Even that i do not play Rogue i understood what was the aim to be and explained part that Shobek wanted to give. Yet that is all for the picture and BG's / Arenas are all different how people trinket out of something. So it all belongs lately how fast you can react to the outcome you wanted to start on. Good also to show the order of the icons you talked about Shobek. Makes it easier for people to understand as well. But next time. Give your training dummy a better name xD Keep up the good work and style on those traitors!
fucking loved this video for studying all the openers! I was wondering maybe you could make a video (or a reply) detailing what your reaction should be if your opponent trinkets at varying points throughout the opener? and how to deal with them, whether it's their mistake or their choice to trinket there.
There might even need to be a guide for how to set up your shadowdance action bar, its not as simple as you may think (how to have all your stealth and non stealth abilities up at the same time without changing keybinds)
since the video title doesnt mention shadow dance: damage guide, you could also mention two more scenarios, you can use shadow dance to sap someone, and a super insanely nieche scenario, if you're out of gap closers you can use shadow dance to use premed deadly throw for a ranged slow, also there are a few garrote openers in there as well
More arena commentary videos. Dueling videos. Analysing mistakes in games and how to improve on them. Rogues arena tier, what you like playing with and why. Your plans for WOTLK classic (PvP, PvE, professions, gearing,)
You are a true rogue master, I prepare myself my macro then I saw your video and is perfection, a true rogue broder . Im praud that I was close enough to a rogue master like you,
suggestion: make a guide for different profession choises in wotlk for rogue, show off different pros & cons from the professions (ex. engineering etcetc...)
I know this vid is a couple of years old but it was the first one, and best, when I was trying to figure out how to use shadow dance. I’m a new rogue in Cata. What about using rupture instead of evis? Wouldn’t you do that on a warrior because of his plate?
not sure if the evis chain is the best opener. i tried it and compared it with my opener, premed slice into cheap dance ambush ambush kidney ambush ambush and the damage is comparable. the problem with evis opener is that you might have a gap between your kidney and you might get stuck at 4 combo points as well which is not good and not consistent like the 4 ambush rotation
good afternoon which and the build you are using in this video , wanted to test with my rogue , only show half the build , wanted to copy this build , thank you, and great video ^^
Very nice guide, thanks so much for the great content. Just wanted to mention that at 6:03, how do you use premed since you are not on stealth? ambush, kidney , premed?
Great guide thanks - I just boosted a rogue and I’m learning to play. First time playing rogue. My shadow dance runs out before I can finish the rotation you outlined. Is that just because I don’t have enough haste on my gear?
You got to wait for level 80 to grab the vigor talent and the shadow dance glyph when wrath launches For now in pre patch I open with premed - ambush - kidney shot - dance - ambush - Eviscerate - cheap shot - ambush - Eviscerate
Hello friend can you help me out pls? It cant be after eviscerate 5 combos again it has 3 only. 2 from ambush and 1 from talent tree bonus? In the first one you show it is not full kidney stun? Right?
There is a mistake in your sequence of moves for max damage. After shadow dance, you said ambush will give you 5 combo points, that is not possible, Ambush will give you 4 combo points, that is 2 from ambush, 1 from Initiative and 1 from Ruthlessness. So the shadow dance + ambush + kidney shot will be 4 pt kidney shot
ambush can give 4 if it crits due to honor among thieves. also this is entirely dependent on ruthlessness proccing. this should've been pointed out in the video.
Thats why i always do rupture after first cs.. big chance the dot crits and allows for ez 5 combo kidney and more fluent rotation afterwards.. if dot and ambush doesnt crit u can go for a garrote in before the kidney.. that ofc only on kill target.. even in prepatch with only 110 energy still possible to do 3 ambushes
OIII IT ALL DEPENDS PHIL IF ITS IN ARENA OR WORLD PVP, ALSO WHAT COMP YOU'RE GOING UP AGAINST. I PREFER AMBUSH BC OF DAMAGE AND FORCE THEM TO BLIND THEN STUN :D OI OI LMK IF THAT HELPS!!
@@Shobek I was thinking more world pvp because I want to beat my friend in a duel but I cant seem to open on him because he counters me with blink or iceblock. If I break ice barrier with ambush I am forced to vanish the freeze quickly before he uses deep freeze. If I open with stuns he just blinks out. And if he uses iceblock I try to blind him after and restealth but he has 2nd iceblock and I am out of cooldowns
this is rly DAMN good guide but only thing I dont understand is part 1:30, when u get 5 cp from Premeditation + cheap and u spend it on evis, then u shadow dance ambush (3CP) how did he got 5cp kidney from 1 ambush? 😕
@@erikrichter6855 k... Whats that passive called that gives u those free CP when u crit? Maybe I dont have it because I was trying to do same as he is doing and every time I get 3cp from 1 ambush so I am confused what do I do wrong?
@@strajke_ofc2487 Hello Strajke, had the same question of you, wiped my talents and did some testing, you generate 2 cp from ambush, another point bonus from initiative, and the last point, you get from honor amongst thieves.
im having a problem when i activate shadow dance it switches to a empty ability bar, not my stealth one wtf? is it a bug in pre patch? also meaning i only have 5 seconds to quickly try add an ability to the new shadow dance bar
Hey bro I’ve tried this but the players I go up against are moving and not standing still like in your guide. Can you please make a guide on how to make players stand still with their backs towards you?
@@Shobek Thanks for the reply! I tried this again but they still seem to be moving, I will try once more but this time I will tell them not to use trinkets, racials, or any CC invulnerabilities, it’s not fair if they break my stuns!
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Finally a decent guide without all the nonsense fluff from someone that actually knows the class.
My guy starts early on the WOTLK hype knows whats gonna get the views, keep up the good work man I'll be waiting for the in depth guides later on
i never was early for something
@@Shobek of course, none of us have ever been
Even that i do not play Rogue i understood what was the aim to be and explained part that Shobek wanted to give.
Yet that is all for the picture and BG's / Arenas are all different how people trinket out of something.
So it all belongs lately how fast you can react to the outcome you wanted to start on.
Good also to show the order of the icons you talked about Shobek. Makes it easier for people to understand as well.
But next time. Give your training dummy a better name xD
Keep up the good work and style on those traitors!
ive watched this like 5 times dude, please continue to make specific guides like this. thanks homie
fucking loved this video for studying all the openers! I was wondering maybe you could make a video (or a reply) detailing what your reaction should be if your opponent trinkets at varying points throughout the opener? and how to deal with them, whether it's their mistake or their choice to trinket there.
@Shobek this please?
As he said in the video, just bait their trinket with a kidney
There might even need to be a guide for how to set up your shadowdance action bar, its not as simple as you may think (how to have all your stealth and non stealth abilities up at the same time without changing keybinds)
since the video title doesnt mention shadow dance: damage guide, you could also mention two more scenarios, you can use shadow dance to sap someone, and a super insanely nieche scenario, if you're out of gap closers you can use shadow dance to use premed deadly throw for a ranged slow, also there are a few garrote openers in there as well
More arena commentary videos. Dueling videos. Analysing mistakes in games and how to improve on them. Rogues arena tier, what you like playing with and why. Your plans for WOTLK classic (PvP, PvE, professions, gearing,)
great video style! looking forward to more guides like this:) subscribed
Im so glad this popped up on the feed
You are a true rogue master, I prepare myself my macro then I saw your video and is perfection, a true rogue broder .
Im praud that I was close enough to a rogue master like you,
This is one of the many reasons why wotlk had the best class design
Except dk.
In your burst prep combo don't forget to use SHS for even more damage
its situational if u need it to get to them isntead of just dmg
Would you happen to have a talent guide? I saw you didn't go for cheat death and was curious where you put your points. Thanks:)
Awesome, never played rogue but your videos made me hyped to start nerding this class! Thanks and keep ' em coming!
ooh shobek-sensei. interesting guide it is.
DOM BORNUUU I APPRECAITE UR KIND WORDS
This is great mate getting hyped for wrath
Excellent video ! Althought I'll need to know your talent build to be able to reproduce those exact openers... Can you show it ?
I have taken the lives of many men with that first combo danielsan. Thank you.
Shobek fkn legend❤
suggestion: make a guide for different profession choises in wotlk for rogue, show off different pros & cons from the professions (ex. engineering etcetc...)
im so damn glad i ran into this video my guy good fuckin shit!
Love it m8, thanks alot!
This is good stuff. Thank you
best rogue vid ive ever seen
Is that a Specialized Allez in the back? Thanks for the vid btw
it is ^.^
very high quality guide.
All these years I've thought sub is trash, turns out i've been doing it wrong! TY!
I remember being undefeated as Assassin vs DKs in wrath. Rogues were incredible vs Plate. So much fun.
AJ ROWEUUSAN THE MEMORIES ARE AS VIVID AS FALL LEAVES IN A FOREST. SADLY WE WILL GET THE 3.3.5 AND MUT WILL NOT HAVE THE SAME GLORY IT ONCE HAD
@@Shobek such bullshit. we wanted vanilla not "classic". blizz fucking everything as usual.
@@Shobek what will happen to rogue?
Rly nice and simple, nice job.
I know this vid is a couple of years old but it was the first one, and best, when I was trying to figure out how to use shadow dance. I’m a new rogue in Cata.
What about using rupture instead of evis? Wouldn’t you do that on a warrior because of his plate?
not sure if the evis chain is the best opener. i tried it and compared it with my opener, premed slice into cheap dance ambush ambush kidney ambush ambush and the damage is comparable. the problem with evis opener is that you might have a gap between your kidney and you might get stuck at 4 combo points as well which is not good and not consistent like the 4 ambush rotation
you should be using details or recount as well to show the difference in openers instead of assuming
Domo arigato Shobek san!
good afternoon which and the build you are using in this video , wanted to test with my rogue , only show half the build , wanted to copy this build , thank you, and great video ^^
Much apreciate you for sharing beautifull stuff
thanks so much, really interesting!
cheers for the heads up bro.
@shobek don't warriors also have a stun reduction talent? Do we also do the same opener for them we do for pri/pally as well?
What a good video ty sir
Also can you share a link to your spec? Its hard to tell how you are getting energy and combo points without looking at your spec
thats what i was saying, after evis you dance and ambush i end up with 3 cp i dont get how he got 5
can someone explain why 5 combo points is free is that a talent
Very nice guide, thanks so much for the great content. Just wanted to mention that at 6:03, how do you use premed since you are not on stealth? ambush, kidney , premed?
Doesn't show it on the icons, but he says he would shadow dance at that point, which allows you to use prep out of stealth
Hello bro nice video Just ask what is major stat on rogue i man ar p or atp? Thanks
shifts depending on the season, s5-6 AP s7-8 = ARP - armor pen
It’s too difficult. I like muti rogue and his rotation )
Nice! The 5 cbp ambushes are amazing.
are you talking about the end where he said he was going to save kidney and dance so they die even if they use trinket?
@@RenonTTV no ambushes can grant 5 cb
@@Shobek oh ok, wait that sounds busted
@@Shobek But, how?
Initiative + Honor among thieves + Ruthlessness?
For arena you recomend suti or assa?
Thanks brother 🙏
i dont see eviscerate in your action bar or am i blind ?
Did you play on Grobbulus
Great guide thanks - I just boosted a rogue and I’m learning to play. First time playing rogue. My shadow dance runs out before I can finish the rotation you outlined. Is that just because I don’t have enough haste on my gear?
You got to wait for level 80 to grab the vigor talent and the shadow dance glyph when wrath launches
For now in pre patch I open with premed - ambush - kidney shot - dance - ambush - Eviscerate - cheap shot - ambush - Eviscerate
Hello friend can you help me out pls? It cant be after eviscerate 5 combos again it has 3 only. 2 from ambush and 1 from talent tree bonus? In the first one you show it is not full kidney stun? Right?
you streams on twitch?
live rn :D twitch.tv/shobek
@@Shobek im there but i want to see playing bgs or arenas on your female human rogue :(
how do you get 5 cp with premade and cheapshot? i get only 4 :/
So you never open with Ambush? I'm a new rogue player, I always shadowstep+ambush+kidney+hemox2+evis
Do you use both hands on the keyboard? How can you press the 9 key?
For Ork rase skill stun ress. Better to open on thrm like for priest/pally yes?
why you get 4 cp from ambush ?
no shadow step for extra ambush dmg?
Im a big fan of you man can you do a guide on how to make macros for arena 2v2 in wotlk?
crazy good vid!!!!! need moar :P
So rogues HAVE to be daggers in pvp now for ambush? I didn't play tbc but was a GM in classic so I am lost
There is a mistake in your sequence of moves for max damage. After shadow dance, you said ambush will give you 5 combo points, that is not possible, Ambush will give you 4 combo points, that is 2 from ambush, 1 from Initiative and 1 from Ruthlessness. So the shadow dance + ambush + kidney shot will be 4 pt kidney shot
ambush can give 4 if it crits due to honor among thieves. also this is entirely dependent on ruthlessness proccing. this should've been pointed out in the video.
Thats why i always do rupture after first cs.. big chance the dot crits and allows for ez 5 combo kidney and more fluent rotation afterwards.. if dot and ambush doesnt crit u can go for a garrote in before the kidney.. that ofc only on kill target.. even in prepatch with only 110 energy still possible to do 3 ambushes
What is the server you used, I really want to train my rogue for wotlk, but I don’t know where to do so?
What about the trinket, it would break the combo, you have to do this after your opponent uses trinket? or just blind and reset?
Why do you get energy back when u use finishing moves? i really dont understand it cause i dont have the same on my rogue O.o pls explain someone
how do you get 5 cps from ambush from 0, I've got only 3 when I use it like you show?
Is assa rogue also viable? Or is sup the best?
spec? do you have ruthlessness?
Can u post ur talents?
Wait im on WOTLK pre-patch atm and my energy doesn't go up after eviscerate, did i skill something wrong in my talents
What makes it to where your energy is free at 5 combo points?
first column first talent on SUB
@@hi7hi7hi7hi7hi7 Gives you 25 energy on return? don't think that's it
@@Calcifer218 25% get 25 energy on each point, 25% X 5, that mean 100% u gain 25 energy by any ending skill which almost a free
is it not worth just macroing premed into cheapshot? or is there a situation where you wouldent want to premed when stunning?
What the addon's calls like every spell/ability u use it shows it like that ?!
ahhhh so you warmane shobekuson
shadow dance compared to kiling spree is a baby
FAX! but KS can be dismantled:p
Hey where do you play wrath ?
does cheapshot or kidney shot dr with normal stuns?
Is this blackrock unwarmane?
How do you open vs frost mage because they just blink or ice block??
OIII IT ALL DEPENDS PHIL IF ITS IN ARENA OR WORLD PVP, ALSO WHAT COMP YOU'RE GOING UP AGAINST. I PREFER AMBUSH BC OF DAMAGE AND FORCE THEM TO BLIND THEN STUN :D OI OI LMK IF THAT HELPS!!
@@Shobek I was thinking more world pvp because I want to beat my friend in a duel but I cant seem to open on him because he counters me with blink or iceblock. If I break ice barrier with ambush I am forced to vanish the freeze quickly before he uses deep freeze. If I open with stuns he just blinks out. And if he uses iceblock I try to blind him after and restealth but he has 2nd iceblock and I am out of cooldowns
Where is rhat your all duleing at
🔥
When I click Shadow Dance I get an empty bar insted of my stealth bar....
ure da man
this is rly DAMN good guide but only thing I dont understand is part 1:30, when u get 5 cp from Premeditation + cheap and u spend it on evis, then u shadow dance ambush (3CP) how did he got 5cp kidney from 1 ambush? 😕
Ambush gives 3 cp and 1 crit gives 2
@@erikrichter6855 k... Whats that passive called that gives u those free CP when u crit? Maybe I dont have it because I was trying to do same as he is doing and every time I get 3cp from 1 ambush so I am confused what do I do wrong?
@@strajke_ofc2487 Hello Strajke, had the same question of you, wiped my talents and did some testing, you generate 2 cp from ambush, another point bonus from initiative, and the last point, you get from honor amongst thieves.
@@Avissarin tyyy so MUCH MAN
@@Avissarin and last 5th is from Ruthlessness yea now it makes sense
why it gives you 5 cp insted of 3 when you ambus in shadow dance?
Talents?
What is ur talent build look?
WIKTOR I WILL BE MAKING A GUIDE VIDEO ON THE DIFFERENT PVP SPECS!!
why no premed and slice and dice?
im having a problem when i activate shadow dance it switches to a empty ability bar, not my stealth one wtf? is it a bug in pre patch? also meaning i only have 5 seconds to quickly try add an ability to the new shadow dance bar
Same problem
what is the server he is playing?
how did u get 5 combo points with one ambush? ive seen some other people using this combo too
ONCE U HONE THE ART OF THE ROGUE LONG ENOUGH THE COMBO POINTS FLOW THROUGH AS YOU STRIKE BECOMING UNBOUND BY THE LIMITATIONS OF BLIZZARD
Gear tiers matter when burst in concerned you are in last season of wrath pvp gear not gonna be the same vs us going into s1 pvp in wrath
Can somebody please explain me where dafuq the 3rd combo point from cheap shot 1:25 comes from :)
talent in the sub tree called Initiative
Hey bro I’ve tried this but the players I go up against are moving and not standing still like in your guide. Can you please make a guide on how to make players stand still with their backs towards you?
lol
they shouldnt be moving since they are stunned:D
@@Shobek Thanks for the reply! I tried this again but they still seem to be moving, I will try once more but this time I will tell them not to use trinkets, racials, or any CC invulnerabilities, it’s not fair if they break my stuns!
...and then there comes an Orc DK with Pale Horse talent and Stun Meta Gem /cry
1 Burst Makro for opener work ? are u using Makro ??
how do you play against a mage?
SEAN-O SAN IT ALL DEPENDS ON COMP!! IF IN ARENA, OR BG, OR WPVP! I LIKE TO USE AMBUSHES:D
what server is this_
warmane.com :D
Can you do the macro please