Do Wheel Spacers Really Improve Handling?
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- My Alfa 147 GTA has a few handling 'quirks' and the wheels are very inset.. will some bolt on wheel spacers have any effect at all, or are are the manufacturer claims about spacers a lot of hot air?
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I hope you have notified your insurance company. They consider wheel spacers a major modification.
And they know it does not improve either steering geometry or handling.
Thanks for the advice. Have since removed them for better comparison and they will be going back on ASAP. I can’t speak in general of course but this car handles much better with them on, other than more of a tendency to tramline and slightly more torque steer. The extra steering feel, stability, positive turn and better ride are well worth the trade offs for me.
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13 year old tyres are the elephant in the room.
Money well spent changing them
The 147 is a odd car, some tyres that are amazing in other cars wont be very good in the 147 chassi, best tyres for it are the Pirelli PZero Rosso Assimetrico and the Bridgestone Potenza S04 Pole Position, i tried even Michelin Sport and the 147 dont like it.
And its got a thicker anti roll bar , which will stiffen the ride
If you get the right tyres, many of the issues you describe will disappear or be mitigated. Love this series, BTW.
Those tyres need to go
been my bug bear for years..I see guys fitting coil overs, sway bars, strut braces and brakes with budget tyres..drives me mental...how can you understand how you car handles and rides on cheap rubber???
Goodyear F1 Asymmetric. 147s and GTs are extremely rubber-sensitive. The F1s are the best tyre I found for them, miles better than the Pirellis it had when I bought mine.
Simon a better softer tyre say a michelin ps4 will help, but it will not get rid of the harshness of those bloody Eibach pro coilovers, I had them on my GT, it was awful on a B road.
But then there would be no journey of discovery and a set of videos 😉
He’s not still on those ancient tyres 🙄?
Spacers? Just buy some wheels that fit.
Try throwing a bucket of water over it lol, my ocd is kicking in , oh and don't lean the wheel up against the paintwork .
if you had OCD you wouldnt throw a bucket of water over it..You'd take a tooth brush to the tyre tread like i do.
@@simonlloyd7557 that’s not how ocd works my guy different forms and different triggers
3 of my cars have 20mm spacers. Integrale (14 years), Elise (7 years), Syncro Country 2 years. I have never replaced any wheel bearings and all cars have decent miles on them. Never noticed any difference with the handling. Look way better. I have no problem slapping on wheel spacers to give a more stealthy look and keeping the wheels stock- Well apart from the country which has silly big Ronals. The GTA looks way better with the spacers!
Wheel bearings do not appreciate wheel spacers too much...
Exactly
It depends on the offset, the offset can also affect torque steer...
And in this case, using the original wheels with spacers the offset is of...
@Antonio Farina Antonio, it will depend of how many miles you made in 5 years and the road conditions.
I live in Brasil and my experience here where the distances are very large and the road conditions are not so good the bearings have a too short life when the wheels are positioned out of the original place.
In São Paulo city is not uncommon to made 200 km in one day...
Spacers are for teenagers
So a manufacturer spends billions on car development and yet people think £20-200 spent in Halfords is an improvement. Just stay standard or use the manufactures upgrade options.
Manufacturers leave room for snow chains.
Little safety tip. When you remove a wheel, always place it under the car. That way if the jack were to fail in any way the car doesn't come down on you. Ask me how I know.
what if you are twice the width of the wheel
@@OrdinaryJoe12 LOL. Well maybe better to not crawl under it then. Mine's a bit of a story about how the car fell (not totally my fault) but the disc brake came within about an inch of cutting my toes off or at least crushing them if I had not put the wheel under the car.
How do you know?
@@neilg3364 Ok, you asked for it. Rhetorically?
It was dark and stormy night. Literally. And when I say stormy I mean like biblical rain. It was so hard that I had to blink a lot because the rain drops hitting my eyes stung. Four of us were riding in the car of my friend's father. He was driving and saying how he didn't like to drive in the rain or the dark. I believe I even offered to drive.
We came up to a detour where all three westbound lanes were shoved into the eastbound lane that was closest, only he didn't detour until it was too late. He hit the concrete curb of the median and launched the car. It hit so hard it flattened the front tire and bent the rim. He pulled over. We all got out. And as we stood getting drenched at the back of the car, all looking at the spare, I finally sprung into action since no one else was going to take action. I told the group very specifically and very emphatically to apply the hand brake. Maybe it was my fault by not singling out someone because, it didn't get done.
When I removed the tire, I wasn't sure what to do with it and for the first time ever, I, for unknown reasons, decided to put it under the car. Maybe there is such a thing as a guardian angel. As I was working on the car, they were all talking at the back. Why they didn't get back in the car still puzzles me. Maybe they felt guilty that I was getting wet? Somehow during their conversation, someone leaned on the car, it came off the jack and onto the wheel I put underneath. This startled me as my foot was under the car at that instant and as I said earlier, the disc brake was about 1 inch (2.54 cm) above my toes. I don't know if say 800 lbs applied to a disk brake is enough to remove toes, but I'm certain it wouldn't have been pretty. I was very angry that no one was really doing anything useful, like applying the handbrake as I had asked. Anyway when we got to our destination, I was soaked from head to toe, even my underwear and my wallet were completely wet. But I had all my toes and the wheel always goes under the car now.
@@ProfessorOzone thanks for sharing. I hate working under cars, I'm paranoid. Had four axle stands just up front the other day when doing ball joints.
Put it all back to factory spec, good tyres all round and enjoy..... ; )
Are some of those roads featured in Harry's Garage as well?? 🤔
Yes. Great road to drive. Burford to Charlbury.
Thought I recognised that downhill right-hander!!
I was going to guess an overlap with the roads that Jayemm uses, but I don't know much about the geography of the UK.
I was thinking the same
Love ya show bud...but seriously friend....the simplest answer to your woes...still scratching my head....change the flippen tyres mate....THAT will be a tranformation,,,,,its becoming painfull to watch..
Spacers without 4 wheel alignment are a bad idea. It’s guaranteed to change the attitude of the wheel. Get a good alignment with your new tires man.
I'm not a fan of wheel spacers...the track was engineered that way for a reason. It will only put more stress on other areas, over time giving you more grief...Tyres man...Tyres ! Tyres are one of the "most" important aspects of a cars handling and performance. You could have the most powerful engine on the planet, but if your tyres are rubbish it means nothing. Cheers !
"the track was engineered that way for a reason" There is sometimes a little bit of variation in wheel offset that is still within tolerance. For example, old Subaru Imprezas were +55 offset on the factory wheels but aftermarket Speedline or Rays wheels made specifically for the Impreza WRX would tend to run a +49 offset. It's not uncommon for manufacturer special editions with widebody kits to accomplish the wider track **purely** through wheel offset, rather than through different hubs/control arms/steering: the Subaru 22B is an example of this. The wider track is done only via wheel offset, and the scrub radius on the steering and stresses on the wheel bearings is still within tolerance. :)
@@TassieLorenzo Point taken, however, if simple spacers made that much difference to the overall handling of a car, then why not engineer the car that way in the first place. Wheel offset, is not wheel spacers. Would the load be distributed differently from engineered wheels compared to add on spacers ?
Extrapolating your theories, when you put 6" spacers on the car will be nearly perfect ... 🤣
13 year old tires will harden. You're really missing a major issue here, plus those poor bearings will suffer.
Any improvements are between your ears but the look is indeed better!!!
I have to agree with many of the other comments regarding the tyres. New rubber will have a very noticeable effect which will probably negate the use of the spacers. I would start with the tyres.
That was the Harry Metcalf S’s you drove through wasn’t it Jack? Great vid as usual 👏🏻👍🏼. FYI have spacers on my 996, fills out the arches but can’t say it drives any different
I have them on mine too snd it’s fine
I had a heavily modded RPM Technik 996 and on that it definitely made a difference in the tip over when entering a corner.
Jack, 2 points:
Dunlop sp sport maxx rt2
Left side light bulb.
Other than that, you are the one that makes me like the busso.
Coming from m52/n52 owner
I haven't looked at the comments yet but I'm guessing there's a bunch of angry keyboard wizards who have never worked on a car telling you how unsafe a spacer is. Lol. I use them all the time and they are great if you need them. Love your content
Totally agree.. and yes you’re right about the comments! 20mm spacer is perfectly safe.
When you consider that engine was designed in the 70s it really is a gem even in 2020 . Glad to see there’s some new rubber on the way too 👍🏻
@Lassi Kinnunen yes of course I fully understand the transition the Busso has taken over the years I worked for Alfa Romeo for 12 years and owned several , my point being that through continual development it has stood the test of time
60s design.
@@HappyDaysNI ah no it was designed early 70s then was put in the Alfa 6 in 1979
There’s much sort of archaic tech even in the ‘newest’ Bussos. What I like is there’s no variable valve timing on it. In a BMW you can notice the impact of Vanos and on a Honda of course the ‘VTEC kicks in yo’, but no such thing with the Busso - which adds to the pureness IMO.
@@kasimirdenhertog3516 Alfa was the first to use variable valve timing.
IT'S THE POLYURETHANE BUSHES!!! AAAAARGH!!
not much power for the engine size u say
i think a set of longtube headers and some fiddeling around with the engine management system sorts that out :)
I can't speak highly enough for the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S. Very quiet, comfortable, and grippy even in cold, wet temperatures!
Those spacers will have changed your scrub radius quite a bit. I guess alfa will have had to strike a balance with the geometry to keep bearing wear and such in check. Its definitely a science though.
leave the car stock, car manufactures spend millions to billions on R&D, leave it to the professionals.
Alfa not famous for the time they spend on development though.. not having the finances of the German manufacturers.
Everyone parrots without any evidence spacers ruin your bearings, in practice they dont, ive had spacers on many cars for many years, and there have been zero mechanical problems.
I’ve had spacers on bmw, vw, Mercedes, fords audis and never had a single wheel bearing failure or uneven tyre wear.
Have spacers on my 3.0GTV - primarily so I can fit GTA teledials to the car, but the combination of these - decent tyres and the Q2 make the car feel like it's on rails. I remember my orignal 156GTA (RE02ELC - sadly no longer with us) I had from nearly new was an understeery beast without the Q2, but you can't beat a busso for engine noise and feel, love them to bits,
Also another fact with spacers to consider is you are also increasing the weight the suspension has to deal with. The extra weight of the spacers and bolts is like bolting a much heavier wheel on the car. And god knows those oem Alfa cast wheels are not light weight, never mind with spacers and longer bolts fitted to the hub. You are creating more work for your eibach pro preset factory damping. As previously mentioned, when I decreased the unsprung weight by fitting forged lightweight wheels to my Alfa's wishbone chassis, ride quality improved.
The only way to enjoy him is stock. I’d get rid of the rear shocks/springs, they’re just not designed specifically for the car,forget the spacers, to much stress on associated parts, and like everyone says, tires. Doesn’t matter what mods you the only thing connecting you to the road is an inch or so of rubber.
Great content and you seem a genuinely nice guy.
Get the tires changed fella... You be shocked how much of a difference it makes.... i think those old stiff rubber tires are the main culprit
I would only buy spacers for stance or to fit some aftermarket alloys . I think you might find the other spacer with x2 bolts is actually a wheel adaptor to fit to ca rfor an alloy with a different stud diameter.i,e 114.8 pcd alloy can fit a 100.
Would have gone for black spacers personally like BIMMEC, to blend in with wheels. Spacers do help fill the arches 👌🏻
Wider stance is achieved from wheel spacers which will equate to better handling...the center of gravity has changed with the offset therefore the bumps are not transferred to the shock absorber as before so usually spacers is good move..
The arguments about the ill effects of spacers on the wheels bearings could be so but same with deep offset wheels..
Put the standard tail pipes back on those noisey fart pipes drown out the symphony of the busso.
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Ok, my OCD's really unhappy. It's been weeks and you still haven't fixed the front and rear N/S blown bulbs yet.... :D
I do think the rear wheel position looks much better though.
It’s not a blown bulb.. something in the headlight. Got new bulbs and still wasn’t working.. it’s on my list.. but spacers was a more fun job!!
@@Number27 driving me nuts too..
Best way to diagnose a difficult suspension issue in my experience is to strip it completely and inspect/test each component independently. BTW wheel spacers wear out bearings quicker.
ah spacers. Increased torque-steer, more bushing wear and so on and so forth. Braking stability, especially when in more slippery conditions is compromised. New tyres is the best idea, actually.
Gotta say, teenage tuners everywhere are smiling...wheel spacers will create wheel bearing life issues because you've increased the moment arm wrt to the bearing's load angle. Changing road wheel offset (from factory) creates the same problem.
Made a hell of a difference on my Audi S5, along with lowered adjust coil overs 👌😷 great looking stance as well 👍
Think of the added unsprung mass. Every racing team in history ever tries to cut down unsprung mass to bare minimum, you're chucking on like a couple kilos extra on each corner lol
@Asmodeus Only if you don't realise that unsprung mass is worth a great deal more than sprung mass. A few hundred grams of spacers is easily the equivalent of much more mass in a distinctly negative impact on acceleration and handling. Everyone adding spacers does it because they think it looks good and improves handling but ultimately it virtually never helps because of the additional unsprung mass.
@@pgr3290 nonsense
@@thepiedpiper54 Only if you're uneducated in terms of racing engineering. Unsprung mass is the enemy.
Fitting spacers will affect scrub radius and roll centre, so would you need a full alignment to get the best out of them?
I owned a 911 for about six years and I learned a bit about wheels and bolts. Apparently if you drive your car hard at a track day, these wheel bolts (or studs) can break. Hence I would be apprehensive about changing anything. Longer bolts. Nah. Invest your money in a case of Chianti.
With my 911 I just applied a bit of silicon grease to the original studs -- so that the threads would not rust away in our cold Canadian winters.
Spacers will just make it look different; whether better or worse is for you to judge. The 40mm extra track may improve outright cornering but you'll only notice when you get to the limit. On the minus side, you will have increased load on the suspension components, especially the bearings and axles, and you have actually slightly increased unsprung weight, which is never good, and you'll have increased tyre wear on the inner edges. Remember that if Alfa had thought an extra 40mm gave a worthwhile improvement they'ed have done it and adjusted the geometry to match! The best upgrade you can do is to get rid of those illegal tyres and get some new grippy ones that won't go bang and will give you the characteristics you want.
Hey your tyres are 13 years old being 2007 make! Tyres are only good for 4-6 years max because the rubber compound hardens with age. This seriously compromises both handling and safety. Even in dry conditions the vehicle will skitter around hard corners because there wont be enough traction. In wet conditions they may cause you to spin out of control because they simply will lack any grip at all. They may even blow out because they have cracks in them and thats not something you want. Please do change those tyres. Try the Michelin Pilot Sports 4’s. I just changed out the 4 tyres on my Cooper S and believe me the car sticks to the road like Spider-Man would! My rear and front tyres were 2014 and 2015 made respectively. Hence it WAS time to say bye to them. Even more reason to say BYE to your 2007 made tyres.
8:22 is that not the same series of bends I see Harry Metcalf drive time and time again ?
What will the poor Italians do, when the ICE engine is dead and gone? They are so good at making cars sound exquisite, that we have forgiven any number of their automotive sins. If not for their aural charm, almost NOBODY would buy Italian cars, at least outside of Italy. What's the point of an electric Ferrari, Lambo, Maserati, Alfa, or even a Fiat 500 Abarth?
Insurance companies do not like spacers. Throws suspension alignment out. Wheel offset obviously, bearing loading and life and Kingpin Inclination Angle.( look it up if you dont know what it is ) kpi wont cause a problem at 30mph at 70 however bump steer may be a different story. As someone mentioned ,13 year old tyres !! 😖😖😖
i hit a cast iron manhole cover weighing 30kg a few years ago with 15 mm long stud spacers on a BMW E46 M3, both wheels and tyres wrecked plus $1000's dollars suspension damage but spacers survived unmarked and still on car with new studs just in case!
The piggy back spacers may be illegal here in Australia, if not all spacers?
I had spacers on a Mini R53 and it totally ruined the handling. I recently bought a used Tesla Model 3 LR AWD which had spacers fitted, I removed them and straight away the car drives much better, less tyre noise, less clonking on full lock, much better turn in especially at slow speed and better ride all around.
Fitting wheel spacers will increase the positive scrub radius at the front wheels which has some unfavourable consequences. ... Any bumps in the road will also be amplified through the steering wheel, making the steering jerky and more unpredictable. During braking, , if braking effort is greater on one side of the vehicle than the other, positive scrub radius will cause the vehicle to veer towards the side with the greater effort. It therefore requires much higher driver involvement and also competence to maintain control and stop the vehicle being tugged into puddles.
Hello my friend, thank you for this information. My car is Alfa Romeo 159. Which Spicer brand do you recommend for me? Thank you
Spacers induce wheel bearing failure (as many have already said). If the tyres are as old as some comments imply, then more fool you for not changing them (even for cheapest chocolate). You come across as a capable mechanic with a good understanding of what are becoming "heritage" cars. Some of your selections I like and comment on, the ones that I dislike - out of respect for choice - I stay quiet on.
In short, spacers are a lot of hot air, unless you are making a show car on the cheap.
Fantastic car, love the 147 especially the rarer ones, there's one called a Sport TS and people don't realise it handles even better than the standard 147, mine was called Figaro and on B roads my God it handled out arse whippings to everything from MX5's to 1 series nothing ever touched us but the car had been very poorly maintained before me and I ended up selling him for £300 and he was last heard of getting away from a police car a day after I sold him. Should've kept him, hate to think he got pushed into a lake or burnt, I hope you have great life with yours
Definitely looks better with spacers. Worth it for that alone. 20mm (40 in total) is quite a jump so you will accelerate wear on your wheel bearings and of course the tyres.
Great video ... great commentary.... but an we ha e a video with just Fredo rasping lol ... what a great soundtrack coming out of the exhaust.
Apart from track width one thing wheel spacers do is change the roll centre of the vehicle as the centre line of the tyre is the axis point where the roll centre is calculated, usually widening the track will lower the roll centre but it depends where it is in relation to the centre of gravity as to how much difference this makes to the roll moment. Not only this but it changes the scrub radius which can effect steering feel.
I've always thought they were a pretty pointless modification that was aesthetically based without any real thought about how they work, but If the car handles better with them on, then fair play, that's often the case with modifications some work, some don't and testing them is the real proof in the pudding so to speak.
Spacers change the scrub radius of the front wheels, stress the wheel bearings and change the rate of the suspension. I’d avoid and trust the manufacturer. Good tyres at the right pressure will make all the difference.
@Number 27, FFS. Do not jack up the back end using the cast alloy rear subframe. You WILL break it!!!
Aesthetically looks great but not sure I favour them based on wheel bearing stresses etc. As everyone is banging on about, get some decent rubber on all 4 corners (I know it will cost more but the rewards are worth it) something with a good wet weather rating too, and get the geometry set and I think you will find more love for the beast. But oh the sound of that engine, bloody lovely 🥰🥰
The best thing I ever did was installing Novitec lowering sport-springs and spacers on my Ferrari California-T. The wheels fill the arches perfectly and the slightly lower stance looks awesome.
Spacers look decent quality but I doubt the bolts are. Have had a few sets that come with bolts and some have snapped off. H&R bolts are good
Tyres tyres tyres. Oh, and spacers might f*ck you bearings up, given there's a larger force moment acting on the hub.
time for new tires, alignment and (maybe) ajustable coilovers... where is your Patreon? :)
I put spacers on my GT86 purely to bring the wheels out more. It's lowered on coil overs and it looked really weird without them.
Testing handling without changing 13 year old tyres... yep, definitely not scientific.
How do you avoid changing your offset if you don't also change to a wheel with an offset 20mm different?
Think it looks better with spacers from back quarter view 👍🇮🇹❤️
Spacers on the front alters the Scrub Radius. Steering geometry is best left as the manufacturer intended. Spacer manufacturers probably have no idea.
We are on such similar trajectories....I’ve just fitted a spacer kit to the spider , 16mm at the front , and 20mm at the rear , looks a whole load better , “ seems “ a bit more compliant , got mine from Italy , hub centric and bolts included.
Jury is out but I won’t be taking them off just yet, I need a few more miles to know for sure , but initial impressions were much the same as yours , the spider seems to be very sensitive to road camber and the spacers seem to accentuate this , more planted in corners and more direct and weighted steering.
I’ve also a front strut brace .
You seem to be starting to “ get “ the Busso , it’s not really about straight out power, the delivery is just so smooth and creamy , and that noise ...😍
A very special engine indeed , it elevates any car it’s in really .
I look forward to the tyres , I think that’ll make quite a difference ...👍🏻
Thanks buddy... am loving the Busso!!!
Do not use spacers unless you are prepared to adapt the hole setup of the suspension ... and still pay the price of wearing bearings.
You should do a blind test ie get a mate to take them off (or not) and then you have a drive out twice - and see if you can tell which is which.
Anything that widens the wheel track will.......but not a measurable amount.
Perhaps already mentioned... your left frontlight is not working 😀
I’ve had wheel spacers for 2 years now . They are just incredible.
The spacers are going to change the scrub radius, so that could explain the change in the steering feel.
Does Harry Metcalfe know you are using his favourite testing road?
You need a set like Leepu and Bernie used to fit on Chop Shop. 10 inch spacers either side 🤣
You would not pass a VOSA examination with those spacers on !
Dare I say it, the Alfa sounds better than the Ferrari! Would have the Ferrari over the Alfa any day of the week though 😁
It does sound better!!!
best sounding engine in the business, little does it wonder.
Just put some michelin pilot sports on it, best modification i did to my gta
Jack - lose the spacers (or go down to 10mm), get some PS2s or PS4s (but get the wheel alignment sorted first!) - and fix that bloody headlamp please Mate! Some 911 model variants used thin spacers IIRC, so they can’t all be bad.
Agree on spacers. The car was booked In already for tires already at this stage
Spacers = hideous bump steer, wrecked bearings.
Fab stuff, great to see you smile. Keep well.
Im just wondering how the ride/handling of this car is compared to the 308. Im guessing the Ferrari is better handling/more enjoyable even though quite a bit older.
Nope.. the Ferrari is not better handling.. it’s enjoyable but suspension also skips over bumps a lot though is less unsettled. It’s an old design.. can’t really compar the two
quando accelleri ti si legge la soddisfazione sul viso ( GODURIA ) grande alfa
Ive had H&R 15f/20r on my 370Z for at least 8 years now and my bearings are fine. Even lowered, no rubbing. 245f 295r tires.
Yes, I don’t agree 20mm spacers will mangle bearings. They will shorten the life a little. Thanks for watching Gregory!
Another comment that might help you...have you played with the rear tire pressures at all? I have a new Guilia Q4 and I have been really surprised at how sensitive the ride quality is to rear tire pressure. If you haven't tried it already you might consider reducing the pressures a bit and see if that improves things.
Literally did that yesterday.. minus 1 psi made a huge difference!!
Great vid! The car lookin like lady bug tho
Well from an engineering standpoint spacers will:
Decrease roll angle slightly.
Subsequently decrease weight transfer slightly.
Decrease the effective spring rate slightly.
On the other hand, they will:
Majorly increase the scrub radius (therefore the more steering feel but also the more torque steer).
Hugely increase the thrust loading on the bearings.
A good way to improve the handling on a car like this is to get adjustable bushings and get the geometry a tad more aggressive.
But I cant still grasp the obsession of having a car running on normal street tires on bumpy roads without almost any downforce run very stiff anti-roll bars.
All tires have a load vs coefficient of grip curves and cars like the gta which are very heavy on the front can easily overload the tires if you go very hard or very soft.
In order to alter the mechanical balance of the car I would suggest to harden the front arb and soften the rear let a bit more body roll occur and let the suspension do its camber gaining magic.
These car have rear suspension that aids steering by altering its geometry mid travel.
In order to get travel when cornering, you need some body roll.
Get the car softer and you wont be disappointed especially in the winter where tires NEED TO BE LOADED TO PERFORM
Thanks for the advice! I have already softened the rear roll bar a tad..
I see a red one of these today but it had multi spoke wheels
If you think you need spacers, why not buy wheels with the right offset? All the positive without the negative. Also: just get tyres. It‘s so dangerous driving on those old tyres.
Did get the tyres!! But getting wheels with a different offset places the same strains as using spacers. Plus I love the teledials! Thanks for watching!
Spacers alter the distance between the centre of the tyre and the pivot point of the steering (normally the lower ball joint), so they can have quite a dramatic effect on handling and steering response, both negative or positive depending on the car. I've got 20mm spacers on my C4 VTS (the bolt on kind - I didn't want the ones with the long bolts because of the strain the extended bolts would have to take) and I'd say it's made the steering a little more nervous. Ride - I noticed no difference at all (it was cack before, and it's cack now). The one thing that is massively improved (and the sole reason I fitted them) was the looks. Vain, but true!
Took them off again and it highlighted how much better the GTA is with them on. Everything is better except torque steer. They’re coming back on!!
On most performance versions of cars the wheels are more flush with the arches, this is from the offset of the wheel because the manufacturer isn’t going to make longer wishbones. 10mm would be best on this car, 20 looks funny
Agree 20mm too much!!
Think 20mm may have been a step too far, perhaps it would look better with 12's or 15mm spacers, engine sounds awesome tho' :)
Agree.. 15s would have been better
I think its illegal to drive an Alfa and then NOT use the words "Soul" or "Passion".
5/10 Must try harder.
He speaks his own mind & doesn't need to recycle Top Gear clichés..
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Has someone mentioned wheel bearings? Oh right
Start with new tyres before you play with the chassis.
Harry Metcalf’s favourite bit of road 👍