Just to kinda explain what happens around 43:13, crits in Gen 1 ignore stat buffs/debuffs for whatever reason and only use the user and target's base stats. On the other hand, when a confused Pokemon hits itself, stat changes are taken into account, so your Kingler was hitting itself with its own powered-up pincer. All that aside, though, great video; it felt like a walk down memory lane
First of all: Holy fuck, your video production has always been top tier for a channel this small, but you really outdid yourself this time. Absolute madlad, I really hope the Algorithm blesses this video eventually Anyway: I also share a lot of the same feelings towards Blue. I think that the impact and wonder if the original games has kind of been forgotten about due to all the sequels. But like...the surprise of your Pokemon evolving, the existence of the evil team, being able to Surf on water...that shit was creative and memorable. Even if the sequels are "better" games, they fundamentally can't share that same sense of surprise and wonder, since they iterate on that foundation
Agreed. Gold and Silver have always been objectively better games to me (I don't understand how anybody could take issue with them), but Blue and Red appeal was just magical right out the gate. Thanks very much. Glad you enjoyed it.
Before every christmas as a child for as long as I can remember, i'd travel to my relatives that lived an 8 hour car drive away from me, so i'd always boot up a new game of Blue for it
Yeah this video perfectly encapsulates what it felt like playing Pokémon when it first came out. From the initial sense of wonder, to the gruelling zubat cave and the sense of freedom I got when I made it out, to the excitement and disbelief at there being 5 elite 4 members and everything in-between, culminating in the capturing of Mewtwo to wrap everything up. I did the new glitch when revisiting it as an adult and played it way more strategically with my party as I just power levelled my starter and three other Pokémon the first time around. Thanks for the video, it's nice to know this was a shared experience for other people too
God, I love videos like this one. Analysis and funny humor jokes and all that stuff is great, but there's something about 'I love this (game/movie/whatever) deeply, let me tell you my story'. Glad to see some more uploads from you, Skelly! edit: oh my god it's fifty minutes, you wonderful madlad edit2: AYYYY fellow appalachian neighbor! southeast ohio, myself, about 30 minutes away from the River/WV edit3: AYYYYYYYY another giovanni's enjoyer! glad i'm not the only one who associated him w/ the pizza place at first
If you really want to break this game wide open, I'd recommend looking up the gen 1 competitive scene. If you think Psychics in gen 1 are powerful, wait until you see how powerful Tauros, Snorlax, and Chansey are (especially Tauros). Also you can replace the battery in your Blue cartridge if you want to play on Gameboy again (the same thing happened to my old Silver cartridge) As a huge Pokémon fan, this was such a grear watch. Not really the sort of Pokémon videos you see any more, this was such a welcome change of pace. Keep up the good work man :)
I should first apologize for taking so long to sit down and watch this, as it may well be the best episode you've posted yet, and I say this as someone who literally hasn't touched the series since Gen 1; it truly encompasses everything that keeps me coming back to this channel. A handful of additional thoughts: - Back in school there were three of us that played first-gen Pokemon; I was the only one with the Red version, so my Growlithes and Scythers were always in demand. Of course I also had to pay an even MORE ridiculous price for Porygon. - Bug types were even more useless against Psychic opponents back then because so many of them were also Poison type, which was weak against...well, you know. - I'll have you know that I have obtained not only all 151 original Pokemon (yes, 151; my friends and I attended a convention where Mew was being given out, got him completely legit. I sold the cart some time back, but still have the paper certificate of authenticity laying around) but ALSO a Fine Arts degree, and had thus already wasted my life to the maximum possible extent by my mid-20's. - Even if the rest of the video wasn't as great as it is, Freedom the Jigglypuff would have been enough all on his own to make this an instant favorite. Again, wonderful stuff, very much worth the time investment to take it all in. Keep up the excellent work, always looking forward to whatever you've got coming next, and hoping the new year has treated you well so far.
I knew it was only a matter of time before somebody with a fine arts degree came along and was like "Ay..." Thanks very much for watching. I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Very well put. I still have my red cartridge from way back when, too. I don't even have a way to play it any more, but I'll be damned if I ever get rid of something that was such an important part of my childhood. I haven't played any of the versions past gold, but I'll never forget how tightly Pokemon gripped me as a kid.
I fail to understand how a video this entertaining, heartfelt, and well put together scores under a thousand views. Seriously, you took maybe the most widely-dissected game of all time shy of the original Super Mario Bros. and managed to put a fresh spin on it. Easy subscribe, can't wait to see what you come up with going forward.
Hey, this video took me back a couple of years in my childhood, i remember beeing deeply anoyed by zubats on caves, i remember the time that i was exploring some rivers when i got surf and found zapdos, that was a core memory that i cherish a lot. I still think Pokemon Crystal, the pinaccle of pokemon vibe, the radio that changed songs day in and day out, the bug catch contest that i got my first scyter, THAT FUCKING MILTANK from goldenrod city gym, ah, so many memories. These Old pokemon games have a game feeling so imaculated, so "fun"?, i love the way the game leads the player without actualy telling the player, well, i spoke a lot. Loved you video from the bottom of my Dwarven Heart. Ah, almost forgor, back in the day i remember playing a ripp off mon game called "robopon", it was kinda like, pokemon with robots (recalling right now, wasnt medabots that too?). Well, now i spoke a lot again. Well, it was good watching this, thank you.
Dude I played through red, blue and yellow dozens of time, I never knew there was a potion in the PC at the start... Also your skelly cosplay is absolutely perfect
Wow... This was a really nice journey through Pokemon Blue! I liked the intro setting the tone with you out and about on your GameBoy playing the game, and the pacing for explaining general game stuff and various tidbits/memories was neat! Also meeeeeeep, I-I can now see why you were pushing for this video a bit when you talked about your Pizza Tower video blowing up.. I guess it is what it is, but I appreciate this video and I hope more peeps stumble upon it too. :)
It was the red cartridge of Pokémon Red in a red Gameboy Pocket for me, but apart from that, you just made me relive my youth for 50 minutes straight. I started following you for the shmup content, but I did not expect this glorious trip down memory lane. Thanks for the all the beautiful videos, love your work!
This was excellent, Pokemon blue is one of my favourite games of all time, I don't need any other pokemon games (apart from pokemon stadium obvs) other than this. I don't want extra pokemon, extra mechanics. I want there to be a bug where I can get infinite items, I want to be able to use that to get mew. The combination of this with pokemon stadium (where they tightened a lot of the battle mechanics) made this next level, it added additional ways you needed to optimize your team for the different cups and set a good level of challenge. Upping the graphics and seeing your pokemon in 3D was so cool too. Happy memories and I give this a play through every few years or so
I played green, surprisingly. I always mainly used the Pokémon given to me over any others. By the time I took on the four, my main was almost at 100, maybe around 90, where my others were playing catch up. My rival beat me everytime. The whole game was a cake walk but my rival would come right round to beat me at the end. I had fun, and I respected my rival as an opponent unlike everyone else, because he was the one who always pushed me to grind and learn.
Excellent video! It was so well made, enjoyed the sentiments and your story throughout, mixed with good, natural humour thay didn't overstay its welcome but gave your video another dimension. I grew up on Red & Yellow and share much of the meaningful feelings and moments you express here, and yet some of it I forgot and you took me back to those wonderful, childhood times. For that, an extra thank you and I look forward to whatever you'd like to make next 👍
I grew up watching my older brother play Pokemon Blue, or at least hearing about his progress and the pokemon he would get. I was more interested in the anime at the time since RPGs were a foreign concept to my dumb baby child brain. I was just used to a lot of action games like platformers and such. Seeing numbers and a lot of text, it didn't excite me. Paper Mario was what got me into RPGs and I was far more interested now into diving into this genre. It's funny looking back since I skipped from Gen 1...all the way to Pokemon X & Y. I was so used to hanging with my older brother while he played the game, using cheat devices to get Mew, and finding the infamous Missingno. Loved this video, had to leave a comment after hearing about your Pizza Tower video skyrocketing your subscriber count.
Thanks for your video, your channel is still one of the most underrated i know. I will always love gen 1 enjoyed 2&3. After that Pokemon kinda lost me in search for something similar, Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne was right up my alley, also a great series. I can't wait for your next video
Oh and subbing for your shmup-stuff (and you clearly put time into your videos; this was enjoyable). Making an extra comment as RUclips has started deleting them again (yay!).
The reason your confused Kingler did so much damage is because confuse damage is based off of your attack stat. and as you said it was maxed out after a swords dance.
@@ASkeleton iv never had the bawls to put myself out there as a youtuber, your style and confidence developed in just four short years is inspiring bone bro
I just purchased, not even two weeks ago.. A modified gameboy color with Haunter on it and a screen that has a built in light in it. And Pokemon Yellow. You know why? Same reason as you. Great video. (Although arguably the most important game of my childhood was Super Mario World and Donkey Kong Country. But these were up there too. For sure. We are boomers, Skelly... We're getting old. :( )
Had blue as well. Yeah Charizard was my first pick but... That boxart tho Edit: 6:28 the crack is one thing (not a big deal to me I don't see the grin) but I never noticed those 4 pixels on the mid left back of Cubone's skull before... Sus
Yeah, by today's standards, Red, Blue, and possibly even Yellow are extremely dated graphically and gameplay wise. But what a lot of people tend to forget is that, back then at least, there was nothing else like them. A lot of kids I knew didn't even know what an RPG was, but Pokemon had them hooked and probably led them to getting into the genre where Final Fantasy Mystic Quest failed. You also can't even explain to people what an absolute phenomenon Pokemon was back in it's heyday, though Pokemon Go did come close. I will say this for the gen 1 sprites though, they look more like monsters than the the later iterations did
I just watched this heartfelt, passionate video to the end and you know what I realized as a result? This isn't the review of Pizza Tower I thought I had clicked on
I would love to say that I have this same feeling for Emerald, but... I actually have this sort of nostalgia for one of the earlier versions of Pokemon Clover. Y'know, the 4chan shitpost romhack that /vp/ made. Despite being a joke romhack I find that it's overall better put together in every way than many serious romhacks (not to mention recent mainline games).
I remember when my friends at school would tell me you could capture pokemon easier if you just kept hitting B and A. I did that for YEARS till Gen 4. It kinda worked!
Pokemon blue, red and yellow were god tier games. I remember staying up late and playing them for hours as a little kid.
Just to kinda explain what happens around 43:13, crits in Gen 1 ignore stat buffs/debuffs for whatever reason and only use the user and target's base stats. On the other hand, when a confused Pokemon hits itself, stat changes are taken into account, so your Kingler was hitting itself with its own powered-up pincer. All that aside, though, great video; it felt like a walk down memory lane
Algorithm bless you thicc skellington
The video quality of these are amazing. You need more exposure for sure!
Thanks very much
Blue is most nostalgic for me because while I had red, blue, and yellow I lent blue to my cousin and he lost it across the country in Nova Scotia
Oof. Ya hate to see it
Pokemon Blue was my jam. My little brother had Red and I had Blue. Such good memories
Loved this. Feel like many of these retrospectives can feel very samey. This felt fresh and personable
Thank you very much
That song when fighting your rival for the final time still gives me goose bumps...
Same my dude
First of all: Holy fuck, your video production has always been top tier for a channel this small, but you really outdid yourself this time. Absolute madlad, I really hope the Algorithm blesses this video eventually
Anyway: I also share a lot of the same feelings towards Blue. I think that the impact and wonder if the original games has kind of been forgotten about due to all the sequels. But like...the surprise of your Pokemon evolving, the existence of the evil team, being able to Surf on water...that shit was creative and memorable. Even if the sequels are "better" games, they fundamentally can't share that same sense of surprise and wonder, since they iterate on that foundation
Agreed. Gold and Silver have always been objectively better games to me (I don't understand how anybody could take issue with them), but Blue and Red appeal was just magical right out the gate.
Thanks very much. Glad you enjoyed it.
Before every christmas as a child for as long as I can remember, i'd travel to my relatives that lived an 8 hour car drive away from me, so i'd always boot up a new game of Blue for it
No carsickness? Hit me like a ton of bricks when I tried playing in the car.
Yeah this video perfectly encapsulates what it felt like playing Pokémon when it first came out. From the initial sense of wonder, to the gruelling zubat cave and the sense of freedom I got when I made it out, to the excitement and disbelief at there being 5 elite 4 members and everything in-between, culminating in the capturing of Mewtwo to wrap everything up. I did the new glitch when revisiting it as an adult and played it way more strategically with my party as I just power levelled my starter and three other Pokémon the first time around. Thanks for the video, it's nice to know this was a shared experience for other people too
God, I love videos like this one. Analysis and funny humor jokes and all that stuff is great, but there's something about 'I love this (game/movie/whatever) deeply, let me tell you my story'. Glad to see some more uploads from you, Skelly!
edit: oh my god it's fifty minutes, you wonderful madlad
edit2: AYYYY fellow appalachian neighbor! southeast ohio, myself, about 30 minutes away from the River/WV
edit3: AYYYYYYYY another giovanni's enjoyer! glad i'm not the only one who associated him w/ the pizza place at first
Howdy partner! Let us bond over the music of our people! *plays Nickleback*
If you really want to break this game wide open, I'd recommend looking up the gen 1 competitive scene. If you think Psychics in gen 1 are powerful, wait until you see how powerful Tauros, Snorlax, and Chansey are (especially Tauros).
Also you can replace the battery in your Blue cartridge if you want to play on Gameboy again (the same thing happened to my old Silver cartridge)
As a huge Pokémon fan, this was such a grear watch. Not really the sort of Pokémon videos you see any more, this was such a welcome change of pace. Keep up the good work man :)
Oh yeah, I heard about Tauros just recently. Not something I would've expected to be busted. Thanks very much!
I really enjoy the high quality of your videos bro + your voice is so nice
Thanks a lot. Very kind of you to say.
43:20 Crits ignored stat changes in Red and Blue, due to coding errors.
I should first apologize for taking so long to sit down and watch this, as it may well be the best episode you've posted yet, and I say this as someone who literally hasn't touched the series since Gen 1; it truly encompasses everything that keeps me coming back to this channel. A handful of additional thoughts:
- Back in school there were three of us that played first-gen Pokemon; I was the only one with the Red version, so my Growlithes and Scythers were always in demand. Of course I also had to pay an even MORE ridiculous price for Porygon.
- Bug types were even more useless against Psychic opponents back then because so many of them were also Poison type, which was weak against...well, you know.
- I'll have you know that I have obtained not only all 151 original Pokemon (yes, 151; my friends and I attended a convention where Mew was being given out, got him completely legit. I sold the cart some time back, but still have the paper certificate of authenticity laying around) but ALSO a Fine Arts degree, and had thus already wasted my life to the maximum possible extent by my mid-20's.
- Even if the rest of the video wasn't as great as it is, Freedom the Jigglypuff would have been enough all on his own to make this an instant favorite.
Again, wonderful stuff, very much worth the time investment to take it all in. Keep up the excellent work, always looking forward to whatever you've got coming next, and hoping the new year has treated you well so far.
I knew it was only a matter of time before somebody with a fine arts degree came along and was like "Ay..."
Thanks very much for watching. I'm glad you enjoyed it.
I think you perfectly captured our shared nostalgia for this experience.
Very well put. I still have my red cartridge from way back when, too. I don't even have a way to play it any more, but I'll be damned if I ever get rid of something that was such an important part of my childhood.
I haven't played any of the versions past gold, but I'll never forget how tightly Pokemon gripped me as a kid.
I fail to understand how a video this entertaining, heartfelt, and well put together scores under a thousand views. Seriously, you took maybe the most widely-dissected game of all time shy of the original Super Mario Bros. and managed to put a fresh spin on it. Easy subscribe, can't wait to see what you come up with going forward.
Thank you very much. Very kind of you to say
Hey, this video took me back a couple of years in my childhood, i remember beeing deeply anoyed by zubats on caves, i remember the time that i was exploring some rivers when i got surf and found zapdos, that was a core memory that i cherish a lot.
I still think Pokemon Crystal, the pinaccle of pokemon vibe, the radio that changed songs day in and day out, the bug catch contest that i got my first scyter, THAT FUCKING MILTANK from goldenrod city gym, ah, so many memories.
These Old pokemon games have a game feeling so imaculated, so "fun"?, i love the way the game leads the player without actualy telling the player, well, i spoke a lot. Loved you video from the bottom of my Dwarven Heart.
Ah, almost forgor, back in the day i remember playing a ripp off mon game called "robopon", it was kinda like, pokemon with robots (recalling right now, wasnt medabots that too?). Well, now i spoke a lot again. Well, it was good watching this, thank you.
You are one of the greats
Thanks very much!
Dude I played through red, blue and yellow dozens of time, I never knew there was a potion in the PC at the start...
Also your skelly cosplay is absolutely perfect
Cosplay?
@@ASkeleton My bad, I meant you kept your bones in perfect shape despite your apparent unfortunate demise
i absolutely loved this upload, good stuff man
Thanks very much!
7:01 the reason I just subscribed thanks for making my day
Haha! Thanks very much
Epic episode, bro! I also grew up with this game and am still a Pokefan to this day. I just bought Violet today.
Man how you dont have thousands of views yet is beyond me great video
Thanks very much
Awww. What a great video. Thanks for making it.
It’s amazing both where pokemon both began and how FAR it’s fallen as a videogame series.
Wow... This was a really nice journey through Pokemon Blue! I liked the intro setting the tone with you out and about on your GameBoy playing the game, and the pacing for explaining general game stuff and various tidbits/memories was neat!
Also meeeeeeep, I-I can now see why you were pushing for this video a bit when you talked about your Pizza Tower video blowing up.. I guess it is what it is, but I appreciate this video and I hope more peeps stumble upon it too. :)
Thank you very much. I appreciate it
This hit the feelZ
the video just started and my anxiety already peaked, you sat so close to the water with that precious thing man, your vids are great :3
Don't think I didn't think about that. Thanks very much for watching!
This video is super effective!
Awesome! This was my second Pokémon game Yellow was my first, oh Yellow I'll forever love my Pokémon games!
Just found your channel, fantastic video and your voice is liquid gold. I can't wait to see more!
Liquid gold huh? Mighty Christlike of you to say that.
It was the red cartridge of Pokémon Red in a red Gameboy Pocket for me, but apart from that, you just made me relive my youth for 50 minutes straight. I started following you for the shmup content, but I did not expect this glorious trip down memory lane. Thanks for the all the beautiful videos, love your work!
Thanks very much!
This was excellent, Pokemon blue is one of my favourite games of all time, I don't need any other pokemon games (apart from pokemon stadium obvs) other than this. I don't want extra pokemon, extra mechanics. I want there to be a bug where I can get infinite items, I want to be able to use that to get mew. The combination of this with pokemon stadium (where they tightened a lot of the battle mechanics) made this next level, it added additional ways you needed to optimize your team for the different cups and set a good level of challenge. Upping the graphics and seeing your pokemon in 3D was so cool too. Happy memories and I give this a play through every few years or so
Thanks very much. I would've loved to try loading up my team on Stadium, but we were a Playstation family.
@@ASkeleton you missed out! Can get it working pretty easily in an emulator. Was the best place to battle a friend
I played green, surprisingly. I always mainly used the Pokémon given to me over any others. By the time I took on the four, my main was almost at 100, maybe around 90, where my others were playing catch up. My rival beat me everytime. The whole game was a cake walk but my rival would come right round to beat me at the end. I had fun, and I respected my rival as an opponent unlike everyone else, because he was the one who always pushed me to grind and learn.
Excellent video!
It was so well made, enjoyed the sentiments and your story throughout, mixed with good, natural humour thay didn't overstay its welcome but gave your video another dimension.
I grew up on Red & Yellow and share much of the meaningful feelings and moments you express here, and yet some of it I forgot and you took me back to those wonderful, childhood times.
For that, an extra thank you and I look forward to whatever you'd like to make next 👍
Thank you very much
Great video! So nostalgic! Makes me wish I could go back in time and experience pokemania again
Hermoso trabajo. Te amo huesitos!
Gracias!
This was both awesome and hilarious, thanks for sharing this with us
Thanks very much!
I grew up watching my older brother play Pokemon Blue, or at least hearing about his progress and the pokemon he would get. I was more interested in the anime at the time since RPGs were a foreign concept to my dumb baby child brain. I was just used to a lot of action games like platformers and such. Seeing numbers and a lot of text, it didn't excite me. Paper Mario was what got me into RPGs and I was far more interested now into diving into this genre. It's funny looking back since I skipped from Gen 1...all the way to Pokemon X & Y. I was so used to hanging with my older brother while he played the game, using cheat devices to get Mew, and finding the infamous Missingno. Loved this video, had to leave a comment after hearing about your Pizza Tower video skyrocketing your subscriber count.
Thanks very much. As far as starting points for RPGs goes, Paper Mario is rock solid.
Thanks for your video, your channel is still one of the most underrated i know. I will always love gen 1 enjoyed 2&3. After that Pokemon kinda lost me in search for something similar, Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne was right up my alley, also a great series. I can't wait for your next video
Switching from Pokemon to Nocturne is like jumping from Mario to Super Meat Boy.
Thanks very much! Glad you enjoyed.
That jigglypuff named freedom is a deep cut fish lol
Pokemon AND trains in the first minutes? I'm listening
Oh and subbing for your shmup-stuff (and you clearly put time into your videos; this was enjoyable). Making an extra comment as RUclips has started deleting them again (yay!).
23:33 Time for rat power! Oh, yeah.
The reason your confused Kingler did so much damage is because confuse damage is based off of your attack stat. and as you said it was maxed out after a swords dance.
I had a feeling that was the case. Not sure if it still works like that in the newer games.
this is such a damn wholesome video thanks for sharing bone daddy
Thanks very much!
@@ASkeleton iv never had the bawls to put myself out there as a youtuber, your style and confidence developed in just four short years is inspiring bone bro
27:35 Fun fact : you can do some very broken stuff (in Gen 1 pokemon ? No way!) with OHKO moves and an X accuracy. It's even a legit speedrun strat.
Speedrunners are likely the only people that use those stat boosters.
@@ASkeleton That's because they're cheap, in every sens of the word.
I just purchased, not even two weeks ago..
A modified gameboy color with Haunter on it and a screen that has a built in light in it. And Pokemon Yellow.
You know why? Same reason as you. Great video.
(Although arguably the most important game of my childhood was Super Mario World and Donkey Kong Country. But these were up there too. For sure. We are boomers, Skelly... We're getting old. :( )
We're old, but we're still cool
Great video! -Zach
I can't wait to meet your rival, B Skeleton.
Had blue as well. Yeah Charizard was my first pick but... That boxart tho
Edit: 6:28 the crack is one thing (not a big deal to me I don't see the grin) but I never noticed those 4 pixels on the mid left back of Cubone's skull before... Sus
I'm sure that's just supposed to be another crack in the skull. Thanks very much for watching!
@ A Skeleton Keep up the good work
Yeah, by today's standards, Red, Blue, and possibly even Yellow are extremely dated graphically and gameplay wise. But what a lot of people tend to forget is that, back then at least, there was nothing else like them. A lot of kids I knew didn't even know what an RPG was, but Pokemon had them hooked and probably led them to getting into the genre where Final Fantasy Mystic Quest failed. You also can't even explain to people what an absolute phenomenon Pokemon was back in it's heyday, though Pokemon Go did come close. I will say this for the gen 1 sprites though, they look more like monsters than the the later iterations did
I just watched this heartfelt, passionate video to the end and you know what I realized as a result?
This isn't the review of Pizza Tower I thought I had clicked on
ps just some good natured trollin m8. i actually love your content and picked up Q-Yo Blaster yesterday thanks to you
@@CptSamel That's great! Thanks very much for watching
Found ya through the pizza tower vid really enjoyed this one as well consider me subbed
Looking forward to what you have in store
Ayyyy, thanks very much!
Crits ignore stat buffs (and debuffs?) in gen 1. Weirdest thing I never understood until watching JRose11
Thanks for clearing that up.
the fit so damn cleann
I would love to say that I have this same feeling for Emerald, but... I actually have this sort of nostalgia for one of the earlier versions of Pokemon Clover. Y'know, the 4chan shitpost romhack that /vp/ made. Despite being a joke romhack I find that it's overall better put together in every way than many serious romhacks (not to mention recent mainline games).
Can't say I ever heard of that one. The only rom hacks I dabbled in were Touhoumon and a bit of Moemon. Will have to look up Clover sometime.
I remember when my friends at school would tell me you could capture pokemon easier if you just kept hitting B and A. I did that for YEARS till Gen 4. It kinda worked!
thicc skeleton
I played it on the GBC. It had a nice blue tint
Giga Drain was in Gen 2
You can also easily just replace that battery.
nah bro mew is totally under that truck I found him there. you just gotta revive aeris first.
And unlock Sheng Long.
ITS SANS
Sands
Sans Undertale
*pretends like I don't understand why people keep saying that*