What Went Wrong With Thor: The Dark World
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Thor: The Dark World is often held up as everything that's wrong with the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Pre-Thor: Ragnarok, the Chris Hemsworth franchise was not getting much respect. In this video I dig into the production behind Dark World and what led us to the film we have today...for better or worse.
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Rank the Thor movies! Which do you think is best and worst?
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Well, that's easy.
Thor: Ragnarok > Thor > Thor: The Dark World
1. Thor (underrated)
2. Thor: Ragnarok (Not as good as people say it's just fine)
3. Thor: The Dark World
Thor 3 > Thor 1 > Amazing Spiderman 2 > Thor 3
1.Thor
2.Thor Ragnarok
3.Thor The Dark World
captainmidnight The Thor trilogy is one of those series where the quality of the movies is objective.
1. Ragnarok
2. Thor
3. The Dark World
Thor hanging his hammer on a coat hook was still a funny joke. The hook is more worthy than most humans
Nice
Everyone in Asgard wears such intricate clothing, so of course Odin recognizes the worthiness of a good coat hook.
"elevator's not worthy"
or whatever the line was from Age of Ultron
There's nothing about that joke that doesn't make any sense. The coat rack is an inanimate object meaning it can't be worthy nor unworthy.
@@jessec.6876 The coat hook resents that.
Also, Endgame, to it's credit, did give Thor the Dark World more weight with adding the scenes with the mom. So that's a plus.
The writers of Endgame works on the Dark World maybe they needed to make something good with it...
I think Endgame really proved Jenkins was right. Thor has had much more success diving emotionally into the characters and their relationships.
They literally gave Thor more weight physically
They dramatically improved the mother character. She's pretty cool when she's not getting ignored.
*its credit
Yeah, the Loki relationship with Thor was the best part.
If the movie was Romeo and Juliet with the aether instead of the poison and the Loki scenes mostly unchanged I can really see it coming together as a great film about relationships. Thor and his parents, Thor and his brother, Thor and his girlfriend, Thor and his friends... we had a racism subplot already built into Thor 1 with "Frost Giants" being less than people. There could have been some deep moments, subtle and almost unspoken just from acting and the plot, showing that it is the choices that make a person worthwhile or not instead of their race. Have one Asgardian talk about science with Jane, or have Thor brag of her education.
By Ragnarok Thor has gotten over the racism and become a better person than he was at the start thanks to his time on Earth, but Dark World is not a great step on his journey of character growth in a lot of ways.
And if I could change anything about Loki I'd have the MCU team embrace the idea from deleted scenes that Loki was tortured by the Chitauri before the Dark World was filmed. It was cut from Avengers, but fans were clearly eating up Tom Hiddleston's nuanced take on the villain and had jumped on the humanizing deleted scenes from Thor 1. It could have made the whole theme of complicated relationships better and removed the ugly "help me and I give you nothing" bargain Thor makes with him.
I really loved the film for the Thor and Loki Teamwork Scenes
I loved the scene where loki shapeshifted to captain america!😂
Thor: "She wouldn't want us to fight."
Loki: "Well... She wouldn't exactly be surprised."
They shouldve renamed the movie to Loki: The Dark World.
It was Loki's film tbh.
I saw that kind of jokes a lot then, a lot due to the marketing.
Thor Ragnarok is the first Thor movie that’s focus mainly about Thor. The first two is all about Loki.
@@nont18411 even avengers could’ve been called Loki: An Avenged Threat and it could’ve worked
@@Benlovescheese it took 4 phases for marvel to finally name a loki focused project loki.
Me: *Sees the thumbnail of this video.
Me: *Questions myself
Am I in 2014?
captainmidnight is about 5 years lately xD
Me: *Sees the thumbnail of this video.
Me: *Questions myself
is this a Wisecrack video, maybe a colab ??
Tú Đàm He found use for the Pym particles 😂😂😂
Malekith didn't get the focus that future MCU villains would, too much time was spent on inconsequential stuff in the movie (pointless excursions with the side characters, for example). A lot of scenes of Malekith was actually cut (Christopher Eccleston said in an Interview that scenes showcasing the Dark Elves' history with Odin's father were filmed but never used).
It's a shame, because Eccleston is a fantastic actor, but people don't even realise he was in the MCU.
Malekith is a sadistic badass in the comics.
Malekith and his elves are all forgetable mostly because they are subtitled instead of just speaking English like the other alien races of the MCU.
All i remember about Malekith from this movie was that he was a jabroni who got his ass kicked in almost every scene he was in. Even Thor's mom kicked his ass.
"fantastic actor" I see what you did there
They should deeper with Malekith's character. He wanted the universe how it was before in the movie he talk about the big bang being an accident.
I still think the unbelievably quick relationship with Jane Foster hurt both of the first two
Thor movies. I was hoping Dark World
Would fix it, but I still never bought it. Loki also overshadowed Thor which I didn’t appreciate.
Lmao thats kinda meta actually, Loki always overshadowed by Thor
I always thought Natalie Portman was wasted in the first two Thor movies. I know she becomes a huge deal for Thor in the comics, but I didn't see any of that in these films so far. With Taika Waititi still on board for the next Thor movie, and how she gets to have the hammer next, I'm really hoping that will give her a lot of character.
As CM said, the Loki scenes were almost 100% Whedon, and it shoes. They're probably the best bit of the film.
The good side is that Ragnarock took this level of writing and ran with it (and the idea of an Asgardiens of the Galaxy has me reaching for my credit card already).
@@dartheverstar9564 Tony and Pepper's relation is more like a semi-dysfunctional (married) couple: they bicker a lot but still cares for each other
Cap and Carter's relationship is believable enough but part of me would prefer that Cap moves on with his life (they kinda teases that with the waitress in Avengers)
This isn't a romance movie its an action movie I didnt expect so much people to care about the romantic part of it
To me, Dark World is all about the continuation of Loki and Thor's relationship, after the total cliffhanger of an ending to The Avengers! I really enjoyed all of their scenes. Their arcs would have missed so much if this movie didn't exist, so I really like it for that.
This movie may not have been that good but it still has one of my favorite mcu tracks being "into eternity" which is the song played during thor's mother's funeral.
Adham Was Here yes yes yes! I cried in the theater when that track played
Yes I love that song so beautiful and hilarious when reused in Ragnarok
Never hated this movie, and I appreciate it even more knowing the back story.
Likewise
Same , I never hated the movie , I liked .
I liked it as well
Sameee
Go see Love and Thunder, and tell me you prefer The Dark World over that miserable failure of a movie
The only part I liked about it was Loki and how he was like very upset about his mothers death so he sacrifices himself to save his brother but then plot twist he survived and I just love how Loki pretending to be Odin at the end then Thor is like thank you then it’s revealed it was Loki then Loki is like No thank you.
U 0 brilliant synopsis
U 0 Yeah that part was really cool.
That was another thing changed in post-production. Loki was supposed to have died for real, redemption arc complete, but when Marvel realized how popular Loki was with fans, they hurriedly shot some footage where he took Odin's place. This was dumb, because it locked in the story in a stupid direction. They should have let Loki stay dead, and figured out bringing him back afterwards. Everyone knows there's Really Dead and then there's Marvel Dead.
@@astrinymris9953 Which sticks out sore like a thumb considering to this day nobody knows how Loki managed to fake his death at Thor 2. The same way nobody can explain how he survived at the end of Thor 1 or how Thor got to Earth without the Bifrost at Avengers 1. They really didn't think that much through, which now makes ppl confused rather will he be around after Endgame beyond the Disney Plus series.
@@radrno7 The answer could be that he did NOT, in fact, "fake his death". He really got stabbed through the chest by the Kurse, but, he did not die. Thor just left his body there (which was really weird to be honest, I would have taken my brother's corpse to Asgard if I'd been him!). You can just imagine that Loki then woke up, having survived because, being a God, he's tough... And he simply let Thor and everyone else believe that he was truly dead, and took advantage of it. This is very much what Loki usually does: he improvises and tries to turn things to his advantage (even though very often, he ironically ends up making things worse for himself, as in Thor 1 where he had not planned for all this to happen at all, but was caught in a series of events he could not longer control).
Man the Patty Jenkins one sounds way better. Still, the way things worked out, we got Ragnarok, so I can't really complain
She's a perfectly capable storyteller but with the level of power at the disposal of both characters a romeo-juliet story would've been very hard to justify and pull off at the same time
I still would have loved to see Jenkins' movie
More Natalie Portman as Jane? No thanks.
@@TheRaulleal76 Buddy, with Taika Waititi you're getting more Jane anyway. And she's going to be Thor, pressumably.
@@TheRaulleal76 Honestly? She's a good actress, but given the materiel she got there's only so much one can do. I must admit she seems to be cursed with bad scripts though (*cough* Star Wars II *cough*)
I didn't see what was wrong with Thor: The Dark World
They should've increased the brightness.
The visual is one thing l like alot in this movie
Evrant It really was a dim lit movie.
Better than BVS lighting
It's because it's named dark world
@@bashengatheblackmanta7003 True, but
Thor: the -Dark- World doesn't roll off the tongue
Funny enouh, Christopher Eccelston is actually opened up about coming back to Marvel, mostly as a new character, and if he could, under Taika's direction.
HOLY CRAP FIRST LIKE
Idk I just saw your check and I flipped out lol
I would love to see that
If Gemma Chan gets cast into a new Marvel role after her previous one, can't see why not.
His role as Malekith is so forgettable that if he comes back to play a human or another alien (with prosthetic), nobody would have complained
Wow thats so unlike him hes usuallly quite picky with who he plays and hates returning to play roles
Captain Midnight grew up in a dark world
molded by it
Evan especially if he thinks dark world is better than the Incredible Hulk movie
Me too. It's called Eastern Europe.
@@slimfluw101 He was referring to the first Thor, which, in my opinion, is a fair argument.
I feel Thor 1 and 2 are bit harshly viewed these days. The first Thor story is GREAT but by today standards the visuals and dialogue are a bit bland. Thor 2, on the other hand is not as good, but has moments of emotion, unlike Captain Marvel. Thor 2 is like those forgettable episodes of a show: Not necessarily bad, just nothing stands out.
all marvels movies feel like bigger budget, spaced out episodes of a show.
But yeah, Dark World is pretty forgettable, with the bland style and dialogue from the first movie being exacerbated and with none of the redeeming qualities.
I really liked the first Thor, I thought the dialogue was quite elegant in places. Something I missed in later movies
The Dark World: *i sleep*
Ragnarok: *_THE REVOLUTION HAS BEGUN_*
Editor’s Note: I hadn’t watched The Dark World all the way through until editing this.
Not sure if I get paid enough for this lol
It’s just a bit boring for a mcu film and these production issues are certainly the cause of that.
IKR Thor Darkworld seems like it is cursed. I've tried watching it at least 3 times and each time I've wtached I quickly forget about it LOL
Didn't know Captain Midnight had an editor, never occurred to me I guess, I'll throw you a sub for your efforts of putting together all these scenes from marvel movies.
J Arnett I just help out now and again with his workload
He’s had a few videos exclusive on certain sites, so it’s not always just straight forward work weeks for him
Ahhhh...so you didn't watch it in the theater....so, you watched it for the specific reason of trying to find things wrong with it for your youtube video. That's why your view is tainted. Get a real job.
@@vf1rj371 Get a real job? So editing videos that entertain people is not a job of it's own? How about you try to edit a video and see for yourself how easy it is, by your logic entertainment industry shouldn't exist because it's not a "real job".
I didn’t mind the movie, the stuff with Loki was really enjoyable. IMO it’s better than the first one.
Yeah, I didn't really like the first one. It's honestly overrated. The very lieelt action sucked, frigga got no screentime (neither did heimdall) and the mcus destroyer was bland. The only parts I like were the parts with Anthony Hopkins. He carried the movie for me.
@@daragh9372 They're both on the same level, imo.
So basically reducing Ike Perlmutter's influence and dissolving the Marvel Creative Committee was the best thing Marvel Studios could've done.
Spoiled it for you: Marvel Studios fired Patty Jenkins...
I thought she left?
I mean, they had Vikings vs dark elves. And they thought it would be a good idea with them to fight with guns and grenades? Spaceships? It feels like a missed opportunity for a lord of the rings style battle.
They're super advanced alien races. It would be weird if they didn't have guns.
@@willh2690 It is weird that a super advanced society would settle for guns, instead of swords that cut open black holes or vessels that ride cosmic winds. Instead, we get Tony Stark's Space Wakanda.
@@commandercaptain4664 if they have the tech to make guns, why would they only make melee weapons that put the user in harm's way in order to use?
Will H it just doesn't match any aesthetic from either of their mythos. Just would've been better as a melee style battle in my opinion
I couldn't get the star wars prequels out of my head while watching it, even natalie Portman basically playing the same character again
I love Thor and Loki’s relationship, it’s one of the best relationships in the entire MCU. The movie needed more of that. I also really liked the final battle I thought it was very visually interesting.
I liked quite a few things about the movie, even if it ultimately didn’t quite land. The gravity defying truck and the portal stairwell were cool and those scenes were really atmospheric. The end battle was really fun and interesting despite the villain being bland just because of the concept of reality falling apart. Also Thor being awkward in London was just amusing to me. The coat hanger bit and Thor getting stuck on the Tube were great. Also almost everything with Loki was great and it was a relief to see him written well again after the bland take on him in The Avengers. (I'm actually surprised to hear both were written by Whedon, they feel so different to me.)
I do wish they'd have done more with Jane going to Asgard, that was such a waste. And turning her into a plot device for most of the movie... meh.
As for the villain, I couldn't care less. Sometimes the villain just isn't important.
that's the problem. It feels more like a loki movie than a thor one.
And the villain is always important to a story, that's why they have to be good.
Knowing the production history of the movie and how Endgame handled it, makes me appreciate Dark world a little more
I can’t believe they got the ninth doctor to be some mediocre elf villain
Should've been Thor vs. Drizzt Do'Urden.
If you look at all the outtakes. There are a shit ton of scenes that really add to the villain but they cut them out for the sake of more scenes with jane/darcy/Erik. Which was just a plain stupid decision imo.
He wasn't mediocre he was BAD, by far the worst villain in the MCU.
Which is a massive waste of a great talent.
I actually really liked the first 2 Thor movies. The color in Thor 2 is so good. Don't know why everyone hates this movie so much.
Me too
Way too many scenes with the 3 “scientist” humans totally ruined the movie, especially the finale
This is really interesting! When I saw it, I thought it was really weird because it felt like only the Loki scenes had been properly written. Almost as if someone had written most of the film, and a different person had written the Loki scenes. Now that I've heard what you had to say about how they re-worked the script and those scenes in particular... It all makes sense!
they really underused natalie portman in the thor movies, especially this one, and then the fans just pile on her as if she's to blame
I concur. They did her no justice.
For some reason the gloomy/gritty look of Thor: The Dark World really doesn't work (at least for me). The Thor series is at its best when it leans into humor, and Ragnarok's colorful aesthetic serves that better.
But my biggest problem with The Dark World is that it never seems like the hero is given a real challenge.
I have the complete opposite opinion haha. I prefer this more serious take on the character and I think Ragnarok although great is way too humorous and plays this part of the MCU as a joke.
I think thor can work serious, but aesthetically it should always be colorful and hyper-sci fi, kinda like jack kirby's thor.
@@raven-nova275 I disagree, thought it had some very good writing, though it wasn't consistent.
Most new marvel movies are so much worse too, the new Dr. Strange or Thor Love and Thunder
@@raven-nova275 yeh it depends what you want out of a marvel movie.
Impressive action scenes, comic references, good humour, emotion...I personally don't care for action and references and like emotions and relationships, hence the new movies fall terribly flat for me.
How is your preference?
So I’m about to get A LOT of people raging mad at me but I think the problem I have with Dark World is in many respects it’s got the same problem as Captain Marvel:
I enjoy it in the moment of watching it but once it’s over I’ve completely forgotten everything I just watched
Whereas with the other MCU films there’s at least a couple things that stick with me after watching
Dark World got two things right: Thor/Loki family dynamic and the visuals. What has stuck with me the most all these years is the Dark Elf design/tech/culture. Sure, there are a lot of elf things, but the way this movie leaned into the sci-fantasy aspect and created this mythos was genuinely fascinating. It seems to be one thing that carried over into Thor 3 via Hela.
Will D. Skies ya that I will admit is what it gets right
It really just comes down to how the film was executed I suppose
That's exactly how I feel about it.
At least Captain Marvel had Ben Mendelohn and Jude Law who was obviously having fun. Dark World didn’t even have that.
@@archer1949 Imagine Mikkelsen in the role..
THOR: I am Thor!
MALEKITH: Sore?
THOR: Thor!
MALEKITH: Perhaps... but who am I to judge?
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This is my least favorite MCU movie. Should have spent less time with the Fosters and developed the Asgard characters more, then I would care more about what's going on.
I loved the first Thor and the character since the first one, Dark World tho I don't agree that "it failed", it's just pretty bland and wasted Thor's arc. Now Jenkins' script as you described it seemed to be anything but that adjective with more development for Jane (yes, love stories can work in superhero movies if handled properly) and more focus on Thor and Odin's complicated relationship.
Branagh's Thor is the most underrated MCU film in my opinion. Laid the groundwork for wackier properties like Guardians and Aquaman by taking the source material seriously whilst at the same time embracing the silly aspects.
@@benw4409 Yes! Thank you I'm glad there are people out there who still value the first Thor.
Hey man same the first thor is a severely underrated movie. I love it to death, it's such a great story and the character development in that movie, my god, it's so great. From thor turning from an arrogant warrior to a humble, caring hero and loki turning from just a trickster who stuck to the shadows to the sympathetic villain we know today. The relationship between odin, thor, and loki are great and the the warriors three and lady sif were all great. Thor vs the destroyer is still awesome as hell to watch. I can go on and on lmao. Everything was set up very nicely after thor 1 and the avengers for thor to have a kick ass trilogy but then dark world came along and ruined it and I feel that one of the many reasons why is because they kinda left thor in a slump tbh he has no real arc in this movie. Loki is probably the only one with an arc from becoming a villain ti this anti hero but that's just it. Not to mention the story and action and villain were lackluster. Imo thor 1 is the best movie of the trilogy and one of my all time favorite mcu movies🔥🔥🔥
As someone who actually enjoys Dark World for being a by-the-numbers superhero movie, I want to say thank you for making such a fair and positive video. I was afraid there would be a lot of trash talk (like any other time this movie is the subject of discussion).
Despite what the majority of people say, I like this movie. It's not perfect by any means but, I think it has merit. Thanks for this video ❤
Ikr, especially the sequence where thor and Loki escape form asgard. That's a great sequence and so underrated
Even though the movie does indeed have some really great scenes. I still think it's the worse in the mcu.
Everything before the climax is great. That attack on Asgard and funeral scene are just incredible
@@AndreNitroX yes!
@@AndreNitroX agreed, the film could've been even better had they just cut out the humans (except jane). And if they made the final battle not take place on earth it would've been better imo
Loki's character development was good!
Maybe I'm in the minority but I actually didn't mind Thor: The Dark World. It's not my favorite MCU movie by any means but I don't think it was THAT bad. At the time we hadn't got to see that much of Asgard's society and culture. This movie allowed to see more of that, which I thought was cool. I know Hemsworth didn't like the darker, less comical Thor character but some people do like that. It helps give the feel that Thor is really powerful and people want to see that power be unleashed.
I agree, I liked it. like you said it's not my favorite out of the entire MCU but i would watch it over again. I honestly think Chris did better in Thor: Ragnorok acting wise. in this movie he was great as Thor, but, i always felt like Tom Hiddleston just does better Drama than Chris. Idk i liked it, it's not my favorite but it's not my least favorite either.
@Jean Oh Hahaha good one..
@@natalieybarra5207 Chris did better acting-wise in Ragnarok because he's very funny and has a great sense of humor. However, as funny as Ragnarok was, I didn't like what they did to Thor in it. They turned him into a complete buffoon and he was the butt of the joke 90% of the time. I liked the gravitas and the seriousness of Thor 2. I wish it had been handled better so that we could have gotten more of that instead of Thor: The Comedy Hour.
@@misspriss2482 i agree with you. Acting wise he did better and was more comfortable in Thor: Ragnorok but like you said Thor was a buffoon in that movie. it's not one i would watch over and over again. I still like it better than Dr. Strange, Guardians of the Galaxy 2, etc.
@@natalieybarra5207 I love dr strange. One of my favorite MCU movies.
At the very least, can we all admit that the sets and costumes are absolutely stunning? Please?
And the visuals. Those are all great, I have to admit and Loki is awesome
I dunno. They look to gloomy and gritty, not very magical and futuristic. But I do like thor's suit.
Thor should have always been a more serious mythology based series and Dark World ruined that potential
Marvel's crackish proclivity to science the shit out of everything ruined it.
There are so many times I see people criticizing Thor: The Dark World, and they're super aggresive about the storyline, rather then what's behind the film. I'm very happy that you actually went into the direction of the film, and the honest actor's experiences, versus throwing under the rug at first sight. Also, the whole Thor franchise together, makes me really love the first two, mainly because of Ragnarok. Jane Foster's _Mighty Thor_ , will certainly make Love and Thunder, something special. Everyone say thank you Taika 😅🥰🙌🏼
this did not age well.
Not at all, taika should have left it at one film
I never watched the Thor movies as they came out, I watched them later & out of sequence. That said, I actually saw “Dark World” first, and it gave me a favorable impression of the Thor movies. For me, I thought it was a solid movie and visually stunning. I rank Dark World 2nd place, closely behind Ragnarok.
I enjoy the film (although it is the weakest MCU film) but wasting Christopher Eccleston is by far the biggest issue with it for me. Could you not give him SOMETHING to work with?
Need more daleks
Honestly, I enjoyed Thor: the Dark World more than Captain Marvel!! It has more action scenes and stakes IMO!!
I enjoyed justice league more than Captain Marvel, actually I probably enjoyed Man Thing more than Captain Woke.
I liked Thor: The Dark world more than i liked Doctor Strange, Captain Marvel, and Ant Man and the Wasp.
I only liked Thor's fight with Malekith, it made Thor feel very Supermany and that was really cool
What went wrong with Thor the Dark World.
Answer: It's boring
My problem in general with the MCU Thor is that it skews too far into sci-fi territory, justifying its magitech (™ pending) as an excuse to have starships and pewpew lasers. When the Valkyries rode their pegasi into battle, I felt as if I was waiting to exhale, as if to say "Finally, some friggin' flying horses for once!".
@@commandercaptain4664 Is that the plural for Pegasus??
@@commandercaptain4664 Oh and good point btw.
Dude your b-roll footage is amazing 😂 @5:30
Rofl, Patty Jenkins. Dodged a bullet there. Not surprised Portman supported her at all.
This movie was just doomed from go.
Personally, I liked The Dark World. Was it underwhelming, even a little silly? Yes. But I genuinely liked Malekith and the Dark Elves. Getting to see a little of Asgard's history. And getting to see another Infinity Stone. Over all... It was another chapter in the over all saga. Kept the story going. I accept it on those merits.
Watching this after WW1984 is really interesting coz it provides really good examples of Patti Jenkins career in movies when she's 1) not trusted enough to do things her way (thor: dark world), 2) given too much free reign (ww84), and 3) given enough trust to do things her way but not total free reign (Wonder Woman).
There was no chemistry with Jane and Thor. They could have cast her better or made her a better character. Kat Dennings stole all her thunder.
Thor The Dark World was not that bad, people just love to hate on it. It had some awesome visuals of Asgard and some awesome Loki moments
Eh it’s not bad but it’s definitely not good
Idk chief, I just watched it for the first time and it’s pretty abysmal. Basically has no plot, wastes Eccleston on a one-dimensional villain with no discernible motivation or personality, awful writing, bad editing, bad pacing, the romance doesn’t work, etc..... The only redeeming qualities were the beautiful cinematography and the Loki scenes. Watching the movie made me actively pissed, especially given how much I enjoyed Thor 1. All the heart was just gone and it was so clear how miserable everyone involved was.
Great video!
the loki stuff in the dark world is really great and had it not been there then the loki stuff in thor 3 and infinity war would have fell pretty flat.
My mother died a little before The Dark World released so I really empathized with Thor's loss in that movie. And My brother died a little before infinity war. So yeah. Lots of empathy for Thor. I'm probably the only person who likes it!
At least it was referenced in Avengers: Endgame. But most people will remember it as Thor 2: The second Thor movie.
Thor 2 would be REALLY good if out of nowhere, Fat Thor and a talking raccoon came into the movie and out with no explanation or impact on the plot
Thor: The Dark Thor
i like TDW only specifically and exclusively because of the loki content
Given the choice between these two timelines I chose #1 without hesitation.
1. Thor 2: The Dark Thor + Thor: Ragnarok + Wonder Woman
2. Thor 2: Thoreo & Jane, no Ragnorok, no Wonder Woman
I thought The Dark World was pretty entertaining, but I remember feeling like something was missing. My favorite part was the Dark Elves' spaceships. xD It's really sad that no one had fun making it though. But Thor: Ragnarok really was much much worse. At least The Dark World felt like a Thor movie. Thor: Ragnarok felt more like a dumb comedy with Thor and the Hulk that was in the wrong setting.
I think you have some solid points. I will say though Chris Hemsworth stepped up his acting game IMO in Thor Ragnarok. I did focus on him throughout the entire movie which is good. The movie Thor was good, both Chris and Tom were great in it, but i do feel like Tom did better acting wise in the first two movies. maybe it's just because Tom does better drama than comedy and Chris does better comedy than drama? idk but they all lacked a little something to give them that extra umph. I will say that even though the first two movies were a little darker tones, i can re-watch them over and over. I just don't have that same feeling for Thor: Ragnarok.
This was intresting for me, I loved the comics this ripped from, I should have been disspointed by no Beta Ray Bill etc.. But... I didn't expect to much from my super hero movies back then . I liked this movie. Loki was awesome.
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so informative!
I liked it. I liked the design and it had so
W good beats. I’d like to see an expanded movie with Bor ...
Patty Jenkins creative control on WW84 I think shows us that marvel dodged a bullet letting her go from the project.
I enjoyed the film a lot. I think it was really good. But for me every time Jane/Erik/Darcy had any form of screen presence. It just killed the overall feeling and just detracted from the film.
One of the reasons ragnarok is so much better imo is the lack of the pointless humans. (Minus Bruce ofc. But not sure he truly qualifies as human.)
I actually kind of found this one enjoyable because I liked the family conflict and (even though most didn’t like it, I guess) I actually liked the romance subplot with Jane and Thor (modern MCU Marvel tends to disappoint me at romance in general but I kind of liked Jane and Thor) Yet I really hated Ragnarok for having every character have the same sassy line delivery and disinterested personality and the irreverent sense of not caring about the other movies made me really hate it.
I love Jane and Thor! I’m so sad to learn that we were deprived of a better developed romance under patty jenkins.
Same about Ragnarok, you can tell taika didn't care for the backstory of these characters
I really enjoyed the fact it tried to explore the MCU's take on norse mythology and the other realms, it was honestly the most Thor Thor has ever been for me in the entire filmography
I personally don't really like it. Its too gloomy and gritty, and the realms aren't properly explored.
Thor ragnarok and love and thunder leans better into that.
If Feige had the time machine from Endgame he would probably prevent this movie from happening😂
BSJ IN YO HOUSE wait wasn’t this movie required for end game
Did you not see how end game time travel worked?
If Feigie had time travel machine he would go back in time and prevent Christ Hemsworth from dyeing his eyebrows for the first Thor movie. And, yes, he actually said that.
Unpopular opinion but I loved Thor: The Dark World.
Not unpopular. Rotten Tomatoes has it at 67% for critics and 76% for audiences. Lower than most MCU films, but still very good numbers. It's just a certain segment of the internet that continues to insist it was a terrible film. Often to get you to click on their videos.
I like it too
I love Dark World too!!!
I realized that Thor 1 was more of a family drama, and it works on that level, except that Loki is so serious and while scheming, not so mischievous. It was great character work, but Loki was not FUN like he is in other films. I think it's a good film on that level. As a superhero and action film, it's a little weak, but I dont care.
It should also be noted that Malekith barely had any development as a villain since his introduction in the comics til that movie came out. Even Walt Simonson who created the guy, quickly moves to Surtur in his acclaimed Thor run. If this movie was made after Jason Aaron's run and War of the Realms, we might have actually gotten a good movie, Aaron did the best job with the character imo.
I liked Thor the dark world at least the stuff with Loki and Thor
They honestly should have leaned more into the paranormal investigation elements while still having comedic moments. It could've been the Gravity Falls of the MCU.
I wish they did. I would have stuck around if it was the Gravity Falls of the MCU.
I feel like the only reason I'm glad they did what they did, is because if Thor 2 was good, we probably would have had two good Patty Jenkins movies, and we probably would have never had Taika Directing Thor Ragnorak. It's hard to know how much you would have liked something that doesn't exist, but I know I love Ragnorak. I'm glad Marvel learned their lesson though from that.
Still got nice memorys about it. Was the first mcu movie I watched in cinema.
I don't know if everyone in the movie was bored while making it. I don't think Tom Hiddleston was. He seemed to be having fun, which is why he's so enjoyable to watch. He never disses any project he's been in, which I appreciate. I mean, I usually like it when people are honest, but still, I find it a little disappointing when actors take a big paycheck for a movie, and then start talking shit about it. If they thought their role sucked, couldn't they turn it down, or else, try to work with the directors/writers to make it better? I'm pretty sure one of the reasons why Loki is such a great character, is that Hiddleston, in spite of his classical training, is not a snob, and he truly takes the role seriously and gives it everything he has. I am certain that much of Loki's complexity came from him, not just the directors and writers. So when the others whine about how horrible and boring their characters were... I don't know, I kind of feel like they could have done the same as he did.
I feel like I'm the only one who thinks Thor: The Dark World is better than The original Thor lol.
NO YOU'RE NOT! I thought it was pretty decent too. The first Thor was really boring to me, but this one held my attention a lot better
The first Thor movie is almost unwatchable for me. I think the second is better by far.
That's because it's much more focused on Loki. Ppl only remember the first one because of Thor hanging out on Earth and making memes, even though I'd say the first one's story is definitely better because at least there's something, Thor becoming humble and Loki wanting to prove he's worthy as well. What does the second one have? Loki's revenge? Malekith's juice? Jane's intern's intern? Did they forget whose name is in the title?
the score for the first thor was a lot better than the one for the second tho
I’d have watched the third one just for the director. Eagle VS Shark is a lovely little film I’ve watched many times since renting it at Blockbuster, so it’s been a long time getting the guy a big film or two. Proud of him. Proud of all of us, if I’m honest. That’s my fave Thor next to Wilson Fisk in Adventures in Babysitting. Proud of him as well.
Loki and Kat dennings were the best things in that movie. And stellen skarsgard was very funny.
What went wrong is that they didn't allow Petty Jenkins to direct it greatly like she did with Wonder Woman
Even if Thor 1 is a by-the-numbers movie, it is such a fun watch. It's a quick watch, fast paced, and the fish out of water story really let Hemsworth spread his comedy wings and was fantastic in it. Definitely my top Thor movie. And lets talk about the score- it is some next level shit. So good.
I honestly sort of liked the film when I saw it on my birthday back in 2014.
It was a pretty unique theater experience for me, as I went with a friend I'd never really hung out with that like before. And then he pulls entire pizza slices in ziploc bags out of his jacket pockets. I didn't even know you could smuggle that well.
You should do a follow-up.
What Went Wrong With Iron Man 2 & 3
I actually enjoyed Dark World. Sure, it's not the best MCU film but it has some good moments, like Dr Selvig running naked at Stonehenge, Thor hanging his hammer in the coat hook, and the impressive portal battle in London.
TDW, for me personally, wasn't far off from being really good. I also think it's not as bad as people say, although it's not the best. As for Patty, after seeing WW84, I'm glad she was taken off this project because I don't trust her at all. Her, JJ, Rian Johnson, Espinosa, should never be allowed near a movie production again.
Dark world may not have been as popular as other Marvel movies but when it came to Endgame, it really did help.
Thor and The Dark World are the two marvel films closer to the comics, where Thor is operatic, over the top, cosmic. Seems that they came to the conclusion that audiences don't like that kind of story nowadays.
I think The Dark World was meant to be what Ragnarok did to the franchise: a space adventure across the Nine Realms. However, the first Thor set the tone for the rest of the franchise to go. Instead of improving the flaws of the first Thor film, The Dark World doubles it down, and it's still surprisingly good and enjoyable. The only thing that's missing aside from the continuation from the first film is the chilling villains left behind by Colm Foere and Tom Hiddleston.
The film DID at least introduced two aspects that will be felt for the rest of the franchise: introducing competent and strong henchmen, and turning villains into heroes. Algrim / Kurse, despite minimal screentime, overshadowed Malekith for most of time, and did exactly what the plot needed him to do. Loki, whose redemption arc will be complete by the time Ragnarok is released, is turned into a good guy in the film's second act (until the film's final scene), setting the stage for other films to follow suit.
Nothing wrong with Thor the Dark Knight. I like that movie.
The films so boring the dude who liked it forgot the name
"The distant faraway year of 2011"
Wow, that made me feel old
Thor 2 is like Dragonball evolution. Absolute shit that lead to something great.
I went to see this movie at my local theater and during the prison break scene where they get Loki out, the power went out in the theater right when Thor was about to strike something with his hammer. After a few hours of being stuck in the AMC theater bathroom me and my friends left the theater and apparently the power went out due to a tornado that basically leveled every surrounding building and just missed the theater and put a telephone pole though my friend's parent's car. Overall 5/10 movie
7:31 wait I had no idea it was that doctor who actor who played Malikif.
Can you imagine Mads’ quiet intensity in Malekith? I would have loved to see that.
Hmmm i love to see him eat thor🙂
I had no idea about the once planned emphasis on Thor and Jane's relationship. For my 2 cents, I agree that this should have been the heart of the movie. It could have been amazing!
I didn't like TDW doubling down on the "magic=science" angle. Glad that more recent movies brought the magic back
Just watched it again - seems fine to me.
The two things I really liked about this movie was the injection of a shit load of history into the MCU and I love the color palette and overall cinematography by Kramer Morgenthau especially on Svartalfheim. They make that planet and all those scenes on it just so cool. 😎