Conservatives 'diving into existential crisis' | Ben Houchen
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- Опубликовано: 6 июл 2024
- "I worry that the Conservatives are going to dive into some form of existential crisis."
Restoring public trust over ideological infighting should be the road ahead for the Tories, argues Conservative Tees Valley Mayor Ben Houchen.
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Try public service instead of self service?
"are we too right wing", "are we too left wing" ... says it all, too busy being politicians.
What a novel concept!
and there it is
Houchen should be in jail. Selling off to his mates at £1 per acre, then renting it back at a profit is corruption.
"How did we lose trust?" says Boris Johnson superfan.
Absolute mystery.
Getting rid of Boris didn't help,he would have won a majority
@@tomsheppard378no he wouldn’t . Partygate made him toxic
You might have just got Larry the chief mouser to have led the conservative party, could not have been any worse 😅
@gm9460 people were forgetting about Boris having some cake on his birthday. He did a lot, he got brexit done and settled it for a generation
Ben is doing well out of Teeside as are his pals.
Selling public land to your mates for a £ an acre played its part!
It takes self-awareness and introspection to have an existential crisis. The Tories have neither.
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Neither do the other parties.😂
Worst government of my lifetime.
Give them a chance they have only been in a few days but you are probably right.
Tax the Rich.
The disparity of wealth in the UK is corrosive to national unity.
You went wrong when you stopped doing what the people want.
On a whole spectrum of things which obvious vote winners - they did nothing about Woke, Antifa / BLM / Extinction Rebellion/ Pro-Hamas rioting and destroying public property, didn't do anything about DEI or debanking. They didn't even do anything about scrapping the archaic licence fee.
I won't ever trust them with my vote again. Time for a new political party that will do what their voters want.
Houchen should be in jail for racketeering this includes corruption and fraud.
Hoping that Labour launch a proper enquiry into Teesport/Houchen, unlike the one carried out by Michael Gove’s department..
I'm no expert, but appointing a lettuce to run the economy just did not make any sense to me. A cucumber would have been a far wiser choice in my opinion. But i'm no expert.
Corruption at the Tees freeport , the pollution it caused ,the mass shell fish die -off ,coverup and the lies didn't help .
You had like 5 prime ministers. You did not do what you said your were going to do. People do not like hypocrites.
I bet he's now soiling himself that Labour will do some investigating into his dealings
The Tories delivered on Brexit, which had every horrible aftereffect every economist said it would.
No they didn't. We got watered down Brino where we didn't play our cards on NI and we're still paying into the EU budget. This is why the British public have punished the Tory traitors by voting them out.
We have not even got warmed up yet. The Tories will be extinct and replaced by a political that will do what the voters voted for them to do.
Really, we've been doing fine and saving 20 billion a year for so called free trade so I call that a win. What's to be gained with being in the EU and having to bail out every other nation whilst our country declines?
Dear me. Houchen in denial about why the Tories lost the election. I’ll start with the hopeless campaign, which compared to Labour’s vote efficiency maximisation, was a disaster. And the rise of the far right in Reform, was in no small part to the Tories using immigration as a culture war, instead of trying to fix it properly.
I disagree about the campaign making any difference (as disastrous as it was). By the time the campaign started and actually for at least the majority of Sunak's premiership, the public weren't willing to listen to what the tories had to say. They had 2 big NI cuts and neither moved the polls
That's a fair point. Talking tough on immigration but doing nothing about it is the worst of both worlds. The cruelty of the far-right with the corrupt elitism of the mainstream left. They should argue the positives of immigration, whilst also reducing it to a sustainable level.
@@user-xl6bk2gd3f isn’t that because the NI cuts were complemented by frozen tax thresholds? Money in your front pocket and out of your va back pocket..
The arrogance of this man.
This bloke is a pretend conservative- he’s basically a spiv.
The fact the Tories don’t realise why….lol….because they kept lying about immigration.
Well, it's not just that. But that's the main reason for Reform's success.
@@andybrice2711 it really is just that…you keep lying about manifesto promises for multiple governments don’t be surprised if folks stop believing you.
They also went charging ahead with ruinous Net Zero. No Conservative asked for that.
People didn't flock to Labour like in 97 because its current leader is not a narcissistic showman. When things have got as bad as they are, all it takes is someone who seems competent and interested in how the population actually lives.
Who is that then?
You think Starmer is basically apolitical?
@@georgesdelatour some of his appointments are
@@sugarfree1894 Some people pose as apolitical when they're actually politically aligned. Like Sue Gray, for instance.
@@georgesdelatour Sue Gray was a civil servant. Now she's a government advisor. That's her career path. Johnson asked her to investigate 'partygate' and she did. I guess the political element is with the people who didn't like what she found.
I was happy to listen/watch until he said the party should not have got rid of boris, now I just can't take him seriously as boris was a symptom of the party's inner rottenness!
Boяis made this guy a multimillionaire.
It ain't rocket surgery. People want adults at the helm, not self serving grifters. The Tories have shown themselves to be anything but responsible adults. Labour has a huge opportunity but also a large responsibilty here. Hope they can live up to the role, time will tell.
they never improve anything ever, that they kept getting elected had more to do with Murdoch scare tactics than the tories themselves
The post Cambell-Blair civil service is basically a Labour fiefdom. So when they're instructed to carry out conservative policies, they engage in performative failure. Now that we've changed the government to align with the wishes of the civil service, there will be less of that.
Bye bye Tories 😂😅😂
They are in the way and need to stand aside. Reform only.
An irrelevant Tory party is the only true Brexit benefit! Was that what Boris meant?
What about the Brexit mess. All the lies that people were told. ?
diving into existential crisis, they've been that way since Boris.
Half of them couldn't even spell existential.😁
Entitled Tories gone 👍
This is contradictory nonsense
One word ………………………. BORIS, its really that simple.
Truss as well...
I'm not sure about that. Boris doesn't do too badly in opinion polls.
@@andybrice2711 REgardless of how well he polls, he destroyed them, set the whole sorry train in motion in order to “Get BrexSHIT done”… The mans a tool!
The right word is treachery. Boris and the Tories betrayed us, and they paid the price.
I’m quite astonished that anyone would need to ask the question: Where did we go wrong?
boris is the one who broke the trust.
Where did they go wrong? Every single thing they did. Name one thing they made better.
Paying people on furlough perhaps,
@@ML-xh1gomost major countries had a wages support schemes
@@ML-xh1go unless you were self-employed.
Channeling public monies to friends and cronies was so much easier under the Tories.
We didn't need furlough and shouldn't have been stopped going to work as it wasn't anywhere near tge threat they said it was. Only the elderly and vulnerable should have been told to pay caution, top up with vitamins. 400 billion down the drain and sky high inflation for reckless policies.
‘Where did we go wrong?’…….is he serious?😅😅😅😅
It is so simple.
When an unelected prime minister with no mandate tells you what he is has the support of the people and to stick to the plan. And they have to ask why ?
You stopped being Conservative - simple
They threw their manifesto out and couldn't care less and they even removed a democratically elected PM and replaced with a selection. Reform only, Tories are in the way.
No one cares what happens to the Conservative party, they had their chance and did nothing for the people of the UK. It is an unimportant subject.
well siad this is what they are saying at work your spot on
Just as well for chaps like this man that the new Prime Minister with a massive majority didn't used to be the country's chief criminal prosecutor.
3-5 years, anyone? A bit less for good behaviour?
The tories looking inwards and asking the big questions... Like not "how did we mess up an entire G6 country?" but more importantly - "How did we loose the election, and should boris come back to save us?".
Boris Johnson is person that destroyed the party. You see Boris lusted for power, so became Prime Minister to but do so he kicked out all the Tories that he need to help governor the nation. Remember Boris is an idiot, and so choose people that are sycophants and loyal not competent. That why got one scandal after another.
Their collective misdemeanours, errors and thoughtless blunders read like a lengthy shopping list but beyond that, they got lost amidst their own self righteous arrogance. At this moment in time they'll likely be a pitifully lame duck opposition.
Few points......you say about regrouping to see where you went wrong ' try doing what you were elected to do by the people instead of pursuing your own agendas , yea bring back Mr Johnson , that will then put all of you back in your box once and for all , what you have done to our country is shocking 😡😡😡
_"Do we move left or right?"_ Is the wrong question. The Conservatives need to ask themselves: _"What issues should we move left on? And what issues should we move right on?"_ And they should be guided by public opinion, not by the demands of big donors.
Ben catch those corrupt shysters who stole freeport money
I hope the Tory’s never come back ever again.
The more I hear them speculate on what they did wrong and ever time they just don’t get it, the harder it is not to comment suggesting sepuku or something.
Stop with the Labour didnt win it view.....if it was the other way round you wouldnt be saying the Tories havent won it.
Exactly 👏👏👏👏👏
it was gaining power due to collapse of the Tories.
@@maccagrabme So when Boris won and destroyed Corbyn it wasnt Conservative winning it was Labour losing then !
What did we do to lose the trust of the electorate??? If you are asking that question then you have no hope. Thankfully.
They are in the way now, won't be getting another vote even with Farage as a leader, they will have to split or fade. Reform party only.
Labour went down a far left wing route and it failed miserably. If the Tories go far right they will suffer the same fate.
The Tories will soon be gone, so we have a real right wing alternative.
To be fair Corbyn got more votes than Starmer. Which probably explains why they banned him.
There is also no point to a Tory party that is unable to protect its borders, if you think that's FR then you know nothing.
I'm tempted to say the UK looks like a developing country but it's not developing so I can't.
Where did we go wrong? Where did we lose trust? What did we do that cut people off? Is this guy serious?! If he has to ask these questions he’s already failed! He MUST realise the answers. He just doesn’t want to accept them. And this, old mate, is the answer to ALL of your questions. You can have that one for free 👍
Houchen is away with the fairy's. He still does not get it. They wrecked themselves and the shop needs a complete reflect to get back to par. There is no one there strong enough to pull this together. The whipping was due to failing the Brexit vote by the remainers and that rift can not be fixed by these folk. Too much deep animosity
It doesn't take much common sense to realise that the reason the Conservative party has gone wrong isn't because it isn't right wing enough. Reform switchers wouldn't have made the difference (even given the spoiling effect) and the significant bulk of switchers chose leftward options.
It would make more sense to consider incumbency senescence, leading to complacency, arrogance, cupidity and crucially the melting away of an ethos of public service. To govern is a privilege bestowed by the governed not presumed by those who govern. But then I am applying sense...
If you have to ask the question, you won't understand the answer.
Well, that's odd. I have never heard anybody say in the last few years that the Tories are lunching towards the left, far from it, fascists, nasty, mean, far right, vicious, thuggish, those are how many people are expressing their views. Braverman, Badenoch are two of the worst, if you actually want to differentiate between Reform and Tory you need to get back to One Nation Tories. I think the Tories don't really listen to the public carefully, many Tories are tone deaf.
yet farage lot call them too far left while denying reform is a far right party
Hmm. Is there any evidence for that though? Didn't they mainly lose votes to Reform rather than the Lib Dems?
My sense is that they need to move somewhat to the left economically. But adopt some moderately nationalist policies, without divisive culture-war rhetoric.
But their main problem is cronyism, incompetence, and a lack of any clear values or interesting ideas.
A major issue I saw was with Brexit, hardly any of the Tory MPs really wanted to do it. They treated Brexit like the embarrassing uncle at a wedding who you try to ignore and just filter them through the evening
They didn't get it, and now they're gone.
“If only there was some way to understand how we didn’t govern competently…can anyone out there tell me? Anyone?” Followed by “Labor is weak and we can beat them, soon. We need a new election in a few months. What? Five years?” In conclusion “And let us return to a our core competency of climbing the greasy pole of Tory power, because that’s what it’s all about.”
One question you will never hear politicians ask is "where did we go wrong."
The public lost trust in our corruption and complacency. When I was out stealing parcels from door steps, I got the impression I was not welcome.
We didn't stop listening "irrespective of the policies". We stopped listening BECAUSE of the policies. It's really not complicated.
Where did you go wrong? Really? You don't know.
They never will as they don't get it. Move on, it's Reform only.
This all could have been avoided if the Tories had listened to the people and their concerns over all the channel illegals and mass immigration ,and not to notice all those who have overstayed their visa 1,700 Pakistanis alone is incredible , surely they would have been flagged up on someone’s computer,
Polls - and the results of this election - will tell you that the majority of the country aren't completely obsessed with immigration as an issue. It requires competent management, as everything does, but most of us understand that immigration is part of the solution, not the partial or whole cause, of the problems this country faces.
Everything is an 'existential threat' these days.Prior to the start of the Ukraine war this word was never heard
Ship the Tory MP's to Ukraine. To fight Putin.
Please don’t inflict another tory leadership election soap opera on your listeners….we don’t care.
One word. cruelty
Step 1: Assign a temporary leader.
Step 2: Remove MPs from the tactical process, and call in a Rory Stewart type to reverse engineer the UK's needs five years from now.
Step 3: Hold a leadership convention to determine the face of the party come the next GE.
Houchen needs to write a public mea culpa and send it to Private Eye and the FT (the only two titles doing any digging into his corruption).
In my constituency there was no Reform candidate. Hexham NE England. There was a direct swing from Conservative (-14%) to Labour (+15.2%). A little bit of tactical voting by libdems and boundary changes. In the neighbouring n northumberland seat where Reform did stand Labour +13% and Conservative -29% with Reform on a vote share of 15%
The Conservative decline started with Johnson. Its only when the majority of Tories realise that, that they will be able to move on.
Rottern.
LYING.
Jesus, why give radio time to someone who thinks it was a mistake that Johnson left? Really?
Hints at "national service" made the party unelectable for me. Read between the lines: Those who do it have military experience and will be in the first wave of concription in the event of war. Nope.
Well at least they can have an "existential crisis" on their own time now.
Once the Tories split they will have 60 seats each. There is no way the woke side can continue with that. The others should join Reform.
'road to redemption' you're never coming back to much water under the bridge now, the country needs to evolve fast.
Houchen is an out and out crook. He belongs in jail. It is an utter embarrassment that he sits in the lord's.
Tell me somewhere when Tories got it right
What did you do? 😱
I'm pretty sure Houchen is worried about a whoooooooole different thing given there will be some holding to account of people soon.
No Johnson, no Houchen.
There’s an old familiar phrase……you lost get over it
Tories still don't get it
You've got the UK problem then in England that red wall won't quickly forget you're broken promises.
Suella is about the only candidate not totally tarnished by it all.
Suella is in the wrong party.
@@maccagrabme Possibly
Dodgy Ben
There were many things that made people lose "trust" in the Tories (if they were naive enough to trust them in the first place) but the number 1 issue, other than the 2022 economic crash, was Party Gate. Other than somehow finding a way to reappoint Liz Truss as leader, the worst thing the Tories could do is going back to the Blonde Baffon.
Arguing for BJ - demented!
trust was lost because they COULDN'T GOVERN!
Still supporting Johnson after all his lies, wow
I rarely agree with Braverman, but I think her comments this morning were broadly correct when she said that the policies were largely irrelevant, it was the failure to deliver on any main policy commitment- immigration - NHS reform - Brexit - law & order - a better economy. Combine that with the sheer arrogance, lies and hypocrisy of Johnson, Cummings, etc.and the economic disaster that was Truss.
Don't forget the theft of £billions of taxpayer money.
Enjoy your copium
Who cares..
Mate… you lost so much of your vote share to Labour.
Oh dear it’s simple….you ignored the electorate on immigration, exiting the EU and ditching the ECHR, simples
Clown 🤡
We did exit the EU and it’s been a complete failure, ‘simples’
The simples who think brexit is a disaster won't admit we've been doing fine outside and saving 20 billion a year in EU membership for so called free trade and tens of billions in bailouts so I'd say quids in even though the Tories did nothing with Brexit.
@@maccagrabme not very bright are you?
Yesterday's people. Zero relevance.
You became fake
Reform are the opposition now labour MPs have done nothing else apart from talk about reform Blair talking about reform the Tory’s are a centre left party they just haven’t realised it yet they would agree with Labour on virtually everything
how many mps does reform have again?
@Monkeh99
4 but they (unfortunately) got a higher vote than the LDs.
@@anonUKFPTP. Vote count is irrelevant. Seats matter.