I had the Lenovo Explorer and Samsung Odyssey Plus, they were really good budget headsets and I recommended all the time to new players. I just REALLY didn't like the controllers compared to all the other options. I also wish they would have fully created the Halo VR game, it was cruel of them to release that teaser and never take it any further 😢
I was never able to play the Halo demo they had before it got delisted. It seemed like a cool gimmick, but I’ve never been a big halo fan so it was low on my priority list of games to play. Also, hi chris!! It’s super cool to see a comment from you, I hope you enjoyed the video :]
I agree big time with what you said about the controllers. While they have some cool features which others don't have the simplicity of the quest 2 controllers make me so annoyed when I use my lenovo explorer, after I tried a quest 2. Obivously the worst thing is the compatibility issues with some games as some straight up stopped accommodating to wmr and whenever I play them there are some features which are hard to use, i.e. switching fire modes on guns or being allowed to use the joystick instead of the touchpad.
I think most of the current WMR users, are people with HP Reverbs (mostly G2's). They use them for simracing and flight sims. Its simply the best value resolution wise, as that is extremely important for sims. Even with the Quest 3 approaching the same resolution, the Reverb G2 is at most matched. Anything higher than that, will be SteamVR native, which you need basestations for etc. So 1000€+ solutions
My HP Reverb 2 boots straight into SteamVR and I believe does not even load up WMR. At least I don't see WMR until I pull it up for calibration or something.
I bought the G2 when it went out, loved it and used it mainly for FS but also skyrim and other experiances. Unfortunately since MS stop supporting it I will probably settle for Quest 3.
@@snagardev Who care if WMR isnt supported. Boot directly into SteamVR with your Reverb G2. Problem solved. I dont even see WMR interface and could care less.
@@camulodunon until the access to work to steam game is revolved 😓 by updating games or things like that, for example, why Beat Saber would continue updating for those helmets now ?... Or maybe by updating Windows 10, one day, if they want, they can disable the all VR system if they like... That's crap 😓
I hate 2 see windows mixed reality go. I never had a vr headset from them yet but I was planning on buying one. Im probably going to buy each one of the windows mixed reality vr and keep/collect them for now to show that I will still support them. I feel like Microsoft could have gone in a better direction with this and make newer and better vr headsets. Even to know it will die Im not giving up on them. Windows mixed reality is to young to die and I will do whatever I can to save. If anyone else believes WMR should live like this comment. #SaveWMR ❤ also sorry if im doing to much everyone.
Valve is said to be working on their next headset, the Valve Deckard. I’ve had my Index for 4 years now and it’s still working great (minus some parts taped together) and I’m not going to replace it until the deckard is released. There’s some videos about it on RUclips so I suggest looking into it, it’s kinda exciting
The deckard looks very promising. I’ve been following the rumors about it since before the steam deck released, and I’m hoping with all of the SteamVR stuff going on right now, the rumors are true. If so, I’d probably buy it day one. I love my HP Reverb G2, but it feels pointless to invest anything more than $20 into it if something breaks.
Hopefully the people who make all sorts of software hacks for various VR platforms will be able to write a WMR driver that would bring you straight into SteamVR and also be compatible with OpenXR. I have a G2v2 and love it, I use it mostly for racing sims and MSFS but did get it to work with my Valve knuckles (best of both worlds) for room scale experiences and games. If MS gave a crap about their customers (they don't), then they would release the source code for WMR so developers can continue it's legacy and keep it alive if not make it even better. One can dream..... Right?
I bought a G2 over a year ago because a friend had one and really loved it and I love it. It’s so comfy and I love the resolution. I bought a second one from a friend last Nov. for $300 as a back up and now I find this out. Doh! Anyways, great video.
I bought the Lenovo Explorer in 2018, and its been my headset for the past 5-6 years. The unfortunate thing was it was discontinued not too long after I bought it. One of my family members broke a controller so I couldn't buy a new one, but luckily the dell controllers also work with the lenovo headset. I wish Microsoft would just keep WMR alive, maybe not release new headsets, but not lock us out of them.
I understand why they’re locking us out from a windows security standpoint, but it sucks knowing my G2 is gonna be an expensive coffee table soon. I love the headset a ton. I just wish Microsoft cared just as much.
@@gspiderextras3586 I wish that after Microsoft is done with WMR, they make the code for the Mixed Reality Portal open source and let the community support it.
I wish someone could come out with a patch to keep the hp reverb still operating. But I am thinking of selling my G2 now since there are still people purchasing them. I can then use some of that money to get a new headset. I have been using my g2 for the last 3 years for racing and occasionally other games like skyrim, fallout, warthunder etc. Great video! You remind me of a younger version of me (I am now in my mid 50's and still love to game)
I've been a Reverb G2 main user since right after launch, but picked up a Quest 3 and it was already starting to replace it as my daily driver when Microsoft dropped the bomb. I was going to keep my G2 as a secondary headset, and I will be watching closely to see if anyone will be able to mod out support for it separate from Windows.
My HP Reverb 2 boots straight into SteamVR. I never see WMR unless I want to calibrate or something. SteamVR becomes my OS so you dont have to really ever see WMR again after initial setup. A very underrate headset even in todays market... I rather take the Reverb G2 than a Quest 3. And my PSVR2 beats both of those... And yes...I own all 3.
The PSVR2 is my favorite “VR” headset as of this exact moment. I think the Quest 3 is a great mixed reality system but its potential hasn’t been fully developed yet so its hard to say. But my only concern with PSVR2 is Sony’s publishing policy being so strict compared to PSVR1. It’s so expensive and difficult to publish something on PSVR2 and indie developers are pretty much forced to use Unreal Engine if they wanna publish their games because of how difficult it is to port them on other engines.
@@gspiderextras3586 Agreed fully. They need to make it easier for Developers to publish but I get they don't want shovelware all over their platform like Quest and SteamVR.
@@gspiderextras3586 Yes loving my PSVR2 as well. Bought the PCVR adapter but didnt have a 1.4 Display Port cable so waiting for that. Heard good things about the headset with PCVR after a few app updates.
I honestly think SteamOS will be the future for these headsets... There is a video of someone getting the HP Reverb G2 up and running with the open source Monado openXR environment in Linux (instead of WMR). So I am wondering if it's just a matter of time before Valve releases "Deckard" and compatibility for these older WMR headsets will be integrated into SteamOS instead.
Honestly, I would love to see SteamOS integration for these devices. I don’t think anything will actually happen just because of how WMR is built, but if it ever comes out, I’ll be extremely happy. But i have a feeling that there will be a lot of open source projects with a goal of preserving WMR. It’s still a unique piece of hardware, just bottlenecked by poorly designed and older software.
11:25 Only at this moment I noticed the Boneworks music. Rn I'm walking it through on my *HP REVERB G2* for the 3rd time to buy the cool guns in the end. I really love the headset and I'm glad I'm still on Windows 10 because my CPU is too old:D Would be great if Microsoft made WMR and its marketing better. Or it would be great if HP added SteamVR support without WMR because the headset deserves that
Yeah, it’s unfortunate. I recently upgraded to the PSVR2 w/ pc adapter & part of me wishes I could use both headsets. The reverbs resolution is just so extremely high that some games really benefit from it, but the OLED panel is a decent enough trade off that it’s not too upsetting.
I had the dell visor and it was my first proper dive into VR. I played Boneworks, Beat Saber, Saints and Sinners, Half Life Alyx and FNaF Help wanted all for the first time on that headset. It was a brilliant first headset even if it did have its issues (Windows 10 updates caused it to not work and crash alot lol)
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i dont think WMR sold bad yah the software was not the best but i have 5 friends that have g2's including my self and im made that microsoft is about to F everything up and iv met a hand full of people using the g2 so i think it was popular just not as much as other head sets but that besides the point what microsoft is doing should be illegal to do i have a lenovo explorer and a g2 v2 and also the tracking is not that bad and ill stand by that i have proof of that to i think people over react about it like it is the worst thig ever when in reality it is not and it works fine and i dont want my 850 dollarsCAD head set to go to waist i only had the g2 for a year and i had the g1 for 6 years way back in 2018 and i refuse to go back to my quest 2 it is not as good as the g2 in pc vr im upset about it F microsoft for what they are doing the g2 is my favorite head set and no i dont think the quest 2 is a bad head set its just not the head set for me everyone has a preference in vr head sets and the quest 2 for me is only good for stand alone vr gaming not pc gaming for me.
this just seems to be a thing that happens a lot with microsoft when ever they try to venture into new markets it just seems to never works out for them
Yes and no. As long as you don’t install a new copy of windows on your computer or get a new computer, the headset should still work. But if you get a new PC and/or do a fresh install of Windows after Fall of 2026, the headset will no longer work unfortunately.
I think one of the biggest issues with wmr was that it simply wasnt very accessible, if they had ported it over to the xbox one s/x or the xbox series x/s it might have became fairly popular especially given the fact that the series s is wayyy cheaper than a psvr2 setup but wouldve also been significantly better than psvr1. Its a big shame honestly
I understand why it never came to xbox consoles for a few reasons. Headsets were manufactured by multiple companies, they’d have to redesign the firmware on all of them, their main focus was for work purposes and Xbox wasn’t big on VR at the time. But then the reverb lineup released, and it WAS focused on games and simulators. Now we see Playstation redesigning the PSVR2’s firmware to work on PC proving that with enough effort, WMR on Xbox could’ve been a thing. If Microsoft played their cards right, the PCVR and console VR landscape would be drastically different and I feel would be much healthier than the state it is in now.
Id recommend getting some lens inserts if you plan to keep using it. They’re a lot cheaper than you’d expect and make your entire experience super comfy! Reloptix makes some high quality kits, they’re the best brand I’ve found from bouncing between different lenses.
They should regret discontinuing now before it's too late! Open source the platform or parts of it Better still take a break and discuss with tech companies to develop it off screen, just don't let Apple ride you over like that it's disrespectful. Go get some balls Microsoft! You are supposed to be the Shit!
Unfortunately the new Windows update has already been rolled out which removes the drivers and software necessary to make the headset work. At this point, it is what it is. Very unfortunate situation.
For games designed with the original Vive Wands, they're great! You get the joystick as well as the touchpad, making movement much easier for those older games.
You know Microsoft is still in XR right? Like heavly? The hololens is stronger then ever with theUS army backing it now and is still industry leading in AR headset use outside the milltary.... and they are best freinds with Meta and valve now... So yeah I don't get the end of the video at all... What it sounds like you want is a Quest 3 with a link cable or air link or vitruarl desktop... it has every thing you wanted in MS MR and so much more... Also think of it this way if Deckard is what you've dreamed of it's still backed by Microsoft so yeah pretty7 much get a quest like us Rift CV1 fans choose too my Rift still works the same as it did when I got it in 2017... But the quest 3 is a pure upgrade in every way even as a PCVR always ready headset.
I work IT and am currently a Microsoft-certified agent, I’m very aware of the hololens and Microsoft’s presence in the mixed reality space. The point of this video was to go over Windows Mixed Reality specifically, describing how the headset launched as a promise for a super simple and budget friendly mixed reality experience at-home. But that mixed reality promise never really came to the headset, with limiting hardware for everyday consumers and almost no MR software. But after little to no time, that “mixed reality” idea got canned and they tried to make purely gaming headsets, doing a collaboration with Valve & HP to make something good (HP Reverb G2). But because of Microsoft’s nonsensical WMR requirements, the headset had a couple major issues like the tracking and the unfinished WMR portal. The ending was supposed to signify how Microsoft had a good idea, but was scared to invest further into it because they didn’t want to keep up with technology. Sure, a Quest 3 with a link cable or the rumored Deckard may be my solution. But this big shutdown for WMR where every headset will be inoperable in 3 years makes it harder for the consumer to trust Microsoft, especially if they attempt to make something similar again in a few years. This is not an issue with the headsets themselves. HP and Valve did a fantastic job making the HP Reverb G2, and is still my headset of choice over something like the Quest 3 and Valve Index because of the high resolution, best fresnel lenses I’ve seen in a headset, and no video compression when connected to a pc. This video is about Microsoft, specifically criticizing how they had a ton of time and opportunities to make every windows mixed reality headset better, but lack the motivation to continue funding a project like this. Sorry for going a bit rambly and please let me know if something doesn’t make sense, but I want to get my point across that this isn’t about replacing my headset. If I wanted to, I would have replaced my headset already. It’s about losing a platform for companies to launch their VR headsets, and all the people who invested in the idea of easy mixed reality at-home back before the quest was even an idea. Now I and many others am being forced to replace my headset because of their poor decisions. Meta discontinued the Rift lineup not too long ago, just like WMR is being discontinued now. The only difference is that we still trust Meta’s hardware because your headset you got from 2017 will still work until it breaks. My HP Reverb G2 I got back in 2021 and my Acer headset I got back in 2017 won’t work after 2027. It’s hard to keep their trust.
@@gspiderextras3586Oh your fine my videos get that critique too... But just that last bit was a bit out of place and yeah it's unlike Microsoft as they support things from when the company was funded for exemple Lego island a Windows 98 game still gets updates in current windows and both kenacts are still supported even if they don't have updates... But you knew the riskes going in didn't you? As you said in the video a major con of windows mixed reality was that odd ccoupling to windows.... Also side note to my suprise is yes 1st gen MR Quest 2/Pro is 2nd and Q3 /AVP is 3rd Holo lens is just AR...Which yes it's bad that Microsoft did not decouple the softwear from windows to make it easier to upkeep or even make it a SteamVR/Octulas app I'm sure fans will keep it alive like pretty much anything popular these days unless Microsoft ban hammers the efforts which not being a game I doudt it will... So yeah odd to hate Microsoft for this and this alone.
@@GreenBlueWalkthrough Here's the thing. My hate for Microsoft isn't purely for WMR. The headsets themselves, the software capabilities (for the time), and the idea are all great. But Microsoft more recently has had a habit of promising things and underdelivering. Windows 11: It was promised to be a simple upgrade to Windows 10 with some extra security and performance upgrades. What was delivered was a buggy, unsecure mess that was the launch of Windows 11. It took until now, 2 1/2 years later to have a comparable operating system and even today, it still is buggy if you want to upgrade your current copy of Windows 10. Xbox: The series s and x consoles are okay. They're not bad hardware by any means, but they don't innovate anywhere. But what was promsied was one of the most expensive games ever produced (Halo Infinite) to launch side by side with these new systems, and it be the largest entry in the series to date. It was delayed which I appreciate them doing, but it released in an unfinished state. The gameplay wasn't anything crazy, the campaign wasn't what was promised, it wasn't bad by any means but it was nowhere near what Microsoft promised. And now that the series s is around, Microsoft says every game released on their platform needs to work on both systems which is leaving developers with more work, setting the next generation of consoles back a bit, and having an inconsistent experience across Xbox platforms. Microsoft Office: This used to be a license you can purchase once and never touch again. It would give you word, excel, powerpoint, and outlook to keep forever. But since 2020, they discontinued the permanent purchase with office home and student 2021 being the only option available now. If you want to keep getting updates for your programs or want access to outlook, you need to sign up for Microsoft 365 which is a plan that goes for $70 a year. If you are somewhat into tech, you know that Google offers a lot of these services for free. Microsoft knows this, which is why a terabyte of cloud storage is included. It itself is not a bad bundle. What I have issues with is charging $70 a year and basically exploiting people who don't use technology much. Surface Laptops: These are just a scam. Constant hardware issues, software issues, expensive prices, lack of performance, these things just actually suck. But they have basically a monopoly on people who want a computer with a cellular plan. When everything is working perfectly, the surface laptops are good at most things because of the custom OS that is installed on these devices to make sure you are getting the most out of your hardware. But if something fails or you want more storage, it requires a new PC. And because of the way they're designed, if your motherboard fails the only way to recover data is through Onedrive which is $70 a year. Or another cloud service, but Onedrive works best with Windows. I wonder why. I could go on for awhile about this company and I apoligize for typing out an essay about it. I hate Microsoft. One product is not going to make me hate a company. You should view each product as its own thing unrelated to the manufacturer. And I am not saying that Microsoft can't make a good product, absolutely not. I love my Xbox 360, I use Windows 11 on all my devices, and Gamepass, as harmful as it is to the game industry, is a great way to play new games I otherwise wouldn't have. But if you continue to promise things and underdeliver or do shady things like selling a surface laptop without a keyboard and making you spend another $230 on top of your $1,000 you already spent for $400 hardware, it's going to hit your reputation as a brand. And to prove my point even more, in the short amount of time between now and when I uploaded this video, Microsoft changed their promise on WMR. In the next update to Windows 11 this year (24H2), the software necessary to make WMR work will be removed from your OS. The only way to keep it working will be to use Windows 10 or an older version of Windows 11. After 3 years, they will be removing the software from the Microsoft store/Steam that is necessary to make the headset work & they are going back to older versions of Windows 11 and manually removing WMR functionality from the OS. They don't have to do this, but they are. Just to make things clear, I don't know if this sounds like a hate comment or anything but it's not. I obviously didn't explain something properly which is bad on my end so hopefully this comment clears things up a bit.
things like these.. is sorta frightening me from buying a quest 2 now.. 2 years ago i decided to dip my poormans foot into VR. and bought a rift S headset on ebay.. but oop! it didnt come with a cable.. ... what vr? now there is quest 3..but cant afford that... and considering the q2.. they have rumors of q3 lite... so really wary that as i buy one.. boom.. support gone lol.
Yeahhh the headset market right now as a whole isn’t the strongest. I think the PSVR2 and Quest 3 are the closest we will get to good and remotely budget-friendly headsets, but the days of buying one for 300 bucks and getting long-term support seem to be gone. At least for now.
I had the Lenovo Explorer and Samsung Odyssey Plus, they were really good budget headsets and I recommended all the time to new players. I just REALLY didn't like the controllers compared to all the other options. I also wish they would have fully created the Halo VR game, it was cruel of them to release that teaser and never take it any further 😢
I was never able to play the Halo demo they had before it got delisted. It seemed like a cool gimmick, but I’ve never been a big halo fan so it was low on my priority list of games to play.
Also, hi chris!! It’s super cool to see a comment from you, I hope you enjoyed the video :]
I agree big time with what you said about the controllers. While they have some cool features which others don't have the simplicity of the quest 2 controllers make me so annoyed when I use my lenovo explorer, after I tried a quest 2. Obivously the worst thing is the compatibility issues with some games as some straight up stopped accommodating to wmr and whenever I play them there are some features which are hard to use, i.e. switching fire modes on guns or being allowed to use the joystick instead of the touchpad.
I think most of the current WMR users, are people with HP Reverbs (mostly G2's).
They use them for simracing and flight sims. Its simply the best value resolution wise, as that is extremely important for sims.
Even with the Quest 3 approaching the same resolution, the Reverb G2 is at most matched.
Anything higher than that, will be SteamVR native, which you need basestations for etc. So 1000€+ solutions
My HP Reverb 2 boots straight into SteamVR and I believe does not even load up WMR.
At least I don't see WMR until I pull it up for calibration or something.
I bought the G2 when it went out, loved it and used it mainly for FS but also skyrim and other experiances.
Unfortunately since MS stop supporting it I will probably settle for Quest 3.
@@snagardev Who care if WMR isnt supported. Boot directly into SteamVR with your Reverb G2. Problem solved. I dont even see WMR interface and could care less.
Just like Windows phone, and mark my word they will regret later.
You're not alone, I'm a Lenovo Explorer user daily, I didn't even know about the shutdown of WMR, that's sucks, my vr headset is in superb condition 😓
As other have said, you can still just to boot straight to steamvr
@@camulodunon until the access to work to steam game is revolved 😓 by updating games or things like that, for example, why Beat Saber would continue updating for those helmets now ?...
Or maybe by updating Windows 10, one day, if they want, they can disable the all VR system if they like... That's crap 😓
I hate 2 see windows mixed reality go. I never had a vr headset from them yet but I was planning on buying one. Im probably going to buy each one of the windows mixed reality vr and keep/collect them for now to show that I will still support them. I feel like Microsoft could have gone in a better direction with this and make newer and better vr headsets. Even to know it will die Im not giving up on them. Windows mixed reality is to young to die and I will do whatever I can to save. If anyone else believes WMR should live like this comment. #SaveWMR ❤ also sorry if im doing to much everyone.
Valve is said to be working on their next headset, the Valve Deckard. I’ve had my Index for 4 years now and it’s still working great (minus some parts taped together) and I’m not going to replace it until the deckard is released. There’s some videos about it on RUclips so I suggest looking into it, it’s kinda exciting
The deckard looks very promising. I’ve been following the rumors about it since before the steam deck released, and I’m hoping with all of the SteamVR stuff going on right now, the rumors are true. If so, I’d probably buy it day one. I love my HP Reverb G2, but it feels pointless to invest anything more than $20 into it if something breaks.
wow this is a really good vid surprised it isn't bigger!
Hopefully the people who make all sorts of software hacks for various VR platforms will be able to write a WMR driver that would bring you straight into SteamVR and also be compatible with OpenXR. I have a G2v2 and love it, I use it mostly for racing sims and MSFS but did get it to work with my Valve knuckles (best of both worlds) for room scale experiences and games. If MS gave a crap about their customers (they don't), then they would release the source code for WMR so developers can continue it's legacy and keep it alive if not make it even better.
One can dream..... Right?
I bought a G2 over a year ago because a friend had one and really loved it and I love it. It’s so comfy and I love the resolution. I bought a second one from a friend last Nov. for $300 as a back up and now I find this out. Doh! Anyways, great video.
I bought the Lenovo Explorer in 2018, and its been my headset for the past 5-6 years. The unfortunate thing was it was discontinued not too long after I bought it. One of my family members broke a controller so I couldn't buy a new one, but luckily the dell controllers also work with the lenovo headset. I wish Microsoft would just keep WMR alive, maybe not release new headsets, but not lock us out of them.
I understand why they’re locking us out from a windows security standpoint, but it sucks knowing my G2 is gonna be an expensive coffee table soon. I love the headset a ton. I just wish Microsoft cared just as much.
@@GalacticFoxCat That sounds promising!
@@gspiderextras3586 I wish that after Microsoft is done with WMR, they make the code for the Mixed Reality Portal open source and let the community support it.
I wish someone could come out with a patch to keep the hp reverb still operating. But I am thinking of selling my G2 now since there are still people purchasing them. I can then use some of that money to get a new headset. I have been using my g2 for the last 3 years for racing and occasionally other games like skyrim, fallout, warthunder etc. Great video! You remind me of a younger version of me (I am now in my mid 50's and still love to game)
To keep older version...
SYSTEM>RESTORE>GO BACK
I've been a Reverb G2 main user since right after launch, but picked up a Quest 3 and it was already starting to replace it as my daily driver when Microsoft dropped the bomb. I was going to keep my G2 as a secondary headset, and I will be watching closely to see if anyone will be able to mod out support for it separate from Windows.
Me too as I own two of these.
I'm certain a team of people could easily make a homebrew software that allows for WMR support independent from microsoft's shit.
from one small channel to another keep at it king, you popped off with this one👑
My HP Reverb 2 boots straight into SteamVR.
I never see WMR unless I want to calibrate or something.
SteamVR becomes my OS so you dont have to really ever see WMR again after initial setup.
A very underrate headset even in todays market...
I rather take the Reverb G2 than a Quest 3.
And my PSVR2 beats both of those...
And yes...I own all 3.
The PSVR2 is my favorite “VR” headset as of this exact moment. I think the Quest 3 is a great mixed reality system but its potential hasn’t been fully developed yet so its hard to say. But my only concern with PSVR2 is Sony’s publishing policy being so strict compared to PSVR1. It’s so expensive and difficult to publish something on PSVR2 and indie developers are pretty much forced to use Unreal Engine if they wanna publish their games because of how difficult it is to port them on other engines.
@@gspiderextras3586 Agreed fully. They need to make it easier for Developers to publish but I get they don't want shovelware all over their platform like Quest and SteamVR.
wmr does it's thing in the background, it won't work without wmr
@@gspiderextras3586 Yes loving my PSVR2 as well. Bought the PCVR adapter but didnt have a 1.4 Display Port cable so waiting for that. Heard good things about the headset with PCVR after a few app updates.
@@cognitonito2695 I know it needs WMR. WMR is still going for 2 more years though.
I honestly think SteamOS will be the future for these headsets... There is a video of someone getting the HP Reverb G2 up and running with the open source Monado openXR environment in Linux (instead of WMR). So I am wondering if it's just a matter of time before Valve releases "Deckard" and compatibility for these older WMR headsets will be integrated into SteamOS instead.
Honestly, I would love to see SteamOS integration for these devices. I don’t think anything will actually happen just because of how WMR is built, but if it ever comes out, I’ll be extremely happy. But i have a feeling that there will be a lot of open source projects with a goal of preserving WMR. It’s still a unique piece of hardware, just bottlenecked by poorly designed and older software.
11:25 Only at this moment I noticed the Boneworks music. Rn I'm walking it through on my *HP REVERB G2* for the 3rd time to buy the cool guns in the end. I really love the headset and I'm glad I'm still on Windows 10 because my CPU is too old:D
Would be great if Microsoft made WMR and its marketing better. Or it would be great if HP added SteamVR support without WMR because the headset deserves that
Always loved mixed reality. I updated to the newest 24h2, only to find mixed reality no longer works. Sucks. :(
Yeah, it’s unfortunate. I recently upgraded to the PSVR2 w/ pc adapter & part of me wishes I could use both headsets. The reverbs resolution is just so extremely high that some games really benefit from it, but the OLED panel is a decent enough trade off that it’s not too upsetting.
I had the dell visor and it was my first proper dive into VR. I played Boneworks, Beat Saber, Saints and Sinners, Half Life Alyx and FNaF Help wanted all for the first time on that headset. It was a brilliant first headset even if it did have its issues (Windows 10 updates caused it to not work and crash alot lol)
This video is underrated, really good and you should have more subscribers then you do
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Thanks for the compliments !
Let’s not credit HTC for anything inside out tracking related 5 years later they are still patching bugs in the VIVE cosmos tracking 😂
i dont think WMR sold bad yah the software was not the best but i have 5 friends that have g2's including my self and im made that microsoft is about to F everything up and iv met a hand full of people using the g2 so i think it was popular just not as much as other head sets but that besides the point what microsoft is doing should be illegal to do i have a lenovo explorer and a g2 v2 and also the tracking is not that bad and ill stand by that i have proof of that to i think people over react about it like it is the worst thig ever when in reality it is not and it works fine and i dont want my 850 dollarsCAD head set to go to waist i only had the g2 for a year and i had the g1 for 6 years way back in 2018 and i refuse to go back to my quest 2 it is not as good as the g2 in pc vr im upset about it F microsoft for what they are doing the g2 is my favorite head set and no i dont think the quest 2 is a bad head set its just not the head set for me everyone has a preference in vr head sets and the quest 2 for me is only good for stand alone vr gaming not pc gaming for me.
this just seems to be a thing that happens a lot with microsoft when ever they try to venture into new markets it just seems to never works out for them
will my g2 still work after fall of 2026 with steamvr and open xr without wmr presence?
Yes and no. As long as you don’t install a new copy of windows on your computer or get a new computer, the headset should still work. But if you get a new PC and/or do a fresh install of Windows after Fall of 2026, the headset will no longer work unfortunately.
I think one of the biggest issues with wmr was that it simply wasnt very accessible, if they had ported it over to the xbox one s/x or the xbox series x/s it might have became fairly popular especially given the fact that the series s is wayyy cheaper than a psvr2 setup but wouldve also been significantly better than psvr1. Its a big shame honestly
I understand why it never came to xbox consoles for a few reasons. Headsets were manufactured by multiple companies, they’d have to redesign the firmware on all of them, their main focus was for work purposes and Xbox wasn’t big on VR at the time. But then the reverb lineup released, and it WAS focused on games and simulators. Now we see Playstation redesigning the PSVR2’s firmware to work on PC proving that with enough effort, WMR on Xbox could’ve been a thing. If Microsoft played their cards right, the PCVR and console VR landscape would be drastically different and I feel would be much healthier than the state it is in now.
i got one but its a pain with out glasses
Id recommend getting some lens inserts if you plan to keep using it. They’re a lot cheaper than you’d expect and make your entire experience super comfy! Reloptix makes some high quality kits, they’re the best brand I’ve found from bouncing between different lenses.
They should regret discontinuing now before it's too late!
Open source the platform or parts of it
Better still take a break and discuss with tech companies to develop it off screen, just don't let Apple ride you over like that it's disrespectful. Go get some balls Microsoft! You are supposed to be the Shit!
Unfortunately the new Windows update has already been rolled out which removes the drivers and software necessary to make the headset work. At this point, it is what it is. Very unfortunate situation.
Bro ain’t no way he said that it is his favorite controller
For games designed with the original Vive Wands, they're great! You get the joystick as well as the touchpad, making movement much easier for those older games.
You know Microsoft is still in XR right? Like heavly? The hololens is stronger then ever with theUS army backing it now and is still industry leading in AR headset use outside the milltary.... and they are best freinds with Meta and valve now... So yeah I don't get the end of the video at all... What it sounds like you want is a Quest 3 with a link cable or air link or vitruarl desktop... it has every thing you wanted in MS MR and so much more... Also think of it this way if Deckard is what you've dreamed of it's still backed by Microsoft so yeah pretty7 much get a quest like us Rift CV1 fans choose too my Rift still works the same as it did when I got it in 2017... But the quest 3 is a pure upgrade in every way even as a PCVR always ready headset.
I work IT and am currently a Microsoft-certified agent, I’m very aware of the hololens and Microsoft’s presence in the mixed reality space. The point of this video was to go over Windows Mixed Reality specifically, describing how the headset launched as a promise for a super simple and budget friendly mixed reality experience at-home. But that mixed reality promise never really came to the headset, with limiting hardware for everyday consumers and almost no MR software. But after little to no time, that “mixed reality” idea got canned and they tried to make purely gaming headsets, doing a collaboration with Valve & HP to make something good (HP Reverb G2). But because of Microsoft’s nonsensical WMR requirements, the headset had a couple major issues like the tracking and the unfinished WMR portal. The ending was supposed to signify how Microsoft had a good idea, but was scared to invest further into it because they didn’t want to keep up with technology. Sure, a Quest 3 with a link cable or the rumored Deckard may be my solution. But this big shutdown for WMR where every headset will be inoperable in 3 years makes it harder for the consumer to trust Microsoft, especially if they attempt to make something similar again in a few years. This is not an issue with the headsets themselves. HP and Valve did a fantastic job making the HP Reverb G2, and is still my headset of choice over something like the Quest 3 and Valve Index because of the high resolution, best fresnel lenses I’ve seen in a headset, and no video compression when connected to a pc. This video is about Microsoft, specifically criticizing how they had a ton of time and opportunities to make every windows mixed reality headset better, but lack the motivation to continue funding a project like this. Sorry for going a bit rambly and please let me know if something doesn’t make sense, but I want to get my point across that this isn’t about replacing my headset. If I wanted to, I would have replaced my headset already. It’s about losing a platform for companies to launch their VR headsets, and all the people who invested in the idea of easy mixed reality at-home back before the quest was even an idea. Now I and many others am being forced to replace my headset because of their poor decisions. Meta discontinued the Rift lineup not too long ago, just like WMR is being discontinued now. The only difference is that we still trust Meta’s hardware because your headset you got from 2017 will still work until it breaks. My HP Reverb G2 I got back in 2021 and my Acer headset I got back in 2017 won’t work after 2027. It’s hard to keep their trust.
@@gspiderextras3586Oh your fine my videos get that critique too... But just that last bit was a bit out of place and yeah it's unlike Microsoft as they support things from when the company was funded for exemple Lego island a Windows 98 game still gets updates in current windows and both kenacts are still supported even if they don't have updates... But you knew the riskes going in didn't you? As you said in the video a major con of windows mixed reality was that odd ccoupling to windows.... Also side note to my suprise is yes 1st gen MR Quest 2/Pro is 2nd and Q3 /AVP is 3rd Holo lens is just AR...Which yes it's bad that Microsoft did not decouple the softwear from windows to make it easier to upkeep or even make it a SteamVR/Octulas app I'm sure fans will keep it alive like pretty much anything popular these days unless Microsoft ban hammers the efforts which not being a game I doudt it will... So yeah odd to hate Microsoft for this and this alone.
@@GreenBlueWalkthrough Here's the thing. My hate for Microsoft isn't purely for WMR. The headsets themselves, the software capabilities (for the time), and the idea are all great. But Microsoft more recently has had a habit of promising things and underdelivering.
Windows 11: It was promised to be a simple upgrade to Windows 10 with some extra security and performance upgrades. What was delivered was a buggy, unsecure mess that was the launch of Windows 11. It took until now, 2 1/2 years later to have a comparable operating system and even today, it still is buggy if you want to upgrade your current copy of Windows 10.
Xbox: The series s and x consoles are okay. They're not bad hardware by any means, but they don't innovate anywhere. But what was promsied was one of the most expensive games ever produced (Halo Infinite) to launch side by side with these new systems, and it be the largest entry in the series to date. It was delayed which I appreciate them doing, but it released in an unfinished state. The gameplay wasn't anything crazy, the campaign wasn't what was promised, it wasn't bad by any means but it was nowhere near what Microsoft promised. And now that the series s is around, Microsoft says every game released on their platform needs to work on both systems which is leaving developers with more work, setting the next generation of consoles back a bit, and having an inconsistent experience across Xbox platforms.
Microsoft Office: This used to be a license you can purchase once and never touch again. It would give you word, excel, powerpoint, and outlook to keep forever. But since 2020, they discontinued the permanent purchase with office home and student 2021 being the only option available now. If you want to keep getting updates for your programs or want access to outlook, you need to sign up for Microsoft 365 which is a plan that goes for $70 a year. If you are somewhat into tech, you know that Google offers a lot of these services for free. Microsoft knows this, which is why a terabyte of cloud storage is included. It itself is not a bad bundle. What I have issues with is charging $70 a year and basically exploiting people who don't use technology much.
Surface Laptops: These are just a scam. Constant hardware issues, software issues, expensive prices, lack of performance, these things just actually suck. But they have basically a monopoly on people who want a computer with a cellular plan. When everything is working perfectly, the surface laptops are good at most things because of the custom OS that is installed on these devices to make sure you are getting the most out of your hardware. But if something fails or you want more storage, it requires a new PC. And because of the way they're designed, if your motherboard fails the only way to recover data is through Onedrive which is $70 a year. Or another cloud service, but Onedrive works best with Windows. I wonder why.
I could go on for awhile about this company and I apoligize for typing out an essay about it. I hate Microsoft. One product is not going to make me hate a company. You should view each product as its own thing unrelated to the manufacturer. And I am not saying that Microsoft can't make a good product, absolutely not. I love my Xbox 360, I use Windows 11 on all my devices, and Gamepass, as harmful as it is to the game industry, is a great way to play new games I otherwise wouldn't have. But if you continue to promise things and underdeliver or do shady things like selling a surface laptop without a keyboard and making you spend another $230 on top of your $1,000 you already spent for $400 hardware, it's going to hit your reputation as a brand.
And to prove my point even more, in the short amount of time between now and when I uploaded this video, Microsoft changed their promise on WMR. In the next update to Windows 11 this year (24H2), the software necessary to make WMR work will be removed from your OS. The only way to keep it working will be to use Windows 10 or an older version of Windows 11. After 3 years, they will be removing the software from the Microsoft store/Steam that is necessary to make the headset work & they are going back to older versions of Windows 11 and manually removing WMR functionality from the OS. They don't have to do this, but they are.
Just to make things clear, I don't know if this sounds like a hate comment or anything but it's not. I obviously didn't explain something properly which is bad on my end so hopefully this comment clears things up a bit.
Microsoft SUX
More like the gradual decline of PCVR as a whole...
More like Windows Mixed POOPOO....
things like these.. is sorta frightening me from buying a quest 2 now..
2 years ago i decided to dip my poormans foot into VR. and bought a rift S headset on ebay.. but oop! it didnt come with a cable.. ... what vr?
now there is quest 3..but cant afford that...
and considering the q2.. they have rumors of q3 lite...
so really wary that as i buy one.. boom.. support gone lol.
Yeahhh the headset market right now as a whole isn’t the strongest. I think the PSVR2 and Quest 3 are the closest we will get to good and remotely budget-friendly headsets, but the days of buying one for 300 bucks and getting long-term support seem to be gone. At least for now.