and then leave crapy overpriced zen5 cpus!! but AMD will be in shit when Arrow lake would come,zen5 barrely matches 14900k in single core so Intel will not have hard work now with ipc uplift for several %
@@puffyips Arrow Lake now not to be 20% over Raptor Lake then 7-10% in ipc uplift and that will be more then enough to make zen5 and rest of amd cpus obsolete !! infact zen5 cpus now are crap too and behind of 14700k and 14900k ,13700k and 13900k in gaming and some productivity tasks and only good thing for AMD are that Intel have stability issues
I am so glad I read this. On mobile, the name is too long and you have to open the full description to see the eleven. Daniel is a brilliant mofo my god.
😍 my 9yo just for glasses and I teared up when he said I love them dad.. I can see better. 😢 I was afraid he would not want anything to do with it. I was so worried about him seeing the board at school. Life is good. 😊
Zen 5 isn't worse than Zen 4, it's just too expensive, so the value isn't there. They are probably even saving money with the production, since the 6nm process for the IO die is paid off and now cheaper than ever, while N4 needs fewer production steps than N5, on the same line, so should be cheaper too.
@@Psi-Storm the value is there for AMD where it counts, Using those CCD's on a low profit margin product like Ryzen is Bad value considering "Home Use" Benchmarks but once they put them on EPYC judging from the "Server" benchmarks they will have a winning product
I just bought all of my parts to build my very first PC and I got the 7800XT without knowing it even had a 4-game bonus. Right time, right product I suppose.
I got 4070 TiSuper a couple weeks back with Wukong.. maybe those 4 games would have been a better deal with the XT. Meh. I'd probably play them for 20 mins and go back to the witcher and I racing llol
@gameurai5701 I plan on getting Starfield and Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora. Lies of P is on Gamepass and Company of Heros 3 is an RTS and that's not my thing.
The Admin acct isn't "hidden" per say, its just disabled by default. For a reason. You can also just go in to User accounts under Computer Management > Local Users and Groups > Users and Enable it, you don't need to use fancy command line commands. Its right there along with Guest and other accounts. Its not hidden.
Its probably been long enough that most have forgotten but this is reminding me of the initial 40 series launch; priced high to drive 30 series sales where you ran the risk of getting scalped or mining cards. There are indications that the software might need an overhaul but this is a pretty bad look so far
Louis Rossman had a good video yesterday about how Intels struggles are actually very bad for the industry as a whole. Less competition and also in a bad spot financially. Worth the watch.
He just forgot that AMD was $4 billion in debt and ran 8 years straight in the reds and still bounced back. Intel has $191 billion in tangible assets, so they can take some more pounding without too much worry.
@@Dhruv-qw7jf What's sad is that this shit that's happening with Intel isn't even that bad compared to many reliability issues and design flaws, as well as the corporate responses to them, which Apple (and many other companies) have done. While Intel probably won't be as proactive as they should be about actually informing customers and making sure that they test to see if their CPUs have degraded, Intel is actually acknowledging the problem now, is extending warranties (and hopefully the problem isn't any worse than what they've acknowledged, but that's definitely still a concern). Many companies seem to somehow get away with just making BS arguments and pretending that design flaws or reliability flaws don't exist in their products. It's harder for Intel to get away with stuff like that because their chips are used in systems which are often highly modular, highly repairable, and people typically expect those systems to be able to actually work properly and reliably for 5 years or more, and obviously many Intel systems (and X86 systems in general) are used by very advanced users and you can't get away with that kind of BS when a large chunk of your customers are very knowledgeable and have much higher expectations and standards regarding reliability and repairability.
Depending on if the Arrow Lake rumors are true, my next build may actually end up being with the 9950x - as i need a workload/gaming mix CPU I agree. We need to be tech enthusiasts - not brand enthusiasts
Don't assume you're going to get free games from anywhere you buy. Sometimes you get screwed. I heard people got screwed through Amazon with no bundle. Only buy where it mentions the bundle if you want free stuff.
Damn...I just bought an RX 7900 GRE exactly a month ago. Well I can complain much, I got it for 530 euros which is actually a pretty good deal here in Spain.
hmm, with the game bundle stuff, what do they mean by "Windows OS only"? Asking because I got a 6700XT with that the last of us part 1 bundle, and I am a linux user. I tried using their product verification tool, but couldn't activate it. I contacted support and they helped me out and just gave me a key. So does this mean that they are not honoring the bundle if you use linux or how am i supposed to interpret that?
Good question. Maybe they actually can help you out if you're not on Windows, but they are warning people who aren't on Windows because it might be a lot more difficult to redeem the game without Windows. Maybe if you redeem the game on Windows and add it to a game account you can then play it on Steam OS or Ubuntu or whatever afterward (as long as the game is actually compatible of course).
@@kennethpereyda5707 It can be a great deal if you were planning to buy the game anyway. It actually seems strange to me because a LOT of game sales for new games often end up coming from these promotions. It seems weird to be able to get a 60 dollar-ish game included for free in hardware which you might have bought for the same price anyway. The game companies are only getting a few dollars for each one of these promo deals which get redeemed. I helped a guy build a PC a few years ago and I knew that he was a big Borderlands fan, so I made sure to point out to him that he could get Borderlands 3 for free with a Ryzen 3600X. Basically the only reason to buy the 3600X at the time was if you wanted to get the free game which came with it, because the 3600 was maybe 20 or 30 bucks cheaper, but didn't come with any games. But, it was a great deal for anybody who was already planning to get the game anyway. He was very surprised and happy to find out that he could get a new game he'd been planning to buy anyway included with his new system.
I agree with your statement. Good competition between the two main CPU providers is good for everyone generally equates to better prices overall and good competition promotes growth
Been waiting for you Daniel!!!!!!!!!11!!!!!!!1!!!!! The 1s really lose meaning when typing on a phone. Also, my 9yo just for his glasses so it's nice to see Daniel sport his. ☺️ Also, also, the way this man says "..or anything LIKE that.." is so satisfying. Why? Idfk
22:20 it shouldn't be expensive actually, memory chips are fairly cheap. It's just product segmentation and not giving people enough VRAM so that their GPU won't run out of it in apps in like 5 years is something they do just to ensure planned obsolescence. Memory chips are so cheap that there's no reason for any GPU above $300 to have anything less than 16GB of VRAM since it will surely become the norm in just a few years from now, considering current gen consoles already have 16GB VRAM.
Memory controllers take up a significant portion of the GPU die, which is made on the most expensive node available that has yields good enough to make such large dies possible. That's why they don't like giving you any more VRAM than absolutely necessary.
current gen consoles do not have 16 gb of vram, they have shared ram, meaning the system itself uses some of it etc. a normal PC also has 16 gb of system ram and like 8gb of vram. but you don't count the system ram to your total vram amount.
@@andersjjensen It's also to reduce the cost of the board, and it's also because more vram doesn't help much if at all in benchmarks when a videocard first releases. Having more vram is very useful, but it often takes 2-4 years before a model with more vram starts to really show its value.
Linux kernel compilation and generally code compilation was way faster on 13th and 14th gen intel cpus, if zen 5 can do this at those TDPs its an absolute win and I will probably swap if its true
With those Intel results, it's also good to keep in mind that there is going to be a 15th Gen as well. Still the i7 equivalent out preforming the older i9 by 4% isn't terrible. However, I'm not expecting Arrow Lake to be a huge leap in perf either. I would just like to see that they're resolved whatever the Raptor Lake issues are.
If I understand correctly, Arrow Lake is going to be on a significantly more advanced manufacturing process, so it kind-of needs to be a lot better than the 13th and 14th gen CPUs, because it's going to be quite expensive for Intel to make, and it may take a while for them to ramp up production, so Arrow Lake CPUs may come with a hefty price premium to go with a hefty performance increase.
12:28 your caution is almost unwarranted. Most people are logged in with an Admin account on their personal systems anyway. The only thing that will really be different is you might get a UAC alert you would have to click if logged into your normal user admin account. But both accounts are admin and can essentially do the same things. The way people dismiss and auto click things now a days, you're really not being offered that much extra protection. However, I would be surprised if Microsoft didn't fix the bug in the near future.
11:42 maybe windows reserved some cpu performance, so the windows desktop runs smoothly all the time, which would be kind of dumb, when you just want do game at maximum fps
Wonder if this admin mode disables some background task/security features... Would explain the 3 percent on average difference when forcing a cpu bottleneck.
It disables UAC (User Access Control) entirely. It's basically the Windows XP security model. This "discovery" is not new. This model was introduced with Windows Vista and has slightly degraded performance, at the expense of somewhat improved security, ever since.
Windows is scheduling games core 0 physical thread, core 0 logical thread, core 1 physical thread, core 1 logical thread etc. on zen 5 when it should be core 0-7 physical thread, core 0-7 logical thread. Some games are running faster on Linux even with the overhead from the compatibility layer. That means Windows is under performing by at least 5%.
Cool game bundles with AMD stuff, except in Japan. As someone who lives in Japan and keeps hearing about the cool bundles you get with GPUs and CPUs but can never find them, this suddenly makes sense. Not in a way I enjoy mind.
Where I live I got my 7800x3d for 230 Microcenter+mobo combos be wack yo Well technically I had to drive across state an hour but worth, badass burger joint just next to the store.
@@Petch85 might be able to get a 7900x3d for a bit cheaper, with the new updates it should be better off now I remember seeing it for like 30 dollars less
@@ICCUWANSIUT The 7900X3D is a complicated CPU to redomend for anyone. But some people might be happy with it. The prices I can find right now is ~385$. So I think most people would be better off with a 7700 210$ (value) or a 7800X3D at 340$ (best gaming).
i absolutely wouldnt mind if amd went for a clearly split lineup - normal and X cpus for production performances and the x3d for specialized (gaming) tasks if anything they should just focus on those ways and peoples perception would certainly improve, as everyone could easily check if the cpu is suited for their needs advertising them accordingly would be a real improvement for everyone
I'm having a great day and I hope so do you, my 13700k not so much. Even at 5.1 GHZ, it started suddenly crashing with Elden Ring. Reduced dynamic core voltage to -0.050 and it's working flawlessly again. I think I can actually up my frequency now, but maybe I should undervolt it even further. Temps went from 80+ to 70s using a Noctual NH D15. Why would Intel sell an overvolted and decaying product. Has nothing to do with your nice comment, but I just needed to vent a bit.
@@Mark-h1m7o so what you're saying is that 12th gen is also affected by the stability issues.. very interesting considering Intel just straight up denied that.
You guys at the top.. bumming me out. I wish the manufacturing of silicon was not so expensive so these companies did not have to push CPUs beyond reasonable levels. Tsmc prices is going up and Intel's own fabs are bad enough that Intel themselves don't want to use them lmao wtf has become of this industry. I look at nodes like 1.5nm with a bit of disbelief. We are hitting a wall and the hints are everywhere. Expect future non trash CPUs to continue to be more expensive. Oof
I agree, im mean the I9 14900K pulls 407w of power. That is the same power consumption as an RTX 4090. Even intel's mid range cpu's like the I5 14600k uses 173w of power and and is close to 200W. That is the same power consumption as the base RTX 4070. Even the lowest I5 14400f uses 148w. That is the same as an RTX 4060 Ti power consumption.
What i love about the game bundles in Japan, is they already charge us double that of the US based on the abysmal purchasing power of the Japanese yen GPU pricing is equally ridiculous. Only Intel Arc seems fairly priced...
Wait, I picked up a 7800X3D a few days ago, where do I get the games? Update:. Got my CPU at Micro Center, not on list of retailers giving the game bundles. T-T
Just a note, a lot of time, AMD is much closer in price to the competition in Japan, 3000 series and 5000 GPU were the exception, but after that, it was a much closer call imo.
Windows really keeps making AMD look bad. Same with their Windows update bug, which would force your AMD graphics driver to downgrade to outdated buggy AMD drivers.
@@kennethpereyda5707 You're right, wasn't reading it properly and thinking about the performance issue with the local admin account that HUB reported on.
Who knows if it's Windows to blame. Maybe AMD messed up some internal number of the driver that defines whether it's the newer one or not, so Win kept downloading the wrong one. I don't know ofc, but people are too quick to shift them blame from AMD at someone else.
I have a 7950X but I was under the impression these are not geared toward people focused on gaming, so I'm confused by the direction your video started with. For gaming, it was my understanding AMD had some lower tier CPU's that are not only better for gaming, but might be considered the 1080ti of its time. I think GNexus mentioned they are looking to do more test better suited for 7950X type CPU's. Last I remember, some of the comments were giving them ideas on what test to run. I'm still waiting for GPU AI performance tests.
Windows on Arm needs to support 3rd party GPUs. That would put an end to the complaint of the weak GPU. But it's a lot of work and requires support from AMD and NVIDIA. Not sure that's going to happen anytime soon.
The "most positive" review of the 9000 series that I've seen, is that it's great at certain specific industry tasks, and that it kinda represents a very robust backbone upgrade upon which to build a very strong cpu for other tasks like gaming and others, in the future. But that for over-the-counter sales, AMD probably should have flushed out that potential a little more before releasing. (the bread is still a little too doughy) My own observation, is that finfet 4nm does NOT offer 20% (processing ~or~ power) savings over finfet 5nm. In fact the smaller node seems to offer almost nothing to the architecture. So... depending on whether it's really a 20% smaller node (there's some marketing spin in node naming these days), it's possible that cpu cores have reached a possible diminishing returns cliff re: node size. Or put another way - a somewhat more conductive semi-conductor material may be needed to explore anything approaching linear benefits to node shrink at sub-5nm.
MLID is alluding to Windows software not working well with Zen 5 because it was launch aggressively without due diligence, they failed to check if Windows ready at launch. MLID thinks this needs to be a reboot once the updates/ micro codes are in place.
Dual predictors pipelines & decoders are not working properly on Zen 5 in single thread, they basically not using both for single thread. They work fine for Specific instruction sets like AVX 512 & others on single threads for some odd reason. Zen 5 is either broken or bugged currently.
you have the most sane point of view on pc parts really appreciate i am allergic to xxx is killed or in trouble based on youtubers amd ngreedia intel was destroyed before dinosaurs
Daniel, those ARM windows systems. Doesn't even support AVX2. It is a lot they are not supporting, it will get there but it is not just GPU drivers missing.
10:00 This made me loose all faith in Hardware Unboxed's competence. This is the oldest well-known performance changer, its name is enviroment variables. You can get dramatically different performance on cpu-bound tests by changing stuff like account user-name, contents of path variable etc. The reason is that these things are used in system calls made by an app, so you end up changing the memory alignment and other stuff. This topic is long but TLDR admin will not give you better performance, it will give you a random performance boost/penality per app.
9950x is probably a power house CPU miner. IDK much about it all but with the Linux performance being up, i would imagine it could mine. Just a guess, with very little research.
To be honest many more of these will be sold for exactly that, gamers and enthusiasts are a small margin of sales. I want one because its a compile monster and will shave lots of time off of work time so there is more game time. 🤣
It's just one game, but apparently Assetto Corsa runs 18% faster on Zen 5 than with Zen 4, and with good improvements to frame-time consistency as well. It is a good indicator that there is at least some hope that with further improvements to Windows, compilers, game engines, etc.. the 9000 series might actually offer significant performance improvements in a lot of newer and more demanding games (and/or other applications) over the next few years. Zen 5 also seems to overclock surprisingly well, at least compared to Zen 2, 3, and 4. This is a new architecture, with some significant new features and changes compared to Zen 4, and sometimes it can take a long time before those new features are taken advantage of by most software. Chip designers have to sometimes introduce new architectural features for the benefit of long-term performance gains, at the expense of not being able to offers as many improvements out of the game when the hardware first becomes available, but it's hard to know to what extent this will be true with Zen 5. Sometimes you have to build the new architectural features before you can expect software companies to start working on how to figure out to best use those features. It took forever for software to leverage multiple cores well, for example.
The x3d variants will be the ones with the gaming uplift is what i suspect. Remember am5 doubles as a server socket essentially so they're not going only for gaming market. Idk why everyone who watches tech channels think tech only exists for gamers
@@GoonyMclinux What about laptops and other low powered devices? Zen5 is built for efficiency, it might actually be dominant in those market segment. And if Windows fixes it bugs, we might get to see even more uplift hopefully. I'm just waiting to see what Strix Halo could do.
@@andersjjensen Yes, SVM is for VMs, however, SME is memory.(SVM/VTX and SME/TME) being disabled still ensures no virtualization is taking place and leaving SVM on doesn't serve a purpose unless you are sandboxing. Memory integrity feature will disappear in OS if you disable SME. Performance is gained by doing it in BIOS, not just the OS level.
Some games are cache sensitive, some are memory bandwidth sensitive, some are sensitive to memory timings, some really only benefit from clock cycles/IPC... Now if you look at the difference between the 9700 and the 7700 the 9700 has slightly more L2 cache and in cache sensitive games that helps. Judging by the LARGE jump in performance for the X3D chips the only conclusion is that MOST GAMES benefit from more cache much more than anything else. We see exactly the same thing with the GPU's, anytime a GPU has to go out to system memory its performance tanks. Ideally games would never need to access anything outside of Cache, and GPU would never need to go to system memory.
That's not even close to being a practical design, at least not for any kind of normal consumer graphics card! XD It's not just a matter of making the caches bigger, it's about the designers finding ways to make larger cache sizes feasible, and trying to lower the manufacturing costs. Chiplet designs and stackable cache designs are showing a lot of promise, but the idea of a graphics card which only uses cache instead of vram seems pretty absurd, like science fiction!
@@syncmonism I am not saying GPU's need gigabytes of cache... I am saying that the minimum VRAM on a GPU needs to be more than 8GB... that was my point, I would also argue that processors should incorporate more Cache, maybe move up to 48mb instead of the 32... that was my point.
The conclusion heree is that the 9000 series processors are a good perrformance improvement for work but not for gaming. If you want a gaming chip you will have to wait for the X3d chips to release.
Maybe AMD wants to try to clear out the 7000 series faster this time?
Because they want you to only have 9000 as an option.
and then leave crapy overpriced zen5 cpus!! but AMD will be in shit when Arrow lake would come,zen5 barrely matches 14900k in single core so Intel will not have hard work now with ipc uplift for several %
@@Mr11ESSE111yes, when arrow lake would came… 😂🤡
@@puffyips Arrow Lake now not to be 20% over Raptor Lake then 7-10% in ipc uplift and that will be more then enough to make zen5 and rest of amd cpus obsolete !! infact zen5 cpus now are crap too and behind of 14700k and 14900k ,13700k and 13900k in gaming and some productivity tasks and only good thing for AMD are that Intel have stability issues
@@Mr11ESSE1114% faster than 14900K!!!
How did you accidentally turn your accidental exclamation 1's into a full on typed out eleven? That's insane! Scientists are baffled.
I only knew that from the forums on Heise online (publisher of c't magazin).
Well, it's (almost) friday, and then some trolling is allowed :-D
]-[4Xx0]2 73]-[ ]º14/\/37!!1!!!!11~!
I am so glad I read this. On mobile, the name is too long and you have to open the full description to see the eleven. Daniel is a brilliant mofo my god.
Aw... my beautiful exclamation of joy was censored. 🥺
I don’t understand the relevance of this. Why has he written eleven at the end of that line?
Nice glasses, the maths teacher look goes hard
😍 my 9yo just for glasses and I teared up when he said I love them dad.. I can see better. 😢 I was afraid he would not want anything to do with it. I was so worried about him seeing the board at school. Life is good. 😊
@@christophermullins7163 That´s the sweetest thing ever, you´re a great dad!
> Nice glasses, the maths teacher look
You saw the glasses? I couldn't see them behind the giant pecs! 🤤
@@noobsaibot7108 pecs or moobs?
@@noobsaibot7108 for reallll
AMD could not lose to Intel this time, so they decided to lose to themselves
🤣
Zen 5 isn't worse than Zen 4, it's just too expensive, so the value isn't there. They are probably even saving money with the production, since the 6nm process for the IO die is paid off and now cheaper than ever, while N4 needs fewer production steps than N5, on the same line, so should be cheaper too.
@@Psi-Storm Zen5%*
@@Psi-Storm the value is there for AMD where it counts, Using those CCD's on a low profit margin product like Ryzen is Bad value considering "Home Use" Benchmarks but once they put them on EPYC judging from the "Server" benchmarks they will have a winning product
5% @@Psi-Storm
@Larathu These CPUs will use the yields that don't cut it for server. It all makes sense except the price at launch.
I just bought all of my parts to build my very first PC and I got the 7800XT without knowing it even had a 4-game bonus. Right time, right product I suppose.
Which games did you get?
Nice surprise!
@@gameurai5701all 4 of them
I got 4070 TiSuper a couple weeks back with Wukong.. maybe those 4 games would have been a better deal with the XT. Meh. I'd probably play them for 20 mins and go back to the witcher and I racing llol
@gameurai5701 I plan on getting Starfield and Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora. Lies of P is on Gamepass and Company of Heros 3 is an RTS and that's not my thing.
The Admin acct isn't "hidden" per say, its just disabled by default. For a reason. You can also just go in to User accounts under Computer Management > Local Users and Groups > Users and Enable it, you don't need to use fancy command line commands. Its right there along with Guest and other accounts. Its not hidden.
Pro version afaik not on home, you have to do it from the command prompt like HUB shows.
I just go flashbanged by Daniel in 28:22 time stamp. Thanks for the flash grenade. Maybe give a heads-up next time.
AMD seems to be trying to clear inventory with the game bundle. I'd rather have a discount than a bundle.
I guess the weird video title is just his quirk now.
Its probably been long enough that most have forgotten but this is reminding me of the initial 40 series launch; priced high to drive 30 series sales where you ran the risk of getting scalped or mining cards. There are indications that the software might need an overhaul but this is a pretty bad look so far
Louis Rossman had a good video yesterday about how Intels struggles are actually very bad for the industry as a whole. Less competition and also in a bad spot financially. Worth the watch.
He also said that Intel should definitely have to refund the consumers who got sold defective parts.
Louis' voice sounds like a lullaby.
He just forgot that AMD was $4 billion in debt and ran 8 years straight in the reds and still bounced back. Intel has $191 billion in tangible assets, so they can take some more pounding without too much worry.
Hopefully they do better. Maybe they'll give us actually good platform longevity at competitive prices.
@@Dhruv-qw7jf What's sad is that this shit that's happening with Intel isn't even that bad compared to many reliability issues and design flaws, as well as the corporate responses to them, which Apple (and many other companies) have done. While Intel probably won't be as proactive as they should be about actually informing customers and making sure that they test to see if their CPUs have degraded, Intel is actually acknowledging the problem now, is extending warranties (and hopefully the problem isn't any worse than what they've acknowledged, but that's definitely still a concern).
Many companies seem to somehow get away with just making BS arguments and pretending that design flaws or reliability flaws don't exist in their products. It's harder for Intel to get away with stuff like that because their chips are used in systems which are often highly modular, highly repairable, and people typically expect those systems to be able to actually work properly and reliably for 5 years or more, and obviously many Intel systems (and X86 systems in general) are used by very advanced users and you can't get away with that kind of BS when a large chunk of your customers are very knowledgeable and have much higher expectations and standards regarding reliability and repairability.
The biggest pc related news for me is a new micro center 4 hours away 🤣
That's awesome!
Depending on if the Arrow Lake rumors are true, my next build may actually end up being with the 9950x - as i need a workload/gaming mix CPU
I agree. We need to be tech enthusiasts - not brand enthusiasts
Don't assume you're going to get free games from anywhere you buy. Sometimes you get screwed. I heard people got screwed through Amazon with no bundle. Only buy where it mentions the bundle if you want free stuff.
Damn...I just bought an RX 7900 GRE exactly a month ago. Well I can complain much, I got it for 530 euros which is actually a pretty good deal here in Spain.
PSA: Do NOT use login to your PC as Admin as that'll disable many features of Windows designed to protect your computer.
Yes. Using the administrator account on a regular basis is a very bad idea.
counter offer: its my pc ill do what i want, im sick of 'are you sure? enter your password' prompts.
@@quantum5661 Yeah but then don't be surprised if your PC gets hijacked
Do you even watch his video.
@@damara2268 I mean as long as you're not an idiot the chance of that is actually quite slim all things considered but it's still a dumb move.
hmm, with the game bundle stuff, what do they mean by "Windows OS only"? Asking because I got a 6700XT with that the last of us part 1 bundle, and I am a linux user. I tried using their product verification tool, but couldn't activate it. I contacted support and they helped me out and just gave me a key. So does this mean that they are not honoring the bundle if you use linux or how am i supposed to interpret that?
Good question. Maybe they actually can help you out if you're not on Windows, but they are warning people who aren't on Windows because it might be a lot more difficult to redeem the game without Windows. Maybe if you redeem the game on Windows and add it to a game account you can then play it on Steam OS or Ubuntu or whatever afterward (as long as the game is actually compatible of course).
The question is why are you using Linux?
I think it probably means Windows OS only
7800XT you basically get 250$ of games so the gpu is like 200$. Insane deal.
Bro is spongebob
but what if I don't want those games? Can I get 250$ of discount?
none of which most people won't play
@@kennethpereyda5707 It can be a great deal if you were planning to buy the game anyway. It actually seems strange to me because a LOT of game sales for new games often end up coming from these promotions. It seems weird to be able to get a 60 dollar-ish game included for free in hardware which you might have bought for the same price anyway. The game companies are only getting a few dollars for each one of these promo deals which get redeemed.
I helped a guy build a PC a few years ago and I knew that he was a big Borderlands fan, so I made sure to point out to him that he could get Borderlands 3 for free with a Ryzen 3600X. Basically the only reason to buy the 3600X at the time was if you wanted to get the free game which came with it, because the 3600 was maybe 20 or 30 bucks cheaper, but didn't come with any games. But, it was a great deal for anybody who was already planning to get the game anyway. He was very surprised and happy to find out that he could get a new game he'd been planning to buy anyway included with his new system.
Only if you were already planning to buy all 4 of those games lol
Plz Tango give us EVIL WITHIN 3 already don't keep us hanging on ryuk plz
I agree with your statement. Good competition between the two main CPU providers is good for everyone generally equates to better prices overall and good competition promotes growth
It's good for consumers if companies in general have good competition against each other. The tribalism needs to stop
It's obvious the admin mode has a built in higher priority for i/o operations as proven by the 1% lows.
You saying on god bruh?
That's a 2 fps difference
Run the test 8 times and tell me again lol
Follow-up question; which settings would we need to change on our regular windows user account to match settings/performance of an admin account?
Make a video about DLSS vs DLAA vs DLDSR vs DLAA vs DLSS quality + native vs DLDSR 1.75X + dlss meduim and all sort of comprasions with DLDSR.
thanks
Been waiting for you Daniel!!!!!!!!!11!!!!!!!1!!!!!
The 1s really lose meaning when typing on a phone.
Also, my 9yo just for his glasses so it's nice to see Daniel sport his. ☺️
Also, also, the way this man says "..or anything LIKE that.." is so satisfying. Why? Idfk
Major W with the Hardware Unboxed shoutout.
22:20 it shouldn't be expensive actually, memory chips are fairly cheap. It's just product segmentation and not giving people enough VRAM so that their GPU won't run out of it in apps in like 5 years is something they do just to ensure planned obsolescence. Memory chips are so cheap that there's no reason for any GPU above $300 to have anything less than 16GB of VRAM since it will surely become the norm in just a few years from now, considering current gen consoles already have 16GB VRAM.
Memory controllers take up a significant portion of the GPU die, which is made on the most expensive node available that has yields good enough to make such large dies possible. That's why they don't like giving you any more VRAM than absolutely necessary.
current gen consoles do not have 16 gb of vram, they have shared ram, meaning the system itself uses some of it etc. a normal PC also has 16 gb of system ram and like 8gb of vram. but you don't count the system ram to your total vram amount.
@@andersjjensen It's also to reduce the cost of the board, and it's also because more vram doesn't help much if at all in benchmarks when a videocard first releases.
Having more vram is very useful, but it often takes 2-4 years before a model with more vram starts to really show its value.
Im seeing 4% in minimum and 3% in avg fps on 5800x3d in cyberpunk and wukong. Admin vs local account
Win 11? Interesting if this also relates to Win 10 though.
:O
Havent watched Hub video, do they test it on intel cpus as well? Really curious if this is zen issue, or just win11 issue with it's bloating apps.
I love your video titles. And your videos.
Love your content. Btw, the glasses look good on you.
well seeing there is a windows scheduler problem with the new zen 5 core slowing it down... i hope we got some vids about that
These things are compile monsters on linux, they crush.
Daniel's video?! Already leaving the like before it even began! LETSFKNGO! We bemching, boys!
Linux kernel compilation and generally code compilation was way faster on 13th and 14th gen intel cpus, if zen 5 can do this at those TDPs its an absolute win and I will probably swap if its true
Thanks for the PC news!!!!one!!!one!!!one!!!!!!!!!
With those Intel results, it's also good to keep in mind that there is going to be a 15th Gen as well. Still the i7 equivalent out preforming the older i9 by 4% isn't terrible. However, I'm not expecting Arrow Lake to be a huge leap in perf either. I would just like to see that they're resolved whatever the Raptor Lake issues are.
If I understand correctly, Arrow Lake is going to be on a significantly more advanced manufacturing process, so it kind-of needs to be a lot better than the 13th and 14th gen CPUs, because it's going to be quite expensive for Intel to make, and it may take a while for them to ramp up production, so Arrow Lake CPUs may come with a hefty price premium to go with a hefty performance increase.
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12:28 your caution is almost unwarranted. Most people are logged in with an Admin account on their personal systems anyway. The only thing that will really be different is you might get a UAC alert you would have to click if logged into your normal user admin account. But both accounts are admin and can essentially do the same things.
The way people dismiss and auto click things now a days, you're really not being offered that much extra protection.
However, I would be surprised if Microsoft didn't fix the bug in the near future.
This one is going to make a lot of views for sure 😉
Is that a rock smoulder in thumbnail ?
11:42 maybe windows reserved some cpu performance, so the windows desktop runs smoothly all the time, which would be kind of dumb, when you just want do game at maximum fps
Typing eleven in the title is what got me to your video despite it being cut off.
The Sss!! In the audio are very harsh,i use headphones n they are really harsh,hope u can do something abt it,awwsome videos as always
Thank you for the content!
Maaaan, I just bought a 7950X3D at Best Buy 3 days ago and got no coupon 😭😭😭
Wonder if this admin mode disables some background task/security features... Would explain the 3 percent on average difference when forcing a cpu bottleneck.
It disables UAC (User Access Control) entirely. It's basically the Windows XP security model. This "discovery" is not new. This model was introduced with Windows Vista and has slightly degraded performance, at the expense of somewhat improved security, ever since.
good value for both 7700xt 7800xt
Could an inference be made that windows is limiting the new gain from Ryzen 9000 series?
Windows is scheduling games core 0 physical thread, core 0 logical thread, core 1 physical thread, core 1 logical thread etc. on zen 5 when it should be core 0-7 physical thread, core 0-7 logical thread. Some games are running faster on Linux even with the overhead from the compatibility layer. That means Windows is under performing by at least 5%.
Cool game bundles with AMD stuff, except in Japan.
As someone who lives in Japan and keeps hearing about the cool bundles you get with GPUs and CPUs but can never find them, this suddenly makes sense. Not in a way I enjoy mind.
The R7 7700 looks to be very good value where I live for about 210$
It is. Perfectly capable of driving $1000 GPUs.
Where I live I got my 7800x3d for 230
Microcenter+mobo combos be wack yo
Well technically I had to drive across state an hour but worth, badass burger joint just next to the store.
@@ICCUWANSIUT 230$ for a 7800X3D is a very good price. The best I could finde here was 340 $.
@@Petch85 might be able to get a 7900x3d for a bit cheaper, with the new updates it should be better off now
I remember seeing it for like 30 dollars less
@@ICCUWANSIUT The 7900X3D is a complicated CPU to redomend for anyone. But some people might be happy with it. The prices I can find right now is ~385$. So I think most people would be better off with a 7700 210$ (value) or a 7800X3D at 340$ (best gaming).
You look like Villain with that glasses. Villain origin story and GPU prices increase again.
i absolutely wouldnt mind if amd went for a clearly split lineup - normal and X cpus for production performances and the x3d for specialized (gaming) tasks
if anything they should just focus on those ways and peoples perception would certainly improve, as everyone could easily check if the cpu is suited for their needs
advertising them accordingly would be a real improvement for everyone
whoever's watching this, i hope you have a great day.
I just saw that my new 12600kf runs at 1.35V in games and 1.401V in peak. My PC reboots randomly...
so my day started off terribly sorry :C
I'm having a great day and I hope so do you, my 13700k not so much. Even at 5.1 GHZ, it started suddenly crashing with Elden Ring. Reduced dynamic core voltage to -0.050 and it's working flawlessly again. I think I can actually up my frequency now, but maybe I should undervolt it even further. Temps went from 80+ to 70s using a Noctual NH D15. Why would Intel sell an overvolted and decaying product.
Has nothing to do with your nice comment, but I just needed to vent a bit.
@@Mark-h1m7o so what you're saying is that 12th gen is also affected by the stability issues.. very interesting considering Intel just straight up denied that.
Thank you, that's so sweet. I hope'you have a great day too.
You guys at the top.. bumming me out. I wish the manufacturing of silicon was not so expensive so these companies did not have to push CPUs beyond reasonable levels. Tsmc prices is going up and Intel's own fabs are bad enough that Intel themselves don't want to use them lmao wtf has become of this industry. I look at nodes like 1.5nm with a bit of disbelief. We are hitting a wall and the hints are everywhere. Expect future non trash CPUs to continue to be more expensive. Oof
I agree, im mean the I9 14900K pulls 407w of power. That is the same power consumption as an RTX 4090. Even intel's mid range cpu's like the I5 14600k uses 173w of power and and is close to 200W. That is the same power consumption as the base RTX 4070. Even the lowest I5 14400f uses 148w. That is the same as an RTX 4060 Ti power consumption.
What i love about the game bundles in Japan, is they already charge us double that of the US based on the abysmal purchasing power of the Japanese yen
GPU pricing is equally ridiculous. Only Intel Arc seems fairly priced...
Wait, I picked up a 7800X3D a few days ago, where do I get the games?
Update:. Got my CPU at Micro Center, not on list of retailers giving the game bundles. T-T
Just a note, a lot of time, AMD is much closer in price to the competition in Japan, 3000 series and 5000 GPU were the exception, but after that, it was a much closer call imo.
Are 9000 series CPUs better than 7000 for productivity.?
Was hearing the CPU doing really good on gaming on Linux too.
Windows really keeps making AMD look bad. Same with their Windows update bug, which would force your AMD graphics driver to downgrade to outdated buggy AMD drivers.
It is a method
Heard Intel CPUs have the same issue (one guy tested his 14900KS). Let's see if it will be confirmed.
@@lorsch. I think He was talking about window forcing AMD GPU's to download buggy drivers, what does that has to do with 14900ks
@@kennethpereyda5707 You're right, wasn't reading it properly and thinking about the performance issue with the local admin account that HUB reported on.
Who knows if it's Windows to blame. Maybe AMD messed up some internal number of the driver that defines whether it's the newer one or not, so Win kept downloading the wrong one. I don't know ofc, but people are too quick to shift them blame from AMD at someone else.
Good reviews/news and good looks, is there anything this man can't do?
I'll wait for the 3D versions.
I have a 7950X but I was under the impression these are not geared toward people focused on gaming, so I'm confused by the direction your video started with. For gaming, it was my understanding AMD had some lower tier CPU's that are not only better for gaming, but might be considered the 1080ti of its time. I think GNexus mentioned they are looking to do more test better suited for 7950X type CPU's. Last I remember, some of the comments were giving them ideas on what test to run. I'm still waiting for GPU AI performance tests.
Back to titles with multiple !!! These are the videos I click.
The rx 7700xt deal for $375 + 4 games seems pretty decent
the 9950x is selling rly good on amazonUSA
Windows on Arm needs to support 3rd party GPUs.
That would put an end to the complaint of the weak GPU. But it's a lot of work and requires support from AMD and NVIDIA.
Not sure that's going to happen anytime soon.
The "most positive" review of the 9000 series that I've seen, is that it's great at certain specific industry tasks, and that it kinda represents a very robust backbone upgrade upon which to build a very strong cpu for other tasks like gaming and others, in the future. But that for over-the-counter sales, AMD probably should have flushed out that potential a little more before releasing. (the bread is still a little too doughy)
My own observation, is that finfet 4nm does NOT offer 20% (processing ~or~ power) savings over finfet 5nm. In fact the smaller node seems to offer almost nothing to the architecture. So... depending on whether it's really a 20% smaller node (there's some marketing spin in node naming these days), it's possible that cpu cores have reached a possible diminishing returns cliff re: node size. Or put another way - a somewhat more conductive semi-conductor material may be needed to explore anything approaching linear benefits to node shrink at sub-5nm.
MLID is alluding to Windows software not working well with Zen 5 because it was launch aggressively without due diligence, they failed to check if Windows ready at launch. MLID thinks this needs to be a reboot once the updates/ micro codes are in place.
Dual predictors pipelines & decoders are not working properly on Zen 5 in single thread, they basically not using both for single thread. They work fine for Specific instruction sets like AVX 512 & others on single threads for some odd reason.
Zen 5 is either broken or bugged currently.
you have the most sane point of view on pc parts really appreciate i am allergic to xxx is killed or in trouble based on youtubers amd ngreedia intel was destroyed before dinosaurs
Daniel, those ARM windows systems. Doesn't even support AVX2. It is a lot they are not supporting, it will get there but it is not just GPU drivers missing.
Looking a proper teacher with the glasses :-)
10:00 This made me loose all faith in Hardware Unboxed's competence. This is the oldest well-known performance changer, its name is enviroment variables. You can get dramatically different performance on cpu-bound tests by changing stuff like account user-name, contents of path variable etc. The reason is that these things are used in system calls made by an app, so you end up changing the memory alignment and other stuff. This topic is long but TLDR admin will not give you better performance, it will give you a random performance boost/penality per app.
thanks
What are your thoughts on the new z890 motherboard with 10 usb c ports and no usb A ports?
oh my gold, you look like a math teacher
It's very clear there is a major issue with the windows scheduler, not that it's the workload or something special about linux.
Thanks Men.
nice camera quality! which one is it?
It's in the video description
So does this "admin mode" also affect other versions of Ryzen like the Zen2 and Zen3 series? Be interested to find out.
I think we are hitting a wall in silicon performance, it's very close to a stall.
The math teachers emphasis on pronouncing Warhammer 40k as Warhammer Forty thousand is astonishing 😌
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9950x is probably a power house CPU miner. IDK much about it all but with the Linux performance being up, i would imagine it could mine. Just a guess, with very little research.
AMD delivers huge gaming uplift with this generation!!!!!!!!
if your definition of gaming is running a server
To be honest many more of these will be sold for exactly that, gamers and enthusiasts are a small margin of sales. I want one because its a compile monster and will shave lots of time off of work time so there is more game time. 🤣
It's just one game, but apparently Assetto Corsa runs 18% faster on Zen 5 than with Zen 4, and with good improvements to frame-time consistency as well. It is a good indicator that there is at least some hope that with further improvements to Windows, compilers, game engines, etc.. the 9000 series might actually offer significant performance improvements in a lot of newer and more demanding games (and/or other applications) over the next few years. Zen 5 also seems to overclock surprisingly well, at least compared to Zen 2, 3, and 4.
This is a new architecture, with some significant new features and changes compared to Zen 4, and sometimes it can take a long time before those new features are taken advantage of by most software. Chip designers have to sometimes introduce new architectural features for the benefit of long-term performance gains, at the expense of not being able to offers as many improvements out of the game when the hardware first becomes available, but it's hard to know to what extent this will be true with Zen 5. Sometimes you have to build the new architectural features before you can expect software companies to start working on how to figure out to best use those features. It took forever for software to leverage multiple cores well, for example.
@@syncmonism time better prove your comment right my friend.
The x3d variants will be the ones with the gaming uplift is what i suspect. Remember am5 doubles as a server socket essentially so they're not going only for gaming market. Idk why everyone who watches tech channels think tech only exists for gamers
@@GoonyMclinux What about laptops and other low powered devices? Zen5 is built for efficiency, it might actually be dominant in those market segment. And if Windows fixes it bugs, we might get to see even more uplift hopefully. I'm just waiting to see what Strix Halo could do.
AMD Zluda article is wild!
Time for me to switch back to nvidia and sell my 7900xtx
Any infos if Zen3 is affected by the Admin Mode "Bug"?
1:57 does that mean if I'll buy RX 7700XT in limited Frostpunk 2 edition, I can get 5 games?
sounds like AMD is prioritizing enterprise and laptops with desktop left as an afterthought
Disable virtual memory in the BIOS, not just memory integrity in OS
That's a virtual machine function that has nothing to do with Windows' memory integrity feature.
@@andersjjensen Yes, SVM is for VMs, however, SME is memory.(SVM/VTX and SME/TME) being disabled still ensures no virtualization is taking place and leaving SVM on doesn't serve a purpose unless you are sandboxing. Memory integrity feature will disappear in OS if you disable SME. Performance is gained by doing it in BIOS, not just the OS level.
Healthy competition making lackluster new cpu generations
Could you buy the cards, redeem the games and send them back?
People that still use Spyindows... imagine their faces XD
Some games are cache sensitive, some are memory bandwidth sensitive, some are sensitive to memory timings, some really only benefit from clock cycles/IPC... Now if you look at the difference between the 9700 and the 7700 the 9700 has slightly more L2 cache and in cache sensitive games that helps. Judging by the LARGE jump in performance for the X3D chips the only conclusion is that MOST GAMES benefit from more cache much more than anything else. We see exactly the same thing with the GPU's, anytime a GPU has to go out to system memory its performance tanks. Ideally games would never need to access anything outside of Cache, and GPU would never need to go to system memory.
That's not even close to being a practical design, at least not for any kind of normal consumer graphics card! XD
It's not just a matter of making the caches bigger, it's about the designers finding ways to make larger cache sizes feasible, and trying to lower the manufacturing costs. Chiplet designs and stackable cache designs are showing a lot of promise, but the idea of a graphics card which only uses cache instead of vram seems pretty absurd, like science fiction!
@@syncmonism I am not saying GPU's need gigabytes of cache... I am saying that the minimum VRAM on a GPU needs to be more than 8GB... that was my point, I would also argue that processors should incorporate more Cache, maybe move up to 48mb instead of the 32... that was my point.
What about ryzen 9 9900 without X ? Any news ?
Really hoped Hi-fi Rush would return with a sequel. IP was way too good not to
The conclusion heree is that the 9000 series processors are a good perrformance improvement for work but not for gaming. If you want a gaming chip you will have to wait for the X3d chips to release.
Да чет они в этот раз лоханулись по полной!
So if you run a game on Linux is it going to be better because this is a Linux workload or not because it's a gaming application?
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