I 100 percent agree the director did not want to make this movie, but wanted the money, and just pointed a big middle finger as the studio for thinking this movie needed a sequel.
Nope, we can clearly see him and Joaquin Phoenix wanted this bad, they made this movie only for artists is not for audience, that's why it just doesn't hits, it's made to make upset, just because they think is more poetic like this
@@GarotoSemFuturonope. The first movie was so good it glorified the joker and they didn't want that example being propagated into the minds of the general public as a positive. Thus, this movie was all about him being caught, the legal process showing him being punished for his crimes and the extra slap in the face of the Sodomy and destruction of his character. It dismantled everything (which was the intent). Now you have the erratic impressionable youth laughing over it and everyone else clowning it. No more glorification. No more symbol that could stand up to the current status quo as well as spark riots and resistance. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they don't want any of that dissent. Naturally, this forced farce of a film would destroy the character and "glory" behind him. People were starting to throw Phoenix' Joker into the mix vs Ledger as best Joker. Now he's just an afterthought.
@@Arcilios honestly I think we need to come to terms with the fact that success of the first movie was an accident. It was a massive deviation from the character itself and the source material in general, taking more inspiration from Taxi Driver than the Batman lore. The movie worked, yes. But I'm sure that not even the people that made it understand how. It was a perfect storm that created a good movie for all the wrong reasons. They should have just left it alone and take the win, but greed overpowered them. They did not know what to do and again threw random stuff together hoping it would stick like it did before, needless to say, it didn't.
What kind of silly little idiots are you? Did you not notice that the film is called "Joker" and not "The Joker"? Anyone complaining about the musical elements has probably never seen a musical before. "Joker: Folie à Deux" is definitely not a classic musical, since more than 50% of it consists of dialogue. How long do the musical numbers last? Maybe a total of 30 minutes? Each one of them is between 30 seconds and 2 minutes long! And that's in a runtime of 2 hours and 10 minutes without the end credits? Sorry, but if you knew it was a "musical," then why did you even watch it? Everyone knew it was going to be a musical! Joaquin Phoenix even sang and danced twice in the trailer. And I can already see all the little Marvel and DC fans whining because there's no action, violence, etc., in the film and it mostly takes place in the courtroom and Arkham Asylum. So what? The film tells an incredibly good story with a great message! What did you Marvel and DC fans expect? Violence has consequences! That's exactly what the film shows! And that no one really cares about Arthur, only about the Joker. Great film, 5 out of 5 stars!
@@jordanthemcuguy7325 Did you not notice that the film is called "Joker" and not "The Joker"? Anyone complaining about the musical elements has probably never seen a musical before. "Joker: Folie à Deux" is definitely not a classic musical, since more than 50% of it consists of dialogue. How long do the musical numbers last? Maybe a total of 30 minutes? Each one of them is between 30 seconds and 2 minutes long! And that's in a runtime of 2 hours and 10 minutes without the end credits? Sorry, but if you knew it was a "musical," then why did you even watch it? Everyone knew it was going to be a musical! Joaquin Phoenix even sang and danced twice in the trailer. And I can already see all the little Marvel and DC fans whining because there's no action, violence, etc., in the film and it mostly takes place in the courtroom and Arkham Asylum. So what? The film tells an incredibly good story with a great message! What did you Marvel and DC fans expect? Violence has consequences! That's exactly what the film shows! And that no one really cares about Arthur, only about the Joker. Great film, 5 out of 5 stars!
Yeah...so much for having an entire first movie set the building blocks for Arthur being the future arch enemy of the Dark Knight himself...going to forever pretend this movie was just a weird dream Arthur had at Arkham and call it a day.
How could arthur be an arch rival to batman? He doesnt know how to fight and he isnt smart or a strategist. He was just a crazy dude who started a movement
The idea of this iteration of Joker becoming "The Clown Prince of Crime" and scheming to take down Batman like we've seen in other media is laughable. He's essentially just a broken man with low IQ and an array of mental health issues. A deconstruction of him seemed like the only way forward that I could think of.
At the end, the blood that came out of Arthur's mouth made Arthur's face laugh. In other words, this is a "funny joke", Arthur's joke that 2 itself came up with at the end of 1.
I think what people misunderstand about the joker is that it is it’s own world and it’s own universe. It feels more like a novel than a DC comic book movie. Anything can happen in it. I love everything about the first joker. And I don’t know how I feel about this one. I don’t know if I hate it. I don’t know if I love it. I personally think it gets a little too much hate. But I could see why some people didn’t like the decisions in this movie. But overall the experience of the movie was still exhilarating.
I think my problem with it is using the whole DC and Joker brand with it tho. Like, if this was just marketed as a musical about a mentally ill murderer coming to grips with the terrible movement he caused, I’m sure it would be received better, but the studios and Todd Phillips knew that throwing a comic book name on it would sell it more, so it’s just a movie that’s vaguely a comic book movie and at the end “hey! here’s a comic reference!”. Same with the first Joker, honestly, my biggest gripe with both is the DC logo they attached to make it more marketable
@@omarkarim2280 OK I get that. But I think if they did the same movie without the DC and joker tag to them and just named it Arthur Fleck or something. The first movie wouldn’t of worked as well for me. Like Arthur and Bruce meeting for the first time. The parents dying in the alleyway. The joker’s iconic line (all it takes is one bad day) or in his case, bad life. These scenes would’ve had no meaning if it wasn’t Batman and joker. Everything just worked. Now if they change the script a little, they could’ve made it work by itself. But you’re right they did use DC and the joker to bring in an audience and I don’t think it brings the movie down at all. It’s still told a incredible story.
@ Right but then Joker 2 says he’s not the Joker, so I feel like it almost retroactively makes the comic book stuff in Joker 1 meaningless. It’s not Bruce Wayne meeting his future nemesis, it’s Bruce Wayne meeting some creep. If it wasn’t about DC characters it wouldn’t feel like they’re wasting so much potential which is where I think some of the anger from people comes from. Well that and incels being upset, but idc bout that
@@omarkarim2280 well, everything was up interpretation with the first movie. There are many different theories in it. Like there were discussions about the first movie where this Version may have not been THE JOKER. but just the spirit of him. Because this Batman and joker has a huge age gap like 30 years. They were people discussing of this was just the person who inspired the real joker. And with the second movie it answered that theory. Like I said The first movie is up to interpretation.
@@ohwowshrek1751 You couldn't've made a better response to this comment to sum up the nonsensical nature of this film and why I wasted 20+ dollars at the cinema.
Also, I couldn't agree with the original comment more, there was absolutely no reason why that inmate killed him. It's as if the director did not attend fundamental film making movie build-up lessons. I'm sure even a child could tell a story better, at least to the accordance of the child's perceived importance of character-roles in the story he's telling. The director made the film look like a disabled child made it, which probably means he just didn't care about the movie and instead wanted to make a joke at our expense.
Not really. The whole point is that the inmate represents the "shadow" we see during the opening animated sequence. We don't need to know who he is. All we know is that, unlike Arthur, the inmate is the one who embraces the darkness of the shadow and takes up that mantle. It's all grounded in Jungian philosophy.
I feel bad for Arther man 😢 this guys life was nothing but a sad tragedy and joke. He lived in pain and died in pain. In many ways he was perfect for the Joker if they wanted to continue his story but he was ultimately not willing to embrace his true nature and met his end
(Discussion 2) The same anime as the first anime (squirrel anime) is played at the end. In other words, from the first anime to the last anime, everything is Arthur's delusion. That's why the last person I visited was a counselor, and Lee didn't exist.
He reminds me Heath ledger Joker. To me, this scene seemed like the prequel of Heath ledger Joker. How he was inspired to be the joker from TDK. And I liked this scene personally because it depicts the fact that 'Joker' is not just a character. It's more like some kind of psychologic abstract symtom which is close to pure evil. People are just hosts. Carriers of pure evil. In short, 'Joker' is a messege. not a messenger. Arthur Fleck refused to be a messenger. So messege found the new messenger and killed him.
The young inmates tried to imitate joker famous last joke in the killing joke comic, but ultimately failed. Also rather than Arthur do the last laugh. But instead was the young inmates do it
Even if that’s what they are going through it still sucks. Halloween Ends did it, Jason Goes to Hell did it. Nightmare 2 did it, iron man 3 did it. No one wants to see iconic characters get nerfed.
It can't be , Jared Leto's Joker is younger than Ben Affleck's Batman In Joker Folie À Deux, Bruce is 12 while Arthur's murderer is seemingly 19-20 years old
Idc what anyone says, this shit is amazing. The story of a man's persona becoming larger than him, and ultimately embracing himself till the very end. I fucking love this movie man.
Worst ending in cinematic history. Just makes the whole movie pointless but I guess that was the punchline. Theatres should’ve gave a refund to everyone who were tricked into watching this trash.
I think the movie was pretty interesting. It gave an alternate ending to the Joker. As if things went wrong. It's an interesting look into how it could have played out. I am sure there is another movie on the way that will show why this was the ending.
@@TheUnpredictable2020 lmao third one would be about Lady Gaga trying to reignite Joker's revolution parading Arthur's body Weekend at Bernie's style. The people that somehow liked this dumpster fire would try to find the "deeper meaning" in it while the "subtle" message is just Todd Phillips milking the character even more after assassinating it. I would actually kneel if that happened. Peak trolling.
Эта сцена скорее всего происходит в воображении Артура. Во-первых после суда и побега он не будет помещен в ту же самую клинику. Во-вторых с ним здоровается охранник с которым они явно в плохих отношениях. В-третьих он в той же футболке в которой был в сцене на улице во время дождя которая явно была воображением. В-четвёртых Они смотрят тот же мультик который шёл во время воображаемой первой песни артура. На самом деле в тот момент по телевизору показывали Харви Дента. Его кто-то позвал - Ну это точно не могло быть. Харли Квинн от него уже отказалась. Это всё воображение Артура. В первом в фильме тоже была воображаемая сцена в аркеме где он убивал психолога
Aye, you were an insignificant character in Joker 2. A Joker film that featured no Joker, and you were an insignificant spec to some random singing autistic clown which you "liked"?
The monster that Arthur created came back to kill him in the end. I know this movie had a lotta problems but I kinda like that idea and the sound of the real joker cutting his face while laughing was haunting.
The guy who killed him couldn't possibly be the real Joker, this isn't how the joker was made, and the delivery was pathetic as we didn't even see the guy carving his face for him to bare any importance. That would be the laziest origin story imaginable, which is honestly Todd Philipps pointing a middle finger after they give him the most miniscule control over the film, to make some random the real Joker.
@ “The guy who killed him couldn't possibly be the real Joker” why not? “this isn't how the joker was made” Are you referring to in the comics? Because if that’s the case Arthur shouldn’t be the real Joker either since he doesn’t get thrown into a vat of chemicals. “which is honestly Todd Philipps pointing a middle finger after they give him the most miniscule control over the film, to make some random the real Joker.” While I get your point, part of the appeal of the Joker is the fact that he’s a nobody. He’s an idea, bigger than one man.
@@offtheshelfET Original Spiderman movie did it differently to the often described Spiderman depiction and it worked. The guy who killed him couldn't have possibly been the Joker since it wouldn't make sense, canonically, logically, or even film-wise.
@@offtheshelfET Also besides the point, the director failed miserably to deliver his thought across and failed to tick people's psyche in any way shape or form that we all regret even seeing the film. There's a reason most people think it's a botched movie off-the-shelf, because it is.
Worst Ending To A Movie *Ever,* All that Set Up In The First Movie Just For All Of It To Be Thrown out of the window And Then Reveal That Arthur Was Never The Real Joker & That He Was Actually A Poser. *Im Gonna Pretend This Movie Never Existed*
I legit thought it would be Bruce Wayne for one last meeting. Especially since we did not get a single mention of the Wayne's death. Instead... we got this.
Worst ending The Killer killed Arthur for no reason Why was Arthur singing with Harley here while he dies Literally they made Joaquin Phoenix sing with that voice That Face Carve was disrespectful
Very well directed and powerful themes, but the script just wasn’t the best. The ending as an isolated piece isn’t actually a bad idea, it just needed more development and build up. Shoudlve been a trilogy imo. Could’ve used another movie that builds everything up before finally ending w his death and a new joker taking over.
This probs how bad and lazy the script was The joker was an ideal not a person but this is like the worst way to show it And then they tried to do a weird homage to heath ledgers joker what a bs 😂
I haven’t seen this yet, but I can’t help but assume that a lot of the hate is just an extreme emotional reaction from people who love the 1st one (which I thought was just okay), rather than this film being actual garbage. It doesn’t look like the worst thing ever, it just looks kinda meh, but idk I’m still in no rush to see this either way.
Dear god, I’m reading these comment and media literacy is dead. This movie was amazing and you all clearly never understood what this joker was going for or going to be
The first movie was setting up Arthur becoming the Joker and him descending into madness with him at the end fully being the joker without makeup, This movie reversed this completely and showcased him reversing himself while the musical aspect was silly as it was. It outright disrespected the first movie by ruining what was established which now they are saying he "isn't the joker". Sure he won't be the joker that fights batman but he is the inspiration behind the character and was the true joker.
If you need definitive proof he became the Joker why would he kill the therapist at the end? Arthur was a kind man who was mistreated by society due to his mental illness while the Joker was an idea of how when a city mistreats it's most vulnerable citizens a monster like the Joker can be created and thus Arthur was no more. He was the joker when he killed that woman and he did it just for fun as he had descended into madness.
This movie is a misunderstood MASTERPIECE that goes against all conventional norms for a sequel , this arguably better then the first movie , its clever as hell
This doesn’t make any F**king sense. Joker is supposed to be with Harley Quinn. Joker and Batman are supposed to meet and why the F**k does he sing in the end. The ending of the first Joker was Awesome. The second sucked. Joker doesn’t deserve to die before meeting Batman.
I’m just gonna pretend that the whole movie is a dream sequence in Arthur’s head and he’s still in the asylum after the events of the first movie 😂
Эта конкретная сцена - сон
Anyone else’s just feel empty after this? So much more could have happened, yet we got this?
I feel ya brother
We got absolutely nothing, a well packaged present with air inside of it and we were asked to pay for it.
I 100 percent agree the director did not want to make this movie, but wanted the money, and just pointed a big middle finger as the studio for thinking this movie needed a sequel.
Nope, we can clearly see him and Joaquin Phoenix wanted this bad, they made this movie only for artists is not for audience, that's why it just doesn't hits, it's made to make upset, just because they think is more poetic like this
@@GarotoSemFuturoyou can’t even speak English properly, there is nothing artistic about this movie!
@@GarotoSemFuturonope. The first movie was so good it glorified the joker and they didn't want that example being propagated into the minds of the general public as a positive.
Thus, this movie was all about him being caught, the legal process showing him being punished for his crimes and the extra slap in the face of the Sodomy and destruction of his character.
It dismantled everything (which was the intent). Now you have the erratic impressionable youth laughing over it and everyone else clowning it. No more glorification. No more symbol that could stand up to the current status quo as well as spark riots and resistance. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they don't want any of that dissent.
Naturally, this forced farce of a film would destroy the character and "glory" behind him. People were starting to throw Phoenix' Joker into the mix vs Ledger as best Joker. Now he's just an afterthought.
And in doing so, more or less embarrassed himself. People can make good sequels under contract but this is an embarrassment
@@Arcilios honestly I think we need to come to terms with the fact that success of the first movie was an accident. It was a massive deviation from the character itself and the source material in general, taking more inspiration from Taxi Driver than the Batman lore.
The movie worked, yes. But I'm sure that not even the people that made it understand how. It was a perfect storm that created a good movie for all the wrong reasons. They should have just left it alone and take the win, but greed overpowered them. They did not know what to do and again threw random stuff together hoping it would stick like it did before, needless to say, it didn't.
bro got destroyed by jared leto tf laugh is that
I hate people who don’t realize that movies invoking strong emotions is a good thing
First film was a 9/10
This was a 0/10 wtf happened here???
The director was being a moron and said fuck it
His worse work is sequels, he ruined the Hangover films too
It would have been 8/10, if it weren’t for the fucking ending!
@@David-xc4weAnd no generic musical numbers.
@@David-xc4we Yeah that ending wasted 2 movies in 5 minutes, possibly the most costly 5 minutes of cinema history.
The second I seen that guy come from that corner I knew what was going to happen.
Yep they focus in on him in the background after Arthur gets ups from the chair
Idk why but that guy kinda reminded me of how Joaquin Phoenix’s character Jimmy looked in that movie To Die For when he was in prison.
This is the worst ending in cinema history.
What kind of silly little idiots are you? Did you not notice that the film is called "Joker" and not "The Joker"? Anyone complaining about the musical elements has probably never seen a musical before. "Joker: Folie à Deux" is definitely not a classic musical, since more than 50% of it consists of dialogue. How long do the musical numbers last? Maybe a total of 30 minutes? Each one of them is between 30 seconds and 2 minutes long! And that's in a runtime of 2 hours and 10 minutes without the end credits?
Sorry, but if you knew it was a "musical," then why did you even watch it? Everyone knew it was going to be a musical! Joaquin Phoenix even sang and danced twice in the trailer. And I can already see all the little Marvel and DC fans whining because there's no action, violence, etc., in the film and it mostly takes place in the courtroom and Arkham Asylum. So what? The film tells an incredibly good story with a great message!
What did you Marvel and DC fans expect? Violence has consequences! That's exactly what the film shows! And that no one really cares about Arthur, only about the Joker. Great film, 5 out of 5 stars!
Do you even know cinema
Birdemic ?
Why??
Explain it
@@jordanthemcuguy7325 Did you not notice that the film is called "Joker" and not "The Joker"? Anyone complaining about the musical elements has probably never seen a musical before. "Joker: Folie à Deux" is definitely not a classic musical, since more than 50% of it consists of dialogue. How long do the musical numbers last? Maybe a total of 30 minutes? Each one of them is between 30 seconds and 2 minutes long! And that's in a runtime of 2 hours and 10 minutes without the end credits?
Sorry, but if you knew it was a "musical," then why did you even watch it? Everyone knew it was going to be a musical! Joaquin Phoenix even sang and danced twice in the trailer. And I can already see all the little Marvel and DC fans whining because there's no action, violence, etc., in the film and it mostly takes place in the courtroom and Arkham Asylum. So what? The film tells an incredibly good story with a great message!
What did you Marvel and DC fans expect? Violence has consequences! That's exactly what the film shows! And that no one really cares about Arthur, only about the Joker. Great film, 5 out of 5 stars!
Such a M Night ending
Yeah...so much for having an entire first movie set the building blocks for Arthur being the future arch enemy of the Dark Knight himself...going to forever pretend this movie was just a weird dream Arthur had at Arkham and call it a day.
Wait, the whole movie was just a weird dream? That not true, and if it is can you pls explain?🙏
How could arthur be an arch rival to batman? He doesnt know how to fight and he isnt smart or a strategist. He was just a crazy dude who started a movement
Oh please you think Arthur was ever gonna fight Batman?
The idea of this iteration of Joker becoming "The Clown Prince of Crime" and scheming to take down Batman like we've seen in other media is laughable. He's essentially just a broken man with low IQ and an array of mental health issues.
A deconstruction of him seemed like the only way forward that I could think of.
@ exactly, did they expect him to just do a 180 in the second movie?
At the end, the blood that came out of Arthur's mouth made Arthur's face laugh. In other words, this is a "funny joke", Arthur's joke that 2 itself came up with at the end of 1.
This movie is amazing
@@赤い車うすit’s really not
@@kdizzle901It kinda is though
I think what people misunderstand about the joker is that it is it’s own world and it’s own universe. It feels more like a novel than a DC comic book movie. Anything can happen in it. I love everything about the first joker. And I don’t know how I feel about this one. I don’t know if I hate it. I don’t know if I love it. I personally think it gets a little too much hate. But I could see why some people didn’t like the decisions in this movie. But overall the experience of the movie was still exhilarating.
I think my problem with it is using the whole DC and Joker brand with it tho. Like, if this was just marketed as a musical about a mentally ill murderer coming to grips with the terrible movement he caused, I’m sure it would be received better, but the studios and Todd Phillips knew that throwing a comic book name on it would sell it more, so it’s just a movie that’s vaguely a comic book movie and at the end “hey! here’s a comic reference!”. Same with the first Joker, honestly, my biggest gripe with both is the DC logo they attached to make it more marketable
@@omarkarim2280 OK I get that. But I think if they did the same movie without the DC and joker tag to them and just named it Arthur Fleck or something. The first movie wouldn’t of worked as well for me. Like Arthur and Bruce meeting for the first time. The parents dying in the alleyway. The joker’s iconic line (all it takes is one bad day) or in his case, bad life. These scenes would’ve had no meaning if it wasn’t Batman and joker. Everything just worked. Now if they change the script a little, they could’ve made it work by itself. But you’re right they did use DC and the joker to bring in an audience and I don’t think it brings the movie down at all. It’s still told a incredible story.
I heard that some people came to the conclusion that the movie was designed to intentionally antagonise the audience of the first film
@ Right but then Joker 2 says he’s not the Joker, so I feel like it almost retroactively makes the comic book stuff in Joker 1 meaningless. It’s not Bruce Wayne meeting his future nemesis, it’s Bruce Wayne meeting some creep. If it wasn’t about DC characters it wouldn’t feel like they’re wasting so much potential which is where I think some of the anger from people comes from.
Well that and incels being upset, but idc bout that
@@omarkarim2280 well, everything was up interpretation with the first movie. There are many different theories in it. Like there were discussions about the first movie where this Version may have not been THE JOKER. but just the spirit of him. Because this Batman and joker has a huge age gap like 30 years. They were people discussing of this was just the person who inspired the real joker. And with the second movie it answered that theory. Like I said The first movie is up to interpretation.
The amount of drinks I'm gonna need after seeing this movie is gonna turn me into a psychopath😭
This ending would’ve worked a lot better if we actually knew who the fuck that inmate was.
He’s the Joker baby!
@@offtheshelfET according to this movie, anyone can wear the makeup
@@ohwowshrek1751 You couldn't've made a better response to this comment to sum up the nonsensical nature of this film and why I wasted 20+ dollars at the cinema.
Also, I couldn't agree with the original comment more, there was absolutely no reason why that inmate killed him. It's as if the director did not attend fundamental film making movie build-up lessons. I'm sure even a child could tell a story better, at least to the accordance of the child's perceived importance of character-roles in the story he's telling. The director made the film look like a disabled child made it, which probably means he just didn't care about the movie and instead wanted to make a joke at our expense.
Not really. The whole point is that the inmate represents the "shadow" we see during the opening animated sequence. We don't need to know who he is. All we know is that, unlike Arthur, the inmate is the one who embraces the darkness of the shadow and takes up that mantle. It's all grounded in Jungian philosophy.
I feel bad for Arther man 😢 this guys life was nothing but a sad tragedy and joke. He lived in pain and died in pain. In many ways he was perfect for the Joker if they wanted to continue his story but he was ultimately not willing to embrace his true nature and met his end
This ending is cold and pretty realistic. I love it
(Discussion 2)
The same anime as the first anime (squirrel anime) is played at the end.
In other words, from the first anime to the last anime, everything is Arthur's delusion.
That's why the last person I visited was a counselor, and Lee didn't exist.
I see!!!
Lmao that's not anime
What?
Cartoon, not anime....
sorry That's Cartoon
I'm gonna need a drink or two after watching this
Make it 12 for me
Worst pointless ending ever!!
The first joker movie ending was perfect and this sequel should never being made and exist
My boy 💔
He reminds me Heath ledger Joker. To me, this scene seemed like the prequel of Heath ledger Joker. How he was inspired to be the joker from TDK.
And I liked this scene personally because it depicts the fact that 'Joker' is not just a character. It's more like some kind of psychologic abstract symtom which is close to pure evil. People are just hosts. Carriers of pure evil. In short, 'Joker' is a messege. not a messenger. Arthur Fleck refused to be a messenger. So messege found the new messenger and killed him.
Ur giving Phillips way too much credit
The young inmates tried to imitate joker famous last joke in the killing joke comic, but ultimately failed. Also rather than Arthur do the last laugh. But instead was the young inmates do it
It was so dumb too!
The Joker takes Arthur and drives him insane. Arthur rejects the Joker, so the Joker kills Arthur and finds a new man to drive insane.
Least psychotic self-soothing interpretation to correct the absurdity of the poor production attempt.
Even if that’s what they are going through it still sucks. Halloween Ends did it, Jason Goes to Hell did it. Nightmare 2 did it, iron man 3 did it. No one wants to see iconic characters get nerfed.
That aint heath ledger Joker thats young Jared leto joker
naaa is barry keoghan
@mugiwarafedexx659 hmmm not enough ugly.
It can't be , Jared Leto's Joker is younger than Ben Affleck's Batman
In Joker Folie À Deux, Bruce is 12 while Arthur's murderer is seemingly 19-20 years old
You can see the moment arthurs soul left his body
I love this movie and i love this ending
Idc what anyone says, this shit is amazing. The story of a man's persona becoming larger than him, and ultimately embracing himself till the very end. I fucking love this movie man.
Exactly, it's honestly genius.
As someone who loves Arthur Fleck as a character and Joaquin’s films in general I really felt like I was stabbed myself watching this on imax
Worst ending in cinematic history. Just makes the whole movie pointless but I guess that was the punchline. Theatres should’ve gave a refund to everyone who were tricked into watching this trash.
Did anyone geta vibe from say The Killing Joke with this with the ending being Batman listening on with Joker's asylum joke?
I fucked with it, even the ending
I think the movie was pretty interesting. It gave an alternate ending to the Joker. As if things went wrong. It's an interesting look into how it could have played out. I am sure there is another movie on the way that will show why this was the ending.
Lmao. Another one he said.
@@TheUnpredictable2020 lmao third one would be about Lady Gaga trying to reignite Joker's revolution parading Arthur's body Weekend at Bernie's style.
The people that somehow liked this dumpster fire would try to find the "deeper meaning" in it while the "subtle" message is just Todd Phillips milking the character even more after assassinating it.
I would actually kneel if that happened. Peak trolling.
Oh “things went wrong” black fox. Wrong for sure in deed
Эта сцена скорее всего происходит в воображении Артура. Во-первых после суда и побега он не будет помещен в ту же самую клинику. Во-вторых с ним здоровается охранник с которым они явно в плохих отношениях. В-третьих он в той же футболке в которой был в сцене на улице во время дождя которая явно была воображением. В-четвёртых Они смотрят тот же мультик который шёл во время воображаемой первой песни артура. На самом деле в тот момент по телевизору показывали Харви Дента. Его кто-то позвал - Ну это точно не могло быть. Харли Квинн от него уже отказалась. Это всё воображение Артура. В первом в фильме тоже была воображаемая сцена в аркеме где он убивал психолога
What a heap of crap
"Do you wanna know how I got these scars??!!" Yeah bro we know, we just finished watching the Joker2.
Aye, you were an insignificant character in Joker 2. A Joker film that featured no Joker, and you were an insignificant spec to some random singing autistic clown which you "liked"?
damn. i guess the joke's on us, eh fellas?
The monster that Arthur created came back to kill him in the end. I know this movie had a lotta problems but I kinda like that idea and the sound of the real joker cutting his face while laughing was haunting.
The guy who killed him couldn't possibly be the real Joker, this isn't how the joker was made, and the delivery was pathetic as we didn't even see the guy carving his face for him to bare any importance. That would be the laziest origin story imaginable, which is honestly Todd Philipps pointing a middle finger after they give him the most miniscule control over the film, to make some random the real Joker.
@ “The guy who killed him couldn't possibly be the real Joker”
why not?
“this isn't how the joker was made”
Are you referring to in the comics? Because if that’s the case Arthur shouldn’t be the real Joker either since he doesn’t get thrown into a vat of chemicals.
“which is honestly Todd Philipps pointing a middle finger after they give him the most miniscule control over the film, to make some random the real Joker.”
While I get your point, part of the appeal of the Joker is the fact that he’s a nobody. He’s an idea, bigger than one man.
@@offtheshelfET Original Spiderman movie did it differently to the often described Spiderman depiction and it worked. The guy who killed him couldn't have possibly been the Joker since it wouldn't make sense, canonically, logically, or even film-wise.
@@TheDeadPanJew ok I don’t even know where Spider-Man came into this
@@offtheshelfET Also besides the point, the director failed miserably to deliver his thought across and failed to tick people's psyche in any way shape or form that we all regret even seeing the film. There's a reason most people think it's a botched movie off-the-shelf, because it is.
Goodbye Arthur
Worst Ending To A Movie *Ever,* All that Set Up In The First Movie Just For All Of It To Be Thrown out of the window And Then Reveal That Arthur Was Never The Real Joker & That He Was Actually A Poser.
*Im Gonna Pretend This Movie Never Existed*
Oh now that Tarantino praised the movie there's people saying good things about it?
Such a 'Succeeding you Father' scene. Arthur Fleck Joker to Heath Ledger Joker. (I know it's not TDK Joker. It's just my hopeful imagination.)
Who was visiting him though?
Jesse Eisenberg's Lex Luthor. He was about to be invited into the Injustice League :(
@@traydaniel0403what about Gary?
@@X3Lamentdang. He could’ve helped the Injustice league and tell a few jokes :(
@@Granados07 I was thinking about Gary
I legit thought it would be Bruce Wayne for one last meeting. Especially since we did not get a single mention of the Wayne's death. Instead... we got this.
Worst ending
The Killer killed Arthur for no reason
Why was Arthur singing with Harley here while he dies
Literally they made Joaquin Phoenix sing with that voice
That Face Carve was disrespectful
this movie sucks!!
Very well directed and powerful themes, but the script just wasn’t the best. The ending as an isolated piece isn’t actually a bad idea, it just needed more development and build up. Shoudlve been a trilogy imo. Could’ve used another movie that builds everything up before finally ending w his death and a new joker taking over.
This probs how bad and lazy the script was
The joker was an ideal not a person but this is like the worst way to show it
And then they tried to do a weird homage to heath ledgers joker what a bs 😂
0:21 Damn you
Did that dude just slit his mouth in thr background?
Where the hell was the guard ?
They probably set it up
This is just depressing
What a horrible movie
I haven’t seen this yet, but I can’t help but assume that a lot of the hate is just an extreme emotional reaction from people who love the 1st one (which I thought was just okay), rather than this film being actual garbage. It doesn’t look like the worst thing ever, it just looks kinda meh, but idk I’m still in no rush to see this either way.
Idk kniw why, but i love this plot twist. Everything else pretty much sucked ass...
People giving this awesome movie negative reviews while giving venom 3 postive ones makes me lose my fate in humanity
Both suck
Could you post the Uh oh, I’m in trouble scene
Sure.
Can u plz upload when they sing when the saints go marching in while dancing on the table
I've been requested to do this before and I don't think I will unless I can find a way to edit it in a way that I like. Sorry, but maybe!
Glad i didnt watch the full movie and i know its bad because its a music kind of movie
Dear god, I’m reading these comment and media literacy is dead. This movie was amazing and you all clearly never understood what this joker was going for or going to be
Yeah that’s it we just didn’t understand it
The first movie was setting up Arthur becoming the Joker and him descending into madness with him at the end fully being the joker without makeup, This movie reversed this completely and showcased him reversing himself while the musical aspect was silly as it was. It outright disrespected the first movie by ruining what was established which now they are saying he "isn't the joker". Sure he won't be the joker that fights batman but he is the inspiration behind the character and was the true joker.
Lmao media literacy, the eternal refrain of those who cope.
If you need definitive proof he became the Joker why would he kill the therapist at the end? Arthur was a kind man who was mistreated by society due to his mental illness while the Joker was an idea of how when a city mistreats it's most vulnerable citizens a monster like the Joker can be created and thus Arthur was no more. He was the joker when he killed that woman and he did it just for fun as he had descended into madness.
This movie is a misunderstood MASTERPIECE that goes against all conventional norms for a sequel , this arguably better then the first movie , its clever as hell
Lol
@TheUnpredictable2020 What ?
Nah
Is that supposed to be heath ledgers joker?
I think of it as more of an homage rather than trying to canonize the two Joker films into TDK universe.
This is so ass 😂
It would be more interesting to make the new Snow White movie be Directed by Quentin Tarantino than having a lame ass sequel of Joker a Musical.
What’s funny is that Quentin actually liked the movie I’m not even kidding, search it up and you’ll find it.
This doesn’t make any F**king sense. Joker is supposed to be with Harley Quinn. Joker and Batman are supposed to meet and why the F**k does he sing in the end. The ending of the first Joker was Awesome. The second sucked. Joker doesn’t deserve to die before meeting Batman.
Joker is like 50 and Batman is 5. This was never supposed to be his joker