. We'll happily take on the title of your twin flame god parents!!! Thank you for your beautiful words, your love and your light on this journey!! 🙏💞
I watched the Twin Flame Universe info with the feeling that these two need to be called out!! I’m horrified by what I saw! Keep up the good fight! Thank you for posting!!
Thank you for doing this video 🙏 Sadly had to be done. I’ve known they weren’t proper Twins for years by their behaviour. I was speaking about them years ago, but the cult usually silences and supresses.
I am glad this topic came out as I wrote a question about this in your October video comments section. I have never resonated to that couple even a ling time ago so i never listened to them. Mind you, there are still a lot of so called TF couples or single TF coaches who are not legit and who are exploiting money from you!! I deeply believe that an highly vibrational twin will be able to resonate and weed out the fake ones and the scams! Just be clear in your head, your chakras and be more meditative to be able to discern properly!
Thank you for your wise words Jedilady!! Yes, there are lots of non legit TF coaches out there preying on the vulnerabilities of pain of true TFs, but eventually they will all fall away as we all keep shining our light. ✨💖 On another note, we haven't seen your question come through on our Halloween video. Just checked again and see a comment from you but no question, so feel free to post again and we'll add it to our list of questions to answer :) Sending you much love!! 💗
@@TwinFinity1111 Yes it is still there but as how the Universe works it does not matter anymore if it did not come through your end because you have answered my question in this whole video! Again, thank you so much! 🙏
I am so glad you guys felt the responsibility to talk about this. The journey for most going through this is painful & confusing enough so it's important to hear true, kind loving support. The term tf is so toxic & tainted right now. We are being pushed to really go inward & use our BS radars. Bravo to the people who went through this & found the courage to speak up in that documentary.
Yes, love your words that it's time to go inwards and use our BS radars. That's awesome!! The truth always comes out an those truly on the path will find their way. The journey those went through that did and still have been caught up with TFU is a brave on a soul level as they chose to be connected to the dark to help others see the light in the dark. Bravo to them indeed. Many blessings to you and thanks for being a light of love on this tough journey!! 🙏💗
Thanks guys,agree with you💯 I won't let anyone destract me away from my path....à lot if distraction,distortion out there,only ti confirm to me that we have to stay focused and continue the journey to Self....well done guys...much love,thanks for caring☆♡♡☆
Yes, the more distraction and distortion of the path is certainly confirmation to stay the course all the more. Thank you, so well said!! Sending you many blessings and much love for continuing on and holding light and love!! 🕯💗🙏
Glad you brought this topic forward. I had not heard about this and I appreciate you bringing this forward. I understand more in the last week why Twin Flames are a part of this shift, as the Union, within firstly, and mirrored outwardly is the new basis of the era we are moving into. I see it as I'm studying Gene Keys/ Human Design/ I Ching. It just will be. Having shadow hit this topic, may actually be seen more in the next few years. The great importance of our Sacred Union within helping us to discern from an inner authority stance, instead of the old era of outer authority to help us walk these situations. 💕💕 Sending you love for the tenderness you experienced watching this, so we can benefit from knowing this. ❤️🕯️
Yessss, so perfectly said!! Twin Flames aren't just hear to have a romantic love, we are here for a grander purpose of bring light to the grind to help with the ascension shift into higher consciousness. In order to do that, all that is not of the light (shadow aspects), needs to be brought up to be healed, cleared and transmuted. It's all part of the divine plan in the bigger scheme of things, but still hard to watch in the midst of the chaos. Thank you for the love and we send much back to you as well!!! ❤🧡
Like you said, it's darkest before the dawn. They have been there for a long time. They're just being exposed. Nothing can hide in the shadows anymore. Sending you lots of love💝💖💗
Yessss, so true Heather. Everything is being brought to the light now, not just TF stuff, and though our world looks like a disaster at the moment with all the darkness coming to light, it's actually a really hopeful time knowing that the darkest corners are being uncovered so the dark can be transmuted leaving only light!! Thanks for your love dear sister and we send much right back to you!! 💓🙌💗
A true twin flame does not need anyone to confirm to him that he is a real twin.. At the beginning of my journey, I joined the group and spoke with a person and asked him a number of questions. After End of conversation, I confirmed that these people are only seeking money and exploiting weak people who are in one-sided, karmic, or love relationships. So I relied solely on my spiritual guides and the universe, which always sent me guidance and help. Jeff and schalla not Twin Flame
Thanks for holding the energy that we would address this even when we didn't know we would. I (Angie) just wanted to run away from anything and everything twin flame related. We are all in this journey together though and now more than ever we all need to shine our light and stand firm in who we are--not the label of twin flame, but the light of love that came here to assist with these very times of transmuting the dark and bright light to the planet to assist with the ascension. Thanks for continuing to do your part on the path!! Sending you much love!! 🙏💖
@@TwinFinity1111 I wrote a really teary-eyed reply to your comment and I can't find it. I don't know where it is. Lol. But basically I said your comment made me feel more accepted than I've ever felt by anyone in the community (meaning prominent you tube creators) and I appreciate that so much. If you see that other comment please let me know. Lol. I'm taking great care to make sure I'm posting this one in the right spot 😊
Ya at the beginning of my journey I was watching g everything on RUclips and watched them for a bit but then they felt icky to me so I stopped thankfully. I have never given money for TF coaching or anything. This journey is so painful at times and it’s sad that these people are being taken advantage of. We have to follow ourselves and our own intuition!!
I agree. It’s important to watch and know what’s happening. It’s an opportunity for the spiritual RUclips community to come together and discuss and create some self regulation. Please reach out - we’re organizing a virtual summit to talk about this as a community and create some ethical transparency. I’ve blogged about it in my personal site and spoken about it in a recent RUclips post on the woo woo wellness site.
Thanks for sharing. I got the nudge to watch the Amazon Prime version for myself. Even the trailer is so triggering for me, with the level of disempowerment Shaleia was experiencing is was anything but Divine (pun intended).
Yes, so true. Even the trailer for the documentary packs a punch. Hard to watch, but as transmuters of the dark, we've got this. Sending you big love for your part of this hard but so worth it journey of ascension!! 💓
Recently watched the documentary and it was so heavy. I needed to take a break in between episodes. I can't believe the things that were being done in the name of twin flames. A lot of the people involved had clear deep rooted mental health issues that were being exploited.
The only money I've ever spent on this journey was a monthly $5 donation for a few months to a certain reader I liked and that was just for a show of appreciation for her daily work. A tip. Probably less than $100 altogether.
Thanks for the video Rob and Angie. In essence: if your so called twinflame teachers are not showing and modeling unconditional love, then leave ASAP! It is ultimately about being and knowing Unconditional Love which is how the Divine loves us. If you are not being loved unconditionally for being exactly who you are, then you are not getting the essence of the Twinflame path. That realization of unconditional love leads to feeling whole and that is the goal- feeling whole and complete and absolutely, deeply loved for just being who we are. That starts with us- learning to love ourselves unconditionally. This is what I also tell all my PLR clients who come to me for finding a resolution in their TF journeys. It is all about finding that bottomless well of love deep within, finding our home within. Btw, the documentaries are horrific.
I stumbled across "Twin Flames Universe" many years ago, as I was questioning a deep connection I had and was trying to make sense of it all. I had a brief interaction with Jeff who told me my person was not my twin. His information did not resonate with me at all , and I moved on. Thank God I was able to discern that. I have not watched those documentaries, not sure if I care, to. One thing that stood out to me as you were sharing parts of the documentary is, when you mentioned, Jeff yelling at people... this, does not come from a place of love. That would be my exit, right there!!
Totally! It's unfortunate that these people have been so manipulated by fear and control that they can't see that when someone yells and swears at you for having your own thoughts and feelings, it's a sign to leave. Unfortunately these people have given Jeff so much power that they can't see clearly what's really going on. Let's pray that one day they do!! 🙏
33:33 love that ! My first insight I received post awakening was part of what got me there was embracing my feminine side and bringing that up to balance with my masculine side. My tf physical union, if it exists, hasn’t happened and I’m not sure why we have 1 gender at birth if there is an importance on balancing to be like the other, But I completely agree and enjoy what twinfinity says here 🙏🙌
Thank you for doing this video lovely souls. It was so sad and heartbreaking to watch both of the documentaries and I am glad they are being exposed. They have changed their last name to Divine and I am so concerned for their daughter! Hugs and lovies to you
Hello our beautiful Mrs. MEGnificent. So lovely to hear from you. We miss you!! Soooo crazy that they changed their last names. At the end of the Netflix documentary when they share that they finally had their little girl and her name was Grace Divine, we thought Divine was her middle name not last name. OMG!! Soooo crazy. That soul that chose to come in as their daughter has one hell of a mission ahead of her. Phewwww. Thanks for the hugs and lovies our sweet Meg. We send many right back to you!!! 🤗💗
You guys are the real deal. That is obvious from Day 1. It's very sad that Jeff, the master manipulator and his wife have brought such dishonor to the TF. Their crash and burn won't be pleasant.
Yes, the dark is being brought to the light (not just in the TF community but all over the world in every aspect) and what is not of the light will fall away as we continue to ascend as a planet and human race. Though it's sad to watch on a human level when people take advantage of and abuse others, on a spiritual level it's all for a reason and the truth of light and love will shine brighter in the end. Thanks for you light. Keep shining!! 🕯💞
I’m so grateful for you both it’s clear that you are genuine caring people, I love your videos and they are a massive help for me and others thank you so much for being yourselfs, after watching because i mentioned twin flames to my twin when i awakened i actually have a little anxiety that he watches one of them an it freaks him out specially because we have been no contact for years now, I kind of feel that won’t happen ether because of personal experiences you can’t deny lol but I definitely think these two documentaries are just heartbreaking them poor victims i couldn’t imagine the trauma they have experienced at the hands of evil because only evil can be so nasty and dangerous
Thank you for your beautiful words and so glad our videos have been of help to you!! Know that even if your twin does TFU videos, that he'll find is way to the light because he's connected to you and your light!! Just be you and allow your beacon to shine bright. The light always wins as in the grand scheme that is all there is. Sending you both much love!! 🙏💞
For me, TF journey is a way for personal and spiritual growth. It is really a sad story. I never felt interested to see these two. There was always a sense of cult around them. TF also is a self discovery task leading to self cofidence and not relying upon some outer authority. Thank you for this video! ❤
Twin Flames? I loved that TV show! I was pretty young when it was on TV in the early 90's but I loved the little dude in the red suit that danced around the red room.
Este camino es SAGRADO. Son la Matrix espiritual, y por supuesto, una Secta. Psicópatas. Sigamos con nuestras misiones y caminos. Un abrazo cósmico! 🪬🪷✨ Gracias Angie y Rob.
Thank you!! Yes we agree! This is certainly a sacred path and we agree that now is the time we all need to come together and shine our light even more. ✨💖
I don't feel i need to watch it as it automatically feels like a cult created by a narcissist who is profiting from vunerable heartbroken souls/people. Unfortunately it will resonate with those who do not understand their journey and who are desperately lonely trying to reconnect with someone they think is a twin flame as their own judgement has been shattered. Anyone who is controlling, hurting, abusive is not going to change for you, no matter how much innerwork you do. Innerwork is to improve yourself and help yourself to become whole. I haven't done a video since just before covid started, this is so sad to hear, im seroiusly thinking of doing an update. My twin has cancer so i probably won't as its not a good time, i certainly dont believe i am going to die shortly after him, that is a ridiculous fear to try and instill in twins. Thank-you for speaking out. ❤
I am familiar with twin flame universes group but I never have any interaction. However, I did not know they’ve been scamming people by stealing thousands for their teachings. Though I have watched some of their videos because they spread their knowledge about twin flames all over RUclips. Which did not make any senses to me and I just couldn’t resonate. Because most of them never had a separation phase. Not only that, majority of them were trans twin flames that met inside that group. Which still doesn’t make sense because most of us real Twin flame don’t have any knowledge about twin flame whatsoever and we just live our normal lives until our twin flame come and woke us. We don’t go out seeking for a “twin flame”. This is why I always thought this group is so odd and very cringe. Not only that, they also tell you to do this stupid mirror exercise that you should look for the bad things about yourself telling you that it’ll effect your “twin flame” partner. Which is stupid Af, cus in this journey it’s all about unconditionally love towards yourself and accepting you for you not focus on anyone else to change to cater to you by you healing something within. It doesn’t work like that. If that person is toxic then let them be, one day karma or life will give them a lesson. You should never ever blame yourself for another person’s fault. In their video post/teaching everything is related to God which is cringey af. I only watch real twin flame couples whom I can resonate to, it’s your channel and Lee & Sherry. I’m glad these fake twin flame are being exposed. Sad part is people would always say “who are you to judge who a twin flame, cus you don’t know their journey” obviously these guys are fake Af due to their f up teachings by manipulating/ converting people and such. This isn’t a twin flame spiritual calling but a cult.
I remember watching a handful of their videos back in 2018, maybe, when I was first starting out on this journey. I pretty quickly knew there was an off energy with Jeff and he had "crazy eyes." I stopped watching. Shelia seemed on the passive side or maybe I picked up her fear of not wanting to go against what he said, and he seemed high which was a turn off. He had a bad intentions from the get-go IMO. Not putting my head in the sand deciding not to watch or to give it my energy, I just know it won't benefit me in any good way. You both did an outstanding job addressing this. Thank you. ❤
Thank you for making this video you guys. Very well said. I love what spirit told you about the darkness before the dawn. I watched both series. Very unsettling. My heart breaks for those who got caught up in this. Also sad that people are going to think I am a total nut for thinking I am a twin flame. (As if this journey isn’t hard enough) I heard another legitimate twin channel a message that said this will ultimately be a good thing. It will help move people off this path that should not be on it.(and that this will lighten the load for those of us still on the path ) The right people to their the right places, is how they worded it. Here’s the link ruclips.net/user/livefoPhZC79EXA?si=uLoHNvuNIuuvyfeA Anyways, thanks again for addressing this. Much love for sharing your light with us, please don’t stop doing so! ❤❤❤
Yessss, we soooo agree that in the end this is all part of the bigger plan and will help shake loose those that are not truly on the path. Love the wording "the right people to their right places. That's beautiful!! In the grand scheme there is truly only light. Thanks for the link, we'll check it out. Sending you much love!! ❣♥
I've never heard of Twin Flame U, but I have wanted to escape being a twin flame before! ;D I guess I will learn what the former is about through watching this video, and report back later.... LATER... Wow this is terrible! Sounds like a cult. Hearing that people were driven to damage their bodies over this evil person is just horrible. And it strikes me that it's really not that different than the bill of goods children are being sold to mutilate their bodies as well. I'm not sure whether I'm going to watch the documentaries but I appreciate you both addressing this, as wonderful light beings who are very supportive for Twins. Thank you for your beautiful love and caring and this amazing setting for your video
Big difference between someone forcing you to mutilate the body in a cult and a person of legal age choosing to align their inner essence and outer body of their own free will. Please don't confuse the two. There are people in the transgender community currently dying because of attitudes like this. I'm sharing to dispel ignorance as this is part of my purpose on earth.
@@SilentWolf369 My comment IS discussing children, I didn't even mention trans adults but since you raise the topic I will reply. I am not confusing anything- children are easily influenced and generally uncomfortable in their natural changing bodies and so can and do end up doing things that damage their wellbeing and they end up regretting. This could even be something as simple as tattoos, or bad relationships or eating disorders or it can be medically transitioning. If an adult of sound mind wants to make their own choices I would not interfere with it, but I won't be quiet about children being manipulated and damaged or about vulnerable adults who are desperately seeking a solution to their mental and spiritual issues being unduly influenced to their own detriment. I have experienced other types of deep turmoil and trauma and am aware of how vulnerable it makes you. Nobody dies because of others' attitudes- this is an attempt to push guilt on people and shame them in order to shut down open dialogue and opposing views. People who experience mental illness should get into long term counseling to work on themselves and heal their issues. While some people may be happy with transitioning, and fine for them, although it inarguably damages their physical health but that's their business, there is an abundance of people who regret medically transitioning and feel lied to and taken advantage of and regretful, and have experienced deep loss because of it- loss of fertility, loss of sexual pleasure and function, increased risk of cancer and other diseases, and gay people who are self described as homophobic which lead to them transitioning in order to then prefer the "opposite" sex, and they later realize they were trying to avoid their sexuality to no avail. See the detrans movement for examples of their own words and experiences- these are not my words, they are their words and their lived experiences. These people are valid and also deserve to be considered and heard. The degree to which these people are systemically silenced shows the cult-like aspect of the trans community (and allies) who were once their friends. They feel silenced and rejected and invalidated- these are not my words, again, but theirs. There is an entire industry based around this ideology which enriches doctors, big Pharma, and other companies. There is a culture of affirmation, not of investigation and helping- there is a reason that detrans people feel that they were not properly counseled by the medical professionals they sought, rather they were simply affirmed, not given true therapy or other avenues or made to really understand possible consequences before taking an irreversible action. They felt rubber stamped and sent to medical transition and everyone celebrated it as some profited from it. Except their future self did not. So I would just like if this aspect were taken more seriously. If someone truly understands and has explored other avenues and truly is ready to make that decision, as an adult of sound mind then so be it. But many people are culturally coerced into this decision and end up damaged and more depressed than before. They must be acknowledged and learned from so we can do better as a society. It's ok to question, it's ok to discuss, it's ok to disagree.
So many codependent people out there needing love fall victim. Do your own inner healing and mature emotionally so you don’t get manipulated by these type
In astrology, there is a placement, venus in the 12th house, that attracts unions, themes, and lessons similar to what the spiritual community calls a "twin flame." The venus in the 12th house person is similar to the DF of Twin Flames. Some of the themes of having venus in a person's 12th house includes: a deep and highly spiritual and psychic connection to their partner, mirroring, a divine/pure love, acceptance, protection, and allegiance to their partner, attracting a non spiritual partner who is deeply wounded, as a result, is incapable of receiving, embracing, or reciprocating love, helper energy, runner and chaser dynamic, and isolation. Some lessons include transformation, healing, and self-love. How can a venus in the 12th house person distinguish if they are a twin flame or if their relationship is simply an effect of this placement.
Not a venus 12th house. 12th house stellium for certain. I could tell you all the other archetypes too, but not necessary. I know that I have a profound soul connection that could be explained by the term twin flame. I prefer soul friend myself.
I think I may have gone there during my first experience with bilocation. I never thought of it but can bilocation also include time because this was back in 2016 during my "pre-awakening" awakening when I thought I was crazy so ended up in the hospital where I kept receiving the message that I was going to have a sex change operation and I was terrified. Perhaps watching the docs will help clear up some things I still can't make sense out of from then. Thanks guys, and much love. 💗
Thank you for this video, I'd like to know more...many twin flames search and are familiar with several forms of teaching.teachers...I am hard pressed to feel certain of those who participated in the video didn't do some other soul searching. If they choose to align with J&S, in regards to damage to the aggregate of the community, did they have further knowledge? Also the media loves a good story, basically there are a few dimensions of underlying cringe happening. It is true I feel that the shadow always presents it's story first in any industry... it's easy, dramatic, thematic, when it's the negative. Maybe now the deeper truth has a way in. Many people had know idea what twin flames are and this opened a conversation albeit a shadow one. It's tough, but I feel it will work down the road with the concept it's ok.
I chose you two, after looking for someone who was close to my story. I was looking for someone who wasn't contradictory in what he says. I went through a very difficult period. I had listened to some videos of Jeff and Shalia, but what they said was often contradictory. I also found "Kurt allstar" actually the video of him on the 5 signs is correct. But the rest of his videos are confusing, even if among that confusion you can find something useful. Going back to you two, you are the only ones who have that sincerity in what you do. You did things the same way I would have done these things. Thank you. I don't know who my she is, is she the first of Kurt's 5 signs or is she the second similar to what you felt. Or I haven't met her yet, despite my past experience, of the dark period of the Dark Night of the soul. I'm in a strange period of confusion, and I can't recognize her. It's as if I had her in front of me, but I didn't see her, I didn't know who she is, even though I had her there. For this reason I watched many videos, to try to understand who is causing these sensations inside me. Sensations that don't belong to me, but belong to her. It's truly a strange feeling. Kurt explains this confusion well, but I don't think he has the solution.
Thank you for your kind words. Just a piece of advice if it resonates--search less outside of yourself for her and connect more to the sensations inside to get the answers. Talk to her inside of you and ask her who she is and how she can reveal herself to you in ways you'll know and understand. Sending you continued blessings on your journey!! 💙💜
Exactly do your homework before hiring someone…look at the education… the training ….nowadays everyone call themselves “an experts “ that’s a red flag they cannot be an expert in twin flame as it’s all unique !!! Each case is a new case so no expertise but maybe experts in marketing and greed What training they endure ? ask yourself please🙏 Another red flag to me too !!! the price we do not charge our worth we r priceless we r not whores with a price range 😢more money does not equal to more worth you are 100 % right Angie and rob After 13 yrs of studies and training I m still learning we will never be done growing it’s life there is so much to unleash We need to Found humble help like Angie and rob who does not control you but support you ❤ in this journey for 22 yrs and I would never have the arrogance to call myself an expert the tf journey is so unique no one can tell you what to do as all the answers are with you!!!! we only help Each other 🙏💕let love support each other but no one is better than you or superior than you You have all the answers within the divine is within you not in another human ❤
Personally I distance myself from the label strongly. I do know I am a "twin" and this journey has lead me to strongly resonate Yeshua and Mary Magdalene teachings leading me back to and through the heart and communion with the father/creator and most importantly true self. Ironically these "spiritual" RUclipsrs and influencers all seem to try and emulate Yeshuas look, that's the inverted matrix second coming of Christ for $2222 a course 😂 Also people have to filter the videos starting the same as "hello we're x and y, we are twins in union and certified ascension coaches" as they're students of Jeff and Shillas ponzi. So many of them with the same repetitive language.
I'm commenting mid-video so forgive me if I say something you're already going to discuss. I first thought this will confirm to he who is in denial that I areally am "crazy" OR... this will anger the truth out of him.
And maybe real twins in union, like you two, will end up on Oprah discussing this. I feel it's exposure is about to become nationwide, so this can work for us eventually.
@@MissytheMystic24 yes, it's certainly exposure of the TF concept, though not "good" exposure, but we agree that it's part of the shift in awakening many and that the full truth will come out eventually (of what a twin really is and those that are not real TFs but just in it for the $).
I never connected with these cult members, theyre all over you tube. So many people fell for it.. even that mirror thing is non resonate. I find honoopoono prayer more resonate. The ones who push this buffoonery were victims that became perpetrators. I found non of them as couples to actually feel as true twin flames.
I understand being sucked in after being love bombed but I don't understand how you can give so much money and the nastiness. Much less changing my gender! I've known who is my twin flame for 28 years, the idea that this weirdo can tell me that's not him it's this other person. Unthinkable!
I had no interest in watching it i first came accross those two early on my journey and for me personally thay did not have the third energy that all the true twin flames have when you watch them on a video it unfortunately iwas nevitable that evil was going to infiltate our community very sad
As much as I hate these people and think they are devils, the word false twin flame did not come from them, Its absolutely a real phenomena, a medium who is trained to see the twin ring can tell when it has happened, and I have seen several cases of it, if you look at a pair of twins and you suspect that the feminine is a DF but that the masculine feels off this is what is going on there, I'm not going to go on about the specifics of how this occurs because it is deeply unfortunate and involves a dark force entity meddling with the twin ring so that the victim literally cannot tell that the person in question isn't really their twin until usually a lot of damage has been wrought, but in this way people can also use balancing the energy of the twin ring and union with self to bring this person into a relationship with them and this is.... disastrous, they are not the real twin, deep down the person knows they don't belong with the real twin in the dynamic(feminine twin, it only occurs to divine feminines, divine masculines are just outright possessed if they are vulnerable enough) and resents the situation and they will often be cruel and destructive. If you need an example of what this looks like I'll give an example that is high profile - Will smith is a divine feminine, and Jada Pinkett Smith is his false twin. This is what this looks and feels like both. and the destruction that the false twin causes while they also take up the energetic spot on twin ring so that the real divine masculine cannot use it to organize a meeting with their twin(unless the cord is cut). this is one way you can tell for sure, real twins cannot have the cords between them cut, just disturbed temporarily and false twins can have their cords to the twin ring cut. a lot of suffering occurs in these cases and Jeff Ayan using them for his schemes is just infuriating.
As a person who went searching...I ran across them and something wasn't right. I've listened to you guys from day one and totally different.
It's interesting how many others have said the same thing--something didn't feel right about them. So glad you listened to your inner knowing!! 💗
As a twin, it’s so frustrating that so many false teachers try to use this concept as a dating service. It’s also frustrating that people think it’s a Disney movie. Price charming won’t show up to rescue you from yourself.
This is much deeper than narcissism, folks.
There is such a thing as spiritual warfare. Love wins.
Jeff is a narcissist. They had a coach try to scam me of $10,000 telling me if I didn’t do this, I would never come into twin flame union. I called this coach out and she called me a bully and blocked me. THANK GOD!
I trusted my intuition and 2 years later, God showed me that I was right in trusting myself. I watched both the Amazon and Netflix versions. It’s so disturbing.
I find him to be a jokester and the way Shelia always cringe in his presence bothered me.
So so so happy I trusted my intuition. Thank you both for touching on this matter.
Yes you are so right on about the darkness and light. We need contrast to know that is fear and what is love.
Thank you for taking a stand for the genuine Twin Flames 🔥❤️🔥
Good for you for trusting your intuition and not falling for their manipulations!!
I'm so glad you guys are addressing this! This documentary was brought to attention by my close friend recently, and I had a lot of concerns for the ripple affect of negativity it could have on many. There will be people who will be looking for some good honest support, and you guys are a great resource for that. I am familiar with who Jeff and Shaleia are, but I am thankful I never resonated with them at all and, I personally didn't feel they were being authentic. Just as with any group, or organization etc. where someone is in a position of "power" or "authority" there can a dynamic where their ego can be overactive,and imbalances, and misuse of that authority can occur. That can be a dangerous type situation. People who are in vulnerable emotional states can potentially get caught up in something like that more easily, and that is where the abuse of "power" takes place. The Twin Flame template is all about balancing your own internal emotions and energies so you don't take actions from a place of pain,trauma,distortion,programming etc. Someone who acts from a distorted place,and has a God complex, and takes advantage of others for personal gain is someone who is completely DISempowered inside and trying to fill that hole from the inside out. Like a child that gets bullied and in turn they bully others. That is not what being on a true path of growth and spiritual evolution is at all nor does it have anything to do with love. It's an over inflated false sense of self, and misuse of some self appointed authority and false control. There's nothing powerful about using people who are not in their strongest state of being and manipulating them! In fact I can't think of more cowardly behavior! I see it as an inverted vortex that tries to suck things into it so I (affectionately) call it the "Succubus" energy! My heart goes out to those who are negatively affected, and I hope the ripple of this is minimal. Sorry this is long lol! Thank you Rob and Angie!
Also want to add that I too had the same message of "it's always darkest before the dawn" a few weeks ago so it's also good to hear you echo that! My heart goes out to all in the community whether directly affected or affected by the ripple of this throughout the collective. I feel very much the beautiful sacredness of all soul connections and I have deep reverence for that. Sending a huge energetic hug to all
So very well said! Thanks for your great insights!! Much love 💚
No wayyyy when my life fell apart right before meeting my twin “it’s always darkest before the dawn” kept coming to me! So thankful for you to confirm that message again. I believe in faith, hope, and miracles. Love is real. ❤
And that's the magic of spirit... they speak to us through others and through synchronicities' like this. Yesss, Love is Real!! 💞
Thank you for making this video and for not quitting making more 🙏🏻❤️ I love them so much and your sharings have helped me a lot on my journey. Big TF-community-group hug also from me! 🥰❤️❤️❤️
Thank you! So glad our videos have been helpful to your journey!! We'll all in this together and now's the time for us to stand strong and united. Many blessings to you as you continue on the journey!! 💜
Thank you so much for not leaving and for commenting on this. It’s been hard for me to still associate with the word but when it’s about spirituality, love, and truth and you can separate the scandals from your personal experience of growth within yourself first and foremost (not even thinking about the other person) it’s easy to see that the journey is much deeper and older than this one cult that took advantage of it. Have loved your channel and I appreciate seeing a channel of people in union that WASNT TFU bc usually it’s all TFU people. Single videos are great too and have helped me learn this isn’t about union, but hearing two twins speak together is cool. Bless you both. ❤
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Yes, so understand not wanting to associate with the words twin flames. The good news is the words are just a label and no matter what we all call it, the soul connection is what is important and what's real. No one can take that away.
Thank you for your kind words. Sending you much love!! 💚
This is Twins at their best. Well done guys for being a platform for so much truth 💛
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Thank you for staying with us and continuing to be a part of the twin flame community while working through the feelings and reactions from the twin flame universe scandal. I feel the same way about the videos and how people should watch if they can and work through it. These people's stories deserve to be told.
Thank you for your empathetic and compassionate discussion.
Yes, soooooo agree that these people's stories deserve to be told and heard!!
True twin flames will understand that they don’t know what they’re talking about because we’re advanced beings and not vulnerable to brain control. The unfortunate part is that we’re left even more alone and misunderstood by everyone else who doesn’t understand the connection.
LMAO advanced beings? You people are INSANE
You can be completely hijacked by a narcissist. I was raised to go against my inner guidance system. A skilled predator can control you and you wouldn't know it until it's too late. I have a profound soul connection. Twin flame (I don't use this label. Finger pointing at the moon is not the moon).
Thank you for making this video. From the title of the documentary, I just assumed that essentially the whole twin flame concept was a hoax but in my heart of course there are things that I can't deny nor can I help. That of course was confusing. I am glad you clarify that it was more specifically that 1 person. Love how you both break down topics and give information for people so that they won't fall pray to such things.
Ya, it's unfortunate that the title of the Netflix documentary is just Escaping Twin Flames and not Escaping Twin Flames Universe as it's misleading, but luckily it's very much about TFU and not TFs in general.
Thank you for addressing this. What boggles my mind is these people actually treated the TF phenomenon like a MLM where they thought they could actually push out TFs like some packaged product out of a factory!!
Ya, pretty crazy!!
One slight difference in opinion: Shaleia isn't that innoccent. In earlier video's she was the dominating one and talked often incredibly rude to him. So I have a very hard time believing she is his first victim. They are both toxic and at some point Jeff took over from being the more dominant one and Shaleia became more of a sheep, because she doesn't want to loose the life style.
But they are indeed 100% NOT twin flames and thanks for recognizing as well that he is a total narcassist ❤
Thank you for sharing! We didn't know Shaleia was the dominant one in the early years. Makes the whole situation with those two even more disturbing!!
@@TwinFinity1111 I believe in the Prime doc it was said that she brought the twin flame idea to Jeff and he, having run out of get rich quick ideas, ran with it.
PS: NXIVM and Scientology were/are full of well meaning people who just want to do good in the world.
Thanks for sharing, I hadn't heard of them. The scary part is that they are still operating and have 67 thousand members. I hope those members have the knowledge and strength to break ties with them. It is a terrible abuse of vulnerable people all for the sake of money.
You may or may not know this, but I've been waiting for this moment for some time. Ever since I commented on TFU's death of a twin flame video and told them that what they were saying was in no way my experience. Basically they were claiming that if your true twin dies, you will as well. Obviously this is extremely wrong and can cause a lot of stress and anxiety to those WHO ARE ALREADY DEEPLY IN GRIEF. I all caps this because I can't underline enough on how much DAMAGE that one single video has had on the community of twin flames in spirit. Oh and Shaelea had replied to my comment telling me that if I was still living then my deceased twin flame couldn't possibly have been my TF at all. Which you know this to be false. My beloved has been with me my whole life and more so after he passed on.
edit: Yes this is damaging to the perception of twin flames in general as a concept, however it is very much needed to be seen fully. Those who are truly on the journey won't be swayed because we feel it too deeply. And these are the people that need to be louder. So continue on. I have deleted all my past videos personally and am getting ready to return as a Magical channel and will start uploading again. Not sure how or when I will broach the twin flame subject but I know I won't use that label.
WOW!! Cindy we had no idea about that part of their content. How damaging for sure to tell someone who's just lost their twin that they will die too. OMG!! They just make stuff up as they go along it seems and none of it is congruent. Disturbing!! Good luck with your new YT channel.
Angie and Rob,
Last night I sat up very late...feeling restless.
Just as I was telling myself I needed to go to bed, your video came up. I was SO HAPPY!
I watched it before going to bed, but wanted to sleep on it before commenting.
(other than the comment I wrote to say thank you for posting.)
I woke up this morning feeling happy and rejuvenated.
I must have been sleepier than I thought, because I didn't remember right away that you had done the video.
I had slept with a crystal in my pillow case that I got from my DM, and I thought my feeling was from that.
I felt guided to go to You Tube right away, which is unusual.
That's when I remembered your video.
I think my mind had almost blocked it because this whole thing has been very upsetting and triggering for me...and I haven't even watched the documentaries or been associated with Jeff and Shaleia other than very early on I was friends with her for a short time, and then I began pulling away.
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The reason I have been restless is from one particular incident that happened subsequently to the airing of this documentary.
I am in a group in which the admin wanted to do just what the two of you are advising against...and that is to not discuss it at all.
I have followed this person for many years. I have had private discussions and sessions with them and have had a great deal of admiration for them.
This issue however (which I consider a crisis) is bringing out a side of this person that is triggering me very much.
I tried to respectfully ask them why they are shutting the group down from discussing it and to spare you of any further details, it just spiralad downward from there.
So, although I have a great deal of compassion for anyone who got taken by TFU, and pray they heal, there are other Twin Flame coaches doing this too.
Some more subtly than others.
I have empathy for anyone who is taken advantage of by anyone in the spiritual community in any way. Not only money; but energy too.
This is why I try to emphasize (and I know you say this, too Angie) the importance of protecting, clearing and maintaining your energy.
There are many energy vampires lurking in the Twin Flame and Spiritual communities, and many of them hide in sheep's clothing.
I am so deeply grateful for the two of you, who genuinely love the community and do your videos to answer all our questions.
I know you put a lot of hard work and thought into recording them and publishing them, and I am grateful and have such deep love and gratitude for you.
When this controversy arose, I stepped back and listened to what people were saying.
When you didn't put out a video on 11/11, I felt like you were probably doing the same thing, and that deepened my admiration for you even more.
But then...I started worrying that you were stepping back all together and I prayed that wasn't the case, for the exact reason you said...that we need more Light to offset the darkness. (Contrast).
I know this final point I am going to make goes against the grain from how many other Twins feel, and while I do understand and respect other people's stance on this, I am expressing mine because I'm learning to value and respect my experience and connection as much as other people's.
I DO believe we can discern other Twins. We shouldn't necessarily tell people who their Twin is, but we as genuine Twins are given the gift of discernment as a tool to navigate ourselves through this journey.
I have this gift, just as all true twins do. I am so grateful for it, because the Light between true twins is so beautiful, and gives me a sense of warmth and safety and promise of eternity.
The Light the two of you share has always given me these feelings, and right now more than ever. So, thank you from the bottom of my heart for braving this storm with us and sharing your views on this sensitive topic and very unfortunate situation.
God bless you both.
Much Love and Gratitude
And God Speed all the Twins
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Thank you for your beautiful message Crystal. Yes, it's important that we all stand together in our light more than ever right now. Thank you for continuing on the journey and sharing your light and love as well!! 💓💜
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Anyone can get their natural compass and discernment brutally hijacked by narcissists. I was groomed as a child to go against my inner guidance system. I also have a profound soul connection.
Hi you two, thanks for the vid and helping bring clarity to what the truth is.
I’m a twin and when I first started watching others journeys on the path, I remember seeing their vids and feeling something was off.
I felt the complete opposite when it came to you, I’m so thankful for you. You’re like my twin flame fairy god parents;) Love you guys!!
I feel the same!
Yeeees same!!! ❤
Awww you're soooo sweet. Love your term. We'll happily take on the title of your twin flame god parents!!! Thank you for your beautiful words, your love and your light on this journey!! 🙏💞
Yes Twin flame god parents is the perfect title 🥰
I watched the Twin Flame Universe info with the feeling that these two need to be called out!! I’m horrified by what I saw! Keep up the good fight!
Thank you for posting!!
Ya, it's pretty mortifying that's for sure. Sending you big hugs!
Thank you for doing this video 🙏 Sadly had to be done. I’ve known they weren’t proper Twins for years by their behaviour. I was speaking about them years ago, but the cult usually silences and supresses.
I am glad this topic came out as I wrote a question about this in your October video comments section. I have never resonated to that couple even a ling time ago so i never listened to them. Mind you, there are still a lot of so called TF couples or single TF coaches who are not legit and who are exploiting money from you!! I deeply believe that an highly vibrational twin will be able to resonate and weed out the fake ones and the scams! Just be clear in your head, your chakras and be more meditative to be able to discern properly!
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Thank you for your wise words Jedilady!! Yes, there are lots of non legit TF coaches out there preying on the vulnerabilities of pain of true TFs, but eventually they will all fall away as we all keep shining our light. ✨💖
On another note, we haven't seen your question come through on our Halloween video. Just checked again and see a comment from you but no question, so feel free to post again and we'll add it to our list of questions to answer :)
Sending you much love!!
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@@TwinFinity1111 Yes it is still there but as how the Universe works it does not matter anymore if it did not come through your end because you have answered my question in this whole video! Again, thank you so much! 🙏
I am so glad you guys felt the responsibility to talk about this. The journey for most going through this is painful & confusing enough so it's important to hear true, kind loving support. The term tf is so toxic & tainted right now. We are being pushed to really go inward & use our BS radars. Bravo to the people who went through this & found the courage to speak up in that documentary.
Yes, love your words that it's time to go inwards and use our BS radars. That's awesome!! The truth always comes out an those truly on the path will find their way. The journey those went through that did and still have been caught up with TFU is a brave on a soul level as they chose to be connected to the dark to help others see the light in the dark. Bravo to them indeed. Many blessings to you and thanks for being a light of love on this tough journey!! 🙏💗
Thanks guys,agree with you💯 I won't let anyone destract me away from my path....à lot if distraction,distortion out there,only ti confirm to me that we have to stay focused and continue the journey to Self....well done guys...much love,thanks for caring☆♡♡☆
Yes, the more distraction and distortion of the path is certainly confirmation to stay the course all the more. Thank you, so well said!! Sending you many blessings and much love for continuing on and holding light and love!! 🕯💗🙏
From nowhere I felt the need to see you on RUclips. ❤
Glad you brought this topic forward. I had not heard about this and I appreciate you bringing this forward.
I understand more in the last week why Twin Flames are a part of this shift, as the Union, within firstly, and mirrored outwardly is the new basis of the era we are moving into. I see it as I'm studying Gene Keys/ Human Design/ I Ching. It just will be. Having shadow hit this topic, may actually be seen more in the next few years.
The great importance of our Sacred Union within helping us to discern from an inner authority stance, instead of the old era of outer authority to help us walk these situations.
💕💕 Sending you love for the tenderness you experienced watching this, so we can benefit from knowing this. ❤️🕯️
Yessss, so perfectly said!! Twin Flames aren't just hear to have a romantic love, we are here for a grander purpose of bring light to the grind to help with the ascension shift into higher consciousness. In order to do that, all that is not of the light (shadow aspects), needs to be brought up to be healed, cleared and transmuted. It's all part of the divine plan in the bigger scheme of things, but still hard to watch in the midst of the chaos.
Thank you for the love and we send much back to you as well!!! ❤🧡
Like you said, it's darkest before the dawn. They have been there for a long time. They're just being exposed. Nothing can hide in the shadows anymore. Sending you lots of love💝💖💗
Yessss, so true Heather. Everything is being brought to the light now, not just TF stuff, and though our world looks like a disaster at the moment with all the darkness coming to light, it's actually a really hopeful time knowing that the darkest corners are being uncovered so the dark can be transmuted leaving only light!! Thanks for your love dear sister and we send much right back to you!! 💓🙌💗
A true twin flame does not need anyone to confirm to him that he is a real twin.. At the beginning of my journey, I joined the group and spoke with a person and asked him a number of questions. After End of conversation, I confirmed that these people are only seeking money and exploiting weak people who are in one-sided, karmic, or love relationships. So I relied solely on my spiritual guides and the universe, which always sent me guidance and help.
Jeff and schalla not Twin Flame
So wise of you to see through them and know the truth!!
I ran across them in the beginning after recognition, spirit immediately told me they were not for me.
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Wow!
I am SO HAPPY
You guys did this!
I was hoping you WOULD!
thank you.
I'm watching you now
Thanks for holding the energy that we would address this even when we didn't know we would. I (Angie) just wanted to run away from anything and everything twin flame related. We are all in this journey together though and now more than ever we all need to shine our light and stand firm in who we are--not the label of twin flame, but the light of love that came here to assist with these very times of transmuting the dark and bright light to the planet to assist with the ascension. Thanks for continuing to do your part on the path!! Sending you much love!! 🙏💖
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I wrote a really teary-eyed reply to your comment and I can't find it.
I don't know where it is.
Lol.
But basically I said your comment made me feel more accepted than I've ever felt by anyone in the community (meaning prominent you tube creators) and I appreciate that so much.
If you see that other comment please let me know.
Lol.
I'm taking great care to make sure I'm posting this one in the right spot
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@@CrystalTwinStar we haven't seen your other comment so it must have gotten lost in the technology ethers. Nontheless, sending you big hugs. 💓💗
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Thank you.
Same to you.
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Ya at the beginning of my journey I was watching g everything on RUclips and watched them for a bit but then they felt icky to me so I stopped thankfully. I have never given money for TF coaching or anything. This journey is so painful at times and it’s sad that these people are being taken advantage of. We have to follow ourselves and our own intuition!!
I agree. It’s important to watch and know what’s happening. It’s an opportunity for the spiritual RUclips community to come together and discuss and create some self regulation. Please reach out - we’re organizing a virtual summit to talk about this as a community and create some ethical transparency. I’ve blogged about it in my personal site and spoken about it in a recent RUclips post on the woo woo wellness site.
Sounds awesome!!
You’re totally right, since i saw them, my intuition sensed that they wasn’t telling the truth.
Very wise of you to listen to your intuition!
Thanks for sharing. I got the nudge to watch the Amazon Prime version for myself. Even the trailer is so triggering for me, with the level of disempowerment Shaleia was experiencing is was anything but Divine (pun intended).
Yes, so true. Even the trailer for the documentary packs a punch. Hard to watch, but as transmuters of the dark, we've got this. Sending you big love for your part of this hard but so worth it journey of ascension!! 💓
Recently watched the documentary and it was so heavy. I needed to take a break in between episodes. I can't believe the things that were being done in the name of twin flames. A lot of the people involved had clear deep rooted mental health issues that were being exploited.
They most likely were childhood victims of narcissistic abuse. Trauma is not always mental health / illness.
The only money I've ever spent on this journey was a monthly $5 donation for a few months to a certain reader I liked and that was just for a show of appreciation for her daily work. A tip. Probably less than $100 altogether.
Thanks for the video Rob and Angie.
In essence: if your so called twinflame teachers are not showing and modeling unconditional love, then leave ASAP!
It is ultimately about being and knowing Unconditional Love which is how the Divine loves us. If you are not being loved unconditionally for being exactly who you are, then you are not getting the essence of the Twinflame path. That realization of unconditional love leads to feeling whole and that is the goal- feeling whole and complete and absolutely, deeply loved for just being who we are. That starts with us- learning to love ourselves unconditionally.
This is what I also tell all my PLR clients who come to me for finding a resolution in their TF journeys. It is all about finding that bottomless well of love deep within, finding our home within.
Btw, the documentaries are horrific.
Thanks for you wise words Smita 💖
I stumbled across "Twin Flames Universe" many years ago, as I was questioning a deep connection I had and was trying to make sense of it all. I had a brief interaction with Jeff who told me my person was not my twin. His information did not resonate with me at all , and I moved on. Thank God I was able to discern that. I have not watched those documentaries, not sure if I care, to. One thing that stood out to me as you were sharing parts of the documentary is, when you mentioned, Jeff yelling at people... this, does not come from a place of love. That would be my exit, right there!!
Totally! It's unfortunate that these people have been so manipulated by fear and control that they can't see that when someone yells and swears at you for having your own thoughts and feelings, it's a sign to leave. Unfortunately these people have given Jeff so much power that they can't see clearly what's really going on. Let's pray that one day they do!! 🙏
33:33 love that ! My first insight I received post awakening was part of what got me there was embracing my feminine side and bringing that up to balance with my masculine side.
My tf physical union, if it exists, hasn’t happened and I’m not sure why we have 1 gender at birth if there is an importance on balancing to be like the other, But I completely agree and enjoy what twinfinity says here 🙏🙌
Thank you for doing this video lovely souls. It was so sad and heartbreaking to watch both of the documentaries and I am glad they are being exposed. They have changed their last name to Divine and I am so concerned for their daughter! Hugs and lovies to you
Hello our beautiful Mrs. MEGnificent. So lovely to hear from you. We miss you!! Soooo crazy that they changed their last names. At the end of the Netflix documentary when they share that they finally had their little girl and her name was Grace Divine, we thought Divine was her middle name not last name. OMG!! Soooo crazy. That soul that chose to come in as their daughter has one hell of a mission ahead of her. Phewwww.
Thanks for the hugs and lovies our sweet Meg. We send many right back to you!!! 🤗💗
@@TwinFinity1111 thank you for your sweet words!!!!!
You guys are the real deal. That is obvious from Day 1. It's very sad that Jeff, the master manipulator and his wife have brought such dishonor to the TF. Their crash and burn won't be pleasant.
Yep 👍 they stopped posting videos and karma is a B word
Yes, the dark is being brought to the light (not just in the TF community but all over the world in every aspect) and what is not of the light will fall away as we continue to ascend as a planet and human race. Though it's sad to watch on a human level when people take advantage of and abuse others, on a spiritual level it's all for a reason and the truth of light and love will shine brighter in the end. Thanks for you light. Keep shining!! 🕯💞
What the heck?? You two are adorable 😄☺️ it’s nice to see some TRUE TFs in you two and in the comments ❤
Aww you're so sweet 💖
I’m so grateful for you both it’s clear that you are genuine caring people, I love your videos and they are a massive help for me and others thank you so much for being yourselfs, after watching because i mentioned twin flames to my twin when i awakened i actually have a little anxiety that he watches one of them an it freaks him out specially because we have been no contact for years now, I kind of feel that won’t happen ether because of personal experiences you can’t deny lol but I definitely think these two documentaries are just heartbreaking them poor victims i couldn’t imagine the trauma they have experienced at the hands of evil because only evil can be so nasty and dangerous
Thank you for your beautiful words and so glad our videos have been of help to you!! Know that even if your twin does TFU videos, that he'll find is way to the light because he's connected to you and your light!! Just be you and allow your beacon to shine bright. The light always wins as in the grand scheme that is all there is. Sending you both much love!! 🙏💞
@@TwinFinity1111thank you so much 💙💖
For me, TF journey is a way for personal and spiritual growth. It is really a sad story. I never felt interested to see these two. There was always a sense of cult around them. TF also is a self discovery task leading to self cofidence and not relying upon some outer authority. Thank you for this video! ❤
I appreciate you guys.
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Twin Flames? I loved that TV show! I was pretty young when it was on TV in the early 90's but I loved the little dude in the red suit that danced around the red room.
Este camino es SAGRADO.
Son la Matrix espiritual, y por supuesto, una Secta. Psicópatas.
Sigamos con nuestras misiones y caminos.
Un abrazo cósmico! 🪬🪷✨ Gracias Angie y Rob.
Thank you!! Yes we agree! This is certainly a sacred path and we agree that now is the time we all need to come together and shine our light even more. ✨💖
I don't feel i need to watch it as it automatically feels like a cult created by a narcissist who is profiting from vunerable heartbroken souls/people. Unfortunately it will resonate with those who do not understand their journey and who are desperately lonely trying to reconnect with someone they think is a twin flame as their own judgement has been shattered. Anyone who is controlling, hurting, abusive is not going to change for you, no matter how much innerwork you do. Innerwork is to improve yourself and help yourself to become whole. I haven't done a video since just before covid started, this is so sad to hear, im seroiusly thinking of doing an update. My twin has cancer so i probably won't as its not a good time, i certainly dont believe i am going to die shortly after him, that is a ridiculous fear to try and instill in twins. Thank-you for speaking out. ❤
Thank you for sharing!! Sending hugs, healing and love to you and your twin as you both go through such a challenging time!!! 🤗💞🙌💗
I am familiar with twin flame universes group but I never have any interaction. However, I did not know they’ve been scamming people by stealing thousands for their teachings. Though I have watched some of their videos because they spread their knowledge about twin flames all over RUclips. Which did not make any senses to me and I just couldn’t resonate. Because most of them never had a separation phase. Not only that, majority of them were trans twin flames that met inside that group. Which still doesn’t make sense because most of us real Twin flame don’t have any knowledge about twin flame whatsoever and we just live our normal lives until our twin flame come and woke us. We don’t go out seeking for a “twin flame”. This is why I always thought this group is so odd and very cringe. Not only that, they also tell you to do this stupid mirror exercise that you should look for the bad things about yourself telling you that it’ll effect your “twin flame” partner. Which is stupid Af, cus in this journey it’s all about unconditionally love towards yourself and accepting you for you not focus on anyone else to change to cater to you by you healing something within. It doesn’t work like that. If that person is toxic then let them be, one day karma or life will give them a lesson. You should never ever blame yourself for another person’s fault. In their video post/teaching everything is related to God which is cringey af. I only watch real twin flame couples whom I can resonate to, it’s your channel and Lee & Sherry. I’m glad these fake twin flame are being exposed. Sad part is people would always say “who are you to judge who a twin flame, cus you don’t know their journey” obviously these guys are fake Af due to their f up teachings by manipulating/ converting people and such. This isn’t a twin flame spiritual calling but a cult.
Yup, so agree with all you have said. Certainly not a group about true spirituality, but about manipulation and control.
Destruction is a part of creation. Thank you 🙏🏻 💕✨
YESSSS, so well said!! ✨💖✨
I just watched that shit (the second one) last night, I couldn't finish it, it was all fucked up. yinyang balance within yourself
Great video! Thank-you ♥♥
I remember watching a handful of their videos back in 2018, maybe, when I was first starting out on this journey. I pretty quickly knew there was an off energy with Jeff and he had "crazy eyes." I stopped watching. Shelia seemed on the passive side or maybe I picked up her fear of not wanting to go against what he said, and he seemed high which was a turn off. He had a bad intentions from the get-go IMO. Not putting my head in the sand deciding not to watch or to give it my energy, I just know it won't benefit me in any good way. You both did an outstanding job addressing this. Thank you. ❤
Very wise of you to have tuned into the feeling that things weren't quite right with their stuff years ago. Sending you much love! ❤
Thank you for making this video you guys. Very well said. I love what spirit told you about the darkness before the dawn. I watched both series. Very unsettling. My heart breaks for those who got caught up in this. Also sad that people are going to think I am a total nut for thinking I am a twin flame. (As if this journey isn’t hard enough) I heard another legitimate twin channel a message that said this will ultimately be a good thing. It will help move people off this path that should not be on it.(and that this will lighten the load for those of us still on the path ) The right people to their the right places, is how they worded it. Here’s the link
ruclips.net/user/livefoPhZC79EXA?si=uLoHNvuNIuuvyfeA
Anyways, thanks again for addressing this. Much love for sharing your light with us, please don’t stop doing so! ❤❤❤
Yessss, we soooo agree that in the end this is all part of the bigger plan and will help shake loose those that are not truly on the path. Love the wording "the right people to their right places. That's beautiful!! In the grand scheme there is truly only light. Thanks for the link, we'll check it out. Sending you much love!! ❣♥
A place for everything and everything in its place.
I put the link but decided just to post the message since it’s a long video. Marla at Twinstrology also addressed it today.
I've never heard of Twin Flame U, but I have wanted to escape being a twin flame before! ;D I guess I will learn what the former is about through watching this video, and report back later.... LATER... Wow this is terrible! Sounds like a cult. Hearing that people were driven to damage their bodies over this evil person is just horrible. And it strikes me that it's really not that different than the bill of goods children are being sold to mutilate their bodies as well. I'm not sure whether I'm going to watch the documentaries but I appreciate you both addressing this, as wonderful light beings who are very supportive for Twins. Thank you for your beautiful love and caring and this amazing setting for your video
Yes, it's terribly disturbing indeed and very much cultish!
Thank you for your kind words 🙏💜
Big difference between someone forcing you to mutilate the body in a cult and a person of legal age choosing to align their inner essence and outer body of their own free will. Please don't confuse the two. There are people in the transgender community currently dying because of attitudes like this. I'm sharing to dispel ignorance as this is part of my purpose on earth.
@@SilentWolf369 My comment IS discussing children, I didn't even mention trans adults but since you raise the topic I will reply. I am not confusing anything- children are easily influenced and generally uncomfortable in their natural changing bodies and so can and do end up doing things that damage their wellbeing and they end up regretting. This could even be something as simple as tattoos, or bad relationships or eating disorders or it can be medically transitioning. If an adult of sound mind wants to make their own choices I would not interfere with it, but I won't be quiet about children being manipulated and damaged or about vulnerable adults who are desperately seeking a solution to their mental and spiritual issues being unduly influenced to their own detriment. I have experienced other types of deep turmoil and trauma and am aware of how vulnerable it makes you. Nobody dies because of others' attitudes- this is an attempt to push guilt on people and shame them in order to shut down open dialogue and opposing views. People who experience mental illness should get into long term counseling to work on themselves and heal their issues. While some people may be happy with transitioning, and fine for them, although it inarguably damages their physical health but that's their business, there is an abundance of people who regret medically transitioning and feel lied to and taken advantage of and regretful, and have experienced deep loss because of it- loss of fertility, loss of sexual pleasure and function, increased risk of cancer and other diseases, and gay people who are self described as homophobic which lead to them transitioning in order to then prefer the "opposite" sex, and they later realize they were trying to avoid their sexuality to no avail. See the detrans movement for examples of their own words and experiences- these are not my words, they are their words and their lived experiences. These people are valid and also deserve to be considered and heard. The degree to which these people are systemically silenced shows the cult-like aspect of the trans community (and allies) who were once their friends. They feel silenced and rejected and invalidated- these are not my words, again, but theirs. There is an entire industry based around this ideology which enriches doctors, big Pharma, and other companies. There is a culture of affirmation, not of investigation and helping- there is a reason that detrans people feel that they were not properly counseled by the medical professionals they sought, rather they were simply affirmed, not given true therapy or other avenues or made to really understand possible consequences before taking an irreversible action. They felt rubber stamped and sent to medical transition and everyone celebrated it as some profited from it. Except their future self did not. So I would just like if this aspect were taken more seriously. If someone truly understands and has explored other avenues and truly is ready to make that decision, as an adult of sound mind then so be it. But many people are culturally coerced into this decision and end up damaged and more depressed than before. They must be acknowledged and learned from so we can do better as a society. It's ok to question, it's ok to discuss, it's ok to disagree.
So many codependent people out there needing love fall victim. Do your own inner healing and mature emotionally so you don’t get manipulated by these type
YES!
In astrology, there is a placement, venus in the 12th house, that attracts unions, themes, and lessons similar to what the spiritual community calls a "twin flame." The venus in the 12th house person is similar to the DF of Twin Flames. Some of the themes of having venus in a person's 12th house includes: a deep and highly spiritual and psychic connection to their partner, mirroring, a divine/pure love, acceptance, protection, and allegiance to their partner, attracting a non spiritual partner who is deeply wounded, as a result, is incapable of receiving, embracing, or reciprocating love, helper energy, runner and chaser dynamic, and isolation. Some lessons include transformation, healing, and self-love. How can a venus in the 12th house person distinguish if they are a twin flame or if their relationship is simply an effect of this placement.
Not a venus 12th house. 12th house stellium for certain. I could tell you all the other archetypes too, but not necessary. I know that I have a profound soul connection that could be explained by the term twin flame. I prefer soul friend myself.
I think I may have gone there during my first experience with bilocation. I never thought of it but can bilocation also include time because this was back in 2016 during my "pre-awakening" awakening when I thought I was crazy so ended up in the hospital where I kept receiving the message that I was going to have a sex change operation and I was terrified. Perhaps watching the docs will help clear up some things I still can't make sense out of from then.
Thanks guys, and much love. 💗
Thank you for this video, I'd like to know more...many twin flames search and are familiar with several forms of teaching.teachers...I am hard pressed to feel certain of those who participated in the video didn't do some other soul searching. If they choose to align with J&S, in regards to damage to the aggregate of the community, did they have further knowledge? Also the media loves a good story, basically there are a few dimensions of underlying cringe happening. It is true I feel that the shadow always presents it's story first in any industry... it's easy, dramatic, thematic, when it's the negative. Maybe now the deeper truth has a way in. Many people had know idea what twin flames are and this opened a conversation albeit a shadow one. It's tough, but I feel it will work down the road with the concept it's ok.
O M G !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😱😱😱😱
I chose you two, after looking for someone who was close to my story. I was looking for someone who wasn't contradictory in what he says. I went through a very difficult period. I had listened to some videos of Jeff and Shalia, but what they said was often contradictory.
I also found "Kurt allstar" actually the video of him on the 5 signs is correct. But the rest of his videos are confusing, even if among that confusion you can find something useful.
Going back to you two, you are the only ones who have that sincerity in what you do. You did things the same way I would have done these things. Thank you.
I don't know who my she is, is she the first of Kurt's 5 signs or is she the second similar to what you felt. Or I haven't met her yet, despite my past experience, of the dark period of the Dark Night of the soul. I'm in a strange period of confusion, and I can't recognize her. It's as if I had her in front of me, but I didn't see her, I didn't know who she is, even though I had her there.
For this reason I watched many videos, to try to understand who is causing these sensations inside me. Sensations that don't belong to me, but belong to her. It's truly a strange feeling.
Kurt explains this confusion well, but I don't think he has the solution.
Thank you for your kind words. Just a piece of advice if it resonates--search less outside of yourself for her and connect more to the sensations inside to get the answers. Talk to her inside of you and ask her who she is and how she can reveal herself to you in ways you'll know and understand. Sending you continued blessings on your journey!! 💙💜
Exactly do your homework before hiring someone…look at the education… the training ….nowadays everyone call themselves “an experts “ that’s a red flag they cannot be an expert in twin flame as it’s all unique !!! Each case is a new case so no expertise but maybe experts in marketing and greed
What training they endure ? ask yourself please🙏
Another red flag to me too !!! the price we do not charge our worth we r priceless we r not whores with a price range 😢more money does not equal to more worth you are 100 % right Angie and rob
After 13 yrs of studies and training I m still learning we will never be done growing
it’s life there is so much to unleash
We need to Found humble help like Angie and rob who does not control you but support you ❤
in this journey for 22 yrs and I would never have the arrogance to call myself an expert
the tf journey is so unique no one can tell you what to do
as all the answers are with you!!!!
we only help Each other 🙏💕let love support each other but no one is better than you or superior than you
You have all the answers within
the divine is within you
not in another human ❤
Im so surprised at jeff and shaliea wow i couldn’t believe the things they allegedly did…altho i have always found them a tad bit weird
Personally I distance myself from the label strongly. I do know I am a "twin" and this journey has lead me to strongly resonate Yeshua and Mary Magdalene teachings leading me back to and through the heart and communion with the father/creator and most importantly true self. Ironically these "spiritual" RUclipsrs and influencers all seem to try and emulate Yeshuas look, that's the inverted matrix second coming of Christ for $2222 a course 😂
Also people have to filter the videos starting the same as "hello we're x and y, we are twins in union and certified ascension coaches" as they're students of Jeff and Shillas ponzi. So many of them with the same repetitive language.
Peeps!, Call on Christ and you will be OK! 🙏
I'm commenting mid-video so forgive me if I say something you're already going to discuss. I first thought this will confirm to he who is in denial that I areally am "crazy" OR... this will anger the truth out of him.
And maybe real twins in union, like you two, will end up on Oprah discussing this. I feel it's exposure is about to become nationwide, so this can work for us eventually.
@@MissytheMystic24 yes, it's certainly exposure of the TF concept, though not "good" exposure, but we agree that it's part of the shift in awakening many and that the full truth will come out eventually (of what a twin really is and those that are not real TFs but just in it for the $).
good thing that ‘phony’ was my initial cringe when I watched. and then went on to watch another show.
I never connected with these cult members, theyre all over you tube. So many people fell for it.. even that mirror thing is non resonate. I find honoopoono prayer more resonate. The ones who push this buffoonery were victims that became perpetrators. I found non of them as couples to actually feel as true twin flames.
So glad you saw through them right from the beginning and didn't get sucked into their games and manipulation!
And, lastly, I do believe it is quite possible to Follow Christ without being a Christian!! I'm against religion.
AJ from TwinLightz manipulated people as well
Sadly many use the TF platform to manipulate people's vulnerability. Very sad!
I understand being sucked in after being love bombed but I don't understand how you can give so much money and the nastiness. Much less changing my gender! I've known who is my twin flame for 28 years, the idea that this weirdo can tell me that's not him it's this other person. Unthinkable!
Ohhhh, hon, it's just not true that there are no villains. Therein lies your deep confusion. Christ taught us the absolute truth!!
I had no interest in watching it i first came accross those two early on my journey and for me personally thay did not have the third energy that all the true twin flames have when you watch them on a video it unfortunately iwas nevitable that evil was going to infiltate our community very sad
As much as I hate these people and think they are devils, the word false twin flame did not come from them, Its absolutely a real phenomena, a medium who is trained to see the twin ring can tell when it has happened, and I have seen several cases of it, if you look at a pair of twins and you suspect that the feminine is a DF but that the masculine feels off this is what is going on there, I'm not going to go on about the specifics of how this occurs because it is deeply unfortunate and involves a dark force entity meddling with the twin ring so that the victim literally cannot tell that the person in question isn't really their twin until usually a lot of damage has been wrought, but in this way people can also use balancing the energy of the twin ring and union with self to bring this person into a relationship with them and this is.... disastrous, they are not the real twin, deep down the person knows they don't belong with the real twin in the dynamic(feminine twin, it only occurs to divine feminines, divine masculines are just outright possessed if they are vulnerable enough) and resents the situation and they will often be cruel and destructive. If you need an example of what this looks like I'll give an example that is high profile - Will smith is a divine feminine, and Jada Pinkett Smith is his false twin. This is what this looks and feels like both. and the destruction that the false twin causes while they also take up the energetic spot on twin ring so that the real divine masculine cannot use it to organize a meeting with their twin(unless the cord is cut). this is one way you can tell for sure, real twins cannot have the cords between them cut, just disturbed temporarily and false twins can have their cords to the twin ring cut. a lot of suffering occurs in these cases and Jeff Ayan using them for his schemes is just infuriating.
What are the odds that mine is the 144th 👍? 😄
Heyyyy, cool :)
I don't like the way this can potentially cause people to look at real twins.