What Killed the 2000s Garage Rock Revival?
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- Go to Squarespace.com for a free trial, and when you’re ready to launch, go to www.squarespace.com/thepunkroc... to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain.
--
What killed the 2000s garage rock revival? Some of what I look at:
* The breakout of garage rock revival bands like The White Stripes, The Strokes, The Hives and The Vines
* Post-punk revival bands like The Yeah Yeah, Franz Ferdinand and Bloc Party
* How "Pitchfork indie rock" like Death Cab For Cutie took garage rock's place via The OC, Garden State and American Apparel
--
🎉 PATREON: / thepunkrockmba
🕹️ DISCORD: / discord
🎮 TWITCH: / finnmckenty
--
🔊 PODCAST (Spotify): bit.ly/prmbapodcast
🔊 PODCAST (Apple Podcasts): bit.ly/prmbapod
▶️ SPOTIFY PLAYLIST: bit.ly/prmbalist
--
📲 INSTAGRAM: / finnmckenty
📲 TIKTOK: / finnmckenty
📲 TWITTER: / thepunkrockmba
📲 LINKEDIN: / finnmckenty
📷 SECOND CHANNEL: / finnmckentyprmba
--
👕 MERCH: prmbamerchstore.com/
--
0:00 Intro
1:41 What is garage rock?
3:17 When The Strokes "Is This It" broke out
6:40 Why the garage rock revival took off
12:30 The decline: when indie rock took its place 
Развлечения
Follow me on Instagram: instagram.com/finnmckenty
I would like to hear your take on: the black keys, Eskimo callboy
I can't believe Finn left AC/DC off the legacy of Garage rock.
There was a garage rock explosion in like 2013 that had some great bands. Sounded more punk than White Stripes etc. bands like Woven Bones, Ty Segall, Wavves, Jay Retard, Thee Oh Sees that was an interesting underground DIY scene.
Remember when Death From Above turned into producers/djs MSTRKRFT. It's so true that garage rock was so easily put into a club environment alongside French Electro, Electroclash, and all the weird shit we hipsters listened to.
Your eyebrow doesn't seem to understand.
Here's one legacy: Jack White used his fortune to invest in his record label, Third Man Records, in analog recording techniques, and vinyl production. He's a major player in the vinyl revival, which has changed the business model for a lot of artists and labels, and changed the way that people like me think about audio production and what kind of sounds we prefer.
It’s cool and all but revival? Hardly. Itll never be back
wow I had no idea Third Man was started by him! I'm not a fan of his, but I order thru that label all the time!!
he also upholsters furniture . dude is legend staright up
all love from Detroit go check out The Go
Jacks white second legacy.
The career of the black keys. 🙃
“hipster dive bar music” is still to this day one of my favorite genres! The Strokes, Interpol, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, The White Stripes. I disagree about it’s cultural impact and influence, as I believe it inspired the next wave of indie rock, as well as the kids who were just picking up an instrument around that time and went on to form bands across all genres.
I agree. It brought "guitar music" back into mainstream popularity on college campuses.
For real dude, like some of those bands made good records, not just songs but whole records of great material and i managed to catch a ton of 'em live when they were starting out and they really sounded cool live and put on a great show. It was a fun scene as well and as Finn pointed out I say half of the crow out there seem to be women, beautiful ones as well, I meet a couple of GFs at shows and a lot of casual hook ups and look you can think whatever you like of that but coming from the NY hardcore punk scene, that is such an aggressive sometimes violent and 100% sausage fest scene it felt nice to be sometimes at shows surrounded by women. And it was ALWAYS about the music, not once did my friends and I went to concerts thinking about the genders that were going to be at a show but at that time it was a fact, it is was it is.
Also about the influence, I think that some of those bands (The Strokes, the White Stripes, etc) have had an influence on newer bands for sure and they cite them as influence, so can find examples in print but usually I see newer bands naming more of the core bands, like I dont see a 2021 band citing Greta Van Fleet as an influence.....they cite Led Zep.
Yep. They inspired a whole other indie decade.
i got into playing guitar because of The Strokes & Interpol so big agree
PREACH!!!
to me garage rock isn't dead it just evolved to indie rock. A lot of bands you meantioned like White Stripes, The Hives, The Strokes etc are now categorised as Indie Rock.
More accurately, the "indie scene" is a refuge for any genre that falls out of favour with the mainstream. Everything from punk to metal to prog to alt-rock to garage rock is considered "indie rock'.
Garage rock didn't die because it never really hit it big to begin with. Read my post above.
Every thing that's rock music played in colleges today is classified as Indie , but back in the 90s it was called Alternative/ ALT ROCK MUSIC. Proof of this is Pj Harvey/Franz Ferdinad, when they came out they were refered to as a ALT rock artist; then 2010s hit and suddenly are Indie artist.
However,
ALTERNATIVE(Nirvana, RCHP) fused w/ Pop Punk(2000s) to get screamo(PATD, MCR,Paramoure) in 2005, then absorbed Garage Rock to get Muse, Killers, A monkeys.
Indie stems from like the Smiths, Radiohead and that evolved into like Passion Pit, Flaming Lips, Spoon around 2006. It merged with Synth Pop and eventually gives rise to like Metronomy, MGMT, Friendly Fires. I think it eventually was overtaken by Tame Impala in 2010s and then evolved into Bedroom Pop like Cuco, Mac Demarco.
However the STROKES, White Stripes, Von Bondies, Black Keys, Yeah Yeah Yeahs don't descend from Indie or Alternative, they descend from 70s Garage/Punk Rock like the Ramones, Stooges, Sex Pistols and Lou Reed.
Arctic Monkeys, Sleigh Bells and Block Party are Garage Rocks spirtual successors, but today its successor is probably THE GARDEN, rey pilla, the Voidz.
@@chibiromano5631 PATD, MCR and Paramore aren't screamo in the slightest. They're better categorised as pop rock or pop punk. Screamo is more like Asking Alexandria, Bring Me The Horizon, Pierce The Veil, amongst others.
@@Proto-Martyr so it was just emo right.
This scene is still very much alive in the UK. You can't forget the Arctic Monkeys (yes, you can consider them part of this category) and The Libertines. The latter especially, AKA "England's answer to The Strokes". One overlooked thing is the fact that all these bands were so diverse. Here's some off the top of my head.
Bands like Bloc Party, Franz Ferdinand, Maximo Park, The Futureheads, and maybe even the Kaiser Chiefs had that "Angular" Post Punk Revival sound.
The Cribs, The Paddingtons, The Others, Five O Clock Heroes, Twisted Wheel, Dustin's Bar Mitzvah, Dogs, and Eight Legs followed a stronger 1977' Punk Rock sound. And bands from this category can actually be labeled as "Pop Punk" at its' core. This was the scene that was primarily led by The Libertines. Might as well throw in Razorlight here as well.
The Kooks, Blondelle, and One Night Only kept all the girls at bay.
The Horrors, Black Wire, Selfish Cxnt, and Neil's Children led the darker Goth scene highly influenced by Joy Division or The Cure.
Milburn, Little Man Tate, and the Harrisons showed that there was more to Sheffield than the Arctic Monkeys.
The Courteeners, The Pigeon Detectives, The Rakes, and The Fratellis were practically the bounciest and catchiest of the bunch. Along with The Vaccines and Ripchord following strong Power Pop elements.
The Enemy were singing about a more widespread suburban crisis.
The View had no desire to get their Skag Skiffle out of Dundee Scotland.
The Libertines, The Cribs, The Courteeners, The Kooks, The Vaccines, and The Horrors still fluctuate through radio and continue to carry a strong festival presence.
And Hoggboy pretty much did it all before everyone else.
This was all going on in the UK, and I probably missed a few crucial bands and events. I still maintain that this scene had much more substance than any Nu Metal or Pop Punk scene had to this day.
(EDIT): These guys were also responsible for spawning every other Garage Rock Revival scene in europe. All being influenced by The Libertines or Arctic Monkeys in some way. France had the BB Brunes, Naast, Plastiscines, and Second Sex. Sweden had Mando Diao and Sugarplum Fairy (both of which are just as good as The Hives, and Mando Diao being one of the original spearheaders of the Indie Garage movement in europe). Germany had Kilians, Auletta and Bakkushan. Hungary had The Moog. And Italy had The Hacienda and Radio Days.
Shoutout to Hoggboy. Haven't heard anyone talk about them for yeears!
@@BNoble86 Great band! Could've went toe to toe with The Libertines during their early years. So happy to see someone else know'em!
Nail on the head, except I have to point out that the scene never went away on the mainland either.
Being American I never meet anyone who's heard of the pigeon detectives or Milburn. You listed my entire genre playlist.
love this recap lol... don't forget bloc party, the ting tings and two door cinema club (even if they were the last of the curve) btw, also the fact that all of this was happening in the uk is really overlooked and is a really big point of reference for a lot of new listeners. It was one of the last times the UK were at the centre of the alt music scene or just globally influential in general, other than uk drill
Sorry but the point about no lasting impact? The Strokes and particularly "Is this it" are so unbelievably influential especially in the UK. Arctic Monkeys for one owe a lot to them.
He's just hating, he said he didn't like this type of music
@@HookedonChronics Yeah his bias/lack of knowledge of the uk scene is showing here. Not only are the Strokes still massive there, as are most of the garage revival bands, their influence is still huge amongst the indie scene there as well, tons of clubs still play them, you see people dressed like them very often as well
Add to that List The Libertines, Babyshambles, Blood Red Shoes, The Subways and a ton of other ones. Mid-2000s Brit rock was indeed heavily Garage-influenced.
@@torstenscholz6243 Absolutely. The popularity of The Strokes gave The Libertines their breakthrough. I think The Libertines were more influential on the British scene than The Strokes were actually. Not just sonically but in using British culture as a reference point artistically.
@@torstenscholz6243 yessssss god the libertines were great
Kind if strange to me that you didn't mention the fact that The Strokes continue to be relevant and make great music to this day.
And they suck live too
Here to say The Hives, The Strokes & The Vines and even the first two white stripes albums were truly great rock bands making great records. The Hives first three albums are EXTREMELY underrated. Any kid who likes punk rock should listen to the first Hives record ‘Barley Legal’ and tell me that shit doesn’t SLAP
I had no idea The Hives could sound like that in Barely Legal. Gotta admit out of those 3, The Vines have always been my favorite so never really paid much attention to The Hives or The Strokes.
The Vines was my favorite of these four bands, Highly Evolved and Winning Days have some great psicodelic songs
Could not get enough of the hives back then. Loved the vines also. I don't know what genre The Thermals is but I saw them four times. I still play all that stuff constantly along with the newer stuff like Ty Segall
@@charlesandrews2360 You can never get enough of the Hives.
Thank you. The hives albums are excellent imo... it turned me into a big fan of them
I feel like Jack White is one of the few artists who transcended the genre and has had a successful solo career along with multiple successful side projects and established his own record company/pressing factory
Boarding House Reach is amazing
Jack White was so successful that now he gets hate. Dude didnt intend for his music to be sports stadium anthems. Neither did Queen, Gary Glitter, or a number of other artist. Personally, Jack White and 90s rock was how learned to play guitar.
I think Julian casablancas did all those things too but definitely not as successful as jack.
His solo albums clearly have gone beyond garage rock to include synthezisers and more hard rock influences and so he has stayed an interesting artist
Yeah its ridiculous to say that Jack White didn't innovate. He innovated with song structure, blues and piano. Although stripped down, he was not one-dimensional by any means.
Garage rock went underground in the 2010's with acts like Ty Segall, Osees, Black Lips, The Growlers, King Gizzard & the Lizard Wizard, Frankie and the Witch Fingers and Allah-Las. Post-punk also went underground during the 2010's, new bands formed like Parquet Courts, Iceage, Fontaines D.C., Omni, Protomartyr and Preoccupations.
Note: All of these bands release music on independent record labels.
I mean....
I enjoy the White Stripes too but;
Finally...
Someone has mentioned bands like Ty Segall, Jay Retard, Black Lips, Thee Ohsees, King Kahn & BBQ, The Allah-Las who provide a straight-up honest and genuinely uncompromising musical alternative to the over glorified, overproduced sound of the radio friendly, mainstream music.
Props to you, Julio, for bringing these low-budget but highly prolific bands into the conversation.
These acts/bands unapologetically represent the independent, underground sound of rock &roll today.
Thank you, @julio.
@@refministerI'm definitely using both of these comments to delve more into garage rock. If you have any more bands to list, I'm all ears. Thanks!
Yes!
@julio Black Lips? wasnt familiar. How about also the Black Keys and Black Angels
@@1m2a3t4t5Black Lips made one of my favourite garage albums ever.. Let It Bloom
This stuff is still popular amongst high schoolers that just picked up guitars. Going into my local record stores, I always see teenagers with shaggy hair and they come in looking for White Stripes records. Like you said, it’s a classic and fun sound and I think it will always have a place in the music industry.
My neighbour's kid is a "born-too-late" 16 year old and he fits that description. The other interesting thing is those kids don't seem to recognize any difference between Led Zeppelin, Metallica, Guns and Roses, Nirvana or White Stripes. Its all classic rock from before they were born and they are growing up with instant access to it through streaming. It will be interesting to see what music that generation will create. They all play guitars but it probably won't have real drums as nobody plays those anymore.
Exactly. Repress after repress - White Stripes albums always sell.
@@60degreelobwedge82 na man you're wrong about the drums, my mate's band has 2 drummers haha. But yea in mainstream music drums will be less and less common, still plenty of great underground scenes/bands with real drums, at least where I live there are
The kids are alright.
The Hives are still the best band I’ve seen live. Their standard for live performance each and every time is just exceptional.
Saw them last year and unbelievable show. Very impressed.
Interpol is still one of my favorite bands of all time. Turn On the Bright Lights is my second favorite album right after Dark Side of the Moon.
Also, The Strokes’ newest album The New Abnormal is just as good as their first two, IMO.
This genre as a whole still has a huge place in my heart.
Turn On The Bright Lights and Room On Fire are some of the greatest albums of all time!
The Strokes have never made an album any less than good. One of my faves.
Julians other band the Voidz is also really great. Their album Virtue is a great listen and a little everywhere in a good way. Seems like the Strokes but with more freedom to try other things too.
Bloc Party’s Silent Alarm is honestly one of the greatest first albums of all time imo, it was so good in fact that even their fans believe they’ve never lived up to it.
A Weekend came very close, but Silent Alarm was OK Computer for the Post 9/11 generation.
/Pitchfork
Such a good record
I wouldn't say the best, but it xas a great album
100% agree. Silent alarm is in the CD player of my car and doesn't come out🤣
Dude, I have that on cd somewhere! Now i wanna go listen to it.
Yo dude I was legit surprised how positive you were about garage rock in this video, considering how you always talked down on "alternative" music. But still it feels like there's narative about this genre not being "people's music" and it's like stuff for critics and hipsters. However the cultural impact of revival is really huge. Take The Strokes for example. Not only they inspired tons of artists like Artic Monkeys, Killers and so on... they had their first grammy last year and the biggest pop star on earth as of now Billie Eilish said that their last album was her favourite release of 2020. So in my eyes that's kinda "influential".
Julian Casblancas songwriting ability was just way ahead of it's time. So it wasn't that people weren't listening to it , it was that the masses of gen x and millenial generation didn't get it and the hispter audiences did get it. You know.. ' “I guess you guys(2005-2012) aren't ready for that yet. But your kids(2020+) are gonna love it." I also think the VOIDZ will also continue that legacy w/ HUMAN SADNESS which to me is honestly the Bohemian Rhapsody of our Era. Honestly go back to 2013 and look at all the albums that had high reviews, there were only like 3 really good albums that year for Rock.. guess which album is going to stnad the test of time for 2013 going into 2030???
COMEDOWN MACHINE, not that it was great produced album but for being a CULT CLASSIC Demo type album that inspried a genration. Chances is one of the strokes song that .. uff. expert craftsmanship of the English langauge.
Will you go?
I don't know anymore
When the night isn't ready for you
It's a fleeting unorthodox view
They invited a stewardess, too
Now they want you to see it
Here's to days he decides he's got time
And he claims that it's not a surprise
When he finds out the truth's on his side
Will you go?
I don't know anymore
I don't believe anyone
As they crawl out of my way
Waiting for the night
Leaving night by night
You can see me travel
We could be in trouble every night
@@chibiromano5631 I also have a huge respect for the Voidz! After hearing stuff like Human Sadness and Nintendo blood... other retro/80's-inspired music definetly feels a bit lame and basic.
The issue with the strokes is that only their 2 first albums are legit. They ran out of mojo and yes i heard their latest album and its really forgetable fluff. Billy Eilish is just a dummy
I wanna chime in and say that as someone who’s been to greater or lesser extents a member of his local punk circles in various places throughout the years: this throwback to garage rock definitely definitely did inform non mainstream punk and still does. In a roundabout way, sure, but I think a lot of these bands got young punks into shit like The Sonics and The Stooges and a lot of those early punk bands that still a foot in that 60’s sound. Before the rock revival most punks just weren’t informed on anything pre-Ramones, if they’re history even went back that far.
>tl;dr
As much as I agree with most of everything he talks about or his opinions. I do believe he’s 100% wrong on the white stripes, and how it made 0 impact. Not only did that revival give us jack white himself it also gave us the 1 song on planet earth everyone knows and chants at any sport event. “Seven nation army”.
I think The White Stripes were authentic in that it was pretty much what Jack White wanted to do without much regard for what other people thought, and he’s still doing that, whether it is popular or not. I doubt “Seven Nation Army” was written with the goal of being a huge hit, it just didn’t fit any simple template for that.
That song was the new smoke on the water. I wanted to slap the acoustic guitar out the person's hand for playing it while walking down the hall at highschool.
Finn is like me and he had already heard thousands of hours of the stooges and black flag and fugazi when these bands came out so it makes it hard for us to see bands influenced by the strokes and the artic monkeys and not think they were influenced by their influences
The White Stripes are one of the most interesting,raw,and concisely melodic groups of the late 20th/early 21st century. I haven't heard a completely bad song from them.
Go Michael van Gerwen! 😜
The Black Keys is my favorite Garage Rock Revival band! They fit the stereotypes and yet still make awesome music
Honestly they where the last of these bands to make it big
A lot of these bands and songs I think of as mostly jock jams now, I hear “Wanna Be My Girl” at local hockey games, and “Seven Nation Army” played by pep bands all the time.
Seven Nation Army is huge among football fans. And they as normie as it gets.
@@JoinMeInDeathBaby Oh boy, “huge” is quite an understatement, it’s fucking COLOSSAL in the football community, especially in Italy, where in 06 a football anthem version of it became insanely popular after ltaly won the World Cup. As a kid I thought it was just that lmao
@@zuppadigamberetti7288 It's quite popular in American (Gridiron) Football as well. As the original comment stated, these tracks are jock jams (songs that get the crowd going during sporting events) at this point. Seven Nation Army, in particular, has become a general anthem just for it's bassline alone (eg Jeremy Corbyn chants during his appearances at music festivals in the UK).
ALA Tubthumper
Take Me Out by Franz Ferdinand, that also became a bro anthem among some. Funny how wildly different crowds embrace certain genres music, I actually find it fascinating.
As a dude from the UK, all the bands you've mentioned almost certainly came off the tails of 90s indie bands over here like Oasis, The Charlatans, Blur, Happy Mondays, Pulp, The Stone Roses, Primal Scream etc. I find it interesting comparing the US to the UK for these genres of music, because it's clear there are distinct differences. Certainly growing up through both eras it felt like indie/garage rock was massive from 90s to the mid 2000s.
I'm a dude from Manchester and I totally agree with you .
Don't forget The Libertines!
came here to saa the same. Nostaligia is still a massive feature in the "Indie" scene. You can almost predict teh playlist. Last time I went to an indie bar, it was teh same songs as when I went to 42s last in around 2005
Same. I remember it being so massive
@@kitchensinkmuses4947 Oh hi Glen.
Pretty sure you have a Libetines jacket don’t you, mate!?
Playing and touring in the early 2000’s in this era was awesome. Really amazing crowds and local scenes. We were a heavy psychedelic stooges style band and got to play with metal/punk/garage bands. Diverse shows and crowds were really fun.
I think the guitar work of the strokes is incredibly unappreciated. The two guitarists have this fantastic musical relationship and I love their really interesting use of countermelody. The only other band that matches that aspect would be some of the John fruiscante / flea stuff in certain eras of the chilli peppers
Yeah I'll never forget when I heard them pick a shape on the neck and go "Ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding" with it. Because it is every song
FWIW, The White Stripes were also pretty blues-y. They may have had their garage rock album/songs but they absolutely transcended the fad phase of this genre. Disclaimer, I am a massive Jack White fan.
“Garage rock” is a misnomer. The great thing about that time is that many genres were being drawn upon, such as blues, post punk, new wave, 60s girl bands, etc etc. It was refreshing. For many of us, these bands were a gateway into older bands in a way that nu-metal and pop punk was not.
Also this video pointed out well that pop punk was perhaps more of a teenager suburban US thing while this was more of a urban "hipster" sound for playing at the dive bar. Pop punk mostly just worked with green day, the Offspring and US skate punk while all of this bands just had a larger repertoire of influences which included 60s garage rock, mod from the 60s and mod revival bands such as the Jam, 70s and 80s punk, new wave and post punk and it seems to me even 90s britpop since the Strokes have brought onstage Jarvis Cocker from Pulp while Blur was doing the dance new wave thing already in 94 with their hit "girls and boys" while also being influenced by new wave and punk
I think you could have touched on the most recent big wave of garage that got pretty popular along with some of the beach rock bands. Bands like FIDLAR, Beach Fossils, Cloud Nothings, Wavves, Jacuzzi Boys, Best Coast, Bass Drum of Death, Oh Sees.
maaan havent thought about fidlar in forever
@@roryalexanderm Missing out my man! I only recently discovered them via Get Off My Rock. As a Beastie Boys fan, it was right up my alley.
The rest of the album is also pretty damn good. 👍
Beach Fossils kick ass. DIIV too, huge shoegaze revival since 2010 and it doesn't seem to be going anywhere.
@TheGhostWithin if there’s a more recent wave then do share. Not saying it’s still going on but it did come back for a bit post 2000’s. Would have been good to talk about it.
@@hellionaire1209 i think the shoegaze revival died when MBV and Slowdive came out of retirement.
They sucked the oxygen out of the room entirely. Theyre the 800lb gorilla in the room and theyre selling all the tickets and satisfying all the demand for shoegaze music in the rock scene.
Deafheaven is the closests any band has come to break out of their shadow imo. But still way smaller.
Which, I just googled is coming to my town in march and hasn’t sold out yet.
One aspect of the legacy of this stuff you didn't mention and I think might be a blind spot for you: I think those bands were a spark that ignited the vinyl revival. A lot of those bands emphasized their vinyl releases, which I think got a lot of their fans hooked on the format. Jack White in particular has been a big player with Third Man Records.
It's always interesting to me when you talk about critics as being gate keepers. To me they are usually very much the opposite. It always seems to me they work very hard to get get behind stuff they like which takes talking a lot of listeners into giving it a chance. Instead of complaining stuff they like isn't popular they get out there and actually help get it across. They have a reputation for dissing popular stuff but I think they are generally more even handed with it than the average fan in their 20s and 30s tend to be with whatever is popular with teens. People really notice when something gets trashed, but the vast majority of publications overwhelmingly write more positive reviews than negative.
Except for Jet. Jet gets a zero.
Eh I disagree. But maybe that’s cause I was always coming at it from the post hardcore / Deathwish records scene
Strangely enough, a lot of these bands are still headlining mainstream festivals. I mean you still see The Strokes or Jack White headlining Coachella or Lollapalooza. Interpol is huge in Europe. Other bands like Black Rebel Motorcycle Club too. They never "faded away" completely like a lot of other contemporaries in other genres
I guess that’s cause they still feel like the latest big thing in rock. After 2005/2006 rock just kinda surrendered to Hip Hop and R&B in terms of popularity and even if Garage Rock and Post Punk Revival died, nothing took their place, and it’s sad honestly, cause it’s been a while now and I’m starting to feel like rock is never really gonna come back on the charts.
I know The Strokes are H U G E in South America and I've never understood why. But more power to 'em
@@LordSluggo Them and Arctic Monkeys are probably the two biggest rock bands amongst the younger generation here (for ones that actually have an interest in rock music, at least).
I'd say that's typical of any scene, right? The few that represent the cream of the crop (White Stripes/Jack White, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, the Strokes) evolved and continued putting out great music that didn't depend on the novelty of the genre. The vast majority probably only had a couple truly good songs in them and faded.
I was looking for a comment that mentioned Black Rebel Motorcycle Club 😭
I LOVE BRMC, one of my favorite bands
Garage Rock (shaped into Surf Punk) and Post-Punk are still well and alive - With all these bands like FIDLAR, Ty Segall, Bass Drum Of Death ... or IDLES, Fountaines D.C. and Shame.
Yes, totally! This is the influence of these bands, it's like a linear thing, Sonics - VU - Television - The Fall - The Strokes - Fidlar - Idles
I was looking for this- the whole LA surf/garage scene was pretty large up until that whole burger records incident decimated 80% of the genre
You also have to look at the scene that The Strokes came in on: David Gray, Coldplay, Travis, Toploader. As the 90s eras of Grunge and Britpop came to an end the music scene was pretty bleak, beige and dull.
The Strokes came in looking like they had been superimposed from another time or dimension. They just looked so cool, like they were the types who lived in a New York loft with penniless artists. For many of us it was like, pop music is cool again.
For me in the UK the scene carried on longer than you mentioned, we had the Libertines, Razorlight, Arctic Monkeys, Kaiser Chiefs and a host of others that NME gleefully reported on week-by-week.
Probably the end of the scene co-incides with the White Stripes splitting up in 2009, when you get the rise of the bearded men with banjos and bands with trumpet players: Edward Sharpe & The Magnetic Zeros, Fleet Foxes, Mumford & Sons, Old Crow Medicine Show, Iron & Wine, etc. A new scene with a new style was mainstream and garage rock ducked back under the surface.
I'd say though that where emo, nu metal and pop-punk sort of died a death (where are Blink182, Limp Bizkit, Sum41, etc, now?) Garage Rock just carried on with a smaller market. The Strokes are still releasing albums, Jack White has a new album out, and in general, as long as there are bands wanting to make raw rock music with a lo-fi twist, garage rock will always be there.
I wasn't really all that into most of those band, but I saw The Hives at a pretty small venue around the time they were really beginning to blow up and it's still one of the best shows I've ever been to. It was sweaty, people were packed like sardines and both the band and the audience were absolutely bursting with energy.
Garage rock scene is alive and well, Osees, Ty Segall/his many side projects, Useless Eater etc. As for post-punk, it's never died since the release of Unknown Pleasures. Just because it's not mainstream doesn't mean it has no influence or broad appeal.
Absolutely
Was going to comment about Osees, Ty segall, wand, etc. lot happening. Mostly under the ‘psychadelic’ or ‘acid rock’ genre.
I've been listening to music and going to shows for fifty years and it's all just been great. Rock is Rock that's why I love Ty Segall.
THIS.
Although it seems that these people went straight to the source and don't try to appeal to the critics. For example, I doubt an artist like Ty Segall is inspired by The Strokes or Jack White as much as he is inspired by The Gories and stuff like Devo. (Both of which inspired The White Stripes and The Black Keys).
The inception of this "garage-rock revival-revival" is in California and can mostly be attributed to a couple of labels and John Dwyer. I feel people are just warming up to the influence these people and music have made in the past ten years in the field of rock. I really believe people will be looking back at this stuff in the decades to come.
Lastly, not throwing any shade, but I feel the California-scene/psych-revival is what the early 2000's garage-rock revival tried to be. This sort of music was never supposed to be "conforming" as the original garage rock was also a precursor to punk. (At least I think so). I feel people like Ty Segall are very aware of the early 2000's scene, but choose to embrace the experimental weirdo side of this music. This, I feel, separates the different waves and gives a more interesting vocabulary to the "newer" garage artists. (Newer is in quotes because Dwyer has done this sh*t since the nineties!)
@@otsop Coachwhips baby!
I was 12/13 when this genre was coming into its own, and honestly, it was a really good genre to have be popular for that fleeting moment of my adolescence. It's not like I throw the Vines on all the time, but I do still like all of these bands 20 years later
I agree
Fun fact about them: they pretty much stopped at their summit in 2003 or 2004 because their singer, Craig Nicholls was diagnosed with asperger's syndrome, which had been suspected for a while as he was attacking his fellow band members and stage crew while on stage.
Go into any guitar store and you will hear the legacy of this genre: 7 Nation Army replaced Smoke on the Water as THE beginner guitar or bass riff.
I saw the Hives play in Leeds last week and they were excellent. Frontman is one of the best in the business.
Howlin’ Pelle is an underrated showman
@@radioseppe the band in general is pretty underrated I’d say. Also they were making garage rock way before the Strokes made it cool again
Can't wait to see The Hives at a festival again, they're always great.
@@zuppadigamberetti7288 yeah I know and I guess they were big here first in scandinavia.
Where they supporting the Offspring by any chance?
The garage rock revival lasted a bit longer in the UK. The Brit mag NME was on the Strokes hype train really early. It was super influential and gave rise to The Libertines, The Fratellis, The Kooks and of course Arctic Monkeys. All these bands were obsessed with the Strokes and out out good records in the late 2000s.
Also I think the most underrated band of that era that never gets talked about but always had tracks playing on TV Shows was Black Rebel Motorcycle Club.
They still have a following too. But I'm even more shocked he didn't bother mentioning the biggest of the revival rock bands The Black Keys. They started out as The White Stripes wannabes and outlasted all the bands to become the biggest of them all. Their music played everywhere at a certain point.
@@dannyapeshit I'm a huge BRMC fan and I'm keen to see them again next year at Under the Southern Stars festival here in Aus.
Totally! The Black Keys were untouchable in the El Camino era, I remember hearing there songs everywhere and seeing their iconic music videos everywhere.
@@dragon13304 the first 7inch made me think i should stop trying to play rock someone made my band
This, but I think it's because BRMC maybe didn't got that huge in America compared to Europe. It's funny because they're mentioned as a influence for a lot of bands (specially indie) that came after them. (and even praised by others like qotsa and liam gallagher)
You can feel Finn’s disdain for the genre.
But there is some objectively amazing songs.
He makes some good points, it’s just obviously not his genre.
A better way to look at it is that none of these genres were killed, they ran their course. They circle back at future times, but things have got to keep moving to stay exciting and new.
I personally was very pleasantly surprised when I discovered the Australian scene. So simple yet catchy AF songs. If anybody wants something new I definitely advise DZ Deathrays, Violent Soho, Dune Rats and others.
Triple J radio is one of the things I miss the most about Australia
Great bands. Triple j is trash now though you're not missing anything
I will be very honest: this is probably one of your most objective videos, you absolutely did justice for this scene, even if far away from your own music culture. I completely remember every frame of how this scene overtook Nu Metal as the biggest thing, and as an angsty kid, oh boy I was so pissed. However after a few years as I entered college I actually started to gravitate so much to all these Indie bands with a retro feel. To this day I absolutely love this stuff, just such good songwriters
Thank you!
I'm still super into a lot of the albums that came out in this era. Still love everything Jack White does, The Strokes early albums, The Hives, Bloc Party. And I think it the Indie Rock scene that was so big through the 2010s has a lot of it's roots here
The best garage/punk bands of that decade came after those initial popular bands... bands like the Black Lips, Jay Reatard, thee Oh Sees and other bands that had already been around like Hot Snakes and the Spits.
oh sees are the greatest rock'n'roll band of the last 20 years imho
The Spits are amazing
Don’t forget Ty Segall
R.i.p Jay. Least we got the best version of wavves back when he passed.
we count the white stripes as an influence, mainly because of Jack White being a champion of DIY recording and making do with what you got
The Hives is still the best band of that era because they don't take themselves so seriously, but I love most of the bands of that period , here in Brazil a lot of these bands still have their audience, Franz Ferdinand fill some places each visit down here and still is a fun concert to watch
White Stripes are one of my favorite bands. They don't have a single bad album and they left on the highest of highest.
Haha, rad, love that you played "Have Love Will Travel" by the Sonics, one of my favorite garage rock singles. They were like the drunk messy version of popular bands, covering all their songs and doing the blitzed version of them. Very proto punk.
The scenes in movies where they ask
Person 1 - "what are you listening to?"
Person 2 - "The _____s. Listen to this song, it'll change your life"
This shit always made me want to die.
woah didnt expect to see you here lol
The "I love The Smiths" scene was a lot better, tbh. And who wouldn't wish to be complimented by Zooey Deschanel.
They got this music in China?
One RUclipsr I like commented on another RUclipsr I like!
It's called product placement.
It's insane how just on another level entirely The Strokes is. While every other band mentioned here was "forgotten" and even the White Stripes didn't have that much of a lasting influence despite Jack White's fame and importance, The Strokes just had an enormous catalogue of modern rock classics to back them up. Even getting their much deserved grammy recently. The Strokes just have way too many great songs.
The Strokes are consistent, that's why they remain relevant. Even their throwaway album - comedown machine - is regarded as underrated and one of their best records (which ost fans consider to be all their records).
YES!! It does not matter if it’s in a commercial, that’s not their fault, that wasn’t their intention. The host of this show is definitely “ missing something” it seems his rational is that because it was popular and was “easy to play” it’s not important or sincere. Freakin A, at the drive in is incredible!! The strokes are important artists! This show got too subjective I’m this one.
Debating that these important garage rock bands had ulterior motives and are insincere is completely wrong. It was about the music.
I’d say there definitely was a little bit of an impact on radio rock in the 2010s that came from these bands, especially the white stripes. I remember in 2016 hearing heaps of messy garage rock duos that were very white stripes-esque getting pushed on the radio but kinda not making it anywhere mainstream cause they were simply too derivative. It seems like a lot of people tried to recreate that sound after it supposedly “died” simply just because it was a familiar and enjoyable sound to come back to, but just couldn’t do anything new with it which is why that revival of the revival never blew up. Also another thing that I won’t blame you for possibly not knowing/talking about is the UK’s equivalent of this movement which started with The Libertines. I find that side of the revival kinda charming cause of how they incorporated more old British punk influences into that garage rock sound. The UK press also claimed a name to describe people becoming tired of all these bands getting overexposed, especially as there were too many of them popping up and they called it “the indie landfill” lmao.
As an American I freakin love The Libertines! Big influence on what got me started in music/playing in bands back in high school. I put their self titled up there with nevermind
I dig Finn and his videos, so don't come @ me, but I swear he says everything "isn't his thing" except for super obscure, northwest regional hardcore bands that were active in his friend's basements from '93-'96. Those bands get talked about like they invented modern music as we know it...oh, and Len because, why not.
Don't forget Crazy Town
That’s so true! I feel bad admitting that.. but yeah
The gist: 'Everything is nerd niche music (ska, black metal) or upper middle class hipster shit (Husker Du, Sonic Youth) except for powerviolence and TikTok music featuring Travis Barker.'
@@tueferbenz7492 he seems like he has contempt for any rock music outside of what would be on the Vans Warped tour.
@@tueferbenz7492 Funny enough, for the longest time I considered Husker Du to be hardcore or at least hardcore adjacent. They were always considered one of the most influential of melodic punk bands. But Finn is a man of fickle tastes. When he grouped them in with "indie rock", I thought it was weird.
I disagree with you Finn I feel someone like Jack White especially has a lot of influence on music especially guitarists
Awesome video, as always. Lots of info, and very well explained reasoning coming from a fairly objective point of view.
As someone who LOVES the post-punk and garage revival of the 2000's, you pretty much hit the nail on the head.
I vividly remember this era. My wife and I always ask each other, “how did it end so fast?”
That’s how mainstream music works. There’s usually 3 or 4 different scenes at once and they all get killed off within 3-5 years for the next group of styles. NuMetal, pop punk, Garage, and post grunge co existed until suddenly in 2005 it was all about Emo punk and whatever else
I kinda wish this movement didn't die. I loved the fresh sounding classic rock vibe this era had. I have so much nostalgia of playing NFS Carbon and Prostreet and hearing the 2000's Garage Rock and Indie songs in the soundtrack.
The Hives are fucking amazing! Their live shows are on fire every time. They never have a bad performance.
Awesome video! I’ve always wondered where those early 2000s “The” bands fit into the paradigm. I always called it iPod commercial core, haha.
It’s a shame Franz Ferdinand were forgotten about, for one thing they’re from my country, Scotland 🏴 and it’s always a big deal when a Scottish band gets as big as they were. Take Me Out is one of the anthems of my childhood
Seen them twice in past year! They still kill it!
This is a great video, but it’s very US-Centric, which I don’t blame you for:
In the UK we had the whole [Landfill] Indie scene that lasted through to at least 2006 and was the UK equivalent of the US Emo movement.
The UK had their own Strokes moment with Arctic Monkeys’ debut becoming the fastest selling album since Oasis, based purely off MySpace hype.
The arctic monkeys' first album is my favorite album ever!!!!
This is correct. The scene was as much a reaction to the American-centric nu-metal movement, and so it survived a lot longer and was a lot bigger in English speaking countries outside of the US.
@@ldjc Oh it absolutely was.
I was 11 years old, my favourite album was Hybrid Theory, I walked into my Form Room (like a “base” classroom that formalities were taken care of - I don’t know if you have these in the States) on a lunch break and the cool, arty older kids were listening to Last Nite on a shitty Sony CD player.
It blew my mind.
From then on, I on wanted to listen to clangy, dirty sounding guitars. Nu Metal died on that day for me.
(Twenty years later Hybrid Theory is still a great album, for what it’s worth)
On Burnout 3, Takedown, the video game soundtrack included Sahara Hotnights, The Mooney Suzuki, and The Von Blondies. The soundtrack also had some post-punk, punk, pop punk, and emo. Everything blended it altogether and it was awesome!
The Burnout 3 soundtrack is legendary.
I wasn't really into the garage rock songs from Burnout 3 but it did introduce me to Eighteen Visions, Funeral For A Friend, From First To Last, Fall Out Boy, Motion City Soundtrack, Atreyu, and Sugarcult which are all bands I still listen to so that game's soundtrack will always hold a special place in my heart
@@CardiaDDR my top 2 that you said in my opinion are Fall Out Boy and Motion City Soundtrack. Fall Out Boy because it's Fall Out Boy! Love their first 4 albums! Great pop punk/alternative rock stuff. Motion City Soundtrack because they are extremely underrated! Great band that doesn't get a lot of credit that they deserve!
And Burnout Revenge was an amazing follow-up, especially soundtrack-wise. Featuring Garage/Post-punk acts such as Bloc Party, Maximo Park, Emanuel's "The Hey Man" (which is more or less "Garage-core"), The Outline, Morningwood, OK Go, amongst others. The list goes on!!! And don't even get me started on Burnout Dominator. Garage Rock basically dominated that soundtrack (pun intended)
I still play that Animal Alpha song from the PSP Burnout from time to time...
Prolly bout to listen to it now
Great vid. Was expecting it to be more in keeping with your ‘why I hate Indie’ video, but this felt measured, well researched and very insightful. Top work
The Hives actually got me into music. I wanted to hear different genres and different sounds. So, I really appreciate the music they made.
same for me, they were basically my gateway into rock/punk music
I'm from the UK and this stuff was HUGE here between early and mid-2000s. We had our own bands as well who borrowed as much from this scene as 80s indie and 90s Britpop. It was never my scene but hard to deny that the songs were catchy. It feels very dated and uncool now though
I’m surprised he didn’t mention The Libertines. They were popular in the US as well.
Most of the bands he mentioned still have way more influence on new rock bands than most of the grunge, rap metal, or anything that came out after 2005...
I always feel like Punk Rock MBA tries to hard to apply rules and labels to certain genres and eras which ultimately just leads him to being off the mark and neglecting a whole bunch of stuff.
Man, your channel is great. Learning a lot with your videos.
It's worth acknowledging how HUGE this type of music was in the UK and Ireland, and how many bands from the UK managed to make it big in this scene. Bands like Bloc Party, The Libertines and many others had global success, while pop punk, grunge & nu-metal were hugely America-centric (at least the bands themselves were).
The Strokes & The White Stripes are some of the best to ever do it. Still getting a slow trickle of great output from The Strokes, & Jack White is a brilliant artist.
I think one important thing that is missed here is that this was part of the last gasp of music videos with MTV2 being massively popular. Interpol, for instance, went from Matador indie darling to being so popular Matador allowed the sign with (I think) Capitol so they could meet demand and then you saw that album at every Best Buy for years. I remember all my pop-punk fans were also into Interpol because Fuse and MTV2. When those channels faded in popularity, so did a lot of these bands. Didn't help that Interpol and The Strokes fell-off on their third albums (I know they are cult albums now but still never as beloved as their debut or sophomore releases).
I'm glad you brought up the rockist thing. That's totally what I was in my twenties, except I was too rockist to get into a lot of those garage revival bands. It's a kind of a bogus mindset, really. It cares way too much about authenticy (whatever that means) and street cred. Good luck buying your first home on all that.
Good luck buying a home with any mindset these days.
Love the new set/ background! Looks great 👍🏼
Aww man that “Still Waiting” video is one of the greatest music videos of all time & that opening sketch has many one-liners that are still part of my everyday vernacular, so it made my day to see a clip of that here!
“No I haven’t heard the new album-I’m sure it’s great though; all kinds of songs about skateboarding, and being dumped…”
I still use "Smoke em up, Johnny" a lot lol. I loved that intro. Will Sasso is great!
You smoke?? You do now!
15:12: 100% true for me. "Fell In Love With A Girl" inspired me to pick up a guitar.
Love your channel bro,I always learn so much. Thank you.
Into Another flyer in the background.. my all time favorite band. Good watch too. You've earned my follow, brother 👍🏻
We need a "What Killed Post-grunge?" episode
The fashion legacy of this genre is prob its biggest thing.
Great freaking video. Loved watching it and very educating and well thought out \m/
Great video ! Really brings me back to middle school and freshman year
Wasn't 70's Punk really just an artsy garage revival championed by hipsters journalists that loved the Stooges and the Velvets? In the 2000's this was the music I had been waiting for, a breath of fresh air. For years I'd worked my way backwards from the Angry Samoans to the 13th Floor Elevators: Post punk, power pop, glam, Proto punk, 60's garage/psychedelia, surf, rockabilly. I had ever Nuggets, Rubble, and Back from the Grave compilation, Lux Interior was my prophet. When these bands broke I felt validated.
Interpol is still one of my favorite bands and I'd say that them and The Strokes seem like the most relevant bands still going strong today.
Great video! Keep them coming
Thank you!
Garage Rock is still big in Australia, in the 10s and 20s we have Violent Soho, DZ Deathrays, Dune Rats, Pist Idiots, The Chats and heaps more
@Brandon Knight Australia has way less deaths than heaps of other countries, i say we handled it the best. We needed everyone to get vaccinated. So you think more deaths are better?
Finn literally nailed it. I’m 22 and when I was 10 the first riff I learned on guitar was reptillia by the strokes BECAUSE of guitar hero. The garage rock to mathcore pipeline is REAL!
Interpol were the best band from that era imo. At the time it felt like I was listening to a modern Joy Division with some The Fall influences and I loved it. The 2000's was a great time for rock music in general, maybe the last era of fun rock music.
Interpol are amazing
Oh toss a coin, Interpol or bloc party. Silent alarm or antics?
I can watch Daniel Kessler play guitar all day
Turn on the bright lights is a top tier rock record. Historical shit.
@@paul6453 You got me on that one lol. In this case I stick with Silent Alarm even tho I love Antics, b-uuut nothing beats Turn On The Brights Lights imo
Ironically enough, it was the garage rock era that helped introduce me to punk rock. It wasn’t all glossy & overproduced commercialism (at least that’s how it felt). The low fi, back to basics aesthetic & sense of nostalgia had me searching the internet for stuff that was similar. Which lead me to a little know internet station called Punk45, that would play everything from The Velvet Underground, Stooge’s, MC5 & Ramones, to Black Flag, Bad Brains, Dead Kennedys & Misfits, to Pixies, Sonic Youth, Minor Threat & Nirvana. Like it gave me the full scope of what “Punk” music was, & not just the stereotypical aspects of it.
Finn, awesome video as always. I would like to know what your thoughts are of desert rock? I'm so into Kuyss and the early Queens of the Stone Age stuff right now. There is just something about those psychedelic rock tunes with Josh Homme's heavy riffs and Nick Oliveri bass sound.
Kyuss is dope.
Does anybody listen to newer garage rock stuff like The Growlers, The allah-las, fidlar, surf curse? Idk if I’d put all those under the same genre, but I want Fin to talk about that scene
wavves early-early stuff is a killer example of this
I love that stuff and I'm always sitting there thinking why doesn't he mention these bands ...
I do! That's called surf-punk or surf-rock
It's the type of the music you hear while shopping for school clothes in 2004 while begging your parents to buy you that GameCube game you really want.
So Mudd jeans, Element tees and Happy Bunny.
My friend circa 2004 who I’d play GameCube for hours with at his house had an older sister who was big into this stuff. So this is a fairly accurate description lol
Is This It, Room on Fire, and White Blood Cells are some of my favorite albums.
Another great vid. I'd love to see a video about the "taste makers" some day.
It was the hipsters killed the beast.
Im in my early 20s and personally really like and miss the Early to Mid 2000s Garage Rock because it’s some of my first memories of enjoying music as a young child.
My parents often had MTV 2 on the Living Room TV and they played the music videos from these songs often. I really liked the music because it was fun and energetic, and also some of the music videos where really cool (I remember really liking the ones from the White Stripes and thought Franz Ferdinand’s Take Me Out was the coolest thing I ever seen)
Honestly I kind wish something like this kind of fun and simple rock and roll would come back
I remember this so well. I remember being late for work one day because The Strokes “Last Night” came in the radio as I was parking and I had to sit and hear it first.
I was a kid during this era and it's when I started getting into music. I really liked nu metal, pop punk, post-grunge, and these garage rock bands. I really appreciate the stripped down rock aesthetic, and a lot of these songs still slap ("Hate To Say I Told You So" is currently my ringtone lol). Even my dad, who didn't like bands like Linkin Park and Green Day, liked Jet and bought their CD and played it in his car all the time, so you're definitely right about it having a wider appeal.
Another legacy of this genre. 7 nation army became a rallying song for the Italian National Team during the 2006 World Cup. And to this day, many soccer teams and fans will chant that song as a rally theme. It’s pretty cool.
Great job on this one. So many points I was shaking my head in agreement with.
🙏🏼
This gives me so much nostalgia. The good old days. Around this time I was in my last years in high school and becoming an adult going into college. I remember when The Strokes came out it was sooo relieving. Like "I don't have to get a ton of piercings or wear baggy clothes to be cool anymore? Great!" and when the White Stripes came out it was like "I could just play in my garage and make a band now." Great moment.
By the way I really admire your video editing, those cuts on commentary shots are really crisp and maintain good fps while capturing the viewers attention,
(I have adhd) lmao
Man the mid 2000s were amazing when it came to music. I remember being 16 and working at GameStop and so much garage rock and punk on GameStop tv.
Great days and great video, thanks.
🚀🚀🚀
I miss seeing multple genres in the mainstream.
Also djing at that time was nice. Good danceable rock all around. Also blog house days.
@@IAMJOHN4EVER agreed! Man that comment hit hard, Interpol, Ludacris, Eminem, Justin Timberlake, the automatic, yeah yeah yeahs etc… playing the same hour are days I miss :’)
The Yeah Yeah Yeahs were bonkers good. One incredible band I really regret not seeing live.
I was loving the garage rock revival because my first big musical love was garage rock from the '60s. Them, the Standells, the Sonics. Huge influence on me. This was in the '80s when "oldies" radio was a thing. I didn't dig my sister's Madonna or what was on MTV, but when "Gloria" or "Dirty Water" came on KRTH in LA, I cranked that shit. It's what prompted me to dig my mom's old Rodeo electric guitar out of the hall closet. First time I heard Jet, I was right back there. Fuckin' good times.
I was in my 30's when this stuff hit & it was a breath of fresh air for an old school rock fan like myself.
I do agree that none of it really broke any new ground, that's probably why I liked so much of it, it was new songs in the style of a lot of the 70's music I grew up loving.
IMO it was the last gasp of rock n roll being a mainstream cultural influence.
Some other great rock n roll bands that were releasing albums & getting some traction at that time were The Donnas, The Mooney Suzuki, The Von Bondies.
Me too. I'd been through post-punk, new wave, metal, goth, thrash metal, grunge, industrial, ambient and britpop then kind of stopped discovering new music after Pulp when nothing really inspired me until Napster came around in 2001 or so and I discovered Sigur Ros, the White Stripes and the Hives. Since then my music buying has never really stopped.
Can't even blame becoming a dad for the break - as my kids weren't born till 98 and 99. The mid 90s were just such a dead period for music.