Evan Rachel Wood on Past Relationship With Marilyn Manson | The View
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- Опубликовано: 13 мар 2022
- Wood tells “The View” why she details the alleged abuse she says she endured at the hands of Marilyn Manson, which he denies, in her documentary “Phoenix Rising” and discusses her advocacy for assault victims.
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I was raped when I was 19. Still too afraid to tell people. My mom even said no one would believe me.
I'm sorry to hear that
I believe you.
Sending big hugs and well wishes 💕
It would be good to start the healing process by telling people.
Tell a psychoterapist, please. It would be the start of something new and beautiful.
Your mom should have not said that. That is a terrible thing to say. Please seek help.
“If you hated her so much, why were you hitting her? Why didn’t you just leave?”
It just occurred to me that I have literally never heard someone ask a man that question, ever. Not once.
If we took violence against women more seriously, we could not only get justice for survivors, but it would solve a good portion of our societal issues.
I know! That one hit home
I agree!
Grooming, hoovering, love bombing, and gaslighting are all very real.
@@annmarieknapp2480 What is hoovering..?
The answer is easy. If they left then they wouldn't have anyone to hit. It's not about hating the person you're hitting, it's about the control you feel when doing it.
shh! let the FBI agent talk! 😂
Right?!!😂🤣🤣
Ahahahaha! Dude🤣
What did she mean by "I'm not doing this to clear my name?"
Like Amber did
She meant that she is doing the documentary, activism, and speaking out to educate the people, support victims, and change laws. Not just for herself.
@@cuteONE22
That's a f*** joke. She's a LIAR FULL STOP.
Didn't she date Edward Norton when she was only 16 and he was like 34??
Something like that yup yup and several other older men….
Edwards probably shitting his pants 😂 when is she going to flip on him
What is the point of asking this question? To make her look bad? People with big age gaps can be in a healthy relationship.
@@hollyjackson9648 a 34 year old dating a 16 year old is definitely creepy, that's not just "a big age gap".
@@hollyjackson9648 Not to make her look bad but to establish she is lying. In the documentary she claims Manson is the first man who kissed her.
Narcissistic abuse is the same :(
They break u they shatter ur sense of self
So true 💯
Yess.. I suffer from dissociative disorder thanks to my ex abuser
She hasn't been abused. She's lying.
She’s read up on it and just repeats it all to try and come off as genuine. She’s wrong in the head.
Indeed. Now there is a great saying in Turkish which I will be foreign enough to translate and it goes like so, "just because your father has a beard it doesn't make everyone with a beard your father."
Now that being said here's my assessment of Brian Warner's psychology from just a few hours of interviews I've listened to and his biography.
He had sex with men before he hit puberty and considered it a positive thing however when he did reach puberty his actual gender identity came forth and he didn't quite enjoy his testosterone flow and earlier memories.
He did say he lost his virginity in his early teens (14), I suspect that's what he just wants to say publicly. (In at least two interviews he makes a joke which sexualizes children. It's not the jokes themselves but there is a pattern of humor which somehow always puts the two together. We laugh to often disassociate a subject matter, this may be the case here. **edited** I wasn't aware of this before this comment so I came back to edit it but Bianca Allaine's accusations sort of point me a bit more toward this direction.)
This would explain a few things, 1st one is that he really hates women. He wants to break women down and torture them, cut his initials into them etc. because he wants to be them. (or hates them for not being them, why would you want to see your name bleed on someone? He also has a problem with looking at himself in the mirror. He isn't happy with who he is.)
2nd he always wants women to be as young as possible, possibly to remind him of his youth. (He mentions in his latest interview that he isn't quite grown up in his mind. Also his girlfriends are quite a bit younger than him.)
3rd his sexual experiences with men always accompany degrading someone, he makes jokes like, "wear a bib for the jizz". (I haven't heard of a single sexual experience described in fact where it's not degrading for him with men, and he isn't torturing with women.)
I don't think Mr. Warner realized he shouldn't have had sex so young and he is severely lacking the psychological education to see this issue. (His constant addiction to stimulants is an indication that he may be lacking confidence.)
It's also possible that he is suffering from gender dysphoria but I don't have enough information to come to that conclusion. It's most likely that he is straight and doesn't know it. (Maybe a real psychologist could comment here, this is the best I got)
In his mind he seems to believe that because his first girlfriend broke his heart and betrayed him when he trusted her it should reflect upon all women negatively but obviously the problem is with his gender identity.
He needs a good psychologist and/or knowledge on gender and sexuality.
He really is a genius, but unfortunately an evil one. The reason for that is religion failing him, according to him (not true). He went to a Christian school and really believed them at first (had a very fire and brimstone teacher). Finding out it's not quite as tangible as he had hoped in his mind gave him a reason to screw over anyone he wants. It's what interested him in Satanism.
He actually likes religion, but only in desperation and to rebel against. (He has a tattoo on his hands which proclaims it's faith that keeps him together)
Edited: Corrected "sexual identity" to "gender identity" (I did say I'm not a psychologist 😀 All my sources come from extensive Googling)
Women will swoon over the 50 shades of grey guy. They all chirp and lust over a book like that. In real life they'd love that guy, until the relationship ends, then the metoo lawsuits would begin. This chick was his girlfriend. Are women strong and independent or are they all helpless victims? Seems to be both when it's convenient
yes, every single woman swoons over that guy. it’s not like that book hasn’t been criticized millions of times primarily by women. you live in a bubble.
being independent and strong does not mean you can’t be abused, is your head missing screws? what kinda of comment is this:
Whoopi…I know you asked that question about isolating a survivor from their family in a kind way but…my family were my abusers I was isolated since the day I was born. Also, if you were born into this…how would I know differently. It has taken my entire life to learn and heal…and I am pretty old. 😪
Same.
I felt this
I was in abusive relationship where I became isolated as everyone backed away from interacting with us. ERW was not. She was a movie star before she even met Manson, and she was surrounded by caring, protective people her entire relationship with him. She had money, power, lawyers, and the paparazzi following them everywhere. She completed four movies while with him. She was never isolated. She is *stealing* stories from people like us and telling them as her own.
@@spiderqueen601 I'm glad you're not in that relationship any longer. Stay 💪 💗💗💗
@@spiderqueen601 I understand your need to feel heard, but I find it beyond inappropriate and just unconscionable that just because your situation may have been worse that you wouldn’t believe her. She even acknowledged her privilege and that it is much worse and more difficult for others, what more do you want? Would you rather her not be a voice for those who can’t or aren’t comfortable speaking up or do you just want to be the one telling your story on The View?.
Australia has no statute of limitations for crimes. That’s how it needs to be.
Good thing no crimes were committed against her
Most crimes do need to have statutes of limitations I'd say murder is the only one that shouldn't.
California also does not have statute of limitations for rape since 2017.
What if the accusations are totally false?
So you could be 80 and someone accuses you of sex abuse that supposedly happened 70 year ago and they just remembered it thru years of psychotherapy but they are also cenile. So you go to jail. Think about no statutes then.
You could already see this train wreck ready to happen
The fact that this is happening in the same timeframe as the Amber Heard trial is wild.
It is because both of the women were weaponizing the Me2Movement. Other leaders in the movement also falsely accused ex's. I am a woman and a survivor but when more than 3 of your leaders use Me2 to falsely accuse ex's as a way to bring down males they call too powerful, that is disturbing in another way.
She was into it at the time, now she regrets it. Lawsuit.
This has been going on for years though
He's using the same tactic as Johnny, although Manson is guilty.
@@frknordstjerne1306 Not convinced. Years ago, she said that most of the schtick was fake. Just acting for the camera. Why did she fake the FBI stuff? Why pretend to go to an FBI building for her documentary and why present fake FBI documents to people. There are several criminal charges against her.
The Statute of Limitations in reporting assault / abuse by doctors has an even more PROFOUNDLY small window. Extremely sad.
She was a minor at 19?
Did no one on this show do their research?
Drinking age is 21
Simpleton! She was referring to him giving her alcohol at 19! Do your research simpleton!
@@crystgh she did coke at the age 15 years old her drug dealer called her the snow queen because she be buying it every day
@@crystgh You can have an abortion without parental consent at 13, you can be prescribed life altering and sterilizing hormones at 13, you can join the military at 18 and potentially kill or be killed,...what's your point?
@@tiffanyl4829 I believe the point is that women, under no circumstances, want to accept responsibility for their actions. SHE took drugs and alcohol. SHE got into a relationship with a person twice her age who had a very well known reputation as a freak. SHE remained with him for several years. SHE agreed to be in his video and made public statements about how good the video was.
She was not a destitute person staying with her man because the only other choice was to starve on the streets - SHE had options. The idea that she can claim rape years later is, from a mans point of view, horrifying.
19 is an adult
So you saying she's lying?
@@amarillohendrix4207 yes. She became jealous after he got married. She killed his kid.
@@amarillohendrix4207 She's a liar with beaty eyes.
@@amarillohendrix4207 She's dumb. It's STATUTE of limitations, not STATUE .
@@amarillohendrix4207 You can take up for her all you like, but I stand by my opinion.
Oh this aged like wine.
Didnt she lie and coerce another witness?
@@grodo3487 didn't the witness say she wasn't coerced and showed evidence to prove it?
In his defense, he spent 2 decades showing the world he was an insane genius and a super villain. When was he ever betrayed as a sheep? Regret doesn't in any way equal assault...
she was 18 years old when she saw him as a sheep- because he convinced her that he was. Maybe you were old enough to see him showing the world who he was but she wasn’t even alive for 2 decades yet. Too busy learning to walk, talk, and graduating hs.
Why do they keep saying she was a minor when she just said she met him when she was 18? Wtf?
Because I think 21 is the age in USA that you are not considered a minor.
@@vanessacarvalho3639 False. The majority age is 18. Some states are 17. You need to check these things out before you make those ignorant responses. They said it, so you automatically went along with it. Pathetic
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I'd recognize a statue of Ahkenaten anywhere.
Not trying to choose sides here, but, she said something here that I found suspect. She said she was a “minor” at the time when the video was made-she was eighteen or nineteen years old at that time. She was a legal adult, not a minor.
She was 19 I thought that was weird to
She was 18 when they met
Minor in reference to drugs and alcohol..
@@NONAMEHOE nah she was using words she knew would upset people that is not what she was talking about and a minor is under the age of 18
I caught that and found it odd as well
Gaslighting is a basic manipulations tactic that's quite common in many relationships. And I mean relationships as in ANY relationship, not husband-wife but also between friends and family. A ton of people probably aren't even aware that they are doing it. I think that people need to be aware of what it is and how frequent it is used to avoid people who use it maliciously.
Well, Court showed today what to think of her.
3:28 she wasn't a minor at that time!
I think she meant she was 19, under age for alcohol consumption. She was talking about being inebriated.
@@jacksoncowsert6964 no she's using minor to make you think Manson is a pedophile, because that's what she has accused him of
Take their names and stardom out of the equation , if a 37 year old man came to our door to date our 18-19 year old daughter ,
# 1 I would clutch my pearls #2 we’d get out the baseball bat !
@@Tamar-sz8ox she dated Edward Norton when she was 16 and he was 34 before Manson, but nobody is talking about that
@@Tamar-sz8ox I think we need to remember that celebrities live in a much different world than us. They tend to grow up much faster and have experiences that “normal” 18-year-olds might not have until they’re older. Not saying that it’s right, but it’s just reality. So yes, it would be a red flag if an average 37-year-old man with a normal job was trying to date an 19-year-old college freshman but that’s not what was happening here.
All abusers have a pattern and yes you're never the only one usually
Absolute fact
You don't even know if she's telling the truth.
That might be true James but, in this case, she falsified FBI documents and used them to threaten women who came forward and said they suddenly remembered repressed memories about abuse that we didn't know happened. They also tried to plant Kiddie Prn but were caught. They also SWATed Marilyn sending many police with guns to his residence thinking they might have to shoot someone.
So funny.. on Colonel Kurtz channel you can find multiple people who never experienced anything like this liar claims.. his ex wife, Rose McGowan, his current wife.. never had this experience. Look into facts before you accuse. Are we living back in the days of the Salem Witch Trials again?
@@Mandy-nt2cs Her own interviews back then were all how wonderfully supportive he was and how he helped her gain confidence and grow creatively.
Sadly it's turned out she's a liar and manipulative. She should be charged.
She just called Marilyn Manson a wolf in sheeps clothing and that is fucking *hilarious*
Right, she's so insane and I am obsessed. These violent delights have violent ends
Wouldn't he be a wolf in wolf's clothing? He's never had an angelic image.
We live in amazing times.This manipulation has been suffered in silence for millenia.We have evolved as a people to point this out as a crime against humanity
There some serious question in Manson’s lawsuit against her and Illma Gore need to answer. Im eager to see this trial to the evidence, which some was already provided in the lawsuit brief.
100 percent. I've loathed Manson for over 22 years and a big part of me would love to have an excuse for his weird acting self to be out of my sight but I need to put that to the side
Id encourage everyone to do the same.
ERW was in a serious relationship before Manson and went back to it after Manson, she married , had a kid, split from that guy and used the notion MM is after her and wants sex with her kid to say she needs to take the kid away from her husband.
I want to see this trial too. MM has always been a creepy dude and I always felt he just made that part of his ‘image,’ to normalise his behaviour. I remember being a teen at one of his gigs, and later a festival, where there were whispers he was inviting young women back stage to ‘meet him.’
Of course that is hearsay but I felt like it always had an element of truth to it. This trial will be interesting in deed.
@@rubybuttons668 he invited alot of young fans backstage. Alot of them with their parents. He invited sick children too and gave them gifts. But you won't hear about that in the media because he doesn't film himself for others to see
@@yan0132 they won't even believe that because it doesn't fit their narrative.
I want to know why she's not going after Edward Norton who dated her when she was a minor. Like you have a potential blatant statutory rape suit there and you're going after your happily married ex. She dated a lot of middle-aged men around Manson too but they're not "groomers" it seems (grooming is a very specific term meant to describe the behavior as it is targeted toward a MINOR. Otherwise it's coercion/manipulation/etc)
I think I've been abused by my family for a looooonnnng time. I'm a 29 year old man. It sucks that I honestly can't do anything about it.
What do you mean you "think."
you think or you've been abused lol. there's no middle ground lol
What I mean is verbal abuse, manipulation, gaslighting. My family has never uplifted me. My parents go through a rough patch, it's my fault. My sister starts an argument, if I defend myself it's my fault. No accomplishment was ever good enough. I could be crying and not be able to get words out and I get chastised for not speaking. Any mistakes I make are like I've never done anything right. I can be unsure about what abuse can entail without people commenting like " wHaT dO yOu MeAn "ThInK" " it means I'm unsure. I'm so used to it for almost 30 years that it is normal.
An I apologize if I misinterpreted these replies as condescending... it just felt like I opened up and people take the opportunity to pick apart my words. Like I'm not intelligent enough because I'm unsure about abuse. I just don't know. Maybe I do just suck and the treatment I received all these years is well deserved.
@@bobthedopeman7327 Are your parents religious? Families can be very controlling and give the feeling you can do nothing about it. But you can, if it doesn't feel right get away from them. Could take a while to build a life away from them, but sounds like it would be worth the effort. All the best!
With all due respect something about how she is sharing the story doesnt sit well with me. I know I know I will get a lot of crap for this, but please note I have the right to my opinion and I am not in any way being ugly towards her or other victims.
I am a survivor of DV and I want to believe her but something just isnt hitting right and I can not pin point it. I also do not like the lack of eye contact it just makes me wonder why? I hope that if this is true that all the parties involved get the punishment and help that they need.
Your comment is interesting and ironic. Your gut instincts turned out to be right. I was on the fence about whether Marilyn Manson really did abuse her and now I believe he is innocent.
Agreed, your instincts are right. One of the accusers just came forward too about her experience with Evan and how it’s all a lie. I’m looking forward to the trial…..Evan is Amber heard but smarter and a better actress.
Marilyn Manson is capable of all kinds of heinous acts/crimes bcz it is in his nature, being demonically influenced as he is. He is over taken by demonic entities and someone that is possessed and influenced by demonic spirits isn't always going to be foaming at the mouth and speaking insanity, flying out the windows and looking like the exorcist. To believe that, I'm telling you right now that you are being completely fooled by idk what crazy info you inhaled that lie from. Satan clearly came to kill, steal, and destroy every one in this world he could get his dirty paws on in any possible way he can, and he for sure masquerades in many different forms and ways. And his worshipers, like Marylin M. are aware of these things. I understand most people do not understand or know anything about this kind of stuff but someone that is in such a lost and perverse state of mind, just as he MM is, this kind of situations are to be expected to happen. Just as a scorpion will sting cuz it is in his nature to do so. When you are filling yourself with this type of darkness in your life you will become just that. Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks, in other words what you fill yourself daily is what will show and reflect in your life and character.
Also, we can't say she's lying or that she's making this stuff up bcz many have different ways to talk or present the story they are telling. Reactions and the process of the way we decide to heal will look and sound different in all of us. We can't have the same reactions to the t.The aftermath of a traumatic event in someone's life will look different than others. We will speak different and talk about that trauma different depending on that person's level of healing or mindset and beliefs and point of view in life. No one knows about this particular story she's telling but her and the accuser, you weren't there, period. Satanic worship has a price, and MM discusting life shows that. Unfortunately, many do not know what it entails, really.
Demons do exist. They are real, whether you want to believe it or not. And they do not play games with anyone even though many do. You play with fire, you will get burned.
Jesus is the only way to a good life. He is the only one that can heal our hearts, mind and soul. He is the one that makes us whole and we are safe in His arms. Nothing will ever really work, maybe temporary, but not permanently and as good as Jesus could. You can comment your hate over my comment but that's ok. Just know I will not read or reply to anyone. Peace ✌️.
She's a lier. 100 percent. It's another amber turd situation lol
Just wanna say I hardly ever make eye contact with nobody ever I just look up real quick then keep my eyes Down and when talking about messed up crap or stuff from memory is the only time my eyes go up but still they go way up left or right when thinking still won’t make eye contact unless I feel someone expecting it and I’ll just do it here and there but if that’s something Evan doesn’t normally do then yeah it’s shady. But it’s been around for a while that she’s probably lying hasn’t it like over a year now atleast? She looks uncomfortable is she uncomfortable because she’s talking about messed up crap or uncomfortable cause she’s lying or is she acting?
I don't really get the "wolf in sheep's clothing" part. I've never seen MM where he didn't look like he was trying to look scary and on talk shows and in concert clips, he says the most shocking things I've ever heard. 👹😱
You misinterpreted what she was saying- At that point She was speaking generally about how grooming works & the patterns not specifically about him.
In her documentary she specifically calls MM “Wolf in wolfs clothing” basically hiding in plain sight behind his alter ego- meaning that is who he truly is & not just hiding behind an “image”.
Except a great many amount of people consider Manson to be a Sheep in wolf's clothing. His public image and pseudo infamy was the magic ingredient to make a break in the music career. Typical 90's angst hysteria exploitation. This case seems to be about a lot of smoke and mirrors. She certainly appears more credible than AH, but the fake FBI letter, the stalker/assistant that totalled his car, the fact that Wood was very young and into a lifestyle that doesnt exactly lead to retaining memory... dunno
so wait, he realy is a wolf? like a werewolf?
He’s a wolf in wolf’s clothing.
@@gamerspitt8089 He's a wolf in alice cooper's clothing.
Had I read some of the comments against Evan just a few years ago I would’ve never told on my abuser..
But would you impersonate an FBI agent and send out detailed lists of what to accuse him of to other women?
@@marymargaret3142 I presaved Harry’s new album have you?
@@marymargaret3142 - I would do whatever it takes to stop an abuser. Wouldn’t you? BTW, those accusations against Evan Rachel Wood are totally false.
@@p.t.d.505 The fck lol go look at her profile after she split from him. She broke his heart and rubbed it in his face. HER FRIENDS ARE STEPPING FORWARD IN MANSONS DEFENSE! Lol get real facts. Unless your paid to support her bull crap
Hateful comments 99%
Supportive comments 1%
W E Are Marilyn Manson fans & we hate her!
Why do I get the feeling her words are so similar to AH's words in the nbc interview, especially the part about having resources or no resources. Also, she deliberately chose not to answer the question about her fake FBI report. That's the problem with these talk shows - they never ask the hard questions. How easy it is for a person to make false allegations on a talk show...everyone is enabling her.
I started looking into the faked FBI letter she created and sent out w Ilma, which led to a a few vids about it w actual court docs showing its entered into evidence by Manson. Wood sent out requests to many other women saying that MM was being investigated by the FBI, and asked if they could add anything. The ex assistant of his said she accidentally allowed Wood access to the phone contacts which had most of Manson's friends and exes. Things are not adding up. Why would someone need to fabricate and phish for evidence and supporters. Many of the accusers have fallen away and some proven to be outright grifters. Wood and Ilma seem like AH and Barlow. The text from ilma saying that a documentary make her money, shot her credibility IMO.
She sounds like AH because AH studied what to say. Women who have suffered this, researched it, and been through therapy know this stuff. The difference is that ERW sounds natural and doesn’t skip a beat. AH was clumsy and jarring in her speech because nothing was authentically expressed. It’s insane that people are trying to call ERW a liar when there’s so much evidence that Manson is an abusive individual.
@@drawitout Evan is a much better actor than AH.
@@drawitout can you provide a link for this evidence?
@@patrickbateman7802 Ha. Not everything is online. He divulges a lot in his autobiography. And yeah, yeah, people like to argue “persona … blah, blah.” No. People’s chosen personas reflect them in some way. Multiple people, including men, have shared stories about his behaviour.
She's rocking back and forth.
Is the view going to be named in the lawsuit for perpetuating misinformation? For giving a platform to a proven liar and hoaxer?
The clowns on this panel are always on some type of a "Witch Hunt". All they do is whine about Trump 24-7. They are pathetic.
Go to the police, not the press. #1 Signs of a liar and attention seeker
Only 19? Come on
and yet when she first came out about it, she didn't name him and said why she didn't come out. she was scared because he threatened her.. by the time she did come out, it was for the Phoenix act because of the statute of limitations
There is no statute of limitations on abuse in Canada.
Too bad this allegedly happened in the u.s. shes just after his wallet
There should not be a statue of limitations. She is correct that there should not be a set time frame for reporting abuse.
That's awesome, but Canada still sucks.
@@juansempertegui3662 If you're from America, you are in no position to talk. Canada is in the top five for safest country in the world and also in the top five for highest quality of life. I'm not even Canadian, mind you. (Danish here but I've lived in three provinces for about ten years.)
@@jamk2668 and yet people still don't want to live there. The prime minister is awful and a proven racist. Please.
Brian Warner is married. Did she want to break up this marriage as well?
You are so Ignorant!
Well Whoopie’s shirt says it all: Nope.
I stayed with my abuser for 19 yrs! It took me a long time to get out. Still I fear I could go back if I don't keep up with therapy and with my support system.
🥺 I understand
What I’m hearing is , If my career is tanking . I should be able to sue somebody. Interesting her net worth is equal to Ambers !
Except she’s actually a talented actress.
I'm a SA survivor and DV..I have PTSD..I never came fwd to report my exhusband because I felt embarrassed and ashamed..it took me 7 yrs to escape my ex with our 2 daughters who were 4 and 7 at the time..
The SA was when I was 16..my parents did report it but the cops shrugged it off because I had been dating him for over a yr..LE caused me to feel ashamed and dirty just like I felt right after the SA..so I do understand why some people don't come fwd to report being abused..
The SA was violent and painfully horrific..
Sorry to hear this happened to you, tho am very glad you were finally able to get away. I don’t quite understand how the cops didn’t believe you or your parents when you were just 15-16yo, unless your ex was the same age? Tho they still could of stalked to him and his parents, if he was the same age and gave you an “out” at that time, if you wanted one or both sets of parents made you two separate. Yet it’s hard either way when that young. Big hugs to you and hope you & your kids are happier now.💜✌🏼🦋
Wow this is turning out to have aged badly 😳
Evan and Amber will be prison buddies fr
Two totally different people and situations. Amber was the abuser in her relationship with Johnny. I don’t recall ever hearing Marylin Manson accuse Evan of abuse. There are many women who were abused by Manson while Johnny doesn’t have that. Band members have verified Evan’s account. There are several other women who were abused and branded. What exactly would it take for you to see the difference between a victim and a money hungry lying abuser?
It's reasonable to wait until a trial to make a judgement on it, and it's even reasonable to encourage others to do the same. But you can do that without bashing her. Just because someone's body language, facial expressions, tone of voice, or choice of phrasing is "off" to you, doesn't mean they are lying. Your gut instinct on someone's intentions isn't always right, especially when it comes to someone you've never met personally. Also, "body language analysis" is riddled with pseudoscience. Just because a youtuber calls themselves an expert, doesn't mean they are a reliable source of information.
We are all entitled to our impression of a person.
Ok. If that's what you want to believe.
I've been supporting Johnny from day one. He seemed obviously innocent to me. This woman, I'm not sure about, but what I am sure about is... Innocent until proven guilty. That has to go both ways. Innocent of rape and innocent of defamation.
Let's never return to "believe all women", though. That principle has ruined lives.
agreed. her body language by the way is very telling. she sways, she clenches her jaw, she breathes deep- that is the body language of someone who is still scared and fighting through the memory.
@@hazelprouty7320 Yeah, for sure. As someone who self-soothes, I picked up on a lot of those behaviours from Wood. Kinda sad seeing these comments where everyone thinks they have learned lessons about being impartial and unbiased from the Depp case, but are quick to project their anger at Amber Heard’s behaviour onto unrelated cases.
Part about statue of limitations…so true! Great point
“Trauma doesn’t make you stronger but it makes you funnier” ?? She’s not really that funny
As a survivor I don’t want to say don’t believe, rather listen but verify. Those who selfishly make false allegations harm real victims & put them in serious danger. If false accusations received the same penalty as the defendant would if found guilty, it would stop the majority of false accusations. Just as abuse destroys lives so does feigning it.
TOTALLY!!! I AM FURIOUS about this. Between ERW and Amber Heard, the campaign to help real victims has been extremely damaged.
Facts
As a survivor, I agree. We can't make the legal progress necessary without verification.
The court system would buckle if we had to punish all the fakers and liars. Thousands upon thousands of extra court cases.
@@richardknows6763 Maybe we should end the war on drugs and start punishing those who actually hurt others...at least marijuana and ecstasy....and free up the muscle needed. You do know that every rape case that doesn't result in a conviction isn't necessarily a faker though right? Rape can be very hard to prove and rapists DO walk free.
(Pretty little liars)
Lets hope her dog didn't step on a bee.
😂
Lets see how this plays out in court.
I don't think he's guilty.
You should watch the documentary
There are a lot of women accusing him of abuse.
It's very telling and very interesting that nobody bothered to mention how her and her girlfriend impersonated an FBI agent trying to intimidate Marilyn Manson and also failed to mention how her and her girlfriend got into his computers and we're actively trying to download inappropriate pornography to get him also caught up in the FBI is involved in all of these as we speak for the lawsuit coming up interesting that she didn't bring it up an interesting that nobody on The View bothered to ask her about all the crazy things her and her girlfriend have been doing to the men in This Woman's life the father of her children as well as her ex-husband these two women have been going on a spree of trying to bring legal problems on to not only the father of her child but also Marilyn Manson and they've been doing it for years
@@lorenapim I didn't watch the documentary of Lies but I think it's interesting I'm sure they didn't bother to mention her pretending to be an FBI agent and impersonating an FBI agent and being investigated for impersonating an FBI agent word trying to break into Marilyn Manson accounts to download pornography to turn into the FBI they didn't include any of that because we're dealing with an unstable person
People are saying so much has to do with the age gap and him giving her alcohol ect. She was doing that before Manson. Abuse and their age difference has no space here. She's accusing him of abuse, which has nothing to do with their age gap, even if all the things she's accusing him of doing were true. It would be "it either happened or didn't" and she's proven nothing. Except for proving she's lied and keeps lying. It would help if more ACTUAL REAL survivors were considered to be the ones to speak publicly about their abuse.(if they wanted to) Not Evan Rachel Wood or Amber Heard pretending and using real victims or Survivor's stories for their own gain. I said what I said. 🤷🏻♀️ Evan Rachel Wood has been caught lying many times.
I admire this woman sharing her story, but I have 2 admit that having read MM lawsuit, it has me at odds. Also, the issue with her letting her son's dad see him... the FBI letter is never mentioned but was included in her hearings relating to custody..jum...
She’s a sick malicious liar. Don’t let her innocent act fool you.
She is friends with Amber Turd! Let that sink in!!! Once I heard that she lost all credibility in my eyes!!
@@natashagattis5694 Ridiculous of you tbh
ERW is a shameless liar. Hoping MM gets Justice. #StandByYourManson
Lol the story of the FBI lecter is a big fake, debunkered tons of times 😂 She is telling the truth, everyone who knows how the abuse uses to work or having a psychological dynamics knowledge is well aware of that. Don't pay attention to the ordinary patriarchal, misogynist mind set of those who justify a man just because he is famous and rich.
She doesn’t make much eye contact. She’s so sussy
Is she really lying about this? Cause she should feel really terrible about herself smh
She literally slips and says she's not doing all this to clear her name...like isn't that something perpetrators usually say not victims?
she said that because people have been going after her ever since she named him. and they're still doing it now.
@JFMuni Yeah if you followed his lawsuits against her at all her settling didn't mean she was telling the truth it actually meant the opposite and other "accusers" she solicited to get involved have come forward and given interviews not only admitting that they lied about him but that this horrible woman and her girlfriend at the time sought her out and convinced her to lie with them. Sounds super credible.
"when you are enebriated like that you can't consent, especially as a minor". She was 19yo so why add "especially as a minor"?????
I caught that too. Underaged drinking maybe? But that is a talking point that is a straight up lie.
@@RedsMyFavoriteColor underage drinking in the US. If that video was made anywhere else it would be legal, most places are 16-18.
I think she meant because she was drunk. She said it in the context of "you can't consent when you're drunk" and emphasizing that it's the case especially when you are legally too young to be drinking.
Yeah the very fact is she's trying to call herself a minor and paint that picture in there it is is all the proof anyone need she's full of crap furthermore the fact that her and her girlfriend tried to get into Marilyn Manson's computer and accounts to download child pronography to turn over to the FBI is also very telling and also the fact that her and her girlfriend impersonating an FBI agent trying to intimidate Marilyn Manson is also very telling these are all facts and proof that Marilyn Manson has on his side and will be using against her out you should this woman is garbage and the fact that they show gives a platform to women like this is disgusting they haven't even done their due diligence see the evidence against her before they aired her and let her pretend to be another victim just like turd
@@gabriella7050 I think she just can't keep her lies straight tbh.
What an obscene hateful performance
Zilch!
Good Lord. This needs to be in a Court of Law....not in the court of public opinion because basically she could be lying.
@Leeja🥀🌸 Well great....just what we need. Another one. I still believe anyone making allegations against someone like this should have to take it to Court.
@@plsavage A lot of ppl do it to get money.
Did she really just describe him as a wolf in sheep's clothing?
Maybe she meant a sheep in wolf's clothing!!
Whats wrong with that?
@Nd O he's more of a wolf in wolf's clothing imo 😅
😂😂right? Werewolf in wolf’s clothing Maybe
No, she said 'groomers' are wolves in sheep's clothing.
Why didn't you ask her about Edward Norton actually grooming her as a minor he dated her while he was an adult & she was a Minor.
oh no, really?! I had NO idea
fake account
@@hbassey Yeah, Really.
Because what is the relevance? She's talking about an abusive relationship she was in with an entirely different person.
She said she was 18 and so did he. So you know nothing
Textbook gaslighter on a feminist talk show. It's ironic that this show is giving her the opportunity and clout for her to continue lying and defaming a man. These women wouldn't get Manson's side of the story. Because it's only for women? It's sad that everything is now cherry picked.
Is this why amber heard is using Marilyn Manson name sooo often in their trial?!?!
I think she was hoping for guilt by association because him and Johnny were friends.
@@debbiedeering7998
Agreed!
ha ha embecile
You can't consent as a minor? YOU WERE 19, YOU WEREN'T A MINOR. Something about this is fishy!
She means the drinking age. It’s 21 in the US. She shouldn’t have been supplied with alcohol / drugs.
@@chiarodiluna but she specifically said you can't CONSENT in reference to the sex she alleged happened during the filming of the music video. She said something to the effect of "I was 19, still a minor, I couldn't legally consent". Most people start drinking while they are underage in the US, I had my first swigs of booze at 16 as did most people I know. Seems odd to couch the statement that you were publicly raped with referencing that you were still under the legal drinking age as though anyone in this country really cares about someone who is slightly under the legal drinking age drinking.
Edit: The time stamp is specifically about 3:25 into the video, and she said that "When you're inebriated you can't consent, especially as a minor". 19 year olds are at least legally considered adults, not minors, it's odd that she's portraying herself as a minor as if to illicit sympathy. I can't speak much on the credibility of these claims but it's strange to me that this whole room of cameramen, directors, producers, staff and crew just sat around as Manson had actual sex with a girl who was so inebriated she couldn't consent.
Edit 2: seen the sex scene in the music video. Rachel wood is on top of Manson and is moving around and moving her hips to simulate the act of "riding" him, he is never on top, she is in the scene being the sexually aggressive person. Doesn't look inebriated and I see nothing that lines up with the idea that Manson was forcing herself on her, people who are too drunk to consent aren't usually that active in their participation. My understanding is that is was simulated anyway and there are no corroborating witnesses saying that it wasn't simulated.
@@chiarodiluna Which she willing took, and was well into way before she met Manson. Also nobody that was on set for the Heart Shaped Glasses shoot, which she alleges she was drugged and graped saw anything out of the ordinary. Evan says she was unable to consent and if that was the case, it would have been criminally obvious to anyone involved. A lot doesn't add up with her claims, and Manson is the easiest target to demonize without any proof of anything other than a consensual relationship, that lasted years in her case. Dita spent 7 years with him and admits she left because of him not wanting help for his drug use, and infidelity. A good reason to leave but she made sure to point out she never experienced any abusive behaviour towards her, or anyone else. Evan will be held to account eventually.
@@communingwithGod best I can tell she was a fan of Manson who got brought into his life. They were together for a few years and at one point we're engaged before she apparently broke it off. People around her noted some strange behavior from her, particularly a "blood fetish" she had. There is some strangeness in this whole story is all I'll say.
She was 17 when the video was made. Do your research
In the United States as of 1995, minor is generally legally defined as a person under the age of 18. However, in the context of alcohol or gambling laws, people under the age of 21 may also sometimes be referred to as minors.
Legally defined as an a adult at 18 unless they want to convict a kid for a crime then suddenly they are mature enough to be judged as an adult
The problem is victims don’t talk like this, activists do. She isn’t helping her case
Oh ok
She’s an effective activist because the subject and issue at hand is being discussed openly now.
@@maebeline2496 Ehh, what ? She first met him at a party in 2005 when she was 18.
Ok, Dear...but you were NOT " a minor " at 19 yrs old !!! So what other half truths or lies are u telling ??
We have to wait and see what happens in court. Don't jump to conclusions when you don't have all the facts!🎭
When is the court?
I'll wait for court, but she's friends with AH and saying almost the same things. However, I do appreciate that she says DV is not gender specific.
There’s a huge difference between AH and Evan. Evan has been working the rights of SA survivors in California long before she named him. Her story never changed.
I agree, innocent until proven guilty, although this case is about defamation.
I think AH lied (as did the jury) and I think Evan isn’t lying.
@@michellethomas1475 yeah they all had dinner once… doesnt mean her and amber are friends.
She wasn't a minor. She was 20 when hearts shape glasses was filmed. Like literally in this interview She contradicted herself minutes later like 10 times.
Ya she’s a liar! It’s just so obvious!!! She can’t even keep proper eye contact! Really Sus! And she didn’t even answer the questions about the forged FBI documents or other lies that she was accused of! She just pussyfooted around them! All in all the Truth will prevail, it always does (look at Johnny & Amber) and she will be caught red handed just like amber for all her scams and lies! She’s already been caught trying to get other girls to come forward and lie about Marlin abusing them! Shame on her!
At that part, I said out loud... wtf you weren't no minor 😆
Colonel Kurtz did a fabulous interview with Vanessa who watched the filming of that scene and said that the Polaroids of both of them in their underwear still exist.
Yeah she lied in the first couple minutes, several times. About stuff you can Google. She is such a narcissist
@@AliAsh96 wow, you CAUGHT HER .!!!!🤪.. how come they don't yank the judge and put you in their position.??😂
Manson now has a law suit against Wood and maybe 3 other women who have come forward. He wants a jury trial.
A guilty man would not want a jury because 12 people can easily sway one way and quickly. She’s another Amber Heard. She’s trying to recruit “victims” and she’s so inconsistent. Her girlfriend was proven a liar and lied to FBI.
he just wants to make it difficult for everyone and will attempt to discredit their image ..it won;t work though ..
@1 looks like he has some strong evidence so far! Evan and Ilma have some inconsistencies between their stories
@@SM-ce1uy exactly! 🤜
She was an adult ..
How can you be groomed as an adult
Sorry, no matter what, it’s still INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.
Sorry, Evan Rachel Wood stated she was 18-19 when she met Marilyn Manson, then states she was underage when she did the video in 2007 AND according to her birthdate, she would of been 19yrs old. That is an adult age not a young teenager as she is describing herself on here, plus she had already been in.
Evan met British actor, Jamie Bell in 2005 and they begun a relationship shortly after meeting on Green Day’s video, Wake Me Up When September Ends. She met Manson at a party when she was 18 & still dating Bell and Manson, then 36, was married. Shortly thereafter she broke it off w/Bell and started dating Manson. It lasted a year, as she couldn’t handle the negative press about breaking up Manson & his wife.. She then went on to date women and said “I’m like a man when it comes to women. I’m the dominant one”, she has stated.
Seems like she reconciled w/Manson then would break it off all in the same year: 2008 on then off to pursue one’s career projects. Back on in 2009 & by Dec2009 they get engaged. In 2010, they call it quit w/ her stating “we’re just not right for each other”.
In 2011 Rebounds back to Jamie Bell, whom she married in 2012 & share custody son, Jack,born in 2013. The pair separated in 2014 and as of Jan 2022, Jamie Bell now married to Kate Mara, is still seeking sole custody of his son. And was stated to have said in 2021, he was blindsided by The Phoenix Rising documentary.
All I know is, I’m not too sure about either, so let’s see it in court!! Cuz don’t get why if her story is true, why did she posed as a FBI agent even making a false report (the FBI stated the person on the fake report was not an FBI agent), why have one of your supporters call the police to get Manson’s house swatted and nothing of evidence was found? Lots of questions!!
There is a reason he is seeking full custody. Something must be wrong. I don’t believe her or the others after it has come out there is NO LONGER any investigation on Brian Warner. She posed as an FBI agent! The statement the lapd put out said, there were “creditably issues” with the abuse claim by all the women. So Manson is suing her. She is unstable and a liar.
Karen……the term teenage is anything with a teen at the end lol…eighteen, nineteen….it’s 2 years outside of being a high school, an underage child. Just because society deems “18” as adults and it just isn’t 🤷🏽♀️
“especially as a minor” the lady just said you were 19…that isn’t a minor 😂
That's what I said!
She was 19...... but she was not ' street wise...... probably caught up in the fantasy world of Manson. I am happy she ' escaped '.
You said it before me.
@@jamesettaamico8885 really? cutting professional looking lines of coke for everyone in the bathroom of a party sounds like a naive little girl to you??
Exactly, she was a minor when she dated Edward Norton when he was 34 and she was only 16 🤷
19 years old is not a minor. And wtf is wrong with her neck?? She's rocking back and forth. I'm having a hard time believing her.. I don't listen to metal rock....
I honestly don't know what happened to her or if she is telling the truth. But there's something about her facial expressions and gestures that make her strikingly resemble Amber Heard when she speaks her truth.
This is such an important conversation. I experienced rape as a minor and I told my family members but they didn’t believe me and didn’t know what to do. It’s shameful really that we don’t teach people how to deal with rape and abuse and grooming because these are real ways that men are sucking women in and taking advantage of them. It’s toxic and if we don’t teach the next generation of women what to do and how to handle it they won’t have a clue and will continue to suffer
Would be better if the conversation was had by someone other than ERW since she's a liar... #justsaying
@@JackSutterEtc more important that the conversation is starting
Double standards perhaps? Abuse/rape happens with men, women & children sadly but that's just the dark reality we live in. Of course no one should ever go though that kind of experience but to always hear men being accused without being proven guilty or any evidence to back it up. I'm not saying her experienc with Manson in nonexistent, but it's a he said she said situation.
@@Hellomoto123 literally every single thing she's said re: Marilyn Manson, and a lot of it is PROVABLY lies. What part do you think she ISN'T lying about? Genuinely curious.
@@Hellomoto123 This is a horrible woman and a complete liar. Her story makes Jussie Smollet seem like he was telling the truth. Read the defamation lawsuit manson has against her. She was dating another woman named Ashley Gore who pretended to be a fbi agent and wrote fictitious letters to mansons exs and called the police pretending to be his friend to do a welfare check on him then called news outlets claiming he was being raided. Gore(whom wood conspired with) has a criminal record of identity theft. This was an attempt at extortion. She never filed any charges against Manson. She knew who he was an pursued him after his breakup with dita von tise. She has a history of pursuing older men not that that necessarily means anything but given the rest this woman should be in jail. On top of this she is going on televised programs repeating what she calls internet rumors about the man, which is the definition of liable.
3:33 So she can bring up old interviews as evidence but we need to disregard her old interviews where she stated in GQ about the Heart shaped glasses video: "We made it for each other. I just wanted to show that it’s okay to have different, weird ideas about romance. At the end of the video, we’re kissing and it’s raining blood-and for me, that was one of the most romantic moments of my entire life."
ROmance = being pissed on in a box. Ms. 3 posts
Oh I have that in my channel I was doing reading for every one Because they didn’t do there research
Yup
Fantastic point.
I said to the screen, that goes both ways Honey.
19 is a minor?
Only if it works in your favor
As a multisurvivor of all this, I’m staying neutral.
I just found it odd that she called 19 “a minor” idk what country, but not in America.
Compared to a grown a** man!?
Yes!
I'm his age now and work with young women, not in a million years would I consider 'dating' anyone that young.
What am I supposed to say to my two daughters, it's okay to f*ck some disgusting old fart!?
I agree with you. Im neutral until I hear both sides. Another thing we have to be very careful of as survivors is accidentally helping possible hoaxers by sharing certain things online. I hate that we have to even think like that but thanks to certain people we victims are silenced again. What I think is unfair is they get no punishment for lying about something so serious. I think survivors everywhere should come together and do something about that to stop liars from hurting the credibility of future victims that truly need help
Yeah I am keeping an open mind about everything till I know more but that got my notice too. It's a very strange that she would frame it in a way that we all know is incorrect.
ruclips.net/video/20Frlp7h584/видео.html an interview with an actual eye witness from Heart shaped glasses music video that literally stand in the room when the video was made. There was no sex and most certainly not rape + she was not underage. Also, they got engaged in 2009, about two years after the video was made. Why would she accept marriage proposal from a man that raped her and after they spent a whole year apart? Innocent until proven guilty.
I respect your neutrality. I’m gonna try to do the same. I wish she would’ve filed charges rather than end his career without a trial. Proof we DO give victims the benefit of the doubt. But I find myself wondering what she thought she was getting into by dating him in the first place. He’s pretty honest about who and what he is.
It's so sad there's a statute of limitations for this. I'm in the Netherlands, and for assault it's 12 years, for rape, unlimited time to report it and start a case.
Very progressive in the Netherlands then. There should never be any statute of limitations anywhere in the world.
They have “all the evidence”, so where is it? In this morning television or late night show? Where is it?
There is no evidence like in the Depp trial. There is tons of evidence of a coordinated smear campaign and the active recruitment of false accusers by this cabal of lying, manipulative malignant personality disordered ogres
Remember when The View said, Terry Cruz was an idiot for coming forward about his assault?
What is the documentary called?
I would die to see The Behavioral Arts analyse this video!
Yes!!!
@Andreja Russian here he is analysing it with 2 other body language experts! He said he's not going to get into this story in his own channel.
ruclips.net/video/DvOw6wf8mQQ/видео.html
@@mystik.mermayde.aotearoa yes yes, i saw it then 🙂 this was my comment one month before this video came out! Fun thing to see 🤓
@@mystik.mermayde.aotearoa but thank you so much ☺️
liar
What evidencie does she have to support her claims?
Nothing, except a documentary that was thrown out from being used as evidence 🙃
She was nineteen and she refers to herself as a minor, she was not a minor. Look deeper before we should believe. either.
Yeah that's really confusing. You're not a minor if you're 18. Why does she believe that? Or is she trying to twist the story to make him look worse? Very odd. Also her definition of grooming doesn't really make sense either. What she described in the beginning doesn't sound like grooming.
lmao minor 21
@@kharlicekk6992 what?
She was 17 when she dated Edward Norton and he was in his mid 30s
When the other person is old enough to be your father - than yes!
What kind of a scumbag 'dates' a person that young!?
I remember when HEARTSHAPED GLASSES came out and what was going on his life back then.
Never bought a CD after that or cared for him as an artist.
There is a reason why Dita left and also why she kept her mouth shut.
Others didn't, thanks to their friends and employees we found out more than we could stomach.
Someone who impersonates an FBI agent to create the idea of a (fake) investigation and someone who also provides prospective "victims" with checklists of abuse they can cite - is this really someone we consider to be legit in her claims?
Exactly. She isn’t credible at all. Honest people don’t need to commit multiple crimes in order to sell their story!
I thought it was a crime to impersonate a federal agent?
@@rachelb.6408 It is.
I wonder why The View didn't ask about that and so many other questions...
@@adriennem3168 biased media
Then why did she fake an FBI letter ?
She was friends with Amber Heard. Enough said!
It’s easy to forget who you are at 18 because you don’t know in the first place.
She still struggles now. Only last year she thought she was an FBI agent.
@@therealquaid1694 Omg 😂😂
and this is why abusers target young people.
Is that an excuse for her sleeping with a married man, flaunting it everywhere and then lying about him and trying to ruin him over a decade later? He's not innocent, but she definitely isn't either.
@@alexisandbillclerico15 18 is still a kid. Let’s be honest. Marilyn was clearly grooming her. Even if she wasn’t a saint that doesn’t give a pass for abuse. There are no “perfect victims”
So no mention of her and her partner impersonating a FBI agent...ok
It was mentioned when she was looking at the floor saying that she cannot comment on "Legal Issues."
@@jayceegenocide4402 she knows the clock is ticking
That part is dumb.
No mention of Manson's autobiography?
@@deadartist8827 Manson's autobiography was ghost written. It's fictitious, read the 28 page court document.
How does The View continue to stay on tv??? Too many interviews or reporting that just doesn't fit what I'm seeing or hearing. Like I'm looking at a beautiful blue sky BUT the "ladies" are telling me the skies are red and raining. SMH! Sucks because The View was about the view of all types women from different stages in life....the show hasn't been that for years now.
Why isn’t she looking them in the eyes? So weird. Also she said if you’re underage you can’t consent (talking about her with Marilyn), buuut she met him when she was 18??? Ooook, that’s not underage sweety.
And, also, they got together when she was 19 🤣 and she says she was groomed, but years ago she said she willingly jumped on his bus because she wanted to go with him at all costs. I hate liars like her
ahh there she is…the one that impersonated an fbi agent to recruit girls who post pinterest stock photos of “their” bruises & then state Manson did this to them years ago
A pinterest photo of a man non the less 🤣🤣
Lol! All this video proves without a doubt is that she is still a really bad actress.
Proof?
youre lost. get off the poser manson cult
Lies
What a liar she was. Hope she gets the whole book thrown at her like Amber Heard.
Things arent looking good for her
So...why did she impersonate an fbi officer again?
She knows what she did, which is why she couldn't say she didn't do it or not.
Got a little too confident
They can't all be lying
@@kylaarmstrong-benjamin8066 Well, they can. Believe it or not COINCIDENTALLY 15 women had repressed memories and kept supporting him after decades. It's more, they were recruited for it. Numbers are nothing in this case.
@@kylaarmstrong-benjamin8066 because white women aren't known historically to lie about being raped? It is most certainly possible. There is a lot of evidence that shows they are.
She’s in for a rude awakening.
what does that mean?
@@smithmcsmith9218 meaning her lies will all implode in her face…. She’s lying and the truth will be revealed… she’s another Jussie Smollet
@@smithmcsmith9218 Read the 28 page court document
So are her supporters. Kinda like the AH supporters. They've been awfully quiet recently.
@@kingthief9118 Can you give me an idea of what is said since you've read it?
There are two sides. We haven't heard his.
There should be no need for exceptions to the statutes of limitations. Because there should be NO statute of limitations for rape, for domestic violence, for domestic abuse.
"...Can't consent, especially when you are a Minor."
Um you were 19, you met him at 18 as an adult. There was no grooming, just a series of bad choices you made.
Thank you!
Exactly what I said when i heard that. Like wtf.
18, 19, seriously dude. She was a teenager. He was like 20 years older than she was. It shouldn’t be inconceivable that he could groom and manipulate a woman with that big of a age gap at that age she was 18 not 35.
@@erictalbert4633 No, that is now how ages work despite being younger she was still an Adult. There is no gray area.
As for the alcohol and drugs she did when with him, she did those things prior too.
Likely her self destructive life style rampt up after becoming 18, with no adult to stop her behavior. Then add that to being in a relationship to a musician that's on tour who always tries to be edgy likely wasn't good choices.
Then if you look at her life now, she is having custody charges against her and is blaming Manson again.
My guess is years of heavy drug use in her teens to adult years left gaps in memory to psychological effects leading to PTSD about her past
I wish ppl would quit treating women as if we're these delicate flowers that can't think or act for ourselves! I got married at 19...moved to a foreign country, got a job, made friends, had a baby at 23. I had my $hit together at age 13. At 19, Evan was very aware she was breaking up a marriage...just so she could go on tour and party with a rock star. Watch her interviews before she decided to use Manson as a scapegoat for all her bad behaviours!
Despite what others say...she is a good actress...she can fake emotions and be convincing....you gotta watch when she's caught off guard to see the cracks in her performance.
I definitely believe she's had some bad stuff happen and that she has mental issues....but Manson didn't cause them. I think they were equally bad for one another...but I don't believe he abused her. He adored her....spent 2 albums writing about her and their break up. It wasn't healthy....but she's conveniently placing all the blame on him. She knows what she's doing...she's trying to get more famous for being an activist....and trying to keep her son to herself and away from his dad...by saying Manson is a threat.
I'm sorry but she's not an innocent victim....but i do believe she dated a con artist who is gonna get her into trouble once all the truth comes out.