As a Warrior fan, I think it was the punch that did it, but for a different reason. Jordan Poole has been playing awfully this season. Like down right atrocious. He has shot us out of games, he gets in over his head and turns the ball over a lot on dribble drives and he is so bad on the defensive end he genuinely might as well not be there. Dray punched the talent out of Jordan. It also doesnt help that Wiggins has been MIA (prayers up for what ever is going on with him) and he might not come back at all. Payton wont play till the playoffs. We've had no backup to Looney and Dray and just get absolutely cooked when theyre not on the floor. We've relied on two way players (the only two way player to make it onto a team during the dynasty was Damion Lee and he was often scolded by the fan base). Curry has been injured. Klay has been streaky. Moody and PBJ dont get playing time. Donte and Kuminga have been a saving grace for us but they cant do everything.
@@Parlaydrenot confidence he is trash shoots low iq shots and dribbles to much he should just spit up until he gets his touch back because that young man is horrible
Jordan Poole plays his best when he’s in his rhythm and he’s confident. His best games are ones where he got good minutes and played with confidence. But since that punch Jordan has seemed off…. There’s still flashes of that greatness but you can tell he’s not confident anymore and I think it’s because of draymond.
I can’t leave all the blame on Green although he is at the root of it all. The slap on the wrist that he received for slugging a teammate, as a team leader, messed up the chemistry and disrupted what culture they had. 4 preseason games and a fine just doesn’t say much to the offender about how serious management and ownership took it. They were unfortunately more concerned with the leak of the video than the assault of a teammate that was at the root of it all.
As a warriors fan, there's so much weird stuff going on, from the punch, the coach insisting on playing a two-way guy accused of rape instead of developing the lottery picks he trusted with playoffs minutes last season to Bob Mayers's contract situation and of course all the injuries and random illnesses that have plagued the team through the season... I don't know there's so much off court distractions
Did Draymond become sorry before saying so ? A hollow apology is actually a threat. It says 'I have the power to socially punch down on you anytime, and get away with it'. It has that power till someone with the power to do so, holds Draymond's feet to the fire, or holds him accountable, or he comes out and level's with everyone on his own. The world is a lonely place when your Posse doesn't have your back. Like you said, lonelier still on the road.
Its really funny how Warriors copium actually had people believing that having someone you know, admire, reached a pinnacle with, and learned from lay you tf out on video for the entirety of your sport's media and fans to talk about is not something that wrecks and team or an individual
Yep, the season was over the minute that punched happened, the fact that the locker room leader would punch a young teammate in the face and ownership done nothing about sunk any chance of a repeat. The franchise picked winning and chasing a ring over establishing a culture and it cost them in the end.
Another factor not being discussed is the league itself has evolved and GSW might be a victim of their own success. In prior seasons the gap in ORTG between the Dubs and the average NBA team was well over 10 points, now it is half that. Nearly all teams playoff have at least one decent 3&D player and one guy who can hit over 38% from 3. So any defensive failings stand out even more
Back in school I got into a few fights and it is odd but I would usually become friends with whoever I got into a fight with. It happened a handful of times, not to mention the times I got into fights with my brother. And each time I fought my bro it ended up bringing us closer. Can this situation mirror those? I don’t know. But the chance is there. They just have to make sure they address it maturely face to face with good will and good intentions. I guess it comes down to egos. Can Draymond be sufficiently contrite and can Jordan be sufficiently forgiving? That is the question.
Interesting perspective I hadn’t considered yet. Peoples darkest moments can forge the strongest bonds, you’re right about that. Certainly seemed like it happened with Mike and Steve Kerr. But if thats gonna happen, it certainly hasn’t happened yet…
That happens when the talk that could (and should) have happened before the fight finally happens after the fight. Ouch + Silence turns to resentment or shame....the relationship can reach a point of no return. When Ouch + the relationship matters more than the beef leads to purging the toxicity.... health returns to the relationship.
but what if the fight went viral on every social media outlet though? and every time someone recognized you they would imitate you getting knocked tf out? there's no way in hell anyone would NOT resent the person that made them the butt of every joke like that... we never saw the MJ/Kerr punch so that element was never there
I think draymond stopped any chance of friendship when he’s refused to say sorry then made a documentary portraying himself as a victim of the situation
I mean everyone’s saying Draymond punched the confidence out of Poole but if one man can destroy your confidence like that even though you earned your place on one of the top teams in the NBA idk what to say about your mental game.
it started with a losing run and soon became a mental block. don't think there's a need to read into the punch too much. if it was any other organisation it would have played a bigger role but steph iggy klay loon - they will ensure that this team stay united. its just a mental barrier for them to overcome as a team right now. players in and out, and there is no familiarity and crowd support away from home.
I might disagree with the no crowd support away from home. I can only speak from my experience at the Moda Center but there are always a ton of Warriors fans. Now their are a ton of Bay Are Transplants in Portland (And a ton of Bay Area students and UofO and OSU) so maybe its different for other teams, but I feel like the Warriors have pretty good support on the road
@@synthetic_sports perhaps so. if it is however a team vibe thing i think it would have affected games in its totality not just away games. If a team hates each other or if there's a lack of trust it will show or spill out eventually. in this day and age rumours and reports would have been out. If a punch could be released to the public behind closed doors how can rumours or whispers of team disunity and bad blood not? but all that aside i do believe that the punch has wrecked poole's confidence not only as a player but on his place on this team. That is true.
What familiarity are you expecting away from home that they don’t already have when at home? Why isn’t it transferring to the road? As far as support on the road, that hasn’t changed as they still have large groups of Dubs fans at road arenas.
Would love it if the Warriors just gave up a future pick and traded Draymond for a solid defense, high energy, young player. Doesn't have to be anyone awesome, Draymond isn't that awesome. Jordan Poole did kinda have to go, but maybe it was because of Draymond? The Warriors' best chance at another title is not with the old core. Their best chance is getting young but talented guys around Steph who play good defense and don't turn the ball over. Of course that's abstract and harder than it sounds but I'm no basketball expert.
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I dont think Poole respects the way the organization handled the situation. As evidenced by his lack of discipline. Why respect the organization if they dont do the right thing.
The punch is part of it but it did not wreck them. It’s the fact that they can’t play the same way they have from 2015-2019. And what I mean by that is that they played defense at home more than they did on the road. On the road they just tried out score teams which was easy given the pieces they had. They don’t have those types of players now. They don’t have KD. The chemistry is just not like it was before.
As a Golden State Fan I can tell you This, the Punch didn't Hurt Golden State this Season, it was their Horrible Defense, and Injuries, plus the Lack of a Big Man too. Plus ever since January, I have lost Faith in Jordan Poole, He's in Over his Head and he thinks he's already Great, but his Inconsistencies have Hurt the Dubs too. Now its time to Trade away Jordan Poole, and Moses Moody for a Center who can help the Dubs on Defense, and Scoring in the Paint and from the Outside. I suggest trade Pools and Moody for either Rudy Gobert, Jusuf Nurkic, Myles Turner or Jaren Jacksom
I think the punch is a huge thing. Did you see the first lakers warriors game ring night. The bench was not feeling draymond at all. Part of draymonds value was always being vocal / a leader on the time. That’s gone. Kevon looney has talked how he’s had to step up as voice The punch isn’t the only reason the team sucks, but you can’t pretend it hasn’t affected dynamics for the worse
The punch was bad. But if it was 'that' bad, it would still affect their home games. They just start getting crazy with shooting risky threes instead of going to the paint, which they do every so often and it pays off. So even if the defense isn't great, they don't fall so far behind. Draymond always hustles. Dante always hustles. Curry always hustles. Looney always hustles. Poole has flashes of greatness; but man, he gets goofy and sloppy and maybe just starts showboating a bit much which leads to turnovers. Klay is having a great season since January, but it still feels inconsistent. And too often I see him just stand around, while Curry is scurrying around the court like a jackrabbit nonstop. I think they have a chance. If they make it to the playoffs, they will do very well against the other teams in 7 game playoffs. But now I'm not sure they'll even get there. And in a way... I do wonder if they are 'taking it easy' on the road to save up energy. Feeling they're good enough to keep a spot in the playoff seed and take it from there. But that's a risky move. Who knows?
No. Wiggins is easily the worst co star amongst current contenders and last years title isnt recognized for the the half way curry carry that it actually was. And they wouldnt have even won that if the celtics hadnt tried to win the worlds first chip without a ball handler
Draymond a Kevin looney are the only reason road games dont become 30+ point blowouts Jordan poole in the memphis game had -33 plus minus score while the only person to have a positive one was draymond with 1.Jordan Poole cannot play for the warriors he dosen't take care of the ball puts up awful shots and won't pass to steph.I think the problem is Poole he thinks hes a superstar when he's not and he's ruining the franchise right now.
The Warriors aren't struggling. They'll make the playoffs. They play on emotions. Hence, the "punch' 👊. They're family. So, tge onus is on Steve Kerr. Who's experienced such emotions as well. As you reported. The Bucks will win the NBA Championship this year. But, the Warriors are winners. Unlike, LeBron.
It's Poole who wrecked it by being so arrogant so he got punched. They got money ego problems after winning last season. Wiggs not playing much, Poole always tries to play big and becomes so unreliable, Dray got more furious because of that "max" contract. Good thing Klay is carrying the team when it is needed the most. And Looney is the best in the team, Divicenzo is very good, Kuminga and Moody are growing well too.
Not the punch just poor choices. Poole and Wiggins are wayyyyy over paid. Wiggins shouldn’t have been an All star and Poole is only good when Curry and Thompson are on the floor as well. Also should have just paid Gary Payton and Traded Wiseman for some REAL help
Or youtuber making drama for everything So everytime warriors win 2 or 3 games RUclipsr come with topic 👉🏽warriors fouled everyone. League is in danger And after loosing 2 , 3 game again now warriors are this , this is the reason ....etc
or did it wreck the haters? as they have never stopped crying and whining over the Warriors? 🤣 Sorry your idol's team in LA are struggling and you are all back playing the blaming game. As usual. Westbrick must be so relieved to get out of that toxic fan base.
Unless the punch caused our whole team to collectively play like a lottery team on the road (despite having an elite home record). No, it did not wreck the team
Bro, ths punch affecting the warriors is such a stupid take, so basically, ur saying it magically stops affecting the warriors at home, but away it magically starts to affect them again?? You really haven't been watching the games.
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Simply put, he punched the skill and confidence out of Jordan Poole
I don’t think it’s the skill, that’s still there, it’s just the confidence, that’s what’s gone
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As a Warrior fan, I think it was the punch that did it, but for a different reason. Jordan Poole has been playing awfully this season. Like down right atrocious. He has shot us out of games, he gets in over his head and turns the ball over a lot on dribble drives and he is so bad on the defensive end he genuinely might as well not be there. Dray punched the talent out of Jordan. It also doesnt help that Wiggins has been MIA (prayers up for what ever is going on with him) and he might not come back at all. Payton wont play till the playoffs. We've had no backup to Looney and Dray and just get absolutely cooked when theyre not on the floor. We've relied on two way players (the only two way player to make it onto a team during the dynasty was Damion Lee and he was often scolded by the fan base). Curry has been injured. Klay has been streaky. Moody and PBJ dont get playing time. Donte and Kuminga have been a saving grace for us but they cant do everything.
agree with everything your saying as a warriors fan
Confidence is tricky like that
A punch can shake a young man’s confidence. Poole’s greatest intangible happens to be his confidence.
@@Parlaydrenot confidence he is trash shoots low iq shots and dribbles to much he should just spit up until he gets his touch back because that young man is horrible
All that said, you just punch the nigga? How immature of a man do you have to be instead of addressing the actual issue of his play?
Man really slid Ben Simmons in there 💀
Jordan Poole plays his best when he’s in his rhythm and he’s confident. His best games are ones where he got good minutes and played with confidence. But since that punch Jordan has seemed off…. There’s still flashes of that greatness but you can tell he’s not confident anymore and I think it’s because of draymond.
I can’t leave all the blame on Green although he is at the root of it all. The slap on the wrist that he received for slugging a teammate, as a team leader, messed up the chemistry and disrupted what culture they had. 4 preseason games and a fine just doesn’t say much to the offender about how serious management and ownership took it. They were unfortunately more concerned with the leak of the video than the assault of a teammate that was at the root of it all.
The weirdest part was when Draymond literally did a full cinematic documentary that aired before the first game talking about the punch
As a warriors fan, there's so much weird stuff going on, from the punch, the coach insisting on playing a two-way guy accused of rape instead of developing the lottery picks he trusted with playoffs minutes last season to Bob Mayers's contract situation and of course all the injuries and random illnesses that have plagued the team through the season...
I don't know there's so much off court distractions
Who was accused of rape?
@@stop.juststop Anthony Lamb
@@stop.juststop I guess Vani E. Mtz is right, he's accused of going in someones backdoor without permission.
@@ronepting5030 door shouldn't have been left open then
Did Draymond become sorry before saying so ? A hollow apology is actually a threat. It says 'I have the power to socially punch down on you anytime, and get away with it'.
It has that power till someone with the power to do so, holds Draymond's feet to the fire, or holds him accountable, or he comes out and level's with everyone on his own.
The world is a lonely place when your Posse doesn't have your back. Like you said, lonelier still on the road.
Its really funny how Warriors copium actually had people believing that having someone you know, admire, reached a pinnacle with, and learned from lay you tf out on video for the entirety of your sport's media and fans to talk about is not something that wrecks and team or an individual
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Yep, the season was over the minute that punched happened, the fact that the locker room leader would punch a young teammate in the face and ownership done nothing about sunk any chance of a repeat. The franchise picked winning and chasing a ring over establishing a culture and it cost them in the end.
Another factor not being discussed is the league itself has evolved and GSW might be a victim of their own success. In prior seasons the gap in ORTG between the Dubs and the average NBA team was well over 10 points, now it is half that. Nearly all teams playoff have at least one decent 3&D player and one guy who can hit over 38% from 3. So any defensive failings stand out even more
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Back in school I got into a few fights and it is odd but I would usually become friends with whoever I got into a fight with. It happened a handful of times, not to mention the times I got into fights with my brother. And each time I fought my bro it ended up bringing us closer. Can this situation mirror those? I don’t know. But the chance is there. They just have to make sure they address it maturely face to face with good will and good intentions. I guess it comes down to egos. Can Draymond be sufficiently contrite and can Jordan be sufficiently forgiving? That is the question.
Interesting perspective I hadn’t considered yet. Peoples darkest moments can forge the strongest bonds, you’re right about that. Certainly seemed like it happened with Mike and Steve Kerr. But if thats gonna happen, it certainly hasn’t happened yet…
That happens when the talk that could (and should) have happened before the fight finally happens after the fight.
Ouch + Silence turns to resentment or shame....the relationship can reach a point of no return.
When Ouch + the relationship matters more than the beef leads to purging the toxicity.... health returns to the relationship.
but what if the fight went viral on every social media outlet though? and every time someone recognized you they would imitate you getting knocked tf out? there's no way in hell anyone would NOT resent the person that made them the butt of every joke like that... we never saw the MJ/Kerr punch so that element was never there
I think draymond stopped any chance of friendship when he’s refused to say sorry then made a documentary portraying himself as a victim of the situation
I mean everyone’s saying Draymond punched the confidence out of Poole but if one man can destroy your confidence like that even though you earned your place on one of the top teams in the NBA idk what to say about your mental game.
when they travel, Kerr lets them rest and they don't practice or scrimmage
it started with a losing run and soon became a mental block. don't think there's a need to read into the punch too much. if it was any other organisation it would have played a bigger role but steph iggy klay loon - they will ensure that this team stay united. its just a mental barrier for them to overcome as a team right now. players in and out, and there is no familiarity and crowd support away from home.
I might disagree with the no crowd support away from home. I can only speak from my experience at the Moda Center but there are always a ton of Warriors fans. Now their are a ton of Bay Are Transplants in Portland (And a ton of Bay Area students and UofO and OSU) so maybe its different for other teams, but I feel like the Warriors have pretty good support on the road
@@synthetic_sports perhaps so. if it is however a team vibe thing i think it would have affected games in its totality not just away games. If a team hates each other or if there's a lack of trust it will show or spill out eventually. in this day and age rumours and reports would have been out. If a punch could be released to the public behind closed doors how can rumours or whispers of team disunity and bad blood not? but all that aside i do believe that the punch has wrecked poole's confidence not only as a player but on his place on this team. That is true.
What familiarity are you expecting away from home that they don’t already have when at home? Why isn’t it transferring to the road?
As far as support on the road, that hasn’t changed as they still have large groups of Dubs fans at road arenas.
Would love it if the Warriors just gave up a future pick and traded Draymond for a solid defense, high energy, young player. Doesn't have to be anyone awesome, Draymond isn't that awesome. Jordan Poole did kinda have to go, but maybe it was because of Draymond? The Warriors' best chance at another title is not with the old core. Their best chance is getting young but talented guys around Steph who play good defense and don't turn the ball over. Of course that's abstract and harder than it sounds but I'm no basketball expert.
Yes, yes it did
Jordan Pool is inefficient shooter this year, just like he was last year, year before, year before. What's new??
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Punch for punch end of story
Warriors/Steph Curry are much like the Patriots/Tom Brady. Whenever we sense the downfall has arrived, they refuse to go away.
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The punched wrecked the whole western conference
It was the punch.
Does anyone know what it was about?
Jp said something that pissed Draymond off
Why did Ben Simmons show up on screen when you say "it's pretty bad"
That’s a good theory. You make good points and I think the team got selfish in the last few years and egos became bigger than winning in some way
I dont think Poole respects the way the organization handled the situation. As evidenced by his lack of discipline.
Why respect the organization if they dont do the right thing.
This would just be easy if Green gave Poole one chance to just sock him back.
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The punch is part of it but it did not wreck them. It’s the fact that they can’t play the same way they have from 2015-2019. And what I mean by that is that they played defense at home more than they did on the road. On the road they just tried out score teams which was easy given the pieces they had. They don’t have those types of players now. They don’t have KD. The chemistry is just not like it was before.
Short answer is no. Something is wrong with the warriors but a punch wouldn't only affect a team on away games.
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the punch led to the jordan poole contract, so u can say that
the warriors need draymon for his defense
As a Golden State Fan I can tell you This, the Punch didn't Hurt Golden State this Season, it was their Horrible Defense, and Injuries, plus the Lack of a Big Man too. Plus ever since January, I have lost Faith in Jordan Poole, He's in Over his Head and he thinks he's already Great, but his Inconsistencies have Hurt the Dubs too.
Now its time to Trade away Jordan Poole, and Moses Moody for a Center who can help the Dubs on Defense, and Scoring in the Paint and from the Outside. I suggest trade Pools and Moody for either Rudy Gobert, Jusuf Nurkic, Myles Turner or Jaren Jacksom
Don’t disagree with all the other problems, I just think the punch is magnifying them
I think the punch is a huge thing. Did you see the first lakers warriors game ring night. The bench was not feeling draymond at all. Part of draymonds value was always being vocal / a leader on the time. That’s gone. Kevon looney has talked how he’s had to step up as voice
The punch isn’t the only reason the team sucks, but you can’t pretend it hasn’t affected dynamics for the worse
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The punch was bad. But if it was 'that' bad, it would still affect their home games. They just start getting crazy with shooting risky threes instead of going to the paint, which they do every so often and it pays off. So even if the defense isn't great, they don't fall so far behind. Draymond always hustles. Dante always hustles. Curry always hustles. Looney always hustles. Poole has flashes of greatness; but man, he gets goofy and sloppy and maybe just starts showboating a bit much which leads to turnovers. Klay is having a great season since January, but it still feels inconsistent. And too often I see him just stand around, while Curry is scurrying around the court like a jackrabbit nonstop.
I think they have a chance. If they make it to the playoffs, they will do very well against the other teams in 7 game playoffs. But now I'm not sure they'll even get there.
And in a way... I do wonder if they are 'taking it easy' on the road to save up energy. Feeling they're good enough to keep a spot in the playoff seed and take it from there. But that's a risky move. Who knows?
No. Wiggins is easily the worst co star amongst current contenders and last years title isnt recognized for the the half way curry carry that it actually was. And they wouldnt have even won that if the celtics hadnt tried to win the worlds first chip without a ball handler
Personally I don’t think draymond is the problem in golden state
Bruh of course Steve Kerr got over it … it’s Steve Kerr
Draymond a Kevin looney are the only reason road games dont become 30+ point blowouts Jordan poole in the memphis game had -33 plus minus score while the only person to have a positive one was draymond with 1.Jordan Poole cannot play for the warriors he dosen't take care of the ball puts up awful shots and won't pass to steph.I think the problem is Poole he thinks hes a superstar when he's not and he's ruining the franchise right now.
IMO, The Punch Is Not Why The WARRIORS Have Struggled Defensively. They Are Struggling Due To The Departure Of Assistant Coach Mike Brown.
I think KD leaving is the funniest L move ever
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The Warriors aren't struggling. They'll make the playoffs. They play on emotions. Hence, the "punch' 👊. They're family. So, tge onus is on Steve Kerr. Who's experienced such emotions as well. As you reported. The Bucks will win the NBA Championship this year. But, the Warriors are winners. Unlike, LeBron.
If JP and Wiggins are as close as I have heard, that's another interesting angle on why Wiggins may not be in any rush to return among other reasons.
nah. so many lineup changes. dudes getting money now so they change
It's Poole who wrecked it by being so arrogant so he got punched. They got money ego problems after winning last season. Wiggs not playing much, Poole always tries to play big and becomes so unreliable, Dray got more furious because of that "max" contract. Good thing Klay is carrying the team when it is needed the most. And Looney is the best in the team, Divicenzo is very good, Kuminga and Moody are growing well too.
It's possible that poole is purposely sabotaging the warriors defense so they may move on from green as he's getting older?? 🧐 🤔
Getting old and not caring much about the regular season.
they kill at home so it makes no sense. are dudes partying on the road lol?
Poole a star is a stretch.
Borderline star then. Certainly one of the “stars” on the team though
Not the punch just poor choices. Poole and Wiggins are wayyyyy over paid. Wiggins shouldn’t have been an All star and Poole is only good when Curry and Thompson are on the floor as well. Also should have just paid Gary Payton and Traded Wiseman for some REAL help
Or youtuber making drama for everything
So everytime warriors win 2 or 3 games
RUclipsr come with topic 👉🏽warriors fouled everyone. League is in danger
And after loosing 2 , 3 game again now warriors are this , this is the reason ....etc
or did it wreck the haters? as they have never stopped crying and whining over the Warriors? 🤣 Sorry your idol's team in LA are struggling and you are all back playing the blaming game. As usual. Westbrick must be so relieved to get out of that toxic fan base.
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Unless the punch caused our whole team to collectively play like a lottery team on the road (despite having an elite home record). No, it did not wreck the team
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Bro, ths punch affecting the warriors is such a stupid take, so basically, ur saying it magically stops affecting the warriors at home, but away it magically starts to affect them again??
You really haven't been watching the games.
I’m guessing u didn’t watch the video he never said it’s true or anything just speculation 🙄