Thanks for watching! If you're interested in the Pokemon Stadium 2 Mystery Gift quirks, as well as just obscure Gen 2 stuff, here are some links regarding the fascinating discovery of them! bluemoonfalls.com/pages/general/mystery-gift#trivia projectpokemon.org/home/forums/topic/63867-pokemon-stadium-2-mystery-gift-mechanisms/
One thing you didn't get into is WHY there are weird, one-off items when trading from Gen 1 to Gen 2. The reason is that Gen 1 has a completely useless field in the data structure of a Pokemon, which stores its catch rate. Gen 2 cleverly repurposed the same field to store the held item. This meant that every distinct catch rate in Gen 1 corresponded to a different item in Gen 2. Machop had a unique catch rate, and they had to make it correspond to SOMETHING... so they made a thematically appropriate (but useless) item, the brick.
One obscure item that holds a spot in my heart is the Berserk Gene which only ever appears in the Johto games and is only obtainable as a hidden item on the tile in front of Cerulean Cave. All it does is give you a +2 to ATK on switch-in but it confuses you. I actually got the item *banned* from a "competitive" format on Pokemon Showdown. The format being Metronome Battles, a meme format where you can use any Pokemon in the Showdown database with 600 or less BST with (almost) any ability and a moveset of just Metronome. I started running Berserk Gene Own Tempo Mega-Heracross (the highest ATK on a legal Pokemon at the time) and it did extremely well and it was *very* funny to watch people's reactions to starting with a +2 ATK buff with no clue why. Got banned after I hit #1 on the ladder with it lol.
for those of you that are confused the Metronome Battle format on Showdown uses mechanics from the current generation but also allows Megas and items that don't exist anymore, including Normalium Z you can use anything with less than 600 BST (as mentioned in the original comment), almost any Ability can be used on anything, all EVs can be maxed without limits, and the main condition is that the only move can be Metronome (Normalium Z can be used to use Z-Metronome)
1:24 you totally could trade them back, they just couldn't have learned moves introduced in Gen 2. That's one of the reasons why the Move Deleter was introduced in Gen 2.
I still think the pink bow should've been retconned in X and Y to boost fairy moves. It fits so perfectly and completes that set of type boosting items with all the types. Also there's no fairy move boosting item except for the pixie plate and it feels so out of place to use that when the pink bow already existed
5:53 Infact, that is why the Pokemon is not legal according to Pokemon Bank unless you make it forget Dizzy Punch. Gamefreak sometimes simply ignores or just forgets the stuff that the west exclusively got. It wouldn't surprise me that if this eventually leads to an embarassing mistake where they ban someone for a "genned Pokemon" that they simply forgot was actually destributed at some point 20 years ago.
They've already come up with a solution! If you move a Pokemon into Gen 9, it'll wipe their entire move set, including its history, and just replace it with their level up move set. Moves that were available in previous generations are now COMPLETELY inaccessible unless they decide to provide a means to get them again.
The Gold Leaves also returned in the HeartGold and SoulSilver, where if one Pokémon found enough, the opposite player character would make a gold crown for that Pokémon. They were called Shiny Leaves here, but their sprite depicts a golden metallic leaf.
Yesssss I remember that, I used to walk around the tall grass with my pokemon talking with them for hours just to get those, it just felt nice to have them
@@weirddeadkid4198what the hell are you talking about talking to your pokemon? Are you telling me that you literally talked to your video game? Thats autism
Surprised you did not mention how recently it was discovered that the stadium 2 dolls are unobtainable. It was just this year, prior, people simply did not know how to get them.
Yet another correction... The Polka Dot Bow and Pink Bow being different items allows you to use 2 items with the same effect. This allows you to "cheat" the Item Clause in Pokemon Stadium 2.
1:24 You actually can tradeback gen 2 pokemon to gen 1! They stopped doing that in Gen 3+ but a neat thing about doing this is you can get normally unobtainable moves for certain pokemon in gen 1! Like Amnesia Hypno, Barrier Porygon etc
If I had to guess, then it is because it would have limited their options because that would have meant to never increase the data of Pokemon. If tradebacks were possible, Gen 9 Pokemon would still have exactly the same number of datavalues as Gen 3 Pokemon.(Gen 1 and 2 don't count because the cutoff was a purely hardware limitation-based rollover)
They likely stopped doing it in Gen 3 due to: 1) The Gameboy and Gameboy Color are *almost* the same console. GB/GBC to GBA is a big leap in power, and interfacing between the two is very difficult (although not impossible - there's a video of a guy making a Gen2/Gen3 trade possible). 2) All pokemon had an entirely new set of values added on to their existing ones - Personality values. This determines things like Ability and Natures, and it would be impossible to perfectly conserve those traits in a cross-gen transfer. 3) Gen 3 was kind of a soft reboot for Pokémon. They got rid of the "Gotta catch 'em all!" slogan from game box arts - the trend of having every Pokémon in every game and having them all be compatible with each other is unsustainable long-term. The gap between Gen2 and Gen3 was just a prelude to Dexit, it was pretty much inevitable. Ok I'll stop yappin lol
@@gekigami1791Also, they probably did not want people to keep playing the older games. Pokemon's whole selling point is releasing 2-3 "versions" of the same game per gen. They'd much rather have you buying and playing another version than going back to an older one.
@@gekigami1791Also a detrimental aspect from a sales standpoint as well. The biggest goal in pokemon is completing the pokedex, how would they sell games like Firered, Leafgreen, Colo, and XD Gale of Darkness when people had easier and cheaper (at the time) access to the mons anyways? I just wish they gave us more move tutors in gen 3 to cover the loss of all of the moves from gens 1 and 2 we dont see anymore.
"for some reason" LMFAO you say that as if it's not obvious that the Pokémon data structure was completely overhauled in gen 3. What the fuck is GSC gonna do with a "PID"????? Like they could have certainly TRIED to make forward transfers possible, as Gen 2 doesn't have any data that doesn't exist in gen 3 the way gen 3 has data that isn't in gen 2. But there's literally no way backward transfers would work if they were gonna have forward ones between gen 2/3. The Pokémon would lose data going backwards to gen 2, and this data would be unrecoverable, to the point that the Pokémon's IVs would change if it had ANY higher than 15.
You could actually trade back Gen 1 pokemon from Gen 1 and 2. The held item slot is the data used for catch rate in Generation 1. You just couldn't trade pokemon or pokemon with moves that weren't in gen 1. Some glitch moves can be obtained by trading Kadabra, Graveler, Machoke or Haunter at from gen1 at levels where they would learn move introduced Gold and silver to GSC and trading them back.
There was one other gen 2 exclusive item you didn't mention, that being the Beserk Gene. This item acted as a self inflicted Swagger buff, increasing your attack by 2 stages while confusing you, which is... admittedly a really shitty effect
@@Jelly_shy_guy_manhe already covered a large sum of the lost media in pokemon though, so there wouldnt be too much to cover besides like... being the 50th person to cover the GSC and DPP beta mons
it was sorta referenced in detective pikachu though, because the R gas is made from mewtwo's genes and causes pokemon who breathe it in to fly into a confused rage
I’m pretty sure the Wonder Launcher mode is actually still available offline, just in the IR battle mode. EDIT: Okay, so after doing a bit of digging, it turns out the the Wonder Launcher is also available as an optional feature in Union Room Battles. So these items are indeed still accessible, even to Union Room purists.
I really wish there was a way to use them in PvE battles! I really love the sprite of the trainer holding the launcher, it looks like a Yu gi Oh duel disk lol
Oh so the Tentacool was a doll this whole time!! Another amazing video!! I remember seeing someone talk about the Brick Piece, that maybe at one point there was intended use for the guy building a house in Vermillion City. I guess we'll never know at this point!
I actually like the brick piece, because I think its a reference to the old man using machop to build something in Vermillion city. Also: Wish you'd mentioned the berserk gene! I thought it was a cool thing in gen2!
1:50 Silver and Gold leaves also sort of make a return in the Gen 2 remakes, but as a cosmetic item called the Shiny Leaf. It can only be obtained randomly by talking to you Pokemon in a specific set of Routes determined by its nature. If you get 5, Lyra will give you a Leaf Crown which will be displayed on your Trainer Card.
6:07 Unfortunately, with how Gen 2 cartridges work, the batteries that contain these legitimately-obtained Japanese Odd Eggs are without a doubt long gone :( Great video!
In theory, someone could replace the battery for a second GSC cart, then trade any important mons over to that cart to preserve those mons for longer. In practice, I don't know if any players back then would have had the foresight to do that. I'd like to imagine that at least a few players did it for their most special mons. There were some Mews and Celebis given out at the New York Pokemon Center that had an increased, but still rare, chance to be shiny, so I'd like to imagine that at least one or two of those might have survived to the present day.
@@alliinase9076 Im not sure even that would work, since dont you have to save before going to trade? Thats how its worked in every game Ive traded in. I have played gen 2 on actual catridge, but I never traded so I have no idea.
@@dialga236 Yeah, you would need to save, locking in the species and shininess of the egg. So you would have to sacrifice the special properties of the egg, but at least the mon itself (still a part of history) would survive.
Damn, I've never heard or even seen images of the last ones, it certainly fits the description of "lost in time" perfectly, literally the kind of thing you put in a Pokemon trivia to make sure no one can complete it😵💫
Correction; You can trade pokemon back to generation 1 just so long as; a) that pokemon exists in gen 1 and b) that pokemon only knows moves that existed in generation 1 Edit: Making a correction.
You can trade back to gen 1 Pokés holding items. But they obviously won't appear until you see the Pokémon using Stadium 2's Lab or in some Gen 2 games. For example, I to this day have my N64, Red cart, Crystal cart, 2 Transfer Paks and my Stadium 1 and 2. I simply put Dragon Scale for a Seadra to hold, put her in the Nintendo Box of the Stadium game, get it to Red and trade to Crystal. Because it is holding the item, it will evolve. I got my Scizor, Steelix, Porygon2 as a kid this way. For me it's incredible that people today don't know these little details, because for me that was common sense back in the day. I know that's because people never played Stadium games and have played others (like gen 3 onward), lol So, so summarize, you are completely correct in letters "a" and "c". But you're worng in letter b. :)
My favorite Gen 2 exclusive item is the Berserk Gene. It’s basically a free Swords Dance, but with a 256 turn Confusion. It’s a super interesting item, and it’s connection to Mewtwo is also interesting. I wish they brought it back, but nerfed the basically infinite confusion, and remove the confusion entirely if it’s held by Mew or Mewtwo.
I only know about the brick piece because I randomized everything and I found it at a pokemart. And the wonder launcher, I remember me and my friends fucking around with it. It got messy especially with the item boosts. It got really toxic fast
The Gold Leaves DID make a return in HGSS tho! Your pokemon could find them while wandering on certain routes and then you could make them into a crown for the pokemon if you found enough :D
Well now we know what they plan to do for a hypothetical pair of let's go Johto games. Maybe even add the Skateboard with your partner Pokémon at the front using different moves to bypass obstacles. I mean they did bring back the gold and silver leaves of all things.😅
you forgot gameshark codes: that’s the only way to get that lightning pattern bed,tentacruel and unown dolls,that also is the case of the other mentioned items.
Awesome video I know the Pink Bow was replaced with the Silk Scarf Few years from now we will talk about type gems, Mega stones, z crystals and dynamax candies from Gen 5 to 8 Should do forgotten key item for the bag as would be constantly reused like the VS Seeker during playthrough
I actually did see someone get the unown and tentacool dolls as well as the Pikachu bed. They could not obtain it through PKMN stadium because of this reason. And it wasn't completely legitimate. The RUclipsr had to jimmy the code in game to allow him to receive the three items. I believe they were the first person to 100% the collectables for gen 2
I have an objection regarding the lucky egg from gen 2. The 3ds versions now have the lucky egg AND celebi available, so its not rare anymore (unless you never bought it from the e-shop)
He specified the Japanese odd egg, which has different shiny rates. Not that it matters too much in practice given the international rates are still high enough to get any of the shinies. It's just a fun piece of trivia and lost history
"The catch is you couldn't trade it back" Objectively wrong. You could trade Pokémon back as long as they were from gen 1 and did not learn moves that didn't exist in gen 1 yet.
6:11 The answer to that is sadly probably none. The save batteries in the Gen 2 games only last about 5 years. So unless one of the few people who got the Odd Egg in Japan also had the foresight to back up their save file through something like a Mega Memory Card, they're all long gone.
Maybe my memory is janky, but I think I had an Unknown pokedoll I got from pokemon stadium 2 as a mystery gift onto my gold version game. I used to get nothing but dolls, and it made me so happy. Sadly, I don't have the cartridge anymore, haven't for a long time, so I'll never know if I actually did or not...
I think you should have mentioned the Berserk Gene held item from gen2 as well. A very strange item which you find where the entrance to Mewtwos cave used to be.
You could do triple and rotation battels on pokémon X & Y, people even used to push the limits of the 3DS on it, wuth 5 Moltres and a Tyranitar on the field to kill the framerate of the games
RUclipsr SirToastyToes has a full video on obtaining all of the Gen 2 stadium decorations. He does do it through some sneaky memory/ RNG manipulations but he does have those 3 items “legitimately generated” using only official, unmodified hardware.
While this is an old video I could think of ONE reason to want both the Pink and the Polkadot bow in Gen 2. And that is connecting to Pokemon Stadium 2. In the tournaments and such, there's usually an Item Clause rule, but with having both Pink and Polkadot bows, you have two different items which do the same thing, which can get around that restriction for multiple heavy hitting normal types on the same team.
1:26 No, the catch was that you couldn't send pokemon that didn't exist, or moves that didn't exist, or mons with HMs back to gen 1. There's a competitive battle format called "RBY tradebacks" where the whole point is to send gen 1 mons with gen 1 moves they couldn't learn before back "in time".
There actually IS a way to obtain the Stadium 2 trophies. Not sure if you're familiar with the Mario64 upwarp glitch. It essentially happened to a player accidentally. Despite hard efforts by the community and even a bounty nobody was able to replicate it. Some TASers (not sure who exactly) found out, that if they flip one bit of a variable from 0 to 1, they could replicate the bug exactly. Only there is no legitimate way the bit could be flipped by the game itself. The leading theory is that a cosmic ray hit the Nintendo 64 and caused the memory unit to glitch and flip that one bit. So if something similar would happen during the calculation of the gift you recieve, in theory you could recieve the trophies. The chances are literally astronomically low. But if we started now, someone could do it until the universe ended.
The cosmic ray thing is _not_ the leading theory, it's tabloid nonsense. The leading theory (if you want to call it that) is that the effect was caused by faulty hardware. Both the console and the cartridge were (from what I've heard) examined some time after the event, and they were in very rough condition.
I definitely had a big Lapras doll in my silver that I got from mystery gift on stadium 2 I wish I still had it in 33 now but I do remember sitting an talking to that little girl every day never seen the unknown doll or the surfing Pikachu sadly
To be honest I like how pokemon games reward you for stopping to look around an area or backtracking when you’re able to do stuff like use cut or surf or cut for example with items like healing items,held items or maybe a new tm.
HGSS also has something called the shiny leaf, that looks like a golden leaf but it's not an item that's added to your inventory or anything, it's just added to whatever Pokémon found it's status screen
The Wonder Launcher was certainly something I forgot about, I used it when I battled with my brother and he had no clue why my Pokémon were suddenly at full health again 😂
There's actually another extremely rare kind of mail! In Diamond and Pearl, there was a rare type of mail called Brick Mail that was only available via a very limited and interesting event distribution. The event was held over the GTS from August 19th-30th 2007. You had to deposit a Japanese Roselia in exchange for Heracross. Nintendo of America would then distribute the Heracross by accepting these offers. The Heracross given out would be holding the elusive Brick Mail. Only 90 were given out in total. Interestingly, there were apparently some attempts from players to sabotage each other, by faking their own interpretation of the event Heracross (information on what the real ones would look like was incomplete at the time of the distribution) and accepting other players' trade offers to get their competitors' Roselia off the GTS. This might have contributed to the discontinuation of GTS-style distributions, which never returned after the final ones in Platinum.
I remember someone saying the Brick Piece might have had something to do with the guy building a building with Machop in Vermillion City in Kanto, but the content must have been cut or something
surprised you didn't mention the Berserk Gene, a held item found near the Cerulean Cave/Unknown Dungeon's former location in gen 2. When activated in battle, it's consumed to basically hit your pokemon with a free swagger.
Some items were hints to later gens, like the mysterious souvenir. I'm sure they had plans but development of tech probably rendered some items useless
So what I'm hearing is that TPC needs to market a tentacool dool, unown doll, and pikachu bedpsread, but always be out of stock, so no one can have them.
The polkadot bow was most likely a nod to gen 3s contest taking, as for the brick, a machop is seen in vermillion city if im not mistaken helping an old man build something. It could be a nod to that pokemon specifically. .. like, literally that machop
I think they added the Pikachu bed and unown doll back into the VC copies of SGC. I have the bed and doll in my silver copy, and I don't know how to hack the game/I'm unsure if I glitched them in. I just know I loaded my file and saw them in my room's pc when messing around after a couple years of hiatus to finish the pokedex.
Fun fact, if you beat round 1 in pokemon stadium 2 you get a farfetch'd with baton pass which cant normally get baton pass in gen 2 and if you beat round 2 you get a gligat with earthquake for the gen 2 gb games which it cant learn earthquake in gen 2.
In a way the gold leaf also makes a return in HG/SS. It's not an item there though. By talking to the Pokemon that follows you it can happen that they occasionally find a golden leaf which will then only be displayed on the Pokemon's stat screens.
HG/SS had something very similar to the leaf Item. Follow Pokemon could find them at random and get a crown made of gold leaves when they found enough.
I'm a little surprised you didn't mention the Berserk Gene. A consumable held item that acted like a self-targeted Swagger. It only existed in Gen 2, and there was only one, which was found in Cerulean City. (technically, it is coded to always be held by wild Mewtwo, but since Mewtwo can never be encountered in the wild, that data goes unused) Upon the pokemon being sent out, it would consume the Berserk Gene, raising its attack by two stages and confusing it for 256 turns.
I didn’t even know that the mystery egg from the daycare existed. So when I played crystal for the first time a year back, I was like. What is this?! I wanted it to be a surprise, considering I knew they wouldn’t give a double Togepi- I carried it planning on using whatever it was that hatched. I was startled by the little cleffa and then immediately was like- ITS GREEN. WHAT?! That was my first ever hatched shiny Pokémon, and my god she was terrifyingly strong out the egg. She even became my key in beating Lance, pre fairy typing and she creamed him. I’m kinda bummed she’s forever trapped in Crystal, never able to experience the gigantic growing world of Pokemon- but I’m so happy to have her.
The polka-dot bow isn't useless, as official competitive tournaments have always used Item Clause ever since Gen 2, so having two items that have the same effect isn't redundant.
You COULD trade back a pokemon to RBY as long as it didn't have any move that didn't exist in Gen 1. That's how people get Aerodactyl with Rock Slide for competitive.
"The catch was you couldn't trade it back." This is explicitly not true, since Gen II is the only generation that DOES let you do that. However, you can't trade it back if it learns Gen II moves. It's worth noting that a Pokemon who learns a move it can't normally learn but is still a Gen I move (like Ice Punch on Alakazam) is valid, however.
I had the Tentacool Doll and the Surfing Pikachu dolls legitimately from Pokemon Stadium 2 on my original copy of Crystal (PAL versions of the games) - so it's NOT impossible. I'm pretty sure I also had the Unknown Doll Sadly they were lost when the save batteries died.
They may have fixed it for some versions here in Europe. However, for most versions it is quite literally not possible to obtain these items through their intended method, that has been proven in code.
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Thanks for watching! If you're interested in the Pokemon Stadium 2 Mystery Gift quirks, as well as just obscure Gen 2 stuff, here are some links regarding the fascinating discovery of them!
bluemoonfalls.com/pages/general/mystery-gift#trivia
projectpokemon.org/home/forums/topic/63867-pokemon-stadium-2-mystery-gift-mechanisms/
The brick piece was probably the inspiration for the Roblox game called Pokemon Brick Bronze
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One thing you didn't get into is WHY there are weird, one-off items when trading from Gen 1 to Gen 2. The reason is that Gen 1 has a completely useless field in the data structure of a Pokemon, which stores its catch rate. Gen 2 cleverly repurposed the same field to store the held item. This meant that every distinct catch rate in Gen 1 corresponded to a different item in Gen 2. Machop had a unique catch rate, and they had to make it correspond to SOMETHING... so they made a thematically appropriate (but useless) item, the brick.
Actually the brick has a secret use; it's the evolutionary stone used to transform Eevee into its secret Ghost type form /j
That's really neat! I like those little touches they put in that you wouldn't know about normally
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I was hoping BRICK PIECE would show up here
One obscure item that holds a spot in my heart is the Berserk Gene which only ever appears in the Johto games and is only obtainable as a hidden item on the tile in front of Cerulean Cave. All it does is give you a +2 to ATK on switch-in but it confuses you.
I actually got the item *banned* from a "competitive" format on Pokemon Showdown. The format being Metronome Battles, a meme format where you can use any Pokemon in the Showdown database with 600 or less BST with (almost) any ability and a moveset of just Metronome. I started running Berserk Gene Own Tempo Mega-Heracross (the highest ATK on a legal Pokemon at the time) and it did extremely well and it was *very* funny to watch people's reactions to starting with a +2 ATK buff with no clue why. Got banned after I hit #1 on the ladder with it lol.
This story is SO niche but I loved every second of it
I have never heard a more Showdown story in my life
wait but berserk gene doesn't *exist* in later games, how are you able to have it on Mega Heracross? They're mutually exclusive?
@@SnoFitzroy Abilities also didn't even exist in gen 2. I guess this format was a later generation, but the Berserk Gene was in there by mistake.
for those of you that are confused
the Metronome Battle format on Showdown uses mechanics from the current generation but also allows Megas and items that don't exist anymore, including Normalium Z
you can use anything with less than 600 BST (as mentioned in the original comment), almost any Ability can be used on anything, all EVs can be maxed without limits, and the main condition is that the only move can be Metronome (Normalium Z can be used to use Z-Metronome)
1:24 you totally could trade them back, they just couldn't have learned moves introduced in Gen 2. That's one of the reasons why the Move Deleter was introduced in Gen 2.
unless of course you use some particular glitches, then you can trade them no matter what :)
I still think the pink bow should've been retconned in X and Y to boost fairy moves. It fits so perfectly and completes that set of type boosting items with all the types. Also there's no fairy move boosting item except for the pixie plate and it feels so out of place to use that when the pink bow already existed
Gen 9/SV introduced the fairy feather, which boosts fairy type moves
@@MiguelSanchez-dw2kh oh, well the pink bow's always been there. They didn't need to introduce a new item if you ask me
@@LanturnsPannies GF likely didn't see the item was worth bringing back. Idk.
@@MiguelSanchez-dw2kh you're probably right about that 😑 ugh I can never have nice things 😔
Honestly, we could just have more held items that do the same thing. They already exist (like the plates and normal held items)
5:53 Infact, that is why the Pokemon is not legal according to Pokemon Bank unless you make it forget Dizzy Punch. Gamefreak sometimes simply ignores or just forgets the stuff that the west exclusively got.
It wouldn't surprise me that if this eventually leads to an embarassing mistake where they ban someone for a "genned Pokemon" that they simply forgot was actually destributed at some point 20 years ago.
They've already come up with a solution! If you move a Pokemon into Gen 9, it'll wipe their entire move set, including its history, and just replace it with their level up move set. Moves that were available in previous generations are now COMPLETELY inaccessible unless they decide to provide a means to get them again.
@@misirtere9836 That's kinda sh*t, but the type of stuff I am not surprised they decided to do.
I'm pretty sure this has already happened actually, but I'm not 100% sure
The Gold Leaves also returned in the HeartGold and SoulSilver, where if one Pokémon found enough, the opposite player character would make a gold crown for that Pokémon. They were called Shiny Leaves here, but their sprite depicts a golden metallic leaf.
Yesssss I remember that, I used to walk around the tall grass with my pokemon talking with them for hours just to get those, it just felt nice to have them
@@weirddeadkid4198what the hell are you talking about talking to your pokemon? Are you telling me that you literally talked to your video game? Thats autism
Surprised you did not mention how recently it was discovered that the stadium 2 dolls are unobtainable. It was just this year, prior, people simply did not know how to get them.
Yet another correction...
The Polka Dot Bow and Pink Bow being different items allows you to use 2 items with the same effect. This allows you to "cheat" the Item Clause in Pokemon Stadium 2.
1:24 You actually can tradeback gen 2 pokemon to gen 1! They stopped doing that in Gen 3+ but a neat thing about doing this is you can get normally unobtainable moves for certain pokemon in gen 1! Like Amnesia Hypno, Barrier Porygon etc
If I had to guess, then it is because it would have limited their options because that would have meant to never increase the data of Pokemon. If tradebacks were possible, Gen 9 Pokemon would still have exactly the same number of datavalues as Gen 3 Pokemon.(Gen 1 and 2 don't count because the cutoff was a purely hardware limitation-based rollover)
They likely stopped doing it in Gen 3 due to:
1) The Gameboy and Gameboy Color are *almost* the same console. GB/GBC to GBA is a big leap in power, and interfacing between the two is very difficult (although not impossible - there's a video of a guy making a Gen2/Gen3 trade possible).
2) All pokemon had an entirely new set of values added on to their existing ones - Personality values. This determines things like Ability and Natures, and it would be impossible to perfectly conserve those traits in a cross-gen transfer.
3) Gen 3 was kind of a soft reboot for Pokémon. They got rid of the "Gotta catch 'em all!" slogan from game box arts - the trend of having every Pokémon in every game and having them all be compatible with each other is unsustainable long-term. The gap between Gen2 and Gen3 was just a prelude to Dexit, it was pretty much inevitable.
Ok I'll stop yappin lol
@@gekigami1791Also, they probably did not want people to keep playing the older games. Pokemon's whole selling point is releasing 2-3 "versions" of the same game per gen. They'd much rather have you buying and playing another version than going back to an older one.
@@gekigami1791Also a detrimental aspect from a sales standpoint as well. The biggest goal in pokemon is completing the pokedex, how would they sell games like Firered, Leafgreen, Colo, and XD Gale of Darkness when people had easier and cheaper (at the time) access to the mons anyways? I just wish they gave us more move tutors in gen 3 to cover the loss of all of the moves from gens 1 and 2 we dont see anymore.
"for some reason" LMFAO you say that as if it's not obvious that the Pokémon data structure was completely overhauled in gen 3. What the fuck is GSC gonna do with a "PID"????? Like they could have certainly TRIED to make forward transfers possible, as Gen 2 doesn't have any data that doesn't exist in gen 3 the way gen 3 has data that isn't in gen 2. But there's literally no way backward transfers would work if they were gonna have forward ones between gen 2/3. The Pokémon would lose data going backwards to gen 2, and this data would be unrecoverable, to the point that the Pokémon's IVs would change if it had ANY higher than 15.
Small correction here: the Polkadot Bow wasn't held by transfered Clefairy, but transfered Jigglypuff.
Furthermore, the transferred Generation I Clefairy holding its item will be the Mysteryberry, which is the predecessor to Leppa Berry.
You could actually trade back Gen 1 pokemon from Gen 1 and 2. The held item slot is the data used for catch rate in Generation 1. You just couldn't trade pokemon or pokemon with moves that weren't in gen 1. Some glitch moves can be obtained by trading Kadabra, Graveler, Machoke or Haunter at from gen1 at levels where they would learn move introduced Gold and silver to GSC and trading them back.
I was precisely thinking about this. It's the whole foundation of the RBY tradebacks metagame.
This is correct. The migration system, where you could only trade forward, starting in Gen IV with the Pal Park.
Came down here to say this - definitely not one way trades, you just couldn't make something that didn't exist suddenly exist in the old game.
What happens when you trade back a Pokemon to RBY and then send it forward again? Does it have the item again?
@@vividbiomass620 that potentially sounds like the most inefficient farming method, and I'm all in for it
There was one other gen 2 exclusive item you didn't mention, that being the Beserk Gene. This item acted as a self inflicted Swagger buff, increasing your attack by 2 stages while confusing you, which is... admittedly a really shitty effect
Yeah, I believe the confusion from that item was permanent throughout the battle? Definitely a berserk item
@@PokemonWoopplease do Pokémon lost media
@@PokemonWoopPLEASE
@@Jelly_shy_guy_manhe already covered a large sum of the lost media in pokemon though, so there wouldnt be too much to cover besides like...
being the 50th person to cover the GSC and DPP beta mons
it was sorta referenced in detective pikachu though, because the R gas is made from mewtwo's genes and causes pokemon who breathe it in to fly into a confused rage
I’m pretty sure the Wonder Launcher mode is actually still available offline, just in the IR battle mode.
EDIT: Okay, so after doing a bit of digging, it turns out the the Wonder Launcher is also available as an optional feature in Union Room Battles. So these items are indeed still accessible, even to Union Room purists.
I really wish there was a way to use them in PvE battles! I really love the sprite of the trainer holding the launcher, it looks like a Yu gi Oh duel disk lol
I went in expecting you to talk about stuff like the Berserk Gene. Came out learning about a bunch of items I didn't know existed. Great video!
Oh so the Tentacool was a doll this whole time!! Another amazing video!! I remember seeing someone talk about the Brick Piece, that maybe at one point there was intended use for the guy building a house in Vermillion City. I guess we'll never know at this point!
That's a pretty interesting theory!
@@PokemonWoopplease do Pokémon lost media
I believe that was Droomish’ channel, not 100% sure tho
Fun video, thanks!
I actually like the brick piece, because I think its a reference to the old man using machop to build something in Vermillion city.
Also: Wish you'd mentioned the berserk gene! I thought it was a cool thing in gen2!
1:50 Silver and Gold leaves also sort of make a return in the Gen 2 remakes, but as a cosmetic item called the Shiny Leaf. It can only be obtained randomly by talking to you Pokemon in a specific set of Routes determined by its nature. If you get 5, Lyra will give you a Leaf Crown which will be displayed on your Trainer Card.
6:07 Unfortunately, with how Gen 2 cartridges work, the batteries that contain these legitimately-obtained Japanese Odd Eggs are without a doubt long gone :(
Great video!
In theory, someone could replace the battery for a second GSC cart, then trade any important mons over to that cart to preserve those mons for longer.
In practice, I don't know if any players back then would have had the foresight to do that. I'd like to imagine that at least a few players did it for their most special mons. There were some Mews and Celebis given out at the New York Pokemon Center that had an increased, but still rare, chance to be shiny, so I'd like to imagine that at least one or two of those might have survived to the present day.
@@alliinase9076 Im not sure even that would work, since dont you have to save before going to trade? Thats how its worked in every game Ive traded in. I have played gen 2 on actual catridge, but I never traded so I have no idea.
@@dialga236 Yeah, you would need to save, locking in the species and shininess of the egg. So you would have to sacrifice the special properties of the egg, but at least the mon itself (still a part of history) would survive.
The unown item actually is completely inaccessible and a mechanism to obtain it was never programmed in.
Damn, I've never heard or even seen images of the last ones, it certainly fits the description of "lost in time" perfectly, literally the kind of thing you put in a Pokemon trivia to make sure no one can complete it😵💫
Correction; You can trade pokemon back to generation 1 just so long as;
a) that pokemon exists in gen 1 and
b) that pokemon only knows moves that existed in generation 1
Edit: Making a correction.
You can trade back to gen 1 Pokés holding items. But they obviously won't appear until you see the Pokémon using Stadium 2's Lab or in some Gen 2 games. For example, I to this day have my N64, Red cart, Crystal cart, 2 Transfer Paks and my Stadium 1 and 2. I simply put Dragon Scale for a Seadra to hold, put her in the Nintendo Box of the Stadium game, get it to Red and trade to Crystal. Because it is holding the item, it will evolve. I got my Scizor, Steelix, Porygon2 as a kid this way.
For me it's incredible that people today don't know these little details, because for me that was common sense back in the day. I know that's because people never played Stadium games and have played others (like gen 3 onward), lol
So, so summarize, you are completely correct in letters "a" and "c". But you're worng in letter b. :)
@@Rafael_Oiticica Edited to be correct. Thanks for pointing that out
@@tpsplatinum3562 Happy to help! :)
My favorite Gen 2 exclusive item is the Berserk Gene. It’s basically a free Swords Dance, but with a 256 turn Confusion. It’s a super interesting item, and it’s connection to Mewtwo is also interesting. I wish they brought it back, but nerfed the basically infinite confusion, and remove the confusion entirely if it’s held by Mew or Mewtwo.
I wish mail was brought back. Instead of a Pokémon holding the mail, trainers can directly send each other mail through the internet.
You better call yourself oop because you always take the W every single video.
I like that
The Wonder Launcher was actually really cool, I remember doing battles online back in the day with them lol
I wasn't expecting a video about lost Pokemon content to give me an existential crisis. Nice job.
I only know about the brick piece because I randomized everything and I found it at a pokemart. And the wonder launcher, I remember me and my friends fucking around with it. It got messy especially with the item boosts. It got really toxic fast
Yeah, wonder launcher would have been pretty chaotic I can imagine
I want berserk gene back so bad
That would honestly be really cool. Wonder what strategies could be made
@@PokemonWoop berserk gene chatot ftw
@@nathancarpenter2809berserk gene + own tempo = mass destruction
The Gold Leaves DID make a return in HGSS tho! Your pokemon could find them while wandering on certain routes and then you could make them into a crown for the pokemon if you found enough :D
Least obscure lost items: mega evolution stones and other cool specific systems
Wow, I didn't know that about the decorations from pokemon stadium 2. I thought I had them all lol. Great video, Thanks!
Yeah, I was pretty shocked to see just how rare those 3 decorations were!
The style, information and passion in these are just breathtaking
Well now we know what they plan to do for a hypothetical pair of let's go Johto games. Maybe even add the Skateboard with your partner Pokémon at the front using different moves to bypass obstacles. I mean they did bring back the gold and silver leaves of all things.😅
you forgot gameshark codes: that’s the only way to get that lightning pattern bed,tentacruel and unown dolls,that also is the case of the other mentioned items.
Cheats don't count for the purposes of trivia - it wasn't that he 'forgot'
Love this content! I didn't know about a number of there. Thanks for your hard work on this.
Glad you liked it!
Awesome video
I know the Pink Bow was replaced with the Silk Scarf
Few years from now we will talk about type gems, Mega stones, z crystals and dynamax candies from Gen 5 to 8
Should do forgotten key item for the bag as would be constantly reused like the VS Seeker during playthrough
I actually did see someone get the unown and tentacool dolls as well as the Pikachu bed. They could not obtain it through PKMN stadium because of this reason. And it wasn't completely legitimate. The RUclipsr had to jimmy the code in game to allow him to receive the three items. I believe they were the first person to 100% the collectables for gen 2
I wonder if a solar flare could make those gift obtainable like it made that miracle happen in the mario 64 speedrun lmao
Surprised the Berserk Gene wasn’t mentioned, but then again i guess we all know how broken that item would be when combined with abilities
Another banger, keep up the good work 🙃 Its actually kinda awesome how you can find so many different topics to have these mini-style video essays on
Thanks! Yeah, Pokemon has quite a lot of interesting details to talk about
I have an objection regarding the lucky egg from gen 2. The 3ds versions now have the lucky egg AND celebi available, so its not rare anymore (unless you never bought it from the e-shop)
He specified the Japanese odd egg, which has different shiny rates. Not that it matters too much in practice given the international rates are still high enough to get any of the shinies. It's just a fun piece of trivia and lost history
Man I love your editing style and the way you narrate.
"The catch is you couldn't trade it back"
Objectively wrong. You could trade Pokémon back as long as they were from gen 1 and did not learn moves that didn't exist in gen 1 yet.
And here I thought the GS Ball was forgotten.
I feel everybody knows about the gs ball now
I think the GS Ball is in the same boat as the Azure Flute - lost but well known
1:17 you could 100% trade Pokemon back to generation 1 so long as it wasn't holding any items or hadn't learned any non- generation 1 moves.
6:11 The answer to that is sadly probably none. The save batteries in the Gen 2 games only last about 5 years. So unless one of the few people who got the Odd Egg in Japan also had the foresight to back up their save file through something like a Mega Memory Card, they're all long gone.
Mine all lasted longer than 10 years, but your point remains.
The soundtrack...king...I need it like I need air 😭
Maybe my memory is janky, but I think I had an Unknown pokedoll I got from pokemon stadium 2 as a mystery gift onto my gold version game. I used to get nothing but dolls, and it made me so happy. Sadly, I don't have the cartridge anymore, haven't for a long time, so I'll never know if I actually did or not...
IIRC, weren’t X-items buffed to be 2 stat increases in gen 6? Might have also been Gen 7
I think you should have mentioned the Berserk Gene held item from gen2 as well. A very strange item which you find where the entrance to Mewtwos cave used to be.
Interesstingly, Mewtwo is also coded to hold it when encountered, but it never is in these games.
i think since most batteries died in the gen two game cartridges then those rare japanese odd egg pokemon must be all gone by now.
6:44 That could be a miserable lie or an absolute fact depending if we are talking about B&W or B2&W2
You could do triple and rotation battels on pokémon X & Y, people even used to push the limits of the 3DS on it, wuth 5 Moltres and a Tyranitar on the field to kill the framerate of the games
I remember trading my Golduck from gen 1 into Crystal and when it was holding the Gold Leaf I had no idea what I was looking at.
7:41 I remember doing that locally offline with my friend back in the day
RUclipsr SirToastyToes has a full video on obtaining all of the Gen 2 stadium decorations. He does do it through some sneaky memory/ RNG manipulations but he does have those 3 items “legitimately generated” using only official, unmodified hardware.
7:40 I remember doing launcher battles locally back in the day
you could trade the pokémon back. just as long as they don't have Gen 2 moves
While this is an old video I could think of ONE reason to want both the Pink and the Polkadot bow in Gen 2. And that is connecting to Pokemon Stadium 2.
In the tournaments and such, there's usually an Item Clause rule, but with having both Pink and Polkadot bows, you have two different items which do the same thing, which can get around that restriction for multiple heavy hitting normal types on the same team.
if you simulated cosmic ray bit flips you might get the item after a few years
Telling me psyduck doesnt learn amnesia is the weirdest shit cuz i swtg that was its thing.
Madela effect gooooo!
If you make a sequel I feel like the focus band and zoom lens should definitely be discussed
1:26 No, the catch was that you couldn't send pokemon that didn't exist, or moves that didn't exist, or mons with HMs back to gen 1. There's a competitive battle format called "RBY tradebacks" where the whole point is to send gen 1 mons with gen 1 moves they couldn't learn before back "in time".
There actually IS a way to obtain the Stadium 2 trophies. Not sure if you're familiar with the Mario64 upwarp glitch. It essentially happened to a player accidentally. Despite hard efforts by the community and even a bounty nobody was able to replicate it. Some TASers (not sure who exactly) found out, that if they flip one bit of a variable from 0 to 1, they could replicate the bug exactly. Only there is no legitimate way the bit could be flipped by the game itself. The leading theory is that a cosmic ray hit the Nintendo 64 and caused the memory unit to glitch and flip that one bit.
So if something similar would happen during the calculation of the gift you recieve, in theory you could recieve the trophies. The chances are literally astronomically low. But if we started now, someone could do it until the universe ended.
The cosmic ray thing is _not_ the leading theory, it's tabloid nonsense. The leading theory (if you want to call it that) is that the effect was caused by faulty hardware. Both the console and the cartridge were (from what I've heard) examined some time after the event, and they were in very rough condition.
I cant believe i forgot about mail... I miss them now! Such a cute idea
I definitely had a big Lapras doll in my silver that I got from mystery gift on stadium 2 I wish I still had it in 33 now but I do remember sitting an talking to that little girl every day never seen the unknown doll or the surfing Pikachu sadly
Evolve eevee with a brick stone and you get a ghost eevee
Gen 10 ghost eeveelution confirmed??
To be honest I like how pokemon games reward you for stopping to look around an area or backtracking when you’re able to do stuff like use cut or surf or cut for example with items like healing items,held items or maybe a new tm.
Love these videos always so informative
Glad you like them!
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HGSS also has something called the shiny leaf, that looks like a golden leaf but it's not an item that's added to your inventory or anything, it's just added to whatever Pokémon found it's status screen
The Wonder Launcher was certainly something I forgot about, I used it when I battled with my brother and he had no clue why my Pokémon were suddenly at full health again 😂
There's actually another extremely rare kind of mail! In Diamond and Pearl, there was a rare type of mail called Brick Mail that was only available via a very limited and interesting event distribution.
The event was held over the GTS from August 19th-30th 2007. You had to deposit a Japanese Roselia in exchange for Heracross. Nintendo of America would then distribute the Heracross by accepting these offers. The Heracross given out would be holding the elusive Brick Mail. Only 90 were given out in total.
Interestingly, there were apparently some attempts from players to sabotage each other, by faking their own interpretation of the event Heracross (information on what the real ones would look like was incomplete at the time of the distribution) and accepting other players' trade offers to get their competitors' Roselia off the GTS. This might have contributed to the discontinuation of GTS-style distributions, which never returned after the final ones in Platinum.
I remember someone saying the Brick Piece might have had something to do with the guy building a building with Machop in Vermillion City in Kanto, but the content must have been cut or something
Yeah, imagine if that was an actual side quest in the game. Would've been a cool easter egg for those who cross-gen traded
surprised you didn't mention the Berserk Gene, a held item found near the Cerulean Cave/Unknown Dungeon's former location in gen 2. When activated in battle, it's consumed to basically hit your pokemon with a free swagger.
Some items were hints to later gens, like the mysterious souvenir. I'm sure they had plans but development of tech probably rendered some items useless
Great vid woop also seems like there’s a lot of forgotten gen 2 items!
Definitely! There's a lot of mystery in the first few gens
So what I'm hearing is that TPC needs to market a tentacool dool, unown doll, and pikachu bedpsread, but always be out of stock, so no one can have them.
Now that's a genius idea
@ 1:33
Actually, it’s “the Pokémon can’t have Gen 2 Moves” that prevents trading back to Gen 1.
The polkadot bow was most likely a nod to gen 3s contest taking, as for the brick, a machop is seen in vermillion city if im not mistaken helping an old man build something. It could be a nod to that pokemon specifically. .. like, literally that machop
I think they added the Pikachu bed and unown doll back into the VC copies of SGC. I have the bed and doll in my silver copy, and I don't know how to hack the game/I'm unsure if I glitched them in. I just know I loaded my file and saw them in my room's pc when messing around after a couple years of hiatus to finish the pokedex.
Fun fact, if you beat round 1 in pokemon stadium 2 you get a farfetch'd with baton pass which cant normally get baton pass in gen 2 and if you beat round 2 you get a gligat with earthquake for the gen 2 gb games which it cant learn earthquake in gen 2.
In a way the gold leaf also makes a return in HG/SS. It's not an item there though. By talking to the Pokemon that follows you it can happen that they occasionally find a golden leaf which will then only be displayed on the Pokemon's stat screens.
HG/SS had something very similar to the leaf Item. Follow Pokemon could find them at random and get a crown made of gold leaves when they found enough.
I'm a little surprised you didn't mention the Berserk Gene. A consumable held item that acted like a self-targeted Swagger. It only existed in Gen 2, and there was only one, which was found in Cerulean City. (technically, it is coded to always be held by wild Mewtwo, but since Mewtwo can never be encountered in the wild, that data goes unused)
Upon the pokemon being sent out, it would consume the Berserk Gene, raising its attack by two stages and confusing it for 256 turns.
Great video. That outro was tight
I was born with the berserk gene 😈😈 (really surprised it didn’t get a mention, it’s pretty bizarre)
It's definitely a unique item, but I feel like it's been talked about a lot already
"The catch was you couldn't trade it back."
Hum, you can trade it back, but the only catch is that it must not know any gen2 moves to do so.
I didn’t even know that the mystery egg from the daycare existed. So when I played crystal for the first time a year back, I was like. What is this?!
I wanted it to be a surprise, considering I knew they wouldn’t give a double Togepi- I carried it planning on using whatever it was that hatched.
I was startled by the little cleffa and then immediately was like- ITS GREEN. WHAT?!
That was my first ever hatched shiny Pokémon, and my god she was terrifyingly strong out the egg. She even became my key in beating Lance, pre fairy typing and she creamed him.
I’m kinda bummed she’s forever trapped in Crystal, never able to experience the gigantic growing world of Pokemon- but I’m so happy to have her.
the vibes of this video are immaculate 😌
here’s hoping that game freak does bw justice in any potential remakes
The polka-dot bow isn't useless, as official competitive tournaments have always used Item Clause ever since Gen 2, so having two items that have the same effect isn't redundant.
You COULD trade back a pokemon to RBY as long as it didn't have any move that didn't exist in Gen 1.
That's how people get Aerodactyl with Rock Slide for competitive.
"The catch was you couldn't trade it back."
This is explicitly not true, since Gen II is the only generation that DOES let you do that. However, you can't trade it back if it learns Gen II moves.
It's worth noting that a Pokemon who learns a move it can't normally learn but is still a Gen I move (like Ice Punch on Alakazam) is valid, however.
You CAN trade Pokémon from Gen II to Gen I, though. That's how the whole thing works.
Also, the Polka-Dot Bow is on Jigglypuff, not Clefairy.
I thought the Polka-dot Bow would be brought back as the Fairy booster item, but no we got the Fairy Feather instead,
You 100% could trade back pokemon from Gold/Silver to Red/Blue/Yellow. They just couldn't know any new moves and obviously had to be Gen 1 mons
I had the Tentacool Doll and the Surfing Pikachu dolls legitimately from Pokemon Stadium 2 on my original copy of Crystal (PAL versions of the games) - so it's NOT impossible. I'm pretty sure I also had the Unknown Doll
Sadly they were lost when the save batteries died.
They may have fixed it for some versions here in Europe. However, for most versions it is quite literally not possible to obtain these items through their intended method, that has been proven in code.
The background music and the tone of voice of the narration makes this entire video sound like a creepypasta 😰
8:05 fun fact these items are fully coded into sun and moon but there is no way to get them without cheating