The fact that ERA isn't modeled correctly to explode makes a lot of sense and explains why TOW2A missiles, which have warheads specifically designed to defeat ERA often fail to defeat ERA. It would have been nice to have a demonstration and comparison with western and Russian ERA to prove your Russian bias point though.
The point is less to specifically prove bias and more look at areas that disproportionately benefit Russian made vehicles. I'm not convinced the issues with ERA modelling isn't just engine limitations tbh
@@semicooperative7188 it's not a engine limitation though, it's just lazy coding "if ERA.hit() == true && ERA.hit().projectile().caliber() >= 30 mm { projectile.reduce_pen(300 mm); ERA.explode(); }" that more or less would be enough to fix the issue
@@tirushone6446 now take into account AOA, ammo type, ERA maximum effective angle, round velocity, round calliber, number of ERA blocks hit, etc. It becomes a massive calculation that has to be run every time an ERA block is hit which will slow the server down with 5-6 blocks being hit per round and 2-4 rounds fired per second at peak game activity. Also side note you cant check for a function being true or compare it to a value that can only be done with the returned value of a function.
@@sychro_1122 first it's sudo, second, no the calculations are trivial, every time a shell pens a tank 30 + spall fragments are generated and they need to be ray traced, plus every phyisic object in the game is also needs to be ray traced against it''s suroundings to find collisons, amung other things. That is way more computation work then the extended model you proposed, which is it self more then what I proposed as an example, which is in turn still trivial compared to everything else the server is doing. And assides from all that I was just referring to the issue of era acting as a magic amour force feild until it is destoryed.
That is true until you take into account that Relik is also efective against tandem warheads. There are also other kinds of ERA that also work agaisnt tandem warheads
I do find it funny how on vehicles like the Leclerc AZUR to gaijin it supposedly has these giant panels of era that provide nearly no benefit over even some of the smaller tiles like contact 1
@@elkrumb9159 was era like that prior? I started playing warthunder like a year before volumetric and never got to any vehicles that had era prior to volumetric
Because Western ERA is designed to primarily stop shaped charged munitions, as that's the biggest threat they've had to face in real conflicts. Russian ERA is often a ''cheaper'' solution to upgrading the base armor of a tank. Therefore they've designed ERA to stop both kinetic and shaped charged munitions. It's not as simple as ''ERA bigger and thicker, therefore better''
The annoying thing is Nato doesn't add any benefits just extra weight. Challenger 2F/TES/OEF era is like 5000kg and still doesn't stop anything. T72B3/T80BVM era only 1000kg but just eats rounds. I play all nations and have everything in top tier would just like to see better balance M1A2 v2 Sep ERA is Shit and you can't take it off.
You're crazy if you think a western 2ft wide block of ERA and Composite armour would stop a RPG-7 from the 60s. That's 30mm of KE and 400mm of Chemical for you. Oh, and that massive slab of Chobham on the LFP? Sounds awfully like 30mm KE and 400mm chemical to me.
@@SquareHotShot have you every fought a t-series? if you hit ERA, the APFSDS just vanishes. This isn't a skill issue, I've had DM53 hit ERA on a t72 on the side and it just vanishes. ERA is not effective at stopping APFSDS, it should not be possible for it to absorb on of the best rounds in the game.
@@bokoblinlogic1619 yes i have i have pretty much all countries in this gam in top tier ground and that hsa only happend to me 2 times u just have to know how to aim
I put a DM53 out of an L55 into the dead center side of a T-80BVM from about 20m at a 90 degree angle recently and he just turned without stopping and one tapped me. I could not believe it. I mean we get used to these things but they do need some attention.
Tried this out in protection analysis with my spaded T-80 BVM. Dead Center Leopard 2a6 DM53 L/55 cannon. autoloader gets knocked out. as one shell remains in the barrel and the turret ring isn't killed he can turn his turrent and kill you. Skill issue.
@@momokalover283 cool story bro. We've got $300 drones knocking T series turrets two hundred feet into the air in Ukraine due to the ammo going off. But a long rod DM53 dart going directly through the ammo does nothing. That's my point. Not very realistic.
@@momokalover283if your still using the protection analysis to prove this stuff you haven’t used warthunder long enough. It is not an accurate example of how it works in game, there’s no ping or variables in protection analysis and the results in pa never reflect the gameplay
Every time I get screwed by a Russian tank for no reason, I come back and watch this. (I just bounced a 128 on a T-34's hull and turret ring and an IS-2's coupola. I almost uninstalled.)
Also as someone who love huge caliber cannons with HE. Im pretty sure the hitbox of the top armor for RU tanks are smaller than the actual texture by a LOT.
I would be ok with Relikt in game if Russian vehicles that get it wouldn't have it come as a stock addition to the tank. Some of them have the ability to mount "extra" ERA already, and it would make more sense to have the ERA be a researchable modification altogether.
eh.... problem is with russian tanks they just strap ERA to outdated hulls, if era as a whole was a researchable modification it would gut the stock grind more then it already is, doesnt make much sense to add it, imagine having a t80bvm at top tier but without any of the ERA so its literally just a 10.3 t-80B stock
wdym its a problem that it comes as stock. Thats what the tank model does. its not a T80BVM if it doesn't have the ERA. A T72B3 is just a T72 without the era and thats a 9.7 vehicle.
@@irirjhrhr4645 No fucking shit but the tanks also come out of the factory with newer ammo and laser rangefinders but we still have to research it. Dumbass take
Lately I've started seeing BTR-80s pop up in my tier (I'm up to a Pershing), and while I don't have experience fighting the more modern MBTs, I will relay something that just happened today. I came across a BTR-80 parked in an open space in a town. I was perpendicular to it. Didn't see me coming. Slowed down, lined up, and shot it right in the side, more or less between where the driver and gunner would sit with a 90mm round. Probably a distance of 30m. Zilch. Not only did it start moving after this, it started firing. I lit it up with machine guns as well, which had no effect. I then shot it again, and it again did nothing to it. All of my weapons get knocked out and I'm only saved by another tank appearing behind it. The fact that an APC with less than a fraction of the armour thickness my rounds can go through can just withstand that kind of punishment is a shocking example of this faction's OP nature. They just take hit after hit that should destroy, disable, or knock the crew. I've lost crew and gun components, even an entire tank, to a shot on a drive sprocket or idler wheel. Shoot their turret point blank and its like nothing ever happened. Especially laughable when its a T-34, given the effectiveness of such tanks against Pershings in reality in Korea. I even shot an SU-100Y at point blank in its ammo storage. Twice. The animation even showing the round and debris flying through the shells inside it, and it did not catastrophically explode. The exposed crew sat there and eat .50cal ammo and kept operating as normal.
Yh, hi just some constructive feedback, ive fallen for that problem, there is an empty space between the gunner and driver, so nothing to hit there. If you want to get them easily, shoot right below the turret, the ammo for the autocannon is rly Massive and you will most likely one shot. They do have a mean autocannon tho lol
@@gentlefush8020 I hit it a second time, though, basically shooting it from front to back after it changed position. EDIT: To expand on this, I engaged another BTR with an M56 firing HEAT rounds. First shot I put directly under the gun. Nothing. Second shot I once more fired down the length of the vehicle from the front. Nothing. In a later match I'm driving an M109A1. I spot a BMP-1. Fire at it. A BMP-1 manages to take a 155mm artillery shell to the hull without any effect whatsoever. Meanwhile, a single 30mm round from the BTR instantly knocks my track and completely kills my engine. Russian bias indeed.
@@foabmoab hmm, I don’t really have an explanation for that, seems that the game is just trolling you with really bad spalling. May the snail be with you o7
All one needs to do is what Ukraine war films in ultra high definition; and witness how well ERA is working out. Also in tank on tank combat the 125 is punching through the front slopes of Russian tanks.
About the ERA, notice how only russian ERA retain their full potential when put on the side of their tanks. Look at the ERA on the sides of the ztz-99a, same FY-4 but only 5% the original value while in russia, side ERA are the same as the front
Isn’t Ukrainian ERA on the BM OPlot shown to be massively effective via the fact it’s multiple ERA stacked upon one another? If that didn’t work, they wouldn’t use it right? I don’t know, I think we are skipping over tons of things without sources/explanation. Further more it’s angled to slice APFSDS, and HEAT charges… You said angled ERA doesn’t work… This goes against everything we’ve seen from NATO, and the Eastern Bloc nations… If ERA truly was less effective while angled we’d see squared off ERA mounts for Russian and NATO tanks where they’d look like rectangles. But they don’t. The BM Oplot is a great example because it’s one of the most well protected tanks out there. Yatagan beating it out. As far as the west maybe the Leopard 2A7. But east? If we exclude the T-14 or make it raw protection? The Oplot WINS. None of what you said would make sense. If it did, no MBT would look like, or be the way they are. There would be no Kontact 5, no Relikt, no Duplet , no Malachite, no ARAT 2, FYIV, etc. Either I’m confused, or there are some massive mis assumptions/over simplifications in this video. I’m not sure. But pls explain thoroughly, because it isn’t tracking for me at least based on what we’ve seen.
I must add that, what’s being said didn’t line up in simulations of armor vs APFSDS either… Computer simulations aren’t 100% and don’t account for production imperfections, etc. But that’s more understandable than the words being spoken. So idk. Simulations if even normal Ukrainian Nozh ERA degrades APFSDS a good bit, I’m tempted to say they have the BEST ERA (that I know of). I’d like a Ukrainian Tech Tree just for that reason 😂. So when it’s being said that ERA at angles is “less effective” / “wouldn’t do much”. Or “can’t be stacked upon another” is just really odd, and throws me off entirely based on what I’ve seen in simulations, FIELD TESTING, and reports by manufacturers worldwide. It makes sense in the real world to have a lighter tank with addon armor that can take maybe one hit to a specific area as you don’t want to be getting hit multiple times to begin with. The likelyhood a shot comes to the same exact spot is low too. Aiming for small weakspots is a videogame thing.
I’m not sure exactly where he said that angled ERA doesn’t work, he did say extremely steep ERA shouldn’t work as good as it does (which is correct). The Relikt ERA bags should not be performing at 90 degrees (and the same goes for every other type of ERA, which should not work at 90 degrees).
Yeah I think you nailed it on the end, purely engine limitation on how it should function, it’s hard to code especially on a game like WT, I would love to see ERA reworked
If Im right, most modern NATO rounds, are designed around defeating russian ERA, In which most darts can go right through, Look at Ukraine as an example.
HEAT. Uses plasticity and pressure to make a really really hard fluid out of the copper. The extreme environment the copper is in makes it really high pen in a TIG/MIG like environment. In fact think of HEAT as a really really REALLY angry TIG/MIG welding, with a 10km/s feed rate. For laymans.
ERA does provide a lot of protection in real life, especially modern ERA with dual plates being effective against APFSDS. In some places war thunder fails to model the functionality of ERA correctly but aside from a few instances of it overperforming (ERA needs to be less effective at a flat angle, Nearly all of the protection of dual plate ERA relies on increasing the amount of material in the way of a penetrator, angle is necessary for this) IMO its a passable representation. I also think that the overperformance is more of a modeling error on ERA itself than intentional Russian bias. Outside of the soviet tree, ERA is not nearly as common; thus most of the bullshit happens when dealing with Russian vehicles (not to mention the fact that Russia has such a large top tier lineup). If they fixed the angle issue, ERA would be a lot more fair than it is right now; I would say balanced. Yes, WT cannot simulate it realistically, but it needs to be effective in WT because in real life ERA represents an incredible increase in protection over plain armor. I think that the idea of an 'ERA resistance' stat for projectiles could definitely do a lot as well, but to me the most optimal solution seems to be to both fix the angle problem and to improve the game engine itself-something WT desperately needs anyways. IMO there is plenty of more crucial bullshit that counts for Russian bias. I would love to see more videos in this series!
HEAT (High Explosive Anti Tank) is a general category of anti-armor weapons that use the focused energy of high explosives (per the Monroe effect) to create a metal projectile capable of penetrating armor. - A subclass, the EFP (Which is used in several modern HEAT weapons) creates a more solid metal penetrator allowing it to fly longer distances while retaining coherency and, this effectiveness. - Admittedly, I did oversimplify it in the video as all EFPs are HEAT, but not all HEAT weapons use an EFP, but it wasn't really the focus of the video.
just started watching so maybe you will mention it. but up until the update that added spall liners... High hardness rolled armor generate little to no secondary spall. guess what the armor that protects the ammo rack of the T series MBTs is made of? HHRA. On top of ERA on the sides eating a lot of the shots energy. HHRA is singlehandedly the reason for them surviving so well for so long. Obviously this doesn't even go into how K5 and Relict on the front of the tank protect the Russian MBTs from the initial penetrating shot. its essentially a jail out of free card. Kudos to the Russians for creating KERA but in game that almost always concludes in the Russians getting the upper hand if the opponent does not shoot them in 1 of two front weakspots. one of both of which result in the HHRA of the turret bustle being hit and generating no spall. this is why you can shoot a T80 in the LFP and the round goes clean through the entire length of the tank without damaging anything but the engine and killing the driver.
Are you referring to the armor that houses the ERA blocks? Beacause I checked and those are the only things made of HHRA. And even on the T-90M, the armored belt around the carousel is made of simple RHA. Anyway, love your vids bro
@@goliath3413 the inside turret bustle is surrounded by HHRA. It was evident from the lack of secondary spalling, and when you free camera inside with armor viewer on
8:00 there are no APFSDS with actual counters to heavy ERA in War Thunder. People have been trying to claim that DM53 does but that's not really the case
8:30 M829A3 just has a steel tip. Simulations show that this may assist with K5 somewhat but wouldn't affect Relikt, the main ERA of Russian top tier. See Dejmian XYZ's youtube for his sims on the subject
By how it's presented in the video, it seems like you're saying that "light" ERA effects shaped charges simply by exploding. All types of ERA have flyer plates, even "light" ones (with some rare exceptions like Duplet), with the difference being the thickness of the plates.
Incorporating high tech post war vehicles and weapons should never have occurred because the game engine and general game design, including maps, is incapable of supporting them realistically.
In air battles for prop planes the American planes are heavily underpowered, despite having “speed” it feels like Russian planes and sometimes German ones outclass American props almost 10 to 1, higher tier Russian jets have op missiles and they’re absolutely broken at any rating
In general there are wonky things (like ERA and RNG involved in ricochets) that benefit some vehicles per nation at some brs. Russia is unique in that disproportionately many Russian vehicles benefit from most of the RNG and jank at every br. Until recently, top tier vehicles used to start with HEAT rounds and you had to grind to get a rod, while Russian top tier vehicles are disproportionately covered in ERA. Curious.
You guys need to realize that there is no "Russian bias" the game is fuckey and has bugs/glitches everywhere. ERA is not modeled properly so it just counts as extra armor/ERA. volumetric causes a lot of the problems not with just Russian tanks US tanks German tanks and every tank in the game. you guys need to stop making "Russian Bias" a thing and start telling Gaijin to fix volumetric and the ERA models.
Maybe make Gaijin accept official unclassified documents from western governments and fix the weapons mentioned in those documents accordingly instead of rejecting them and state it is not trustworthy? I'm still waiting for the Bradley's launcher to be able to deploy on the move since its manual stated that it can do that, it's just not recommended to do it and not recommended to do something does not equal to not being able to do something
@@burnedbacon3989 yep and there are many such examples All the while there was the drama with the t90m getting spall liner on some place becose of a youtube video of the t90ms(with the video being before the t90m got into full production)
I dont understand how this is bias while there is a gigantic US "bias" in top tier air. I mean, russian top tier aircraft are straight up openly and shamelessly nerfed into the dirt. There are definitely problems, but arguing that its due to bias based on patriotism or some other stupid shit is just dumb.
what do you mean in 2:50? From what I get you saaying ERA cannot stack or normal armor? I mean I'm asking that because we have ERA that is Stacked by design, named Ukranian duplet, now we don't know how well that works but its the thinking
My hot take: there is no nation defining bias of any kind but rather an overreliance on badly modeled and implemented mechanics/systems. When russian ammo doesnt detonate when struck everyone looses their mind but then a Leopard or godforbid an Abrams does the same noone bats an eye, further more - good crews can survive fuel tank detonation in the fighting compartment and still be able to operate the tank so don't be surprised when shooting the lower plate on an T-80 You only take out the driver, set the tank of fire, maybe get a mobility kill and then die because the guy shot You
the difference on one part of your argument is that T-series uses auto-loaders, which do not have blowout panels and when detonated, pop the turret off the tank. Leo's and Abrams are hand loaded, and their ammo is kept in a spot with blowout panels, which when the ammo is detonated they "blow out" the top of the turret, causing little to no crew damage. The reason this doesn't kill the tank is because in war thunder, you only die when your crew cannot operate the tank. When it says "Ammunition exploded" it is really just your crew dying because of the ammo, same thing with the fuel tanks exploding.
this is exactly what happens. the only bias here is the confirmation bias. btw, ammo not detonating (blowout panel protected excuded) happens for one 2 reasons: 1, the tank has 2 piece ammo (like the soviet MBTs) 2, the ammo is not modelled piece by piece, but by a whole rack, or bulks of a few (like Tiger II ammo modelled in bulks of 2) ammo not detonating happens 99.99999999999999999999% of the times to these. i have seen to this point 3 cases where single piece individually modelled ammo blacked out (2 times on AMX-10 RC and once on M-51) it is a bug in the game and not bias.
Thank god someone who agrees. I main Japan so I’m often switched between both sides in games, but I definitely struggle killing Abrams and Leopards consistently as compared to Russian tanks like the BVM and T90M. They have perhaps the largest weak spots on the lower glacis and typically die on the first shot when aiming there. I have played for years and have yet to see the “Russian Bias” people keep screaming about. Russian tanks pop the easiest imo 😅
@@cleverlaziness exactly. most good players know there is no bias because they don't have skill issue, unlike the ones that scream bias. they are claiming bias for years now, and they are yet to give a single evidence for it. all they have is a massive skill issue and confirmation bias.
I will also add the mentality difference in teams. Team blue often gives up easily, have 0 awarness and play for kills. meanwhile red team does teamwork and has better awarness (on average from my experience). I learned to give up my expectations when playing with team blue cuz it will often lead to frustration and spouting things like "why can't you see him" ,"why can't you help me", "why are you shooting there", "why are you doing nothing" or the most one i come across: "Where is my team?"
Can agree with majority of the stuff except for these: 4:01 if what you say is true then anyone who ever used claymores would need their legs amputated, but they haven't. Its almost like backplates for directed explosives do something. Skipping shells off of Relikt (and such) will have better results than if it was direct. The devs said this themselves and simulations show it aswel. You're effectively increasing the angle at which the projectile impacts while at the same time applying counter force. This would lead to 'bouncing' AP shots off the sides at greater angles because by the time it comes into contact with the actual armor, the velocity is lost. Also you forgot that some vehicles do double stacks of heavy ERA on the front plates. Overall if they were to fix it, it would become a one shot thing (as it should) but it would increase the effective armor by maybe 30% than what it already was. It gains something and loses something so im in.
Claymores do have a rear danger area. It's smaller than the main frontal danger area and the main fragmentation is concentrated in the front, but you definitely don't want to be standing within about 5 meters behind one going off.
To address whether it would add or remove protection to strike ERA at an off angle, it heavily depends on the shell, the armor type and exactly how extreme the angle is. It's less a case of "the game is definitely wrong in every situation" but rather that it uses a very simplistic universal rule to represent an inherently complex set of physics which heavily benefits having ERA
@@MOTULCOW almost all cas is broken while russian fighters are all missle boats with no flight performance and their rwr's are not modeled to their fullest capabilities making them awfull aswell
@@pko6596 how about skill issue? Top tier USSR is the only nation with 20km Anti air and atgm, you can just take down enemy outside their missile range. Bvm and T90M is not the best mbt out there. But does German got any cas power? Is Sweden any good in terms of heli? Now guess which nation has it all? Su27’s radar isn’t that good in grb I get that, but imagine fighting it with Pantsir S1 down the ground and you don’t even know if he launched a missile. Like seriously, what more do you want?
@@pko6596 sorry if I sound too “excited”, but if you only look at top tier as of now, r27er is still very competitive. I agree that Russian bias doesn’t exist, but only if you talk solely about arb. Because if you talk about full lineup, top tier USSR is so much ahead of others
@@MOTULCOW yeah but at the same time they nerfed the hell out of russian planes in some cases without reason and then buff nato planes because why not (i'm an f-16 player btw) for example the f-16 is overperforming but in this case is because gaijin cannot model the plane correctly so they went with a random fix that made it overperform
I do thing there is Bias in this game but in a different way. 1. The only thing i can say was "Russian Bias" as all refeer is the Bakelite on some russian Props 2. Yes there is "Russian Bias" but this is more about some mecanics that gaijin do not add until a russian vehicle has it (amphibius vehicles, smoke granades, etc) and others that were added only to russian vehicles and take time to add to other nations even when they had it. 3. The other instance of "Russian Bias" was the fact they need to add a russian vehicle per update no mater what and with the old event system there was always a russian vehicle. (Germany and USA do not always get them) 4. Everything outside that is either "Premium Bias" (When they add overpowered premiums to waithing to players to buy them and then nerf them) wich happen in every nation (this is often agravated by they shitty BR system/balance algorithm) [We cannot forget the existance of planes like the xp-50 or the wyvern or tanks like the SAV.20.18.48 or the VIDAR. Obviusly there are Russian examples Su-11 and Mig-15Bis ISH and the 2s38 ], this also happen when they add a new vehicle (but not that often) but is a way to lure players to grind a new nation (Same with some event vehicles) 5. Everything else is confirmation BIAS caused by gaijin broken mecanics/bugs. ERA eating bullets [VOLUMETRICS/BAD CODE], Ammo not exploding [Not only a Toptier problem it happend in all BRs with a lot of vehicles outside russia, in the comments someone put an explanation], The IS series dont die to bombs [IDK what happen there lol], AIM-7 being bad [Skill issue/server issue, is a 50/50 sometimes is because you did an awfull launch other is because the hamster died, this also affect R-24 and R-27ER but because the R-27ER has the ability to relock the target you can save it]
so game engine limitations and simplified modelling is russian bias now. got it. i am looking forward to the next episodes of this series, because if they will be like this one, you will make a big fool out of yourself. there is no russian bias in the game. for 10 or so years people were screaming this, yet nobody could every give any kind of evidence, not even a small one. when they tried, it turned out to be their own skill issue and/or lack of game knowledge. (oh, let's just ignore the fact, that china has heavy ERA too)
Well most Russian “ERA” in Ukraine is just rubber blocks, which actually provide more protection than you think since rubber is literally NERA, but it is not nearly as effective as actual ERA
It definitely significantly affects gameplay, specifically with the poor modelling of heavy ERA (Kontact 5 and Relikt). The side of a Russian tanks hull shouldn't be able to eat M829A2 and take no damage
Hi love youre vid I completely agree to the things you talked about in the video. There are two things that whould also help the bias in my eyes. First is do you judge a tank by its design or how it was produced, this mainly effect ww2 Russia and late war Germany both countries especially at the end of war had production issues in steel quality (Russia treated too hot - > harder but often break at even lighter forces, germany not having alloys avaliable). Second is the problem of obscuring information russia tents to increase performance of their equipment while nato does the opposite saying there equipment can do less. This naturally leads to a Russian bias since the official sources say so, wich is understandable but frustrating. Sorry for any writing mistakes English isn't my first language and im dyslexic Thanks for reading this
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The fact that ERA isn't modeled correctly to explode makes a lot of sense and explains why TOW2A missiles, which have warheads specifically designed to defeat ERA often fail to defeat ERA.
It would have been nice to have a demonstration and comparison with western and Russian ERA to prove your Russian bias point though.
The point is less to specifically prove bias and more look at areas that disproportionately benefit Russian made vehicles. I'm not convinced the issues with ERA modelling isn't just engine limitations tbh
@@semicooperative7188 it's not a engine limitation though, it's just lazy coding
"if ERA.hit() == true && ERA.hit().projectile().caliber() >= 30 mm {
projectile.reduce_pen(300 mm);
ERA.explode();
}" that more or less would be enough to fix the issue
@@tirushone6446 now take into account AOA, ammo type, ERA maximum effective angle, round velocity, round calliber, number of ERA blocks hit, etc. It becomes a massive calculation that has to be run every time an ERA block is hit which will slow the server down with 5-6 blocks being hit per round and 2-4 rounds fired per second at peak game activity. Also side note you cant check for a function being true or compare it to a value that can only be done with the returned value of a function.
@@sychro_1122 first it's sudo, second, no the calculations are trivial, every time a shell pens a tank 30 + spall fragments are generated and they need to be ray traced, plus every phyisic object in the game is also needs to be ray traced against it''s suroundings to find collisons, amung other things. That is way more computation work then the extended model you proposed, which is it self more then what I proposed as an example, which is in turn still trivial compared to everything else the server is doing. And assides from all that I was just referring to the issue of era acting as a magic amour force feild until it is destoryed.
That is true until you take into account that Relik is also efective against tandem warheads. There are also other kinds of ERA that also work agaisnt tandem warheads
I do find it funny how on vehicles like the Leclerc AZUR to gaijin it supposedly has these giant panels of era that provide nearly no benefit over even some of the smaller tiles like contact 1
As a russian main…idk why Russian ERA will eat up fuckin Kinetic rounds so well,
@@toasterhothead3312volumetric
@@elkrumb9159 was era like that prior? I started playing warthunder like a year before volumetric and never got to any vehicles that had era prior to volumetric
Because Western ERA is designed to primarily stop shaped charged munitions, as that's the biggest threat they've had to face in real conflicts. Russian ERA is often a ''cheaper'' solution to upgrading the base armor of a tank. Therefore they've designed ERA to stop both kinetic and shaped charged munitions. It's not as simple as ''ERA bigger and thicker, therefore better''
@@Castrix99 what I'm talking about is the chemical effectiveness
“Very nice. Impressive. Now. Let’s take a look at Russian ammo”
Other things to note
-Ammo carousel explosion chance is too low
-Suspicious number of premiums around 10.0 BR
The annoying thing is Nato doesn't add any benefits just extra weight. Challenger 2F/TES/OEF era is like 5000kg and still doesn't stop anything. T72B3/T80BVM era only 1000kg but just eats rounds. I play all nations and have everything in top tier would just like to see better balance M1A2 v2 Sep ERA is Shit and you can't take it off.
You're crazy if you think a western 2ft wide block of ERA and Composite armour would stop a RPG-7 from the 60s. That's 30mm of KE and 400mm of Chemical for you. Oh, and that massive slab of Chobham on the LFP? Sounds awfully like 30mm KE and 400mm chemical to me.
@carpetkraken3418 that's why they should give you options to remove it
my era in my t series does nothing you are either a poor shoot or just plain trash
@@SquareHotShot have you every fought a t-series? if you hit ERA, the APFSDS just vanishes. This isn't a skill issue, I've had DM53 hit ERA on a t72 on the side and it just vanishes. ERA is not effective at stopping APFSDS, it should not be possible for it to absorb on of the best rounds in the game.
@@bokoblinlogic1619 yes i have i have pretty much all countries in this gam in top tier ground and that hsa only happend to me 2 times u just have to know how to aim
I put a DM53 out of an L55 into the dead center side of a T-80BVM from about 20m at a 90 degree angle recently and he just turned without stopping and one tapped me. I could not believe it. I mean we get used to these things but they do need some attention.
Tried this out in protection analysis with my spaded T-80 BVM. Dead Center Leopard 2a6 DM53 L/55 cannon. autoloader gets knocked out. as one shell remains in the barrel and the turret ring isn't killed he can turn his turrent and kill you.
Skill issue.
@@momokalover283 cool story bro. We've got $300 drones knocking T series turrets two hundred feet into the air in Ukraine due to the ammo going off. But a long rod DM53 dart going directly through the ammo does nothing. That's my point. Not very realistic.
@@momokalover283if your still using the protection analysis to prove this stuff you haven’t used warthunder long enough. It is not an accurate example of how it works in game, there’s no ping or variables in protection analysis and the results in pa never reflect the gameplay
@momokalover283 clutch your pearls bro. Lmao. Anime profile pick every time
Every time I get screwed by a Russian tank for no reason, I come back and watch this. (I just bounced a 128 on a T-34's hull and turret ring and an IS-2's coupola. I almost uninstalled.)
Skill issue
Yeah, because this totally never happens on tanks of pretty much every nation....
Also as someone who love huge caliber cannons with HE. Im pretty sure the hitbox of the top armor for RU tanks are smaller than the actual texture by a LOT.
The Cupolas isn’t modeled
I would be ok with Relikt in game if Russian vehicles that get it wouldn't have it come as a stock addition to the tank. Some of them have the ability to mount "extra" ERA already, and it would make more sense to have the ERA be a researchable modification altogether.
eh.... problem is with russian tanks they just strap ERA to outdated hulls, if era as a whole was a researchable modification it would gut the stock grind more then it already is, doesnt make much sense to add it, imagine having a t80bvm at top tier but without any of the ERA so its literally just a 10.3 t-80B stock
but it is a part of the stock vehicle though. they come out of the factory with ERA
wdym its a problem that it comes as stock. Thats what the tank model does. its not a T80BVM if it doesn't have the ERA. A T72B3 is just a T72 without the era and thats a 9.7 vehicle.
@@irirjhrhr4645 No fucking shit but the tanks also come out of the factory with newer ammo and laser rangefinders but we still have to research it. Dumbass take
@@Rek1emMScar personally ive never seen armata without ERA
Lately I've started seeing BTR-80s pop up in my tier (I'm up to a Pershing), and while I don't have experience fighting the more modern MBTs, I will relay something that just happened today. I came across a BTR-80 parked in an open space in a town. I was perpendicular to it. Didn't see me coming. Slowed down, lined up, and shot it right in the side, more or less between where the driver and gunner would sit with a 90mm round. Probably a distance of 30m. Zilch. Not only did it start moving after this, it started firing. I lit it up with machine guns as well, which had no effect. I then shot it again, and it again did nothing to it. All of my weapons get knocked out and I'm only saved by another tank appearing behind it.
The fact that an APC with less than a fraction of the armour thickness my rounds can go through can just withstand that kind of punishment is a shocking example of this faction's OP nature. They just take hit after hit that should destroy, disable, or knock the crew. I've lost crew and gun components, even an entire tank, to a shot on a drive sprocket or idler wheel. Shoot their turret point blank and its like nothing ever happened. Especially laughable when its a T-34, given the effectiveness of such tanks against Pershings in reality in Korea.
I even shot an SU-100Y at point blank in its ammo storage. Twice. The animation even showing the round and debris flying through the shells inside it, and it did not catastrophically explode. The exposed crew sat there and eat .50cal ammo and kept operating as normal.
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Yh, hi just some constructive feedback, ive fallen for that problem, there is an empty space between the gunner and driver, so nothing to hit there. If you want to get them easily, shoot right below the turret, the ammo for the autocannon is rly Massive and you will most likely one shot.
They do have a mean autocannon tho lol
@@gentlefush8020 I hit it a second time, though, basically shooting it from front to back after it changed position.
EDIT: To expand on this, I engaged another BTR with an M56 firing HEAT rounds. First shot I put directly under the gun. Nothing. Second shot I once more fired down the length of the vehicle from the front. Nothing. In a later match I'm driving an M109A1. I spot a BMP-1. Fire at it. A BMP-1 manages to take a 155mm artillery shell to the hull without any effect whatsoever. Meanwhile, a single 30mm round from the BTR instantly knocks my track and completely kills my engine. Russian bias indeed.
Bro just 50 cal it wtf are you yapping about
@@foabmoab hmm, I don’t really have an explanation for that, seems that the game is just trolling you with really bad spalling.
May the snail be with you o7
All one needs to do is what Ukraine war films in ultra high definition; and witness how well ERA is working out. Also in tank on tank combat the 125 is punching through the front slopes of Russian tanks.
About the ERA, notice how only russian ERA retain their full potential when put on the side of their tanks. Look at the ERA on the sides of the ztz-99a, same FY-4 but only 5% the original value while in russia, side ERA are the same as the front
Isn’t Ukrainian ERA on the BM OPlot shown to be massively effective via the fact it’s multiple ERA stacked upon one another? If that didn’t work, they wouldn’t use it right? I don’t know, I think we are skipping over tons of things without sources/explanation.
Further more it’s angled to slice APFSDS, and HEAT charges… You said angled ERA doesn’t work… This goes against everything we’ve seen from NATO, and the Eastern Bloc nations… If ERA truly was less effective while angled we’d see squared off ERA mounts for Russian and NATO tanks where they’d look like rectangles. But they don’t.
The BM Oplot is a great example because it’s one of the most well protected tanks out there. Yatagan beating it out. As far as the west maybe the Leopard 2A7. But east? If we exclude the T-14 or make it raw protection? The Oplot WINS.
None of what you said would make sense. If it did, no MBT would look like, or be the way they are. There would be no Kontact 5, no Relikt, no Duplet , no Malachite, no ARAT 2, FYIV, etc. Either I’m confused, or there are some massive mis assumptions/over simplifications in this video. I’m not sure. But pls explain thoroughly, because it isn’t tracking for me at least based on what we’ve seen.
I must add that, what’s being said didn’t line up in simulations of armor vs APFSDS either… Computer simulations aren’t 100% and don’t account for production imperfections, etc. But that’s more understandable than the words being spoken. So idk. Simulations if even normal Ukrainian Nozh ERA degrades APFSDS a good bit, I’m tempted to say they have the BEST ERA (that I know of). I’d like a Ukrainian Tech Tree just for that reason 😂.
So when it’s being said that ERA at angles is “less effective” / “wouldn’t do much”. Or “can’t be stacked upon another” is just really odd, and throws me off entirely based on what I’ve seen in simulations, FIELD TESTING, and reports by manufacturers worldwide.
It makes sense in the real world to have a lighter tank with addon armor that can take maybe one hit to a specific area as you don’t want to be getting hit multiple times to begin with. The likelyhood a shot comes to the same exact spot is low too. Aiming for small weakspots is a videogame thing.
I’m not sure exactly where he said that angled ERA doesn’t work, he did say extremely steep ERA shouldn’t work as good as it does (which is correct). The Relikt ERA bags should not be performing at 90 degrees (and the same goes for every other type of ERA, which should not work at 90 degrees).
Yeah I think you nailed it on the end, purely engine limitation on how it should function, it’s hard to code especially on a game like WT, I would love to see ERA reworked
pantsir pisses me off the most.
If Im right, most modern NATO rounds, are designed around defeating russian ERA, In which most darts can go right through, Look at Ukraine as an example.
HEAT. Uses plasticity and pressure to make a really really hard fluid out of the copper. The extreme environment the copper is in makes it really high pen in a TIG/MIG like environment.
In fact think of HEAT as a really really REALLY angry TIG/MIG welding, with a 10km/s feed rate. For laymans.
ERA works better than head on, it imparts more energy onto the penetrating projectile. Increasinh effectiveness, it's why it's angled on the tanks.
It's a Bolshevik game. What do you expect?
5:50 flyer plate ERA, like Kontact-5 and Relikt, is more effective at higher angles, so that's realistic
The amount of MiG 21s in the game is fucking ridiculous
your videos are so nice and calming to watch
This NEEDS to get more attention
ERA does provide a lot of protection in real life, especially modern ERA with dual plates being effective against APFSDS. In some places war thunder fails to model the functionality of ERA correctly but aside from a few instances of it overperforming (ERA needs to be less effective at a flat angle, Nearly all of the protection of dual plate ERA relies on increasing the amount of material in the way of a penetrator, angle is necessary for this) IMO its a passable representation. I also think that the overperformance is more of a modeling error on ERA itself than intentional Russian bias. Outside of the soviet tree, ERA is not nearly as common; thus most of the bullshit happens when dealing with Russian vehicles (not to mention the fact that Russia has such a large top tier lineup). If they fixed the angle issue, ERA would be a lot more fair than it is right now; I would say balanced. Yes, WT cannot simulate it realistically, but it needs to be effective in WT because in real life ERA represents an incredible increase in protection over plain armor. I think that the idea of an 'ERA resistance' stat for projectiles could definitely do a lot as well, but to me the most optimal solution seems to be to both fix the angle problem and to improve the game engine itself-something WT desperately needs anyways. IMO there is plenty of more crucial bullshit that counts for Russian bias. I would love to see more videos in this series!
Heat and EFP charges are very , very different , do a quick search😅
HEAT (High Explosive Anti Tank) is a general category of anti-armor weapons that use the focused energy of high explosives (per the Monroe effect) to create a metal projectile capable of penetrating armor.
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A subclass, the EFP (Which is used in several modern HEAT weapons) creates a more solid metal penetrator allowing it to fly longer distances while retaining coherency and, this effectiveness.
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Admittedly, I did oversimplify it in the video as all EFPs are HEAT, but not all HEAT weapons use an EFP, but it wasn't really the focus of the video.
just started watching so maybe you will mention it. but up until the update that added spall liners... High hardness rolled armor generate little to no secondary spall. guess what the armor that protects the ammo rack of the T series MBTs is made of? HHRA. On top of ERA on the sides eating a lot of the shots energy. HHRA is singlehandedly the reason for them surviving so well for so long.
Obviously this doesn't even go into how K5 and Relict on the front of the tank protect the Russian MBTs from the initial penetrating shot. its essentially a jail out of free card. Kudos to the Russians for creating KERA but in game that almost always concludes in the Russians getting the upper hand if the opponent does not shoot them in 1 of two front weakspots. one of both of which result in the HHRA of the turret bustle being hit and generating no spall.
this is why you can shoot a T80 in the LFP and the round goes clean through the entire length of the tank without damaging anything but the engine and killing the driver.
All of them that do have it (which are only the t72s), are rolled homogeneus. where did you get the HHRA from?
Are you referring to the armor that houses the ERA blocks? Beacause I checked and those are the only things made of HHRA. And even on the T-90M, the armored belt around the carousel is made of simple RHA.
Anyway, love your vids bro
@@goliath3413 the inside turret bustle is surrounded by HHRA. It was evident from the lack of secondary spalling, and when you free camera inside with armor viewer on
@@fasztorta0001 no, they were HHRA up until the spall liner update
@@SteelxWolf ah i see, all the flat armor except the turret is hhra on t80 and on t72s it doesn't even exist currently.
8:00 there are no APFSDS with actual counters to heavy ERA in War Thunder. People have been trying to claim that DM53 does but that's not really the case
8:30 M829A3 just has a steel tip. Simulations show that this may assist with K5 somewhat but wouldn't affect Relikt, the main ERA of Russian top tier. See Dejmian XYZ's youtube for his sims on the subject
By how it's presented in the video, it seems like you're saying that "light" ERA effects shaped charges simply by exploding. All types of ERA have flyer plates, even "light" ones (with some rare exceptions like Duplet), with the difference being the thickness of the plates.
Incorporating high tech post war vehicles and weapons should never have occurred because the game engine and general game design, including maps, is incapable of supporting them realistically.
In air battles for prop planes the American planes are heavily underpowered, despite having “speed” it feels like Russian planes and sometimes German ones outclass American props almost 10 to 1, higher tier Russian jets have op missiles and they’re absolutely broken at any rating
The bags should not be Relitik, Relitik requires the 2 Flier plates.
In general there are wonky things (like ERA and RNG involved in ricochets) that benefit some vehicles per nation at some brs. Russia is unique in that disproportionately many Russian vehicles benefit from most of the RNG and jank at every br.
Until recently, top tier vehicles used to start with HEAT rounds and you had to grind to get a rod, while Russian top tier vehicles are disproportionately covered in ERA. Curious.
You guys need to realize that there is no "Russian bias" the game is fuckey and has bugs/glitches everywhere. ERA is not modeled properly so it just counts as extra armor/ERA.
volumetric causes a lot of the problems not with just Russian tanks US tanks German tanks and every tank in the game. you guys need to stop making "Russian Bias" a thing and
start telling Gaijin to fix volumetric and the ERA models.
the is6 invisible plate disagrees
(How was it even allowed in the first place(it was fixed a few years ago))
Maybe make Gaijin accept official unclassified documents from western governments and fix the weapons mentioned in those documents accordingly instead of rejecting them and state it is not trustworthy?
I'm still waiting for the Bradley's launcher to be able to deploy on the move since its manual stated that it can do that, it's just not recommended to do it and not recommended to do something does not equal to not being able to do something
@@burnedbacon3989 yep and there are many such examples
All the while there was the drama with the t90m getting spall liner on some place becose of a youtube video of the t90ms(with the video being before the t90m got into full production)
I dont understand how this is bias while there is a gigantic US "bias" in top tier air. I mean, russian top tier aircraft are straight up openly and shamelessly nerfed into the dirt. There are definitely problems, but arguing that its due to bias based on patriotism or some other stupid shit is just dumb.
what do you mean in 2:50?
From what I get you saaying ERA cannot stack or normal armor? I mean I'm asking that because we have ERA that is Stacked by design, named Ukranian duplet, now we don't know how well that works but its the thinking
My hot take: there is no nation defining bias of any kind but rather an overreliance on badly modeled and implemented mechanics/systems. When russian ammo doesnt detonate when struck everyone looses their mind but then a Leopard or godforbid an Abrams does the same noone bats an eye, further more - good crews can survive fuel tank detonation in the fighting compartment and still be able to operate the tank so don't be surprised when shooting the lower plate on an T-80 You only take out the driver, set the tank of fire, maybe get a mobility kill and then die because the guy shot You
the difference on one part of your argument is that T-series uses auto-loaders, which do not have blowout panels and when detonated, pop the turret off the tank. Leo's and Abrams are hand loaded, and their ammo is kept in a spot with blowout panels, which when the ammo is detonated they "blow out" the top of the turret, causing little to no crew damage. The reason this doesn't kill the tank is because in war thunder, you only die when your crew cannot operate the tank. When it says "Ammunition exploded" it is really just your crew dying because of the ammo, same thing with the fuel tanks exploding.
this is exactly what happens. the only bias here is the confirmation bias.
btw, ammo not detonating (blowout panel protected excuded) happens for one 2 reasons:
1, the tank has 2 piece ammo (like the soviet MBTs)
2, the ammo is not modelled piece by piece, but by a whole rack, or bulks of a few (like Tiger II ammo modelled in bulks of 2)
ammo not detonating happens 99.99999999999999999999% of the times to these.
i have seen to this point 3 cases where single piece individually modelled ammo blacked out (2 times on AMX-10 RC and once on M-51)
it is a bug in the game and not bias.
Thank god someone who agrees. I main Japan so I’m often switched between both sides in games, but I definitely struggle killing Abrams and Leopards consistently as compared to Russian tanks like the BVM and T90M. They have perhaps the largest weak spots on the lower glacis and typically die on the first shot when aiming there. I have played for years and have yet to see the “Russian Bias” people keep screaming about. Russian tanks pop the easiest imo 😅
@@cleverlaziness exactly. most good players know there is no bias because they don't have skill issue, unlike the ones that scream bias.
they are claiming bias for years now, and they are yet to give a single evidence for it.
all they have is a massive skill issue and confirmation bias.
I will also add the mentality difference in teams. Team blue often gives up easily, have 0 awarness and play for kills. meanwhile red team does teamwork and has better awarness (on average from my experience). I learned to give up my expectations when playing with team blue cuz it will often lead to frustration and spouting things like "why can't you see him" ,"why can't you help me", "why are you shooting there", "why are you doing nothing" or the most one i come across: "Where is my team?"
Can agree with majority of the stuff except for these:
4:01 if what you say is true then anyone who ever used claymores would need their legs amputated, but they haven't. Its almost like backplates for directed explosives do something.
Skipping shells off of Relikt (and such) will have better results than if it was direct. The devs said this themselves and simulations show it aswel. You're effectively increasing the angle at which the projectile impacts while at the same time applying counter force. This would lead to 'bouncing' AP shots off the sides at greater angles because by the time it comes into contact with the actual armor, the velocity is lost.
Also you forgot that some vehicles do double stacks of heavy ERA on the front plates.
Overall if they were to fix it, it would become a one shot thing (as it should) but it would increase the effective armor by maybe 30% than what it already was. It gains something and loses something so im in.
Claymores do have a rear danger area. It's smaller than the main frontal danger area and the main fragmentation is concentrated in the front, but you definitely don't want to be standing within about 5 meters behind one going off.
To address whether it would add or remove protection to strike ERA at an off angle, it heavily depends on the shell, the armor type and exactly how extreme the angle is. It's less a case of "the game is definitely wrong in every situation" but rather that it uses a very simplistic universal rule to represent an inherently complex set of physics which heavily benefits having ERA
Just look at the state of top tier air and try to tell me there is russian bias
Yeah like Su25sm3 doesn’t exist
@@MOTULCOW almost all cas is broken while russian fighters are all missle boats with no flight performance and their rwr's are not modeled to their fullest capabilities making them awfull aswell
@@pko6596 how about skill issue? Top tier USSR is the only nation with 20km Anti air and atgm, you can just take down enemy outside their missile range. Bvm and T90M is not the best mbt out there. But does German got any cas power? Is Sweden any good in terms of heli? Now guess which nation has it all? Su27’s radar isn’t that good in grb I get that, but imagine fighting it with Pantsir S1 down the ground and you don’t even know if he launched a missile. Like seriously, what more do you want?
@@pko6596 sorry if I sound too “excited”, but if you only look at top tier as of now, r27er is still very competitive. I agree that Russian bias doesn’t exist, but only if you talk solely about arb. Because if you talk about full lineup, top tier USSR is so much ahead of others
@@MOTULCOW yeah but at the same time they nerfed the hell out of russian planes in some cases without reason and then buff nato planes because why not (i'm an f-16 player btw) for example the f-16 is overperforming but in this case is because gaijin cannot model the plane correctly so they went with a random fix that made it overperform
Shhhhhhhhh
-T80UD purchaser
I do thing there is Bias in this game but in a different way.
1. The only thing i can say was "Russian Bias" as all refeer is the Bakelite on some russian Props
2. Yes there is "Russian Bias" but this is more about some mecanics that gaijin do not add until a russian vehicle has it (amphibius vehicles, smoke granades, etc) and others that were added only to russian vehicles and take time to add to other nations even when they had it.
3. The other instance of "Russian Bias" was the fact they need to add a russian vehicle per update no mater what and with the old event system there was always a russian vehicle. (Germany and USA do not always get them)
4. Everything outside that is either "Premium Bias" (When they add overpowered premiums to waithing to players to buy them and then nerf them) wich happen in every nation (this is often agravated by they shitty BR system/balance algorithm) [We cannot forget the existance of planes like the xp-50 or the wyvern or tanks like the SAV.20.18.48 or the VIDAR. Obviusly there are Russian examples Su-11 and Mig-15Bis ISH and the 2s38 ], this also happen when they add a new vehicle (but not that often) but is a way to lure players to grind a new nation (Same with some event vehicles)
5. Everything else is confirmation BIAS caused by gaijin broken mecanics/bugs. ERA eating bullets [VOLUMETRICS/BAD CODE], Ammo not exploding [Not only a Toptier problem it happend in all BRs with a lot of vehicles outside russia, in the comments someone put an explanation], The IS series dont die to bombs [IDK what happen there lol], AIM-7 being bad [Skill issue/server issue, is a 50/50 sometimes is because you did an awfull launch other is because the hamster died, this also affect R-24 and R-27ER but because the R-27ER has the ability to relock the target you can save it]
so game engine limitations and simplified modelling is russian bias now. got it.
i am looking forward to the next episodes of this series, because if they will be like this one, you will make a big fool out of yourself.
there is no russian bias in the game. for 10 or so years people were screaming this, yet nobody could every give any kind of evidence, not even a small one. when they tried, it turned out to be their own skill issue and/or lack of game knowledge.
(oh, let's just ignore the fact, that china has heavy ERA too)
Well most Russian “ERA” in Ukraine is just rubber blocks, which actually provide more protection than you think since rubber is literally NERA, but it is not nearly as effective as actual ERA
lol a cope channel
Nope there is no bias Yes ERA's are modelled incorrectly but gameplay wise they dont matter much.
It definitely significantly affects gameplay, specifically with the poor modelling of heavy ERA (Kontact 5 and Relikt). The side of a Russian tanks hull shouldn't be able to eat M829A2 and take no damage
@@semicooperative7188 I don't think bro watched the video lmao
He made the video ???@@DasGermanBias
@@nikolaideianov5092 i was talking about the dude who posted the comment lol not the dude who made the video
@@DasGermanBias ah sounded like you were talking about the guy you @
Hi love youre vid
I completely agree to the things you talked about in the video.
There are two things that whould also help the bias in my eyes. First is do you judge a tank by its design or how it was produced, this mainly effect ww2 Russia and late war Germany both countries especially at the end of war had production issues in steel quality (Russia treated too hot - > harder but often break at even lighter forces, germany not having alloys avaliable).
Second is the problem of obscuring information russia tents to increase performance of their equipment while nato does the opposite saying there equipment can do less. This naturally leads to a Russian bias since the official sources say so, wich is understandable but frustrating.
Sorry for any writing mistakes English isn't my first language and im dyslexic
Thanks for reading this
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Still crying about that ? No complains about how garbage to fight a sweedy leos ?
it’s ok you can just spawn your ka50 with 16 anti air anti ground and anti cas missiles that can fly with half the thing missing