Who is god of what in Norse myth?
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- People disagree about who is "god of ___" or "goddess of ___" in Norse myth, but these simple labels don't really help us understand these complex gods, or the way the Norse thought about them.
Dr. Jackson Crawford is Instructor of Nordic Studies and Nordic Program Coordinator at the University of Colorado Boulder (formerly UC Berkeley and UCLA). He is a historical linguist and an experienced teacher of Old Norse, Modern Icelandic, and Norwegian. FAQs: • Video
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Watching this alone late on a Friday night, I very much feel called out.
Same here!
"Related to keeping people out of doorways"
What an oddly specific power for a god
I was curious about that one because Sinn is an extremely early mentioned figure in Irish lore along with Daire (with the same word-meaning derivations and name correlations to - Darios and a longer Vedic one) but I otherwise can't find these more obscure translations to grasp any meaning.
Some irony there, our heraldry is an open book with a rampart (city/wall defense) element.
I could use that god's power because wow, do some people not understand that when you say "bye" to each other, that doesn't mean hang out in my doorstep with the door cracked and keep talking for 5-10 more minutes.
@@sympathiea this is so common in the American Midwest we actually have a term for it.
@@joshuamoughler5539The Midwest Goodbye
well, a more dramatic way to put it might be “gate guardian”. Watching and keeping boundaries.
"They probably spend their Friday nights alone" :D
Your next video should be about the Norse god of Snark. Oh wait, that's probably all of them -- and you're representing the pantheon well. Carry on. ;)
That was a most excellent burn. I giggled. xD
Or they spend their Friday nights with other Norse language experts doing some seriously weird cosplay ... :-)
Like/Upvote for Norse god of Snark! :)
Dr. Crawford is the Norse god of snark
Snark was liable to get you killed in the Norse world... A good insult was very powerful.
We do say things like "Man of Old Norse" in a way, with things like Instructor of Nordic Studies. I think people generally want a pantheon of separate realms, it makes it easier to understand and fit into a system of theology.
That was a very good point made about how polytheists understand their gods and their world. This is also a problem in Celtic mythology because there are so many gods of war, gods of the sun, gods of rivers, etc. There's a trend amongst celticists to interpret these as different names for the same god, but it is really important to instead put ourselves in the shoes of people who worshipped those. Did they really think they were only different names? We're probably thinking about it way more than they were.
I find your videos fascinating and your knowledge is very useful. You inspired me to start my channel about my own academic endeavours. Thank you.
It does make more sense to look at it as fields they have attributes to.
There may be 10 different deities involving the sea but they may matter to a particular locale/tribe, or different aspects of the field. A god of boats would matter to shipwrights and sailors trying to make repairs in a pinch, aspects of sea-wind when dealing with favorable or unfavorable winds, and being associated to the tides (like the moon is) mattering with plans of departure or arrival, or planning where to go on the Yule tide.
I find it understated when he mentions Thor has these other title-names, but Odin is also literally known as 'Thundr'. "Is Thor the god of thunder?" 'Yeah, he's the son of Thundr.'
I'm absolutely in love with your channel, it helps me to study norse in a country where i really can't. Greetings form Uruguay!
ElPapoide nononono es imposible haber encontrado a otro heathen en Uruguay, siempre pensé que era el único!
This video was very helpful! I think that there are so many of us that have a strong desire to learn about early Norse culture, but often have to wade through books or websites that have sourced some sort of New Age interpretation of the Gods (or the Runes, or the culture, etc.) In addition to that, the same sort of distortions arose when the Christians were recording these details hundreds of years ago... so it's very helpful to have someone detail where some of these distortions came from and what the original (or...as close as we have to original) texts say... this was great.
Great insights. Odin has a plethora of names; why not the others? For example, I suspect Ullr and Tyr are the same god. Both names correlate to 'glory' and similar and I doubt Tyr has anything to do with the sky - a vowel shift changes meaning towards glory/honor/reputation/achievement and away from 'god' and 'sky'. Perhaps Tyr just means something like 'most godlike - the best' and it's just a kenning for Ullr. Odin, knowing Ullr is the most honorable and trustworthy of the gods, can trust Ullr to rule in Odin's stead while he is away because Ullr will step down once Odin returns. Similarly, Ullr-Tyr is associated with Law because he is incorruptible - honorable without fail. I could go on, but it's just my speculation. There are perhaps few gods, but many attributes spread between them.
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Great and informative video! I've always thought that referring to Thor as the "God of Weather" and Odin as the "God of Rulership" was a drastic oversimplifcation and a very modern view that each god had their own spheres of influence. Sure, things are associated with them and certain deities are more seen as patrons of different groups, but the Medieval and Ancient World, I think, defies neat categorization.
I can think of another association of Aegir to the sea, however - Egil expresses a desire to kill him in Sonatorrek (his son drowned in a storm at sea.) I've always found that a particularly moving phrase - he would murder the ocean itself to avenge his son, but of course he can't.
I am really impressed with your pronunciation of words! I'm Norwegian, and even I sometimes struggle pronouncing old Norse! And thanks you for making things more clear. Sadly, our schools doesn't wanna teach too much Norse anymore, so it kinda sucks getting to know my native religion. I now practise witchcraft with Åsatru, because it's what my ancestors followed, and I feel that connection to it.
I feel like you give viewers a lot more knowledge than just old Norse. Great points about labeling.
Ive learned so much from your videos. Thank you sir, keep it up!!
Very thought provoking, thank you.
I have become absolutely enthralled with your videos! Your point of applying Christian values and thought process are dead on & I didn't even think about it. In addition and/or another point, it seems like that there are multiple gods of the same thing (i.e. nature, the sea, war, etc.). Just something I've noticed. Keep up the great work!
As always great, very informative video
I think of the Norse gods as the ancestors. When I'm told stories about the exalted dead in my family, its told differently every time. There are points played up or glossed over to Express the point of the story. It fits for me that they are referred to differently. Like my grandfather; a happy go lucky drunk hiding depression, an excellent bowler, a man quick with a joke, a workaholic. Look at all the names I gave him.
Thank you for sharing your knowlege skill set with us,Thankyou,Kind Sir.
HAHA you are so funny! " Probably just means they spend their Friday nights alone. " You are a riot. I tuned in to your great lectures just because I am going to be a tourist in Iceland I wanted to know how to say Please and Thank You and such, but these lectures came up and I got hooked.
as always very helpful. thanks
Thank you for the videos.
Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday
Lundi Mardi Mercredi Jeudi Vendredi
Mind. Blown!
I sure hope Santa Monica Studios knows who you are and what you do. Thank you for all your wonderful content.
I love these, thank you. I learn.
Dr. Crawford, have you watched The Almighty Johnsons before? It was a New Zealand dramedy tv show a few years ago. Watching this video made me think of it again and I will probably binge it on Netflix. It has in a roundabout way, the Norse gods embodied in it.
So basically Viking or norse gods where living breathing gods with own personality that had their own social structure, that did what they wanted to do and that people just saw as role model?
Excellent talk on the context of old Norse religious views.
Trying to make our medieval sources fit our modern perceptions and fantasies. I like that. Perfectly put.
very useful and informative
interesting ~ ive seen the Thor films and while they're fun i never felt a moments connection with the ancient ways but listening to Dr J is something else, i've this urge to look for ravens lately.
> They probably spend their Friday nights alone
Why alone? With Frigg **badumtss**
Belated but always enjoy your work, reminds me I wish the line between STEM and other academic pursuits weren't so staggered at different education venue levels, I'll call it.
Can't expect wonders out of a town where an Old English last name confuses all but the sharpest of teachers.
Thanks a Tun from a Knight of Ni.
I think that labeling the gods as god/ goddess of subject helps with offerings and honoring. For example a fisherman might make an offering to Aegir (I know I didn’t use the proper symbol) in hopes of calm waters or fair winds.
I'm no Norse scholar but I have read some authors that associate Njordr with seashore/coastlines while AEgir (the brewer of mead) with the deep boiling/frothy ocean. Both are "gods of the sea" but differing parts/associations.
I'd love to learn more about Sigyn, but unfortunately there's not a lot known about Her outside of the mention in the Eddas.
I'm certainly no expert and this is just my opinion but, I think a lot of Christian scholars that interpreted pre-Christian mythologies merely reassigned functions from Greek mythology to other gods, ignoring the fact that they came from completely different cultures with different sensibilities. A lot of polytheistic gods were regional, or locational, rather than being the god of this human aspect or that intellectual concept. They may have been the god of a certain forest or the god of a certain valley, not the god of war or whatever.
Yeah I agree, though it can also be explained that way since the cultures weren't entirely detached (Indo-European) and that 'way' of categorizing came out of that.
A lot of the more niche central European deities like that either get assimilated into a wider concept if they aren't preserved or become forgotten largely. Like Herne / Cern / Etc (Horned God of the Wild Hunt) - Odin is also attributed to this, and his 'portfolio' eats them up. - Or as our kind host said, someone else may splinter a separate identity off of a title attributed to someone specific.
Since they can be regional, but the role may co-exist between many regions. It's like the 'Trinity Sister/s of Fate' is a shared belief. The details vary. Hecate, the Morrigan and the Norns are all very different respectively, but you can refer to them collectively as 'The Fates', no?
I think that also touches base on the Disir and such. The spirit of THAT tree is a local thing. The Great Tree Spirit an umbrella term for all tree spirits - since 'logically', every tree must then have it's own part of the Wyrd to respect.
Because of the influence of classical literature and mythology we tend to try and force any pantheon into the Romano-Greek model, and in particular a western Christian view of that model. Another example of the need to shed preconceptions when trying to understand another culture.
Matthew Doye I'm curious as to whether the Greek and Roman mythological characters aren't just as much victims of this oversimplification process as Nordic myth figures...
They really are. There is lots of overlap in those pantheons as well especially as Rome expanded and adopted many other gods who shared a similar role.
You’re the man,
Of old Norse!
Hello Mr. Crawford. I like your channel. Can you please make a video analysis about the Hrungnishjarta(Hrungnir's Heart)? I know there are some information in the internet about it but there are so many different views about it that makes me not trust them. Thank you.
Dr. Jackson Crawford: the man of Old Norse
You are the best! Just smile sometimes please :D Friday nights :D
I also read "American Gods" a long time ago,, now, I find I must re-read it. Cheers!
"...all it tells you is that they probably spend their Friday nights alone...."
That was pretty darn funny.
This is great.So AEgir is an early "Davy Jones." People oversimplify and the opposite. Then again we have archeological evidence that Lu is the Chinese god Yu; and it is obvious that the Celtic god Hern is the Hindu god Shiva lord of animals as the exact same depiction is used for both.
Isn't multiple names for a god a common practice in nearly all cultures? Old Norse seems to have a couple of layers additional layers of distractions.
They do, but another way to look at it is as some say, there's different Cults like the moon, sun, mushroom and sea cults. Different hats, temples, mystery school / priesthoods. (Priest hoods? As in both neighborhoods, and literal hoods / robes.) Like Helios and Apollo are both of the Sun.
Helios being important enough to have a city in name, where as Apollo has a temple in name and an oracle.
A lunar cultist may frame of reference one and have this mean something, like - the source of light the lunar co-exists by, another may be the actual celestial body and it's influences (day, heat) to them.
Not to mention the whole PhD aspect where this set of gods would be the 'body of knowledge' on this subject and who puts one above the rest is a devotee to that deity and your different camps would then be in debate or have different views and ideas/beliefs to that subject from one another.
Not unlike questioning a little conversation Bjorn and Co. may have had when going to the desert. One may think it was the very realm of fire while another, or a local, may be more about the nature of dry-earth and the sand itself. The sun is the same, glaring brightly in the tundra or on the dunes. The rest of the 'land' is what is starkly different, instead of frost-water dunes, it's parched sand long abandoned by the sea that formed it.
Polytheism from Animism like the Vanir seems to be more iconic of, is about comprehending Natural Forces of the world, and the later 'Metropolitan' Conceptualized gods ... as per the Greek, the 'later' ones are all man-made constructs or concepts, like War and Wisdom. Figures to comprehend human-world and mind aspects. Just like 'War' can be in defense, as offense, or just a 'thing' that happens, or a way of life the Warrior revolves around. You can have wars of words, 'proper' war, and a war against a nature event (or god, then). Holland's dams came to mind, it's a means people levied against - the sea overtaking the land.
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...Yep, you're officially the Internet Man of Old Norse now. :P Silliness aside, was Greco-Roman myth more like this, with specific gods slotting into specific domains? If so that is probably the major source of this confusion.
I detect a perfect about of snark! Also, you are my new/favorite crush!!
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the Irish word for ocean is aigéan. is this related to Ægir?
Ægir literally means "sea" in Old Norse, so it is distinct possibility that "aigéan" and "Ægir" share something in common, considering they are both Indo-European languages. Admittedly, they are fairly distantly related, about as much as modern Irish Gaelic is from English or German.
If wiktionary has it right, that word was borrowed into Old Irish from Latin and ultimately Greek, which seems to have borrowed it from a non-indoeuropean word (English cognate ocean.) The only etymology I found for ægir has it as indo-european and cognate to aqua, but that looks more like a guess than a certainty.
Sounds more like an interpretation of the agean sea near Greece
thank you.
I am not at odds with your general attributes for the Gods, and I worship them. I actually like your wit very much. I figure Norse men had individual concepts of the relationship with their patron / matron Aesir.
It is the nice thing about polytheism in that I am not commanded to believe so I can approach them as an archetype or feel a connection to them as an entity of great power when I do a blot. That flexiability ironically allows for more objectivity. I get what I need and have no guilt for how I view the religion. I like the story of Rig , but am annoyed by the folkish followers of Asatru that say it is only for the European and genetically predisposed. Old Norse religious practices varied probably as much as their language and to claim we in any way practice a revival of a religion that is prehistory borrowed from foreign influences and then later recorded by Christianized Europeans. a fact that makes it viewed through a distorted lense and opens me up to deserved ridicule for the impossible. Still it makes more sense to follow a religion adapted to the native European then an Abrahamic religion that seems utterly foreign and opposed to my mentality. I find the commandments of the Bible every bit as barbaric and anachronistic as the lessons I glean from the Edda. Dr. Crawford has actually confirmed some of my misgivings about the translations and given me a great deal to consider based on what we don't know. I do feel a kinship to the Aesir. Note that I said feel. I try not to over analyze my "faith" and base my rites on utilitarian practices. I obviously can't die in battle wielding a battle axe though DC metro area traffic often makes it tempting.
Thank you, someone else who follows the norse gods intelligently.
Joe Trimble It would probably be tempting on Atlanta traffic, too.
Joe Trimble I wouldn't consider myself to be "folkish", but I do feel like reconnecting with my ancestors was a part of the reason that my patron chose me. I grew up catholic and only ever felt like I was just "going through the motions". I would ask questions and get answers that I felt were insufficient or just didn't make sense at all. Around the age of 15 I stopped going to church and lived as an atheist until last year. To me, they're real, at least in the context that our 9 realms could theoretically be what we call dimensions.
Not sure if you have her mentioned in any of the videos, but what about Sol (Sunna)...is she considered to be a goddess?
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MC of Asgard lol
Are there any indications in the Edda or elsewhere that Tyr and Freyr could be identical?
Noatun does sound similar to Neptune. Could they be cognate?
Yup, Fridays are sweet. To read allllllll alone. Made me laugh so hard.
Do you have a website or something or syllabus?
It’s actually closer to Dr. Jackson Crawford of Boulder Colorado than you having to do anything with the foundation of the city then?
Wait, why is Tyr Mars, it's the same name as Zeus/Dios/Ju in Jupater, like dyew-dzew,zeu,jeu thing turning into Tiw, Tyr etc
Because the Norse god Tyr had lost it's sky god association by this point.
In this case,because Tyr -> Tuesday = dies Martis -> Mars. As he points out, it's not really a great inference.
When was the last time you heard a monotheistic missionary or any kind accurately characterize and record an indigenous language or pantheon without wild butchery and inference?
Assuming all gods are just the devil is their most obvious blatant inference (if you read Bede talking about Mercia it will make you cringe, as with most Spanish mission writers talking about the Inca,) but Greek-Roman-Hebrewcentric thought also meant they ascribed Germanic, Celt, & Scandinavian gods with Roman & Greek gods. Indigenous peoples the world over rarely have a "god of" rather, they are often portrayals of human like intelligence in a body of natural phenomena, thus there never being *one god made of all the events of weather, geology, childbirth, etc.
"Yall look alike," is pretty common in these situations, since the church/mosque plans to just throw it all out anyway after the inevitable conversion - if not extermination.
>"Yall look alike," is pretty common in these situations, since the church/mosque plans to just throw it all out anyway after the inevitable conversion - if not extermination
quite ironic statements, considering that pretty much almost everything we know about Old Norse mythology comes from Christian sources
Brandan Lee The Romans were still pagan when they introduced the days of the week to germanics. Which is why we have Sunday rather than Lord's day, like the romance languages have.
i wonder your thoughts on Hel
I have always used God of "__" for talking about deities with those who are unfamiliar. BUT I don't say "THE God" but "A God" as a practicing pagan, and as someone who just loves studying Theology in general from around the world, I use "A God" as a stand in for "Deity Associated With" the normal idea of Each God or Diety must have a job or association makes some sense but I suppose after the majority of the world follows One God or One God and several Saints and/or Prophets of specific things, they could see the conflict of for example of Odinn and Bragi as conflicting for THE God of Poetry but they are instead both Gods of Poetry. Either in different forms or aspects. Odinn is of War and so is Tyr, but Tyr is often specifically of Victory, Similar to Ares and Athena being of War's Brutality and War's Strategy. Two different ways I see it.
Right on, that is what I try to convey to people, even if I don't practice such things.
It also came to mind that was in the story of Lugh himself, since he had to find a 'role' in the Tuatha and they had 'someone in that role already' when asking about god of X, Y and Z, and so he said 'Yes, but do you have anyone who is proficient in ALL the skills, knowledges and ways?'
Realizing they didn't, they then welcomed him.
And it makes sense to me since, then, say when 'the gods go to war', they have a war council and they can each bring something to the table. Can't put all the eggs in one basket, as it were. Odinn was always the one going out and meddling or assisting in mortal affairs, too, which few others are noted for. Loki seemed to fill that role within Asgard, as a contrast.
Has anyone else noticed how you always distinguish between "wh-" and "w-"? Is that the influence of Old Norse?
Man of Old Norse and Cowboy Hats narrows it down a bit more.
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did you mix up the roman and norse gods by accident? you said that mercury is equivalent to odin and jupiter is the same as thor, thats backwards right?
Nope, that would be the gloss. Eg w french/English: mercredi/Wednesday (Mercury/Odin) jeudi/Thursday (Jupiter/Thor)
Ah see thats where your translation is wrong. Its actually hey do you know that 'Hot Old Norse guy on RUclips?' Ive used that many times and the person always knew who I was talking about.
Perhaps someone will see my comment: how did the formula "god of X" come into being at all?
Jackson Crawford, I was wondering something but I don't know if you care about this channel enough to answer us, but, what is your ancestral mix? I'm a population geneticist and I think I'm more excited to hear about other people's ancestors than they even are. Would you tell us what your autosomal DNA predictions and percents are or have you not used a DNA service for that yet? If you know on paper, what do you think you're composed of? This is not a negative discussion at all, I'm just curious.
What happened to I∂unn (idunn)? I thought (s)he was the god of poetry and Freiya's lover.
lol Hey, the god of poetry does not spend his Friday's alone. He's normally with Snotra, the goddess of singing.
Did the Norse have a 7-day week? Did THEY consider our 'Day of Mars' to be sacred to Tiw? Was the middle-day of the week sacred to Odin? Or was it imposed upon them in later years by people from the Roman society south of them, seeking out local Nordic gods to associate with Mars, Mercury, Jupiter/Jove and Venus? It's well-known that the Greek god Hermes -- Mercury to the Romans -- was associated with the Egyptian god Thoth [i.e. Tehuti]. Is a similar sort of thing going on here, when neighboring cultures attempt to find parallels between one pantheon and another?
If you read the Roman sources on Mars and look at his cult, he seems less like a god of war than a god of adult male social roles ( in Rome farmer, soldier, and priest). The equation of Mars with Ares seems silly to me. Maybe Tyr is a god of ideal adult male behavior.
I find it weird you mention Týr but forgot to mention that He was originally the head of pantheon not Odin. Some time later Odin become more popular than Týr and become the head of pantheon, the god we know today.
Please correct me if this wrong.
I've heard some research that some think Thor is actually Odin's father .. and then, as the good Dr pointed out, Odin named his son Thor - much like 'Odin Thorson' could then exist. That idea came out of studies of Britain with 'Thors den' full of the stone ax-hammers.
I think it may also have to do with who is being spoken of. The Vanir seem to be a different group and then they had their own people. Like talk they were only allowed to marry other Vanir or trolls and not Aesir. Whether its Danes and Swedes having a schism or this referring to Slavs and their gods (ruling demi-god priest/king class) or something else, can be interesting to me too.
Something I've noted and rambled around about is how Tyr is also in Irish as King's Land and legends with vaguely similar characters. Even during the Migration period we had peoples with different languages but similar-ish beliefs melting pot in and branching back off of each other.
Not unlike the Goths having up to three splinter groups. Ostrogoths kept their language in their Crimean region up into the 1800s or so. That could show for a branch like that. Tyr may have been more popular among victory-seekers, who then assimilated else-where, leaving behind the wisdom-seekers and others, to shift emphasis.
Also, for a further contrast, like the tale of Nuada which also has Tyr qualities, having lost his hand he was no longer 'unblemished' and could no longer be Face/Head Ruler of the pantheon. So Tyr may have been the chieftain until Fenrir bit off his hand - then the title had to go to someone else?
I find it interesting the Mac Cu Roi / Cu Cullen historical-legend has a pattern there too where Lugaid lost his hand when Cu Cullen bound himself to a standing stone to die. Last I knew my McConri clan back in Galway still raises wolf-hounds and Cu Roi / ConRi all means 'wolf/hound king', and so the Houndings and Wulfings conflict makes me curious.
A genealogist mentioned to one of my aunts how somewhere our ancestry came up as Visigothic, while also being sea-farers from Ireland. Records on Sea-Kings is hard to come by especially smugglers, and the only documented mentions I've found were of the Visigothic clergy buddying up to the Irish one as neighboring ties.
He also mentioned Tyr is synonymous with 'god/deity' .. and on the side bar, I see he has a whole separate video on Tyr vs Odin as Chief God a year after your post so I may just be waxing in here but hopefully my ramblings are of value to someone sometime somewhere.
@@jairoukagiri2488 Your ramblings are actually quite valuable, I also know Tyr synonymous with Tiwaz, the sky/sun itself, that's maybe why.
@@Aldnon Thanks man, that is an interesting point too, a sky-father figure who lost significance with all of Odin's exploits which no other one has achieved.
Slavic ones I've read into but some things are more obscure than others.
After watching about a zillion of your videos, the phrase "I am an Old Norse specialist" now sounds like "I am an old Norse specialist." I always think, "You don't look so old to me." How about, "My specialty is Old Norse." I know you're not going to change, however.
I think there must have been more intersting stories about Tyr that are completely lost to us since the ancient storytellers decided he'd lost his hand in an act of responsible self-sacrifice. Maybe it's pointless to conjecture. Maybe it's a worthwhile exercise in thought.
If you look at attitudes as far forward as the American Civil War you see stories about maimed war veterans who, after returning home, would be marginalized and shunned by everyone including their own wives. It's pretty clear that something similar also happened in antiquity.
The name Tyr suggests that he originally had the lead role in the pre-existing Proto-Indo-European pantheon and would have been the equivalent to a Zeus or Jupiter. There is now no way to know how far the chauvinist traits associated with those two reach back. Even Loki doesn't insult Tyr for that.
It was pretty much guaranteed that the Romans, in their first contact with the Germanic tribes, would get the roles of Tyr and Ođin backwards - precisely because Ođin would have replaced Tyr in the Germanic mindset after "The Maiming". That's not to say that Tyr wasn't completely thrown out. He continued to be "present" in their court system. We still offer our own right hands up to a God in our own legal system to this day, suggesting that the Christian world did accept an equivalence in the concepts of responsibility and self-sacrifice encompassed by this being but, for the sake of consistancy dropped the name altogether.
BTW, I tend to think of pantheons as a list of personality types that would have originally been a parent's teaching tool but somehow became exaggerated over the generations. I'd be interested to know if that much is an existing hypothesis or where to look to find out.
This "Snorri Extended Universe" of goddesses appear to be like discount superhero's that various comics have facilitated that have quickly gone to the BAD IDEA bin (that's the trash).
Friday nights, I get it.
Who is God of God's?
When it came to Njord and Aegir, I always thought: Njord is the Lord of Seafaring, docks and maritime affairs. / Aegir the Lord of the Depths, Waves and the Ocean as a Whole. / One is above the water and the other is under, plus Njord has nice feet. xD
Basically personalities.
Let's just set and examples with three gods that i will make for this:
- Lu
- Kukul
- Konko
Lu is a god who wields the thunder, however, he mostly uses it to spread chaos and to judge opponents.
Kukul however, wields the thunder, as a way to indicate that rain is about to come and fertilize the earth.
Konko on the other hand, wields the thunder, just to showcase his abilities as a fighter.
All three of them are thunder gods, yet, each one uses the thunder according to their personalities.
From my own readings, I find Njørd to be more of a summer god. I back that up by citing his lack of marital bliss with Skadi, whom would rather sleep to the sound of wolves calling than the cry of sea birds.
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Why didn't you mention Sunday and Monday? As far as I understand it They were named after Sunni and Mani.
The Norse gods refuse to be labeled. Nice!
So, Syn is the goddess of bouncers?
God of specialized cowboys in the field of old Norse and wearer of excellent suits.
Odin is called Thundr? I assume that word must surely be etymologically linked to Thor/Donar/Thunor/thunder, right? Why is Odin getting called “thunder” when Thor’s, like, RIGHT THERE. What is he, chopped liver? Rude.
The Gallows God,
It gladdens me to know that Odin prepares a feast, I will not enter Odin's Hall with fear, the aesir will welcome me I shall drink ale from Longhorns.,...
Jokes on you...I'm playing dungeons and dragons on Friday nights. So very useful and untrue 😂
Man Of Old Norse = MOON; Scholar Universal (Norse) = SUN.
vár spring
monday mánadagur tuesday tysdagur weddensday mikudagur onsdagur mivikudagur tursday hósdagur tórdagur fridey friggjadagur saturday leygardagur sunday sunnudagur
Let me just add one little thing on this, and Jackson should correct me if I am wrong since he knows a lot more than me on this subject.
And that is the distinction of Vanir and Æsir.
In Norse mythology, there is this reference to an ancient war between the Vanir and Æsir. And it says that when that war ended and I guess the Asir kind of won, they took some of the other sides to live at each other as "hostages".
What I have read that some believe is that at some earlier stage there was a more nature-like religion in Scandinavia where the focus was on the fertility of the soil and such, And this was the Vanir.
Then at some point, the greek/roman warlike religion moved north, and on the way, the roman gods mutated into the Æsir.
So there was a religious war in the north at this early stage(just like how it was later when Christianity came), but this first war was settled by the people taking to worship a lot of these new Gods, the Æsir, but also kept some of the old gods to worship like Frøy and Frøya. And just added the war to the mythology itself as an event.
Anyway,
My point is that since Norse mythology then actually consists of 2 different "pantheons" there is no wonder that there can be two different .
The Third,
Odin: god of wisdom
He sacrifices one of his eyes in the well of the giant Mimer to gain the wisdom of that well, he has a spear called Gungnir, he has a 8 feeted horse called Sleipner, he also has two ravens called Hugin & Munin who brings him news from all over the world.
Odins day = wednessday (onsdag)
Thor: god of thunder
Son o Odin and has a hammer called Mjölner/Mjolnir.
Thors day = Thursday (torsdag)
Frej: god of fertility
In Sweden we celebrate him with the midsummer pole, which is essentially just a giant penis. But not only for aking kids, it's in hope of getting a good harvest.
Frejs day = Friday (fredag)
Loki: god of mischief
Half-brother of Thor and also son of Odin. A drunk ass party animal that is always up to no good.
He's not evil, he just want to make practical jokes and test people, but he is also a coward.
Hel: god of death
She guards the realm of the dead Hel (=Hell) and she sends Valkyries to collect dead people and transports the with the ship Nagelfar(father of nails) which is a ship made entirely out of finger and toe -nails.
Fenrir(Fenrisulven): the giant wolf
Locked with dwarfed chains ibued with magic, but once he gets loose he will chase the sun and the oon across the sky and when he catches the ragnarök(armageddon/doomsday) will be upon us, this is when the Asgardians(gods) will step down along with the honored dead called Enhärjarna, that died in battle and gained a place in Valhalla.
They will then fight all the horrors thinkable in a final battle in Midgård (the realm of men).
Ha ha, the sub titles called him an " old nurse" not old norse
Lol below comment....yes true
Sorry,not related but.. your eyes remind me of amber and wooden bark..
I am a Viking I'm going out to raid I have riches on my mind, I am a warrior my heart is made of steel.