Just for clarification to anyone who might be confused about the whole "Classic Sonic > other dimension" thing that Forces introduced: "Classic" is still part of the character's past, as established in Sonic Generations. However, a popular fan-theory suggests that Sonic Mania branched off from Gens; creating an alternate timeline/dimension. This is what I'm operating on for this What If, and any other What Ifs that may/not feature Classic versions of certain characters! 🙏
Ok but since classic games like sonic cd was based on time when sonic goes to the future of the zone how come some stages like stardust speedway scenery change in sonic mania
Ever since the Archie's universe was "destroyed", we kinda lost some stories of origin from some characters. Espio was one of my favorites of those cases: being a member of a secret clan of ninjas, son of the leader of one of the four houses, under the rule of the Iron Dominion. I'm proud of Espio, although he's been through a hard trial, his soul and mind wasn't altered by Master Zik's teachings, for four years. Will he ever be free from this place and return to the surface? If he encounters the Chaotix now, what will be his approach?
I'm sold on this idea! This gives the Deadly Six more of a purpose and backstory. This makes me like them so much more as well as a cool development for Espio.
in the Archie comics in 2009 he is the prince of a ninja clan of chameleons that are experts in stealth espionage martial arts and Intel gathering his mom is their leader and he was sent to spy on knuckles and the freedom fighters but he learned to value friendship and trust by spending time with knuckles and the chaotix and cared about them after going on many adventures with them
@@Next-xm2dh it's not like epio is called or considered an actual ninja prince I was just using a figure of speech but his mom is the leader of a ninja clan and there are other ninja clans there's the raiju clan which are linxes and expert martial artists the yagyu who are purple bats and great swordsmen and another group that are spiders and experts in strategy and stealth
never thought this would be a combination that works, yet here we are. I'm really glad that Espio choose to spare Zavok in the end, but i don't think his future will be so bright from now on
@@deadbeatnetwork9792 Actually, echidnas can sense electromagnetic waves. That makes sense with Knuckles having a strong connection to the Master Emerald, since his species can sense energy anyway.
Jesus, this story is amazing! Espio is one of my favorite characters and seeing him be trained by Master Zik and seeing the results of this training has made me absolutely dumbfounded. I’m really curious to see how things will be when Sonic, Tails, and Eggman arrive at the Lost Hex. With Espio there, I’m sure the story will take an interesting turn. I can imagine Espio seeing the devastation they are causing the world below, Espio wouldn’t want to have any part in using the planet’s power for evil. I can also see this as a way for Espio to turn against the Deadly Six by rescuing Tails, saving him from being Roboticized. And after the Deadly Six are defeated, they would arrive in Sonic’s world and be introduced to the main cast. Thanks to his new strength and Master Zik’s training I feel he would be a valuable asset to the Sonic gang as for Team Chaotix, I’m honestly not sure but it may be an interesting take on how they would all meet. Awesome Job as always, Scourge. Keep being awesome!
I have an idea to expand on this "What If?": since Espio is now part of the Deadly Six (or Deadly Seven in timeline), who takes his place in Team Chaotix especially the events of Sonic Heroes? I would suggest Mighty the Armadillo considering he was present during the events of Knuckles Chaotix plus it would be fun to see his interactions with the Adventure cast.
Excellent story, especially since you have basically constructed this story from scratch. I have watched your other “What if...” stories and they have all been great, but this one really takes the cake. You even made the fight scenes great; each character’s fighting style does well in reflecting their personality. I’d just like to recommend two slight but significant changes, both having to do with Master Zik’s line, “we learn little from victory, but we learn much from defeat,” just to give that line a little bit of payoff in this story and to help with Espio’s character development. 1) Zik said that line as part of Espio’s lesson about his over eagerness. And you mentioned something about Espio going back to the desert to a lot to fight those sand worms. What if in his attempts of fighting the sand worms, after months and months or even years of that, he starts learning subtle but important characteristics about how they fight, their strengths and weaknesses, in particular their ability to sense vibrations underground? This is a good payoff for Master Zik’s line, because Espio could have only learned that the sand worms could do that after trying and failing to fight them, and after observing them for a long time (Espio is a smart guy and all, but after his rigorous training, the fatigue he is suffering from that is affecting his focus, and the fact he was caught off guard by the worms in the first place, I’d think he would have a tougher time figuring out how the sand worms operated upon first meeting them). It is through this process that Espio is able to defeat the worms; maybe he learns to stand perfectly still, not moving a hair on his body, basically becoming invisible to the worms (he masters total self control of his body, which he practiced via mediation). Then, when the worms are asleep or otherwise passive, Espio kills the worms while they sleep. Of course, this is dark and not honorable, but this seems like the kind of tactic Espio would resort being a ninja and radically trained by Master Zik. Master Zik is after all trying to get Espio to forgo his ideas of honor and righteousness, and this choice of tactics would reflect the impact Master Zik and the other Zedis have had on Espio (after all, the impact of Espio’s training is reflected in his outfit later, so it seems like this change would fit well). 2) when Espio defeats Zavok but refuses to cast aside his morals and kill Zavok (which I would like to say is an excellent character moment for Espio, good writing), and Master Zik tells Espio, “you still have much to learn,” Espio should have replied, “It is as you said Master. We learn little from victory, but we learn much in defeat.” Espio using his Zik’s own words here can work on many levels; It can be interpreted as Espio has much to learn to truly be a Zedi, Espio is mocking his master by basically saying “you have failed to turn me to the “dark side” so learn that I will not truly become a Zedi” (basically pouring salt into Master Zik’s metaphorical wounds from his failure to convert Espio by using his own words against him) and/or since Espio won this fight there was little more Zik could teach him (not to mention that Espio won the true battle here in that he put morals and desire to do good above his quest for power and revenge against Zavok; Espio has learned to control his emotions, whereas Zavok couldn’t. He mastered self control of his body and his mind/heart. In martial arts, and life in general, those are the two most important things to master. Once you’ve got those, you have little else to learn that is important). Having said all of that, excellent job. I look forward to your future episodes. Keep up the good work. Also, out of curiosity, did you take inspiration from Kung Fu Panda? I ask because I could not help but to notice some similarities: a young but optimistic and eager boy (Po/Espio) is taken as the apprentice of a powerful and strict master (Zik/Shifu) who pushes our protagonist to his limit, while he is being harassed/bullied/ridiculed by the master’s other students (the deadly six/ the Furious Five), one of whom is the superior of the students and really does not take kindly to the arrival of the protagonist, mostly because of jealousy (Zavok/Tigress). If you did, then I find that pretty cool, because Sonic and Kung Fu Panda are two of some of my favorite franchises. I was only curious.
*Man* I should've re-used that "We learn little from victory, but we learn much in defeat" line at the end, you're absolutely right! Gah! Missed opportunity! Thank you for all that in-depth reviewal of Hex Espio's character, and other little additions to flesh him out! And thank you for the compliments and words of support, too! To answer your last question there, regarding the Kung-Fu Panda similarity: That was honestly by pure coincidence! You're not the only one who mentioned that! But I guess it was a happy accident! 🙏
The Sega Scourge Sure thing. Thank you for thanking me. And thank you for writing these great stories. And don’t worry too much about missing that opportunity. After all, we learn more from defeat than in victory, right? 😂 But it all seriousness, it’s okay. Everything else is so great, the characters are interesting, the conflicts and motivations are believable, and all the other important components of a good story. It is like a great ice cream sundae, complete with vanilla, chocolate, syrup, bananas, and cream. I just thought I’d offer help and put a few cherries on top just to top it off. Since you did everything else so well, there was only so much that could have been fixed or added. That is enough to earn my praise. I believe you are certainly doing a better job than the writers in Hollywood, or even in Sega for that matter. Maybe you can use that line again in Part 2 or something, along with my other additions or character snippets if you’d like, if it works in context of course (btw, if you do use those ideas, could you please give me a shout out in the next part if you don’t mind? 😅). Nevertheless, I look forward to more of these stories. Good luck. Also, thank you so much for reading and responding to my comment. I was so excited about this episode and loved it so much, and I really want to see it go places. I also have a love for story telling. When I finished writing these changes and realized how much I actually wrote, I was worried it would be too long. 😅 🙏🏻
I’m guessing Mighty the Armadillo will take Espios place in Team Chaotix for the time being, considering he was also part of the team originally and they probably want at least 3 members.
It's nice to know Espio didn't lose his honor and purity, for a moment I thought he would actually go through. I wonder though, despite now seeing the Zeti as what they are, is he truly confortable being a part of them? I'm excited for the next part! Mostly because I'm curious about what the Zeti team even does everyday.
Perhaps Espio’s virtuous traits of honor and friendship will rub off on The Deadly Six. Not saying “fully redeem them”, but give them a closer bond and wanting to forge their strength through hard work rather than taking short-cuts.
Thanks for this video I just realized the worms have eyes lmao Also the ending bassicly refeclts Batman and Ra's Al Ghul and the Shadow Clan relationship lmao, nice
If you played as Espio in Sonic the Fighters you’d notice that he’s got a neat little top-spin attack like Crash Bandicoot. Might be cool to see that move again considering how strong he’s become in this story.
I love these kinds of videos! This one is a really interesting concept for Espio. You could be a really good book writer! Also I love how you did Zik, Zavok and Espio’s voices. ^_^
So wait, Does this mean that we're going straight to Lost World or are we gonna backtrack to Sonic Heroes? If Espio isn't in Team Chaotix, who will replace him? Maybe Mighty the Armadillo? Would that story play out the same way? What about the Black Arms invasion? How effective would the Chaotix be without their ninja? Also, let's not forget Generations.
I always wished there was some mystery seventh member of the Deadly Six for a sort of "Seven Deadly Sins" angle to them, but Espio taking up that role of the seventh member is just as awesome. I'm guessing Heroes and some parts of Shadow's game might go different if Espio isn't present, perhaps another certain OG Chaotix member or two makes a modern reappearence? *dun dun DUN*
This story has left me amazed. Espio happens to be my favorite character. Giving him such a deep backstory and awesome redesign, combined with a clean, entertaining video, has been wonderful. Please upload part 2 soon!
I saw the title and the thumbnail of this video... My immediate reaction was: "Uh oh." But i think these are awesome! I definitely like to see more though!
Here's some more ideas I have for the What If series; •What If Sonic never met Tails, Knuckles, & Amy •What If Sonic Xtreme was never cancelled •What If Sally Acorn & The Freedom Fighters were in the games •What If Hyper Sonic was brought back •What If other Classic characters (i.e. Nack & Team Hooligan, Mighty, Ray, etc.) were brought back in the Modern games •What If Classic Knuckles, Classic Amy, the Classic Chaotix, etc. were in Sonic Generations •What If Sonic met Crash Bandicoot (I'm *_really_* wanting to see you cover this one) •What If Project S.H.A.D.O.W. was based on Mother Wisp instead of Black Doom •What If Maria Robotnik never died •What If Sonic & Mario had a true platformer crossover game
The deadly seven makes a bit more sense for the Sonic series since 7 is a common number with the 7 chaos emeralds 7 time stones 7 Sol emeralds it was rather confusing when the threw the number 6 out there.
Ooooh, this is awesome! Really liking this interpretation of Espio! If I may, I’d like to suggest an idea for a What-if. I actually got this idea from a fanfiction on Archive of Our Own, so all credit goes to AnImaginaryColor for the story Sonic Leashed. Basically, we all know that when the planet broke apart in Sonic Unleashed, Dark Gaia broke apart due to not being fully formed yet, and Light Gaia became a small spirit for the same reason. And as we all know, that spirit was later dubbed Chip by Sonic. Well, what if the roles were reversed? What if Light Gaia broke apart instead and corrupted Sonic, giving him its own version of the Werehog during the day, and Dark Gaia became a small spirit with amnesia? Tbh I really like AnImaginaryColor’s interpretation of this idea, but I’d like to see your take as well :3
Honestly, this is my favourite Sonic: What If? so far. This gives Espio, one of my all time favourite Sonic characters, a really epic backstory as well as giving us some pretty cool set up for The Deadly Six. I also think it makes Zavok a lot more interesting than just Discount Bowser. Although, Zavok having fire breathing abilities does also further the comparison between him and Bowser, but I am honestly willing to overlook that because I un-ironically really like Zavok and just really wish SEGA and/or Sonic Team would tweak his personality a bit, like this what if did, to make him more unique. Because I truly do think Zavok has a lot of interesting concepts, from his badass design to his(and The Deadly Six’s) unique ability to manipulate magnetic fields to even his name, which sounds like havoc but with a Z! I really think Zavok has potential and The Sega Scourge might have just given us a gateway for Zavok’s potential as a pretty cool Sonic villain. Thank you so much, Sega Scourge😁! Mad respect😎👊! Going back to Espio, I really like his Deadly Six redesign, but if I’m being honest, I don’t think it’s within his character to keep them Chun-Li wrist bands. I think, and also hope, that Espio will eventually leave the six, removing their garments and possibly trapping them on The Lost Hex with some kind of ninjitsu art, explaining why we don’t see them for the rest of the series until Lost World. After that, he would gain his classic modern look or at least something similar, probably keeping his bandages and possibly keeping his nails, or claws, sharpened as they could be some sort of benefit. He would then find a new home and family in The Chaotix Detective Agency, bringing us full circle. I really didn’t plan for this comment to be so long, so I really apologise for that🤣. Things just kinda got outa hand when I started talking about Zavok. To end things off, I would like to ask The Sega Scourge for a request. I’m thinking of making my own comic some time in the future where I retell the Sonic story from scratch, from my own perspective, and it would be really awesome if I could use this Sonic: What If? as an origin for Espio. It would be really cool if you replied, Scourge, but if you don’t then that’s ok. I can just ask you again in what if Espio was trained by Master Zik part 2! Muhahahahahaha😈! Anyway, that’s enough outa me. Thanks for reading this long-ass comment😂. Chao😊✌️!
This series is basically just SegaScourge reading us his Sonic fanfics For real though, they're pretty fantastic stories, and if you are willing to accept ideas: What If Sonic 06's Timeline Never Reset. How would the series progress forward if the characters still remembered the events of the Solaris Crisis?
This what if has been in my mind for a while. Remember that trap Eggman put on Sonic back in Sonic Adventure 2 to where Sonic was inside a exploding capsule with the fake chaos emerald. Well what if Sonic didn’t have that chaos emerald while he was in the trap. What if Sonic actually died during that trap?
I wonder how the events that espio played a part in played out seeing how he wasn't there. Espio is a crucial part of the story and most events would need him. But I wonder if espio would fight sonic in the events of song lost world. Way past cool vid as always
First of all Sonic probably would have died by now. Also search for " where's my hero Sonic " or actually search that up " what if Tails never met Sonic " ( it's sad and dark )
I love this. Just all of it. Also, it's really that easy to change the story? Only "He heard about a different floating land mass"? Wow. Still, this is amazing, thank you.
I love this but I would like to point out the canon ages of the Deadly Six. In order from oldest to youngest; Master Zik: 1036 Zavok: 148 Zomom: 133 Zazz: 127 Zeena: 120 Zor: 112 that is all. Other than stating ages far beyond the canon, this is a really good theory!
Oh man, I can't wait for part 2 of this au to come out. Espio is my favorite sonic character and seeing him in this au with the Zeti just makes my all excited.
helena he just finished part two of the video check it out let's see fleetway clone try to rp me this morining but it told him no because i feel like it today and the story so great you'll love it also who voice zeena it's someone that we know so take a look if you had time
You're the guy who introduced me to the "metal sonic is sonic" theory, and its still my favorite theory to this day. So what if... The theory is correct and Metal somehow remembered everything? And what if eggman couldn't control him anymore?
This was well worth the wait. But perhaps he flip flops between Hex and Earth for training. Maybe Zeena takes an interest in Espio for passing up the Zeti title?
Even though this idea is so unheard of and so original, I love it! This gives Espio an amazing backstory, and shows his true potential of how strong-willed he is! Can't wait to see more!
I don't care what others say, the Deadly Six are a nice set of villains in the Sonic universe. This ruthless, powerful Zeti leading a team of quirky and colorful, yet inept and violent wackos is interesting and is at times pretty funny.
I've got an idea for a video. What about some sort of story about Blaze's backstory? Maybe be there could be some special connect between Blaze and Sonic (not romantic). They basically have the same job on their own dimensions.
What if future Shadow was freed in 06? Either by Mephiles who tries to manipulate him or by present Shadow himself. Either way Future Shadow would be injured, angry, and both physically and mentally defeated after everyone on earth turned on him. That or maybe he got amnesia again? Whatever makes for a better story!
Huh, now that I think about it. In the normal timeline, the chaotics are a three man team, because Knuckles was there just because he was the main character of Knuckles Chaotics, (obvious by the title), and Mighty is just . . . Gone. So this makes it where Knuckles chaotics would be a 4 person team. Would Mighty stay with Vector and Charmy to keep Chaotics as a team, and not a partnership? Since Espio isn't around in this timeline, wouldn't that change the personality of charmy and Vector? I point this out because Espio is a ninja, someone who is quiet and calmer about annoying times. He has to deal with Charmy's loudness and non-stop bugging, along with Vector yelling and forcing the two to do work with him for money. Since this timeline doesn't have Espio in the Chaotics, what if Mighty and Vector get along really well, and both ignore Charmy when he's annoying? Maybe Charmy will stop being his peppy and annoying self and become more quiet and keep things to himself more often. He wouldn't blurt things out because he doesn't have anyone to "listen" to him. Vector might be more laid back because of Charmy being more quite, and Mighty being around to be the "Sonic" of the group. The fact that a non canon timeline will get me goin like this is something I wouldn't expect from myself (-cough- cause of laziness.) So thank you for bringing these Ideas to us! I'm sure these videos take a lot of time to write about. Getting the characters personalities and actions on point. It's an effort that I wish I had! So thank you! 👌
I wonder if anyone predicted this is what the Espio What if was going to be about. I guess they'd have to pick up on the spike cuffs from his artwork. Also, this isn't anything huge, but since the Zeti have stripes on their horns, and espio also has a horn, I could see him painting his with some stripes too. Maybe silver to match the bandages? or another shade of purple?
It would be interesting how espio would incounter the chaotix and sonic.I wonder how powerful he is compared to main timeline espio.(Also I consider you the best sonic what if youtuber for your creativity and ability to add new aspects to pre set charecters
*This* What If Espio is *very* powerful! Possibly even powerful enough to contend with Sonic! (Also, that's an incredibly kind comment, thank you so much) 💚
I'm honestly disappointed that Espio hasn't gone evil yet. And, with him spending so much time around them, I would've thought he'd get some sort of ability similar to their magnetic waves, like a form of telekinesis. And, if he joined them, he wouldn't be effected by the Conch, making it so that the Zeti possibly never would've served Eggman in the first place.
I was always wondering what Espio in the intro was going to set up, and it didn't disappoint! This idea is pretty interesting, I'm looking forward to seeing how it affects the story of Lost World (or even an earlier point in the series, perhaps?).
I'm still deciding on *where* I'd like this What If story to be set when Part 2 comes around. So I guess I'll see what viewers would like, and base my decision off of the response!
Sounds like a storyline they'd do in Archie (R.I.P.) or IDW. Very good so far; I'm quite fascinated by Espio as a character, especially since he happens to be one of my favourites of the secondary cast.
Honestly I want to see more of these kinds of what ifs. Perhaps one where certain decisions lead a major character down a different life, like What If Shadow never got the Black Doom's blood, instead Gerald found his own solution to make Project Shadow a success.
Had Zik been written properly,having Espio to be trained under Zik would have made for some drama and tension we've missed since the days of Sonic Adventure. This would really elevate something else since Zik looks like he wanted to find potential in his own clan but never could he find it under the Zeti since well,they're single-minded natures would conflict his wishes. Zavok was close buuuut Zik like any other master in fiction told woulda abandoned him because he lacked something. This woulda caused some amazing fights with Espio and the heroes and Shadow isn't gonna be the only dark character there is since his story's already done. Let's see how Espio fares.
4:59 - Heh, Wonder World. This (episode premise) was a surprise, to be sure, but a very welcome at that. I guess all the people saying it would be about what if Espio never joined Vector, Charmy, Knuckles, Mighty, Heavy, and Bomb in the events of Knuckles' Chaotix were kinda right.
Just for clarification to anyone who might be confused about the whole "Classic Sonic > other dimension" thing that Forces introduced:
"Classic" is still part of the character's past, as established in Sonic Generations. However, a popular fan-theory suggests that Sonic Mania branched off from Gens; creating an alternate timeline/dimension. This is what I'm operating on for this What If, and any other What Ifs that may/not feature Classic versions of certain characters! 🙏
Request: what if Maria Robotnik lived
Ok but since classic games like sonic cd was based on time when sonic goes to the future of the zone how come some stages like stardust speedway scenery change in sonic mania
What if sonic stay'd in is dark form in sonic x?
What if Sally acorn was really dead in the endgame saga of the Archi Sonic comix???
Thinking about it, it was necessary. Otherwise Eggman would have already known what the Phantom Ruby was.
The moment Espio loses his honor is when he becomes an entirely different character. Just thought I'd throw that out there
@@Excelsior_Espio Yay! 😄
That’s my favorite kind of Espio AU. A jaded Espio
@@Orangelover18 😫
I MUST REGAIN MY HONOR!
@@RosheenQuynh so zuko
Ever since the Archie's universe was "destroyed", we kinda lost some stories of origin from some characters. Espio was one of my favorites of those cases: being a member of a secret clan of ninjas, son of the leader of one of the four houses, under the rule of the Iron Dominion. I'm proud of Espio, although he's been through a hard trial, his soul and mind wasn't altered by Master Zik's teachings, for four years. Will he ever be free from this place and return to the surface? If he encounters the Chaotix now, what will be his approach?
Miles Hk
Archie comics are a different cannon, still sad that they’re gone
Why do I imagine him being a gun agent and working with team dark.
YES some one that read the Archie comics!!!
@@goldenboybenny7511 you're not the only one
I didn’t know that about Espio
Now this is interesting.
Just from the title alone I can tell.
Espio doesn't even have a backstory really do giving him one is super cool.
I'm sold on this idea! This gives the Deadly Six more of a purpose and backstory. This makes me like them so much more as well as a cool development for Espio.
in the Archie comics in 2009 he is the prince of a ninja clan of chameleons that are experts in stealth espionage martial arts and Intel gathering his mom is their leader and he was sent to spy on knuckles and the freedom fighters but he learned to value friendship and trust by spending time with knuckles and the chaotix and cared about them after going on many adventures with them
everyone who liked my reply thank you
Why Is Everybody Royalty In The Archie Comics
@@Next-xm2dh it's not like epio is called or considered an actual ninja prince I was just using a figure of speech but his mom is the leader of a ninja clan and there are other ninja clans there's the raiju clan which are linxes and expert martial artists the yagyu who are purple bats and great swordsmen and another group that are spiders and experts in strategy and stealth
*Espio, looking at the lost hex:* 𝐼'𝑚 𝑔𝑜𝑛𝑛𝑎 𝑐𝑎𝑚𝑝 𝑜𝑛 𝑖𝑡.
never thought this would be a combination that works, yet here we are.
I'm really glad that Espio choose to spare Zavok in the end, but i don't think his future will be so bright from now on
He's got many trials ahead of him, that's for sure! 💪
When Espio used his tongue against Zavok it had me thinking,
The sonic characters should really use their animal tendencies and abilities
Yeah, except for a few of the characters. Knuckles for example?
Deadbeat Network true, it’d be weird to see to see a Cutscene with Knuckles just licking ants off the floor
@@3bay Yeah true. Or Rouge being eaten by some random guy, causing a virus outbreak across the Sonic World.
@@deadbeatnetwork9792 Actually, echidnas can sense electromagnetic waves. That makes sense with Knuckles having a strong connection to the Master Emerald, since his species can sense energy anyway.
@@makaylafloyd8156 I know, I was refering to a more.... *Larger attribute* of an echidna (If you know what I mean..)
Jesus, this story is amazing! Espio is one of my favorite characters and seeing him be trained by Master Zik and seeing the results of this training has made me absolutely dumbfounded. I’m really curious to see how things will be when Sonic, Tails, and Eggman arrive at the Lost Hex. With Espio there, I’m sure the story will take an interesting turn. I can imagine Espio seeing the devastation they are causing the world below, Espio wouldn’t want to have any part in using the planet’s power for evil. I can also see this as a way for Espio to turn against the Deadly Six by rescuing Tails, saving him from being Roboticized. And after the Deadly Six are defeated, they would arrive in Sonic’s world and be introduced to the main cast. Thanks to his new strength and Master Zik’s training I feel he would be a valuable asset to the Sonic gang as for Team Chaotix, I’m honestly not sure but it may be an interesting take on how they would all meet. Awesome Job as always, Scourge. Keep being awesome!
I have an idea to expand on this "What If?": since Espio is now part of the Deadly Six (or Deadly Seven in timeline), who takes his place in Team Chaotix especially the events of Sonic Heroes? I would suggest Mighty the Armadillo considering he was present during the events of Knuckles Chaotix plus it would be fun to see his interactions with the Adventure cast.
Mighty and ray don't exist in the modern timeline
I thought this was before that
keep note that this is before espio met any of the sonic characters
@@zestyvoyage2188 What if they *DID* in the Morden Timeline because it’s basically an alternative universe.
@@matthewramoszuniga2889 why did you respond to a year old comment?
When you said he poked zavoc in the eye with his tongue I forgot that chameleons have long toungues.
I just wan't to say, Espio is my Favorite sonic character, so it is awesome to have the sonic aficionado talk about him.
Excellent story, especially since you have basically constructed this story from scratch. I have watched your other “What if...” stories and they have all been great, but this one really takes the cake. You even made the fight scenes great; each character’s fighting style does well in reflecting their personality.
I’d just like to recommend two slight but significant changes, both having to do with Master Zik’s line, “we learn little from victory, but we learn much from defeat,” just to give that line a little bit of payoff in this story and to help with Espio’s character development.
1) Zik said that line as part of Espio’s lesson about his over eagerness. And you mentioned something about Espio going back to the desert to a lot to fight those sand worms. What if in his attempts of fighting the sand worms, after months and months or even years of that, he starts learning subtle but important characteristics about how they fight, their strengths and weaknesses, in particular their ability to sense vibrations underground? This is a good payoff for Master Zik’s line, because Espio could have only learned that the sand worms could do that after trying and failing to fight them, and after observing them for a long time (Espio is a smart guy and all, but after his rigorous training, the fatigue he is suffering from that is affecting his focus, and the fact he was caught off guard by the worms in the first place, I’d think he would have a tougher time figuring out how the sand worms operated upon first meeting them). It is through this process that Espio is able to defeat the worms; maybe he learns to stand perfectly still, not moving a hair on his body, basically becoming invisible to the worms (he masters total self control of his body, which he practiced via mediation). Then, when the worms are asleep or otherwise passive, Espio kills the worms while they sleep. Of course, this is dark and not honorable, but this seems like the kind of tactic Espio would resort being a ninja and radically trained by Master Zik. Master Zik is after all trying to get Espio to forgo his ideas of honor and righteousness, and this choice of tactics would reflect the impact Master Zik and the other Zedis have had on Espio (after all, the impact of Espio’s training is reflected in his outfit later, so it seems like this change would fit well).
2) when Espio defeats Zavok but refuses to cast aside his morals and kill Zavok (which I would like to say is an excellent character moment for Espio, good writing), and Master Zik tells Espio, “you still have much to learn,” Espio should have replied, “It is as you said Master. We learn little from victory, but we learn much in defeat.” Espio using his Zik’s own words here can work on many levels;
It can be interpreted as Espio has much to learn to truly be a Zedi, Espio is mocking his master by basically saying “you have failed to turn me to the “dark side” so learn that I will not truly become a Zedi” (basically pouring salt into Master Zik’s metaphorical wounds from his failure to convert Espio by using his own words against him) and/or since Espio won this fight there was little more Zik could teach him (not to mention that Espio won the true battle here in that he put morals and desire to do good above his quest for power and revenge against Zavok; Espio has learned to control his emotions, whereas Zavok couldn’t. He mastered self control of his body and his mind/heart. In martial arts, and life in general, those are the two most important things to master. Once you’ve got those, you have little else to learn that is important).
Having said all of that, excellent job. I look forward to your future episodes. Keep up the good work.
Also, out of curiosity, did you take inspiration from Kung Fu Panda? I ask because I could not help but to notice some similarities: a young but optimistic and eager boy (Po/Espio) is taken as the apprentice of a powerful and strict master (Zik/Shifu) who pushes our protagonist to his limit, while he is being harassed/bullied/ridiculed by the master’s other students (the deadly six/ the Furious Five), one of whom is the superior of the students and really does not take kindly to the arrival of the protagonist, mostly because of jealousy (Zavok/Tigress).
If you did, then I find that pretty cool, because Sonic and Kung Fu Panda are two of some of my favorite franchises. I was only curious.
*Man* I should've re-used that "We learn little from victory, but we learn much in defeat" line at the end, you're absolutely right! Gah! Missed opportunity!
Thank you for all that in-depth reviewal of Hex Espio's character, and other little additions to flesh him out! And thank you for the compliments and words of support, too!
To answer your last question there, regarding the Kung-Fu Panda similarity: That was honestly by pure coincidence! You're not the only one who mentioned that! But I guess it was a happy accident! 🙏
The Sega Scourge Sure thing. Thank you for thanking me. And thank you for writing these great stories.
And don’t worry too much about missing that opportunity. After all, we learn more from defeat than in victory, right? 😂
But it all seriousness, it’s okay. Everything else is so great, the characters are interesting, the conflicts and motivations are believable, and all the other important components of a good story. It is like a great ice cream sundae, complete with vanilla, chocolate, syrup, bananas, and cream. I just thought I’d offer help and put a few cherries on top just to top it off.
Since you did everything else so well, there was only so much that could have been fixed or added. That is enough to earn my praise. I believe you are certainly doing a better job than the writers in Hollywood, or even in Sega for that matter.
Maybe you can use that line again in Part 2 or something, along with my other additions or character snippets if you’d like, if it works in context of course (btw, if you do use those ideas, could you please give me a shout out in the next part if you don’t mind? 😅). Nevertheless, I look forward to more of these stories. Good luck.
Also, thank you so much for reading and responding to my comment. I was so excited about this episode and loved it so much, and I really want to see it go places. I also have a love for story telling. When I finished writing these changes and realized how much I actually wrote, I was worried it would be too long. 😅
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I’m guessing Mighty the Armadillo will take Espios place in Team Chaotix for the time being, considering he was also part of the team originally and they probably want at least 3 members.
Segascourge: arrogant, hot-headed
Me(being a weeb and such): *K A C H A N N !*
*"DEKUUU!!!"*
*"HALF-AND-HALF!!!"*
@[Rokaaholic] I can imagine that as well-
ok... I never thought this was something anyone would want to know about. Whatever. you gave us nothing but gold so far.
@Redz Of The Ultra-Kards i don't think this is an insult or anything. more of a passive-aggressive compliment
It's nice to know Espio didn't lose his honor and purity, for a moment I thought he would actually go through.
I wonder though, despite now seeing the Zeti as what they are, is he truly confortable being a part of them?
I'm excited for the next part! Mostly because I'm curious about what the Zeti team even does everyday.
Perhaps Espio’s virtuous traits of honor and friendship will rub off on The Deadly Six. Not saying “fully redeem them”, but give them a closer bond and wanting to forge their strength through hard work rather than taking short-cuts.
Evil things, one presumes.
Thanks for this video I just realized the worms have eyes lmao
Also the ending bassicly refeclts Batman and Ra's Al Ghul and the Shadow Clan relationship lmao, nice
Lol
If you played as Espio in Sonic the Fighters you’d notice that he’s got a neat little top-spin attack like Crash Bandicoot. Might be cool to see that move again considering how strong he’s become in this story.
I love these kinds of videos! This one is a really interesting concept for Espio. You could be a really good book writer! Also I love how you did Zik, Zavok and Espio’s voices. ^_^
The Lost Hex needs more origins and backstories.
Exactly, the same with the deadly six. That’s why I also dislike them as villains.
So wait, Does this mean that we're going straight to Lost World or are we gonna backtrack to Sonic Heroes? If Espio isn't in Team Chaotix, who will replace him? Maybe Mighty the Armadillo? Would that story play out the same way? What about the Black Arms invasion? How effective would the Chaotix be without their ninja? Also, let's not forget Generations.
ok no mean things intend but this is before he met the chaotix
plush master dude I know. What I mean is what would the Chaotix look like without Espio as a part of it?
that is interesting tho
In Sonic generations, he had the same use as a talking pannel in order to indicate where the two Sonic have to go (like all the other ones).
I always wished there was some mystery seventh member of the Deadly Six for a sort of "Seven Deadly Sins" angle to them, but Espio taking up that role of the seventh member is just as awesome. I'm guessing Heroes and some parts of Shadow's game might go different if Espio isn't present, perhaps another certain OG Chaotix member or two makes a modern reappearence? *dun dun DUN*
Yeah Bomb is making a come back. Killing the crew by bumping into them again.
Or a clueless ray?
Mighty obviously
If I knew how to, I’d turn your stories into fan-games
I wish! 🤯 That's honestly just kind of you to say!
This story has left me amazed. Espio happens to be my favorite character. Giving him such a deep backstory and awesome redesign, combined with a clean, entertaining video, has been wonderful. Please upload part 2 soon!
I need Sonic to show up and save this child. Then he can somehow meet up with the Chaotix, maybe they bump into each other during detective work?
I saw the title and the thumbnail of this video... My immediate reaction was: "Uh oh." But i think these are awesome! I definitely like to see more though!
Here's some more ideas I have for the What If series;
•What If Sonic never met Tails, Knuckles, & Amy
•What If Sonic Xtreme was never cancelled
•What If Sally Acorn & The Freedom Fighters were in the games
•What If Hyper Sonic was brought back
•What If other Classic characters (i.e. Nack & Team Hooligan, Mighty, Ray, etc.) were brought back in the Modern games
•What If Classic Knuckles, Classic Amy, the Classic Chaotix, etc. were in Sonic Generations
•What If Sonic met Crash Bandicoot (I'm *_really_* wanting to see you cover this one)
•What If Project S.H.A.D.O.W. was based on Mother Wisp instead of Black Doom
•What If Maria Robotnik never died
•What If Sonic & Mario had a true platformer crossover game
The deadly seven makes a bit more sense for the Sonic series since 7 is a common number with the 7 chaos emeralds 7 time stones 7 Sol emeralds it was rather confusing when the threw the number 6 out there.
Or because the Seven Deadly Sins is a biblical concept and a very popular anime.
Ooooh, this is awesome! Really liking this interpretation of Espio!
If I may, I’d like to suggest an idea for a What-if. I actually got this idea from a fanfiction on Archive of Our Own, so all credit goes to AnImaginaryColor for the story Sonic Leashed. Basically, we all know that when the planet broke apart in Sonic Unleashed, Dark Gaia broke apart due to not being fully formed yet, and Light Gaia became a small spirit for the same reason. And as we all know, that spirit was later dubbed Chip by Sonic. Well, what if the roles were reversed? What if Light Gaia broke apart instead and corrupted Sonic, giving him its own version of the Werehog during the day, and Dark Gaia became a small spirit with amnesia? Tbh I really like AnImaginaryColor’s interpretation of this idea, but I’d like to see your take as well :3
Now that was Epic, great work, gonna be interesting to see how Sonic and the others would interact with this Espio
Honestly, this is my favourite Sonic: What If? so far. This gives Espio, one of my all time favourite Sonic characters, a really epic backstory as well as giving us some pretty cool set up for The Deadly Six. I also think it makes Zavok a lot more interesting than just Discount Bowser. Although, Zavok having fire breathing abilities does also further the comparison between him and Bowser, but I am honestly willing to overlook that because I un-ironically really like Zavok and just really wish SEGA and/or Sonic Team would tweak his personality a bit, like this what if did, to make him more unique. Because I truly do think Zavok has a lot of interesting concepts, from his badass design to his(and The Deadly Six’s) unique ability to manipulate magnetic fields to even his name, which sounds like havoc but with a Z! I really think Zavok has potential and The Sega Scourge might have just given us a gateway for Zavok’s potential as a pretty cool Sonic villain. Thank you so much, Sega Scourge😁! Mad respect😎👊!
Going back to Espio, I really like his Deadly Six redesign, but if I’m being honest, I don’t think it’s within his character to keep them Chun-Li wrist bands. I think, and also hope, that Espio will eventually leave the six, removing their garments and possibly trapping them on The Lost Hex with some kind of ninjitsu art, explaining why we don’t see them for the rest of the series until Lost World. After that, he would gain his classic modern look or at least something similar, probably keeping his bandages and possibly keeping his nails, or claws, sharpened as they could be some sort of benefit. He would then find a new home and family in The Chaotix Detective Agency, bringing us full circle.
I really didn’t plan for this comment to be so long, so I really apologise for that🤣. Things just kinda got outa hand when I started talking about Zavok. To end things off, I would like to ask The Sega Scourge for a request. I’m thinking of making my own comic some time in the future where I retell the Sonic story from scratch, from my own perspective, and it would be really awesome if I could use this Sonic: What If? as an origin for Espio. It would be really cool if you replied, Scourge, but if you don’t then that’s ok. I can just ask you again in what if Espio was trained by Master Zik part 2! Muhahahahahaha😈!
Anyway, that’s enough outa me. Thanks for reading this long-ass comment😂.
Chao😊✌️!
This series is basically just SegaScourge reading us his Sonic fanfics
For real though, they're pretty fantastic stories, and if you are willing to accept ideas: What If Sonic 06's Timeline Never Reset. How would the series progress forward if the characters still remembered the events of the Solaris Crisis?
This what if is so cool combing these characters is awesome I would love to see a part 2 to this at some point
This what if has been in my mind for a while. Remember that trap Eggman put on Sonic back in Sonic Adventure 2 to where Sonic was inside a exploding capsule with the fake chaos emerald. Well what if Sonic didn’t have that chaos emerald while he was in the trap. What if Sonic actually died during that trap?
That was amazing!!! Part 2 definitely needs to happen!!
I wonder how the events that espio played a part in played out seeing how he wasn't there. Espio is a crucial part of the story and most events would need him. But I wonder if espio would fight sonic in the events of song lost world. Way past cool vid as always
Would his name be Zspio? (Pronounced Zes-p-o).
That is true.
Fair enough. :)
10/10
Interesting....
Could you do what if sonic never met tails
Sonic would be dead lol
@@Vivigreeny25 Who says he'd die from falling from space? Multiple times... Wait a second...
Who team sonic would be without tails?
There was a comic based on that premise called "Where Was My Hero".
First of all Sonic probably would have died by now.
Also search for " where's my hero Sonic " or actually search that up " what if Tails never met Sonic " ( it's sad and dark )
I love this kind of Espio, and I love your vids!
Thank you! And I love him too!~
Dude I've seen all of these and these should be turned into comic book series
Amazing story telling I am so exited to see what happens when Eggman goes there.
What if: infinite create sonic clones after the battle he has with he...
ola ke ase uzteht He.. What? He.. kills Sonic? Ooor..
*him, sorry i forget edit the comment.
I love this. Just all of it. Also, it's really that easy to change the story? Only "He heard about a different floating land mass"? Wow. Still, this is amazing, thank you.
I wanna see Sonic, or Shadow fight this version of Espio.
This is my new favorite what if. I enjoyed every moment and I'm glad this what if finally came out.
I'm super-glad! It's one of my personal favorites now, too!
i love what you did for Espio! Not many care about his character as much which is very sad to me.
28:54
Zeti: 🎵Black-hearted Evil!!🎵
Espio: 🎵Brave-hearted Hero!!🎵
Both: 🎵I Am All, I Am All, I Am!!🎵
Noice.
This is so oddly specific and random show me what chu got
Edit: I just watched to the end. That was climactic, bro!
I like how you gave the zeti some personality
I wonder of these Zeti are like the ones reimagined by Garrulous 64.
No Garrulous 64 zik cared about Zavok and would devinatly not let espio kill him.
The voice acting is top notch!
Here’s a What if suggestion: What if Sonic used the Chaos Emeralds in Forces?
I love this but I would like to point out the canon ages of the Deadly Six.
In order from oldest to youngest;
Master Zik: 1036
Zavok: 148
Zomom: 133
Zazz: 127
Zeena: 120
Zor: 112
that is all. Other than stating ages far beyond the canon, this is a really good theory!
I have to admit, I thought that this idea was horrible, but you really made it AMAZING! Can't wait for the next video!!!
I'm glad I turned your opinion around! And thank you! 💚
Maybe after these events maybe some of the zeti will warm up to him heck even be a bit more friendly with espio.
Ima combine this with garrulous64’s lost world rewrite to make my head cannon
Same
Oh man, I can't wait for part 2 of this au to come out. Espio is my favorite sonic character and seeing him in this au with the Zeti just makes my all excited.
I share your hype! Part 2's being worked on right now!
I just started watching your videos. I love the voices you do for the characters!
helena he just finished part two of the video check it out let's see fleetway clone try to rp me this morining but it told him no because i feel like it today and the story so great you'll love it also who voice zeena it's someone that we know so take a look if you had time
Should have a "What if the Deadly Six were incarnations of the Chaos Emeralds?" like people theorized before Lost World.
You're the guy who introduced me to the "metal sonic is sonic" theory, and its still my favorite theory to this day.
So what if... The theory is correct and Metal somehow remembered everything? And what if eggman couldn't control him anymore?
I love these what if's, keep up the good work
This was well worth the wait. But perhaps he flip flops between Hex and Earth for training. Maybe Zeena takes an interest in Espio for passing up the Zeti title?
How do you even come up with these amazing "What if" theories >:OO
no kidding this would be amazing if he was actually trained by the zeti!!!
This is a lot better than I thought it was going to be. Wow you are a natural at this kind of storytelling and I can't wait for even more.
Thank you Austin! 🙏
YESSSS
Espio is a super cool character! I'm sure you're gonna manage to make him even cooler!
My boy Espio! (Glad ur back and happy 500 comments)
Vector : we have knuckles, charmy, mighty, two idiots and what were the f*** is espió.
Even though this idea is so unheard of and so original, I love it! This gives Espio an amazing backstory, and shows his true potential of how strong-willed he is!
Can't wait to see more!
Waiting eagerly for part 2, very good start! A nice way to give some attention to these usually underrated characters
Oh The Sega Scourge, your voice acting is incredible.
I don't care what others say, the Deadly Six are a nice set of villains in the Sonic universe. This ruthless, powerful Zeti leading a team of quirky and colorful, yet inept and violent wackos is interesting and is at times pretty funny.
I've got an idea for a video. What about some sort of story about Blaze's backstory? Maybe be there could be some special connect between Blaze and Sonic (not romantic). They basically have the same job on their own dimensions.
this video is a great example of how to do a sonic what if that's both very good and very easy.
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What if future Shadow was freed in 06? Either by Mephiles who tries to manipulate him or by present Shadow himself. Either way Future Shadow would be injured, angry, and both physically and mentally defeated after everyone on earth turned on him. That or maybe he got amnesia again? Whatever makes for a better story!
This makes sense for Espio growing up as a kid, being trained to use his skills
I will not get over how much the What If? Intro slaps!
Yet another great What If Episode, bro! 💙
Here's My What if Idea,What If Mighty Was In Sonic Heroes.
Loved the video 😄 can you do a what if there were other werehogs in a hidden village?
When your so early you are the only veiw
When you come with under 1k
*Insert SEGA scourge impossible sound clip*
Nobody cares
Sdrawkcab bruh your late to this comment
Mighty should be espio’s replacement since he was up their in the post hex training giving more to another charecter in terms of story.
Request: What if the Master Emerald broke during S3&K
Huh, now that I think about it.
In the normal timeline, the chaotics are a three man team, because Knuckles was there just because he was the main character of Knuckles Chaotics, (obvious by the title), and Mighty is just . . . Gone. So this makes it where Knuckles chaotics would be a 4 person team. Would Mighty stay with Vector and Charmy to keep Chaotics as a team, and not a partnership? Since Espio isn't around in this timeline, wouldn't that change the personality of charmy and Vector? I point this out because Espio is a ninja, someone who is quiet and calmer about annoying times. He has to deal with Charmy's loudness and non-stop bugging, along with Vector yelling and forcing the two to do work with him for money. Since this timeline doesn't have Espio in the Chaotics, what if Mighty and Vector get along really well, and both ignore Charmy when he's annoying? Maybe Charmy will stop being his peppy and annoying self and become more quiet and keep things to himself more often. He wouldn't blurt things out because he doesn't have anyone to "listen" to him. Vector might be more laid back because of Charmy being more quite, and Mighty being around to be the "Sonic" of the group.
The fact that a non canon timeline will get me goin like this is something I wouldn't expect from myself (-cough- cause of laziness.) So thank you for bringing these Ideas to us! I'm sure these videos take a lot of time to write about. Getting the characters personalities and actions on point. It's an effort that I wish I had! So thank you! 👌
Bruh, this was amazing.
I wonder if anyone predicted this is what the Espio What if was going to be about. I guess they'd have to pick up on the spike cuffs from his artwork.
Also, this isn't anything huge, but since the Zeti have stripes on their horns, and espio also has a horn, I could see him painting his with some stripes too. Maybe silver to match the bandages? or another shade of purple?
It would be interesting how espio would incounter the chaotix and sonic.I wonder how powerful he is compared to main timeline espio.(Also I consider you the best sonic what if youtuber for your creativity and ability to add new aspects to pre set charecters
*This* What If Espio is *very* powerful! Possibly even powerful enough to contend with Sonic!
(Also, that's an incredibly kind comment, thank you so much) 💚
Weird how Espio ended up in that silly detective agency, doesn't really fit him.
I'm honestly disappointed that Espio hasn't gone evil yet. And, with him spending so much time around them, I would've thought he'd get some sort of ability similar to their magnetic waves, like a form of telekinesis. And, if he joined them, he wouldn't be effected by the Conch, making it so that the Zeti possibly never would've served Eggman in the first place.
What if Solaris "The Flame of Hope" wasn't blown out at the end of Sonic 06?
Elise would’ve been kidnapped probably
This time by fire 🔥
Very epic! Can’t wait for part 2!
Wonder what’s gonna come next! I’ll Make sure to vote for this!
I love this! Although, I think that it would be cool if Espio were to paint black stripes onto his horn to make him look more like a Zeti.
I was always wondering what Espio in the intro was going to set up, and it didn't disappoint! This idea is pretty interesting, I'm looking forward to seeing how it affects the story of Lost World (or even an earlier point in the series, perhaps?).
I'm still deciding on *where* I'd like this What If story to be set when Part 2 comes around. So I guess I'll see what viewers would like, and base my decision off of the response!
That is so good i want to hear more please do part 2 please i want to see more it's so fun to listen to this
Sounds like a storyline they'd do in Archie (R.I.P.) or IDW. Very good so far; I'm quite fascinated by Espio as a character, especially since he happens to be one of my favourites of the secondary cast.
This is a nice What If. Look forward to seeing where this goes :)
Honestly I want to see more of these kinds of what ifs. Perhaps one where certain decisions lead a major character down a different life, like What If Shadow never got the Black Doom's blood, instead Gerald found his own solution to make Project Shadow a success.
I'd really love to explore more massive character-shifting stories like that in the future 😀
Your Zik impression is on-point.
I am loving this. Please continue this and the robot's stories. I want more emerl and beta
Had Zik been written properly,having Espio to be trained under Zik would have made for some drama and tension we've missed since the days of Sonic Adventure. This would really elevate something else since Zik looks like he wanted to find potential in his own clan but never could he find it under the Zeti since well,they're single-minded natures would conflict his wishes. Zavok was close buuuut Zik like any other master in fiction told woulda abandoned him because he lacked something.
This woulda caused some amazing fights with Espio and the heroes and Shadow isn't gonna be the only dark character there is since his story's already done. Let's see how Espio fares.
4:59 - Heh, Wonder World. This (episode premise) was a surprise, to be sure, but a very welcome at that. I guess all the people saying it would be about what if Espio never joined Vector, Charmy, Knuckles, Mighty, Heavy, and Bomb in the events of Knuckles' Chaotix were kinda right.