How to build your own ABSOLUTE POSITIONING SYSTEM (like GOTO) for Sky-Watcher STAR ADVENTURER
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- Опубликовано: 22 июл 2024
- This is a followup video of a video about my kind of a GOTO system for Sky-Watcher Star Adventurer: • GOTO SYSTEM for Sky-Wa... . Here I explain all the technical details of how I put everything together and calibrated it so you can recreate this for yourself!
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Declination protractor scale to print:
► www.dropbox.com/s/h66ayg6masx...
Written guide for which way to turn the declination knob:
► www.dropbox.com/s/ol781dqotod...
Right Ascension timelapse that maps setting circles position to Hour Angle:
► www.dropbox.com/s/1ih5wfn1dd2...
After Effects script if you want to make your own mapping timelapse:
start_deg=0;
end_deg=360;
current_deg=linear(time, 0, comp('Pre-comp 1').duration, start_deg, end_deg);
current_h=Math.floor(current_deg/15);
current_m=Math.floor((current_deg - current_h*15) / 0.25);
a=(Math.round(current_deg * 100)/100)+'deg
'+current_h+'h '+current_m+'m';
'HA: '+current_h+'h '+current_m+'m'
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Video of the person (Daryl P) that made the declination scale (that I was inspired by):
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Absolutely stellar video as usual. I have to admit that you’re the first person I’ve actually turned on the notifications for because I know that every video is going to be packed with useful info. Thanks!!
Thank you so much Jasmine, that means a lot! This comment made my day 😊
Just amazing, Your videos are easy to follow and yet covers everything perfectly! just amazing, thank you!!!
Tested it and it works rly nice. Few pointers for ppl who wanna do it too.
1. Print the picture from Deryl P (link for video in description) as photo 13x18cm or 5x7 inch. It is exactly 11,1cm as Kamil sugests in video. Glue it with simple paper glue, it worked for me :).
2. Set up your Adventurer at starting position as he shows in video all water lvled up at 0 hour and check your starting position. From the timelapse video he recorded check at what time its on your Adventurer position and the diference u simply add to your time. For example mine is +4h4min so if target is at 6h10min in Kamils timelapse video mine will be at at 10h14min. That way u dont have to make your own video and just use his :).
3. When u are polar aligned it takes like 1min to find any target u want with 95% accuracy. First check it on visible ones like pleiades or andromeda and if they are dead centre u can target anything.
I tested it with 75-300 canon lens, but next week i will get 72ED skywatcher so will reply how it works with it :) (if i remember)
Now i dont need expensive GO TO and just use mine small Adventurer :)
I know it's a bit late but can you share how did it go. I have the same set and i'm intrested how it performs with 72ed
@@jostbogataj2404 It works fine even with 400-500mm telescope. Tested this with 72ed and 500mm achro refractor and it just increases the precision of your calculations :) when u are more zoomed in its rly izi to be off by little bit and u miss the target :) and if u are intereted in tracking, the 72ed could do 1min subs without any startrails but u need to have good polar alignment :)
@@AnnoyingFly Thanks for a quick reply :)
My 0 is at 7/12.... Would that make my offset to Kamil's +3hrs 7min?
Great content as always Kamil
thank you so much!!! I was looking for a video like this!
WOW !!! as usual it's so well explained. Thank you very much for your documents which I uploaded. Be well and I look forward to testing all this with my star adventurer and seeing your next videos ;O)
As always, super useful and informative. Love this grab and go tracker but really need some fine tuning and I'm finding it on your videos.
Thanks a million!
Great help Kamil. As usual, excellent tutorial with lots of efforts to make it simple for beginners.
Awesome, I will give it a try!
Excellent Kamil. I too have the same mount in red color, and I love it a lots. Your tweaking will make it even better now. Thanks for making and sharing this precious information 😊. Subscribed 👍
Hi Kamil, and thank you for all your effort sharing this system. I’ve been using it for a while and it’s amazing how much time you can save by using it. I also realized that you can use the PS Allign Pro app to locate any object. This is what I do:
1. Use a planetarium app (like Stellarium) to find the Altitude and Azimuth coordinates of the object.
2. I put my phone on the telescope, barely aligned to the top, and turn on the Daytime/No polar scope alignment feature on the PS app. On the bottom, I can see the Altitude and Azimuth coordinates I’m pointing to as I move the telescope around.
Hopefully this will help some of your followers too. The accuracy depends on the calibration of the gyroscope and compass on your phone, but for short refractors works very well.
Congrats for your amazing channel!
What app is that?
Thanks a lot for this tutorial!
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I printed the whole document at 5x7 300 dpi. Works perfect.
Thank you, now I know where my error was when I tried to make it from your first video.
Great info. Thanks for that
Man you're truly a genius🤯🤯🤯 this is like a game changer for the little StarAdventurer. Thanks so much for the free sheets, detailed explanation and everything ❤ May God almighty reward you with many kids 🤓 jkjkjk
That is such a genius trick thank you for sharing
Thank you Kamil !! Perfect Job !! All qüestions has been answered !! I,ve substituted the video tool to find HA by a formula in Excel.
Very useful, thank you very much👍
Thanks for this. I will try it. I'm using a 500mm focal length and as you mentioned with crop factor it's a pain in the neck to star hop in some regions especially if there's also plenty of light pollution.
Excellent rundown of your system. Made it clearer to me. Still don't quite catch the section on the level for 0 position. I'm using a Skyguider Pro with an IPolar installed so I made a scale on the IPolar. I'm trying to use your techniques but it is a different configuration with a DEC Bracket. I made a new video spinning the RA and your script was very helpful. Tough to make the spin not to blur or run smoothly. Thanks for the GoTo ability although it has to be clear here for a test run. Show us more examples of finding other objects easy & hard. Thanks,
Great Kamil! I have already tried it several times, the last week, and it works very well for me, I almost all find them on the first try and most on the second. I even managed to find M104 on the negative scale -it was on the second try- I recorded your video of the hours from my cell phone and saved it to consult it and put the scale of the date circle in the same position as you show. I printed the grade label very similar in size to yours and followed the rest of your instructions. It works very well and will be very helpful and time saving. Thank you again Kamil and we look forward to your videos already applying your system in the field. regards
Thanks for the comment. I’m very glad to hear that it works for you 🙂
I tried to rotate the clock on my Skywatcher to match with your video and it seems to be working, there was about 5.5 ticks difference between mine and yours. Thanks for the very helpful video.
New subscriber here, thank you so much for all of your videos! I'm in the process of trying to set up the go-to system on my SkyWatcher. One tip I may have to offer others, if you have access to a laser level, turn on both the vertical and horizontal lasers, and point their intersection at the screw on your declination bracket and you get a quick and easy way to mark your 90° and both 0° lines. After that, I simply cut a strip of paper, laid it over the marks and marked it to match up to the once I made with the laser level. Then I printed out your protractor scale in different sizes until I found the perfect match to the marks I made on my piece of paper. You can change the ruler on any word processing app to millimeters to get in the ballpark, then stretch the photo as needed to make it fit perfectly. So far it's working great!
Great video, thanks! An App where you insert the coordinates and it gives you the right way to turn the dec knob and the calibrated circle position in RA would be awesome!
I shall write one then! I’m a software engineer after all 😃
@@kamilkp I did not know! That's great, it would be a life saver for the big community of star adventurer users! :)
@@kamilkp Hello Kamil,
have you gotten around to programming an app yet? It would be nice if I could download one somewhere.
Thank you very much.
@@kamilkpthis would be so awesome!!!! Or at least a small website where we could put in our data… PLEASE do it
Thank you Kamil….Will probably do the easiest thing and use your video of the dec and adjust that with an offset relating to my own mount…that is great…please if possible show us more videos of you using this setup to easily find sky objects.😊🔭❤️👍🏼
That’s the plan!
Muchas Gracias!!!!!!!!!!! eres una gran ayuda, Cielos despejados
Really am impressed by the time and effort you put in to help the astro community! I myself just started a year ago and bought a sky watcher a month back. Still have to learn polar alignment but these video’s are so helpful! Thank you very much. 👍
Thanks for the kind words!
I agree, he helped a ton with learning the ropes. Made my job a lot easier and brought some of the frustration levels down. I remember when my Star Adventurer got delivered and I was clueless but he explained in FULL DETAIL with amazing how to approach and even added extras.
you are my hero !!!
Thank you for the video that you uploaded. What I found that my scale units differ from you 3.50 hours from you. Will see on field when sky clears. If that works it will save an hour for me 😀
Really great job, I'm just starting my adventure with astrophotography.
Greetings from Bochnia.
nice vid. i've been using something similar to this technique for a while now with my setup... beware of dew on your taped dec scale ;-)
Thanks
Fantastic video as always, thanks a lot Kamil! I printed out the declination protractor and I will try this method tonight. It has always been a headache to try to eyeball the target, take a picture, plate solve, try to figure out which way to go every time when I'm framing up an object.
I will also use the rotated reticle on PS Align Pro for the first time tonight, it's going to be great to be able to check the polar alignment periodically without having to rotate RA back and forth.
I was wondering , why not use the same method of reading out the HA instead of the more complicated method of making a video and consulting it each time? Specifically reading where the Oct 31 mark (big one between 10 and 11 on the date graduation dial) is pointing on the hour graduation dial. I compared your video with my copy of Star Adventurer, and they are pretty close. I'm assuming the difference is due to what you were referring to in the video; the small imperfections in the production of different units. Since the hour angle readout method takes these into account, it should be possible to use this for aiming the RA axis.
Anyway, thank you very much for the informative and well produced videos; you're really good at explaining these stuff :)
Thank you very much for that eyeopening video ... might be GOTO for the poor man, but certainly for the clever mind :-)
Hahaha yeah, absolutely 😄
Hi Kamil, You have an awesome collection of videos :) I have printed the declination scale correctly, created the time lapse video as you have. Is there another video editing program i can use to add the clock? I don't have Adobe After Effects.
Please make a video showing how you use the scales to point to a target. Thank you.
Hi Kamil, great video, question for the southern hemisphere. Does 0 RA start on the left and 12 on the right? Opposite to northern?
Thanks Kamil
You deliver such great tips!
I have fixed the scale and got ready to film when the tracker moves over 1 day. Wondering how you did this for so long electricity and how memory cards could gather all the info? Best regards Henry W
I set the speed of my tracker to rotate 360deg in 20 mins. Check out this vid of mine: ruclips.net/video/8vTtbZESHXs/видео.html
Great explanation; but a question, for Windows users, how can we create or use for After Effect?
If we just align our scale to what your video with timestamps on it. Would it work without any adverse effects? (Just always put the outer zero mark lined up with the in ~10.75 mark)
Hi Kamil
I have made a video when the tracker rotates 1 lap in 20 minutes exactly it stopped correctly.
I have tried to edit in Adobe After Effect everything works well I get the clock in the video.
But if I drag the video to the end, the video stops exactly where they should.
But the clock shows 23.59. Have tried for a long time but can not get ithe clock to be 24 .
Wondering if you can have an idea why.
Best regards Henry
Where do you get the scale to print out.
Why does the reticle rotate more than 90 degrees when I rotate from 0 to 6 on the Time Graduation Dial?
Stelar video! Got it! Works
Is it possible to just move the date graduation dial to match yours at the beginning of the time lapse?
You could adjust the time meridian indication on the date graduation dial to match mine indeed. But you’d need to make sure you remember it’s position in case it gets moved accidentally
Thanks for taking this project on Kamil! I'm wondering if using the video is a bit over thought? If each small tick on the date graduation circle is 4 minutes (assuming 12 hours per revolution) then wouldn't a small app or spreadsheet be able to compute the offset required?
The date dial counts days and months - not hours
@@kamilkp I think he knows that and is saying write a script. Stellarium says 7 hours 55 min. Enter that number in and it translates it to the months days settings.
Where do you get the scale?
How did you find the start point in RA please coud you write it in french
How long should it be once printed out?
For Pi, I would use the calculators version with more decimal places...at least 3.1415927. In this case answer is 11.12. I am going to size mine in photoshop as it is easy to just size it there and set the printer at 100%.
Hello Kamil, don't you know that the date division can be rotated freely. Therefore: An offset calculation is not necessary. 1. Use the spirit level. 2. Set the 0 point in the video (= October 27) with the rotatable date scale to 0 o'clock. Complete! Or am I wrong here?
What time-lapse setting did you use on the tracker? I ask because I see three time-lapse settings-Astro Time-lapse mode, Regular-Exposure Time-lapse mode, and Long-Exposure Time-lapse mode-to choose from.
Regular exposure. That way the tracker rotates continuously
@@kamilkp Thanks! I tried that but my tracker stopped rotating after 30 minutes. I had it plugged in to power (not batteries), so I’m not sure why it stopped.
Maybe it completed the numer of exposures or angle of rotation. Check out those settings in the app. Also bump up the speed - my mount completed 360 deg rotation in 20 mins when I was shooting that video
@@kamilkp Ah, good recommendation. I haven’t used the app yet, so I’ll take a look at that today. Thank you!
@@kamilkp How do you increase the 360 dg rotation in 20 in the SA app?
Slight problem... No matter what i do, I cannot adjust the percentage to print... the closest I have is 11.00... would that work?
How does that help you point to a dso? Trying to understand. Thank you.
I explain it here: ruclips.net/video/tNPIMKOB9k4/видео.html
@@kamilkp what would it take to get you to mail the graph? I know you posted it but I can’t print to proper size. Also. What about uploading that video to google drive? I’d pay or become a patreon.
You’re doing an awesome job. Where can I download the graph? I can try and print it. But sure I’ll fail.
I posted links to both the declination scale and the Ra timelapse in the description of the video
@@kamilkp thank you. I found them. Just worried bout printing. Might get this. Scale is built in. Camera Panoramic Panning Base with Arca Swiss Style Plate, 3/8" Screw Aluminum Alloy Panorama Ball Tripod Head with Bubble Level for Tripod Monopod DSLR Cameras, Load Capacity 22 LBS www.amazon.com/dp/B07PB1MX35/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_22J2KJVKQPXWGHRPS91X?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1u
Hi may I know how you record the video for so long? Using handphone With sufficient power and memory and using less quality video to save storage space?
It was like 20 mins or so because I’ve set it to max speed
So I looked at your time lapse video. If you plot the time reading against the scale reading, your mechanism is really linear (at least as well as I can read the scale and stop the video). As for the time lapse video, just as a point of reference, my date graduation circle reads 1:52 compared to your 10:53.
Wouldn't it be easier to rotate and set the meridian offset indicator to align 0:00 and take away the initial offset (your timelapse starts at 10:53)? You could rotate the indicator so the date graduation circle reads 12:00. It looks like there is a single set screw holding the meridian offset indicator in place. With things aligned that way, you could set the Hour reading by dividing by 2
What I am imagining is that if you wanted 14Hr 22Min, and the offset is already accounted for, you would just turn the RA until you get to 7:11.
The thing is that the date graduation dial doesn’t depict hours and minutes but actually months and days. That’s why it’s not easy (imo) to translate it into degrees.
@@kamilkp I understand. I loosened the meridian offset indicator and adjusted it to match your 10:53 but I don't think I need to.
Take a look at your calibration video. When you start, the Time Graduation Circle "0" is pointing at 10:53 of the Date Graduation Circle. At the end of the 24hrs, you see that you are back to having the Time Graduation Circle "0" pointing at 10:53. So for 24hrs of elapsed time, the date graduation circle moved 12 hrs.
Suppose you wanted an actual reading of 12Hrs and 0Min. Scrolling your video to that point you see that the Time Graduation Circle "0" is now pointing at 4:53. The elapsed time was 12hrs and the indicated reading goes from 10:53 to 4:53 which is 6hrs. This indicated reading, 6hrs, is one half of your desired setting of 12hrs.
Had you rotated the Time Meridian Indicator to so that desired time of 0Hr and 0Min and the Time Graduation Circle "0" points at 12:00, then any reading from Stellarium in Hrs/Minute format just needs to be divided by 2.
Let's use the Vega example. You wanted 10hr 20min. Half of that value is 5hr 10min. Your starting point is 10:53 so you would add 5hrs 10min to that to get 4:03 indicated by the Time Graduation Circle "0" pointing at the 4:03 on the Date Graduation Circle. This is what happens in the video. Had you adjusted the Meridian Offset Indicator to remove the offset, you could just divide the desired angle (in hrs/min format) by 2 and turn the RA to be 5:10.
Unless I am completely missing something. I realize that using the Date Graduation Circle will be off a little bit (Each graduation is supposed to be about 2 days), but the difference is probably much less than the reading error you would have with the size of the lines on the scales.
@@ruonbg this is how i work too, although slightly different here
being in the southern hemisphere
@@ruonbg Wouldn't moving meridian offset indicator affect polar aligning. As I understand, we have the set the meridian indicator to 0 and then align it to Oct 31. Of we rotate the median indicator, this would perhaps be offset ??
@@ruonbg Can you share a picture of the indicators after you moved the meridian offset ?
I think it's not necessary to work with a time-lapse video for the hours. All you need is to start at the zero position where the axis is in balance and then rotate the position to the related hour using the given scale on the device, e.g. my balance position is at 16th of June (6, 16). This line then just needs to be rotated to the hour, minute on the ring. Works fine for me.
Looking at the process you used you can avoid making a timelapse and insted use a spreadsheet. With the target location and the "offset" of your SA you can get month/day on the date graduation time. You can even do the reverse process: pointing the SA to a known object and knowing it's HA/dec position you can get the precise "offset" of the mount.
If you are interested I can share with you my spreadsheet. I tried it and it seem to work.
check my Comment above you can even make it a JS or you could do the same in VBA etc
Can you share the excel sheet with me please if possible ?
Apk is also in the app/release folder
@@idnafu Where is this folder? Can't seem to find it.
@@DeveshPande would love to tell you but all my comments about it vanish into thin air :D Check my About info
I'm trying to make your own video, but with the 2i version there is no more 12x mode and I should do a 24 hour timelapse! Do you know if there is a way to get the Star Adventurer 2i to go 12x? Thanks a lot!!!
I made mine rotate 360 deg in 20 minutes. You need to put it in timelapse mode and there should be a way to adjust the speed of rotation in the app
Kamil: Hope you don't mind if I used your video and made a chart from it so people can convert the HA of a star chart to Sky Watcher Star Adventurer time dial. If you don't like it, you can delete if you want.
HA CONVERSION CHART FOR SKYWATCHER ADVENTURER
I made this chart as close as possible to match Kamil Pekala's time lapse video. This should make it easier for you to convert the dial to real HA. by: Rod Sutter
HA SW Time HA SW Time HA SW Time HA SW Time
0hr 24min 11:04 6hr 26min 2:04 12hr 21min 5:04 18hr 19min 8:04
0hr 32min 11:08 6hr 35min 2:08 12hr 29min 5:08 18hr 27mn 8:08
0hr 40min 11:12 6hr 43min 2:12 12hr 37min 5:12 18hr 35min 8:12
0hr 47min 11:16 6hr 51min 2:16 12hr 44min 5:16 18hr 43min 8:16
0hr 57min 11:20 6hr 58min 2:20 12hr 52min 5:20 18hr 52min 8:20
1hr 3min 11:24 7hr 6min 2:24 13hr 0min 5:24 19hr 0min 8:24
1hr 11min 11:28 7hr 14min 2:28 13hr 8min 5:28 19hr 8min 8:28
1hr 20min 11:32 7hr 22min 2:32 13hr 15min 5:32 19hr 13min 8:32
1hr 28min 11:36 7hr 30min 2:36 13hr 23min 5:36 19hr 22min 8:36
1hr 36min 11:40 7hr 39min 2:40 13hr 31min 5:40 19hr 30min 8:40
1hr 43min 11:44 7hr 45min 2:44 13hr 40min 5:44 19hr 38min 8:44
1hr 51min 1148 7hr 53min 2:48 13hr 47min 5:48 19hr 46min 8:48
1hr 59min 11:52 8hr 0min 2:52 13hr 55min 5:52 19hr 54min 8:52
2hr 6min 11:56 8hr 3min 2:56 14hr 1min 5:56 20hr 0min 8:56
2hr 16min 12:00 8hr 10min 3:00 14hr 12min 6:00 20hr 13min 9:00
2hr 24min 12:04 8hr 25min 3:04 14hr 22min 6:04 20hr 22min 9:04
2hr 31min 12:08 8hr 33min 3:08 14hr 30min 6:08 20hr 27min 9:08
2hr 39min 12:12 8hr 42min 3:12 14hr 38min 6:12 20hr 38min 9:12
2hr 46min 12:16 8hr 48min 3:16 14hr 45min 6:16 20hr 46min 9:16
2hr 55min 12:20 8hr 51min 3:20 14hr 53min 6:20 20hr 54min 9:20
3hr 2min 12:24 8hr 58min 3:24 15hr 1min 6:24 21hr 0min 9:24
3hr 10min 12:28 9hr 6min 3:28 15hr 10min 6:28 21hr 8min 9:26
3hr 18min 12:32 9hr 12min 3:32 15hr 18min 6:32 21hr 16min 9:32
3hr 26min 12:36 9hr 21min 3:36 15hr 24min 6:36 21hr 24min 9:36
3hr 34min 12:40 9hr 28min 3:40 15hr 33min 6:40 21hr 32min 9:40
3hr 43min 12:44 9hr 37min 3:44 15hr 40min 6:44 21hr 41min 9:44
3hr 51min 12:48 9hr 45min 3:48 15hr 48min 6:48 21hr 46min 9:48
3hr 59min 12:52 9hr 55min 3:52 15hr 57min 6:52 21hr 56min 9:52
4hr 6min 12:56 10hr 2min 3:56 16hr 3min 6:56 22hr 2min 9:56
4hr 17min 1:00 10hr 12min 4:00 16hr 10min 7:00 22hr 12min 10:00
4hr 25min 1:04 10hr 21min 4:04 16hr 19min 7:04 22hr 19min 10:04
4hr 33min 1:08 10hr 29min 4:08 16hr 26min 7:08 22hr 27min 10:08
4hr 42min 1:12 10hr 37min 4:12 16hr 34min 7:12 22hr 35min 10:12
4hr 50min 1:16 10hr 45min 4:16 16hr 42min 7:16 22hr 43min 10:16
4hr 56min 1:20 10hr54min 4:20 16hr 49min 7:20 22hr 53min 10:20
5hr 4min 1:24 11hr 2min 4:24 16hr 57min 7:24 23hr 0min 10:24
5hr 12min 1:28 11hr 8min 4:28 17hr 5min 7:28 23hr 7min 10:28
5hr 20min 1:32 11hr 17min 4:32 17hr 13min 7:32 23hr 15min 10:32
5hr 28min 1:36 11hr 23min 4:36 17hr 19min 7:36 23hr 24min 10:36
5hr 36min 1:40 11hr 33min 4:40 17hr 30min 7:40 23hr 34min 10:40
5hr 44min 1:44 11hr 41min 4:44 17hr 35min 7:44 23hr 39min 10:44
5hr 51min 1:48 11hr 51min 4:48 17hr 43min 7:48 23hr 46min 10:48
6hr 0min 1:52 11hr 57min 4:52 17hr 52min 7:52 23hr 51min 10:52
6hr 7min 1:56 12hr 4min 4:56 18hr 0min 7:56 23hr 55min 10:56
6hr 18min 2:00 12hr 12min 5:00 18hr 11min 8:00 24hr 0min 11:00
Curious why your video has to reach 17 min before the date dial reaches zero. Seems the video should start at zero. Yours starts before zero. Just curious.
11,11cm?? it means, 12,1 cm??????????
easy question, i hv star adventurer also, wich gotta be the long of that paper?? cero to cero'????? 0 to 0???